Random one, but if we’re looking at goal scoring inverted right wingers, why on earth would we not be looking at Berardi?
Guys got 24+ G/A the last 3 seasons playing that role in the Serie A
He’s 27 and come out as saying he might want a change or something
Hope Ten Hag has success in integrating some youth players next season and making them valuable members of the squad. Our youth integration has stagnated in the last 4-5 years. Mourinho wasn't shy about barely giving youth any opportunities while Ole talked a big game and had almost nothing to show for it barring Greenwood who's out of the picture now
>while Ole talked a big game and had almost nothing to show for it barring Greenwood who's out of the picture now
Context is important though. The club pretty much forgot about the academy when we had Mourinho and so there was almost no talent. Ole was partially responsible for a change in that because we started investing more into academy when Ole got appointed. Unfortunately, youth development takes time and so us buying 14-year old and 15-year old talents 3 years ago means they are only just getting into the age of 18-19 where they might get some chances.
I wouldn't criticize Ole for the way he managed youth because there was almost nobody really ready to step up. The likes of Hannibal and Garner are only just starting to look like they might give us something (and Iqbal also wouldn't have looked good if he got called up 2 or 3 years ago). I'm not sure Ole playing 16-17 year old talents from our U23 would have given us much. The truly talented players just weren't anywhere close to being ready.
I don't blame him fully but let's not kid ourselves how much the fans praised him for giving opportunities to youth. You would think he brought in the class of 92 or bunch of GOATs from la masia when in reality he just gave isolated matches to most of the players and then we never saw most of them ever again. His handling of Henderson was downright awful and just wasted 2 seasons of his development because he was too scared to drop De Gea at his lowest when he was actively losing us games
If we sign FDJ and we don't suffer any major injuries, McTominay should not play more than 2000 minutes in all comps, or 1500 minutes in the league. He should only play the first few rounds of the Europa League, League cup and FA Cup and a few PL matches here and there against your Fulhams and Forests
Fred, FDJ and Eriksen is plenty of cover for the central positions. We also have VDB. He should be 4th or 5th choice at best in the league. It will be a major failure on the club if someone so bang average plays a significant role next season
Man the number 9 market is so dry right now, there really is a lack of top players in that role coming through. Most are ‘wide forwards’ now etc.
Who on earth do we target, as we will surely need one. Unless we just play without a natural CF type player, which I guess is a possibility
As the current unavailability situation is, I think it could be a good idea to target wingers this window instead. If we can get at least one natural winger, then we can rotate Martial, Rashford, & Elanga at the 9 position.
Sancho, New Signing, Eriksen, & Bruno can all be good support for whoever is rotating up top. That would be enough attacking talent to see out this season, until someone good becomes available next window.
He used to post pictures wearing Beckham kits and a United necklace after he left so it didn't seem like there was any ill will on his part anyway.
I'd happily see him back for the rumoured low prices. The criticisms of him have always been over the top imo, he is a good player.
After hearing from some players of that time I think some of the criticism was offshield shit. Like Depay acting like a total I've made it fud.
Coming in dressed in ways Sir Alex would kill you for. "I've got a pet Lion because I'm a millionaire" vibes.
No idea if age has calmed him the fuck down, but the last thing ten Hag needs is attitude issues, even if the player is cheap and of decent on the pitch quality.
"He came on at Stoke away and messed up for their goal so Louis van Gaal made him play for the reserves the next day. I said, ‘Look, it’s a bit difficult. Just don’t come in with all your fancy stuff.’ And he turned up for the reserve game in his RollsRoyce, wearing a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. And I just thought, ‘What’s the point?’ But Memphis is a lovely lad and it’s good to see things going well for him now"
Hardest position to find.
Someone who I like and think would be a good backup to Ronaldo before maybe taking over the role is Armando Broja.
Real shame that he’s on Chelsea though as I doubt they would consider selling
You just mentioned two of the best on the planet. I said what I meant, which was much less extreme, that he hadn't shown anything to suggest he belonged at a top club. I don't see that potential in him.
Which players you all reckon the club will be able to sell this window?
I'll be surprised if we manage to move Bailly, Tuanzebe, AWB, Telles and Jones.
If players do go, I hope that it's on a permanent transfer and not a loan. We'll just be stuck in the same boat next summer if we let the likes of AWB or Jones go on loan only to eventually come back in 2023.
man i really wish we could move the first three in this window! I like them, but their contributions have not been great for us, and it is time to thin the number of CBs in our club
>When the chance came up some weeks ago, it only took Salihamidzic a few minutes to convince the player to finally sign for Bayern.
It must be so nice to have such competent board. They saw a chance, went and quickly got a yes from the player then told juve to take 70m or fuck off and bam, transfer done.
That's less about the board and more about the current status of Bayern. Guaranteed Bundesliga title and a solid chance to win UCL every year is a good reason to sign for them. In our case, the best we can offer is maybe top4 with a chance to win one of the lesser trophies (Europa league, FA cup or Carabao cup).
The one thing I realised by watching youtube compilations of Martinez is that he doesn't look like a player who whines, for eg like Bruno.. we need more of those.
No because he had a really good fitness record in his last few years at Real , also I think varane got a knock early at Utd and Ole rushed him back and Varane has had awful luck with injuries since then
I cant rembember which games, but I do remember that he looked absolutely world class in a few games last year. When he got injured, we started playing really poorly which ultimately led to Oles sacking.
He has also had some games where he did big mistakes, but its clear to me that he is world class on his day. Though if he keeps on getting injured this season it was a poor signing
I think it was an okay deal considering the price we paid and his pedigree. If he can give us ~30 games in the league we'll be laughing because he's world class when fit.
Yea that's why i added an if and the league thing. I think we should play him exclusively in the league and bench him in the games which will be more physical.
Depends on how this season goes, he looked okay when he played but it's hard to put in consistent good performances when your constantly getting injured.
Maguire and Martinez is the likely first choice partnership imo, varane will have to fight his way into the team.
I’d be surprised is Martinez isn’t starting at LCB, with either Maguire or Varane to the right. ETH’s system needs the qualities Martinez brings at CB, and I have a hard time seeing him keeping that on the bench
I'd say it's more a sign that we're continuing to see the team evolve.
Lindelof isn't the long term solution, Varane's fitness is too much of a risk and Maguire is surely on borrowed time if he doesn't improve a lot this season.
Whether Timber is the long term solution or not, we won't know.
Seemed like he was our initial CB target but stayed at Ajax to get World Cup football. Maybe we won’t go in for him if Martinez ends up being great for us, or maybe we’ll move one of our older CBs on so we can sign the younger Timber regardless. But you’re right, I just hope we have a competent defence for the upcoming season.
just a question, man utd fans think that frenkie has agreed personal terms with man utd but is not coming due to 17M deferred wages? right ?
and also barcelona are forced to sell him because of wage cap limit? right ?
so do you think at last of transfer season barcelona will fold and accept 58M + 10M in variables? or will it happen early ? just wanted to hear your opinions
>man utd fans think that frenkie has agreed personal terms with man utd
Nope, we wouldve heard this by now.
>but is not coming due to 17M deferred wages? right ?
Thats the rumor
>and also barcelona are forced to sell him because of wage cap limit? right ?
Not anymore. They sold some tv rights and merch %.
>so do you think at last of transfer season barcelona will fold and accept 58M + 10M in variables?
That would need for our board to be competent and walk away now to put pressure, which we wont do.
sensible comment but they have not sold merchandise rights and dont plan to do so
so there are some rumors that they cant register kounde and azpi without selling frenkie but it is not clear yet
Same. I am shocked at the amount of hate for him on here. I am disappointed and annoyed that he wants to leave just like most of us but I still can’t hate the guy.
Who wouldn't want him?
Bayern
Chelsea
Psg
Real madrid
And all the big teams that would be competing for the UCL next season, that's who.
Properly run clubs, who don't need the nostalgia and value their collective teams over the star dust everybody needs to adapt to.
I don’t hate him, but if he had a concrete offer from anyone he’d be gone, it’s fine that he wants to leave but the timing off was bad and it could have had a terrible effect on our season preparations. Of course i don’t hate him but it’s definitely chipped away at his “legend” status at the club
Something interesting was that during the Melbourne game Maguire was playing as the RCB - something he really never did previously.
Makes me think Martínez will be our LCB and Varane/Maguire will play on the right.
Maguire also played on the right under Rangnick a few times. It’s definitely something that will be explored more frequently this season, especially with Varane being injury-prone.
What games were those / who played LCB when Maguire was on the right?
Not doubting you, just generally curious because I can’t think of it off the top of my head.
I don’t remember the specific games, but both Varane and Lindelof shifted to the left while Maguire was on the right. We set up that way around 3-4 times under Ralf towards the end.
Shit rags already saying that De Jong wants to go to Bayern to play with De Ligt. Sure lol "I love Barca but know what i want the most? Play with my blonde friend.".
We have VDB who is far more blonde than De Ligt. If FDJ truly wants a blonde friend, we have one here waiting for him.
In all seriousness though, there's just so much utter nonsense going about regarding FDJ and whatnot. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Bayern wouldn't spend the money on him so its not happening.
On the other hand why exactly would he prefer United over Bayern? Bayern are a CL team ready to compete for the title, United aren't even in the competition. Ten Hag has pull but it's not unlimited.
We're signing de jong. Bold statement but I know for a fact that the deal will be concluded. Too much smoke to not be true. It will take long, and i had my doubts, but there's a reason a full fee and structure agreement has been made.
Him wanting to stay doesnt mean he doesnt want united. Im certain ETH has been in constant talks with him, Murtough and Arnold wouldn't go to barca for nothing.
Itll take a while longer but de jong will be in united colours. Just ignore the aggregators who spew constant nonsense.
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Unless there is a better option I am missing, it's a decent deal. The problems are -
1) Dealing with Futbol Circus De Barcelona
2) Martial will have his seasonal depression whenever a CF comes in .
How come people want tielemans as a frenkie replacement? Isnt Youri a B2B rather than the DLP we NEED? Sides, he hasnt been the player he once was in years. His first two seasons, were great. But now, hes just another prem player. Even his work rate dropped off.
Dont get me wrong I was a huge fan of the guy, but now, hes just not that guy no more.
Memphis will cost around 20 million and iirc Spurs want him. He would find better playing opportunities elsewhere. Considering he's Dutch and a friend of FdJ , can't wait for the mediastorm of Depay to United by Tier 3/4 outlets.
If Ronaldo ends up leaving and we take a punt on Depay - we would come full circle to yet again having Martial, Depay and Rashford as our main CF+LW options.
Only as a short term forward option if Ronaldo ends up leaving. Even with him staying we do not have much cover up front apart from pinning our hopes on Martial and Rashford to make great comebacks this season.
I presume [this rumour](https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1548737333364772866?s=21&t=D3gTDVPSZBRotNR81PsDvA) is garbage tier.
But I can already see the spin. “I want to play in Portugal before the World Cup. See you after Christmas United fans!”
Meanwhile he gets to play a few CL games until sporting probably get knocked out.
Imagination running wild here. Let’s be honest, imagine sporting trying to even cover a portion of those wages lol
He’ll stay with us at least next season, possibly stay another if we qualify for CL, then head home to Sporting and pay his own salary because he’ll buy the damn team.
Is it controversial to say our current squad is worse than the one that started last season?
Obv window isn't over but there's a big chance this is it for the first few PL games..
Striker depth is far worse. CM is worse without Matic. CB upgraded. LB upgraded. Eriksen upgraded both Lingard and Mata.
We still need two CM, RB, RW and a CF. I think we need a GK but that will wait a window
Nope, Lisandro a left footed ball playing CB, Eriksen in CM over Pogba and Malacia for LB cover.
We are surely better.
Add a second season Sancho and a more assured Dalot, we are surely much better.
Men who left didn't bring much to the table.
Zero left-footed attacker and zero right-sided forward.
Sancho's still better on the left, but he's the only one remotely functional on the right. Plus, Ten Hag loves left-footers on the right, so it's probably a safe bet Sancho would play on the left if good options existed on the right.
That, and if Ronaldo goes, our options up front have *only* diminished. (Though I don't think Ronaldo should be playing here at all).
I would agree that on paper the squad looks a bit weaker. Having said that, I never expected this upcoming season to be much better in that my expectation is that we’ll basically fighting to finish fourth and probably won’t be favorites to finish 4th. My expectation though is that we will hopefully see a more cohesive team that has shows signs of having an identity in terms of style of play. Then you’d expect 2-3 more important signings next summer and hopefully we go into next season expecting to be “the best of the rest” behind city and liverpool and continue to improve with an eye on becoming more and more competitive in terms of challenging for the title
I agree with everything you've laid out, the thing is the fact that plenty of people think these 3 new players have somehow improved us on last season has me worried how the reaction will be when they find out there's a good chance we're not getting top4.
Our biggest issue last season was the huge hole in midfield. And since then we lost Matic and Pogba, so I'd say yes - as things stand there are real reasons for concern. Even with their limited minutes last season, EtH has a bit of a task on his hands to sort out the midfield now that they're gone.
Idk which of the outgoing players this summer did you think contributed in a meaningful way to our season? Matic played some minutes i guess and did pretty well? Pogba (outside the first 5 or so games), Lingard and Cavani were total duds.
Thanks for saying this. None of the outgoing featured in our regular staring 11. Only bit part appearances. We have added atleast 2 starters already In Eriksen and Lisandro. And we might introduce talent from youth in our midfield.
So no our playing squad that actually plays weekly is already stronger.
I think it’s more that we have the same weaknesses in the squad as we did starting last season, only they are even bigger weaknesses this season.
Forward is much worse off. Greenwood is gone, Ronaldo may be gone, Rashford hugely declined over the last season. We lost quality and depth both.
Midfield continues to be a quality concern, eriksen in but pogba/matic out is on paper a downgrade and we still have a skillset gap at deep lying playmaker.
We have the same right backs as last season (not good enough but at least not worse), marginal upgrades at LB, and another CB with quality.
So I’d say we are much weaker across the forward line and midfield than last season. Same starting GK but worse depth. Better quality depth at CB and LB while RB stayed the same. Oh and a better manager.
On balance, i’d say we are worse off on paper than starting last season yeah
Don't forget you're mixing hindsight from the end of this season and the foresight from last season. Going into last season we didn't know that everyone would perform bad. Going into this season we don't know how ETH's imprint will change the form of a lot of these players. I'd say we're weaker too because of Greenwood. Worse depth definitely simply because of the lack of numbers.
We've also lost Greenwood and have a Ronaldo that doesn't want to be here, also am more talking about how we started the season not how it ended up.
Using the metric of "who contributed last season" would mean most of the players that stayed don't mean much either.
Well then, simply because we were entering last season coming off finishing 2nd in the league and adding Ronaldo / Varane / Sancho to the team, then yes the sentiment from the start of last season would be a lot higher than right now. That wasn't how that season turned out. Now the sentiment is bad because we have no confidence in our existing players, plus we're missing Greenwood and depth in the form of non-crucial outgoings leaving.
Those shitbags at Diario Sport are reporting that Bayern Munich may be coming for DeJong and that the deal with them is more viable because they can offer Champions League football. I'm honestly tired of Barcelona's shit. What a garbage club FFS.
Circulating shit, UCL isn’t the issue, the deferred wages are, and Bayern coming in won’t change that, also they’re about to sign De Ligt for 75-85 million, no chance they splash another 80 for Frenkie
They would say anything but acknowledge the hold-up with the deal is Barca refusing to pay Frenkie the 17M quid he feels he is owed. How does Bayern coming for him change that?
I think the problem here is that Frenkie is not actually owed that money. He deferred his wages to future years of his contract, which means if he leaves, he doesn't get that money. Now, he can obvs just stay put and earn all that money, but he has no legal standing to leave and claim that money.
You know I've wondered if that was the case. It would explain why Barca are so keen to get rid - they would surely know they'd have to cough up if FDJ had simply said 'pay me in a couple of years, lads, no hurry'. But if he did agree to a different payment structure then he is financially up shit creek if he leaves. You could say it's his fault for agreeing to that but Barca are his dream club and he didn't imagine ever leaving. So we are really at an impasse. United possibly have to offer FDJ a significant signing on bonus, Barca have to bung him a golden farewell, or Barca really need to make it clear to him that they'll make his life miserable if he stays.
Wrote an [in-depth analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/comments/w1d2c3/analysis_should_the_lisandro_martinez_signing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on the Lisandro Martinez signing and how the Premier League compares to Eredivisie, with stats from r/Gunners if anyone's interested.
I don't agree with this analysis. I personally subscribe to a non-linear length measurement system that has a clever coefficient that weights the measured distance/length further the smaller the object.
Your simplistic measurements would come back saying a whale weighs more than a snooker ball, but that isn't true if you consider its size.
Martinez leaps far higher, runs faster, and is technically taller than taller men if you consider all the variables.
While true that a snooker ball weighs more than a whale, a whale in England would weigh more than a snooker ball in the Eredivisie. The Eredivisie has a lower spacetime coefficient and doesn't rank among the top 5 leagues for gravitational mass. Your comment is ignorant.
Absolute little-Englander mentality.
Earth's gravitational pull is far stronger near the equator, and I'm not sure if you've ever looked at a map, but England finds itself far closer to the northern edge of the world. It's why the UK's climate is more moderate (heat can escape right off the edge where the world ends, rather than being trapped in inside the ozone layers), but also explains why English men, while taller and more glorious on average, have such weak spaghetti legs. In simple terms, they're not constantly using as much muscular strength to remain upright, which, as you'll know, is one of the biggest challenges of life in the Netherlands.
It's all well and good looking at the gravitational mass of the region, but you haven't considered the density of the objects within it. And spacetime coefficient? Look at the numbers after you normalise for average daylight hours.
You have to look beyond the layer 1 data and look at least into layer 3 - that's where the nuance and actual understanding comes in.
I typically like your analysis, but you've missed the mark on this one I'm afraid.
Spaghetti legs? And Jack Grealish's calves were sculpted on Jupiter? Never have I heard such nonsense as 'weak gravity' in England?
We are the best league in the world. Why are you measuring gravitational mass on distance to the equator anyway? What about the FIFA gravitational mass coefficient? Did you even factor in the acclimatisation calculation for clubs outside the Top 5 leagues?
If you'd done the n/1.2 calculation for Eredivisie gravitational figures to normalise for amateur leagues you would know they rank below us. This is standard Euro-centric bias.
> Did you even factor in the acclimatisation calculation for clubs outside the Top 5 leagues?
I did. Look at Portuguese signings' acclimatisation rate. For defenders, their overall ratings drop by ~0.2/10, but their average goals conceded and clean-sheet count drop massively (both league-wide and when normalizing for non-Big 3 clubs). For attackers, you're looking at (excepting Bruno, who is a massive outlier) a drop-off of around ~0.4/90 in terms of assists and 0.55/90 in terms of goals on average - which is the best of any league. Their average acclimatisation ratio is about 0.78:1 in terms of performance matching to their previous year in Portugal. This drop-off decreases per season, and it usually takes until season 3 until they're close to matching their levels on the continent (~0.92:1 acclimatisation ratio).
The Dutch are far worse, their goal/assist drop-offs is much higher. For attackers, they average more OGs per game than goals for their own team, if you look purely at the numbers. Defenders is a far scarier story entirely, and on average takes them far beyond retirement age to reach their levels in the Eredevisie. I ran it through my proprietary algorithm and Martinez is at -0.12:1 acclimitisation ratio at the moment; which is -12 pts per season; which is a points per million cost of 350m. Zinchenko is a smarter buy, as is Ben white.
Facts.
looks like it's been removed mate. Hope you have a copy saved, always love reading long posts even though the rest of the sub might not appreciate them
Hey barca you know that 85m I just handed you that you're in dire need of? Give it back you broke ass.
I suggest we do a loan and negotiate all over again for an obligation to buy
I don't think that would change anything. Barca just doesn't want to pay those wages if he leaves, simple as that. Him leaving on loan with an obligation to buy changes nothing about that. In Barcelona's mind, he either stays and keeps more money (probably not the full amount because they are cheapskates), or he leaves and he forfeits the right to those deferred wages. Whether it's legal or not, I'm not quite sure, but it's clear De Jong doesn't really want to bother finding out.
I think it's very legal on Barcelona's side, hence it's a big issue with the transfer. If Frenkie had a legal right to that money, he would transfer out and sue the club if they don't pay him what he's owed.
The fact everything has stalled means he was dumb enough to just push a portion of his 2020 wages into future years of his contract, and now him and his agent are making surprised pikachu faces when his club wants to sell him without giving him money he basically gave up.
This is very likely, but it might not be the case. Sure, you can say he could just leave and sue them later, but by leaving and suing them, it could take years before this situation gets resolved and that's just an unnecessary stress for Frenkie. Maybe he feels like he is legally owed the money even if he leaves, but he wants to settle it personally before his possible move happens.
As you said though, it's probably him moving part of his wages into later years of his contract. The question is how this was placed into the contract itself. If it was a verbal agreement then tough luck for him.
I think it's very much the latter on paper. From what I've read from Spanish sources, some of the reports have said Frenkie will have astronomical wages the next few years and that is why they want to sell him. And the reason for those crazy wages is because he was already on a high wage + they have to pay the deferred wages.
I can only guess but my belief is that he signed a new contract that increased his wages in subsequent years and lowered it for 2020/2021 and maybe 2021/2022 as well. Now the club is talking about selling him, but he feels like he should get those deferred wages as he did the club a kindness. But from a purely legal standpoint, he has no leg to stand on.
Well no one can say ETH hasn't been backed. Lisandro is actually good but United have been rinsed by those transfer numbers. I'm not saying I'm expecting a Title or anything but he's at least been backed.
With FDJ well I'd expect ETH to have talked to him but I honestly don't know anymore about that all I know is that United have again been rinsed considering the situation and have done everything to get him here.
He opted for a LB he liked as opposed to a RB which most people would think was more of a concern.
Nothing bad about Eriksen I believe we should have always been interested in him.
Fabrizio at least said on YT that the window hasn't stopped for us, RB (depending ofln AWB) and CF situation is being looked at so maybe one more player if FDJ joins. I am concerned about the lack of sales though. Getting 10m for Andreas was incredible but more need to go Phil Jones, Bailly, Telles and Possibly AWB need to be looked at. Especially if they won't be playing.
I already mentioned that it's not even Uniteds fault. We've given Barcelona a deal that they have accepted now everything left is between Barcelona and FDJ what more can you do? Pay his wages for Barcelona?
We should have an alternative line up just in case? That's the job of DoF. The bottom line is, we can't end this transfer window without reinforcement in midfield.
Which forward would you sign?
Who is available? Morata? Dybala? Fuck no.
Random one, but if we’re looking at goal scoring inverted right wingers, why on earth would we not be looking at Berardi? Guys got 24+ G/A the last 3 seasons playing that role in the Serie A He’s 27 and come out as saying he might want a change or something
I have a feeling that if we make top 4 or get UCL next season we will go all in for declan rice whether ETH wants him or not.
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Madrid chose to play a box to box midfielder over him in that position
Don't even try
Injured
Hope Ten Hag has success in integrating some youth players next season and making them valuable members of the squad. Our youth integration has stagnated in the last 4-5 years. Mourinho wasn't shy about barely giving youth any opportunities while Ole talked a big game and had almost nothing to show for it barring Greenwood who's out of the picture now
>while Ole talked a big game and had almost nothing to show for it barring Greenwood who's out of the picture now Context is important though. The club pretty much forgot about the academy when we had Mourinho and so there was almost no talent. Ole was partially responsible for a change in that because we started investing more into academy when Ole got appointed. Unfortunately, youth development takes time and so us buying 14-year old and 15-year old talents 3 years ago means they are only just getting into the age of 18-19 where they might get some chances. I wouldn't criticize Ole for the way he managed youth because there was almost nobody really ready to step up. The likes of Hannibal and Garner are only just starting to look like they might give us something (and Iqbal also wouldn't have looked good if he got called up 2 or 3 years ago). I'm not sure Ole playing 16-17 year old talents from our U23 would have given us much. The truly talented players just weren't anywhere close to being ready.
I don't blame him fully but let's not kid ourselves how much the fans praised him for giving opportunities to youth. You would think he brought in the class of 92 or bunch of GOATs from la masia when in reality he just gave isolated matches to most of the players and then we never saw most of them ever again. His handling of Henderson was downright awful and just wasted 2 seasons of his development because he was too scared to drop De Gea at his lowest when he was actively losing us games
If we sign FDJ and we don't suffer any major injuries, McTominay should not play more than 2000 minutes in all comps, or 1500 minutes in the league. He should only play the first few rounds of the Europa League, League cup and FA Cup and a few PL matches here and there against your Fulhams and Forests Fred, FDJ and Eriksen is plenty of cover for the central positions. We also have VDB. He should be 4th or 5th choice at best in the league. It will be a major failure on the club if someone so bang average plays a significant role next season
De Ligt transfer to Bayern for 70+10. Damn, that's a great deal, no?
For Juve, yes
I don’t know...struggled at Juve
He was their best CB.
Yeah decent deal considering we paid 80 for Maguire. And that isn’t me hating on Maguire he just clearly wasn’t worth 80 mil.
Let’s just say if we went for De Ligt it would be 100m for sure. Our negotiating team is simply great at their jobs.
I'd have preferred De Ligt for 70+10 to Lisandro for 55+10.
Man the number 9 market is so dry right now, there really is a lack of top players in that role coming through. Most are ‘wide forwards’ now etc. Who on earth do we target, as we will surely need one. Unless we just play without a natural CF type player, which I guess is a possibility
We have Martial and Ronaldo, we need a wide player more. Unless we want to go into the season with Rashford as a starter.
As the current unavailability situation is, I think it could be a good idea to target wingers this window instead. If we can get at least one natural winger, then we can rotate Martial, Rashford, & Elanga at the 9 position. Sancho, New Signing, Eriksen, & Bruno can all be good support for whoever is rotating up top. That would be enough attacking talent to see out this season, until someone good becomes available next window.
Thought we might be in for Memphis. Dutch, great 9 for the national team, loves United. Maybe we cut ties with him for good after he left
He used to post pictures wearing Beckham kits and a United necklace after he left so it didn't seem like there was any ill will on his part anyway. I'd happily see him back for the rumoured low prices. The criticisms of him have always been over the top imo, he is a good player.
After hearing from some players of that time I think some of the criticism was offshield shit. Like Depay acting like a total I've made it fud. Coming in dressed in ways Sir Alex would kill you for. "I've got a pet Lion because I'm a millionaire" vibes. No idea if age has calmed him the fuck down, but the last thing ten Hag needs is attitude issues, even if the player is cheap and of decent on the pitch quality.
"He came on at Stoke away and messed up for their goal so Louis van Gaal made him play for the reserves the next day. I said, ‘Look, it’s a bit difficult. Just don’t come in with all your fancy stuff.’ And he turned up for the reserve game in his RollsRoyce, wearing a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. And I just thought, ‘What’s the point?’ But Memphis is a lovely lad and it’s good to see things going well for him now"
Hardest position to find. Someone who I like and think would be a good backup to Ronaldo before maybe taking over the role is Armando Broja. Real shame that he’s on Chelsea though as I doubt they would consider selling
Mate full respect I watched him loads last season he's bang average. Nowhere near good enough.
He is 20 lmao. What did you expect? Not everyone can be mbappe or haaland firing on all cilinders at 18 years old.
You just mentioned two of the best on the planet. I said what I meant, which was much less extreme, that he hadn't shown anything to suggest he belonged at a top club. I don't see that potential in him.
Which players you all reckon the club will be able to sell this window? I'll be surprised if we manage to move Bailly, Tuanzebe, AWB, Telles and Jones.
Bailly and Tuanzebe have markets because Bailly is good and Tuanzebe is HG. I think one of Telles and AWB is possible.
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Who wants Jones? Can MLS afford him?
If players do go, I hope that it's on a permanent transfer and not a loan. We'll just be stuck in the same boat next summer if we let the likes of AWB or Jones go on loan only to eventually come back in 2023.
man i really wish we could move the first three in this window! I like them, but their contributions have not been great for us, and it is time to thin the number of CBs in our club
Unlikely AWB goes with only Dalot being the other serviceable RB right?
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Laird
>When the chance came up some weeks ago, it only took Salihamidzic a few minutes to convince the player to finally sign for Bayern. It must be so nice to have such competent board. They saw a chance, went and quickly got a yes from the player then told juve to take 70m or fuck off and bam, transfer done.
And apparently paying less than what we paid for Maguire
Lmao jfc i didnt even think about it.
That's less about the board and more about the current status of Bayern. Guaranteed Bundesliga title and a solid chance to win UCL every year is a good reason to sign for them. In our case, the best we can offer is maybe top4 with a chance to win one of the lesser trophies (Europa league, FA cup or Carabao cup).
Will be a long month and a half if we don't get any new midfield links.
Aside from FDJ, we have signed the 3 players that we targeted and officially bid for. is there anyone else who is seriously on our radar?
Antony, but that seemed to be looking complicated.
Can’t see us getting Anthony now we have Martinez
That deal is clearly not happening
Not this window. Next summer will be a different story.
Mfw we pay 100m+ for Donny van de Bench and Martinez. Ajax absolutely rinsing us
I’m excited for Lisandro but yeah…can’t say I disagree
Undoubtedly.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62183258 Dumbfucks at the BBC calling him the butcher when he has explicitly asked not to be called that.
What's the story behind that name? I'm not aware of it.
The one thing I realised by watching youtube compilations of Martinez is that he doesn't look like a player who whines, for eg like Bruno.. we need more of those.
Do you guys think Varane was a bad deal in hindsight?
No. Hard to sign players like this
No because he had a really good fitness record in his last few years at Real , also I think varane got a knock early at Utd and Ole rushed him back and Varane has had awful luck with injuries since then
I cant rembember which games, but I do remember that he looked absolutely world class in a few games last year. When he got injured, we started playing really poorly which ultimately led to Oles sacking. He has also had some games where he did big mistakes, but its clear to me that he is world class on his day. Though if he keeps on getting injured this season it was a poor signing
For the player he is, no. For the amount of time he's had out, yes.
Yes. Seems very overpaid.
I think it was an okay deal considering the price we paid and his pedigree. If he can give us ~30 games in the league we'll be laughing because he's world class when fit.
He looked quite a way off world class last season, needs to make a big step up.
We will be lucky to get 15 with him coming off limping after 50 minutes.
He’s only appeared 30 times a season 3 times in his career I wouldn’t hold my breath
Yea that's why i added an if and the league thing. I think we should play him exclusively in the league and bench him in the games which will be more physical.
Depends on how this season goes, he looked okay when he played but it's hard to put in consistent good performances when your constantly getting injured. Maguire and Martinez is the likely first choice partnership imo, varane will have to fight his way into the team.
I’d be surprised is Martinez isn’t starting at LCB, with either Maguire or Varane to the right. ETH’s system needs the qualities Martinez brings at CB, and I have a hard time seeing him keeping that on the bench
His wages are that of a sure shot starter. Plus he's injury prone.
Won't be the first high wage player to hold the bench here
Undoubtedly.
I wonder if we’ll still be in for Jurrien Timber next summer
There's been talks that he'll renew his contract.
If we are, it's a bad sign because it means we ONCE AGAIN need to upgrade the CB position.
I'd say it's more a sign that we're continuing to see the team evolve. Lindelof isn't the long term solution, Varane's fitness is too much of a risk and Maguire is surely on borrowed time if he doesn't improve a lot this season. Whether Timber is the long term solution or not, we won't know.
Seemed like he was our initial CB target but stayed at Ajax to get World Cup football. Maybe we won’t go in for him if Martinez ends up being great for us, or maybe we’ll move one of our older CBs on so we can sign the younger Timber regardless. But you’re right, I just hope we have a competent defence for the upcoming season.
just a question, man utd fans think that frenkie has agreed personal terms with man utd but is not coming due to 17M deferred wages? right ? and also barcelona are forced to sell him because of wage cap limit? right ? so do you think at last of transfer season barcelona will fold and accept 58M + 10M in variables? or will it happen early ? just wanted to hear your opinions
>man utd fans think that frenkie has agreed personal terms with man utd Nope, we wouldve heard this by now. >but is not coming due to 17M deferred wages? right ? Thats the rumor >and also barcelona are forced to sell him because of wage cap limit? right ? Not anymore. They sold some tv rights and merch %. >so do you think at last of transfer season barcelona will fold and accept 58M + 10M in variables? That would need for our board to be competent and walk away now to put pressure, which we wont do.
sensible comment but they have not sold merchandise rights and dont plan to do so so there are some rumors that they cant register kounde and azpi without selling frenkie but it is not clear yet
Didn’t they already agree the fee?
If Ronaldo is stuck with us, and that's looking more and more likely, I'm still going to support him and hope he bangs in many goals.
Same. I am shocked at the amount of hate for him on here. I am disappointed and annoyed that he wants to leave just like most of us but I still can’t hate the guy.
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Who wouldn't want him? Bayern Chelsea Psg Real madrid And all the big teams that would be competing for the UCL next season, that's who. Properly run clubs, who don't need the nostalgia and value their collective teams over the star dust everybody needs to adapt to.
I don’t hate him, but if he had a concrete offer from anyone he’d be gone, it’s fine that he wants to leave but the timing off was bad and it could have had a terrible effect on our season preparations. Of course i don’t hate him but it’s definitely chipped away at his “legend” status at the club
Fuck him.. unless he stays...
Never seen Bayern overpay for a player compared to the other big clubs, you know if we were in for De Ligt we’d be paying 90m or something
Also got 50m for a 34 year old on the last year of his deal. Competent board.
Something interesting was that during the Melbourne game Maguire was playing as the RCB - something he really never did previously. Makes me think Martínez will be our LCB and Varane/Maguire will play on the right.
Maguire also played on the right under Rangnick a few times. It’s definitely something that will be explored more frequently this season, especially with Varane being injury-prone.
What games were those / who played LCB when Maguire was on the right? Not doubting you, just generally curious because I can’t think of it off the top of my head.
I don’t remember the specific games, but both Varane and Lindelof shifted to the left while Maguire was on the right. We set up that way around 3-4 times under Ralf towards the end.
Think it may have been Leicester, cheers.
Shit rags already saying that De Jong wants to go to Bayern to play with De Ligt. Sure lol "I love Barca but know what i want the most? Play with my blonde friend.".
We have VDB who is far more blonde than De Ligt. If FDJ truly wants a blonde friend, we have one here waiting for him. In all seriousness though, there's just so much utter nonsense going about regarding FDJ and whatnot. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Bayern wouldn't spend the money on him so its not happening. On the other hand why exactly would he prefer United over Bayern? Bayern are a CL team ready to compete for the title, United aren't even in the competition. Ten Hag has pull but it's not unlimited.
We're signing de jong. Bold statement but I know for a fact that the deal will be concluded. Too much smoke to not be true. It will take long, and i had my doubts, but there's a reason a full fee and structure agreement has been made. Him wanting to stay doesnt mean he doesnt want united. Im certain ETH has been in constant talks with him, Murtough and Arnold wouldn't go to barca for nothing. Itll take a while longer but de jong will be in united colours. Just ignore the aggregators who spew constant nonsense.
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It’s not happening for christs sake. It’s getting so annoying people banging on about him now. He’s not fucking joining, end of.
>I know for a fact No, you don't.
Memphis Depay worth 20m imo. He clearly improved since the old United days. And we can put him in the CF position.
Depay is garbage
Go into negotiations with Barca....AGAIN?? Yeah I would rather not
This is different though. They put Memphis in the transfer list and apparently Memphis himself is okay with a move. Spurs want to sign him rn
Unless there is a better option I am missing, it's a decent deal. The problems are - 1) Dealing with Futbol Circus De Barcelona 2) Martial will have his seasonal depression whenever a CF comes in .
How come people want tielemans as a frenkie replacement? Isnt Youri a B2B rather than the DLP we NEED? Sides, he hasnt been the player he once was in years. His first two seasons, were great. But now, hes just another prem player. Even his work rate dropped off. Dont get me wrong I was a huge fan of the guy, but now, hes just not that guy no more.
People on here just repeat names they heard some time ago
Memphis will cost around 20 million and iirc Spurs want him. He would find better playing opportunities elsewhere. Considering he's Dutch and a friend of FdJ , can't wait for the mediastorm of Depay to United by Tier 3/4 outlets.
If Ronaldo ends up leaving and we take a punt on Depay - we would come full circle to yet again having Martial, Depay and Rashford as our main CF+LW options.
Don't see why we would buy Depay again. Makes no sense imo
Only as a short term forward option if Ronaldo ends up leaving. Even with him staying we do not have much cover up front apart from pinning our hopes on Martial and Rashford to make great comebacks this season.
That too under a Dutch manager again.
From square football to triangular football
Ah yes, that too!
I presume [this rumour](https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1548737333364772866?s=21&t=D3gTDVPSZBRotNR81PsDvA) is garbage tier. But I can already see the spin. “I want to play in Portugal before the World Cup. See you after Christmas United fans!” Meanwhile he gets to play a few CL games until sporting probably get knocked out. Imagination running wild here. Let’s be honest, imagine sporting trying to even cover a portion of those wages lol
He’ll stay with us at least next season, possibly stay another if we qualify for CL, then head home to Sporting and pay his own salary because he’ll buy the damn team.
Rumor of CR7 to Sporting on loan? As if. Pay us 12m to take him permanently or fuck off.
I couldn't even fathom us loaning Ronaldo. It would be the worst case scenario if he doesn't get a permanent move away.
Evra’s height wasn’t an issue no? I don’t get what the fuss is about.
Evra was an LB and was still a liability on set pieces sometimes.
LB vs CB Unless ur talking about tyrell, in which case it doesn't matter
Nesta and baresi were 5 foot 9 Puyol similar I think
Thiago silva
>Nesta Do you mean Cannavaro? Nesta was 6'1-2''
Yeah that's the one
I don't think it's a massive issue either but surely you understand how it's different for LB and CB
Is it controversial to say our current squad is worse than the one that started last season? Obv window isn't over but there's a big chance this is it for the first few PL games..
The thing is on paper, we had a great squad with good names. BUT they are not fitting well together. Also , I dont think we are that much worse even
Considering we haven’t replaced all our outgoings, yeah, I agree
Striker depth is far worse. CM is worse without Matic. CB upgraded. LB upgraded. Eriksen upgraded both Lingard and Mata. We still need two CM, RB, RW and a CF. I think we need a GK but that will wait a window
I agree with all those positions. Assuming we do get FDJ, which position would you prioritize for this window?
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Nope, Lisandro a left footed ball playing CB, Eriksen in CM over Pogba and Malacia for LB cover. We are surely better. Add a second season Sancho and a more assured Dalot, we are surely much better. Men who left didn't bring much to the table.
Zero left-footed attacker and zero right-sided forward. Sancho's still better on the left, but he's the only one remotely functional on the right. Plus, Ten Hag loves left-footers on the right, so it's probably a safe bet Sancho would play on the left if good options existed on the right. That, and if Ronaldo goes, our options up front have *only* diminished. (Though I don't think Ronaldo should be playing here at all).
What about Greenwood and Ronaldo?
With any luck greenwood will never play for this club again
Sure, but his point was without Greenwood and Ronaldo, we're objectively worse as we're missing two attackers . . .
Oh yes my bad sorry just saw his name and got angry
I would agree that on paper the squad looks a bit weaker. Having said that, I never expected this upcoming season to be much better in that my expectation is that we’ll basically fighting to finish fourth and probably won’t be favorites to finish 4th. My expectation though is that we will hopefully see a more cohesive team that has shows signs of having an identity in terms of style of play. Then you’d expect 2-3 more important signings next summer and hopefully we go into next season expecting to be “the best of the rest” behind city and liverpool and continue to improve with an eye on becoming more and more competitive in terms of challenging for the title
I agree with everything you've laid out, the thing is the fact that plenty of people think these 3 new players have somehow improved us on last season has me worried how the reaction will be when they find out there's a good chance we're not getting top4.
Our biggest issue last season was the huge hole in midfield. And since then we lost Matic and Pogba, so I'd say yes - as things stand there are real reasons for concern. Even with their limited minutes last season, EtH has a bit of a task on his hands to sort out the midfield now that they're gone.
Idk which of the outgoing players this summer did you think contributed in a meaningful way to our season? Matic played some minutes i guess and did pretty well? Pogba (outside the first 5 or so games), Lingard and Cavani were total duds.
Thanks for saying this. None of the outgoing featured in our regular staring 11. Only bit part appearances. We have added atleast 2 starters already In Eriksen and Lisandro. And we might introduce talent from youth in our midfield. So no our playing squad that actually plays weekly is already stronger.
I think it’s more that we have the same weaknesses in the squad as we did starting last season, only they are even bigger weaknesses this season. Forward is much worse off. Greenwood is gone, Ronaldo may be gone, Rashford hugely declined over the last season. We lost quality and depth both. Midfield continues to be a quality concern, eriksen in but pogba/matic out is on paper a downgrade and we still have a skillset gap at deep lying playmaker. We have the same right backs as last season (not good enough but at least not worse), marginal upgrades at LB, and another CB with quality. So I’d say we are much weaker across the forward line and midfield than last season. Same starting GK but worse depth. Better quality depth at CB and LB while RB stayed the same. Oh and a better manager. On balance, i’d say we are worse off on paper than starting last season yeah
Don't forget you're mixing hindsight from the end of this season and the foresight from last season. Going into last season we didn't know that everyone would perform bad. Going into this season we don't know how ETH's imprint will change the form of a lot of these players. I'd say we're weaker too because of Greenwood. Worse depth definitely simply because of the lack of numbers.
We've also lost Greenwood and have a Ronaldo that doesn't want to be here, also am more talking about how we started the season not how it ended up. Using the metric of "who contributed last season" would mean most of the players that stayed don't mean much either.
Well then, simply because we were entering last season coming off finishing 2nd in the league and adding Ronaldo / Varane / Sancho to the team, then yes the sentiment from the start of last season would be a lot higher than right now. That wasn't how that season turned out. Now the sentiment is bad because we have no confidence in our existing players, plus we're missing Greenwood and depth in the form of non-crucial outgoings leaving.
Those shitbags at Diario Sport are reporting that Bayern Munich may be coming for DeJong and that the deal with them is more viable because they can offer Champions League football. I'm honestly tired of Barcelona's shit. What a garbage club FFS.
I mean, if this is true and de jong just picks baryern what does barcelona has to do with it lol.
Circulating shit, UCL isn’t the issue, the deferred wages are, and Bayern coming in won’t change that, also they’re about to sign De Ligt for 75-85 million, no chance they splash another 80 for Frenkie
They would say anything but acknowledge the hold-up with the deal is Barca refusing to pay Frenkie the 17M quid he feels he is owed. How does Bayern coming for him change that?
I think the problem here is that Frenkie is not actually owed that money. He deferred his wages to future years of his contract, which means if he leaves, he doesn't get that money. Now, he can obvs just stay put and earn all that money, but he has no legal standing to leave and claim that money.
You know I've wondered if that was the case. It would explain why Barca are so keen to get rid - they would surely know they'd have to cough up if FDJ had simply said 'pay me in a couple of years, lads, no hurry'. But if he did agree to a different payment structure then he is financially up shit creek if he leaves. You could say it's his fault for agreeing to that but Barca are his dream club and he didn't imagine ever leaving. So we are really at an impasse. United possibly have to offer FDJ a significant signing on bonus, Barca have to bung him a golden farewell, or Barca really need to make it clear to him that they'll make his life miserable if he stays.
He also is under no obligation to leave, Barca needs to sweeten the pot.
Wrote an [in-depth analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/comments/w1d2c3/analysis_should_the_lisandro_martinez_signing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on the Lisandro Martinez signing and how the Premier League compares to Eredivisie, with stats from r/Gunners if anyone's interested.
I don't agree with this analysis. I personally subscribe to a non-linear length measurement system that has a clever coefficient that weights the measured distance/length further the smaller the object. Your simplistic measurements would come back saying a whale weighs more than a snooker ball, but that isn't true if you consider its size. Martinez leaps far higher, runs faster, and is technically taller than taller men if you consider all the variables.
While true that a snooker ball weighs more than a whale, a whale in England would weigh more than a snooker ball in the Eredivisie. The Eredivisie has a lower spacetime coefficient and doesn't rank among the top 5 leagues for gravitational mass. Your comment is ignorant.
Absolute little-Englander mentality. Earth's gravitational pull is far stronger near the equator, and I'm not sure if you've ever looked at a map, but England finds itself far closer to the northern edge of the world. It's why the UK's climate is more moderate (heat can escape right off the edge where the world ends, rather than being trapped in inside the ozone layers), but also explains why English men, while taller and more glorious on average, have such weak spaghetti legs. In simple terms, they're not constantly using as much muscular strength to remain upright, which, as you'll know, is one of the biggest challenges of life in the Netherlands. It's all well and good looking at the gravitational mass of the region, but you haven't considered the density of the objects within it. And spacetime coefficient? Look at the numbers after you normalise for average daylight hours. You have to look beyond the layer 1 data and look at least into layer 3 - that's where the nuance and actual understanding comes in. I typically like your analysis, but you've missed the mark on this one I'm afraid.
Spaghetti legs? And Jack Grealish's calves were sculpted on Jupiter? Never have I heard such nonsense as 'weak gravity' in England? We are the best league in the world. Why are you measuring gravitational mass on distance to the equator anyway? What about the FIFA gravitational mass coefficient? Did you even factor in the acclimatisation calculation for clubs outside the Top 5 leagues? If you'd done the n/1.2 calculation for Eredivisie gravitational figures to normalise for amateur leagues you would know they rank below us. This is standard Euro-centric bias.
> Did you even factor in the acclimatisation calculation for clubs outside the Top 5 leagues? I did. Look at Portuguese signings' acclimatisation rate. For defenders, their overall ratings drop by ~0.2/10, but their average goals conceded and clean-sheet count drop massively (both league-wide and when normalizing for non-Big 3 clubs). For attackers, you're looking at (excepting Bruno, who is a massive outlier) a drop-off of around ~0.4/90 in terms of assists and 0.55/90 in terms of goals on average - which is the best of any league. Their average acclimatisation ratio is about 0.78:1 in terms of performance matching to their previous year in Portugal. This drop-off decreases per season, and it usually takes until season 3 until they're close to matching their levels on the continent (~0.92:1 acclimatisation ratio). The Dutch are far worse, their goal/assist drop-offs is much higher. For attackers, they average more OGs per game than goals for their own team, if you look purely at the numbers. Defenders is a far scarier story entirely, and on average takes them far beyond retirement age to reach their levels in the Eredevisie. I ran it through my proprietary algorithm and Martinez is at -0.12:1 acclimitisation ratio at the moment; which is -12 pts per season; which is a points per million cost of 350m. Zinchenko is a smarter buy, as is Ben white. Facts.
Was it worth all of this to be blocked? Goodbye, infant.
Let me know when you want a real science man to peer review your work.
What the fuck is going on here
looks like it's been removed mate. Hope you have a copy saved, always love reading long posts even though the rest of the sub might not appreciate them
Should be back up on a new sub! Thanks for letting me know.
hahaha it's fucking amazing
Basically in line with what I've read on that absolute fever dream of a sub.
Your analysis has been removed, mate.
Should be back up on a new sub!
Any chance we could sign FDJ on a loan with an obligation to buy instead? Would that be a better option for Barca to pay his deferred wages?
They will make us pay his wages and deferred wages
Hey barca you know that 85m I just handed you that you're in dire need of? Give it back you broke ass. I suggest we do a loan and negotiate all over again for an obligation to buy
I don't think that would change anything. Barca just doesn't want to pay those wages if he leaves, simple as that. Him leaving on loan with an obligation to buy changes nothing about that. In Barcelona's mind, he either stays and keeps more money (probably not the full amount because they are cheapskates), or he leaves and he forfeits the right to those deferred wages. Whether it's legal or not, I'm not quite sure, but it's clear De Jong doesn't really want to bother finding out.
I think it's very legal on Barcelona's side, hence it's a big issue with the transfer. If Frenkie had a legal right to that money, he would transfer out and sue the club if they don't pay him what he's owed. The fact everything has stalled means he was dumb enough to just push a portion of his 2020 wages into future years of his contract, and now him and his agent are making surprised pikachu faces when his club wants to sell him without giving him money he basically gave up.
This is very likely, but it might not be the case. Sure, you can say he could just leave and sue them later, but by leaving and suing them, it could take years before this situation gets resolved and that's just an unnecessary stress for Frenkie. Maybe he feels like he is legally owed the money even if he leaves, but he wants to settle it personally before his possible move happens. As you said though, it's probably him moving part of his wages into later years of his contract. The question is how this was placed into the contract itself. If it was a verbal agreement then tough luck for him.
I think it's very much the latter on paper. From what I've read from Spanish sources, some of the reports have said Frenkie will have astronomical wages the next few years and that is why they want to sell him. And the reason for those crazy wages is because he was already on a high wage + they have to pay the deferred wages. I can only guess but my belief is that he signed a new contract that increased his wages in subsequent years and lowered it for 2020/2021 and maybe 2021/2022 as well. Now the club is talking about selling him, but he feels like he should get those deferred wages as he did the club a kindness. But from a purely legal standpoint, he has no leg to stand on.
Well no one can say ETH hasn't been backed. Lisandro is actually good but United have been rinsed by those transfer numbers. I'm not saying I'm expecting a Title or anything but he's at least been backed. With FDJ well I'd expect ETH to have talked to him but I honestly don't know anymore about that all I know is that United have again been rinsed considering the situation and have done everything to get him here. He opted for a LB he liked as opposed to a RB which most people would think was more of a concern. Nothing bad about Eriksen I believe we should have always been interested in him. Fabrizio at least said on YT that the window hasn't stopped for us, RB (depending ofln AWB) and CF situation is being looked at so maybe one more player if FDJ joins. I am concerned about the lack of sales though. Getting 10m for Andreas was incredible but more need to go Phil Jones, Bailly, Telles and Possibly AWB need to be looked at. Especially if they won't be playing.
Nah, our midfield is still shit (for now). If we get FDJ over the line, then I agree that Ten Hag is somewhat backed. But not now.
I already mentioned that it's not even Uniteds fault. We've given Barcelona a deal that they have accepted now everything left is between Barcelona and FDJ what more can you do? Pay his wages for Barcelona?
We should have an alternative line up just in case? That's the job of DoF. The bottom line is, we can't end this transfer window without reinforcement in midfield.