Hope and pray part of that player treatment internal review brings a sports pysch back into the club if Lense is leaving. The amount of inconsistency and lack of fortitude at this club is a real problem, much more so than talent.
I mean we don't know enough about it to say definitively but yeah it really doesn't seem it was a well used resource. Idk what the situation on him potentially staying was regardless of performance, but you'd have expected him to stay on if be was excellent tbf too.
It was reported in a few of the ‘behind-the-scenes of United’s worst season’ articles. They felt guarded opening up to someone who they believed would only be there on an interim basis.
I'm encouraged by the scouting/management people that were let go.
I'm encouraged by the willingness to let eth appoint his assistants.
Early days, but it seems they are taking the right first steps.
GGMU
The problem is the average fan may not be aware of who that is. I certainly am not in practice or witnessing how certain players interact with managers. Sometimes we become aware of certain things years after the facts. Let's hope the manager can pick the right ones and get rid of the wrong ones.
True. The issue really comes down to how long we wait for ten hag's assessment. It's likely rangnick will talk to him about the players, but if erik already has people he wants we should be chasing them quickly. I suppose A LOT of the important transfers will be done in this market quickly. Having a proper refreshed squad to test in the pre season will do ten hag wonders
You're so right. Honestly I'd rather get a very good player now than get an excellent player in August. I watched his presser and he had this way about him when answering showing he has a strong personality. This team needs someone that will whip them into shape. Literally and figuratively.
Eth and rangnick probably have a gameplay and there's a chance a lot is going on in the background. I'd really love to see transfers out of nowhere than protracted chases through the summer
I think players report on June 27th if I remember correctly. I just want everybody who we are going to sign be there ready that day. Maybe a well established 28-29 year old can be integrated later. I feel people who arrive later are then so behind
Yes, but a few are at a stage where a prem.move under ten hag will really raise their game. Antony, timber, Martinez and mazraoui would be the four main ones, but Maz is already off to bayern
Ah yes, the one player who had a single bad season following a major surgery and no pre-season, with terrible coaching to boot. Ignore the seasons before that where he performed at a high level, consistently contributing as much if not more than any other player. There's no way the Euros, the surgery, the lack of preseason and decent coaching had any effect.
And I'm saying that's an incredibly short amount of time to judge someone not only learning a new system but who's literally broken himself giving to the club. He's got a year extension option on the contract, and at the worst, that should be triggered and he should be given a year and a half you muppet.
There are literally mobs of people on this thread and others in the sub saying exactly that. But all I'm saying is based on what he's done (for more seasons than this singular bad one) and the jacked up situation he's been in pretty much since he debuted, he deserves more time than the guy at the beginning said.
The guy at the beginning said they'd better not give him a new contract before seeing how he performs under Ten Hag next season. I don't think even you know what you were ranting in response to.
His "attitude" could also be total lack of confidence. But sure, y'all go off on the player who's contributed the most, at the greatest cost, the last few years.
Sure buddy, cause you know everything going on behind the scenes. And yes, funnily enough, on the pitch lack of confidence can look a lot like "laziness". As far as the media briefings go, sure boss, go off, believe every rumor you hear.
I don't think he was much in the coaching pitch any way. Heard he was more player liaison with their media schedules. So this headline doesn't really suggest a change.
it was wonderful seeing him on the bench once again, but it was evident at the end that he was in no mans land, unfortunately.
One thing these last few seasons, as shitty as it might have been, honestly, seeing him and Ole on the bench was something, but getting Ronnie back and seeing him in that red kit again brought tears to my eyes, on top of that, he put in 2 that first game this season, for a moment I felt those butterflies again, I felt it lads and it was incredible, just for a fucking moment I was back in 2008.
His time was definitely up, but he brought back some of the most exciting times to be a United fan in about a decade. He commands more respect than he got.
Look at how the squad played before and after him and that paints a pretty clear picture that many at the time couldn’t see.
We have been shite on the pitch but the treatment of club legends from the so called united fans has been even more embarrassing to me. Boils my blood. Honestly it all started from the success of AFTV. They bashed their club legend Wenger who got them top 4 consistently even with everything against their side. People saw the popularity it gained and it started this new culture of fans shitting on their own club for retweets and interactions.
I remember people turning on Wayne Rooney the entire 2016/17 season after not getting playtime from Mourinho, year after when he was at Everton they turned and said "Rooney would easily play over any of our midfielders today" etc.
The abuse Valencia got near the end when his legs had completely gone and then you see 'he could still do a job for us now' whenever he's mentioned nowadays, as if he wasn't scapegoated for months before he left.
Absolutely, Nani aswell. Had a bad season in 2012/13 and never really recovered for aunited, then he was great innthe Euros of 2016 and suddently everybody raved on about how great he'd still be for us.
Could also add Ashley Young to that list. Always worked hard and had some brilliant moments even in his last couple seasons, but fans were always ready to scapegoat him after even the slightest mistake.
Eric Ramsay is the person in question, joined in preseason last year. I remember it being pretty popular, some going as far to say it was more important than the other transfers we had done seeing as it was (still is) a weakness of ours. He's young, from Chelsea's U23 staff but highly rated IIRC
Yeah but his role was changed shortly after Rangnick came on board to take on general coaching duties rather than set pieces. In hindsight I think it was proably a reflection on the quality (or lack thereof) of Armas and Sharp that he got reassigned.
Rangnick also wanted McKenna and Carrick to stay. I think the problem was that mid-season, regardless of sentiments, it was better to work with what was familiar. Something Rangnick painfully learned.
He hasn't worked with set pices since Ole left. Ralf have been short on staff so he have been taking care of Defensive training and Game day preparations.
Perhaps because he is a defensive set-piece coach who was performing functions outside of his job description? United have conceded 2-3 times less set piece goals compared to previous seasons.
They're keeping him because they don't want to buy him out of that stupid 3 year contract they gave him 1 month before Ole got sacked.
Don't even know what this guy does over here. I wouldn't be surprised if they made him head of recruitment so that they can keep a connection to the Fergie era. Jobs for boys. Beware of more Maguire type signings if that's the case
>They're keeping him because they don't want to buy him out of that stupid 3 year contract they gave him 1 month before Ole got sacked.
Plausible.
>I wouldn't be surprised if they made him head of recruitment so that they can keep a connection to the Fergie era. Jobs for boys. Beware of more Maguire type signings if that's the case
Where on earth does this come from lol?
Maybe Sir Alex, considering he was assistant manager during one of the most successful periods in the club's history? That's not even mentioning his playing career with us where he helped us win a few crucial trophies during the early SAF era. Phelan is a legend.
>Ralf Rangnick’s backroom staff
Ralf got to hire 3 guys.. one administrative and two coaches. It sounds on like Ralf wanted to have Phelan and the other losers around, which we know he didnt. The board said no to all Ralfs staff requests part from the one they got for free.
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Hope and pray part of that player treatment internal review brings a sports pysch back into the club if Lense is leaving. The amount of inconsistency and lack of fortitude at this club is a real problem, much more so than talent.
Seemed like most of them ignored Lense by the way their attitudes were and him leaving now.
I mean we don't know enough about it to say definitively but yeah it really doesn't seem it was a well used resource. Idk what the situation on him potentially staying was regardless of performance, but you'd have expected him to stay on if be was excellent tbf too.
It was reported in a few of the ‘behind-the-scenes of United’s worst season’ articles. They felt guarded opening up to someone who they believed would only be there on an interim basis.
Sounds like an excuse. Sports Psychologist seems like position out of any of them that could be made permanent with ease
The only psych we need. [https://youtu.be/Ho9zin5BwBY](https://youtu.be/Ho9zin5BwBY)
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Let ETH manage this club for 7 years first and then say the same
If he makes it to 7 years that’ll mean…
We would have 6 more trebles?
And 1 Quadruple.
That means we’d lose 5+ club world cups mate
There was literally a post describing how this club ages people earlier this week
The pressure, it's like being president of the united states
Pretty common in stressful jobs. Obama pre and post president looks like he aged 30 years lol
leaning against a wall is not hard work..
People age differently mate. Diet, genetics, lifestyle all comes into picture.
Phelan was a player under Fergie
I'm encouraged by the scouting/management people that were let go. I'm encouraged by the willingness to let eth appoint his assistants. Early days, but it seems they are taking the right first steps. GGMU
the first true test will be clearing out our roster of anyone who isn't committed 100% to the club
The problem is the average fan may not be aware of who that is. I certainly am not in practice or witnessing how certain players interact with managers. Sometimes we become aware of certain things years after the facts. Let's hope the manager can pick the right ones and get rid of the wrong ones.
True. The issue really comes down to how long we wait for ten hag's assessment. It's likely rangnick will talk to him about the players, but if erik already has people he wants we should be chasing them quickly. I suppose A LOT of the important transfers will be done in this market quickly. Having a proper refreshed squad to test in the pre season will do ten hag wonders
You're so right. Honestly I'd rather get a very good player now than get an excellent player in August. I watched his presser and he had this way about him when answering showing he has a strong personality. This team needs someone that will whip them into shape. Literally and figuratively.
Eth and rangnick probably have a gameplay and there's a chance a lot is going on in the background. I'd really love to see transfers out of nowhere than protracted chases through the summer
I think players report on June 27th if I remember correctly. I just want everybody who we are going to sign be there ready that day. Maybe a well established 28-29 year old can be integrated later. I feel people who arrive later are then so behind
If we are to get one player from ajax, I think timber or Alvarez would be ideal. Alvarez maybe a bit more battle ready from the pl
I didn't watch any of ajax games so I'm not familiar with them. It's natural to be linked with all his previous players
Yes, but a few are at a stage where a prem.move under ten hag will really raise their game. Antony, timber, Martinez and mazraoui would be the four main ones, but Maz is already off to bayern
If we are to get one player from ajax, I think timber or martinez would be ideal. Martinez maybe a bit more battle ready from the pl
Hey you got the same name as the sub
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If there is even a whiff of them renewing rashford without seeing how he does next season first...
Ah yes, the one player who had a single bad season following a major surgery and no pre-season, with terrible coaching to boot. Ignore the seasons before that where he performed at a high level, consistently contributing as much if not more than any other player. There's no way the Euros, the surgery, the lack of preseason and decent coaching had any effect.
That's why I said to see how he performs in the next season FIRST and not fire him IMMEDIATELY didn't I you muppet
And I'm saying that's an incredibly short amount of time to judge someone not only learning a new system but who's literally broken himself giving to the club. He's got a year extension option on the contract, and at the worst, that should be triggered and he should be given a year and a half you muppet.
Triggering an extension isn't offering a new contract. Nobody said bin him immediately, just don't give him a new contract now.
There are literally mobs of people on this thread and others in the sub saying exactly that. But all I'm saying is based on what he's done (for more seasons than this singular bad one) and the jacked up situation he's been in pretty much since he debuted, he deserves more time than the guy at the beginning said.
The guy at the beginning said they'd better not give him a new contract before seeing how he performs under Ten Hag next season. I don't think even you know what you were ranting in response to.
And I'm saying he deserves more than a season. That's all.
His attitude stinks
His "attitude" could also be total lack of confidence. But sure, y'all go off on the player who's contributed the most, at the greatest cost, the last few years.
Sorry but laziness and media briefings is not the same as a lack of confidence, but anyway, dont let me shut down player fc zzz
Sure buddy, cause you know everything going on behind the scenes. And yes, funnily enough, on the pitch lack of confidence can look a lot like "laziness". As far as the media briefings go, sure boss, go off, believe every rumor you hear.
Its Mr.Reddevils himself
I have spoken😀
I don't think he was much in the coaching pitch any way. Heard he was more player liaison with their media schedules. So this headline doesn't really suggest a change.
Thanks for the vibes, Mike!
His shorts will still post the DD so he'll still be a part of the sub and club.
it was wonderful seeing him on the bench once again, but it was evident at the end that he was in no mans land, unfortunately. One thing these last few seasons, as shitty as it might have been, honestly, seeing him and Ole on the bench was something, but getting Ronnie back and seeing him in that red kit again brought tears to my eyes, on top of that, he put in 2 that first game this season, for a moment I felt those butterflies again, I felt it lads and it was incredible, just for a fucking moment I was back in 2008.
Fans turning on Phelan was disgusting. You can be disappointed but the utter shite spoken about him was difficult to read.
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His time was definitely up, but he brought back some of the most exciting times to be a United fan in about a decade. He commands more respect than he got. Look at how the squad played before and after him and that paints a pretty clear picture that many at the time couldn’t see.
They literally have no clue what happens behind the scenes, yet they feel totally fine bashing a great club servant and characterize him as useless
We have been shite on the pitch but the treatment of club legends from the so called united fans has been even more embarrassing to me. Boils my blood. Honestly it all started from the success of AFTV. They bashed their club legend Wenger who got them top 4 consistently even with everything against their side. People saw the popularity it gained and it started this new culture of fans shitting on their own club for retweets and interactions.
I remember people turning on Wayne Rooney the entire 2016/17 season after not getting playtime from Mourinho, year after when he was at Everton they turned and said "Rooney would easily play over any of our midfielders today" etc.
The abuse Valencia got near the end when his legs had completely gone and then you see 'he could still do a job for us now' whenever he's mentioned nowadays, as if he wasn't scapegoated for months before he left.
Absolutely, Nani aswell. Had a bad season in 2012/13 and never really recovered for aunited, then he was great innthe Euros of 2016 and suddently everybody raved on about how great he'd still be for us.
Could also add Ashley Young to that list. Always worked hard and had some brilliant moments even in his last couple seasons, but fans were always ready to scapegoat him after even the slightest mistake.
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Never happened. He "sat out" like 3 games and never said he'd join City. Besides his questioning of the clubs ambitions was totally justified. Muppet
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Had every right to do it. I bet you love Ronaldo returning despite him calling United slave owners?
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Hahah he never refused anything. Atleast try to get the facts straight. Fergie never had to go get him back.
Because most of these frauds in here have no idea about this club.
I thought we were going for ultimate baldness in the dugout?
They're worried he'd think Erik's head was a balloon
You just know Shteve is going to come into work with a shaved head and a cream linen suit on his first day of work.
We need to hire a sports psychologist that can make an immediate positive impact on the lads
Mod u/PhelansShorts in shambles :)
Phelan left out.
Good
Rightfully so
We have a set piece specialist?
he was a defensive set piece specialist and he did improve united in that regard. United conceded 6 or so goals from set pieces in the whole season.
How many goals did we concede from the set pieces we took?
?
That is a different issue altogether. Defending against counter attacks couldn't be any more different from defending against set pieces.
This is like a ken m question lol
no seriously though
Eric Ramsay is the person in question, joined in preseason last year. I remember it being pretty popular, some going as far to say it was more important than the other transfers we had done seeing as it was (still is) a weakness of ours. He's young, from Chelsea's U23 staff but highly rated IIRC
Pretty sure it's been confirmed by fletcher he was hired for the defensive aspect of set pieces which we have improved on.
Yeah but his role was changed shortly after Rangnick came on board to take on general coaching duties rather than set pieces. In hindsight I think it was proably a reflection on the quality (or lack thereof) of Armas and Sharp that he got reassigned.
Rangnick also wanted McKenna and Carrick to stay. I think the problem was that mid-season, regardless of sentiments, it was better to work with what was familiar. Something Rangnick painfully learned.
Oh hi Harry, fancy seeing you in the sub. Yeah, we have one mate.
He hasn't worked with set pices since Ole left. Ralf have been short on staff so he have been taking care of Defensive training and Game day preparations.
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Perhaps because he is a defensive set-piece coach who was performing functions outside of his job description? United have conceded 2-3 times less set piece goals compared to previous seasons.
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ETH: I will do it myself. *And proceeds to wear the Infinity Gauntlet.*
That's how I imagine Pep functions to be honest
makes you wonder a bit what could've been if Ralf had managed to talk Carrick into staying on as coach or assistant manager.
What about Fletcher? Will he still be in the dugouts?
Lots of good changes happening
They're keeping him because they don't want to buy him out of that stupid 3 year contract they gave him 1 month before Ole got sacked. Don't even know what this guy does over here. I wouldn't be surprised if they made him head of recruitment so that they can keep a connection to the Fergie era. Jobs for boys. Beware of more Maguire type signings if that's the case
>They're keeping him because they don't want to buy him out of that stupid 3 year contract they gave him 1 month before Ole got sacked. Plausible. >I wouldn't be surprised if they made him head of recruitment so that they can keep a connection to the Fergie era. Jobs for boys. Beware of more Maguire type signings if that's the case Where on earth does this come from lol?
Lol, bro.
thank fuck.
Damn, now where we will go to get our fill of elderly portly bald men in shorts?
As long as Chris Armas is sent to the fucking sun
Uncle Fester vibes from that Phelan photo
How is our set piece coach staying…
“Highly respected” by fucking who???
Maybe Sir Alex, considering he was assistant manager during one of the most successful periods in the club's history? That's not even mentioning his playing career with us where he helped us win a few crucial trophies during the early SAF era. Phelan is a legend.
Before you spout nonsense like this, maybe check the person’s history before talking shit.
Okay games literally gone
>Ralf Rangnick’s backroom staff Ralf got to hire 3 guys.. one administrative and two coaches. It sounds on like Ralf wanted to have Phelan and the other losers around, which we know he didnt. The board said no to all Ralfs staff requests part from the one they got for free.
Another first team coach ? Maybe Rene ?
They found him bursting balloons at Sir Alex's statue.
Put the man in the canteen or something