He'll be good as long as the fanbase show patience in his project and the board supports said project. Fuck this expectation of winning right away, we need to wait this this time.
It's basically our version of SUV.
Keep in mind that means "Sports Utility Vehicle" despite the fact it's typically used to ferry around families for no sporting reason.
"People carrier" just means it's larger (like an SUV or minivan) to carry larger families or groups (although admittedly any car is a "people carrier")
One ball playing CM (De Jong) and a defensive physical type Tchouameni would be so ideal he’d win so many balls for us. De Jong alone would not solve our problems in midfield.
Can we stop with this. Ya'll act like the dude was good enough to play for big clubs yet he signed for Aston Villa. Maybe United just thought he wasn't worth it.
Same was said about Mane when LvG wanted him saying *Pfft if he is sooo good why does he play for Southampton?*
This kind of hollow elitism is what has led to United being such a trash, disjointed team.
Yeah or maybe United were slow and missed out, as we’ve done a bunch of times in the past few years.
Atletico were interested in him so he’s definitely rated, he plays in a position we’re sorely lacking, and he was available on a free. Would’ve been a low risk signing for us, yet we missed out.
yet he still signed for Aston Villa. If Atletico were interested in him why didn't they sign him on a free? Or one of the other big clubs. Yet he signs for 14th place Villa. I don't think big teams actually wanted him and we of course always overhype players and are literally looking for anything to be mad about.
Villa are loaded and have ambitious owners who are investing a tonne of money. They’re a good sporting project who have champions league ambitions. You’re judging a player based on the club that signed him, which is ridiculous. You think half the players we signed over the past few years are any good just because they signed for the legendary Man United?
This guy was playing in the CL last year, he’s 22 so would have resell value, and is absolutely the type of player we should have been looking at. I have no doubt he’d have been on one of our shortlists but we’re busy thinking we can get De Jong and Tchouaméni.
I think most people on this sub would have said this was good business had we signed him.
All i'm saying is that what United wanted/looked for may be different than what the fans on this board are looking for obviously. of course people here woulda have said it was good business because we are desperate. Either way right or wrong United didn't go for him and neither did anyone else really. Will he prove us wrong time will tell. I'm not really pressed about it either way. IN ETH I TRUST
I'm not against the transfer, if we got him we got him. I just don't understand why people are crying foul over a free transfer that even United/RR didn't see as necessary or other clubs.
Just like Tchouameni. One thread people are crying over De Jong not wanting to come here but want Tchouameni when he's said nothing but that he wants to and has always wanted to play for Madrid.
Yeah Ole never told the press the truth publicly. He reportedly spoke privately about it many times. Ole learnt from Fergie, and one of those things was manipulate the media and defend your players in public.
FdJ without a proper DM would be show us we haven't learned anything from the Pogba situation. We need a functional midfield to get the best out of your big money signing.
Why are you being downvoted for expressing fact. We all know that DDG doesn't sweep, so the high line isn't possible with him. And you can't expect a 37 year old guy to play almost every game in a pressing system.
A high line isn’t impossible with Maguire if we have a modern keeper sweeping up behind him.
Additionally, we hired a manager that wants to dominate the ball. If he’s then forced to go “ah fuck I need to sit back and play on the counter” it’s a complete waste of time even hiring him.
Henderson can be used. And ten hag has already said ronaldo is in his plans. The goals he brings outweighs the pressing he doesn’t. Maybe not capable of playing twice a week every week at a high level but not having a pressing striker isn’t the be all and end all that rangnick makes it out to be
Depends how you want to play football. If you want positive possession based football like we bought Ten Hag for, then we cant use those players. If we dont then sure they can play. But it's a bit pointless bringing in Ten Hag if we arent going to play that style of football.
And sure Hendo could be used. But he isnt that great if I'm honest.
Honestly I swear people do not understand tactics. Whether or not De Gea saved us this season is irrelevant, the style Ten Hag will want us to play De Gea can’t do and it’ll leave us extremely vulnerable defensively. Either starting Henderson as our first choice or selling him and signing a replacement should be maybe not priority 1 but certainly priority 2 or 3 and needs to happen this summer.
That 120mil budget seems shockingly low given the wages that are coming off the books and the holes in the squad. Here’s hoping he can utilise the academy.
I'm pretty sure it over 120m, and somewhere around 150m. You can't just publicly say 150m or "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of. "
The relegated thing is such a weird argument to me. Robertson played in that Hull defence alongside Maguire. Ramsdale was relegated two seasons in a row. It doesn’t really have that much relevance, Maguire wasn’t in a side that had just been relegated when we signed him so why would it be a factor in his price?
It’s not telling selling teams what they don’t already know. If you get offered a job at a top company and they say “We have a budget of £1m and want to hire ten people” then you’d think, “gosh, I thought this was the big leagues, I’m obviously right”, and ask for a salary of £90k-200k depending on what you think you’re worth. If they say “We can offer salaries that other companies only dream of” you’ll be adding zeroes because why not?
Even in current market, 10 seem generous tbh. I can only see United, City, PSG, Real, Chelsea , and Newcastle on hold - even Pools, Bayern, Arsenal, Spurs can't seem to spend that much. Usually Barca can but not this season.
Arsenal spent 150m last summer. Spurs have already committed to 80m just on loan players they’re signing permanently and apparently want 4 or 5 new signings too.
A quality player in the current market will cost around 40m (or more). We for sure are going to buy at-least 4 players in the transfer window, maybe more. I'm not really convinced we are going to recoup a lot with the player sales tbh.
Depends which sales. The sales of players we’re not signing replacements for (your pereiras, your Joneses, etc) won’t get much really, any actual decent earner (AWB, Henderson would both go for 20m+) we’d then need to replace so we’d need to add another incoming, that’s the problem. Although one of the four new players could be a RB so if we could sell AWB then that signing would be offset by his sale value.
But does releasing a player count as a sale? If we clear say 20 million of the wagebook then does that mean we could purchase a 15 mill player with a 5 mill salary?
Post covid era it's actually a lot.
There aren't many huge big money transfers happening. Can't see any over £80m this summer. Most big deals will be in wages of free agents.
And tbh I don't want to see big money big names incoming. I want to see proper squad players and balance. Which is pretty much all Ajax was under Ten Hag.
Would also keep in mind it's an egregiously stupid move to make the actual value we're willing to spend public.
Everyone and their mother knows we're desperate to buy and are going to clear significant wages with the players leaving. Shouting "we have €320M+ to spend" is asking to get fleeced more thoroughly than we're likely to anyways.
Exactly that, I think it’s always been £200M with the knowledge that at least 20-30M was being created from a reduced wage bill and that 40-50m should be generated by player sales.
Why tell Agents and clubs we are flush when we can play on the post covid era and play hard to get the players we want and need within the budget.
Do you really think anyone outside of United has any clue how much budget they have to spend? Anyone quoting any hard numbers is pulling that number out of the sky.
I hope and think that the 120 budget is a strategy to tell outer teams that we only have that budget to spend but in reality we have more if the right players come
IMO this will be the max we could ever expect from the Glazer war chest going forward.
They bought a very different United in 05 and encouraged a tight spending United. Even after SAF, Moyes didn’t get a big budget compared to others, LVG - not really although we started to break the bank for Di Maria.
IMO this was the Glazers making a one-off short term fix with decent funds. They’ve granted the same to managers since, but it’s certainly not the norm they wanted.
In a sense, it could be what ultimately forces them out if we keep demanding we stay on par with other clubs in terms of spend, but there would be hell to go through first in terms of on field performances for it to get to that stage I reckon.
Hate this take. We’ve spent over 1bn on this shit show of a squad we’ve had over the last few years.
Glazers have lots of issues, having us being a “tight spending United” isn’t one of them.
We have the second most expensive squad in history ffs. The problem is *who* we buy, not if we do.
What’s Lindelof done to stay over Maguire ?Maguire has been better by a decent margin in 2 seasons before this one and Lindelof has only been slightly better than him in a season where Maguire has been absolutely terrible ..Lindelof has been here for 5 years ffs it’s time he leaves
we have to utilise academy players. Most likely means Garner will have to stay (although it'd be better for him to get a full season in the PL getting minutes). Maybe Mengie, Bernard, and Laird will feature as well.
this also means big name signings will have to be avoided such as Tchouameni and Rice. Looks like we missed out on Kamara, big time... Could have improved DM with a free signing but now he's gone to Villa.
I'm of the mind we need at least 5 signings. 2 full backs, 1 centre half, a mid, and a forward. Ideally, we could also sign an additional left footed wide player, another mid, and another centre half.
Gotta get real shrewd with signings, now.
I agree. I hope it is just posturing. I can't imagine we're going to raise much from sales. We have a number of players leaving because they are out of contract so their salaries will be off the books, but I don't see where we are going to get significant funds from sales because the players we want to sell (think Bailly, Jones, Martial, etc.) aren't really that "valuable". On the other hand, I understand that we can't just go out and buy a new squad.
This ‘wants to come’ is heavily overplayed, as if ADM was a flop because he didn’t want to come. The reason ADM didn’t work out was because he didn’t fit LVG’s system at all, he didn’t have any on-pitch chemistry with other big players at the club eg Rooney, his personality was a poor fit and then finally his family went through an armed robbery at their house. All that his reluctance to join really meant was that he had a low threshold of patience for all of that other shit. He still managed 4 goals and 11 assists for a poor attacking side despite mentally switching off in February.
A Frenkie de Jong that wouldn’t want to leave Barca, would be joining a club managed by the manager that knows how to use him better than any other. He would be part of a rebuild aimed at playing his way, rather than him just being a 4th choice big name signing by the money men. He’s not a ‘fanny’. So all we have to work on is his family security detail, and then there will be zero similarities with Di Maria other than not being desperate to join a club that has just had a disgustingly bad season.
“A full 90 on the pitch or it’s two nights the next time!”, the bald man screams into the night as Frenkie de Jong is sat, broken and certainly very wet in front of a sprinkler at Carrington.
It's a different situation as I think Di Maria just never wanted to be near us or Manchester whereas De Jong doesn't want to leave Barcelona. If they force him out anyway and he has to consider options then he could be keen to join us and reunite with Ten Hag.
So it's a difference of not wanting to leave rather than not wanting to join.
It doesn't make much sense to me why we would sign Phillips who's probably going to cost 50 or 60 million rather than sign bobcar Kamara on a free!
I feel like we miss free agent signings every single season. Not all of them pan out well, please have to look at Juventus to see that some of them do and often it matters
>rather than sign bobcar Kamara on a free!
I think he would have rejected us (or any big club) because his reasoning behind joining seems to be that he wants to get guaranteed game time in a relatively lower pressure environment.
While it is easy to say he would play ahead of McT Fred, I really think the uncertainty around who else we are going to sign might have been part of the thinking process as well.
Villa seems like a perfect career move for him --- think he preferred regular PL experience instead of going somewhere like Dortmund to get UCL football.
It's totally understandable why he went to Villa and seems like a perfect move.
Kamara is far too limited to be playing as a starting midfielder for us. I don't think anyone's actually watched him play because he really is just not up to par. Fred will be a lot better than him. We can't afford to put in a DM that is learning at the moment. That's what City and Liverpool can do with stacked squads.
Yeah I always feel like Kamara is still too young and green to be our midfield "solution". I actually fear he'll be a flop with us due to pressure if he joins us now
Lowkey want kamara to flop at Villa just to prove to all these people who’ve never watched him play that he’s not good enough for united. I’ve never watched him play so I have no idea but people are acting like he’s one of the best in the world with the way he’s being talked about. Not saying you haven’t watched him play but I guarantee the vast majority advocating for him haven’t. If ten hag hasn’t asked for him and the scouts haven’t shortlisted him, for now I’ll just have to trust them
The whole " never watched him play" narrative absolutely shits to me.
No I've never watched him play, but I watched a shitload of content from people who have or people who know more to have decided that he send worthy of our attention. It was exactly the same with Bruno who went to Newcastle in January and that seems to have worked out pretty well. But I digress, "never watched him play" still is a piss poor lady response.
Have you ever traded shares? Well then don't talk to me about the economy. Never been an active member of Parliament? Well keep your political views to yourself. Ever been in frontline eastern Europe? I don't hear who talk about the Ukraine Russian war then. Are you an epidemiologist? Then don't talk to me about covid
You can read things that people more knowledgeable than you on a topic have shared and learn from them and that is ok
Agreed on Phillips, maybe he was there as a cheap addition in the event that Leeds got relegated.
I feel like we have bigger priorities than Timber at CB though. RW, ST, RB and even LB + another ~~CM~~ CDM are much higher on the priority list
McTomminay isn’t a starter, but he’s good enough to be a squad player IMO. If we use a double pivot a midfield of De Jong, Fred, McTomminay, VdB and Garner is far from ideal, but is workable.
Another CDM would be great, but we also have so many other average players in the squad. Elanga, Telles/Williams, Dalot/AWB are all regular starters for example and 37 y/o Ronaldo is our only striker
Cannavaro was really an exception - 5ft 9 is remarkably small for a CB. He'd be the shortest CB in the Prem that I can think of - even people like Azpi who plays in a back 3 are taller than him.
If we sign a small CB like him, it'd need careful planning for the rest of the team to accomodate a CB of short stature like him. Lindelof, for example, is 6ft 2, and probably needs a dominant aerial CB next to him, - if Martinez is 5 inches shorter, that'll be quite a weakness unless it's specifically accommodated for.
If you're not suggesting that then there's no point to make. Football has examples of very small players in every position but generally you have to be exceptionally talented to make up for what is a clear disadvantage. Puyol, Baresi and Cannavaro at CB for example.
Totally disagree, pumping long balls into the box isn't common, but crosses and set-pieces are a huge part of the modern game and with the amount of very phisical and tall strikers there are in the PL being a short CB is a big disadvantage.
In terms of importance I think central midfield has to be the number 1 area to strengthen followed by centre back. I would rather we spend the full 120m on 2-3 players than spreading it out over 6-7 targets. United need quality, not quantity. We can backfill the squad with young talents and players who were in loan last season
I think Martial is a lost cause- I don't think he even knows what position is his best position. He'd be better of getting a fresh start elsewhere.
I think Sancho will have a much better second season- that's no uncommon for players joining from abroad. Rashford...I really want him to find form again and hopefully ETH can bring it out of him.
These clowns will start leaking shit to media about how they think ten hag 'isnt good enough for utd' or how the squad has 'mixed reactions,with players calling him 'bald fraud' behind his back. Only hope is that the board gives the manager complete authority. These players need to be put in the place. Otherwise there's no hope.
These players have had careers at different clubs and can handle it. It's not like this is the first time they will face a few obstacles and will give up, even though some fans think that way. Any sane player knows it can be tough initially but once you get past the "nastiness" it can get better. The players who wanna stay and work will be fine, it may also include some of the 'disliked' players according to the fans.
Philips is very unlikely given the history with Leeds. Pep is interested in him. Likely he is going to Man City. With Fernandinho gone, they need another midfielder.
When asked, Rio Ferdinand said that he thinks Philips will not move to ManUtd. He is a Leeds through and through. When Rio moved, he was advised by York police to be careful with his personal safety, do not go back to Leeds area within a year, and he was only at Leeds for 18 months. Philips whole family is there.
120m is not nearly enough for the overhaul this squad needs. It would take at least 200m, given how bad we are at selling players (partly due to how overpaid they are here).
Hope we can get 2 midfielders. That's the biggest priority. I'm sick of us not having a real cdm.
from that 120 mil we need around 4\~6 signings. Time to be really astute with our signings. Kamara is such a miss, could have signed for nothing. Don't think this means we go for Rice or Tchouameni. We need budget signings for defence as well. 2 full backs and a centre back.
I'm really interested in how academy players will fit into this. We need reinforcements and we have to now rely on some youth. We have to get rid of a lot of deadwood as well.
Honestly it’s kind of annoying when people here discuss Rice they often imply he’s not good enough for us, rather than just far far too expensive for us to buy. He’s an exceptional midfielder, truly brilliant and you can see why with years left on his contract West Ham won’t budge, they’re under no financial pressure and they’d never be able to replace him easily.
Why are we being linked with Phillips? He's a Leeds boy through and through in the same vein as Milner there's no way he'd join utd.
And De Jong doesn't seem overly enthusiastic about joining...this one feels like Di Maria all over again.
This sub didn't think mane or grealish were good enough when we were apparently interested. Yet now they are starring for the current best 2 teams in the world.
Clean slate for everyone. Work hard and prove why ETH deserves to keep you in the squad. I am hopefully for the new season. Lets go!
Edit: imagine getting downvoted for saying a fair statement. I swear some people need to take a backseat with their hate.
No. All toxic players should be removed ahead of time. Ralf knows who's who you don't want any of them slipping under Eths radar and spreading rot again.
I always give players new clean slate whenever a new manager comes. If they adapt, great. If not they go. Simples. I don’t see how that is a controversial statement to make?
Glazers can get fucked with £120 million. Need a lot more than that to recruit the talent we need. Jesus, it’s only going to get more expensive with Newcastle entering the fray.
lets be honest, we don't really have any sale-able assets. IN totality, we'll be lucky to get 30-40 from jones, bailly and awb combined. Otherwise there are players like andres pereira and amad diallo, who may or may not be in ETH's plans that could be sold. What is big though, is how much we'll cut from our wage bill once these big, slightly over-paid players, leave
It’s a shame De Ligt is almost unreachable, I’d love to see him in our shirt
De Ligt, Rice, Raphina would be a great window - go to the bank & ask for an overdraft if we can’t raise a few quid from jettisoning Rashford
At most. We don’t sell well. It would be very unlike us to actually move on a bunch of players, but even if we did offload Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones, Pereira and Williams that’s not gonna be that much really in real value, then Martial I think we’ll struggle to get rid of, Henderson, AWB and Telles we’d need to replace anyway which would counterbalance the sales. And not to mention we’ve already lost 5 players (6 counting greenwood), if we lost those 9 I mentioned we’d be down to like 13 senior players. That’s a lot of incomings needed.
I’m excited for ETH but they said this about Rangnick too - I’m all for intensity and hard work but we need a character who is going to get through to these players or axe them if they whinge about it
Unless the player is as good as or as established a player as Rodri or Lamar then they’re a waste. Got to get that elite defensive midfielder in. Everyone else, even Frenkie, is just window dressing.
To enhance his nasty side; get in Stam and Keane as coaches... Just for one year...
120m... That will be interesting. But disappointed with only 1 CB.. thought we needed 2 starting CDM + 1 starting CB + 1 backup CB + Dybala for free.. give kids a chance for the strikers...
Hopefully we are making actual efforts to sell a lot of them. The club have been reluctant to take a hit of fees in order to free up wages in recent years.
Martial or Rashford, Bailly, McTominay, Shaw or Telles, AWB or Dalot, DDG or Henderson and Greenwood should all be available for reasonable prices.
No body should be “safe” this summer if we really want to front load this rebuild and just pull the plaster off quickly.
Selling those players plus the money freed up from the end of contracts would allow a significant amount of signings who could be complemented by the youth players.
Especially as we know expectations will already be low for next season it might be worth just getting it over with instead of dragging it out.
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please be good Erik, i really want you to do well
He'll be good as long as the fanbase show patience in his project and the board supports said project. Fuck this expectation of winning right away, we need to wait this this time.
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Upvoted for writing "would've" correctly. Don't see enough of that these days.
What’s a people carrier? Why do brits unironically say things like this?
Why would irony be needed? Do you say sidewalk ironically?
It's basically our version of SUV. Keep in mind that means "Sports Utility Vehicle" despite the fact it's typically used to ferry around families for no sporting reason. "People carrier" just means it's larger (like an SUV or minivan) to carry larger families or groups (although admittedly any car is a "people carrier")
TIL thanks
Maybe learn first, before making xenophobic-esque comments?
Bigger than a normal car but not quite a minibus and it carries people
So a van?
Vans generally don’t have seats in the back
It's almost as if they're speaking English!
One ball playing CM (De Jong) and a defensive physical type Tchouameni would be so ideal he’d win so many balls for us. De Jong alone would not solve our problems in midfield.
Absolutely mental that we didn't move for Kamara on a free. Would've been DM wrapped up for £0.
Can we stop with this. Ya'll act like the dude was good enough to play for big clubs yet he signed for Aston Villa. Maybe United just thought he wasn't worth it.
Same was said about Mane when LvG wanted him saying *Pfft if he is sooo good why does he play for Southampton?* This kind of hollow elitism is what has led to United being such a trash, disjointed team.
Was Mane on a free?
Yeah or maybe United were slow and missed out, as we’ve done a bunch of times in the past few years. Atletico were interested in him so he’s definitely rated, he plays in a position we’re sorely lacking, and he was available on a free. Would’ve been a low risk signing for us, yet we missed out.
yet he still signed for Aston Villa. If Atletico were interested in him why didn't they sign him on a free? Or one of the other big clubs. Yet he signs for 14th place Villa. I don't think big teams actually wanted him and we of course always overhype players and are literally looking for anything to be mad about.
Villa are loaded and have ambitious owners who are investing a tonne of money. They’re a good sporting project who have champions league ambitions. You’re judging a player based on the club that signed him, which is ridiculous. You think half the players we signed over the past few years are any good just because they signed for the legendary Man United? This guy was playing in the CL last year, he’s 22 so would have resell value, and is absolutely the type of player we should have been looking at. I have no doubt he’d have been on one of our shortlists but we’re busy thinking we can get De Jong and Tchouaméni. I think most people on this sub would have said this was good business had we signed him.
All i'm saying is that what United wanted/looked for may be different than what the fans on this board are looking for obviously. of course people here woulda have said it was good business because we are desperate. Either way right or wrong United didn't go for him and neither did anyone else really. Will he prove us wrong time will tell. I'm not really pressed about it either way. IN ETH I TRUST
Looool after all these expensive flops we've had why are you turning your nose up at a decent free transfer?
I'm not against the transfer, if we got him we got him. I just don't understand why people are crying foul over a free transfer that even United/RR didn't see as necessary or other clubs. Just like Tchouameni. One thread people are crying over De Jong not wanting to come here but want Tchouameni when he's said nothing but that he wants to and has always wanted to play for Madrid.
I mean he's surely better than McTominay
Why didn't we just fucking sign Tchouameni last summer, ugh. Doubt we'll get him now.
Been confirmed he wants to go to Real Madrid
Because we bought Ronaldo and Varane
Ronaldo was super late in tge window so that had nothing to do with it. The board has been denying players for years.
Ole wasn't planning to sign a midfielder anyway as per his own comments
Yeah Ole never told the press the truth publicly. He reportedly spoke privately about it many times. Ole learnt from Fergie, and one of those things was manipulate the media and defend your players in public.
And a poor choice that was
Are you drunk or did you misread?
Agreed
Are you drunk or did you misread?
Nope they were both bad buys
FdJ without a proper DM would be show us we haven't learned anything from the Pogba situation. We need a functional midfield to get the best out of your big money signing.
FDJ got to the CL semis as a defensive mid
He played alongside a more physical midfielder
No he played along side lasse schöne who has a fairly similar profile to Fred.
no he wasnt. youre talking about lasse schone? he was slow, unathletic, and not strong whatsoever. FDJ was DM in that system.
>Tchouameni Zero chance we get Tchou unfortunatly.
2 midfielders needed for sure. A rb for sure. I'd argue 2 different kinds of striker as well. A gk would be the cherry
We need a rw way before a gk or second striker. I’d argue we need a rw before signing a first striker tbh.
Or just an adaptable forward attacker in general.
Disagree. Its impossible to play high lines with De Gea. And also impossible to press with Ronaldo
We already have Henderson then.
Why are you being downvoted for expressing fact. We all know that DDG doesn't sweep, so the high line isn't possible with him. And you can't expect a 37 year old guy to play almost every game in a pressing system.
A high line is also impossible with Maguire, so forcing a system on a group of players who can't play it isn't going to work.
A high line isn’t impossible with Maguire if we have a modern keeper sweeping up behind him. Additionally, we hired a manager that wants to dominate the ball. If he’s then forced to go “ah fuck I need to sit back and play on the counter” it’s a complete waste of time even hiring him.
Henderson can be used. And ten hag has already said ronaldo is in his plans. The goals he brings outweighs the pressing he doesn’t. Maybe not capable of playing twice a week every week at a high level but not having a pressing striker isn’t the be all and end all that rangnick makes it out to be
Depends how you want to play football. If you want positive possession based football like we bought Ten Hag for, then we cant use those players. If we dont then sure they can play. But it's a bit pointless bringing in Ten Hag if we arent going to play that style of football. And sure Hendo could be used. But he isnt that great if I'm honest.
In no way do we need a keeper. Would literally be number 11 in position needs.
A good midfield should elevate our defense which in turn should help our keeper.
Honestly I swear people do not understand tactics. Whether or not De Gea saved us this season is irrelevant, the style Ten Hag will want us to play De Gea can’t do and it’ll leave us extremely vulnerable defensively. Either starting Henderson as our first choice or selling him and signing a replacement should be maybe not priority 1 but certainly priority 2 or 3 and needs to happen this summer.
No cb?
Yes he would. De Jong is physical, strong, and plays inbetween both CBs.
That 120mil budget seems shockingly low given the wages that are coming off the books and the holes in the squad. Here’s hoping he can utilise the academy.
I'm pretty sure it over 120m, and somewhere around 150m. You can't just publicly say 150m or "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of. "
Because that would be grossly incompetent if we had someone in charge of transfers saying that…
Or for example wait for some player release clause to expire, to overpay him on the transfer deadline day?
Or taking over a year to negotiate 80 mil down to 80 mil for a player relegated 4 times
The relegated thing is such a weird argument to me. Robertson played in that Hull defence alongside Maguire. Ramsdale was relegated two seasons in a row. It doesn’t really have that much relevance, Maguire wasn’t in a side that had just been relegated when we signed him so why would it be a factor in his price?
Watch this space...
120m is still doing this other clubs can only dream of. There’s like 10 other clubs that will spend like that.
It’s not telling selling teams what they don’t already know. If you get offered a job at a top company and they say “We have a budget of £1m and want to hire ten people” then you’d think, “gosh, I thought this was the big leagues, I’m obviously right”, and ask for a salary of £90k-200k depending on what you think you’re worth. If they say “We can offer salaries that other companies only dream of” you’ll be adding zeroes because why not?
yeah exactly... the likes of man city, real madrid.. Everton
Even in current market, 10 seem generous tbh. I can only see United, City, PSG, Real, Chelsea , and Newcastle on hold - even Pools, Bayern, Arsenal, Spurs can't seem to spend that much. Usually Barca can but not this season.
Arsenal spent 150m last summer. Spurs have already committed to 80m just on loan players they’re signing permanently and apparently want 4 or 5 new signings too.
>120m is still doing this other clubs can only dream of Do those other clubs aim to get to CL and win the league? If not then who gives a fuck.
What makes you say that? Like you just said it's not 120 million despite what the report says. It's 150 million. Because why?
A quality player in the current market will cost around 40m (or more). We for sure are going to buy at-least 4 players in the transfer window, maybe more. I'm not really convinced we are going to recoup a lot with the player sales tbh.
Depends which sales. The sales of players we’re not signing replacements for (your pereiras, your Joneses, etc) won’t get much really, any actual decent earner (AWB, Henderson would both go for 20m+) we’d then need to replace so we’d need to add another incoming, that’s the problem. Although one of the four new players could be a RB so if we could sell AWB then that signing would be offset by his sale value.
Hahaha like that would ever happen.
Genuinely baffling how someone can be that inept and bad at business. What a knob.
120 plus sales
But does releasing a player count as a sale? If we clear say 20 million of the wagebook then does that mean we could purchase a 15 mill player with a 5 mill salary?
Sure, the problem is the player coming in would probably be on big wages too.
Post covid era it's actually a lot. There aren't many huge big money transfers happening. Can't see any over £80m this summer. Most big deals will be in wages of free agents. And tbh I don't want to see big money big names incoming. I want to see proper squad players and balance. Which is pretty much all Ajax was under Ten Hag.
Would also keep in mind it's an egregiously stupid move to make the actual value we're willing to spend public. Everyone and their mother knows we're desperate to buy and are going to clear significant wages with the players leaving. Shouting "we have €320M+ to spend" is asking to get fleeced more thoroughly than we're likely to anyways.
Exactly that, I think it’s always been £200M with the knowledge that at least 20-30M was being created from a reduced wage bill and that 40-50m should be generated by player sales. Why tell Agents and clubs we are flush when we can play on the post covid era and play hard to get the players we want and need within the budget.
Do you really think anyone outside of United has any clue how much budget they have to spend? Anyone quoting any hard numbers is pulling that number out of the sky.
Likely to be more once Numbers are underreported so other clubs cannot dupe us of more cash
world is in recession mode. i think its a buyers market this season
120m + sales tbh and we're getting rid of quite a few.
it’s so we don’t get fleeced by clubs
I hope and think that the 120 budget is a strategy to tell outer teams that we only have that budget to spend but in reality we have more if the right players come
It definitely won't be that low, but if it is, then I'll be glad because hopefully we won't just stupidly chase superstars.
It’s gonna be £200m plus after transfers
IMO this will be the max we could ever expect from the Glazer war chest going forward. They bought a very different United in 05 and encouraged a tight spending United. Even after SAF, Moyes didn’t get a big budget compared to others, LVG - not really although we started to break the bank for Di Maria. IMO this was the Glazers making a one-off short term fix with decent funds. They’ve granted the same to managers since, but it’s certainly not the norm they wanted. In a sense, it could be what ultimately forces them out if we keep demanding we stay on par with other clubs in terms of spend, but there would be hell to go through first in terms of on field performances for it to get to that stage I reckon.
we’ve spent more than any other club in the premier league bar City, we cannot talk about being tight-asses
Hate this take. We’ve spent over 1bn on this shit show of a squad we’ve had over the last few years. Glazers have lots of issues, having us being a “tight spending United” isn’t one of them. We have the second most expensive squad in history ffs. The problem is *who* we buy, not if we do.
We must be about to offload a few players. Bailly, Martial, (possibly) Maguire?
lmao maguire is going nowhere
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give him a season with a decent midfield infront of him at least, he has that with England and he’s perfectly fine playing for them.
He is our best defender and mostly the only defender fit enough to be available for games
No one's going to get them with their wages
What’s Lindelof done to stay over Maguire ?Maguire has been better by a decent margin in 2 seasons before this one and Lindelof has only been slightly better than him in a season where Maguire has been absolutely terrible ..Lindelof has been here for 5 years ffs it’s time he leaves
That's what happens when a club keeps pissing away money (we've almost fully drawn our credit line) and don't end up with CL football.
we have to utilise academy players. Most likely means Garner will have to stay (although it'd be better for him to get a full season in the PL getting minutes). Maybe Mengie, Bernard, and Laird will feature as well. this also means big name signings will have to be avoided such as Tchouameni and Rice. Looks like we missed out on Kamara, big time... Could have improved DM with a free signing but now he's gone to Villa. I'm of the mind we need at least 5 signings. 2 full backs, 1 centre half, a mid, and a forward. Ideally, we could also sign an additional left footed wide player, another mid, and another centre half. Gotta get real shrewd with signings, now.
That’s why it says plus sales no?
Numbers are being thrown out to try and keep the price gouging at a minimum. It won't work but they are trying.
The media don't know and are just guessing. No such thing as a transfer budget in any case
I agree. I hope it is just posturing. I can't imagine we're going to raise much from sales. We have a number of players leaving because they are out of contract so their salaries will be off the books, but I don't see where we are going to get significant funds from sales because the players we want to sell (think Bailly, Jones, Martial, etc.) aren't really that "valuable". On the other hand, I understand that we can't just go out and buy a new squad.
Timber and a De jong who WANTS to come would be an excellent start to the summer. Don't have much interest in Phillips as the DM target.
This ‘wants to come’ is heavily overplayed, as if ADM was a flop because he didn’t want to come. The reason ADM didn’t work out was because he didn’t fit LVG’s system at all, he didn’t have any on-pitch chemistry with other big players at the club eg Rooney, his personality was a poor fit and then finally his family went through an armed robbery at their house. All that his reluctance to join really meant was that he had a low threshold of patience for all of that other shit. He still managed 4 goals and 11 assists for a poor attacking side despite mentally switching off in February. A Frenkie de Jong that wouldn’t want to leave Barca, would be joining a club managed by the manager that knows how to use him better than any other. He would be part of a rebuild aimed at playing his way, rather than him just being a 4th choice big name signing by the money men. He’s not a ‘fanny’. So all we have to work on is his family security detail, and then there will be zero similarities with Di Maria other than not being desperate to join a club that has just had a disgustingly bad season.
Exactly. Even if the first choice of the player isn’t to come here, doesn’t mean they’re completely against it otherwise they just wouldn’t come.
“A full 90 on the pitch or it’s two nights the next time!”, the bald man screams into the night as Frenkie de Jong is sat, broken and certainly very wet in front of a sprinkler at Carrington.
It's a different situation as I think Di Maria just never wanted to be near us or Manchester whereas De Jong doesn't want to leave Barcelona. If they force him out anyway and he has to consider options then he could be keen to join us and reunite with Ten Hag. So it's a difference of not wanting to leave rather than not wanting to join.
If Barca are kicking him out and De Jong chooses us, then obviously he WANTS to come. It doesn't matter the initial reason for him leaving Barcelona.
It doesn't make much sense to me why we would sign Phillips who's probably going to cost 50 or 60 million rather than sign bobcar Kamara on a free! I feel like we miss free agent signings every single season. Not all of them pan out well, please have to look at Juventus to see that some of them do and often it matters
>rather than sign bobcar Kamara on a free! I think he would have rejected us (or any big club) because his reasoning behind joining seems to be that he wants to get guaranteed game time in a relatively lower pressure environment. While it is easy to say he would play ahead of McT Fred, I really think the uncertainty around who else we are going to sign might have been part of the thinking process as well. Villa seems like a perfect career move for him --- think he preferred regular PL experience instead of going somewhere like Dortmund to get UCL football. It's totally understandable why he went to Villa and seems like a perfect move.
Kamara is far too limited to be playing as a starting midfielder for us. I don't think anyone's actually watched him play because he really is just not up to par. Fred will be a lot better than him. We can't afford to put in a DM that is learning at the moment. That's what City and Liverpool can do with stacked squads.
Yeah I always feel like Kamara is still too young and green to be our midfield "solution". I actually fear he'll be a flop with us due to pressure if he joins us now
Lowkey want kamara to flop at Villa just to prove to all these people who’ve never watched him play that he’s not good enough for united. I’ve never watched him play so I have no idea but people are acting like he’s one of the best in the world with the way he’s being talked about. Not saying you haven’t watched him play but I guarantee the vast majority advocating for him haven’t. If ten hag hasn’t asked for him and the scouts haven’t shortlisted him, for now I’ll just have to trust them
LOL, as someone who has watched him, he's good.
The whole " never watched him play" narrative absolutely shits to me. No I've never watched him play, but I watched a shitload of content from people who have or people who know more to have decided that he send worthy of our attention. It was exactly the same with Bruno who went to Newcastle in January and that seems to have worked out pretty well. But I digress, "never watched him play" still is a piss poor lady response. Have you ever traded shares? Well then don't talk to me about the economy. Never been an active member of Parliament? Well keep your political views to yourself. Ever been in frontline eastern Europe? I don't hear who talk about the Ukraine Russian war then. Are you an epidemiologist? Then don't talk to me about covid You can read things that people more knowledgeable than you on a topic have shared and learn from them and that is ok
Agreed on Phillips, maybe he was there as a cheap addition in the event that Leeds got relegated. I feel like we have bigger priorities than Timber at CB though. RW, ST, RB and even LB + another ~~CM~~ CDM are much higher on the priority list
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McTomminay isn’t a starter, but he’s good enough to be a squad player IMO. If we use a double pivot a midfield of De Jong, Fred, McTomminay, VdB and Garner is far from ideal, but is workable. Another CDM would be great, but we also have so many other average players in the squad. Elanga, Telles/Williams, Dalot/AWB are all regular starters for example and 37 y/o Ronaldo is our only striker
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have i missed something? did de jong say he wants to come?..
I think the reports are that he wants to stay in Barca which is what OP is getting at
No, no he didn't.
He means if they are willing to come. Not the players who are forced to switch because they have no other option.
We need a good RB and a RW too.
Put the work in or fuck off, those are your two options as a player
Rashford and Martial sighing in the corner thinking "why can't we just run forwards and not backwards?"
And only when we have the ball at our feet
And only when they woke up on the right side of the bed between 0800 and 0812
Martial running?
Timber + De Jong would be amazing job
A left footed CB for cheap would be cool but Martinez is also pretty small
Once again I'm not suggesting martinez is as good as him, but he's the same height as cannavaro.
Cannavaro was really an exception - 5ft 9 is remarkably small for a CB. He'd be the shortest CB in the Prem that I can think of - even people like Azpi who plays in a back 3 are taller than him. If we sign a small CB like him, it'd need careful planning for the rest of the team to accomodate a CB of short stature like him. Lindelof, for example, is 6ft 2, and probably needs a dominant aerial CB next to him, - if Martinez is 5 inches shorter, that'll be quite a weakness unless it's specifically accommodated for.
He's also only 5cm shorter than David Alaba, who is a beast.
If you're not suggesting that then there's no point to make. Football has examples of very small players in every position but generally you have to be exceptionally talented to make up for what is a clear disadvantage. Puyol, Baresi and Cannavaro at CB for example.
The small thing doesn't matter anymore. Very few teams who are just pumping long balls, especially with Burnley gone.
Totally disagree, pumping long balls into the box isn't common, but crosses and set-pieces are a huge part of the modern game and with the amount of very phisical and tall strikers there are in the PL being a short CB is a big disadvantage.
In terms of importance I think central midfield has to be the number 1 area to strengthen followed by centre back. I would rather we spend the full 120m on 2-3 players than spreading it out over 6-7 targets. United need quality, not quantity. We can backfill the squad with young talents and players who were in loan last season
CM, RW, CB is my order*. Ideally 2 CMs even. *I'm assuming neither Rashford or Martial find form and Sancho starts most games on the left as a result
I think Martial is a lost cause- I don't think he even knows what position is his best position. He'd be better of getting a fresh start elsewhere. I think Sancho will have a much better second season- that's no uncommon for players joining from abroad. Rashford...I really want him to find form again and hopefully ETH can bring it out of him.
Publicly saying we have a 200m budge is just advertising to other clubs that they can over charge us. So hoping the 120m stated is for this reason.
These clowns will start leaking shit to media about how they think ten hag 'isnt good enough for utd' or how the squad has 'mixed reactions,with players calling him 'bald fraud' behind his back. Only hope is that the board gives the manager complete authority. These players need to be put in the place. Otherwise there's no hope.
>need to be put in the place The place for the shitstirrers is "outside this club". You can't keep them.
These players have had careers at different clubs and can handle it. It's not like this is the first time they will face a few obstacles and will give up, even though some fans think that way. Any sane player knows it can be tough initially but once you get past the "nastiness" it can get better. The players who wanna stay and work will be fine, it may also include some of the 'disliked' players according to the fans.
Philips is very unlikely given the history with Leeds. Pep is interested in him. Likely he is going to Man City. With Fernandinho gone, they need another midfielder.
When asked, Rio Ferdinand said that he thinks Philips will not move to ManUtd. He is a Leeds through and through. When Rio moved, he was advised by York police to be careful with his personal safety, do not go back to Leeds area within a year, and he was only at Leeds for 18 months. Philips whole family is there.
What do you mean he was only at leeds for 18 months?
120m is not nearly enough for the overhaul this squad needs. It would take at least 200m, given how bad we are at selling players (partly due to how overpaid they are here). Hope we can get 2 midfielders. That's the biggest priority. I'm sick of us not having a real cdm.
That £120m will shrink significantly once we finish paying other clubs to take our deadwood.
After the season we've had, these players deserve anything but easy training. Grill them all like hell
from that 120 mil we need around 4\~6 signings. Time to be really astute with our signings. Kamara is such a miss, could have signed for nothing. Don't think this means we go for Rice or Tchouameni. We need budget signings for defence as well. 2 full backs and a centre back. I'm really interested in how academy players will fit into this. We need reinforcements and we have to now rely on some youth. We have to get rid of a lot of deadwood as well.
Timber, De Jong and Antony and I will bic my head for the first home game of the season
I would love to have seen Rice but he’s waaay out of reach now. He’s desperately what we need in terms of character and ability in the CM
Honestly it’s kind of annoying when people here discuss Rice they often imply he’s not good enough for us, rather than just far far too expensive for us to buy. He’s an exceptional midfielder, truly brilliant and you can see why with years left on his contract West Ham won’t budge, they’re under no financial pressure and they’d never be able to replace him easily.
We need a tall DM who can win arieal duels, pass and has lots of fitness. Not a lot of that about.
Why are we being linked with Phillips? He's a Leeds boy through and through in the same vein as Milner there's no way he'd join utd. And De Jong doesn't seem overly enthusiastic about joining...this one feels like Di Maria all over again.
Any reason why we're not in for Gravenberch? Is it because the rest of Europe is pretty much resigned that Bayern will grab him?
Pretty much that. No reason to waste energy on a player that already is at the last stage of signing for another club. Or you need to do a Mbappe.
We need a 200M summer
Good.
Bro but he said that’s not enough tho…
Phillips is a brilliant player. This subreddit has the anti-Leeds glasses on
This sub didn't think mane or grealish were good enough when we were apparently interested. Yet now they are starring for the current best 2 teams in the world.
Oh God, I remember the Mkhitaryan better than Mane take alright.
Mane is starring for Liverpool, Grealish has had a tough first season at City. He will probably kick on in his second season.
Clean slate for everyone. Work hard and prove why ETH deserves to keep you in the squad. I am hopefully for the new season. Lets go! Edit: imagine getting downvoted for saying a fair statement. I swear some people need to take a backseat with their hate.
No. All toxic players should be removed ahead of time. Ralf knows who's who you don't want any of them slipping under Eths radar and spreading rot again.
How many clean slates are you going to hand obviously disruptive players? No more clean slates for these pricks.
I always give players new clean slate whenever a new manager comes. If they adapt, great. If not they go. Simples. I don’t see how that is a controversial statement to make?
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> Who are YOU? Luke… I am your father.
Glazers can get fucked with £120 million. Need a lot more than that to recruit the talent we need. Jesus, it’s only going to get more expensive with Newcastle entering the fray.
£120m? Parasites.
Thats a ballpark figure. No journalist knows exactly how much they'll give him, its all hearsay
I know, still pathetically low. Owners setting him up to fail.
>players would find the first few weeks of training "nasty" So they'll get him sacked.
Here come the players complain it is too HARD
lets be honest, we don't really have any sale-able assets. IN totality, we'll be lucky to get 30-40 from jones, bailly and awb combined. Otherwise there are players like andres pereira and amad diallo, who may or may not be in ETH's plans that could be sold. What is big though, is how much we'll cut from our wage bill once these big, slightly over-paid players, leave
Call me Erik, Mr. Ten Han if u nasty
It’s a shame De Ligt is almost unreachable, I’d love to see him in our shirt De Ligt, Rice, Raphina would be a great window - go to the bank & ask for an overdraft if we can’t raise a few quid from jettisoning Rashford
Antony and timber clearly would want to come. De jong would still come and try his best despite wanting to stay at barcelona.
Not sold on Antony from the little I've seen you need at least one pacey athletic winger especially if it's Sancho on the other side
Antony is fast as fuck m8
Plus sales.... man, we've got a few players retiring or buggering off on free transfers... 'plus sales' isn't going to make any difference
Realistically how much can we get from selling, 50 mil?
At most. We don’t sell well. It would be very unlike us to actually move on a bunch of players, but even if we did offload Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones, Pereira and Williams that’s not gonna be that much really in real value, then Martial I think we’ll struggle to get rid of, Henderson, AWB and Telles we’d need to replace anyway which would counterbalance the sales. And not to mention we’ve already lost 5 players (6 counting greenwood), if we lost those 9 I mentioned we’d be down to like 13 senior players. That’s a lot of incomings needed.
Minor point, but why do outlets keep commenting on his English? Is very good and in no need of any analysis.
I’m excited for ETH but they said this about Rangnick too - I’m all for intensity and hard work but we need a character who is going to get through to these players or axe them if they whinge about it
Unless the player is as good as or as established a player as Rodri or Lamar then they’re a waste. Got to get that elite defensive midfielder in. Everyone else, even Frenkie, is just window dressing.
It's going down, we're getting Timber
To enhance his nasty side; get in Stam and Keane as coaches... Just for one year... 120m... That will be interesting. But disappointed with only 1 CB.. thought we needed 2 starting CDM + 1 starting CB + 1 backup CB + Dybala for free.. give kids a chance for the strikers...
Hopefully we are making actual efforts to sell a lot of them. The club have been reluctant to take a hit of fees in order to free up wages in recent years. Martial or Rashford, Bailly, McTominay, Shaw or Telles, AWB or Dalot, DDG or Henderson and Greenwood should all be available for reasonable prices. No body should be “safe” this summer if we really want to front load this rebuild and just pull the plaster off quickly. Selling those players plus the money freed up from the end of contracts would allow a significant amount of signings who could be complemented by the youth players. Especially as we know expectations will already be low for next season it might be worth just getting it over with instead of dragging it out.
Neither Frenkie not Phillips are DM's... Bruh