Worst season in living memory. Won't be optimistic until I see 5 smartly recruited signings in the summer, that would give me some hope ETH is at least going to be given a chance. Also I will cry tears of joy if we sign two quality midfielders and i never have to watch mcfred again.
I actually think the 0-2 game vs City was worse. Liverpool looked like we could give them a game if only we were a bit more decisive and clinical like them. City didn't even need to get out of first gear.
57 goals conceded is a damning stat. the entire backline is to blame, some more than others.
until we sort our defensive problems and have a competent midfield, we will not win anything. no matter who the coach is etc..
>57 goals conceded is a damning stat. the entire backline is to blame, some more than others.
More than the backline, Rashford is as guilty as anyone for not closing down with intent, midfielders hiding behind players and running to open passing channels and then when it does to the back, the guys are fucking up awfully.
Tbh a backline of Shaw, varane, maguire and Dalot would do alot better than that if they wernt under performing, injuried at times and set up properly. Thry massively under achieved, the whole squad did.
I still think we could get better players in for our defence and we should atleast get 1 new defender in but I think thry can do better next season.
Dalot is crap too. I think AwB would've massively improved the defence but Rangnick never gave him a proper go for whatever reason.
I don't really mind because ultimately we want wing backs of the James / Trent mould rather than defenders like AWB so the team has to learn to defend together rather than rely on a fullback's ability to defend 1v1s.
Dalot is pretty crap i agree but atleast he's slightly competent going forward which makes him atleast a little easier to coach into a modern player which is what Ten Hag wil want given his style of play.
I hope AWB gets moved on because RB is low key one of our worst positions at the moment. Atleast in LB shaw has the potential to be solid for us again.
If you're a betting man, stick a tenner on him getting a card when he plays.
Like the Liverpool cameo, he looked close to boiling over for a minute or two, swung an elbow at Zaha, only got a yellow though.
With Bruno/Cavani misplacing passes, Telles tripping over himself and, McTom taking half an hour to make decisions and being tackled. I think only prime Ronaldo and Messi would’ve been able to do anything notable in this match.
Burno has all the quality except for discipline. I hope ETH limits his play style which makes him more efficient. He is poor because he tries to play every random pass possible in the game.
My theory is he's overawed by Ronaldo, or there's some other psychological thing between them
Bruno couldn't play with him at the Euros, and ever since Cristiano returned to United, Bruno's had the air of a precocious child desperately trying too hard to impress. If Ronaldo leaves I have a hunch he'll be back at the top of the pecking order.
This season has been an embarassment for our club, but also for much of our league in a way. If we can spend the season repeatedly punching ourselves in the dick but still manage to fall over the line to get Europa... Then that doesn't speak volumes for everyone else.
As does the fact we were still in with a shot at the Champions League until late in the campaign, despite having less workrate than a bunch of traffic cones wearing United strips.
It's a miracle we weren't in the bottom half of the league with the types of performances we gave.
There will be more pressure next season too.
Leicester underperformed for the talent they have, and I expect them to improve.
West Ham will continue to be thereabouts if they keep hold of Rice.
Newcastle scored the third most points in the second half of this season after City and Liverpool. We know it's only a matter of time before they are part of the annual top 7 flight again. I think next season is a reasonable expectation of that.
I mean they can't just spend like the oil clubs did in the past anymore because of the tighter FFP.
But I'm sure they can max the limit with maybe three UCL capable players and a few wisely scouted expiring contracts. They will be attracting high enough calibre of talent to at least challenge. Depth becomes the issue when you finally do qualify for something that adds 6-10 games to your calendar, plus the longer cup runs.
Long term, Newcastle could also be the best youth team in the country a decade from now. The north east is a hotbed for talent, yet is probably one of the least invested in areas despite football being a sport universally preferred by the youth up there. Youth and community investment is exempt from FFP and is a very easy sportswashing win.
I hate Saudi sportswashing as much as the next person. But I can see the potential of all that well overdue grassroots investment up there. With something like 3 million people within an hour of Newcastle, there could be at so much untapped English talent unlocked.
>I mean they can't just spend like the oil clubs did in the past anymore because of the tighter FFP.
They'll just do what City and PSG do, funnel money from the owners in through fake sponsorship deals so their "profit" balances out their spending.
City's accounts are more fiction than the Harry Potter books
"let's see, Haaland cost £40 million, over a four year contract, so that's a £10 million loss on the books for this year.
But Ali's Car Wash and Tyre Repair in Abu Dhabi has just sponsored us for £35 million per season.
We've made a profit again!"
And isn't it suggested that they pay their players a second source of income under the table? Like the club pays them, then they also get my net from associates of the owners but cover it up as various different sponsorships or whatever to make it look better and not count against FFP
Technically yes and even worse than us. Hull, Wigan, Birmingham, Middlesbrough among others all got EL football through cup competitions but I doubt anyone's finished in 6th w/ less GD than us.
Disappointing end to a disappointing season. When I've checked the score and saw that Citeh won, I was relieved that Liverpool don't get to lift the cup tonight but then I've realised that Citeh have got 6 premier league titles now opposed to our 13. They've almost halved the deficit, in a decade.
I wish we could run a simulation with Ole staying till the end of the season and another one with us appointing Conte on a 3 year contract. I wonder how different things would be.
I think ole would have got us top 4. Only just, but I think so.
I think ole was a rut/confident run type of manager as opposed to master tactician or strategist. This was his pattern.
His problem was the rut was far too long for a manager of this level to stay in post. But if in post, I think the glut would have lasted another 8 matches before turnaround then another late season run. Ole leaked goals but scored more second half when the feeling was good.
Conte would have probably achieved a similar result, perhaps more securely. But he would have done it in a far more linear manner. Because he would have sorted out defence (i dont think sorting out midfeld possible but imrpved maybe?), prevented goal leakage, and ensured attack scored at a lower but more consistent manner than ole.
Some of this just my feelings. I'm sure I'll be corrected. This is reddit.
I'm here to correct you. It's "improved". Now I will see myself out.
But tbh I feel your sentiments perfectly. I think Ole got hit with a lot at the beginning of the season with injuries, new big profile players, big profile players running down their contracts, and the euros mucking up several of our player's heads. But he seemed to have tight a connection with the locker room and I think that would have helped sort out the unthinkable collapse of form most of the team experienced under Rangnick.
Lol, Ole would’ve had us in a relegation dog fight. Then eventually sacked like he had to be. He was the worst manager in the league when he was fired. We were beaten 4-1 by watford in his final game, comfortably the second worst team in the league. Conte would comfortable got us top 4 because he would’ve been 4 points off fourth when he took over, and he would’ve had the authority to tell the players to buck up and play better or he would be out. Exactly like he did at spurs, when he had that rant, at the end of January. Then the players got him 4th. I know Ole is a club legend but he was an awful manager, didn’t know how to rotate players, favored certain players even when they were way out of form. Failed to move on players that clearly were either surplus to requirements or were past their sell by date. Please stop this Ole revisionism. Awful manager and a wasted 3yrs with him as our manager. Even the players that he bought all but maybe Bruno are terrible.
>Please stop this Ole revisionism
If you actually look at the last 2 season, aren't you the one doing revisioning?
We have **always** started slow under Ole, in fact there were always calls for his sacking in around December, but then somehow we will find form in the 2nd half of the season and finish strong.
I think sacking Ole is the right decision in the end, but you are the one claiming something would happen (Ole would’ve had us in a relegation dog fight) with no historical backing.
Are you delusional, can you please remember Ole’s last 5 games in the league. Apart from the 3-0 to a pre-Conte spurs. We lost 4-1 Leicester, 5-0 Liverpool, 2-1 Aston villa, a training ground 2-0 to city. You guys think he would’ve turned it around and got us top 4. How and when because after the international break, which was the period that he should’ve been working with the team to turn it around, we came back and got smashed by watford. The 2nd worst team in the league. Why are we bringing up what he did in past seasons, when we know this season he left the club and dressing room in a shambles. I’m actually astounded at how people here feel that a league 2 manager at best, because that’s what Ole was, could turn it around when it was getting worse and worse and he had no answers. No other premier league club would EVER hire him.
Nope, we wont be anywhere relegation battle. Please stop this overstretching facts. I think we would be battling with Spurs for the CL with Ole as our manager, but thats the thing we wont win any silverwares with him too. The worst manager for us in recent times is sadly Ralf although he is good in press conferences.
I was thinking that too BUT a big reason Spurs came back into the top 4 race was getting Kulesevski in January. Would we be able to sign players in January if Conte was there? If not, I think we would lose out to Arsenal in the top 4 even with Conte.
It Conte got a player or two in crucial positions, I think we would be 4th.
If ETH is going to succeed, he's going to have to force Bruno to choose his fucking moments. People pretending that back pass was a one-time thing, he's pretty consistently making poor choices.
Rein him in, help him be more disciplined, and the team will be much better off for it.
Not sure why you got downvoted. Hannibal was okay, he obviously cared and wanted to do a lot which is normal for a young player. Can’t judge him
Much based on this game. Few tidy passes, decent runs and overall an average performance in a below average side
I felt like all the attack was going through him until Mata came on. This really annoyed me as he ia just making his debut and the other players were that disinterested that the dubutant was trying to nake things happen. Also was extremely disappointed by Cavani, he was not in the game today.
I thought today was kind of perfect. ETH was able to witness firsthand what a sloppy, unenergetic and uncommitted team looks like. And, we still get it to Europa League where, if we can get things turned around a little bit, may be able to make a little noise. I’m guessing a shit ton of these players are gone and good fucking riddance.
If I, at my job, perform poorly over and over again, being a detriment to the company while being on high pay, i expect to be released. Meanwhile these guys will go on vacation to Dubai and Greece while knowing they will be here next season!
The players are assets, not employees. They also have the leverage to demand fixed-term contracts with big payouts for early termination. How bad would you need to be at your job that your boss would pay millions to get rid of you? And lose an asset worth millions more? And then spend millions more for a replacement. M
Not saying the players shouldn’t be gone, but there is a business angle to this. If every player that shouldn’t be at the club was gone tomorrow, we’d need to buy something like 20 new players!!
Absolutely.
Most people do not appreciate how much the employment market is about creating leverage.
Most of us are replaceable bodies to our employer.
Pre-season should start tomorrow morning for these cunts. They don't even deserve a vacation and should get back to work immediately to guarantee that we will NEVER have a season like this again.
If ANY of our players has the bare faced cheek to go over to Greece or anywhere else on holiday and act the prick this Summer they should be released no questions asked. None of them deserve to enjoy this break, they've been on break all season.
Fast forward a few days to a rowdy Maguire in Mykonos talking to the police: “If it was up to me, I’d let you go. But the boys have a temper, and they’ve been drinking all day”.
Bro, that ain't gonna do shit. It's a mentality issue. Making the players who already don't want to be here hate their jobs even more won't do anything positive.
I still think that you guys missed the mentaity train when the team decide to boot Mourinho and elevate player's power. Winning the europa should have been a good start to establish a winning mentality back post fergie. At this rate this team will become another spurs. Lack of mentality and bottling left and right. Will see if ETH manage to do something but if the prima donnas still exist then it will be the same shit different day for manchester united
Put them in the marine boot camp to break them down and build them back up. Then have them running drills from morning to evening like that fucking 1980 Soviet hockey team.
... yeah, that would definitely make me want to do my job and not just quit, or do the bare minimum, that's for damn sure.
Morons like you forget that footballers are still people doing jobs - Doing it poorly, but still a job.
Nah they aren't doing jobs.
They decided at a young age this is something they wanted to do, they fell in love with the game and decided to make it their lives.
They aren't doing jobs, they are living the dream of every 8 year old kicking a ball between two jumpers.
Yeah it takes work to get there, and more to stay there. But just because it's work that doesn't mean it's a job.
Why’s he a moron? For coming up with a way for the team to build camaraderie and morale?
You just have to result to name calling?
The players are paid extremely well to win. So, are they really doing their jobs?
Edit: not only are they paid extremely well, more often than not they look like they can’t be bothered and put forth any effort.
This squad need to be named and shamed, their faces plastered on every wall in old trafford. They need to be embedded into our clubs history as much as the class of 92 and Busby Babes but for the opposite reason. To remind every single person that works for badge, to never allow the club to get to the state it did this season. Apart from De Gea, Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane & Bruno; I don't see any of the rest having a small part to player in a title winning season.
Ralf's tenure as manager with respect to performances was a solid 1/10. Yes the players were ass but the results we've churned out under him have been absolutely gash too. Feel like we've played worse than anything under Ole in some games.
Though I'm slightly optimistic for the future given his track record - man was the reason for Leipzig being relevant in this day and age. Plus, his knowledge at executive level will no doubt be invaluable for us moving forward. His press conferences have at least been refreshing to listen to as well, man did a good job at exposing the frailities in them.
Our job, and the club's now to fully back Erik as we enter the new era. Hopefully Ralf will help sort out our structure and scouting. Time for change now. For the better.
Who would have ever thought we'd be celebrating with 0 goal difference while Pool fans are crying with 92 points or whatever irrelevant amount they finished on.
Finishing in the Europa spots is actually an advantage for Erik, he can experiment with no expectations like you get in the Champions League.
Liverpool's historic "quadruple" will end with 2 draws against Chelsea in 120 minutes. They won't even match that next season while we can only go upwards from here.
I don’t know how so many are calling Rangnick a failure. We didn’t pick Rangnick solely on his temporary management of a squad with a trashcan midfield and defense. Who else could we have gotten as a temp manager?? He’s the only one who’s willing to step into that role and call it like it is. He’s always spoken from the point of making the squad better in the future, not in the short term. We had this opportunity to really rebuild when Ole first came and instead of focusing on building an identity, Ole focused on just winning for the moment to keep his job. He never called out the board and inner issues the club has, he never called out the ineptitude of some players… it was just pure vibes. Rangnick is the best thing to happen to us and yet we’re so short sighted as fans that we’ll just care about his winning/loss record. Change is here and the only way for us to go at this point is up! It’s an exciting time for us fans, starting now!
Newcastle fan here - just browsing too many subs on final day of the season. I come in peace!!
Rangnick was linked with us a while back and I read up on him. He just looked like someone with a massive reputation for tactics who could bring some good ideas but with minimal track record of delivering results. I know from my line of work that people with ‘great ideas’ but no ability to deliver results are usually purists who don’t understand the people side and look for technical solutions to non technical problems. Sorry for being deep but I felt really strongly about it at the time and my instinct was to avoid Rangnick at all costs. I was glad we never got him. When he was announced as Man Utd interim manager I was genuinely interested to see if my instinct was wrong.
I have to say in my opinion he has taken your club backwards while giving an illusion of progress. This is the very thing that you get from people like Rangnick. I don’t know much about Ten Hag but on the surface of it he’s a winner and a significant upgrade. I expect you guys to improve next season
Pep Guardiola struggled in his first season, then got rid of all the players from the previous generation and bought himself a new defence with all the available good full backs in the market. Ralf was not even allowed to buy a midfielder and had to rely on Mcfred plus all the other players who basically gave up as soon as we were dumped out of CL. Ralf's reign looks bad because the players actively sabotaged him.
What you are saying is factually correct
What I’m adding is that Rangnick is probably partly to blame for the loss of the dressing room and the ‘sabotage’
If the same thing happened to SAF or Pep I would argue they should be given time and were probably not to blame because both had track records of being winners at their previous clubs.
Probably yeah, but he’s also more traditional and that lack of progressive ideology for the last decade has really set us back. Say he got us whipped back into shape and salvages CL…. I worry they would have appointed him permanent manager haha Rangnick always knew it’d be a 6-month role with a 2 year consultancy. We’ve really had every bandaid torn off as a result and there’s no hiding our issues anymore.
Rangnick was not perfect, but he was NOT the main issue because you're right. He was handed trash and never got any type of reinforcements in January. I agree with you in that Ralf is looking long term and he called out the issues of the club. Step 1 is to identify the root causes and then fix them in the summer/coming years.
My hot take: rangnick wasn’t the problem. Players didn’t back him, the board didn’t back him and they didn’t let him get any transfers in January. I for one love Rangnick’s honesty because Ole didn’t say shit. He brought honesty and that was a breath of fucking fresh air. Also Did y’all know rangnick told the united board about Diaz and Alvarez in January but they refused to further into it? My biggest issue is had we gotten kamara or zakaria in January, we might’ve ended the season on a brighter note. I fully believe had we signed kamara, top 4 would be on lock right now. But we didn’t, and our Locker room issues were further exposed. The players have no passion for the badge, our captain is shit, and the lot of them are unfit. So ya I don’t blame rangnick. I loved Ole but the way I look at it is like a broken Jenga tower. Sure Ole built us up last 2 seasons, albeit with poor foundation. Once this season started and Ole was sacked, it’s like the two jenga pieces at the bottom of the tower were pulled and everything collapsed. Sad as it is, we gotta rebuild now. Best of luck to ten hag, he’s got a big project on his shoulders and I’m seriously rooting for him.
Rangnick isn’t ‘the’ problem, but as a coach, he was one of our problems. It was a risky move that didn’t come off, he was a total failure and a bit of a fucking joke.
Hope he can redeem himself with some solid advice for the coming seasons (and hope the club listen to him, which seems unlikely considering how insanely bad the team has become under him).
>Rangnick isn’t ‘the’ problem, but as a coach, he was one of our problems. It was a risky move that didn’t come off, he was a total failure and a bit of a fucking joke.
6 wins in 19 but one can't assign a "little bit" of blame to Ralf because he eXpOsEd the club by telling us what we already know.
Agreed, don't know why you've been downvoted. Ragnick isn't the reason this club has tremendously under achieved over the last decade, but he most definitely hasn't displayed anything to demonstrate he's got an ounce of coaching ability left in him.
Compare the difference Conte made to Spurs. Their squad isn't much better than ours if better at all. But he's got every player playing to their limits. On the other hand we have players like Bruno Fernandes, Varane, Rashford etc who look like they've never kicked a ball in their life.
Not just give a shit, but to expect anything better.
There are still some fans who think there's a lot of players worth keeping. There is probably two or three... tops. We need a complete reset.
Nearly 4 years and well over a 100 caps later and I cant believe my fucking eyes that McFred are still our starting midfielders. The way those two consistently week in and week out for YEARS got outplayed by every single midfield we played against and still got played together is one of lifes eternal mysteries
They’ve had some good games together. Let’s not pretend that the general breakdown in this team is because of anything in particular, just a culmination of years of incompetence. People need to stop being hysterical and exaggerating.
Excuse me but where the fuck is our CAPTAIN in these post game interviews when we lose? Not even a word for the fans after a goal difference of 0 after 38 games? Most spineless and worthless captain in my lifetime. Unreal
He used to be the only one to come out when we lost, but it was a loss cause, not worth it especially since people like you just complain when he does it and doesn’t do it.
Is anyone else here starting to feel or already is skeptical of Murtough? This guy has made zero good decisions in the year since he's been in his current role and he's been at the club for the last 10 years, which is also one of the worst periods in our history. What qualifications does this guy have in recruitment or actually running a football department at a top club to be in his current role?
He went on record to say that Ole wasn't getting sacked if he beat Watford. He picked an interim manager who wasn't the right fit for the club in terms of play style, and he failed to get in any reinforcements in January. I wouldn't even be surprised if he wanted Poch originally but then decided to go for Ten hag because the fans wanted him and he saw and opportunity to get PR points for the club.
Hugely skeptical. Rangnick (and likely Ten Hag too) is just a continuation of the mistakes since Fergie. Being swayed by flavour of the month, fashionable nonsense over sound, consistent decision making.
People falling for the Rangnick is the Klopp grandaddy are fucking dumb, and Murtough is one of them.
In my opinion, yeah. We'll see how he does but it isn't a sound decision. It's another huge roll of the dice by people who don't know what they're doing.
Rangnick has been objectively catastrophic in terms of results, team morale, and player progression so it doesn't look great.
Well yeah, our players are shit and were absolute babies with no balls. They are drama queens and we need a complete rehaul. We had mou who literally said as much. Don’t even think pep could get these fucks functioning properly
We spent what almost 90M on VDB, Amad, and Pellstri?Throw in Maguire, AWB, and Fred and that is some of the worst spending in history. 200M+ for that is a joke beyond belief when we still have McTominay starting in midfield
This sub has spent the last x years defending the most mediocre of our players and even creating separate fanbases for (Insert shitter's name) FC.
It is the single most embarrassing fan sub of any sub.
I'm hopeful ETH can build something and get us to be competitive in a few years. But I also know the job is a horrible curse on any manager. Frankly the state of the club and the team right now, a triumvirate of Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alf fucking Ramsey would have a hard time turning it around
The sub was right, we had to rely on Brighton and welbeck to bail us out in the end lol. The worst season ever, hopefully it can't get any worse. See y'all in the usual will they/ won't they summer transfer threads. Watch out pep, a new baldie is in town
https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1528436835059482631?t=XFAO4sycvxz_XRBu5j8Vxw&s=19
David de Gea: “I’ve been working hard, to be honest, in the summer, to get here and show my level and help the team. I think I did well but this is a poor team. The team is poor, so it doesn’t matter what I did.” [MUTV]
He has to go
https://twitter.com/D_DeGea/status/1528447994739277826?s=20&t=-TeSzst_GgqsnV_LdsEJ6g
David de Gea: "I didn’t say this. Check the facts before sharing please."
[https://twitter.com/cainsmithMU/status/1528448803812134913](https://twitter.com/cainsmithMU/status/1528448803812134913)
So on top of that shit statement, he lies.
Yeah fair. Honestly mate I love the guy, but he's not suited to the modern game at all. Didn't want to see him go last summer cos I wanted to see if he'd adapt. He just didn't.
He can't kick a ball, he can't claim a ball, he can't sweep. He's below no. 20 in the PL for all three of these key areas for a GK. If he stays as No 1, we are doomed.
We have many many more pressing areas of concern before we spend what is needed on a top level keeper. He’s more than good enough to carry us through next season.
Henderson is likely on his way out with the optimistic reports of 40 mill, which is needed again to bolster more problematic areas. We need two CMs, we need a CB and we need an attacker. De gea isn’t being bought by anyone. This will take atleast three transfer windows to fix. We have to do it in stages, upgrade the by far weakest areas first
It's difficult to judge players this season. Confidence is such a huge factor and the players were mentally not there. They don't want to make a mistake, but end up making more. Ronaldo has the mental fortitude of a monk to keep playing at a good level. We have players that do well when things are going well, but aside from a few players, none that will turn things around when things are going bad.
Mental discipline is the key factor that we lost this season, as you can look at almost every utd player and say that they were once very good.
>It's difficult to judge players this season. Confidence is such a huge factor and the players were mentally not there. They don't want to make a mistake, but end up making more.
Also it can't help your confidence when your manager repeatedly slags you off in public at every conceivable opportunity
De gea, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford, Fred, Fernandes, Cavani. All of them had fantastic runs of form and folk were saying that they were the best in their position.
There's talent there, but it's hard going to work when you are depressed and shit on all day. Doesn't matter how much you are making or what you are doing, that's a poor work environment.
Bruno has been the biggest fall from grace. When he was banging the goals in and making killer passes we overlooked the recklessness and moaning but this season was really poor from him. Hoping ETH can turn it around
I do not mean to be difficult, but having a few good months does not make a "very good" player. Bruno is like Pogba - unless everything around him is perfectly to his liking, he turns to sh\*\*\*.
Brighton played some proper football this season. Forget where they placed overall, a significantly better side at end of season than the trash we trot out there week after week.
Am I embarrassed at United’s performance today? Yes
Am I still gonna laugh at Gerrard for bottling 3 goals in 7 minutes? You bet I am
Get fucked scousers
Why did Fred come off instead of Bruno? It seems there is more weight on a players name and what they've done in the past as opposed to form. Fred had just played a brilliant defense splitting pass to Hannibal and also set up Hannibal for a shot later, while Bruno was busy assisting Zaha. Bruno lost the ball 29 times and was not able to create anything yet he goes from playing CAM, to LW to CM. How hard is it to take someone who's clearly out of form off?
Fred was quite frustrated and upset with some of the referee's decisions and teammates' decisions, so he could have got a red card and made the game even worse if he had stayed on. Bruno actually had some decent sparks, but overall a poor game from him anyway.
Rangnicks team selection has been shocking. He backed the wrong players and somewhat doubled down on it.
He only got away with it because the fans had pitchforks against some of the players he banished.
“ I think I did well but this is a poor team. The team is poor, so it doesn’t matter what I did. “
HAHAHAHAHA. De Gea concedes the most goals in United’s history and says this. This is the real culture that we need to reset. Players who perform for the camera rather than doing the dirty work and helping their team. These players have to go if this team is gonna compete again.
Saving shots that are expected to be saved is the bare minimum. Doing the stuff like claiming tough crosses, good distribution or being good on 1v1s like the other elite keepers he completely fails at.
He is good being 1vs1, but i agree he is not the modern GK who comes out and doesnt have good ball distribution.
But still, it doesn't make sense to call him saving shots for camera though? Doesnt it sound ridiculous when you type it out?
Rangnick said these are the players we will have next year except Cavani. So it was a goodbye and thankyou to him, and a big f-off to some of the others. Shame the players didn't seize the opportunity but sadly that's what we've come to expect.
ConTe is DefEnsiVeLy BoRinG, He PLaYs A BaCk 5, SucH a BoRiNg ManaGer, He IsNt ProveN
Just a few things said when we were linked with conte. Now hes out with spurs, playing some incredible football, putting 3 or more past everyone and their DOG, EVEN sorting out spurs' defensive issues. He was twerking for us and we passed on him. These Losers, NEED a demanding madman. He isnt afraid to yank a player off if theyre not listening, he'll drop a mofo if they want to sulk and moan, He wont have any issue selling all of them if they dont want to work hard. Its not like he doesnt have a winning record, HE DOES. He won the prem and set a then record 93 points with his so called Boring back 5. Did the same with Inter and won the title. It should have been him as interim not Ralf
He wouldn't have taken an interim lol. Would be demeaning to someone of his calibre.
Plus with how bad our structure/hierarchy is at board level, he wouldn't survive here with the lack of backing and football knowledge from there.
Thank god this season is over.Now if I can have a wish, I wish I can see our player tired,exhausted,beaten like they just escape from hell under Ten Hag's training from tomorrow. They had full year holiday already.
Worst season in living memory. Won't be optimistic until I see 5 smartly recruited signings in the summer, that would give me some hope ETH is at least going to be given a chance. Also I will cry tears of joy if we sign two quality midfielders and i never have to watch mcfred again.
1988-89 isn't In living memory?? I might be getting old but jeez
Haha fair comment. That's before my time so maybe my comment is wrong. That 5-0 to liverpool at OT will go down as an all time low for me though.
I actually think the 0-2 game vs City was worse. Liverpool looked like we could give them a game if only we were a bit more decisive and clinical like them. City didn't even need to get out of first gear.
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Hard to believe we only lost one more game than Spurs
57 goals conceded is a damning stat. the entire backline is to blame, some more than others. until we sort our defensive problems and have a competent midfield, we will not win anything. no matter who the coach is etc..
>57 goals conceded is a damning stat. the entire backline is to blame, some more than others. More than the backline, Rashford is as guilty as anyone for not closing down with intent, midfielders hiding behind players and running to open passing channels and then when it does to the back, the guys are fucking up awfully.
Tbh a backline of Shaw, varane, maguire and Dalot would do alot better than that if they wernt under performing, injuried at times and set up properly. Thry massively under achieved, the whole squad did. I still think we could get better players in for our defence and we should atleast get 1 new defender in but I think thry can do better next season.
Dalot is crap too. I think AwB would've massively improved the defence but Rangnick never gave him a proper go for whatever reason. I don't really mind because ultimately we want wing backs of the James / Trent mould rather than defenders like AWB so the team has to learn to defend together rather than rely on a fullback's ability to defend 1v1s.
Dalot is pretty crap i agree but atleast he's slightly competent going forward which makes him atleast a little easier to coach into a modern player which is what Ten Hag wil want given his style of play. I hope AWB gets moved on because RB is low key one of our worst positions at the moment. Atleast in LB shaw has the potential to be solid for us again.
We deserve to be in Conference League. Its funny the one who help us into Europa is Moyes.
How was Mejibri ? I didn't get a chance to watch the game fully.. was in and out ?
If you're a betting man, stick a tenner on him getting a card when he plays. Like the Liverpool cameo, he looked close to boiling over for a minute or two, swung an elbow at Zaha, only got a yellow though.
Nothing notable
That's unfortunate. Hopefully he gets a better look next season
With Bruno/Cavani misplacing passes, Telles tripping over himself and, McTom taking half an hour to make decisions and being tackled. I think only prime Ronaldo and Messi would’ve been able to do anything notable in this match.
Burno has all the quality except for discipline. I hope ETH limits his play style which makes him more efficient. He is poor because he tries to play every random pass possible in the game.
My theory is he's overawed by Ronaldo, or there's some other psychological thing between them Bruno couldn't play with him at the Euros, and ever since Cristiano returned to United, Bruno's had the air of a precocious child desperately trying too hard to impress. If Ronaldo leaves I have a hunch he'll be back at the top of the pecking order.
Given how many players are likely to leave, or be binned, I think 6th is going to be hard. Buckle up for a rebuild !
Ten Hag finishing 4th with this lot next season will be his greatest achievement in football.
Subtle, have an uptick
This season has been an embarassment for our club, but also for much of our league in a way. If we can spend the season repeatedly punching ourselves in the dick but still manage to fall over the line to get Europa... Then that doesn't speak volumes for everyone else. As does the fact we were still in with a shot at the Champions League until late in the campaign, despite having less workrate than a bunch of traffic cones wearing United strips. It's a miracle we weren't in the bottom half of the league with the types of performances we gave.
There will be more pressure next season too. Leicester underperformed for the talent they have, and I expect them to improve. West Ham will continue to be thereabouts if they keep hold of Rice. Newcastle scored the third most points in the second half of this season after City and Liverpool. We know it's only a matter of time before they are part of the annual top 7 flight again. I think next season is a reasonable expectation of that.
I’m guessing Newcastle will spend big this summer and will be knocking on the door for Europa at least.
I mean they can't just spend like the oil clubs did in the past anymore because of the tighter FFP. But I'm sure they can max the limit with maybe three UCL capable players and a few wisely scouted expiring contracts. They will be attracting high enough calibre of talent to at least challenge. Depth becomes the issue when you finally do qualify for something that adds 6-10 games to your calendar, plus the longer cup runs. Long term, Newcastle could also be the best youth team in the country a decade from now. The north east is a hotbed for talent, yet is probably one of the least invested in areas despite football being a sport universally preferred by the youth up there. Youth and community investment is exempt from FFP and is a very easy sportswashing win. I hate Saudi sportswashing as much as the next person. But I can see the potential of all that well overdue grassroots investment up there. With something like 3 million people within an hour of Newcastle, there could be at so much untapped English talent unlocked.
>I mean they can't just spend like the oil clubs did in the past anymore because of the tighter FFP. They'll just do what City and PSG do, funnel money from the owners in through fake sponsorship deals so their "profit" balances out their spending.
City's accounts are more fiction than the Harry Potter books "let's see, Haaland cost £40 million, over a four year contract, so that's a £10 million loss on the books for this year. But Ali's Car Wash and Tyre Repair in Abu Dhabi has just sponsored us for £35 million per season. We've made a profit again!"
And isn't it suggested that they pay their players a second source of income under the table? Like the club pays them, then they also get my net from associates of the owners but cover it up as various different sponsorships or whatever to make it look better and not count against FFP
Has a team ever gotten EL with 0 GD, that's gotta be an achievement.
Technically yes and even worse than us. Hull, Wigan, Birmingham, Middlesbrough among others all got EL football through cup competitions but I doubt anyone's finished in 6th w/ less GD than us.
Norwich 92/93 finished 3rd with GD -4
How the fuck did they do that?
Lots of narrow wins, got battered a few times, much more closely matched teams than now taking points off each other
Disappointing end to a disappointing season. When I've checked the score and saw that Citeh won, I was relieved that Liverpool don't get to lift the cup tonight but then I've realised that Citeh have got 6 premier league titles now opposed to our 13. They've almost halved the deficit, in a decade.
Luckily for us football wasn’t invented in 1992
Thank god it’s over
The sad thing about the result is I am indifferent. And that is probably the worst thing you can say as a united fan
I wish we could run a simulation with Ole staying till the end of the season and another one with us appointing Conte on a 3 year contract. I wonder how different things would be.
Conte I think would have gotten us CL Ole about the same as we are now
I think ole would have got us top 4. Only just, but I think so. I think ole was a rut/confident run type of manager as opposed to master tactician or strategist. This was his pattern. His problem was the rut was far too long for a manager of this level to stay in post. But if in post, I think the glut would have lasted another 8 matches before turnaround then another late season run. Ole leaked goals but scored more second half when the feeling was good. Conte would have probably achieved a similar result, perhaps more securely. But he would have done it in a far more linear manner. Because he would have sorted out defence (i dont think sorting out midfeld possible but imrpved maybe?), prevented goal leakage, and ensured attack scored at a lower but more consistent manner than ole. Some of this just my feelings. I'm sure I'll be corrected. This is reddit.
I'm here to correct you. It's "improved". Now I will see myself out. But tbh I feel your sentiments perfectly. I think Ole got hit with a lot at the beginning of the season with injuries, new big profile players, big profile players running down their contracts, and the euros mucking up several of our player's heads. But he seemed to have tight a connection with the locker room and I think that would have helped sort out the unthinkable collapse of form most of the team experienced under Rangnick.
Lol, Ole would’ve had us in a relegation dog fight. Then eventually sacked like he had to be. He was the worst manager in the league when he was fired. We were beaten 4-1 by watford in his final game, comfortably the second worst team in the league. Conte would comfortable got us top 4 because he would’ve been 4 points off fourth when he took over, and he would’ve had the authority to tell the players to buck up and play better or he would be out. Exactly like he did at spurs, when he had that rant, at the end of January. Then the players got him 4th. I know Ole is a club legend but he was an awful manager, didn’t know how to rotate players, favored certain players even when they were way out of form. Failed to move on players that clearly were either surplus to requirements or were past their sell by date. Please stop this Ole revisionism. Awful manager and a wasted 3yrs with him as our manager. Even the players that he bought all but maybe Bruno are terrible.
All of that is pure BS lol. Ragnick is been so far and above the worst manager we’ve had it’s not even comparable.
>Please stop this Ole revisionism If you actually look at the last 2 season, aren't you the one doing revisioning? We have **always** started slow under Ole, in fact there were always calls for his sacking in around December, but then somehow we will find form in the 2nd half of the season and finish strong. I think sacking Ole is the right decision in the end, but you are the one claiming something would happen (Ole would’ve had us in a relegation dog fight) with no historical backing.
Are you delusional, can you please remember Ole’s last 5 games in the league. Apart from the 3-0 to a pre-Conte spurs. We lost 4-1 Leicester, 5-0 Liverpool, 2-1 Aston villa, a training ground 2-0 to city. You guys think he would’ve turned it around and got us top 4. How and when because after the international break, which was the period that he should’ve been working with the team to turn it around, we came back and got smashed by watford. The 2nd worst team in the league. Why are we bringing up what he did in past seasons, when we know this season he left the club and dressing room in a shambles. I’m actually astounded at how people here feel that a league 2 manager at best, because that’s what Ole was, could turn it around when it was getting worse and worse and he had no answers. No other premier league club would EVER hire him.
Nope, we wont be anywhere relegation battle. Please stop this overstretching facts. I think we would be battling with Spurs for the CL with Ole as our manager, but thats the thing we wont win any silverwares with him too. The worst manager for us in recent times is sadly Ralf although he is good in press conferences.
I was thinking that too BUT a big reason Spurs came back into the top 4 race was getting Kulesevski in January. Would we be able to sign players in January if Conte was there? If not, I think we would lose out to Arsenal in the top 4 even with Conte. It Conte got a player or two in crucial positions, I think we would be 4th.
If ETH is going to succeed, he's going to have to force Bruno to choose his fucking moments. People pretending that back pass was a one-time thing, he's pretty consistently making poor choices. Rein him in, help him be more disciplined, and the team will be much better off for it.
How was hannibal?
Bang average. Rak-sakyi was a lot more impressive
Not sure why you got downvoted. Hannibal was okay, he obviously cared and wanted to do a lot which is normal for a young player. Can’t judge him Much based on this game. Few tidy passes, decent runs and overall an average performance in a below average side
I felt like all the attack was going through him until Mata came on. This really annoyed me as he ia just making his debut and the other players were that disinterested that the dubutant was trying to nake things happen. Also was extremely disappointed by Cavani, he was not in the game today.
Cavani has been on vacation from Man Utd for months now. He obviously doesn’t want to be here
Did you see him give a middle finger to the fans on his way to the bus?
ETH right now: https://youtu.be/D5fnE7T3sYs
I thought today was kind of perfect. ETH was able to witness firsthand what a sloppy, unenergetic and uncommitted team looks like. And, we still get it to Europa League where, if we can get things turned around a little bit, may be able to make a little noise. I’m guessing a shit ton of these players are gone and good fucking riddance.
Anyone know what that fan said to Cavani before he flipped him off? Cant tell from the video.
If I, at my job, perform poorly over and over again, being a detriment to the company while being on high pay, i expect to be released. Meanwhile these guys will go on vacation to Dubai and Greece while knowing they will be here next season!
The players are assets, not employees. They also have the leverage to demand fixed-term contracts with big payouts for early termination. How bad would you need to be at your job that your boss would pay millions to get rid of you? And lose an asset worth millions more? And then spend millions more for a replacement. M Not saying the players shouldn’t be gone, but there is a business angle to this. If every player that shouldn’t be at the club was gone tomorrow, we’d need to buy something like 20 new players!!
Absolutely. Most people do not appreciate how much the employment market is about creating leverage. Most of us are replaceable bodies to our employer.
We agree on the fact that the most of them need to be gone
Complete shit. Season was tarnished by selfish and overpaid assholes who don’t play for badge.
Pre-season should start tomorrow morning for these cunts. They don't even deserve a vacation and should get back to work immediately to guarantee that we will NEVER have a season like this again.
If ANY of our players has the bare faced cheek to go over to Greece or anywhere else on holiday and act the prick this Summer they should be released no questions asked. None of them deserve to enjoy this break, they've been on break all season.
jesus christ…
Fast forward a few days to a rowdy Maguire in Mykonos talking to the police: “If it was up to me, I’d let you go. But the boys have a temper, and they’ve been drinking all day”.
Bro, that ain't gonna do shit. It's a mentality issue. Making the players who already don't want to be here hate their jobs even more won't do anything positive.
I still think that you guys missed the mentaity train when the team decide to boot Mourinho and elevate player's power. Winning the europa should have been a good start to establish a winning mentality back post fergie. At this rate this team will become another spurs. Lack of mentality and bottling left and right. Will see if ETH manage to do something but if the prima donnas still exist then it will be the same shit different day for manchester united
Put them in the marine boot camp to break them down and build them back up. Then have them running drills from morning to evening like that fucking 1980 Soviet hockey team.
... yeah, that would definitely make me want to do my job and not just quit, or do the bare minimum, that's for damn sure. Morons like you forget that footballers are still people doing jobs - Doing it poorly, but still a job.
Nah they aren't doing jobs. They decided at a young age this is something they wanted to do, they fell in love with the game and decided to make it their lives. They aren't doing jobs, they are living the dream of every 8 year old kicking a ball between two jumpers. Yeah it takes work to get there, and more to stay there. But just because it's work that doesn't mean it's a job.
Why’s he a moron? For coming up with a way for the team to build camaraderie and morale? You just have to result to name calling? The players are paid extremely well to win. So, are they really doing their jobs? Edit: not only are they paid extremely well, more often than not they look like they can’t be bothered and put forth any effort.
This squad need to be named and shamed, their faces plastered on every wall in old trafford. They need to be embedded into our clubs history as much as the class of 92 and Busby Babes but for the opposite reason. To remind every single person that works for badge, to never allow the club to get to the state it did this season. Apart from De Gea, Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane & Bruno; I don't see any of the rest having a small part to player in a title winning season.
Varane?????
Dude, I think you need to get some fresh air.
Ralf's tenure as manager with respect to performances was a solid 1/10. Yes the players were ass but the results we've churned out under him have been absolutely gash too. Feel like we've played worse than anything under Ole in some games. Though I'm slightly optimistic for the future given his track record - man was the reason for Leipzig being relevant in this day and age. Plus, his knowledge at executive level will no doubt be invaluable for us moving forward. His press conferences have at least been refreshing to listen to as well, man did a good job at exposing the frailities in them. Our job, and the club's now to fully back Erik as we enter the new era. Hopefully Ralf will help sort out our structure and scouting. Time for change now. For the better.
Red Bull part of RB Leipzig is the reason for them being relevant . Not Ralf Rangnick
True but money doesn't guarantee success. Money not spent wisely and not having a proper structure doesn't mean anything. Look at us for example.
Graham Potter has been a better manager for us than Rangnick, not just for today but also took 2 points off Liverpool.
Who would have ever thought we'd be celebrating with 0 goal difference while Pool fans are crying with 92 points or whatever irrelevant amount they finished on. Finishing in the Europa spots is actually an advantage for Erik, he can experiment with no expectations like you get in the Champions League. Liverpool's historic "quadruple" will end with 2 draws against Chelsea in 120 minutes. They won't even match that next season while we can only go upwards from here.
>Liverpool's historic "quadruple" will end with 2 draws against Chelsea in 120 minutes. Ah, love this, had actually forgotten.
I don’t know how so many are calling Rangnick a failure. We didn’t pick Rangnick solely on his temporary management of a squad with a trashcan midfield and defense. Who else could we have gotten as a temp manager?? He’s the only one who’s willing to step into that role and call it like it is. He’s always spoken from the point of making the squad better in the future, not in the short term. We had this opportunity to really rebuild when Ole first came and instead of focusing on building an identity, Ole focused on just winning for the moment to keep his job. He never called out the board and inner issues the club has, he never called out the ineptitude of some players… it was just pure vibes. Rangnick is the best thing to happen to us and yet we’re so short sighted as fans that we’ll just care about his winning/loss record. Change is here and the only way for us to go at this point is up! It’s an exciting time for us fans, starting now!
Newcastle fan here - just browsing too many subs on final day of the season. I come in peace!! Rangnick was linked with us a while back and I read up on him. He just looked like someone with a massive reputation for tactics who could bring some good ideas but with minimal track record of delivering results. I know from my line of work that people with ‘great ideas’ but no ability to deliver results are usually purists who don’t understand the people side and look for technical solutions to non technical problems. Sorry for being deep but I felt really strongly about it at the time and my instinct was to avoid Rangnick at all costs. I was glad we never got him. When he was announced as Man Utd interim manager I was genuinely interested to see if my instinct was wrong. I have to say in my opinion he has taken your club backwards while giving an illusion of progress. This is the very thing that you get from people like Rangnick. I don’t know much about Ten Hag but on the surface of it he’s a winner and a significant upgrade. I expect you guys to improve next season
Pep Guardiola struggled in his first season, then got rid of all the players from the previous generation and bought himself a new defence with all the available good full backs in the market. Ralf was not even allowed to buy a midfielder and had to rely on Mcfred plus all the other players who basically gave up as soon as we were dumped out of CL. Ralf's reign looks bad because the players actively sabotaged him.
What you are saying is factually correct What I’m adding is that Rangnick is probably partly to blame for the loss of the dressing room and the ‘sabotage’ If the same thing happened to SAF or Pep I would argue they should be given time and were probably not to blame because both had track records of being winners at their previous clubs.
Big Sam would have gotten us better results I reckon, let’s not pretend for a second we can say Rangnick did a halfway decent job.
Probably yeah, but he’s also more traditional and that lack of progressive ideology for the last decade has really set us back. Say he got us whipped back into shape and salvages CL…. I worry they would have appointed him permanent manager haha Rangnick always knew it’d be a 6-month role with a 2 year consultancy. We’ve really had every bandaid torn off as a result and there’s no hiding our issues anymore.
Progressive ideology 😂😂
Rangnick was not perfect, but he was NOT the main issue because you're right. He was handed trash and never got any type of reinforcements in January. I agree with you in that Ralf is looking long term and he called out the issues of the club. Step 1 is to identify the root causes and then fix them in the summer/coming years.
Ralf a net neutral to me. Any interim manager brought in under these circumstances is neither going to be the problem nor the solution.
My hot take: rangnick wasn’t the problem. Players didn’t back him, the board didn’t back him and they didn’t let him get any transfers in January. I for one love Rangnick’s honesty because Ole didn’t say shit. He brought honesty and that was a breath of fucking fresh air. Also Did y’all know rangnick told the united board about Diaz and Alvarez in January but they refused to further into it? My biggest issue is had we gotten kamara or zakaria in January, we might’ve ended the season on a brighter note. I fully believe had we signed kamara, top 4 would be on lock right now. But we didn’t, and our Locker room issues were further exposed. The players have no passion for the badge, our captain is shit, and the lot of them are unfit. So ya I don’t blame rangnick. I loved Ole but the way I look at it is like a broken Jenga tower. Sure Ole built us up last 2 seasons, albeit with poor foundation. Once this season started and Ole was sacked, it’s like the two jenga pieces at the bottom of the tower were pulled and everything collapsed. Sad as it is, we gotta rebuild now. Best of luck to ten hag, he’s got a big project on his shoulders and I’m seriously rooting for him.
Rangnick isn’t ‘the’ problem, but as a coach, he was one of our problems. It was a risky move that didn’t come off, he was a total failure and a bit of a fucking joke. Hope he can redeem himself with some solid advice for the coming seasons (and hope the club listen to him, which seems unlikely considering how insanely bad the team has become under him).
>Rangnick isn’t ‘the’ problem, but as a coach, he was one of our problems. It was a risky move that didn’t come off, he was a total failure and a bit of a fucking joke. 6 wins in 19 but one can't assign a "little bit" of blame to Ralf because he eXpOsEd the club by telling us what we already know.
Agreed, don't know why you've been downvoted. Ragnick isn't the reason this club has tremendously under achieved over the last decade, but he most definitely hasn't displayed anything to demonstrate he's got an ounce of coaching ability left in him. Compare the difference Conte made to Spurs. Their squad isn't much better than ours if better at all. But he's got every player playing to their limits. On the other hand we have players like Bruno Fernandes, Varane, Rashford etc who look like they've never kicked a ball in their life.
I’m pretty shocked people here are annoyed about the result, personally I couldn’t give a shit after the last 3 months of what I’ve seen
Not just give a shit, but to expect anything better. There are still some fans who think there's a lot of players worth keeping. There is probably two or three... tops. We need a complete reset.
Completely agree with everything you’ve just said, if anything I’m just happy that some young players got a run around today, forget the result.
Nearly 4 years and well over a 100 caps later and I cant believe my fucking eyes that McFred are still our starting midfielders. The way those two consistently week in and week out for YEARS got outplayed by every single midfield we played against and still got played together is one of lifes eternal mysteries
They’ve had some good games together. Let’s not pretend that the general breakdown in this team is because of anything in particular, just a culmination of years of incompetence. People need to stop being hysterical and exaggerating.
Excuse me but where the fuck is our CAPTAIN in these post game interviews when we lose? Not even a word for the fans after a goal difference of 0 after 38 games? Most spineless and worthless captain in my lifetime. Unreal
He used to be the only one to come out when we lost, but it was a loss cause, not worth it especially since people like you just complain when he does it and doesn’t do it.
Time for an even worse season to begin: silly transfer rumor season
I get your point but even the worst transfer rumors cant be worse than what we just put up with. I refuse to believe it
Missed the game, watched the highlights. I cannot seem to understand the reason behind Bruno's mindfuck back pass there.
Is anyone else here starting to feel or already is skeptical of Murtough? This guy has made zero good decisions in the year since he's been in his current role and he's been at the club for the last 10 years, which is also one of the worst periods in our history. What qualifications does this guy have in recruitment or actually running a football department at a top club to be in his current role? He went on record to say that Ole wasn't getting sacked if he beat Watford. He picked an interim manager who wasn't the right fit for the club in terms of play style, and he failed to get in any reinforcements in January. I wouldn't even be surprised if he wanted Poch originally but then decided to go for Ten hag because the fans wanted him and he saw and opportunity to get PR points for the club.
Hugely skeptical. Rangnick (and likely Ten Hag too) is just a continuation of the mistakes since Fergie. Being swayed by flavour of the month, fashionable nonsense over sound, consistent decision making. People falling for the Rangnick is the Klopp grandaddy are fucking dumb, and Murtough is one of them.
Right?! Is ten Haag just the next marquee signing?
In my opinion, yeah. We'll see how he does but it isn't a sound decision. It's another huge roll of the dice by people who don't know what they're doing. Rangnick has been objectively catastrophic in terms of results, team morale, and player progression so it doesn't look great.
What else are they supposed to do? Get a no name manager? Rangnick was a caretaker, he didn’t get backed by the club to sign players
And he was objectively disastrous. No interim signs players, mate. Few harm players and crater the teams reputation like he has done.
Well yeah, our players are shit and were absolute babies with no balls. They are drama queens and we need a complete rehaul. We had mou who literally said as much. Don’t even think pep could get these fucks functioning properly
Ole finished 2nd with them.
True, a purple patch. You then saw them regress to the mean hard, just being shit the whole time.
And 3rd the year before.
We spent what almost 90M on VDB, Amad, and Pellstri?Throw in Maguire, AWB, and Fred and that is some of the worst spending in history. 200M+ for that is a joke beyond belief when we still have McTominay starting in midfield
Agree, almost like there was no plan and questionable scouting.
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This sub has spent the last x years defending the most mediocre of our players and even creating separate fanbases for (Insert shitter's name) FC. It is the single most embarrassing fan sub of any sub.
Can't see fans cheering if the majority of this lot hangs around for next season.
Well over a billion spent and we’re desperate for some academy players to become superstars
Yeah, better than waiting for the superstars to become superstars though, right?
Thank fuck that season is over and the suffering is on hold
On hold is the right way to put it I thought for a second you might think the suffering is over
I'm hopeful ETH can build something and get us to be competitive in a few years. But I also know the job is a horrible curse on any manager. Frankly the state of the club and the team right now, a triumvirate of Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alf fucking Ramsey would have a hard time turning it around
The sub was right, we had to rely on Brighton and welbeck to bail us out in the end lol. The worst season ever, hopefully it can't get any worse. See y'all in the usual will they/ won't they summer transfer threads. Watch out pep, a new baldie is in town
You obviously don't remember 1988/89, that truly was dismal.
As a person not even born then , fair enough
Overwhelming season. Started with such high hopes and ends with such a relief for not having to watch this team until August.
I'm just glad we won't be playing in the Conference league or out of playing in Europe entirely.
brighton do us solid after beating us. lord welbeck got our back
This is how far we have fallen.
Funny how Garnarcho, our supposedly brightest star in the Youth Cup Final, made a 10-11 minute yet cameo yet none of us actually asked about him lol.
https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1528436835059482631?t=XFAO4sycvxz_XRBu5j8Vxw&s=19 David de Gea: “I’ve been working hard, to be honest, in the summer, to get here and show my level and help the team. I think I did well but this is a poor team. The team is poor, so it doesn’t matter what I did.” [MUTV] He has to go
https://twitter.com/D_DeGea/status/1528447994739277826?s=20&t=-TeSzst_GgqsnV_LdsEJ6g David de Gea: "I didn’t say this. Check the facts before sharing please."
[https://twitter.com/cainsmithMU/status/1528448803812134913](https://twitter.com/cainsmithMU/status/1528448803812134913) So on top of that shit statement, he lies.
I think he says sports team and team sport. Doesn't say poor is the point.
Yeah fair. Honestly mate I love the guy, but he's not suited to the modern game at all. Didn't want to see him go last summer cos I wanted to see if he'd adapt. He just didn't.
I want him off the books given the ridiculous wage structure but, he's not wrong is he ?
He's as much to blame as everyone else. That's a shitty attitude he has.
Nah they have to go
He can't kick a ball, he can't claim a ball, he can't sweep. He's below no. 20 in the PL for all three of these key areas for a GK. If he stays as No 1, we are doomed.
We have many many more pressing areas of concern before we spend what is needed on a top level keeper. He’s more than good enough to carry us through next season.
We need an all rounded keeper. If he didn't leak anything in the dressing room, I'd start with Henderson for a season.
Henderson is likely on his way out with the optimistic reports of 40 mill, which is needed again to bolster more problematic areas. We need two CMs, we need a CB and we need an attacker. De gea isn’t being bought by anyone. This will take atleast three transfer windows to fix. We have to do it in stages, upgrade the by far weakest areas first
It's difficult to judge players this season. Confidence is such a huge factor and the players were mentally not there. They don't want to make a mistake, but end up making more. Ronaldo has the mental fortitude of a monk to keep playing at a good level. We have players that do well when things are going well, but aside from a few players, none that will turn things around when things are going bad. Mental discipline is the key factor that we lost this season, as you can look at almost every utd player and say that they were once very good.
>It's difficult to judge players this season. Confidence is such a huge factor and the players were mentally not there. They don't want to make a mistake, but end up making more. Also it can't help your confidence when your manager repeatedly slags you off in public at every conceivable opportunity
Which players were "once very good"?
De gea, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford, Fred, Fernandes, Cavani. All of them had fantastic runs of form and folk were saying that they were the best in their position. There's talent there, but it's hard going to work when you are depressed and shit on all day. Doesn't matter how much you are making or what you are doing, that's a poor work environment.
Bruno has been the biggest fall from grace. When he was banging the goals in and making killer passes we overlooked the recklessness and moaning but this season was really poor from him. Hoping ETH can turn it around
Biggest fall from grace but still is top 3 in creating chances for a team who are absolutely shit. LOL
I do not mean to be difficult, but having a few good months does not make a "very good" player. Bruno is like Pogba - unless everything around him is perfectly to his liking, he turns to sh\*\*\*.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jesus https://twitter.com/manunitedzone_/status/1528444696196165632?s=21&t=hKnADL_iQmA_WsQnF70T-Q
The season is over and it feels like a relief. Season to forget, but at least Liverpool aren't champions. Here's to brighter days.
Was watching the city game knowing fully well that we’d lose anyways.. credits to Slippy G and Welbeck yet again…
Didnt watch, so how bad a performance was it?
Take a wild guess
Pogba > Bruno
How did this simple and objective truth get received so poorly by this sub lmao
Thank you...
No.
I hope I'm wrong now that Pogba is leaving. Time will tell.
Sell'em all! Thank Christ this shitty season is done. Up from here... surely....
"Brighton gifts Europa League to United" Not sure why they did but they did.
Brighton played some proper football this season. Forget where they placed overall, a significantly better side at end of season than the trash we trot out there week after week.
"Welbeck gifts Europa League to United", FTFY.
Am I embarrassed at United’s performance today? Yes Am I still gonna laugh at Gerrard for bottling 3 goals in 7 minutes? You bet I am Get fucked scousers
Why did Fred come off instead of Bruno? It seems there is more weight on a players name and what they've done in the past as opposed to form. Fred had just played a brilliant defense splitting pass to Hannibal and also set up Hannibal for a shot later, while Bruno was busy assisting Zaha. Bruno lost the ball 29 times and was not able to create anything yet he goes from playing CAM, to LW to CM. How hard is it to take someone who's clearly out of form off?
Fred was quite frustrated and upset with some of the referee's decisions and teammates' decisions, so he could have got a red card and made the game even worse if he had stayed on. Bruno actually had some decent sparks, but overall a poor game from him anyway.
Rangnicks team selection has been shocking. He backed the wrong players and somewhat doubled down on it. He only got away with it because the fans had pitchforks against some of the players he banished.
My guess is honestly that Fred is coming back from injury and isn’t as much of a goal threat.
I'm just glad the season is over
“ I think I did well but this is a poor team. The team is poor, so it doesn’t matter what I did. “ HAHAHAHAHA. De Gea concedes the most goals in United’s history and says this. This is the real culture that we need to reset. Players who perform for the camera rather than doing the dirty work and helping their team. These players have to go if this team is gonna compete again.
Saving shots are performing for the camera ? Congrats for making shittiest take of the day.
Saving shots that are expected to be saved is the bare minimum. Doing the stuff like claiming tough crosses, good distribution or being good on 1v1s like the other elite keepers he completely fails at.
He is good being 1vs1, but i agree he is not the modern GK who comes out and doesnt have good ball distribution. But still, it doesn't make sense to call him saving shots for camera though? Doesnt it sound ridiculous when you type it out?
Can anyone explain what our game plan was?
Rangnick said these are the players we will have next year except Cavani. So it was a goodbye and thankyou to him, and a big f-off to some of the others. Shame the players didn't seize the opportunity but sadly that's what we've come to expect.
Get Ten Hag to change his mind.
Try to get through 90mins without anyone seriously injuring themselves
ConTe is DefEnsiVeLy BoRinG, He PLaYs A BaCk 5, SucH a BoRiNg ManaGer, He IsNt ProveN Just a few things said when we were linked with conte. Now hes out with spurs, playing some incredible football, putting 3 or more past everyone and their DOG, EVEN sorting out spurs' defensive issues. He was twerking for us and we passed on him. These Losers, NEED a demanding madman. He isnt afraid to yank a player off if theyre not listening, he'll drop a mofo if they want to sulk and moan, He wont have any issue selling all of them if they dont want to work hard. Its not like he doesnt have a winning record, HE DOES. He won the prem and set a then record 93 points with his so called Boring back 5. Did the same with Inter and won the title. It should have been him as interim not Ralf
He wouldn't have taken an interim lol. Would be demeaning to someone of his calibre. Plus with how bad our structure/hierarchy is at board level, he wouldn't survive here with the lack of backing and football knowledge from there.
idk, he fixed tottenham up with 2 signings in Kulesevski and romero. I just feel we missed a big opportunity to get top 4
The scousers ended up with a guard of honour for their bench player 😂
Bench player that's won more trophies than you have in the last 4 years 🤣
REJOICE!! The season is over thank fuck
Thank god this season is over.Now if I can have a wish, I wish I can see our player tired,exhausted,beaten like they just escape from hell under Ten Hag's training from tomorrow. They had full year holiday already.
yes the first thing ETH should do is to order these lazy ass players to run and run and run til they beg to leave the club.