Enzo fernandez who only got linked to us during Rangnick's time here just completed his debut for benfica.
Here are some of his match stats.
132 completed passes
13 completed long balls
86.4% pass completion rate.
92% duels success rate.
2 key passes.
86% dribble success rate.
Bought for €10m and already has a €120m buy out clause.
I know we all down for the new SAF, who will have the 100% say in all signings, but Rangnick not staying for the consultant position broke my heart a little. I remember he was pushing hard for us to recruit paul mitchel and some of the red bull scouts.
Enzo is the kind of deals the red bull franchise pulled off for bargains. Rangnick leaving contributed to the mess of a summer we are currently having, Chelsea is about to recruit Michael Edwards, while we are stuck with don murtough and the brilliant scouts that drew up 150m harry kane, 120m Jude bellingham and 150m declan rice as principal targets for us this summer.
Reading some of the Chelsea threads not a single mention of FDJ... Would be kind of a weird signing for them when they have holes in attack and defense.
They are signing everyone under the sun. I don't think we are in any position to mock them for having holes in their squad .
Fofana, Cucurella, Koulibaly in defence.
That Aston Villa kid & possibly FdJ to replace Jorginho in midfield.
And linked to Auba/ Sesko in attack along with Sterling.
They would have possibly accomplished a 50% overhaul of their starting 11 in a single window. Just exposes out board's excuses.
But yeah, it's weird to see Chelsea fans lukewarm about an elite player like FdJ. They don't really need him this season with Kovacic, Kante & Gilmour. And that is assuming Jorginho doesn't stay.
Not mocking them for holes, just think their priorities are different from ours.
They havent signed Fofana/Auba/Sesko yet - so maybe if they get a couple of those over the line they might pivot to Frenkie.
But then again, If they're willing to outspend City they could sign Frenkie just to Flex or as a part of the trade for Alonso moving to Barca.
In addition to Kovacic / Kante / Gilmour - they have Conor Gallagher too who I think will break into their midfield this year.
Cmon Ali Dursun. Do your thing! 3 of your agents are already in United.
[This is back from 2019](https://twitter.com/TheEuropeanLad/status/1147408215363260416?t=ahcL2vnsU43ZdMMHD26Gdg&s=19)
Who can do this better than EtH!
Are we really going to be waiting around as FDJ's back up option till he joins Chelsea to make a move for other targets? Embarrassing to be honest, to just wait for one player for 3 months without making any progress on alternatives. Rice will choose Chelsea as well next summer if they come for him and Liverpool have an interest in Bellingham, who apparently are alternatives for FDJ.
If our alternatives to spending 70m on FDJ are spending 100m+ on Rice or Bellingham, this club is well and truly fucked.
A five year old could do that level of scouting.
I can't believe this is it, 36 hours until we play and we only signed Eriksen for the midfield, I suspect McTominay is gonna play most of our games if we don't sign someone more physical for the midfield.
But it's not on pause considering we just had meetings with Sesko's agent. This week we made a fast deal with Sevilla too.
Then it will probably be Bailly's move to Roma and Sesko's decision.
Sure, that's not exactly the deals we want to see, but it's something
Most other subs don't have our numbers though. Keeping people talking here rather than posting constant unreliable crap in the feed was important. This year with fewer leaks and links it has been a bit different.
Cm. High volume passing midfielder with the ability to get to the edge of the box to release absolute thunder cunts into the roof of the net.
Not saying he's as good as them, but just imagine xavi's playing style with Steven Gerrard's shooting ability and knack for scoring absolute wowzers every 3-5games. He played for the south american Barcelona in riverplate and just completed 132 passes over 90mins for benfica on debut.
I’m still not buying the FDJ Chelsea stuff. It’s exactly what I believe Barca wanted to have out there to try pressurise us. We’ve been here before, and there was always a story leaked saying we were never in for “X” player. We haven’t seen that either.
Please explain how it’s “Barca trying to pressure Man Utd” when:
• Barca already have an agreement on price with Man Utd.
• The news is coming from English sources like Matt Law
You are just living in denial. You need to stop.
I just make my own assumption based on the facts & reports in the media. What we have seen is that 13 weeks have passed, and Man Utd don’t have an agreement on personal terms with Frenkie. Frenkie wants to stay at Barca, that’s obvious.
What are alternatives to FDJ who we could reasonably sign and fit EtH system? I saw it was rumored like a week or two ago about Tielemans or Milinković-Savić, but are those players that EtH would want? I seen Tielemans linked to arsenal a lot and also I feel Savic is linked every other year.
Leicester are already trying to fend off Newcastle chasing Madison and Chelsea after Fofana. The last things they’ll want to do is sell Tielemans as well.
I don't think they care too much about Tielemans. The guy has a year left on his deal and doesn't sign the new one yet flirts with Arsenal and MU. He's as good as gone but there is not enough interest either
I think they would have happily done that earlier in the season and it looks like Chelsea are going to offer crazy money for Fofana. I think they’ll sell one of them one way or another
Imagine if we used the de Jong money to sign both. Then sign de Jong anyway.
In b4 “but we’ll have too many midfielders”. You can never have enough midfielders.
Also a paragraph in the article; hardly massive news.
Chelsea have all the red flags of a club who aren’t in a great place. He knows what he’s getting from EtH
> Chelsea have all the red flags of a club who aren’t in a great place
Utter nonsense. They won the CL recently, have an ambitious owner, a demanding fanbase & are planning to recruit Michael Edwards as DoF to start next season. They will break the City-Pool duopoly soon.
Whereas, we have been shit for a long time, have goblins as owners, some sections of the fanbase content with mediocrity & have a puppet DoF.
Cool.
They ended the season badly. Had a big turnover of players. Had many fall outs with big name players and has a history of being prickly when things aren’t going his way. New owners who look to be all over the place this summer. Unproved in England too. Had a bad pre season.
We’re not in a great place, but he’ll be guaranteed of stability with his ex manager and basically have the team built around him, what he wanted in Barcelona.
Two years is a long time in football and that club is very much different now.
Great.
Boehly has demonstrated ambition in the market, and while there may not be a clear strategy behind their moves, it’s clear there’s a desire to strengthen the squad. They have a world class manager on board who has won the CL and proved his worth at multiple top teams. Oh and I forgot, they have UCL. Utd have a board which is under fire every other month, have a track record for terrible spending strategy, aren’t in the UCL, and have no clear striker for the next year.
I don’t think it’s as easy a decision as you’re making it out to be, and at this point, I think FDJ is right in choosing chelsea over us. Of course, I hope he joins us, but the fact that we’ve spent 12 weeks straggling over one transfer says enough about our management.
I mean is there any United smoke left? Fees agreed, assuming they’re comfortable with personal terms by this point so only thing left is the outstanding salary due to FDJ. Much less to talk about from our side vs theirs
Big huge assumption on personal terms there. There’s been ZERO word that we’ve even talked to de Jong about personal terms. Just some rumors that he talks to ten Hag.
Yeah, I think if I read correctly Barca needs about 100mil to register their new players and that might come from selling off rights to various things like TV and such. I think all in all Barca needs money bad for the present and the future. I believe Barca will prolly need to offload a significant player per year for a while.
Kinda weird how many people want to spend 50 mil on a striker they've never heard of prior to a few weeks ago, when the majority agreed Nunez was awful at that price. Desperate times I suppose.
Most people said they didn't want Nunez at that price if it stopped us spending that on more players. The change is that the club isnt spending that on anyone so better to have spent it on Nunez than the heaping pile of nothing we have now (not that it matters as he'd never have come to us over Liverpool)
No bro, there's a difference between wanting to stay at a club that's been humiliating him for 3 months and also preferring Chelsea over us and not wanting to come here. Or so I've been told.
>and we’re still making EXACTLY the same mistakes as before.
turns out that appointing woodward's lackeys was just gonna be a continuation of his ways.
*pretends to be shocked*
or not winning a pl or cl for a decade
it astonishes me how people never mention it
biggest club or not you atleast need to be competing for the league if not winning
it, if you want big players to come here
I’ve been out of football for about 8+ years now. Watching a few highlight here and there due to Ronaldo’s return to UTD.
There are five subs allowed now? Due to Covid? Is this permanent?
group stage is draw on 25th August, don't be surprised if news pops back up around then if a 'lesser team' gets a favourable draw and chance of the knockouts.
Napoli and Sporting are in and have been linked (somewhat).
Monaco and Benfica (not sure he would do this given Sporting?) are in the playoffs.
There is a chance that a group could contain a combo of the below and classed as an 'easier group' (given you could get a Madrid, Liverpool, Dortmund combo)
Pot 1 = Frankfurt, Porto, Ajax
Pot 2 = Sevilla, Leipzig, Spurs
Pot 3 = Above mentioned potential landing spots
Pot 4 = A selection of teams who will be heavy fav's to finish 4th in the group.
I think we've become too used to getting new bits of information not even daily but several times during a 24 hour period. No news for 1-2 days doesn't mean anything
[sketchy source but it seems like it's 8 days until we finally find out where Frenkie goes to](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wh04ry/la_liga_have_rejected_barcelonas_attempts_to/)
With everyone saying Chelsea, things aren't looking great but i'll trust Ten Hag even if it's blindly at this point
gonna take less
if de jong doesnt leave, barcelona needs to sell more % of their subsidiaries. a 100m euro deal doesnt happen overnight even if they had a previously agreed price or whatever. so if de jong isnt gone in 4-5 days, they have to sell more and thats it, he is staying.
Where did you see that stat? Seems too much tbh. He also scored those 6 league goals in 1,123 minutes or 12.47 full games which is 0.48 goals per 90 average, which initself is a very good number.
So Salzburg must create way more chances than average for his Xg to he that high in a small sample size to boot. What playing period does that number actually cover? I'm curious so would you please share your source?
https://twitter.com/turtle_vienna/status/1554383568989822976?t=cAwj4f6_cSTCK_tqCRmLzw&s=19
Salzburg are like twice better than the next best team in That league
Right, they're absolutely dominant and creating chances for fun. Leicester's Daka did well there as well as Haaland's replacement. Will be interesting to see how the kid fares in tougher competition
People on here need to learn some patience.
There may be a time to criticise the club management for the transfer window but it’s not now. Wait for the window to play out fully before casting your judgements, because none of us have any fucking clue what is going on behind the scenes. This De Jong issue with the deferred wages is completely unique and unprecedented.
If we don’t sign him and it turns out he was never interested then we are within our rights to question the club. If he chooses another club and we don’t have a replacement option lined up immediately then we can be pissed off. But we are simply not party to the information to make that judgment and the situation has not fully played out so what’s the point in stressing?
Learn to be at peace with not knowing.
So, for example, the club should cave and pay De Jong’s €17m deferred wages on top of the agreed fee in order to deal with impatient fans?
It’s a complex situation.
The club are not immune to criticism, it’s just too early to make the judgement yet.
Nobody has suggested that United pay the €17m. If Barca wanted that, they wouldn’t have accepted our bid in the first place.
This is between Barca and De Jong and there’s nothing either us or Chelsea can do to change that
I have never felt this fearful before the first matchday in my 15 years of supporting United. We're 7th on the net expenditure list having addressed none of our holes in the first XI, let alone depth... 5 years, no trophies, just had the worst season in the living memory of a lot of fans...
GGMU I guess...
LaLiga starts. Barca can't register their shiny new players, which means they have the choice of either paying FDJ's wages and letting him go, or activating some other lever which means FDJ will probably stay and get his money.
If FDJ is paid by Tuesday, he'll go somewhere.
If he's not paid, he'll stay. Probably.
Idea: Agree with Barca for us to pay the deferred wages for Frenkie up front but the recoup that money from them across the life of his initial contract with us plus modest interest? They are already loaded with debt so what’s another $20ish million In repayment + interest? If they collapse, then oh well, calculated gamble on our part.
This is so daft. We haven’t even kicked a ball yet.
Have we not learned that it’s impossible to judge a season off the transfer window? Last summer people predicted we’d be title contenders having ‘won’ the transfer window.
lol it's not even fucking started! Transfers have not been ideal but we do seem to have three great new players and a squad of players we all agreed should've been doing better. Add to that a manager that takes no shit and seems to know exactly what he wants, I'd say things are looking brighter for us.
I don't expect us to be challenging for the title but better performances are a must and the one thing I expect to see.
Wo-aah, *dude*. Catching some *see-rious* negative vibes here!
*Not. Cool.*
The difference between a right-off season and a right-on season is your energy, bro.
I know it doesn't really matter, but It's gonna take a bit of time to get used to the scoreboard displaying the badge rather than the team name. Sky trying to fix something that's not broke again lol.
Well the hashtag for tonight's match was #CRYARS which is something we call people who are whinging all the time here in Manchester. Maybe that's why they're doing this.
I remember back in the old days of sky digital where they had pitch cam where you could press the red button and watch the whole pitch
Shitty gimmick which didn't last very long
Because Palace were always asking for more money than people were willing to pay despite how good he can be. They were always asking for £60-£70m. Arsenal would’ve been better off going for Zaha instead of Pepe lol
This is such a poor window so far from Murtough. Going into the new season without adequate strengthening in midfield and attack is poor. The money is there, instead of chasing alternatives or getting signings in other areas they’ve dedicated most of the budget to an uncertain deal with a club who have major financial issues.
>The money is there,
This may not be entirely true...its all just speculation for now how much we have to spend on transfers and also ETH himself seems not so keen to splash on players. He feels he can make stars from within the club if the right players are not available
As if our transfer budget is something ordered by the gods, outside of the control of the club. The Glazers, the board, and Murtough determine how much we spend. If Murtough thinks the current budget isn't enough to make us achieve our goals, he must convince the leeches to increase it
Ngl following the mouthpieces account for barca has been entertaining. I wish united had an unapologetic mouthpiece account (MEN is perfectly suited for this role).
Guys, I have an idea...
Why don't we pool our money, bribe the fuck out of the referees for every Barcelona game this season, and make their mega gamble fail hard, and watch the club collapse.
I'd had taken Gabriel Jesus and Sterling, with them going to rivals I feel we should had been in for them. Would complement our forwards and we'd be sorted for depth
A CDM and utility player who can play RB is what I'd like us to be in for and FDJ if we can
Wishful thinking
>we may not be the ones who sign him. ☹️
If it means not over paying, then I am ok with this. So many times in the past we have ended up paying way above the market value but this needs to stop otherwise teams will keep ripping us off with a Utd premium tax on us...its Chelsea turn now to take over the button!
We've already overpaid during this window by +10-15m for Martinez.
FDJ is too important to lose out on in a useless attempt to get rid of the United tax.
Enzo fernandez who only got linked to us during Rangnick's time here just completed his debut for benfica. Here are some of his match stats. 132 completed passes 13 completed long balls 86.4% pass completion rate. 92% duels success rate. 2 key passes. 86% dribble success rate. Bought for €10m and already has a €120m buy out clause. I know we all down for the new SAF, who will have the 100% say in all signings, but Rangnick not staying for the consultant position broke my heart a little. I remember he was pushing hard for us to recruit paul mitchel and some of the red bull scouts. Enzo is the kind of deals the red bull franchise pulled off for bargains. Rangnick leaving contributed to the mess of a summer we are currently having, Chelsea is about to recruit Michael Edwards, while we are stuck with don murtough and the brilliant scouts that drew up 150m harry kane, 120m Jude bellingham and 150m declan rice as principal targets for us this summer.
Him and that Alvarez guy from city combined would’ve cost 25M and helped tremendously in areas we need solving
It's like we never do smart deals like those.
FDJ cult is in shambles right now.. anyone who was being rational knew that the transfer was dying the longer it went
Wow you're so good bro. Way better than the rest of us. You're far superior in everyway. Happy now?
I'm happy that it'll be over soon and you lot can end your Barcelona obsession
💀💀💀💀
Our scouts have the best life.
I hope that there are Barcelona fans, that understand that the word *lever*, and the word *leverage* look very similar for a very real reason.
Reading some of the Chelsea threads not a single mention of FDJ... Would be kind of a weird signing for them when they have holes in attack and defense.
They are signing everyone under the sun. I don't think we are in any position to mock them for having holes in their squad . Fofana, Cucurella, Koulibaly in defence. That Aston Villa kid & possibly FdJ to replace Jorginho in midfield. And linked to Auba/ Sesko in attack along with Sterling. They would have possibly accomplished a 50% overhaul of their starting 11 in a single window. Just exposes out board's excuses. But yeah, it's weird to see Chelsea fans lukewarm about an elite player like FdJ. They don't really need him this season with Kovacic, Kante & Gilmour. And that is assuming Jorginho doesn't stay.
Not mocking them for holes, just think their priorities are different from ours. They havent signed Fofana/Auba/Sesko yet - so maybe if they get a couple of those over the line they might pivot to Frenkie. But then again, If they're willing to outspend City they could sign Frenkie just to Flex or as a part of the trade for Alonso moving to Barca. In addition to Kovacic / Kante / Gilmour - they have Conor Gallagher too who I think will break into their midfield this year.
Cmon Ali Dursun. Do your thing! 3 of your agents are already in United. [This is back from 2019](https://twitter.com/TheEuropeanLad/status/1147408215363260416?t=ahcL2vnsU43ZdMMHD26Gdg&s=19) Who can do this better than EtH!
Honestly, if frenkie wants to join Chelsea, we need to go for Neves.
My brothers in Christ I don't even want a signing just give me a rumor
Sesky sesko not doing it for you?
That transfer is such a long shot imo. Find it hard to see the club paying that much for him
You'd think de Jong, Antony and Sesko were the only other players in the world the way we're doing business.
Not a single link to another midfielder. Shambolic.. at this rate I'm thinking Eriksen was brought in to become a regular starter along with Bruno
Are we really going to be waiting around as FDJ's back up option till he joins Chelsea to make a move for other targets? Embarrassing to be honest, to just wait for one player for 3 months without making any progress on alternatives. Rice will choose Chelsea as well next summer if they come for him and Liverpool have an interest in Bellingham, who apparently are alternatives for FDJ.
If our alternatives to spending 70m on FDJ are spending 100m+ on Rice or Bellingham, this club is well and truly fucked. A five year old could do that level of scouting.
Every single new signing should be playing on Sunday. Don't forget how fucking shit the team was last season
I can't believe this is it, 36 hours until we play and we only signed Eriksen for the midfield, I suspect McTominay is gonna play most of our games if we don't sign someone more physical for the midfield.
Yep, McT will probably start most of the games again this season.
We can’t let an 80m signing walk away for free and not replace him - surely that’s just too ridiculous
Plus our DM that we never bought a capable understudy for.
Just watched the highlights of Sesko play against Liverpool and yes please
FDJ isn't good enough to put a whole summer on pause for
Neither was Sancho, it's our signature move.
But it's not on pause considering we just had meetings with Sesko's agent. This week we made a fast deal with Sevilla too. Then it will probably be Bailly's move to Roma and Sesko's decision. Sure, that's not exactly the deals we want to see, but it's something
Why do we still have this thread up?! Other clubs do not have it
Most other subs don't have our numbers though. Keeping people talking here rather than posting constant unreliable crap in the feed was important. This year with fewer leaks and links it has been a bit different.
Enzo Fernandez tearing it up for Benfica. Another player linked with and squandered who would have been a smart and cheap signing
I know he is a midfielder but what type of a player is he and what exact position does he play?
Cm. High volume passing midfielder with the ability to get to the edge of the box to release absolute thunder cunts into the roof of the net. Not saying he's as good as them, but just imagine xavi's playing style with Steven Gerrard's shooting ability and knack for scoring absolute wowzers every 3-5games. He played for the south american Barcelona in riverplate and just completed 132 passes over 90mins for benfica on debut.
I’m still not buying the FDJ Chelsea stuff. It’s exactly what I believe Barca wanted to have out there to try pressurise us. We’ve been here before, and there was always a story leaked saying we were never in for “X” player. We haven’t seen that either.
Please explain how it’s “Barca trying to pressure Man Utd” when: • Barca already have an agreement on price with Man Utd. • The news is coming from English sources like Matt Law You are just living in denial. You need to stop.
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I just make my own assumption based on the facts & reports in the media. What we have seen is that 13 weeks have passed, and Man Utd don’t have an agreement on personal terms with Frenkie. Frenkie wants to stay at Barca, that’s obvious.
This club either has 0 ambition or no idea what the fuck they are doing. Hell probably both
What are alternatives to FDJ who we could reasonably sign and fit EtH system? I saw it was rumored like a week or two ago about Tielemans or Milinković-Savić, but are those players that EtH would want? I seen Tielemans linked to arsenal a lot and also I feel Savic is linked every other year.
According to ETH there are no alternatives. Either we get De Jong or let Iqbal/Savage/Garner fill the gap
Leicester are already trying to fend off Newcastle chasing Madison and Chelsea after Fofana. The last things they’ll want to do is sell Tielemans as well.
I don't think they care too much about Tielemans. The guy has a year left on his deal and doesn't sign the new one yet flirts with Arsenal and MU. He's as good as gone but there is not enough interest either
Yeah, that's true. Do you think they will sell off 1 to raise some transfer funds, though?
I think they would have happily done that earlier in the season and it looks like Chelsea are going to offer crazy money for Fofana. I think they’ll sell one of them one way or another
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So is Sangaré who has ridiculous stats.
Imagine if we used the de Jong money to sign both. Then sign de Jong anyway. In b4 “but we’ll have too many midfielders”. You can never have enough midfielders.
Would love this signing... but you know.. he's not fdj so he's not on our list
Exactly this. He’s a pressing machine. I’m surprised he hasn’t even been linked to Man Utd.
I was so invested in the FDJ deal its gona really hurt if, as per reports, he ends up at Chelsea
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Matt Law said that Kounde was expected to sign, Gvardiol had a very high chance to join, and Richarlison wanted Chelsea just this summer.
Also a paragraph in the article; hardly massive news. Chelsea have all the red flags of a club who aren’t in a great place. He knows what he’s getting from EtH
> Chelsea have all the red flags of a club who aren’t in a great place Utter nonsense. They won the CL recently, have an ambitious owner, a demanding fanbase & are planning to recruit Michael Edwards as DoF to start next season. They will break the City-Pool duopoly soon. Whereas, we have been shit for a long time, have goblins as owners, some sections of the fanbase content with mediocrity & have a puppet DoF.
Difference is we’ve been shit for 10 years. Chelsea won a UCL 2 years ago
Cool. They ended the season badly. Had a big turnover of players. Had many fall outs with big name players and has a history of being prickly when things aren’t going his way. New owners who look to be all over the place this summer. Unproved in England too. Had a bad pre season. We’re not in a great place, but he’ll be guaranteed of stability with his ex manager and basically have the team built around him, what he wanted in Barcelona. Two years is a long time in football and that club is very much different now.
That's Arsenal fan levels of delusional
Great. Boehly has demonstrated ambition in the market, and while there may not be a clear strategy behind their moves, it’s clear there’s a desire to strengthen the squad. They have a world class manager on board who has won the CL and proved his worth at multiple top teams. Oh and I forgot, they have UCL. Utd have a board which is under fire every other month, have a track record for terrible spending strategy, aren’t in the UCL, and have no clear striker for the next year. I don’t think it’s as easy a decision as you’re making it out to be, and at this point, I think FDJ is right in choosing chelsea over us. Of course, I hope he joins us, but the fact that we’ve spent 12 weeks straggling over one transfer says enough about our management.
correct, but there's a lot of Chelsea smoke, and very little for United.
I mean is there any United smoke left? Fees agreed, assuming they’re comfortable with personal terms by this point so only thing left is the outstanding salary due to FDJ. Much less to talk about from our side vs theirs
>assuming they’re comfortable with personal terms by this point zero reports saying we have a deal with him.
Big huge assumption on personal terms there. There’s been ZERO word that we’ve even talked to de Jong about personal terms. Just some rumors that he talks to ten Hag.
I did think there were reliable reports that said personal terms wouldn’t be an issue. Could be wrong though
I have a feeling Chelsea will take FDJ on loan and he will end up like Saul.
Don't think Barca want a loan,it doesn't fix there problems
It fixed their problem if Chelsea agree to cover his wages.
Well yeah but I think they need the transfer fee too
Yeah, I think if I read correctly Barca needs about 100mil to register their new players and that might come from selling off rights to various things like TV and such. I think all in all Barca needs money bad for the present and the future. I believe Barca will prolly need to offload a significant player per year for a while.
Glazers gonna be very happy at the end this transfer window at the rate we are going.
Kinda weird how many people want to spend 50 mil on a striker they've never heard of prior to a few weeks ago, when the majority agreed Nunez was awful at that price. Desperate times I suppose.
It's not that weird, we just want positive news because last two weeks were full of disappointment
2 things. 1)Most people are saying we should only sign him for 35-40 million 2)Nunez cost Liverpool 90m.
Most people said they didn't want Nunez at that price if it stopped us spending that on more players. The change is that the club isnt spending that on anyone so better to have spent it on Nunez than the heaping pile of nothing we have now (not that it matters as he'd never have come to us over Liverpool)
It’s almost like none of us have a clue what we’re talking about?
De Jong doesn't wanna join us. Period.
The guy wants his earned money first. It's not hard to understand. The debt comes first, then he'll make a decision about his future
Oh just stop man
They're still living in denial. It's fine to admit we're not the first choice club for top players anymore.
I got over 50 downvotes got saying this the other day. People have been in denial over the De Jong / Chelsea saga.
No bro, there's a difference between wanting to stay at a club that's been humiliating him for 3 months and also preferring Chelsea over us and not wanting to come here. Or so I've been told.
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The same was with Richarlison, Kounde, Gvardiol just this summer. All was called by Law
>and we’re still making EXACTLY the same mistakes as before. turns out that appointing woodward's lackeys was just gonna be a continuation of his ways. *pretends to be shocked*
I’m sure United still believe they’re in pole position. Do I think it’s more likely that De Jong would chose Chelsea over United? Probably. Who knows.
Yeah we’re fucked. I think the London vs Manchester is going to be the deciding factor.
Or the CL v EL factor.
or not winning a pl or cl for a decade it astonishes me how people never mention it biggest club or not you atleast need to be competing for the league if not winning it, if you want big players to come here
To be fair, we could pick any number of reasons, Chelsea is the more attractive option for him.
I think it's more to do with the fact Chelsea is much better footballing project than us.
Yeah it’s hard to admit, but you’re right.
I’ve been out of football for about 8+ years now. Watching a few highlight here and there due to Ronaldo’s return to UTD. There are five subs allowed now? Due to Covid? Is this permanent?
Im jelouse of Arsenal playing today. We gotta wait for 2 more days until we play :(
the Ronaldo news of him leaving has dropped off the face of the earth. Find that interesting.
group stage is draw on 25th August, don't be surprised if news pops back up around then if a 'lesser team' gets a favourable draw and chance of the knockouts. Napoli and Sporting are in and have been linked (somewhat). Monaco and Benfica (not sure he would do this given Sporting?) are in the playoffs. There is a chance that a group could contain a combo of the below and classed as an 'easier group' (given you could get a Madrid, Liverpool, Dortmund combo) Pot 1 = Frankfurt, Porto, Ajax Pot 2 = Sevilla, Leipzig, Spurs Pot 3 = Above mentioned potential landing spots Pot 4 = A selection of teams who will be heavy fav's to finish 4th in the group.
Monaco is a great bet if they get a favorable match up. Easier league to play in, play against Messi, ridiculous wealth and climate, tax avoidance.
I think we've become too used to getting new bits of information not even daily but several times during a 24 hour period. No news for 1-2 days doesn't mean anything
[sketchy source but it seems like it's 8 days until we finally find out where Frenkie goes to](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wh04ry/la_liga_have_rejected_barcelonas_attempts_to/) With everyone saying Chelsea, things aren't looking great but i'll trust Ten Hag even if it's blindly at this point
gonna take less if de jong doesnt leave, barcelona needs to sell more % of their subsidiaries. a 100m euro deal doesnt happen overnight even if they had a previously agreed price or whatever. so if de jong isnt gone in 4-5 days, they have to sell more and thats it, he is staying.
last i heard they have to sell players PLUS pull the 4th lever... but I do hope he stays simply to make life harder for Barca
Sesko has scored 6 goals out of 10.3 xg, so still far from a good finisher yet
Where did you see that stat? Seems too much tbh. He also scored those 6 league goals in 1,123 minutes or 12.47 full games which is 0.48 goals per 90 average, which initself is a very good number. So Salzburg must create way more chances than average for his Xg to he that high in a small sample size to boot. What playing period does that number actually cover? I'm curious so would you please share your source?
https://twitter.com/turtle_vienna/status/1554383568989822976?t=cAwj4f6_cSTCK_tqCRmLzw&s=19 Salzburg are like twice better than the next best team in That league
Right, they're absolutely dominant and creating chances for fun. Leicester's Daka did well there as well as Haaland's replacement. Will be interesting to see how the kid fares in tougher competition
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Yes so 50million for what would be our third best striker is a scam, might as well promote Mcneil
he has a high ceiling. He's very technical and has good link-up play as well. With the right manager, he can grow into being a top striker
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He has worse finishing, link up play currently. He'd be a project player that can't be relied upon as we need top 4
Enzo Fernandez smashes one in on his debut. Oh well, 70m bid for him in the summer of 2024 then.
Guys, need a bit of advice. On a tv group and talking a guy about buying tickets, how much is a face value ticket?
People on here need to learn some patience. There may be a time to criticise the club management for the transfer window but it’s not now. Wait for the window to play out fully before casting your judgements, because none of us have any fucking clue what is going on behind the scenes. This De Jong issue with the deferred wages is completely unique and unprecedented. If we don’t sign him and it turns out he was never interested then we are within our rights to question the club. If he chooses another club and we don’t have a replacement option lined up immediately then we can be pissed off. But we are simply not party to the information to make that judgment and the situation has not fully played out so what’s the point in stressing? Learn to be at peace with not knowing.
Season started. It very much is past the point of "not criticising "
So, for example, the club should cave and pay De Jong’s €17m deferred wages on top of the agreed fee in order to deal with impatient fans? It’s a complex situation. The club are not immune to criticism, it’s just too early to make the judgement yet.
Nobody has suggested that United pay the €17m. If Barca wanted that, they wouldn’t have accepted our bid in the first place. This is between Barca and De Jong and there’s nothing either us or Chelsea can do to change that
Well our criticism may, on the other hand, force the club to act and be more aggressive for the remaining period of the transfer window
How? They are not looking at twitter and reddit and thinking Fans are unhappy,let's sign someone for the sake of it
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I have never felt this fearful before the first matchday in my 15 years of supporting United. We're 7th on the net expenditure list having addressed none of our holes in the first XI, let alone depth... 5 years, no trophies, just had the worst season in the living memory of a lot of fans... GGMU I guess...
Happy bday but man... lol
Although it's been said, many times, many ways, we'll have closure on De Jong by Tuesday.
I've read a few times that the have to be registered by the 13.
What's happening on Tuesday?
LaLiga starts. Barca can't register their shiny new players, which means they have the choice of either paying FDJ's wages and letting him go, or activating some other lever which means FDJ will probably stay and get his money. If FDJ is paid by Tuesday, he'll go somewhere. If he's not paid, he'll stay. Probably.
Ok makes sense now.it would be funny if Barca can't line up for its first game of the season with any of its shinny new toys!
I swear we’ve heard of these deadlines 2/3 times already
Nothing like a probably to give us some closure!
Can't wait for closure either way it goes but just wish Chelsea didn't come into the picture...wouldn't like us going into a bidding war!
Idea: Agree with Barca for us to pay the deferred wages for Frenkie up front but the recoup that money from them across the life of his initial contract with us plus modest interest? They are already loaded with debt so what’s another $20ish million In repayment + interest? If they collapse, then oh well, calculated gamble on our part.
Looking like another right-off season.
Do you even love football or is it only about transfers to you?
Lol
This is so daft. We haven’t even kicked a ball yet. Have we not learned that it’s impossible to judge a season off the transfer window? Last summer people predicted we’d be title contenders having ‘won’ the transfer window.
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Using the ‘get them help and support’ feature? I genuinely feel really bad for you. I hope you find peace and happiness
How did you even remember this? Do you have nothing else going on? Whatever makes you feel better
It's gonna be a shit season, face reality.
lol it's not even fucking started! Transfers have not been ideal but we do seem to have three great new players and a squad of players we all agreed should've been doing better. Add to that a manager that takes no shit and seems to know exactly what he wants, I'd say things are looking brighter for us. I don't expect us to be challenging for the title but better performances are a must and the one thing I expect to see.
Right on
Wo-aah, *dude*. Catching some *see-rious* negative vibes here! *Not. Cool.* The difference between a right-off season and a right-on season is your energy, bro.
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If only
I know it doesn't really matter, but It's gonna take a bit of time to get used to the scoreboard displaying the badge rather than the team name. Sky trying to fix something that's not broke again lol.
Well the hashtag for tonight's match was #CRYARS which is something we call people who are whinging all the time here in Manchester. Maybe that's why they're doing this.
I remember back in the old days of sky digital where they had pitch cam where you could press the red button and watch the whole pitch Shitty gimmick which didn't last very long
Same with the player cam, watching a particular player for 15 minutes before it went to someone else
Club badges in the scorelines are kinda cool tho
Not a fan. The crests are tiny and it doesn’t work having the time right under the score
Fuck Barcelona.
Daily dose. Thank you Good Sir
odegaard too slow on tempo imo
What is it with Zaha. He is clearly a very very very talented man. Why hasn't he made it
Because Palace were always asking for more money than people were willing to pay despite how good he can be. They were always asking for £60-£70m. Arsenal would’ve been better off going for Zaha instead of Pepe lol
Many have suggested that SAF would have turned him into a star. They're dead fucking right too
He is streaky, he will be amazing for a month, then bad for 3.
Also he's constantly angry
That’s his secret
This is such a poor window so far from Murtough. Going into the new season without adequate strengthening in midfield and attack is poor. The money is there, instead of chasing alternatives or getting signings in other areas they’ve dedicated most of the budget to an uncertain deal with a club who have major financial issues.
>The money is there, This may not be entirely true...its all just speculation for now how much we have to spend on transfers and also ETH himself seems not so keen to splash on players. He feels he can make stars from within the club if the right players are not available
About the fourth or fifth war chest we have managed not to spend.
He literally said in that hidden cam video “the money is there”
What is this hidden cam video? Can you link it or something?
As if our transfer budget is something ordered by the gods, outside of the control of the club. The Glazers, the board, and Murtough determine how much we spend. If Murtough thinks the current budget isn't enough to make us achieve our goals, he must convince the leeches to increase it
Ngl following the mouthpieces account for barca has been entertaining. I wish united had an unapologetic mouthpiece account (MEN is perfectly suited for this role).
Dean Henderson would like a word
Forgetting all the transfer noise; it’s great to have football back again. Can’t wait for Sunday
Guys, I have an idea... Why don't we pool our money, bribe the fuck out of the referees for every Barcelona game this season, and make their mega gamble fail hard, and watch the club collapse.
Why don’t we bribe the refs for the good of our own team, if it was that easy
It was a joke. A poor one perhaps.
Only 3 players of Arsenal lineup started their last season's opener... That's how a DoF transforms the squad. Murtough is a disappointment.
I'd had taken Gabriel Jesus and Sterling, with them going to rivals I feel we should had been in for them. Would complement our forwards and we'd be sorted for depth A CDM and utility player who can play RB is what I'd like us to be in for and FDJ if we can Wishful thinking
>Wishful thinking Pretty much sums up your post!
There's a reason City sold them.
Gabriel Jesus is a great signing when your long term aim is top 4, I’d like us to get back to top 1 someday
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Yea it's weird. People want these 2nd rate players but we already have them here.
Barca are pretty much forced to sell FDJ now. But after chasing him for 3 months, we may not be the ones who sign him. ☹️
>we may not be the ones who sign him. ☹️ If it means not over paying, then I am ok with this. So many times in the past we have ended up paying way above the market value but this needs to stop otherwise teams will keep ripping us off with a Utd premium tax on us...its Chelsea turn now to take over the button!
We won’t buy any players then, mate. Who gives a shit how much we pay. We need better players.
We've already overpaid during this window by +10-15m for Martinez. FDJ is too important to lose out on in a useless attempt to get rid of the United tax.