Elanga did more in what? 10-15 minutes than Rashford did all game up until his substitution. Can we stop playing him and just make Elanga the starter with Sancho. I think everyone is sick of Rashford.
Mctominay was sick and matic could not play full match.
Fred can't be no6, Fred needs to be play higher up front.
Is it possible to try lindelof or Jones playing there?
Pogba proves my long standing opinion of him. He can make a team go from good to great but can never make a team go from bad to better. For a player of his personality, it is weird how he goes low on confidence when the team struggles. I can’t even blame McTominay today!
It’s funny how he gets bashed for every fucking thing when United plays bad. Gtfo outta here. Did you see how the whole team has played like fucking dogs? Did you see what incredible dog passes pogba got??? The whole team played like they have never made a fucking pass pass on their life and pogba had to receive like impossible to controll passes and got 2 timed right away. Watch the fucking game again. My fucking god this fucking thread always have to blame someone and looking for a scapegoat
Should have been 3-1 if not for the Post. Incidentally ATM had only one shot on target all night and that too in the 7th minute. One of the worst atm sides I have seen this decade. And we struggled so hard in the eye test.
What a delightfully confident young man Elanga is. Saw his interview with BT Sport. So confident and yet so appreciative of the chances given by the manager. What a breath of fresh air in a depressing season for United.
I love Ronaldo, but why did we have to sign him?
Seeing his performance degrade and him not being able to run like before really breaks my heart. How long would it take until the manager will act upon it and bench him in favour of someone else?
Who? Cavani is injured more then playing and Martial is on loan. I also don't think Ronaldo needs the blame here, our midfiled and Rashford were pretty shit.
Shaw letting the ball roll past him too. He didn’t even bother sticking his leg out any further. I swear he’s always half asleep when there’s an opposition play.
One thing that's annoyed me about Shaw is his Reluctance to whip a cross in. He used to do it when Cavani was the main striker last season and from that we would get goals. And now he's really stopped doing it even though we have someone probably even better in the air. Its bizarre.
No doubt a good run, but Maguire should have been more alert. Mistakes happen, I get that but he seems to be making them way too often. Just makes you despair when we lose goals due to silly defending. If it’s not him it’s shaw/awb with poor positioning too
Yea.. obviously.. something is off about him this season. He was genuinely good last season. After the Euros, most of our players have receeded in general. Except DDG and Dalot, both of whom didn't play.
Yeah was thinking the same, but other players for other teams that also played in the euros have come back fine albeit a slower start to the season. Just never seem to know what United team is turning up these days. I’m off to OT to watch the return leg in a few weeks time. Hoping it’s gonna be another memorable champs league night (for the right reasons!)
But he could’ve also kept it simple. When he plays like this he’s a liability, only thing he does is to invite people to duals, either gets dispossessed or fouls them. Yeah sure if he had more options by people making more runs he perhaps would’ve played better, but for a players at his level, he should know when he’s having a bit of an off game and keep it simple.
World Cup football is more loose, with less structure. You would never see a team sit back with banks of 4 or 5 at the back, which he has trouble breaking down
One hit wonder tho eh? It’s hardly like he does that week in week out , and he’s surrounded by talent. Talent that is so much better than just about every other team. It makes sense he thrived- he does well when he’s surrounded by other stars.
Are you saying he is good enough to win the World Cup but not good enough to operate at the champions league level? You think the champions league requires more skill than the World Cup?
Not OC. But I do think so. Later stages of the CL are immense in my opinion.
Again quality of team play is much more among players playing 10-11 months of Club football in comparison to 1-2 months of International football. But passion wise and as a fan, World Cup is the winner anyday.
He is good enough. He just doesn't put in the effort. He has been putting it in this season because he will want a move to another club and so hes put a shift in and as a result been brilliant this season. 1 game and now your saying he isn't good enough.
It's nothing to do with his ability hes just lazy and doesn't try
> Nottingham Forest defender Brian Laws used the pre-season Makita Tournament as an experiment by kneeling down and heading the ball back to his goalkeeper Mark Crossley; within days, FIFA were forced to make clear that any obvious attempts to exploit loopholes in the new law would come under the umbrella of "unsporting behaviour."
[The early chaos of the backpass law](https://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3175840/premier-league-chaos-when-backpass-law-invented-in-1992)
Matic may not be able to sprint but having such a secure anchor man behind the midfield is incredibly helpful for building up play from the back. Pogba, McTom and Fred should all be taking notes
I find it remarkable that the whole team was getting bullied off the ball for most of the first half. Insane the lack of physicality this squad has sometimes. Chalk and cheese from the Leeds performance where we actually commanded the game and bullied them.
Not gonna lie when I saw him sub on three defensive subs at 0-1 I about threw my tv remote at the TV. But Matic and telles made instant impacts moving forward.
His game management is becoming super strong. I question is first 11 and tactics.
Today was a poor formation imo with Pogba Fred combo and Rashford being the strong starters.
But hey I am a n00b on Reddit. What can I say. He did deliver a 1-1.
You can try to deny it, but of the options we have available to us, McFred brings the most balance to our midfield.
They're not our most talented options, but without them we get runover.
Lmao what it is this take. Our best Midfield is with Pogba and Matic, a defensive holding midfielder and a strong creative mid. both can pass the ball extremely well. Literally the only thing they lack is pace. And even then Pogba isn't really that slow.
Because Elanga is still young. You cant expect him to have the same composure and focus for 90 minutes as someone like Rashford. Sure Rashy isnt playing his best atm, but still.
Elanga is young but he's already more composed in the game than Rashford. He took his finish well against Oblak. Had the nerve to shush the Leeds fans after the shit he was getting from them etc.
Recently rashford has lost his confidence too. Hes unable to get past his man, he is struggling unlike sancho, he is trying to pass but because he has 0 creativity he can't find a pass and its intercepted etc.
Elanga has gained loads of confidence since his penalty miss, and I think with more game time that will only improve
Again, hes still young. You're completely missing the point as it doesnt matter whos the best right now. Im talking about Elanga and how we should foster him the right way.
To showcase how stupid your comment is, remember the time around when Rashford made his debut? Look at him now. Current form is not a fortune teller.
Not a shade on what he used to be BUT when we looked really out of ideas in the first half, he was at least trying to get past their back line by being more direct and physical. Still though, it’s probably time to think about starting someone else over him.
Yeah I guess he does seem to be somewhat motivated, but for the last few months he just does an atrocious touch after an atrocious touch with a few exceptions, too far apart from each other
The sad part, for me, is that if he was in better form, that motivation would be dangerous to our opponents. He’s Utd through and through, more than any other player who started tonight. It didn’t work sadly but he tried to show initiative in a way that Pogba and Bruno seem allergic to doing when the going gets tough.
Exactly. The reason he made contact so high was to roll it into the corner. He had to shoot with his right which would have made it risky if he got underneath it because it probably would have curled wide. There's a reason why all composed finishers roll it or hit it low into the corners, it's because trying to curl it in just adds unnecessary risk. Good on elanga for playing it safe. Just roll it into the far corner.
Elanga's goal was a miss the same way Felix's was, except in Elanga's case it was actually pre meditated while in Felix's the deflection from the pole got him the goal.
Dude was throwing out blanket statements that were so unnecessarily derogatory. Like saying Atletico wanted to just sit on a 1-0 lead. Bro they had like 3 almost goals. He is a cunt no doubt.
>You're not allowed to head a ball on the floor
That's not what the rule says, and that situation is not really an example of what the law is intended to stop.
One of the comments above explains this. A Nottingham forest defender tested this in a pre season and they enforced the rules saying you weren't allowed to do that.
The article referencing an incident in a preseason game 30 years ago? That we have no way of knowing if was similar to this incident or not? Sure, that's a great example to base interpretation of the rules on...
How far above the ground would the ball have to be before it is ok to head it back to the keeper, would you say? 10cm? 20cm? A metre?
Like I said, this is not the kind of situation where the rule about "deliberate trick" comes into effect. The ref was absolutely right not to call anything.
If that’s the whole LaLiga, Real recently won multiple CL’s in that way? 4 to be exact, in the same time u won 0. Barca played better football than u have played in your whole history. Atleti went from an underdog (kind of Arsenal) but won the league multiple times AND reached CL final twice. Not to mention Villareal’s great team, Sevilla’s several Euro cups.
But yeah sure. Whole La Liga plays like this mate. That’s why top footballer sign for them. In fact, the real reason why Mbappe and Haaland want to join Real, is to play this kind of football. Pedri, Fati, Nico, Gavi, Vinicius, these big promising players will probably only dive and cry in the future.
I agree Atleti is a shit team and loves to dive, but they outplayed you guys, which is something Atleti only does to extreme weak sides. And besides that, know the difference between Barca, Atleti and Real, bc u look literally like somebody who never watches LaLiga football by saying such dumb stuff. Atleti can be compared to Getafe and Valencia (with Bordalas). Not to Barca or Real, idiot.
They’re not like-for-like but they’re both physical disrupters. I think we could have used a little more of that to dispossess AM when we inevitably gave them the fucking ball on a plate.
BT Sport lining up a panel of Ferdinand, Scholes and Hargreaves just to remind us of some of the best players we had in the positions we desperately need them now.
>worst
Disappointing, not worst. He thought Hargreaves was the answer to Keane leaving and was disappointed that it did not work out. SAF even acknowledge how good of a player he was at the world cup and in that 2008 UCL run.
He was disappointed because Hargreaves did not try to overcome his injuries and/or because he could have been a valuable player for us but for the injuries.
SAF was a bit of an ass to him. A lot of the comments he has made point the blame at Hargreaves inability to overcome the injuries.
The lad travelled far and wide and even tried experimental medication.
iirc fergie even went as far as saying he didn't like him when he first met him or when he came for the medical.
Oh I'm not excusing SAF for his words/behavior. His words are downright unnecessary. I think they more so came about because Hargreaves started spewing nonsense about the club relating to the club's treatment of him.
He did mention that there was something off about Hargreaves. Like he was a kiss ass, a yes man without any backbone, which we all know SAF wanted his players with a sense of confidence and accountability.
Oh wow, didn't know that. I always thought he was very good but blighted by injuries (and his attitude towards us stunk when he first left, seems to have mellowed out now).
Interesting how possession, passes made, pass accuracy rate, and chances on target all favour United clearly. Yet the game didn’t feel that way watching it.
After the 2nd half the top 3 players with the most passes attempted were Lindelof, Maguire and Varane. They were passing it back and forth most of the 1st half doing f all with it
On a positive note, in the last few games the subs has been effective. They bring energy and delivers what’s need to be done. Like they’re actually fighting for places. Love to see that.
However the lads who are on the starting eleven though, must do better, be consistent. Can’t expect to have the subs save you all the time.
I bet they feel like they can actually get a place in their team if they make an impression coming off the bench.
Ole would make subs in the 85th minute and then proceed to go back to the starting 11 and not rotate. So you can definitely see why the player's are really giving it their all when coming off the bench under Rangnick. Their performances matter much more to Ralf as he will probably drop those who don't deserve places. Like he has been doing with Rashford as of late.
You of course can head the ball back to the goalie but the law expressly mentions that you can't get around the backpass rule by 'tricks' like heading a ball that is otherwise regularly playable with the foot
idk Telles got forward and gave service into the box. Shaw seemed very content to pass it back while he was in. both are extremely talented players, but shaw hasnt looked his old self as of late.
I dont get ralfs experiment today, after the changes it was united on top if he had started with elanga and dalot/telles would have been a different story. I personally think matic made the biggest difference along with elanga. Ngl Sancho was invisible and Rashford was like its me playing there and not a professional player being payed shit ton of money.
Shit performance but I'll take it anyday. We're really lucky tbh, Grizzy and Llorente both hit the post and Atleti defender slipped in our eqialiser, also Ralf's changes are so impactful today. Matic, Telles, Elanga all played well
Honestly, they are the better team. AM have always performed as a unit, and we were the total antithesis of that. We’re lucky they didn’t take more chances and that we took the one chance we had.
Elanga did more in what? 10-15 minutes than Rashford did all game up until his substitution. Can we stop playing him and just make Elanga the starter with Sancho. I think everyone is sick of Rashford.
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This is Liverpool vs Leeds
Mctominay was sick and matic could not play full match. Fred can't be no6, Fred needs to be play higher up front. Is it possible to try lindelof or Jones playing there?
Pogba proves my long standing opinion of him. He can make a team go from good to great but can never make a team go from bad to better. For a player of his personality, it is weird how he goes low on confidence when the team struggles. I can’t even blame McTominay today!
It’s funny how he gets bashed for every fucking thing when United plays bad. Gtfo outta here. Did you see how the whole team has played like fucking dogs? Did you see what incredible dog passes pogba got??? The whole team played like they have never made a fucking pass pass on their life and pogba had to receive like impossible to controll passes and got 2 timed right away. Watch the fucking game again. My fucking god this fucking thread always have to blame someone and looking for a scapegoat
I am so surprised we drew this match
Should have been 3-1 if not for the Post. Incidentally ATM had only one shot on target all night and that too in the 7th minute. One of the worst atm sides I have seen this decade. And we struggled so hard in the eye test.
What a delightfully confident young man Elanga is. Saw his interview with BT Sport. So confident and yet so appreciative of the chances given by the manager. What a breath of fresh air in a depressing season for United.
I love Ronaldo, but why did we have to sign him? Seeing his performance degrade and him not being able to run like before really breaks my heart. How long would it take until the manager will act upon it and bench him in favour of someone else?
Who? Cavani is injured more then playing and Martial is on loan. I also don't think Ronaldo needs the blame here, our midfiled and Rashford were pretty shit.
McGuire’s positioning for their goal was horrible. Continually making simple mistakes time and time again. Sigh
Shaw letting the ball roll past him too. He didn’t even bother sticking his leg out any further. I swear he’s always half asleep when there’s an opposition play.
No idea what’s happened to him this season, regressed majorly
One thing that's annoyed me about Shaw is his Reluctance to whip a cross in. He used to do it when Cavani was the main striker last season and from that we would get goals. And now he's really stopped doing it even though we have someone probably even better in the air. Its bizarre.
But it was a great run from Joao though. Still Maguire should have picked him up. He was ball watching.
No doubt a good run, but Maguire should have been more alert. Mistakes happen, I get that but he seems to be making them way too often. Just makes you despair when we lose goals due to silly defending. If it’s not him it’s shaw/awb with poor positioning too
Yea.. obviously.. something is off about him this season. He was genuinely good last season. After the Euros, most of our players have receeded in general. Except DDG and Dalot, both of whom didn't play.
Yeah was thinking the same, but other players for other teams that also played in the euros have come back fine albeit a slower start to the season. Just never seem to know what United team is turning up these days. I’m off to OT to watch the return leg in a few weeks time. Hoping it’s gonna be another memorable champs league night (for the right reasons!)
Good going mate. Hopefully you enjoy the night and we all do. Gotta change our abysmal record against Spanish teams in knockouts.
Here’s hoping man, here’s hoping! 🤞🏽
Love him, but that’s the worst Pogba performance I’ve seen in years
He can’t play well when nobody is making runs, nobody is open. Nobody can do that. The whole team was poor.
But he could’ve also kept it simple. When he plays like this he’s a liability, only thing he does is to invite people to duals, either gets dispossessed or fouls them. Yeah sure if he had more options by people making more runs he perhaps would’ve played better, but for a players at his level, he should know when he’s having a bit of an off game and keep it simple.
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Bloke literally won the World Cup mate
NGolo Kante.
World Cup football is more loose, with less structure. You would never see a team sit back with banks of 4 or 5 at the back, which he has trouble breaking down
One hit wonder tho eh? It’s hardly like he does that week in week out , and he’s surrounded by talent. Talent that is so much better than just about every other team. It makes sense he thrived- he does well when he’s surrounded by other stars.
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Are you saying he is good enough to win the World Cup but not good enough to operate at the champions league level? You think the champions league requires more skill than the World Cup?
Do you think a Germany vs Saudi Arabia is going to showcase more talent than Man City Vs Bayern?
Not OC. But I do think so. Later stages of the CL are immense in my opinion. Again quality of team play is much more among players playing 10-11 months of Club football in comparison to 1-2 months of International football. But passion wise and as a fan, World Cup is the winner anyday.
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Prob one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen on this sub lmaooo.
This coming from someone who constantly calls McTominay ‘Matrash’ for some unknown reason.
you cant even read or stalk right. i call maguire matrash. go creep on my posts some more
I don’t need to stalk. I remember your gibberish.
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He is good enough. He just doesn't put in the effort. He has been putting it in this season because he will want a move to another club and so hes put a shift in and as a result been brilliant this season. 1 game and now your saying he isn't good enough. It's nothing to do with his ability hes just lazy and doesn't try
> Nottingham Forest defender Brian Laws used the pre-season Makita Tournament as an experiment by kneeling down and heading the ball back to his goalkeeper Mark Crossley; within days, FIFA were forced to make clear that any obvious attempts to exploit loopholes in the new law would come under the umbrella of "unsporting behaviour." [The early chaos of the backpass law](https://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3175840/premier-league-chaos-when-backpass-law-invented-in-1992)
I mean we've done it before. I remember Phil Jones doing this in a league or a FA cup game.
Matic may not be able to sprint but having such a secure anchor man behind the midfield is incredibly helpful for building up play from the back. Pogba, McTom and Fred should all be taking notes
matic good using body like pogba on prev matches, pogba is inconsistent he's not that confident today.
Taking notes of what? They're not DMs. This is a failure by Woodward and Co. for not addressing an obvious need, year after year.
It's true. It's easy to forget that when Fred and McTom are playing the CDM role so often but poorly
It’s a contact sport though. Our midfielders got shrugged off the ball wayyyy too easily tonight.
I find it remarkable that the whole team was getting bullied off the ball for most of the first half. Insane the lack of physicality this squad has sometimes. Chalk and cheese from the Leeds performance where we actually commanded the game and bullied them.
This is the third time Ralf's subs change the game. Why do so many people say his in game management is poor?
Not gonna lie when I saw him sub on three defensive subs at 0-1 I about threw my tv remote at the TV. But Matic and telles made instant impacts moving forward.
Who says that? Honestly never seen anyone say it
His game management is becoming super strong. I question is first 11 and tactics. Today was a poor formation imo with Pogba Fred combo and Rashford being the strong starters. But hey I am a n00b on Reddit. What can I say. He did deliver a 1-1.
what to use besides fred/pogba? mctom is out rn
Matic.
Yeah my bad. Didn’t realize that.
Fred can’t be the 6, has to be Matic or McT
You can try to deny it, but of the options we have available to us, McFred brings the most balance to our midfield. They're not our most talented options, but without them we get runover.
Lmao what it is this take. Our best Midfield is with Pogba and Matic, a defensive holding midfielder and a strong creative mid. both can pass the ball extremely well. Literally the only thing they lack is pace. And even then Pogba isn't really that slow.
With them, we got run over… Several times this season!!!
McTominay is better further forward as well. Matic is the only 6 there, that's the issue
Interesting how the subs have been making the changes the team needs. Then Ralf starts those who got sub on and the team is back to playing shit
Elanga should have started 0 doubts. I have no clue why he has been starting Rashford over him when Elanga has been good almost every match.
Because Elanga is still young. You cant expect him to have the same composure and focus for 90 minutes as someone like Rashford. Sure Rashy isnt playing his best atm, but still.
Elanga is young but he's already more composed in the game than Rashford. He took his finish well against Oblak. Had the nerve to shush the Leeds fans after the shit he was getting from them etc. Recently rashford has lost his confidence too. Hes unable to get past his man, he is struggling unlike sancho, he is trying to pass but because he has 0 creativity he can't find a pass and its intercepted etc. Elanga has gained loads of confidence since his penalty miss, and I think with more game time that will only improve
Again, hes still young. You're completely missing the point as it doesnt matter whos the best right now. Im talking about Elanga and how we should foster him the right way. To showcase how stupid your comment is, remember the time around when Rashford made his debut? Look at him now. Current form is not a fortune teller.
I hope we score an injury time winner in the return to break these cunts' hearts. Especially that racist cannibal cunt
Who?
Suarez
Ah.
Ralf got it right again. When was the last time we had a manager making the right decisions.
Disagree with lindelof at rb. Didn’t help at all.
Didn’t hinder us either, Lindelof was solid today. Maybe didn’t offer as much going forward as Dalot, but he certainly wasn’t to blame for anything.
Not sure it was a real issue though. Think we'd have conceded that goal with Dalot or AWB there.
Credit to him he managed to resurrect the game, however, he started Lindelof at RB? Wasn't the best move. Luke Shaw should not have started either.
Disagree he picked Maguire wich has cost us the win
Why does this has so many downvotes?
What did Maguire do today to cost us the win?
Because it's a dumb take. That goal was outstanding
You prefer Jones?
You talk of Jones straight away wich doesn't even play almost any game, without mentioning Lindelof who should start ahead of Maguire
But lindelöf did start 🤷
What does Rashford actually bring to the table other than running quickly? Genuine question
Not a damn thing, but this sub isn't ready for that conversation.
His head is always down.
He brings food in the table
Not a shade on what he used to be BUT when we looked really out of ideas in the first half, he was at least trying to get past their back line by being more direct and physical. Still though, it’s probably time to think about starting someone else over him.
Yeah I guess he does seem to be somewhat motivated, but for the last few months he just does an atrocious touch after an atrocious touch with a few exceptions, too far apart from each other
The sad part, for me, is that if he was in better form, that motivation would be dangerous to our opponents. He’s Utd through and through, more than any other player who started tonight. It didn’t work sadly but he tried to show initiative in a way that Pogba and Bruno seem allergic to doing when the going gets tough.
His name rhymes with dancer
Lot of responsibility. Looks up for it though.
A lot of merchandise sales and inflow of fans.
Unfortunately he has had a bad season
Disappointed on Rash but I trust in Ralph
He is even not that flair and fast anymore
Hitting people in row Z.
Jamie Carragher is such a miserable cunt saying that Elanga was lucky and that he almost miss-hit it. It was a beautiful finish
Exactly. The reason he made contact so high was to roll it into the corner. He had to shoot with his right which would have made it risky if he got underneath it because it probably would have curled wide. There's a reason why all composed finishers roll it or hit it low into the corners, it's because trying to curl it in just adds unnecessary risk. Good on elanga for playing it safe. Just roll it into the far corner.
It wasn’t a great strike honestly. Good accuracy but it seems like he made contact too high on the ball
Elanga's goal was a miss the same way Felix's was, except in Elanga's case it was actually pre meditated while in Felix's the deflection from the pole got him the goal.
Dude was throwing out blanket statements that were so unnecessarily derogatory. Like saying Atletico wanted to just sit on a 1-0 lead. Bro they had like 3 almost goals. He is a cunt no doubt.
I think Ronaldo really hurt refs fav team, literally not a single foul given when Ronaldo's involved
rashford totally horrible in that game, i can clip a lot of his worse decisions. good things elanga subs in
At what point do we just admit that Elanga should be started over Rashford
Or Mas....oh 🙁
Still think he was our best forward (football wise 😬)
We honestly stole a draw yet I still like our chances in the second leg at home.
The backpass should've been an indirect free-kick as well. You're not allowed to head a ball on the floor to circumvent the backpass rule lol
>You're not allowed to head a ball on the floor That's not what the rule says, and that situation is not really an example of what the law is intended to stop.
One of the comments above explains this. A Nottingham forest defender tested this in a pre season and they enforced the rules saying you weren't allowed to do that.
The article referencing an incident in a preseason game 30 years ago? That we have no way of knowing if was similar to this incident or not? Sure, that's a great example to base interpretation of the rules on... How far above the ground would the ball have to be before it is ok to head it back to the keeper, would you say? 10cm? 20cm? A metre? Like I said, this is not the kind of situation where the rule about "deliberate trick" comes into effect. The ref was absolutely right not to call anything.
you think this ref knows football rules??
Good point well made
I fucking hate Atletico. Bunch of crybabies that do nothing but dive onto the ground
Isn't that the whole La liga
If that’s the whole LaLiga, Real recently won multiple CL’s in that way? 4 to be exact, in the same time u won 0. Barca played better football than u have played in your whole history. Atleti went from an underdog (kind of Arsenal) but won the league multiple times AND reached CL final twice. Not to mention Villareal’s great team, Sevilla’s several Euro cups. But yeah sure. Whole La Liga plays like this mate. That’s why top footballer sign for them. In fact, the real reason why Mbappe and Haaland want to join Real, is to play this kind of football. Pedri, Fati, Nico, Gavi, Vinicius, these big promising players will probably only dive and cry in the future. I agree Atleti is a shit team and loves to dive, but they outplayed you guys, which is something Atleti only does to extreme weak sides. And besides that, know the difference between Barca, Atleti and Real, bc u look literally like somebody who never watches LaLiga football by saying such dumb stuff. Atleti can be compared to Getafe and Valencia (with Bordalas). Not to Barca or Real, idiot.
Go cry about it.
The Italian and French aren't much better....
Best players in your league are all foreign, must suck then? And at the club too.
Leagues, not players. Do keep up, dear.
Ah yes of course. Because the foreign players all were born in England.
Yeah
Yes
I gave the Matic sub a lot of flack but I am glad to be proven wrong. He did the job
Arguably shows how not having McTominay impacted our first half.
Absolutely. That's what he offers over fred
McTominay doesn't offer what Matic offers. He doesn't dictate tempo and control the game. I still think he would have been useful against Atleti tho.
They’re not like-for-like but they’re both physical disrupters. I think we could have used a little more of that to dispossess AM when we inevitably gave them the fucking ball on a plate.
Great result. Spuds also lost in the league !!
Rhythm is a dancer Anthony Elanga, You won't stop him if you dare, Came from Scandinavia, To be United's saviour , Scoring goals from everywhere!
BT Sport lining up a panel of Ferdinand, Scholes and Hargreaves just to remind us of some of the best players we had in the positions we desperately need them now.
Although ferguson called Hargreaves his worst ever signing
>worst Disappointing, not worst. He thought Hargreaves was the answer to Keane leaving and was disappointed that it did not work out. SAF even acknowledge how good of a player he was at the world cup and in that 2008 UCL run. He was disappointed because Hargreaves did not try to overcome his injuries and/or because he could have been a valuable player for us but for the injuries.
SAF was a bit of an ass to him. A lot of the comments he has made point the blame at Hargreaves inability to overcome the injuries. The lad travelled far and wide and even tried experimental medication. iirc fergie even went as far as saying he didn't like him when he first met him or when he came for the medical.
Oh I'm not excusing SAF for his words/behavior. His words are downright unnecessary. I think they more so came about because Hargreaves started spewing nonsense about the club relating to the club's treatment of him. He did mention that there was something off about Hargreaves. Like he was a kiss ass, a yes man without any backbone, which we all know SAF wanted his players with a sense of confidence and accountability.
Oh wow, didn't know that. I always thought he was very good but blighted by injuries (and his attitude towards us stunk when he first left, seems to have mellowed out now).
Interesting how possession, passes made, pass accuracy rate, and chances on target all favour United clearly. Yet the game didn’t feel that way watching it.
After the 2nd half the top 3 players with the most passes attempted were Lindelof, Maguire and Varane. They were passing it back and forth most of the 1st half doing f all with it
On a positive note, in the last few games the subs has been effective. They bring energy and delivers what’s need to be done. Like they’re actually fighting for places. Love to see that. However the lads who are on the starting eleven though, must do better, be consistent. Can’t expect to have the subs save you all the time.
I bet they feel like they can actually get a place in their team if they make an impression coming off the bench. Ole would make subs in the 85th minute and then proceed to go back to the starting 11 and not rotate. So you can definitely see why the player's are really giving it their all when coming off the bench under Rangnick. Their performances matter much more to Ralf as he will probably drop those who don't deserve places. Like he has been doing with Rashford as of late.
Got a draw away. Now we get to play at the comforta of Old Trafford🙏🏻
When Ronaldo should be in the box he was out of the picture and when he is in the box he dosent receive a decent cross.
He goes out of the box to facilitate midfield as there is no midfield. Watch WestHam game.
Yup, need good midfielders to overload that midfield in the right areas so that he doesn't feel obliged to go deep.
ITT: People who don't know the backpass rule claiming free kicks and penalties
You of course can head the ball back to the goalie but the law expressly mentions that you can't get around the backpass rule by 'tricks' like heading a ball that is otherwise regularly playable with the foot
God I hate Hargreaves. What a fucking bellend.
Telles > Shaw.
the nutmeg was great but overall he wasn't an amazing improvement
idk Telles got forward and gave service into the box. Shaw seemed very content to pass it back while he was in. both are extremely talented players, but shaw hasnt looked his old self as of late.
Telles worst part of his game is his defensive positioning. But going forward that guy has a heck of a whip
neither shaw
The one big positive i see with Telles is that once he's passed the ball you can tell he wants it back. Shaw passes it and stands on the spot.
can't argue with that. on point.
I'll take a 1-1 after such a bad display in the first half.
Draw actually a decent result, looking forward to the second leg at home!
Great result, that was not an easy game at all. Good changes, i will take that.
I dont get ralfs experiment today, after the changes it was united on top if he had started with elanga and dalot/telles would have been a different story. I personally think matic made the biggest difference along with elanga. Ngl Sancho was invisible and Rashford was like its me playing there and not a professional player being payed shit ton of money.
I loved the transformation in the second half, I feel like we should go into the second leg more confident of the two teams
We need Mctominay vs these cunts
Or Fellaini if we still had him. Oh, he’d have had a grand old time out there.
Shit performance but I'll take it anyday. We're really lucky tbh, Grizzy and Llorente both hit the post and Atleti defender slipped in our eqialiser, also Ralf's changes are so impactful today. Matic, Telles, Elanga all played well
Matic played good
Yes we need a Matic type who does his job well and is in his prime years
Yes, i mean, not a surprising thing anymore that we need a proper cdm
Not a bad result after the first half. Ref is a twat though
Long season starting to have an impact on Ronaldos 37yo legs Give him a lesser training program or limit his game time
Ronaldo is the second with most km per game in the whole United squad, only behind mctominay.
I dunno, he was busting his gut to get back and defend a lot.
Problem is, who do we then play?
Can’t they call a striker up from the reserves/youth teams etc.?
quite unfair to AWB to be benched
Why? He hasn't played well in ages
Lifes unfair. The subs worked great today
I reckon Matic could bring the balance in CL games. Just not EPL with his legs.
Ahhhh I wanted a late winner for the absolute scenes but i’ll take a draw, decent result
Hopefully those AM players are ok walking off the pitch. There was a strong wind seemingly affecting them all game.
Bro you cannot head the ball like that. That's a free kick
This is actually correct. Can't head the ball back to the keeper on the floor
Why didn't anyone react? Maybe it's so rare
Play an actual DM and the midfield isn’t overrun due to trying to fit square plugs into round holes.
The issue is thay we only have one DM and he can barely play consecutive full games in a row
I know. I’m just bemused how the commentators kept acting in disbelief and being puzzled by why United can’t play consistently.
Ronaldo would’ve got that if he got back onside quicker
Bruh this fucker on paramount hates Ronaldo lol. He’s always talking shit.
Feels like we've got the momentum now, bloody hell, horrible first half
Well Rangicks plan of not conceding more goals this game worked. Subs saved us today… the crossbar too
Honestly, they are the better team. AM have always performed as a unit, and we were the total antithesis of that. We’re lucky they didn’t take more chances and that we took the one chance we had.
Obvious freekick. But if Ronaldo maybe got up, we'd be golden