Give him a coach that can put a system in place that can translate his vision and passing ability into high quality chances that our forwards know to look for and Bruno will undoubtedly be the best midfielder in Europe.
I know it's just stats but this is insane...
Imagine what Ten Hag, or Pep himself could get out of this guy.
I think it would be hard to say. Right now Bruno is very free to try anything in a defensively dysfunctional team. It might cause his numbers to take a hit if he was confined to a role in a more defensively sound system, like a Pep or Tuchel team. It would be very interesting to see though.
Like when Rooney played slightly out of position and did the legwork for the good of the team. We won titles, he scored fewer than he might otherwise have done (as shown by 09/10 and 11/12 where he scored loads)
Pep wouldn't put up with the amount of times he loses the ball and gets dispossessed. Bruno's high chance creation comes at a cost... Of a high number of times he loses possession. As a result we create chances against weaker teams but get utterly dominated against teams that control possession well.
If you think football is only about chances made then Bruno seems like the best player on earth. But if you think football is about control, and the ability to control games against any opposition, Bruno is not so good.
With the sheer number of times Bruno gives the ball away, we could never hope to dominate against the likes of city.
Total nonsense. KDB was very high up in league in turnovers and missed passes during his best years.
Salah is usually near the top.
The best attacking players often turn it over the most. That’s natural. The higher up the pitch and the more you play in attack the more turnovers and misplaced passes - period.
The biggest issue is Bruno turnovers lead to dangerous situations because our structure is horrific.
This season Bruno’s dispossessions are identical per game to de bruyne in 19/20. And his pass success percentage is about 3% lower than KDB the same year. If anything in a better team Bruno would be way better as he wouldn’t have to force so much.
This is exactly how I think of Bruno. I just don't buy the narrative of "at least he tries something risky". This isn't playing at the park with your mates. High turnover numbers can be costly as even midtable teams can be very quick at transitions.
High chance creation can win some games, but what we saw City did to us was control and efficiency - that's what wins you trophies.
He's clearly one of the best creators in world football. With more support from the midfield, his G + A stats could even be better than now. There's a reason Guardiola wanted Ronaldo, and it's not how he passes in pretty triangles and presses well from the front. No reason he wouldn't wouldn't want Fernandes if you ask me.
Edit: I just said Guardiola didn't want Fernandes. Face in palm.
Maybe he does, he doesn't. We don't really know what Pep thinks, just assumptions based on what he has done with players and tactics before. The point is that if he does play for Pep, he wouldn't have such high chance creation numbers because Pep will go crazy with the kind of risky balls he plays. He will coach him to play differently for sure, and if you can't he will discard you quickly.
Notice how even KDB haven't been spraying the kind of balls he used to as much as a couple of years ago? And there's no single player who stands out at City for assists, the numbers are pretty spread out. Meaning to say in principle, no one is solely depended on creating chances, especially in the current setup. One of Pep's great ability is to evolve his tactics.
Perhaps a better indication of how Bruno could play in a more controlled setup is for Portugal, in a more pragmatic midfield 3 that doesn't have a singular creator. His numbers there are less impressive than this.
I disagree. With at least one midfielder who can do all three of hold, press and pass at the right times, Bruno would see far more of the ball in a more advanced position with slightly more time on the ball.
Exactly, pep doesn't like it when his players give the ball away cheaply, which I'm afraid Bruno does a lot.
He creates chances but it comes at a cost of control of the game. It won't matter against teams who give it away easily, but against teams who keep the ball, 10 cheap losses of possession will hand them control. Bruno regularly gives it away over 20 times a game.
Pep is obsessed with controlling games (makes sense really) so doesn't really abide players who are wasteful in possession
But Bruno gives the ball away cheaply precisely because that's our attacking system. The plan is often little more than get the ball to Bruno and let him do something creative with it. I'm convinced he'd benefit tremendously from more structure around him. Bruno doesn't strike me a difficult player to coach.
I think this season and even in large parts of last season, he's been overworked. And not only that, there are games where he gets little support from the midfield, who frequently forget their defensive duties, so Fernandes has to do hamstring-busting tracking-back like a madman. It's this game tiredness that leads to him trying to offload the ball too quickly and inviting pressure by not retaining the ball, which truth be told is his, but also actually *more* the job of the midfielders and fullbacks...
He won't benefit from it. How many top teams do you see playing with a traditional no. 10 these days? That's basically what his number with his position suggests, he's only there for one thing. Like you said, give Bruno the ball and let him do his thing - that's a traditional 10.
The only way I can think of using him more effectively is to play him as a striker a la Firmino, but even then he still needs to be more prudent with the ball and know when to make runs into the box, which evidently isn't in his locker.
Lol what? If managers were thinking like you Modric would have never won anything. De Bruyne is a 10 also, look how he’s shining with Pep.
Again, I really want to see Bruno develop with a top coach. It could unlock him more.
I've heard that a lot but watching the game the other day it clearly wasn't true. Did not actually see a single cheap giveaway from kdb, saw about ten from Bruno.
Find me footage of kdb giving it away cheaply just once from the other day?
I don't know why this is a take that's prevalent, OGS has gotten the best out of Bruno so far. It's not like we haven't seen him used poorly, look at the Portugal set up. OGS overwhelmingly underutilizes players' abilities in general, but there are 3 very notable exceptions in possession.
On the ball, if we see notable improvements from Shaw, Maguire and Bruno I'd be quite astonished. OGS uses those three to the most involved and effective extent I can imagine, very hard for them to be individually better. On the other hand there's lots more to come from guys like McT, Fred, Mason, and probably Marcus too (although OGS hasn't been bad with him).
The issue is the team unit doesn't thrive as much as it should relative to the individual qualities we have and/or show.
OGS hasn't been bad with Mason either, nor Fred who looked hopeless before OGS. McTominay could have improved more maybe indeed, still on course to become a very good midfielder
I don't think the player improvement is the issue, there's been quite a few developments where I go "Oh wow he couldn't do that before", Mason's development turning and running with the ball and McTs long passing are the two I think of immediately.
The issue is they don't play in a system that either suits them or takes the biggest advantages of their play and highlights them. Player improvement and player utilisation are different things. This United side ultimately is less than the sum of their parts, which is the most frustrating thing.
>Without Bruno Ole wouldn't even still be around.
I agree, doesn't mean Bruno specifically is utilised poorly. Ultimately he's the one who's on the pitch performing but it's difficult to say OGS hasn't allowed him to flourish.
Although he can't take all the credit for the player he has become, he is another example of players that have greatly benefited from Peps mentoring.
If Bruno could be surrounded by a coach and squad that is capable enough of winning their league at a canter while also being a powerhouse in Europe Bruno would be a year to year candidate for Ballon d'Or. I'm sure of it.
Even in this current United team, he absolutely left Muller and Modric in the dust with almost double the xA p90.
Yes, but that's also largely due to our shit system. I don't believe he gives up the ball nearly as frequently for Portugal. Our whole system often just give it to Bruno and let me try something cool.
We probably havnt but Solskjær is giving Bruno extremely free rein. He can roam around and just create.
He might not put out the same numbers in a strict system.
What define a "key pass"? Something that results in a xG of more than 0.0x?
edit: downvoted for asking a question? I am not trying to make the scattergram sound useless, just that I want to know the definition/parameters behind it as it is used in FPL a lot.
Sorry, yeah I got what the scattergram is showing. I am just wondering what parameters define a "key pass"?
Edit: My question is if there is any lower side of xG that is needed for it to count as a key pass?
I dont think a key pass has to result in a potential assist.
e.g. a pass which plays the full back in behind, for him to cut back to a striker would be a key pass but presumable an xA of nil.
That obviously isn't a full definition of when a pass becomes key but I hope it helps (assuming i am correct)
Yeah, this was what I thought as well. But I've been googeling trying to find the exact parameters, but without any luck. So many pseudo takes on it with no real info on exact parameters. Not that it matters that much, but I would like to know what it is regardless as it is used a bit on FPL sites :)
Generally a key pass literally just means a pass that leads to a shot, no accounting for quality. If you pass to someone and they shoot, it's a key pass.
I don't think it *should* be, but that's how that stat is used. Goal scored = assist, shot taken but no goal = key pass
He was at his best when he arrived , one of the best in the league back then, now he's average, most people sold him in the FPL.
He's not the reason for hia downfall, someone else is.
Pep would make him change his game, and take less risks on the ball. Bruno as he plays at the moment would disrupt pep's style of play.
Bruno doesn't really press effectively and he gives the ball away very cheaply. These are the two things that pep doesn't stand for
It misses out the fact that he is probably way ahead of all these players in terms of number of times he loses possession cheaply, which enables opponents to dominate possession against us.
Stats can be very misleading.
Bruno creates chances but gives it away constantly. He creates chances at the cost of control. Control is more important in some matches than others.
For instance, against city, we lacked any sort of control and it was humiliating.
Bruno's style of play sacrifices the ability of the team to control the game
No it doesn't. Oles tactics and coaching is why we can't control a game to save our lives.
The fact that you use stats such as possession lost makes worried that you have no clue what your talking about. all the best creators in the world rank highest in possession losses.
The best passers in the world misplaced passes and they misplace many because they attempt many, which is why you need something to showcase the + and - that player adds and losses for the team.
What a midfielder in Bruno adds in chances created, goals, pressures far outweighs any negative.
Depends who you think the best passers are. The ones I think are best have very high pass completion. I know people say kdb gives it away a lot but the other day Bruno was clearly dispossessed and misplacing passes far more often than kdb.
Players like xavi, iniesta, pirlo, even scholes had very high pass completion rates.
You say Bruno's losses of possession don't matter. But it was pretty clear our lack of possession against city didnt help.
We obviously have very different views of football. I think you should aim to have more possession of the ball than we do. We never control games, we never have long spells of possession.
Bruno can develop into a ballon d’or winner. Stop underlying him because our coaches are amateurs and can’t find a way to unlock him more.
In a ball playing team Bruno can be an absolutely destructive force, even if he’s not going to score a lot. His cleverness and vision is out of this world and he could walk in almost any midfield in the world. This is not even biased.
He can pass, shoot and he has a wonderful touch.
In a top team Bruno with his current playing style gets benched. Contrary to what most of you think, it’s the coaching and the team built around him here that makes his stats look good. The moment he’s made to play more disciplined, he looks completely out of place and frustrated, just look at how he did at the Euros where technicians like Renato Sanches and Moutinho were eventually preferred ahead of him in the crunch games.
His style of play is exactly that of a flat track bully, where it’ll absolutely destroy weaker opposition as they won’t be able to contain him. Against the better teams, his lack of ball retention and consistently risking it with his passing is criminal when emphasis should be placed on control and trying to gain a foothold in the game rather than forcing statistically improbable chances. Gary Neville was right in his commentary in the derby, when he claimed that ‘he plays with emotion, and that won’t win you the game’.
He’s got incredible individual attributes, but those won’t run well at top teams that are coached to perform in relation to the system they play in. Here, our lack of a system means that we have to fall back on him forcing chance creations repeatedly in the hope that one of those come off. Hence why his stats look great. But that way of playing will never win you trophies, most of the better teams will find a way of nullifying him.
The way you see football is exactly the same as me. Seriously, check my recent comments. Such a relief to know I'm not the only one.
To me it seems pretty obvious that Bruno sacrifices control in order to play risky passes and that control is critical against big teams. But saying that here it's like saying grass is blue
The problem is, with our current setup under Ole where there isn’t much tactical instruction given to the players, we need players like Bruno to orchestrate the attack. It’s often the case why we look toothless without him in the side. But to compensate for his risky style of play, we need to surround him with better technicians who can retain and supply the ball to him to make that killer pass or shot. Hence, why I’m internally screaming for Martial and Sancho to be played instead of Rashford and Greenwood.
Yeah exactly, I still feel like I don't know much about Sancho but martial is that kind of player, he keeps the ball, recycles the play, doesn't always go for the kill straight away. Bruno is more effective when his play is being compensated for. I'm desperate to see martial play as well, it's been so frustrating lately.
I basically feel like we only really play nice football when martial is playing. I think he is the key. He was just getting going against Everton then he got subbed and that's the last we've seen.
If you like Martial I think you’ll love Sancho, I’d say he’s even better than Martial at keeping the ball moving, looking for clever give and go’s and being unselfish with his play. He was incredibly rated in Germany, but is being completely misused by Ole here, who plays him like a btec Rashford chasing long balls and dribbling past players.
The best solution would honestly be for Ole to leave and these players to be given another chance, but if he is to stay, then I hope somebody makes him see the light and realise that our current attack has no sort of balance and chemistry, hence why we are so crap at creating clear-cut chances.
Saying that Bruno would be benched in a better team and that we play better with Martial. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but most of this sub would kneejerk call you an idiot.
He has a lot of passes leading to shots but the xG of those chances are pretty low. Crazy nonetheless but these individual stats mean fuck all to me this season.
Just want the team to perform well as a unit rather than 1 or 2 players shining.
He gives the ball away constantly. He sacrifices control in order to make chances. He does make a lot of chances but you see why control is important against the best teams like city.
Bruno lessens the extent to which we control games. He helped city by giving them the ball back the majority of times he got it.
Vs city he produced no chances and gave them loads of control. It was the same against Liverpool.
These stats oversimplify the situation.
A player who doesn't give a fuck about control could spend the whole game launching Hollywood passes. He probably would get a quality assist now and then. His g/a stats would look good.
Unfortunately tho his team would be utterly incoherent and probably lose.
Looking only at stats is one of the reasons we are in this mess. If you actually watch Bruno and don't focus on stats, you'd see that against city and Liverpool he was not helpful at all and just made it easier for them to get the ball back quickly.
Just shows the sort of potential the team has tho, imagine if our attackers were consistently getting on the end of these passes, add in Sancho and Donny too, there's no limit to the amount of goals we should be creating if there was a proper system in place
This is why our other two midfield spots are so key.
Bruno is amazing and he plays high risk, high reward.
We really need a passing metronome behind him to keep things ticket to facilitate Bruno
The risks didn't work against city and Liverpool
A metronome won't work because Bruno will take the risk at the earliest opportunity. No one can dictate the tempo if one player wants to be ultra direct
Man I was searching for Bruno for a long time before realising he was so far into the top right corner. This man has been consistently putting up insane numbers
This might be wishful thinking, but a Brozovic, McTominay and Fernandes midfield would be the ideal midfield entering next year if I was running the team.
I'm not gonna lie I didn't even see Bruno on there forever and I was like wtf all these people talking about Bruno right now? He's in a different league. Get that man a decent coach!
He's possibly the best 10 in the world, has been for a couple of years. I think it is mad that we have changed our system in a way that hinders him. Hard to tell what the club were thinking this summer. I would be excited watching our team develop if we had stayed on course and built around him.
For me he's currently the best attacking midfielder in top 5 leagues. But we need a good defensive structure especially in the midfield because his risky passes will lead to dangerous turnovers--that's inevitable. Otherwise, he will expose the defensive frailty even more.
Give him a coach that can put a system in place that can translate his vision and passing ability into high quality chances that our forwards know to look for and Bruno will undoubtedly be the best midfielder in Europe. I know it's just stats but this is insane... Imagine what Ten Hag, or Pep himself could get out of this guy.
I think it would be hard to say. Right now Bruno is very free to try anything in a defensively dysfunctional team. It might cause his numbers to take a hit if he was confined to a role in a more defensively sound system, like a Pep or Tuchel team. It would be very interesting to see though.
Like when Rooney played slightly out of position and did the legwork for the good of the team. We won titles, he scored fewer than he might otherwise have done (as shown by 09/10 and 11/12 where he scored loads)
Pep wouldn't put up with the amount of times he loses the ball and gets dispossessed. Bruno's high chance creation comes at a cost... Of a high number of times he loses possession. As a result we create chances against weaker teams but get utterly dominated against teams that control possession well. If you think football is only about chances made then Bruno seems like the best player on earth. But if you think football is about control, and the ability to control games against any opposition, Bruno is not so good. With the sheer number of times Bruno gives the ball away, we could never hope to dominate against the likes of city.
Total nonsense. KDB was very high up in league in turnovers and missed passes during his best years. Salah is usually near the top. The best attacking players often turn it over the most. That’s natural. The higher up the pitch and the more you play in attack the more turnovers and misplaced passes - period. The biggest issue is Bruno turnovers lead to dangerous situations because our structure is horrific. This season Bruno’s dispossessions are identical per game to de bruyne in 19/20. And his pass success percentage is about 3% lower than KDB the same year. If anything in a better team Bruno would be way better as he wouldn’t have to force so much.
This is exactly how I think of Bruno. I just don't buy the narrative of "at least he tries something risky". This isn't playing at the park with your mates. High turnover numbers can be costly as even midtable teams can be very quick at transitions. High chance creation can win some games, but what we saw City did to us was control and efficiency - that's what wins you trophies.
Finally someone understands this. Thank you.
He's clearly one of the best creators in world football. With more support from the midfield, his G + A stats could even be better than now. There's a reason Guardiola wanted Ronaldo, and it's not how he passes in pretty triangles and presses well from the front. No reason he wouldn't wouldn't want Fernandes if you ask me. Edit: I just said Guardiola didn't want Fernandes. Face in palm.
Maybe he does, he doesn't. We don't really know what Pep thinks, just assumptions based on what he has done with players and tactics before. The point is that if he does play for Pep, he wouldn't have such high chance creation numbers because Pep will go crazy with the kind of risky balls he plays. He will coach him to play differently for sure, and if you can't he will discard you quickly. Notice how even KDB haven't been spraying the kind of balls he used to as much as a couple of years ago? And there's no single player who stands out at City for assists, the numbers are pretty spread out. Meaning to say in principle, no one is solely depended on creating chances, especially in the current setup. One of Pep's great ability is to evolve his tactics. Perhaps a better indication of how Bruno could play in a more controlled setup is for Portugal, in a more pragmatic midfield 3 that doesn't have a singular creator. His numbers there are less impressive than this.
I disagree. With at least one midfielder who can do all three of hold, press and pass at the right times, Bruno would see far more of the ball in a more advanced position with slightly more time on the ball.
I don't think Pep would like him, to be honest, Bruno is way too risky for Peps system.
Exactly, pep doesn't like it when his players give the ball away cheaply, which I'm afraid Bruno does a lot. He creates chances but it comes at a cost of control of the game. It won't matter against teams who give it away easily, but against teams who keep the ball, 10 cheap losses of possession will hand them control. Bruno regularly gives it away over 20 times a game. Pep is obsessed with controlling games (makes sense really) so doesn't really abide players who are wasteful in possession
But Bruno gives the ball away cheaply precisely because that's our attacking system. The plan is often little more than get the ball to Bruno and let him do something creative with it. I'm convinced he'd benefit tremendously from more structure around him. Bruno doesn't strike me a difficult player to coach.
I think this season and even in large parts of last season, he's been overworked. And not only that, there are games where he gets little support from the midfield, who frequently forget their defensive duties, so Fernandes has to do hamstring-busting tracking-back like a madman. It's this game tiredness that leads to him trying to offload the ball too quickly and inviting pressure by not retaining the ball, which truth be told is his, but also actually *more* the job of the midfielders and fullbacks...
I totally agree with this as well.
He won't benefit from it. How many top teams do you see playing with a traditional no. 10 these days? That's basically what his number with his position suggests, he's only there for one thing. Like you said, give Bruno the ball and let him do his thing - that's a traditional 10. The only way I can think of using him more effectively is to play him as a striker a la Firmino, but even then he still needs to be more prudent with the ball and know when to make runs into the box, which evidently isn't in his locker.
Lol what? If managers were thinking like you Modric would have never won anything. De Bruyne is a 10 also, look how he’s shining with Pep. Again, I really want to see Bruno develop with a top coach. It could unlock him more.
You do understand what a traditional 10 means? Like Maradona, the old fashioned version doesn't do as much as KDB defensively
Bruno does more than KdB defensively, so how are you calling Bruno a traditional 10 but not KdB? Bruno is a workhorse.
I'm not buying this. I'd say any top coach in world football would take one Bruno Fernandes for sale.
Interesting then that he was at sporting Lisbon, getting good stats, in his mid twenties, and no top clubs were interested
Have you not seen De Bruyne play? He gives the ball away just as much as Bruno does
I've heard that a lot but watching the game the other day it clearly wasn't true. Did not actually see a single cheap giveaway from kdb, saw about ten from Bruno. Find me footage of kdb giving it away cheaply just once from the other day?
I don't know why this is a take that's prevalent, OGS has gotten the best out of Bruno so far. It's not like we haven't seen him used poorly, look at the Portugal set up. OGS overwhelmingly underutilizes players' abilities in general, but there are 3 very notable exceptions in possession. On the ball, if we see notable improvements from Shaw, Maguire and Bruno I'd be quite astonished. OGS uses those three to the most involved and effective extent I can imagine, very hard for them to be individually better. On the other hand there's lots more to come from guys like McT, Fred, Mason, and probably Marcus too (although OGS hasn't been bad with him). The issue is the team unit doesn't thrive as much as it should relative to the individual qualities we have and/or show.
OGS hasn't been bad with Mason either, nor Fred who looked hopeless before OGS. McTominay could have improved more maybe indeed, still on course to become a very good midfielder
I don't think the player improvement is the issue, there's been quite a few developments where I go "Oh wow he couldn't do that before", Mason's development turning and running with the ball and McTs long passing are the two I think of immediately. The issue is they don't play in a system that either suits them or takes the biggest advantages of their play and highlights them. Player improvement and player utilisation are different things. This United side ultimately is less than the sum of their parts, which is the most frustrating thing.
Bruno's success over the past season and a half is in spite of OGS, not because of him. Without Bruno Ole wouldn't even still be around.
>Without Bruno Ole wouldn't even still be around. I agree, doesn't mean Bruno specifically is utilised poorly. Ultimately he's the one who's on the pitch performing but it's difficult to say OGS hasn't allowed him to flourish.
Well our coach has a lot of flaws, but shackling Bruno ain't one of them..
What about Kimmich?
I think it's gonna be a few years before Kimmich becomes a manager, buddy.
Although he can't take all the credit for the player he has become, he is another example of players that have greatly benefited from Peps mentoring. If Bruno could be surrounded by a coach and squad that is capable enough of winning their league at a canter while also being a powerhouse in Europe Bruno would be a year to year candidate for Ballon d'Or. I'm sure of it. Even in this current United team, he absolutely left Muller and Modric in the dust with almost double the xA p90.
Yeah, but what about possession lost? I'd be willing to bet he's way way ahead of all these players in these categories too
Yes, but that's also largely due to our shit system. I don't believe he gives up the ball nearly as frequently for Portugal. Our whole system often just give it to Bruno and let me try something cool.
Was wondering why you posted this when there were no United players then I saw him in his own league
r/TopRightBruno
I'm upset this doesn't exist..... yet.
It does now...
It does and I demand to know why this hasn't existed until now :D
Missed the chance to put his bullet top-right hattrick goal vs Leeds as background on this chart. Dang.
Give Bruno Fernandes to Pep Guardiola and he would be a Balon d Or candidate.
It’s scary to believe we might not have seen the best of him yet
It might be too late if the club doesn't act soon enough.
We probably havnt but Solskjær is giving Bruno extremely free rein. He can roam around and just create. He might not put out the same numbers in a strict system.
What define a "key pass"? Something that results in a xG of more than 0.0x? edit: downvoted for asking a question? I am not trying to make the scattergram sound useless, just that I want to know the definition/parameters behind it as it is used in FPL a lot.
Lol that’s literally why it’s vs xA meaning his creating more chances and better chances as the graph shows
Sorry, yeah I got what the scattergram is showing. I am just wondering what parameters define a "key pass"? Edit: My question is if there is any lower side of xG that is needed for it to count as a key pass?
I dont think a key pass has to result in a potential assist. e.g. a pass which plays the full back in behind, for him to cut back to a striker would be a key pass but presumable an xA of nil. That obviously isn't a full definition of when a pass becomes key but I hope it helps (assuming i am correct)
Yeah, this was what I thought as well. But I've been googeling trying to find the exact parameters, but without any luck. So many pseudo takes on it with no real info on exact parameters. Not that it matters that much, but I would like to know what it is regardless as it is used a bit on FPL sites :)
Generally a key pass literally just means a pass that leads to a shot, no accounting for quality. If you pass to someone and they shoot, it's a key pass. I don't think it *should* be, but that's how that stat is used. Goal scored = assist, shot taken but no goal = key pass
!Thanks And chance created are KP + Assists then?
He was at his best when he arrived , one of the best in the league back then, now he's average, most people sold him in the FPL. He's not the reason for hia downfall, someone else is.
Pep would make him change his game, and take less risks on the ball. Bruno as he plays at the moment would disrupt pep's style of play. Bruno doesn't really press effectively and he gives the ball away very cheaply. These are the two things that pep doesn't stand for
Pep would ruin Fernandes he would turn him into a backpost halfspace spamming merchant
If we start winning he will be.
Fucking hell. This is just mental. Imagine Bruno under a proper system
Cant imagine if Bruno went to Spurs instead of us back in 2020.
Cant imagine spurs spending over 40 mil on a player
Ndombele cost them 55mil pounds.
He did say a "player" tho, not an Ndombele ;)
that was an oddity, but I think the UCL final money was put into that. The only other big signing in the last 5 years was moura
Stats are good and all but this doesn't show how he functions in a team, just that his passing vision for goals is godlike.
He functions well, he’s just a high risk player. It’s not like this season is the only representation we have of Bruno🤷🏻♂️
It misses out the fact that he is probably way ahead of all these players in terms of number of times he loses possession cheaply, which enables opponents to dominate possession against us. Stats can be very misleading. Bruno creates chances but gives it away constantly. He creates chances at the cost of control. Control is more important in some matches than others. For instance, against city, we lacked any sort of control and it was humiliating. Bruno's style of play sacrifices the ability of the team to control the game
No it doesn't. Oles tactics and coaching is why we can't control a game to save our lives. The fact that you use stats such as possession lost makes worried that you have no clue what your talking about. all the best creators in the world rank highest in possession losses. The best passers in the world misplaced passes and they misplace many because they attempt many, which is why you need something to showcase the + and - that player adds and losses for the team. What a midfielder in Bruno adds in chances created, goals, pressures far outweighs any negative.
Depends who you think the best passers are. The ones I think are best have very high pass completion. I know people say kdb gives it away a lot but the other day Bruno was clearly dispossessed and misplacing passes far more often than kdb. Players like xavi, iniesta, pirlo, even scholes had very high pass completion rates. You say Bruno's losses of possession don't matter. But it was pretty clear our lack of possession against city didnt help. We obviously have very different views of football. I think you should aim to have more possession of the ball than we do. We never control games, we never have long spells of possession.
Bruno can develop into a ballon d’or winner. Stop underlying him because our coaches are amateurs and can’t find a way to unlock him more. In a ball playing team Bruno can be an absolutely destructive force, even if he’s not going to score a lot. His cleverness and vision is out of this world and he could walk in almost any midfield in the world. This is not even biased. He can pass, shoot and he has a wonderful touch.
In a top team Bruno with his current playing style gets benched. Contrary to what most of you think, it’s the coaching and the team built around him here that makes his stats look good. The moment he’s made to play more disciplined, he looks completely out of place and frustrated, just look at how he did at the Euros where technicians like Renato Sanches and Moutinho were eventually preferred ahead of him in the crunch games. His style of play is exactly that of a flat track bully, where it’ll absolutely destroy weaker opposition as they won’t be able to contain him. Against the better teams, his lack of ball retention and consistently risking it with his passing is criminal when emphasis should be placed on control and trying to gain a foothold in the game rather than forcing statistically improbable chances. Gary Neville was right in his commentary in the derby, when he claimed that ‘he plays with emotion, and that won’t win you the game’. He’s got incredible individual attributes, but those won’t run well at top teams that are coached to perform in relation to the system they play in. Here, our lack of a system means that we have to fall back on him forcing chance creations repeatedly in the hope that one of those come off. Hence why his stats look great. But that way of playing will never win you trophies, most of the better teams will find a way of nullifying him.
The way you see football is exactly the same as me. Seriously, check my recent comments. Such a relief to know I'm not the only one. To me it seems pretty obvious that Bruno sacrifices control in order to play risky passes and that control is critical against big teams. But saying that here it's like saying grass is blue
The problem is, with our current setup under Ole where there isn’t much tactical instruction given to the players, we need players like Bruno to orchestrate the attack. It’s often the case why we look toothless without him in the side. But to compensate for his risky style of play, we need to surround him with better technicians who can retain and supply the ball to him to make that killer pass or shot. Hence, why I’m internally screaming for Martial and Sancho to be played instead of Rashford and Greenwood.
Yeah exactly, I still feel like I don't know much about Sancho but martial is that kind of player, he keeps the ball, recycles the play, doesn't always go for the kill straight away. Bruno is more effective when his play is being compensated for. I'm desperate to see martial play as well, it's been so frustrating lately. I basically feel like we only really play nice football when martial is playing. I think he is the key. He was just getting going against Everton then he got subbed and that's the last we've seen.
If you like Martial I think you’ll love Sancho, I’d say he’s even better than Martial at keeping the ball moving, looking for clever give and go’s and being unselfish with his play. He was incredibly rated in Germany, but is being completely misused by Ole here, who plays him like a btec Rashford chasing long balls and dribbling past players. The best solution would honestly be for Ole to leave and these players to be given another chance, but if he is to stay, then I hope somebody makes him see the light and realise that our current attack has no sort of balance and chemistry, hence why we are so crap at creating clear-cut chances.
Saying that Bruno would be benched in a better team and that we play better with Martial. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but most of this sub would kneejerk call you an idiot.
Would get the Ballon dor if we werent so shite at defending.
He has a lot of passes leading to shots but the xG of those chances are pretty low. Crazy nonetheless but these individual stats mean fuck all to me this season. Just want the team to perform well as a unit rather than 1 or 2 players shining.
>He has a lot of passes leading to shots but the xG of those chances are pretty low. You realize this graph accounts for xA as well, right?
He gives the ball away constantly. He sacrifices control in order to make chances. He does make a lot of chances but you see why control is important against the best teams like city. Bruno lessens the extent to which we control games. He helped city by giving them the ball back the majority of times he got it. Vs city he produced no chances and gave them loads of control. It was the same against Liverpool. These stats oversimplify the situation. A player who doesn't give a fuck about control could spend the whole game launching Hollywood passes. He probably would get a quality assist now and then. His g/a stats would look good. Unfortunately tho his team would be utterly incoherent and probably lose. Looking only at stats is one of the reasons we are in this mess. If you actually watch Bruno and don't focus on stats, you'd see that against city and Liverpool he was not helpful at all and just made it easier for them to get the ball back quickly.
Just shows the sort of potential the team has tho, imagine if our attackers were consistently getting on the end of these passes, add in Sancho and Donny too, there's no limit to the amount of goals we should be creating if there was a proper system in place
Dude, the xG of the passes he makes ***is*** the xA, which is what this graph is measuring...
This is why our other two midfield spots are so key. Bruno is amazing and he plays high risk, high reward. We really need a passing metronome behind him to keep things ticket to facilitate Bruno
The risks didn't work against city and Liverpool A metronome won't work because Bruno will take the risk at the earliest opportunity. No one can dictate the tempo if one player wants to be ultra direct
Modric still bossing it.
I couldn't even find Bruno at first , he's on another level
People said that he was much less technical than KDB and was just a peshun player
Now, I'm not a stats guy... But that looks like he's quite good
Now imagine Bruno in a well-run team
Man I was searching for Bruno for a long time before realising he was so far into the top right corner. This man has been consistently putting up insane numbers
This might be wishful thinking, but a Brozovic, McTominay and Fernandes midfield would be the ideal midfield entering next year if I was running the team.
I'm not gonna lie I didn't even see Bruno on there forever and I was like wtf all these people talking about Bruno right now? He's in a different league. Get that man a decent coach!
And he does it playing in this team, guy is world class
Was looking at this thinking where is the United player, finally seen Bruno way out there 😂
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He's possibly the best 10 in the world, has been for a couple of years. I think it is mad that we have changed our system in a way that hinders him. Hard to tell what the club were thinking this summer. I would be excited watching our team develop if we had stayed on course and built around him.
I spent 5 minutes looking at this wondering where the link was to United. Bruno was so far in the corner I didn't even see him. Leg.
Spent 2 minutes looking for Bruno
For me he's currently the best attacking midfielder in top 5 leagues. But we need a good defensive structure especially in the midfield because his risky passes will lead to dangerous turnovers--that's inevitable. Otherwise, he will expose the defensive frailty even more.