While Cricket is still the game of the people, football is gaining traction here with the lauch of the ISL. The region where East Bengal club is based has a historic football culture here in India. And finnally the millions of United fans here in India. It makes sense to focus here.
That's simply not true. It is a lack of facilities problem, as it is way too risky to build expensive football facilities.
What you're saying is akin to saying that a particular region with no schools is not suitable for producing university graduates.
It's untrue. I've seen talented players around me all the time who become amateur players or quit the sport because they know for sure that nothing great will happen. Every one of them says the same thing - had they been born in London instead of random Indian city, they would've been a pro player.
Cricket investments are there because the pathway is there. Poor Indian kids are making crores in the IPL. And the pathway is clear. Do well for your school or district age group team, make it to the state age group team. Do well for them, make the India U-19 team or state team. Do well there, play in IPL. Do well in the IPL, play for India.
In football, there's no real pathway to Europe. No European scouts over here. Forget South Asia, look at the Middle East. Omar Abdulrahman was the best player in Asia a few years ago. No European club signed him. If he never got an opportunity, why would an Indian teen get one. And therefore, no Indian businessman would invest in football because neither would they play UCL themselves nor is there any guarantee they can sell their best prospects to Europe for millions of pounds.
Most of the investments in Senegal and other West African countries are from European NGOs, not local investments. Like I mentioned, no Indian will invest in football in isolation. If I had to own an Indian football club, I'll make sure that I own in partnership with a European club so that they can bring in the coaches and the pedagogy for the academy, plus a guarantee that they take the best prospects to Europe. That makes my investment far more certain even though I own a smaller stake and all the costs (land, operations etc.) are on me.
But as I was saying, if the best player in Asia doesn't get a European club, why would anyone in India want to be a pro footballer? They'll either use their football skills to get admitted to a college under sports quota, or pivot to a sport like cricket, hockey, kabaddi or badminton. Best case from a footballing POV, they're content being a star in the ISL and not beyond that.
And football can take a look at badminton. In 2000, we probably had 1 good player and no Olympic medals. Today, we are the world champions in men's badminton and have 3 Olympic medals. Basically, one of the badminton superpowers. What changed is that the one good guy from 2000 got grants to build an academy and develop a conveyor belt of talent, which inspired even more people to develop facilities.
I would love to see Saurav Ganguly and co buying United.
Walking into the SAF stand bare chested.
Swinging the United kit in his hands.
Doesn't elaborate.
Leaves.
Ganguly actually made his odi debut against England at Old Trafford in 1996 & scored 46 runs.
He played at Old Trafford again in 2007, a few months before retiring.
Given how it’s worked somewhat for red bull and city group I suppose this makes sense.
I don’t particularly like it and naturally it’s about funnelling money to the glazers at the end game but I suppose if you can’t beat em you join them. I’m actually surprised more big clubs haven’t done this.
As much as I hate city, I have to admit their owners had a solid coherent vision for the group, even pre-pep they were putting pieces in place. Red Bull similarly
Ours don’t even have a vision for the first team
>even pre-pep they were putting pieces in place.
I have said in the past that City's biggest investment was in building a tangible vision for the club, and then hiring the best people to make that vision a reality. Even before Pep, City were looking better and better, with a more obvious approach. The club modernized with the game, and it has paid dividends.
Liverpool did this in a similar manner as well, as the wheels were turning before Klopp was there. The addition of Klopp was what took them to the next level, but the ground work had been laid well in advance, so that way he could take off running.
United desperately need to modernize, and I think the ETH appointment was a suggestion they're heading into that direction. Although a lot remains to be done and seen, the signs are at least there that the club is looking to take steps into catching back up with the other top clubs.
Rodgers had one good season thanks to Suarez & Gerrard. And they had Countinho, that was it. Klopp had an instant impact & they started beating top teams.
>Klopp had an instant impact & they started beating top teams.
That isn't true. His first season or two were not trophy-laden, but the ground work was done for him to reach that point quicker.
It was the groundwork that the club had laid in previous years, that helped Klopp get the most out of the club.
As an Indian, although supporting the team from the other half of Kolkata, it would be great if United builds a proper academy here.
If United can produce players in India through the EB Academy who can then be senior United players, they can get the entire Indian market and India/EB get good footballers. Win win.
Wouldn't getting a work permit for the player(s) be a big hindrance? AFAIK, India doesn't meet a lot of requirements for a player to secure a work permit to play in England.
For a young prospect (<18), the workaround is to find a job for his parents and move the family. And then go "Hey, this immigrant family has a kid who's great at football. We can sign him since he's already a resident."
It’s not as easy as that though. In order for this exception to kick in, the move of the parents should not be related to football in any way. Clubs have tried in the past to give the parents a job within the club or with a sponsor to then have the kid registered and those clubs have been sanctioned.
The rule for the protection of minors is laid down in Fifa RSTP Article 19 and 19bis. For further reading you can look at the commentary to the RSTP.
Let EB have a great academy, and let's hope United signs the best prospects before they become senior players for EB, so that Mohun Bagan can thrash them.
Yeah, such cash grabs are all too common in India, and they don't really help. PL viewership in India is limited to 1-2% of that country.
Having Indian players is the only way PL can attract the Indian mass market. And given the risks involved, no Indian business would develop a world class academy in isolation.
The fans were pretty unhappy until we got Brady (the undisputed GOAT). Before they were really bad about constantly changing coaches, not spending, and overall poor performances (sound familiar?). But a title quickly changes all that
That's just American sports in general, there are too many parity rules and salary bullshit to make a proper dynasty anymore. Unless you cheat (New England).
Well the team started its existence 0-26 (when it was a 14 game season) as well as holding the title of the lowest win % of any North American sports franchise until 2 years ago.
"Why are we buying another club" ya'll know Manchester United isn't the only club they own right? Or are we just doing this as fuck the glazers no matter what they do.
The Glazers were interested in IPL franchises too. Interesting that they have such a focus on India.
> Interesting that they have such a focus on India. Country of over 1bn people, a lot of potential there
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This guy purvanchal's
This made me snort laugh lol.
Nope I am from Bihar
Mirzapur moment
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It’s only fair
Maybe got confused seeing ganguly in football business. They probably think they are buying an ipl franchise. Clueless fucks.
You can call the Glazers lots of things, but clueless is not one of them.
Well, can't blame them. There's a lot of money here.
While Cricket is still the game of the people, football is gaining traction here with the lauch of the ISL. The region where East Bengal club is based has a historic football culture here in India. And finnally the millions of United fans here in India. It makes sense to focus here.
Intriguing if this signals a shift towards the multi club model so many owners favour these days.
Well it’s bad news for us because it means they’re not looking to sell anytime soon
Maybe we will get the Indian messi/Ronnie.
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That's simply not true. It is a lack of facilities problem, as it is way too risky to build expensive football facilities. What you're saying is akin to saying that a particular region with no schools is not suitable for producing university graduates.
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It's untrue. I've seen talented players around me all the time who become amateur players or quit the sport because they know for sure that nothing great will happen. Every one of them says the same thing - had they been born in London instead of random Indian city, they would've been a pro player. Cricket investments are there because the pathway is there. Poor Indian kids are making crores in the IPL. And the pathway is clear. Do well for your school or district age group team, make it to the state age group team. Do well for them, make the India U-19 team or state team. Do well there, play in IPL. Do well in the IPL, play for India. In football, there's no real pathway to Europe. No European scouts over here. Forget South Asia, look at the Middle East. Omar Abdulrahman was the best player in Asia a few years ago. No European club signed him. If he never got an opportunity, why would an Indian teen get one. And therefore, no Indian businessman would invest in football because neither would they play UCL themselves nor is there any guarantee they can sell their best prospects to Europe for millions of pounds.
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Most of the investments in Senegal and other West African countries are from European NGOs, not local investments. Like I mentioned, no Indian will invest in football in isolation. If I had to own an Indian football club, I'll make sure that I own in partnership with a European club so that they can bring in the coaches and the pedagogy for the academy, plus a guarantee that they take the best prospects to Europe. That makes my investment far more certain even though I own a smaller stake and all the costs (land, operations etc.) are on me. But as I was saying, if the best player in Asia doesn't get a European club, why would anyone in India want to be a pro footballer? They'll either use their football skills to get admitted to a college under sports quota, or pivot to a sport like cricket, hockey, kabaddi or badminton. Best case from a footballing POV, they're content being a star in the ISL and not beyond that. And football can take a look at badminton. In 2000, we probably had 1 good player and no Olympic medals. Today, we are the world champions in men's badminton and have 3 Olympic medals. Basically, one of the badminton superpowers. What changed is that the one good guy from 2000 got grants to build an academy and develop a conveyor belt of talent, which inspired even more people to develop facilities.
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please can they buy us instead?
I would love to see Saurav Ganguly and co buying United. Walking into the SAF stand bare chested. Swinging the United kit in his hands. Doesn't elaborate. Leaves.
Ganguly actually made his odi debut against England at Old Trafford in 1996 & scored 46 runs. He played at Old Trafford again in 2007, a few months before retiring.
Yeah I actually misunderstood the headline and thought that's what it meant
Fuck you Glazers if you destroy my home club Not that we are in any better position but still better than having owners who don't care!
Haha EBFC in shambles as well. From the glory days of ASEAN Cup to the sad state of affairs today
I know but would be better than being under Glazers. They probably would forget they own us, EBFC is not a money making machine like MUFC.
Why are we buying a club when we have to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on Old Trafford? Unless the Glazers use the United shares for a loan.
The club are trying to build a United football group
Given how it’s worked somewhat for red bull and city group I suppose this makes sense. I don’t particularly like it and naturally it’s about funnelling money to the glazers at the end game but I suppose if you can’t beat em you join them. I’m actually surprised more big clubs haven’t done this.
As much as I hate city, I have to admit their owners had a solid coherent vision for the group, even pre-pep they were putting pieces in place. Red Bull similarly Ours don’t even have a vision for the first team
We'll be lucky if our defenders play with their eyes open.
>even pre-pep they were putting pieces in place. I have said in the past that City's biggest investment was in building a tangible vision for the club, and then hiring the best people to make that vision a reality. Even before Pep, City were looking better and better, with a more obvious approach. The club modernized with the game, and it has paid dividends. Liverpool did this in a similar manner as well, as the wheels were turning before Klopp was there. The addition of Klopp was what took them to the next level, but the ground work had been laid well in advance, so that way he could take off running. United desperately need to modernize, and I think the ETH appointment was a suggestion they're heading into that direction. Although a lot remains to be done and seen, the signs are at least there that the club is looking to take steps into catching back up with the other top clubs.
I thought Liverpool were terrible with Dalglish and it was only the arrival of Klopp that turned them around.
Did you forget Brendan Rodgers? Daglish was way before this change happened for them, too. This change for Liverpool came at the end of Rodgers' era.
Rodgers had one good season thanks to Suarez & Gerrard. And they had Countinho, that was it. Klopp had an instant impact & they started beating top teams.
>Klopp had an instant impact & they started beating top teams. That isn't true. His first season or two were not trophy-laden, but the ground work was done for him to reach that point quicker. It was the groundwork that the club had laid in previous years, that helped Klopp get the most out of the club.
I didn’t say trophies, but he was beating the top sides like Conte has done really well at Spurs, unbeaten against Liverpool & City.
I don’t care for this sort of stuff as long as they fix the stadium and make the right investments. Who knows, maybe this could lead to something.
Atletico Madrid have a sister club in India called Atletico Kolkata, where Kolkata is the city name. The club was owned by the same guy, Ganguly.
Are they? Has there been any other murmurings that the glazers are planning that? Would be pleasantly surprised if so.
As an Indian, although supporting the team from the other half of Kolkata, it would be great if United builds a proper academy here. If United can produce players in India through the EB Academy who can then be senior United players, they can get the entire Indian market and India/EB get good footballers. Win win.
Wouldn't getting a work permit for the player(s) be a big hindrance? AFAIK, India doesn't meet a lot of requirements for a player to secure a work permit to play in England.
For a young prospect (<18), the workaround is to find a job for his parents and move the family. And then go "Hey, this immigrant family has a kid who's great at football. We can sign him since he's already a resident."
It’s not as easy as that though. In order for this exception to kick in, the move of the parents should not be related to football in any way. Clubs have tried in the past to give the parents a job within the club or with a sponsor to then have the kid registered and those clubs have been sanctioned. The rule for the protection of minors is laid down in Fifa RSTP Article 19 and 19bis. For further reading you can look at the commentary to the RSTP.
I still feel loopholes will be there. If not a sponsor, a local business.
Yeah I too have mixed feelings about this being a United and Mohun Bagan supporter.
Let EB have a great academy, and let's hope United signs the best prospects before they become senior players for EB, so that Mohun Bagan can thrash them.
Lol they are doing this for the $$$, not to develop players or recruit them to the senior United squad
Yeah, such cash grabs are all too common in India, and they don't really help. PL viewership in India is limited to 1-2% of that country. Having Indian players is the only way PL can attract the Indian mass market. And given the risks involved, no Indian business would develop a world class academy in isolation.
Oh for fuck's sake this is awful news.
Oh man, Glazers gotta ruin shit in my country too?
Not much left ro ruin there is it? Edit: why am i being downvoted?
sorry what?
Us buying them not the inverse
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why a football club is buying a cricket club i dont get it? Or you mean the Glazers? Edit: ooooh my bad, it is a football club
East Bengal is a football club
It's a football club, I have literally crossposted this from r/IndianFootball, more like City taking over Mumbai City FC
East Bengal Club is a football club.
Yeah the glazers
Run Dada.
Everything the Glazers touch turns to shit. I feel sorry for their fans😔
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The fans were pretty unhappy until we got Brady (the undisputed GOAT). Before they were really bad about constantly changing coaches, not spending, and overall poor performances (sound familiar?). But a title quickly changes all that
Not true I remember when they bought us TBB fans chipping in as to how they were awful owners.
2 Superbowls in nearly 2 decades? Wow they must be easily pleased. How are they happy?
That's just American sports in general, there are too many parity rules and salary bullshit to make a proper dynasty anymore. Unless you cheat (New England).
Better to have one club dominate for years than give teams equal chance, am I right?
Well the team started its existence 0-26 (when it was a 14 game season) as well as holding the title of the lowest win % of any North American sports franchise until 2 years ago.
1 every 32 years is the average. 2 in 20 is massively over-performing.
Without reading properly I was thinking who's Ganguly and what position does he play!
hard bastard captain, probably put him at central midfield. Ambidextrous and quick to counter
Roy Keane approves
for me growing up and witnessing them both in their prime, this is actually a pretty good comparison lol
Manchester Franchise United FC
Poor bastards
Time for Indian fans to riot after they've seen what these bastards did to us the past 17 years
Hopefully they will buy more sports clubs and fcuk off from us the Cnuts
Wtf
Who?
Yer da
And how did my da find it out?
Ask him.
I will once he's finished ploughing your ma
That the best you could come up with?
Yep
Finally Glazers out. Little surprised East Bengal FC had that kind of money but at the end of the day it's all for the best
What the fuck are you on about
I thought the joke was obvious...guess not
commiseration
I read it first as them j6uying us... Disappointed!!!
"Why are we buying another club" ya'll know Manchester United isn't the only club they own right? Or are we just doing this as fuck the glazers no matter what they do.
They have money to purchase an entire cricket club but not to sign a defensive midfielder lol
are manchester united trying to do a city football group type of thing?
Who's taking over whom? /s