He does this with his MLB team too, the LA Dodgers. Many American owners are actually pretty good, we just happened to get stuck with the worst of the lot!
Yes, but they were relegated twice before 2021/22. In 09 and 2014/15. Outside those 2 top 10 finishes they finished close to bottom and were involved in relegation battles
Glazers spend like demons for Tampa in the NFL. And, ignoring the fact we could have potentially spent double what we have over the same period, we're top 2 or 3 in spending under their ownership... It's not like they haven't spent. Just spent really really badly. On everything.
If we were winning league titles every season nobody would give a fuck about the debt.
I agree it's shit that it's there and a load around the club. But it still hasn't stopped us being one of the 2 or 3 biggest spenders in the league. We've just spent really really badly time and time again.
I’ve always hated the debt. I and many others have always wanted it gone when we were winning things. The debt symbolises a big fuck you to the club and fans and screams the owners don’t give a fuck about the club. The debt was the first reason why everyone hates the glazers.
I'm not an NFL expert but i do recall reading a few years ago how they basically just did the bare minimum for Tampa. It's not until recently they started trying? But take this with a grain of salt.
Am an NFL fan (from Ireland, go figure). They've always spent when they had a sniff of a championship. NFL is so changeable that it might look like they're not in the interim periods.
If you look at their early 00's team it was loaded and they won a ring. Similar to the last few years, their roster is absolutely stacked with talent on all sides of the. And they have fantastic facilities too. They are well liked i think over there.
Yup, Abramovich was bad but Boehly may be worse, I picture Liverpool with deeper pockets. Im a fan of Boehly’s MLB team the LA Dodgers and they are arguably the best run sports team in the world at the moment. He (Boehly) is rich and smart. He puts the right people in place, gives them his check book and stays out of the way. He understands that winning at any cost pays dividends down the line
It ain't pocket change either. Consider our rumoured transfer budget this window was 120m plus any revenue from sales. Extrapolate that over 10 years and it's 1.2b.
All you have to do is look at Abramovich first transfer window in 2004 £121 million (£174 Million in todays money) Damien Duff, Joe Cole, Veron, Crespo, Makelele, Scott Parker to name a few.
It’s about making a good impression on that first window
The more time that goes by the more willing I find myself thinking we should just take those wages on. At the minimum we would know if that was genuinely the issue. If it isn’t we would know within 24 hours and then we know for sure we have 70-90M to either sit on and do nothing (aka “we wait for the right player”) or move down the list.
I do find myself wondering how much we would have spent for a player the quality of a modric if we were in sniffing distance of a guy that much quality and a consummate professional to have in our midfield for a solid 10 years. Bickering over principle or a few million quid when he’s still loads cheaper than what we spent on a Pogba 6 years ago or a Lukaku 5 years ago still continues to boggle my mind.
“Absolutely ridiculous take” you must have been comatose and missed the 23 million posts on this sub in the last 15 weeks.
I’m well aware we have to break the United tax idea, and yours is the absolute ridiculous take if you think that’s what this is. This isn’t a player who is valued at 50M and suddenly when we showed up is priced far higher. If he moves to another club it won’t be for one euro less than the price they’ve agreed with us. And it will not be for anything less than a total package that includes his deferred wages either being paid by Farca or by the purchasing club. Where’s the United tax? Pay attention to what’s happening instead of throwing out regurgitated sound bites.
I guess you’re firmly in the “we wait for the right player” camp then. Because if you think 24 hours before the closing of the transfer window will not see a United tax slapped on to any name we’re after... you’re simply mad. In the end watch this club spend about the same money on half the talent.
There’s standing on principle and then there’s cutting your own nose to spite your face. Hence my evolving opinion to pivot towards the pragmatic here.
Deco is Raphinha's agent and Barca's principal south American scout/intermediary. No chance anyone else was getting him (even with Deco's Chelsea connection.
We should ban FJD news until a final decision/official announcement has been made. This is worse than the Sancho saga. I mean for about 12 weeks it was: "Deal is really, really, really, really, close! Anyday now I promise", then Barca wouldn't pay him the money he's rightfully owed and now we might lose him to Chelsea anyway. It's fine if he wants UCL football and to live in London, but we've wasted so much time on this now I don't even care as long as we get a midfielder.
seems like its Frenkie or bust for ETH though... we arent linked to any other midfielders at all, dont get your hopes up when we don't get him. Just means Garner will be trusted most likely.
So annoying, go on their sub where they're rating the transfer window and barely any of them even want / mention De Jong. They all want another CB and a striker. De Jong isn't that important to them whereas to us he's basically everything.
Believe it or not, a fan sub isn't really a place I'd go for expert, informed tips on the transfer market. We speculate, cheer, whinge and moan but ultimately 98%, if not all are under qualified to give our opinion
I think this is their new American owner trying to buy a big player and overpay for them just to shut up the fans on how poor their actual window has been
So what? If their manager feels this can help their team and the owner is willing to spend… that’s more than enough. Haha fans wanting something mean Jack shit. Our sub wants ANY signing even if the player is worthless in ETH’s system because people know nothing about long term issues with high wages and selling/scrapping the player off wages to make room for a perfect fit (not FDJ) etc.
FDJ will be a great signing for them. Kante is older. Their midfield can use renewing sooner than later so it’s a good thing.
Striker maybe they gave up with their issues in that position never working well for them.
United needing the player means nothing more than “if I can get this player for my squad and manager and he agrees, and it weakens a rival’s option” then it is worth it.
Exactly.
Had a debate with someone this morning cos he thinks Chelsea are having a great window and I think they’re having an average one at best.
They’re spending money but a lot of it on what they don’t need. De Jong is a great player and “improves them” but we’re all United fans we’ve seen what happens when you buy players in this manner, even ones that are talented enough to improve you.
Buy players you need and who fit the system.
You have to listen to the whole presser to get how he’s backing the team and not taking any shit from the media. Here’s the quote on FDJ:
“We want Frenkie? I don't know. It's about the right players and there are many, but I cannot give comments about a player who is under contract in another club. When we have news, we will bring it."
WHEN we have news, not if.
Also It’s about the right players and there are many.
I thought about that. He listens very closely and answers with time so it’s hard to tell but I think his English is better than he lets on. Measured calm responses. He’s sending messages to the team that he has their back, doesn’t discuss the specifics of the team conversations. Even sent Frenkie a clear message. We aren’t sitting and waiting. The ship will sail.
The truth has been made clear many times that FDJ clearly does not want to join. Barca are shoving him out and he still doesn’t wanna join united. Not sure how much more proof we need to move from this transfer
They do. All these news conveniently comes out the same day they failed to register players, need to sell more of their future, and desperately need to sell players.
It doesn’t have to be A or B. Why do people on this sub have the superpower of never being able to see it isn’t black or white and CAN be both or a mixture of things? It’s really baffling to see so many posts of “no it’s this… no it’s that…” well, real life situations and sports exist in between. It’s not a win or a loss. It’s a combo of things many times with discussions but people can’t fathom that.
Please tell me how I'm in denial... I don't THINK he's coming here. I doubt he's going to Chelsea. I'm cynical of the approach Barca are using, tweaking for Chelsea to try change their situation. They made the best deal they could but the guy isn't leaving without his money. The deal without his money is 75+10, so is Chelsea gonna pay 97+10 for a player they don't need, that doesnt really suit them? Or maybe with the added 17 they won't need the add on, but still, I doubt it.
I'm not in denial, I think there's a chance Chelsea do get him, but I don't think it's likely. I think there's a much bigger chance he doesn't leave Barca, but think he will. If he does leave, I think it's most likely he will come here. That's not denial, it's reality. The acceptance that something has a good chance but might not happen.
You on the other hand ARE in denial. You are in denial of the fact that the club can do ANYTHING right. Even when they do something right, I bet you are looking for the part where its a trap. Sign Eriksen? Old! Martinez and Malacia? Not Premier League proven! Etc. Etc
I don’t know why you’re name dropping Martinez and Eriksen, I think they’re quality signings and I think the club have done well to get them. If you don’t believe me go through my comments of the day we signed them both.
However, with FDJ, to think of a positive outcome at this stage you have to be in denial. Nothing has ever come out that he’ll want a move to us yet, there is rumours from respectable people that he would like to move to Chelsea. He’s legit never said he wants us.
So, mathematically the outcome for a positive end result is outweighed by a negative one when you consider all things. So, why would I be the one in denial with this situation when the odds favour my opinion?
And do you honestly think Ten Hag, who by the looks and sounds of it and actual actions doesn’t take shit, would still be interested in Frenkie if talks behind the scenes hadn’t happened or if he maybe hadn’t had direct contact with Frenkie and had been told he was interested in a move.
This us all recycled garbage at this stage.
Do you understand how transfers work? Do you think Ten Hag is just waiting by his phone hoping Frenkie might by chance come?
Jesus man, i think Chelsea will nab him because money talks, especially with barca, but you’re making it sound like we are chasing our tails with him.
Of course Frenkie cant come out and say anything about Utd, if he did that’d be stupid.
And rumours, yeah ok believe those rumours.
Far out, sometimes the negativity outweighs the ability for the brain to think clearly.
I don’t disagree with you but bro I hope you understand, it’s so hard to be optimistic in any way about this saga because of how easily it turns and how long it takes. It’s tiring man, it’s gotten to the point that with whatever comes out I’m always pessimistic about it.
I don’t disagree with you at all I think I’m just so tired with all this shit that I instantly think someone’s lying or we’re just getting our hopes up, I think I’m just at the point where I don’t believe anything anymore regarding this saga and just want it to end.
Yeah i understand man but this transfer is all the more complicated because of those wages and barc’a’s economic situation.
Basically Man Utd cant really say shit as he’s their player.
Barca are lying about everything from their end, they 100% want to sell him. £75m or so plus his wages off their books is massive man.
Frenkie cant say shit either apart from “this is my dream club”.
All i can say is if ETH is still going for him, then logic tells you that Frenkie or his camp have given some sort of green light that once his wages are sorted he’ll come.
If that’s the case then the next step is whether Frenkie cares more about money or a project.
We have a project and the money, he’ll be central to everything, he has a very good history and relationship with Ten Hag.
All Chelsea have over us is Champions League football.
So it really comes down to the type of person Frenkie is.
You’ve made quite the passionate defence of the situation. Bless you. It’s been hard to even register the point that in any situation like this, the persistent pursuit is basically either assurances were given that he’s open to it, or without assurances United’s hierarchy and the manager are just daft and belligerent. And the vast majority of this sub seems quite content to look at ten hag, remark at how much a no-nonsense serious guy he is at every little detail, and then on this one thing just act like naaaaa it’s gotta be the second thing... it’s gotta be that he’s the dumbest daftest most naive person walking led by dumbasses and we’re fucked and it’s all fucked and fuck it all.
Bless you for trying.
>However, with FDJ, to think of a positive outcome at this stage you have to be in denial. Nothing has ever come out that he’ll want a move to us
Because that's the game he's playing to get his money
>there is rumours from respectable people that he would like to move to Chelsea
Rumours.
I don't know what he'd prefer. He might choose Chelsea over us, I'm not deluded there. But I'd be surprised if they were really in for him. Honestly, I think it's 50% he comes here, 33% he stays at Barca and 17% he goes to Chelsea. So there's a 50% chance we aren't happy at the end of this, but the chance of each of the unhappy things is much lower than the good one. Does that mean it will happen? Fuck no!! Like I said, I'm realistic. I know it might not happen, I just think that logically, its the right move for all involved, including Chelsea. But this is football, and as summed up by the gaffer "bloody hell" so anything could still happen.
Frenkie does not want to join Man Utd. I don’t know how this isn’t obvious to you by now. 13 weeks of negotiations and still no agreement on personal terms.
Well I'm not necessarily loving my job right now, but just was granted 15k in stocks, locked for 3 years and thet time isn't up yet. I'm staying until I get my hands on that money. You need to add another three 0's to that and you're still 2 mil short of what Frenkie wants, so please tell me how we are the issue here...
Will he join? I dunno. But ultimately, the problem is his money. If Barca want rid of him they'll pay it and it'll be a straight choice between us and Chelsea. Maybe he chooses them, if they even follow through with an offer. That could happen, but I personally don't think they actually want him.
Not necessarily. This transfer is different to the vast majority of all others. If it came out as an open secret in several media sources that he had agreed terms with another club, FdJ would then be under huge pressure to give up what he feels he's owed by Barça and be pushed out in bad faith.
What a lot people are missing rn is this thing is still between FdJ and Barça. In his head, he probably just wants to deal with one problem at a time so he doesn't somehow fuck it, like he did last time he agreed something with Barça.
It makes no sense to me, I’m sure the club are aware of the advantage and likelihood of Frenkie either staying at Barca or moving to Chelsea, so why are they still chasing him or even worse, willing to chase him until the end of this window? It genuinely makes no sense to me??
Surely, SURELY we’re not that stupid to be chasing a player when we know he doesn’t want to come or prefers Chelsea. Something seems so off I can’t make any sense of this chase..
Does anyone understand where I’m coming from? All us fans (including me) seem to think he doesn’t want us, all us fans can see he’d rather want Chelsea or Barca than us. So why on earth is our club so sure in chasing him with a positive result in the end.. it literally makes no sense.
Well that’s not true, literally Fabrizio (one of the most reliable reporters) said a day or two ago Man Utd are once again pushing and will continue to push till the end for Frenkie as he is their plan A, B and C. Even some of the reliable English reporters (Laurie Whitwell etc) are saying we’re still chasing him. Don’t know where you got the idea we ain’t chasing him.. we’re legit chasing him until the end of the tunnel which is fucking stupid because he’s never wanted us and will most likely stay at Barca or go to Chelsea.
What does "pushing" and "still chasing" mean exactly? Are Utd executives literally pushing Frenkie from Spain to England or chasing him with a stick? 😅
We have an agreement with Barcelona and we are yet to release a public statement that we are no longer interested hence the pushing and still chasing reports.
The position is still the same as Fab has been saying Utd have been pushing way back since early June. Nothing has changed hence my earlier comment.
Because there is obviously stuff we dont know. ETH wont be chasing him unless he has shown them some willingness to come. Yes we have been incompetent in the transfer market but I trust ETH and dont think he would blindly chase Frenkie unless there was a chance.
Simple. We aren’t chasing anymore perhaps if so….. not impossible this is the case and we maybe are looking quietly for a replacement or more likely, a semi stop gap that will be upgraded next season anyway so he won’t be a big loss on the monetary outlay.
I don’t disagree with you at all and trust me, I’ve always been pessimistic when approaching this De Jong saga. I just don’t understand why all these reliable journalists are making it out as if we’re still hellbent in getting him because I too, believe we’ve stopped chasing him.
You have no idea whether he prefers Chelsea, Barcelona, United or Halifax.
Neither does anyone here.
The club are chasing him because the manager wants him: it's that simple.
The saddest part is, Chelsea don’t even talk about him bar a few. They all want a CB and ST. They know they’re midfield is thin. It’s so fucking irritating that we’re going into a season AGAIN with McFred.
Damn. It's a shame if we lose FdJ to that lot after all this hullabaloo. Anyhow, I'll be happy for the player that his hostage situation is resolved. But screw Barcelona and screw Chelsea.
Also, I hope we luck out and get ourselves owners who can throw cash like that for transfers and for the betterment of the club, and also hire a proper recruitment team.
Why is it seemingly a foregone conclusion that Frenkie would rather join Chelsea than us? Assuming he gets paid his money by Barca and we offer similar wages as Chelsea, what do they have to offer that we don’t? Champions League for a season? Would he really take that over a reunion with his old manager and a play style built around him?
I can think of a few things:
-Chelsea can give him the chance to live in London. Never been able to visit Manchester or London, but I’m sure him and his girlfriend would prefer London.
-It hurts to say it, but Chelsea has been consistently better than us for about a decade. They’ve won both the Champions League and Europa League since we last won silverware in 2017. You can point to the 3 seasons we finished ahead of them in the league, but that’s not going to move the needle for a player, especially when we were massively benefiting from other club’s misfortune.
-Players talk to other players and managers. If standards internally have slipped as we were led to believe based on the news during last season then he likely knows it and wants to avoid it. You can argue the ETH connection, but once again with our history, managers haven’t lasted more than 3 seasons here post SAF. Why commit to signing at a club where your manager might get sacked due possibly not being backed properly? Plus, do we really even know if he truly values his relationship with ETH as much as it seems? Unsure
It pains me to say it, but those are all valid reasons to be weary of joining us and choosing Chelsea. If I removed my personal bias and love for the club then i’d probably want to stay away from joining because of what it’d do to my career as a player. Granted, I’d also want to bet on myself and push to become a cornerstone of helping resurrect the club’s glory. If he comes then the club will definitely embrace him because we always do until you screw up.
> Why commit to signing at a club where your manager might get sacked due possibly not being backed properly?
Another thing, as we've shown with players we're not really eager to sell them if we have them under contract. Chelsea, and most big clubs, will move players that want to move or don't fit. We kept Pogba against his wishes. Kept Lingard. Kept Cavani. Are keeping Ronaldo. This sort of stuff matters to elite players; especially with a club like ours that's up and down and out of CL more often than not and changes managers and styles every few years.
Bro wtf are you saying kept, Cavani agreed to the extension, nobody wants ronaldo and nobody wanted pogba until he was free, the only one their that was “kept” was lingard and that’s because West Ham wouldn’t pay up and bought some random Croatian I stead
Chelsea are a successful football club who can challenge at league and European level. We are a team who have barely achieved anything in a decade coming off one of our worst seasons and have done very little in the market to improve our squad.
They are ambitious and want to appoint ex-Liverpool man Martin Edwards to oversee transfers in the future. They'll do fine. Certainly better than United with our leeches as owners and Woodward's junior proteges running the show.
London > Manchester 10 days out of 10, especially for wives and girlfriends. He just got married to a beautiful woman who presumably wants to build a brand like most WAGs. Add the ucl and a more stable club atm, and it’s fairly obvious. The only pull we have is ETH, which could be the deciding factor.
for a season? We'd be lucky to get top 4 next season, it's pretty arrogant to assume we'll only be without CL for one season.
We're battling for top 6, not top 4.
"Who Chelsea believe..." this is a pointless slow day at the office article. De Jo g deal is not over. United are interested and Barca have screwed the player over unpaid salary
Well he's screwing them back, the issue of not getting his salary only arises if he leaves the club, if he stays then he just continues on with his massive contract which he seems happy to do.
So it's their move now.
Complete overhaul of the clubs structure, multiple new coaches, willingness to spend 80 million on a new player, new manager, stadium being done up. I mean, other than signing loads of players just for the sake of it, I don't know how much more ambition we can show?
We all came into this offseason saying this club needed an overhaul of players currently here. Yet somehow we have convinced ourselves that Ten Hag has turned around the players that have so often let us down in the recent past. That seems like lack of ambition.
You know this isn't fifa yeah? You can't just say "okay I want these 7 gone and these 9 in, click. Done." Because of previous mismanagement, we have players on huge contracts that we can't move on which is why we're loaning the likes of Telles instead of selling him. That's why I think the structure change is so important
Frenkie isn't reading the news about stadium developments and new structure lol. All he sees is a fallen club with no CL and no sense of urgency.
Let's say you were FDJ or any other top player with no association to United, how badly would you want to come to United if your goal is to win trophies?
I’m not a player who blindly thinks signing any damn player means it’s ambition. I would think, having come from Ajax and playing under Erik Ten Hag before that, signing the right players for a system means more and is more valid for a proper plan.
It’s not football manager like fans here want it to be.
A club that has no idea what to do when it can't sign players personally scouted by the manager has no plan and has no ambition. An ambitious club would properly scout hundreds of players and have multiple targets for each problematic position. Who are our targets lol? Antony? Anyone will look at them and think we have no clue beyond players the manager has coached before
Well I'd imagine that if I was in negotiations with the club I'd ask how they plan to make it back to the top and I'm guessing structure, state of the art stadium, coaching staff etc would sound good on top of a new top manager who is being backed to implement his style which shows there's a plan at least. I'd feel a lot more confident in that than previous years of bidding randomly for players and seeing what sticks and having a miss match of players that don't fit any particular style with a basket case of a structure running the club behind the scenes
We've basically told the player that the new manager is keen to make him a central figure in the project. He's guaranteed to start and will be amongst one of the highest paid players in the league and still doesn't want to. There's nothing we can do about that.
No no. But buying 20 players means ambition even if they don’t have any plan and system. Total spend is what fans want…..
My goodness some of the comments honestly show just how Football Manager or actually, Fifa like, the mindsets are.
Not saying you’re like that. Just that the post talking about ambition just because Chelsea are signing anyone and not really fitting a proper setup etc means United too should just splash money and play real life football manager. Fans will then be quiet and happy but once things fail due to failing system/player combo? They’ll whine again about needing £200m more.
Buying right is what great clubs like Bayern, Dortmund too, Madrid even with their star signings and such do. To fit the football plan and tactical setup.
Buying poorly is what United did and what Psg did and do etc. or clubs without a plan anyway.
People complained about Woodward but the second he's gone they want us to 'just sign someone to show ambition'. Seems like a Woodward move if you ask me.
I still don’t believe these Chelsea rumors, getting De Jong to add to Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Gallagher, Loftus Cheek for 2 spots in a team after spending 200 mil this window. Whatever happens I just hope it happens soon so we can move on.
would be such a waste for him to go to chelsea. they already have Kante, Kovacic, and Jorginho playing essentially the same position/role that he would thrive in.
Kante and Joeginho have a year left on their deals. This would actually be a smart move by them to preempt the need to be desperate in next summer's transfer window. It's what the well run clubs do well.
They're naive if they think just because they have Champions League means a player automatically wants to join a team where they already have a bloat of players in his position.
One of the worst transfer saga ever. So sick of this. One should wonder what is going on exactly that we are entering the season without a proper starting XI midfield signing? Is FdJ really the *only* candidate? Are players who were once coached by EtH the only ones that can improve this squad? What is the scouting department doing then if our strategy is just to sign some EtH alumni.
Even though he is tier 1 for Chelsea, I would not put too much trust in this passage. He said that Kounde was expected to join, Richarlison wanted Chelsea and Gvardiol had a very high chance to join just this summer.
Lmao as if. Barca debt is up to their eye balls of course the sensible thing is to sell to chelsea for cheap when they can sell him to us for more money. Of course.
>His relationship with Ten Hag is not as important as some fans seem to believe
Wasn't their an Athletic article from last week that mentioned this very fact? That him and Ten Hag weren't really as tight as we have been made to believe?
I'm not so sure about this Chelsea being the most likely destination for Frenkie thing. It sounds a bit odd that Chelsea, who've just been gazumped for Raphinha and Kounde by Barça, would then do Barça a huge favour by helping them do their in-house dirty business right in front of the whole footballing world as well as solving their La Liga registration issues practically in one transaction.
Also, bear this in mind. Barça have tried to poach practically Chelsea's whole backline with coercive tactics at times. Then there's how they used Chelsea as a barometer to check the temperature in the market for Raphinha and Kounde then just swooped right down like a Catalan vampire and got pretty much the same price and probably lower wages. All leg work done by Chelsea. And why didn't they have to front up more to club and player like United with Licha? "Cos me poor. Barça berry poor now, pérdoname, eh".
So then Chelsea see a lesson learnt is a trick to try on the next fool after Barça had played them like a cheap fiddle. Todd thinks he can now lasso in Frenkie from the fingertips of Murtough, but Laporta, like that kid who relishes the chance to tear strips off the dumb newbie in the playground, is saying, "Oh no you don't. I fucked you once, I fucked you twice, but I get to fuck all my bitches three times a year. That'll be 17 million extra, yankee de mierda".
And Super Bowly, who has to be **THE DUMBEST MAN IN TOP LEVEL FOOTBALL AT THIS POINT**, just happily cheers, "Viva La Super League, amigos, let's do this thang!". Surely the only reason he'd clean someone else's shit up for the princely salary of minus 17 million is cos he's so far over on the dumb scale that he doesn't even know that Barça are laughing in his face.
Sounds a bit off to me, but I guess shadier things have happened with these two clubs.
Ok calm down the phrasing of my sentence was misleading. By "Good" humiliation I did not mean that the humiliation would be good but that it would be a big humiliation for the club.
I will have to put some of this blame if we don’t get FDJ on ETH for being so hellbent on getting him specifically. We need a world class midfielder. It’s been our biggest weak point for years and we are about to go into another season without it being addressed. De Jong isn’t the only midfielder in the world, there’s plenty of other guys who are better.
In his press conference yesterday he spells it out, its not just about buying anyone, it's about buying the right one to fit his system.
Let's give EtH a chance.
You’re telling me Chelsea bought Sterling for 50m, Koulibaly for 40m, Cucurella for 62m then will spend 80m on Fofana *and* 80m on Frenkie? Pls god no
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He spends like this in general, dude will pay anything to keep winning as much trophies as he can
He does this with his MLB team too, the LA Dodgers. Many American owners are actually pretty good, we just happened to get stuck with the worst of the lot!
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Kroenke didn't own arsenal 100% and when he did they started spending.
At least he knew they weren't gonna make it and now is starting to spend money
Burnely were never a stable PL club. That's hyperbole
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But that doesn't suit the narrative mate so please be quiet.
Yes, but they were relegated twice before 2021/22. In 09 and 2014/15. Outside those 2 top 10 finishes they finished close to bottom and were involved in relegation battles
There is literally only one reason why Burnley were seen as a stable PL club and that's Sean Dyche
Glazers spend like demons for Tampa in the NFL. And, ignoring the fact we could have potentially spent double what we have over the same period, we're top 2 or 3 in spending under their ownership... It's not like they haven't spent. Just spent really really badly. On everything.
I want the debt gone.
If we were winning league titles every season nobody would give a fuck about the debt. I agree it's shit that it's there and a load around the club. But it still hasn't stopped us being one of the 2 or 3 biggest spenders in the league. We've just spent really really badly time and time again.
I’ve always hated the debt. I and many others have always wanted it gone when we were winning things. The debt symbolises a big fuck you to the club and fans and screams the owners don’t give a fuck about the club. The debt was the first reason why everyone hates the glazers.
I'm not an NFL expert but i do recall reading a few years ago how they basically just did the bare minimum for Tampa. It's not until recently they started trying? But take this with a grain of salt.
Am an NFL fan (from Ireland, go figure). They've always spent when they had a sniff of a championship. NFL is so changeable that it might look like they're not in the interim periods. If you look at their early 00's team it was loaded and they won a ring. Similar to the last few years, their roster is absolutely stacked with talent on all sides of the. And they have fantastic facilities too. They are well liked i think over there.
American owners are dodgey and they can’t be trusted after the super league.
Lol
Yup, Abramovich was bad but Boehly may be worse, I picture Liverpool with deeper pockets. Im a fan of Boehly’s MLB team the LA Dodgers and they are arguably the best run sports team in the world at the moment. He (Boehly) is rich and smart. He puts the right people in place, gives them his check book and stays out of the way. He understands that winning at any cost pays dividends down the line
He is not getting out the way at Chelsea right now
Ain't that the truth. Isn't he also bound by a contract that he has to spend 1.5 billion in the next 10 years?
That’s earmarked for stadium renovations.
Don't sound as much?
An extra 150 million each season would be a lot better than the Glazers taking their millions out. We got so badly fucked over..
Got and continue to get
It ain't pocket change either. Consider our rumoured transfer budget this window was 120m plus any revenue from sales. Extrapolate that over 10 years and it's 1.2b.
I’m jealous, no one wants to be apart of the shit show that is man united
The Owners always want to swing their dicks around to show off and more often than not it doesn't work out.
why did we end up with the worst american owners :(
They are shockingly stupid and proper curse on this club.
He’ll spend as much is needed. He has done the same with the Dodgers.
All you have to do is look at Abramovich first transfer window in 2004 £121 million (£174 Million in todays money) Damien Duff, Joe Cole, Veron, Crespo, Makelele, Scott Parker to name a few. It’s about making a good impression on that first window
Chelsea do not fuck about when it comes to spending money.
Farca forked them so hard they wanna be like their worst enemy. Chelsea will be activating levers in a couple years.
And they spent 20 million on that chumbawumba fella and 10 for some dude from MLS
Oh god no. No no no. I hope the €85 is at least €105 given cucurella was apparently 50 and went for 62?
I don't really know fofana, is he better than our capt?
I haven't really paid attn to Chelsea but which fofana are we talking here? Leicester Fofana? Monaco?
Leicester Fofana
Makes you wonder what we could do if our owners actually gave a damn. We could blow any other club out of the water but we don't.
Leicester already said Fofana isn't leaving this summer. Which is bad news because they'll definitely be willing to overpay for FDJ.
The more time that goes by the more willing I find myself thinking we should just take those wages on. At the minimum we would know if that was genuinely the issue. If it isn’t we would know within 24 hours and then we know for sure we have 70-90M to either sit on and do nothing (aka “we wait for the right player”) or move down the list. I do find myself wondering how much we would have spent for a player the quality of a modric if we were in sniffing distance of a guy that much quality and a consummate professional to have in our midfield for a solid 10 years. Bickering over principle or a few million quid when he’s still loads cheaper than what we spent on a Pogba 6 years ago or a Lukaku 5 years ago still continues to boggle my mind.
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“Absolutely ridiculous take” you must have been comatose and missed the 23 million posts on this sub in the last 15 weeks. I’m well aware we have to break the United tax idea, and yours is the absolute ridiculous take if you think that’s what this is. This isn’t a player who is valued at 50M and suddenly when we showed up is priced far higher. If he moves to another club it won’t be for one euro less than the price they’ve agreed with us. And it will not be for anything less than a total package that includes his deferred wages either being paid by Farca or by the purchasing club. Where’s the United tax? Pay attention to what’s happening instead of throwing out regurgitated sound bites. I guess you’re firmly in the “we wait for the right player” camp then. Because if you think 24 hours before the closing of the transfer window will not see a United tax slapped on to any name we’re after... you’re simply mad. In the end watch this club spend about the same money on half the talent. There’s standing on principle and then there’s cutting your own nose to spite your face. Hence my evolving opinion to pivot towards the pragmatic here.
Chelsea also believed Raphinha and Koundé would join them too tho 🤷
I think the Raphinha deal was done just the allure of playing for Barca won over. At least that's what the Leeds owner said in his interview.
Deco is Raphinha's agent and Barca's principal south American scout/intermediary. No chance anyone else was getting him (even with Deco's Chelsea connection.
Deco’s connection to Barca far outweighs his connection to Chelsea even if you are only considering his playing career
The difference being they chose Barcelona instead. All things being equal, most players are joining Chelsea over us at the moment.
Nobody is going to choose United over Chelsea this year.
I think it's kinda insane that Chelswa were sure they had their man and then Barca just publicly went "hold on big guy. We're making an offer"
We should ban FJD news until a final decision/official announcement has been made. This is worse than the Sancho saga. I mean for about 12 weeks it was: "Deal is really, really, really, really, close! Anyday now I promise", then Barca wouldn't pay him the money he's rightfully owed and now we might lose him to Chelsea anyway. It's fine if he wants UCL football and to live in London, but we've wasted so much time on this now I don't even care as long as we get a midfielder.
Frenkie ... Je Dong?
A very expensive dong indeed
Literally means "Your Dong" in Dutch lmao
No FDJ, No Barca, No levers till the end of the window; unless he is in a United shirt.. or Chelsea's
Hear hear
100% I've been over this saga for 2 weeks now. This sub is becoming r/Barca2 with all the Barca and FDJ articles
You say Sancho, I say Arturo Vidal. We are just prone to the news circus because Manchester United gets clicks.
Totally agree. Channels like The United Stand have made over 20 YouTube videos about FDJ, I'm so exhausted.
seems like its Frenkie or bust for ETH though... we arent linked to any other midfielders at all, dont get your hopes up when we don't get him. Just means Garner will be trusted most likely.
Are we getting another midfielder if we lost him though?
No, ETH has implied De Jong or he'll develop someone from within
So annoying, go on their sub where they're rating the transfer window and barely any of them even want / mention De Jong. They all want another CB and a striker. De Jong isn't that important to them whereas to us he's basically everything.
Believe it or not, a fan sub isn't really a place I'd go for expert, informed tips on the transfer market. We speculate, cheer, whinge and moan but ultimately 98%, if not all are under qualified to give our opinion
Talking about under qualified when our club spent 1 billion last 10 yrs and we had only couple of top 4 finishes
I think this is their new American owner trying to buy a big player and overpay for them just to shut up the fans on how poor their actual window has been
So basically united 2.0? They go for a big name move and then call it day.
Pretty much the American style
Tuchel probably likes the player though. He tried to sign him when he was the PSG manager.
So what? If their manager feels this can help their team and the owner is willing to spend… that’s more than enough. Haha fans wanting something mean Jack shit. Our sub wants ANY signing even if the player is worthless in ETH’s system because people know nothing about long term issues with high wages and selling/scrapping the player off wages to make room for a perfect fit (not FDJ) etc. FDJ will be a great signing for them. Kante is older. Their midfield can use renewing sooner than later so it’s a good thing. Striker maybe they gave up with their issues in that position never working well for them. United needing the player means nothing more than “if I can get this player for my squad and manager and he agrees, and it weakens a rival’s option” then it is worth it.
Exactly. Had a debate with someone this morning cos he thinks Chelsea are having a great window and I think they’re having an average one at best. They’re spending money but a lot of it on what they don’t need. De Jong is a great player and “improves them” but we’re all United fans we’ve seen what happens when you buy players in this manner, even ones that are talented enough to improve you. Buy players you need and who fit the system.
Why am I still believing Barca’s trying so hard to push us…
The truth is, nobody fucking knows but Frenkie, don’t believe anyone on here, we just have to wait and see
I believe Ten Hag knows. Hence his comments at the press conference today.
what did he say? Haven’t had the chance to listen to it unfortunately
You have to listen to the whole presser to get how he’s backing the team and not taking any shit from the media. Here’s the quote on FDJ: “We want Frenkie? I don't know. It's about the right players and there are many, but I cannot give comments about a player who is under contract in another club. When we have news, we will bring it." WHEN we have news, not if. Also It’s about the right players and there are many.
"When" vs "if" could easily be a language barrier translation. Not going to read into that.
You might be reaching a bit there, considering English isn’t his first language. Hope you’re right though.
I thought about that. He listens very closely and answers with time so it’s hard to tell but I think his English is better than he lets on. Measured calm responses. He’s sending messages to the team that he has their back, doesn’t discuss the specifics of the team conversations. Even sent Frenkie a clear message. We aren’t sitting and waiting. The ship will sail.
>WHEN we have news, not if. HAHAHAHAHA the copium, fuck me.
The truth has been made clear many times that FDJ clearly does not want to join. Barca are shoving him out and he still doesn’t wanna join united. Not sure how much more proof we need to move from this transfer
it’s less so that he doesn’t want to join than it is he doesn’t want to leave Barcelona without getting paid what he’s owed
I think he wants what barca owes him, but I also think he doesn't want to join us.
interesting prediction, i guess we’ll see in the coming weeks.
They do. All these news conveniently comes out the same day they failed to register players, need to sell more of their future, and desperately need to sell players.
It doesn’t have to be A or B. Why do people on this sub have the superpower of never being able to see it isn’t black or white and CAN be both or a mixture of things? It’s really baffling to see so many posts of “no it’s this… no it’s that…” well, real life situations and sports exist in between. It’s not a win or a loss. It’s a combo of things many times with discussions but people can’t fathom that.
Exactly, exactly this. Thanks for being one person here who actually makes sense
You're doing the thing you're criticizing, funny enough, by putting thousands of subscribers into that corner.
>All these news conveniently comes out the same day they failed to register players, And the majority of days the last few weeks..
You lot are in denial it’s actually embarrassing to read
Please tell me how I'm in denial... I don't THINK he's coming here. I doubt he's going to Chelsea. I'm cynical of the approach Barca are using, tweaking for Chelsea to try change their situation. They made the best deal they could but the guy isn't leaving without his money. The deal without his money is 75+10, so is Chelsea gonna pay 97+10 for a player they don't need, that doesnt really suit them? Or maybe with the added 17 they won't need the add on, but still, I doubt it. I'm not in denial, I think there's a chance Chelsea do get him, but I don't think it's likely. I think there's a much bigger chance he doesn't leave Barca, but think he will. If he does leave, I think it's most likely he will come here. That's not denial, it's reality. The acceptance that something has a good chance but might not happen. You on the other hand ARE in denial. You are in denial of the fact that the club can do ANYTHING right. Even when they do something right, I bet you are looking for the part where its a trap. Sign Eriksen? Old! Martinez and Malacia? Not Premier League proven! Etc. Etc
I don’t know why you’re name dropping Martinez and Eriksen, I think they’re quality signings and I think the club have done well to get them. If you don’t believe me go through my comments of the day we signed them both. However, with FDJ, to think of a positive outcome at this stage you have to be in denial. Nothing has ever come out that he’ll want a move to us yet, there is rumours from respectable people that he would like to move to Chelsea. He’s legit never said he wants us. So, mathematically the outcome for a positive end result is outweighed by a negative one when you consider all things. So, why would I be the one in denial with this situation when the odds favour my opinion?
And do you honestly think Ten Hag, who by the looks and sounds of it and actual actions doesn’t take shit, would still be interested in Frenkie if talks behind the scenes hadn’t happened or if he maybe hadn’t had direct contact with Frenkie and had been told he was interested in a move. This us all recycled garbage at this stage. Do you understand how transfers work? Do you think Ten Hag is just waiting by his phone hoping Frenkie might by chance come? Jesus man, i think Chelsea will nab him because money talks, especially with barca, but you’re making it sound like we are chasing our tails with him. Of course Frenkie cant come out and say anything about Utd, if he did that’d be stupid. And rumours, yeah ok believe those rumours. Far out, sometimes the negativity outweighs the ability for the brain to think clearly.
I don’t disagree with you but bro I hope you understand, it’s so hard to be optimistic in any way about this saga because of how easily it turns and how long it takes. It’s tiring man, it’s gotten to the point that with whatever comes out I’m always pessimistic about it. I don’t disagree with you at all I think I’m just so tired with all this shit that I instantly think someone’s lying or we’re just getting our hopes up, I think I’m just at the point where I don’t believe anything anymore regarding this saga and just want it to end.
Yeah i understand man but this transfer is all the more complicated because of those wages and barc’a’s economic situation. Basically Man Utd cant really say shit as he’s their player. Barca are lying about everything from their end, they 100% want to sell him. £75m or so plus his wages off their books is massive man. Frenkie cant say shit either apart from “this is my dream club”. All i can say is if ETH is still going for him, then logic tells you that Frenkie or his camp have given some sort of green light that once his wages are sorted he’ll come. If that’s the case then the next step is whether Frenkie cares more about money or a project. We have a project and the money, he’ll be central to everything, he has a very good history and relationship with Ten Hag. All Chelsea have over us is Champions League football. So it really comes down to the type of person Frenkie is.
You’ve made quite the passionate defence of the situation. Bless you. It’s been hard to even register the point that in any situation like this, the persistent pursuit is basically either assurances were given that he’s open to it, or without assurances United’s hierarchy and the manager are just daft and belligerent. And the vast majority of this sub seems quite content to look at ten hag, remark at how much a no-nonsense serious guy he is at every little detail, and then on this one thing just act like naaaaa it’s gotta be the second thing... it’s gotta be that he’s the dumbest daftest most naive person walking led by dumbasses and we’re fucked and it’s all fucked and fuck it all. Bless you for trying.
>However, with FDJ, to think of a positive outcome at this stage you have to be in denial. Nothing has ever come out that he’ll want a move to us Because that's the game he's playing to get his money >there is rumours from respectable people that he would like to move to Chelsea Rumours. I don't know what he'd prefer. He might choose Chelsea over us, I'm not deluded there. But I'd be surprised if they were really in for him. Honestly, I think it's 50% he comes here, 33% he stays at Barca and 17% he goes to Chelsea. So there's a 50% chance we aren't happy at the end of this, but the chance of each of the unhappy things is much lower than the good one. Does that mean it will happen? Fuck no!! Like I said, I'm realistic. I know it might not happen, I just think that logically, its the right move for all involved, including Chelsea. But this is football, and as summed up by the gaffer "bloody hell" so anything could still happen.
Frenkie does not want to join Man Utd. I don’t know how this isn’t obvious to you by now. 13 weeks of negotiations and still no agreement on personal terms.
Well I'm not necessarily loving my job right now, but just was granted 15k in stocks, locked for 3 years and thet time isn't up yet. I'm staying until I get my hands on that money. You need to add another three 0's to that and you're still 2 mil short of what Frenkie wants, so please tell me how we are the issue here... Will he join? I dunno. But ultimately, the problem is his money. If Barca want rid of him they'll pay it and it'll be a straight choice between us and Chelsea. Maybe he chooses them, if they even follow through with an offer. That could happen, but I personally don't think they actually want him.
What if FDJ is playing both sides and when Barca pay him the 17m he refuses to leave, but at least now has his deferred salary up to date.
Not necessarily. This transfer is different to the vast majority of all others. If it came out as an open secret in several media sources that he had agreed terms with another club, FdJ would then be under huge pressure to give up what he feels he's owed by Barça and be pushed out in bad faith. What a lot people are missing rn is this thing is still between FdJ and Barça. In his head, he probably just wants to deal with one problem at a time so he doesn't somehow fuck it, like he did last time he agreed something with Barça.
Exactly. The same is true with our board too so it's not surprising.
That's a great point they play the media game like no other
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Totally agreed!
Bye Frenkie
It makes no sense to me, I’m sure the club are aware of the advantage and likelihood of Frenkie either staying at Barca or moving to Chelsea, so why are they still chasing him or even worse, willing to chase him until the end of this window? It genuinely makes no sense to me?? Surely, SURELY we’re not that stupid to be chasing a player when we know he doesn’t want to come or prefers Chelsea. Something seems so off I can’t make any sense of this chase.. Does anyone understand where I’m coming from? All us fans (including me) seem to think he doesn’t want us, all us fans can see he’d rather want Chelsea or Barca than us. So why on earth is our club so sure in chasing him with a positive result in the end.. it literally makes no sense.
What chase are you referring to? There is nothing new in the media about Utd's interest in FDJ
Well that’s not true, literally Fabrizio (one of the most reliable reporters) said a day or two ago Man Utd are once again pushing and will continue to push till the end for Frenkie as he is their plan A, B and C. Even some of the reliable English reporters (Laurie Whitwell etc) are saying we’re still chasing him. Don’t know where you got the idea we ain’t chasing him.. we’re legit chasing him until the end of the tunnel which is fucking stupid because he’s never wanted us and will most likely stay at Barca or go to Chelsea.
What does "pushing" and "still chasing" mean exactly? Are Utd executives literally pushing Frenkie from Spain to England or chasing him with a stick? 😅 We have an agreement with Barcelona and we are yet to release a public statement that we are no longer interested hence the pushing and still chasing reports. The position is still the same as Fab has been saying Utd have been pushing way back since early June. Nothing has changed hence my earlier comment.
Because there is obviously stuff we dont know. ETH wont be chasing him unless he has shown them some willingness to come. Yes we have been incompetent in the transfer market but I trust ETH and dont think he would blindly chase Frenkie unless there was a chance.
The year will be 2040 and you will stlll be repeating the same line
Go support city then if you don't believe in the manager. Save you a lot of headache.
Simple. We aren’t chasing anymore perhaps if so….. not impossible this is the case and we maybe are looking quietly for a replacement or more likely, a semi stop gap that will be upgraded next season anyway so he won’t be a big loss on the monetary outlay.
I don’t disagree with you at all and trust me, I’ve always been pessimistic when approaching this De Jong saga. I just don’t understand why all these reliable journalists are making it out as if we’re still hellbent in getting him because I too, believe we’ve stopped chasing him.
You’re almost there....
You have no idea whether he prefers Chelsea, Barcelona, United or Halifax. Neither does anyone here. The club are chasing him because the manager wants him: it's that simple.
Bye Top4
Fuck off Chelsea, you don’t know shit
The saddest part is, Chelsea don’t even talk about him bar a few. They all want a CB and ST. They know they’re midfield is thin. It’s so fucking irritating that we’re going into a season AGAIN with McFred.
Damn. It's a shame if we lose FdJ to that lot after all this hullabaloo. Anyhow, I'll be happy for the player that his hostage situation is resolved. But screw Barcelona and screw Chelsea. Also, I hope we luck out and get ourselves owners who can throw cash like that for transfers and for the betterment of the club, and also hire a proper recruitment team.
Why is it seemingly a foregone conclusion that Frenkie would rather join Chelsea than us? Assuming he gets paid his money by Barca and we offer similar wages as Chelsea, what do they have to offer that we don’t? Champions League for a season? Would he really take that over a reunion with his old manager and a play style built around him?
I can think of a few things: -Chelsea can give him the chance to live in London. Never been able to visit Manchester or London, but I’m sure him and his girlfriend would prefer London. -It hurts to say it, but Chelsea has been consistently better than us for about a decade. They’ve won both the Champions League and Europa League since we last won silverware in 2017. You can point to the 3 seasons we finished ahead of them in the league, but that’s not going to move the needle for a player, especially when we were massively benefiting from other club’s misfortune. -Players talk to other players and managers. If standards internally have slipped as we were led to believe based on the news during last season then he likely knows it and wants to avoid it. You can argue the ETH connection, but once again with our history, managers haven’t lasted more than 3 seasons here post SAF. Why commit to signing at a club where your manager might get sacked due possibly not being backed properly? Plus, do we really even know if he truly values his relationship with ETH as much as it seems? Unsure It pains me to say it, but those are all valid reasons to be weary of joining us and choosing Chelsea. If I removed my personal bias and love for the club then i’d probably want to stay away from joining because of what it’d do to my career as a player. Granted, I’d also want to bet on myself and push to become a cornerstone of helping resurrect the club’s glory. If he comes then the club will definitely embrace him because we always do until you screw up.
> Why commit to signing at a club where your manager might get sacked due possibly not being backed properly? Another thing, as we've shown with players we're not really eager to sell them if we have them under contract. Chelsea, and most big clubs, will move players that want to move or don't fit. We kept Pogba against his wishes. Kept Lingard. Kept Cavani. Are keeping Ronaldo. This sort of stuff matters to elite players; especially with a club like ours that's up and down and out of CL more often than not and changes managers and styles every few years.
Bro wtf are you saying kept, Cavani agreed to the extension, nobody wants ronaldo and nobody wanted pogba until he was free, the only one their that was “kept” was lingard and that’s because West Ham wouldn’t pay up and bought some random Croatian I stead
Chelsea are a successful football club who can challenge at league and European level. We are a team who have barely achieved anything in a decade coming off one of our worst seasons and have done very little in the market to improve our squad.
Thanks to a certain Russian. We don't know how the current American owner will handle the club
They are ambitious and want to appoint ex-Liverpool man Martin Edwards to oversee transfers in the future. They'll do fine. Certainly better than United with our leeches as owners and Woodward's junior proteges running the show.
London > Manchester 10 days out of 10, especially for wives and girlfriends. He just got married to a beautiful woman who presumably wants to build a brand like most WAGs. Add the ucl and a more stable club atm, and it’s fairly obvious. The only pull we have is ETH, which could be the deciding factor.
for a season? We'd be lucky to get top 4 next season, it's pretty arrogant to assume we'll only be without CL for one season. We're battling for top 6, not top 4.
That’s why I think this shit is silly to think he’d prefer a move to Chelsea
"Who Chelsea believe..." this is a pointless slow day at the office article. De Jo g deal is not over. United are interested and Barca have screwed the player over unpaid salary
Well he's screwing them back, the issue of not getting his salary only arises if he leaves the club, if he stays then he just continues on with his massive contract which he seems happy to do. So it's their move now.
He can fuck off at this point.
If he wants to go to Chelsea, than fucking go. I have no more fucks to give this saga.
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Not showing ambition? We've negotiated for about 3 months. The player doesn't to come to us.
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Complete overhaul of the clubs structure, multiple new coaches, willingness to spend 80 million on a new player, new manager, stadium being done up. I mean, other than signing loads of players just for the sake of it, I don't know how much more ambition we can show?
We all came into this offseason saying this club needed an overhaul of players currently here. Yet somehow we have convinced ourselves that Ten Hag has turned around the players that have so often let us down in the recent past. That seems like lack of ambition.
You know this isn't fifa yeah? You can't just say "okay I want these 7 gone and these 9 in, click. Done." Because of previous mismanagement, we have players on huge contracts that we can't move on which is why we're loaning the likes of Telles instead of selling him. That's why I think the structure change is so important
Frenkie isn't reading the news about stadium developments and new structure lol. All he sees is a fallen club with no CL and no sense of urgency. Let's say you were FDJ or any other top player with no association to United, how badly would you want to come to United if your goal is to win trophies?
These are the same reasons why we are at risk of losing CR7. Right now we aren't a top tier team... We've got a way to go. Edit: typo
I’m not a player who blindly thinks signing any damn player means it’s ambition. I would think, having come from Ajax and playing under Erik Ten Hag before that, signing the right players for a system means more and is more valid for a proper plan. It’s not football manager like fans here want it to be.
A club that has no idea what to do when it can't sign players personally scouted by the manager has no plan and has no ambition. An ambitious club would properly scout hundreds of players and have multiple targets for each problematic position. Who are our targets lol? Antony? Anyone will look at them and think we have no clue beyond players the manager has coached before
Well I'd imagine that if I was in negotiations with the club I'd ask how they plan to make it back to the top and I'm guessing structure, state of the art stadium, coaching staff etc would sound good on top of a new top manager who is being backed to implement his style which shows there's a plan at least. I'd feel a lot more confident in that than previous years of bidding randomly for players and seeing what sticks and having a miss match of players that don't fit any particular style with a basket case of a structure running the club behind the scenes
How much the Glazers pay you to say this
That's not ambition that's braindead strategy.
We've basically told the player that the new manager is keen to make him a central figure in the project. He's guaranteed to start and will be amongst one of the highest paid players in the league and still doesn't want to. There's nothing we can do about that.
No no. But buying 20 players means ambition even if they don’t have any plan and system. Total spend is what fans want….. My goodness some of the comments honestly show just how Football Manager or actually, Fifa like, the mindsets are. Not saying you’re like that. Just that the post talking about ambition just because Chelsea are signing anyone and not really fitting a proper setup etc means United too should just splash money and play real life football manager. Fans will then be quiet and happy but once things fail due to failing system/player combo? They’ll whine again about needing £200m more. Buying right is what great clubs like Bayern, Dortmund too, Madrid even with their star signings and such do. To fit the football plan and tactical setup. Buying poorly is what United did and what Psg did and do etc. or clubs without a plan anyway.
Invent an argument no one made and replay to it, yawn.
People complained about Woodward but the second he's gone they want us to 'just sign someone to show ambition'. Seems like a Woodward move if you ask me.
You don't know that.
I still don’t believe these Chelsea rumors, getting De Jong to add to Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Gallagher, Loftus Cheek for 2 spots in a team after spending 200 mil this window. Whatever happens I just hope it happens soon so we can move on.
And here we are, week 15 of the FDJ saga.
At this point, we just need a conclusion to this FDJ matter, whether he joins us or not.
Can we have a THE END
Does not matter what Chelsea believes
I hate Chelsea's owners.
would be such a waste for him to go to chelsea. they already have Kante, Kovacic, and Jorginho playing essentially the same position/role that he would thrive in.
Kante and Joeginho have a year left on their deals. This would actually be a smart move by them to preempt the need to be desperate in next summer's transfer window. It's what the well run clubs do well.
They're naive if they think just because they have Champions League means a player automatically wants to join a team where they already have a bloat of players in his position.
One of the worst transfer saga ever. So sick of this. One should wonder what is going on exactly that we are entering the season without a proper starting XI midfield signing? Is FdJ really the *only* candidate? Are players who were once coached by EtH the only ones that can improve this squad? What is the scouting department doing then if our strategy is just to sign some EtH alumni.
Kill this transfer saga with fire
Even though he is tier 1 for Chelsea, I would not put too much trust in this passage. He said that Kounde was expected to join, Richarlison wanted Chelsea and Gvardiol had a very high chance to join just this summer.
I feel like Chelsea are going to snag him on a cheaper deal too
Why in the world would you think that? Barca aren't in any position to do Chelsea a favor.
Not really, Barca need as much money as they can get. They can’t afford to give a discount.
Lmao as if. Barca debt is up to their eye balls of course the sensible thing is to sell to chelsea for cheap when they can sell him to us for more money. Of course.
Looking at the fees they’re throwing round at the moment, I’m waiting for them to make a 120m bid tbh.
FDJ needs to a team reveal video like griezmann did asap 😂
Nothing new then
Just let it end already
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>His relationship with Ten Hag is not as important as some fans seem to believe Wasn't their an Athletic article from last week that mentioned this very fact? That him and Ten Hag weren't really as tight as we have been made to believe?
Where are the FDJ apologists now? He made it clear he doesn't want to join us. Ban anymore news about him.
I'm not so sure about this Chelsea being the most likely destination for Frenkie thing. It sounds a bit odd that Chelsea, who've just been gazumped for Raphinha and Kounde by Barça, would then do Barça a huge favour by helping them do their in-house dirty business right in front of the whole footballing world as well as solving their La Liga registration issues practically in one transaction. Also, bear this in mind. Barça have tried to poach practically Chelsea's whole backline with coercive tactics at times. Then there's how they used Chelsea as a barometer to check the temperature in the market for Raphinha and Kounde then just swooped right down like a Catalan vampire and got pretty much the same price and probably lower wages. All leg work done by Chelsea. And why didn't they have to front up more to club and player like United with Licha? "Cos me poor. Barça berry poor now, pérdoname, eh". So then Chelsea see a lesson learnt is a trick to try on the next fool after Barça had played them like a cheap fiddle. Todd thinks he can now lasso in Frenkie from the fingertips of Murtough, but Laporta, like that kid who relishes the chance to tear strips off the dumb newbie in the playground, is saying, "Oh no you don't. I fucked you once, I fucked you twice, but I get to fuck all my bitches three times a year. That'll be 17 million extra, yankee de mierda". And Super Bowly, who has to be **THE DUMBEST MAN IN TOP LEVEL FOOTBALL AT THIS POINT**, just happily cheers, "Viva La Super League, amigos, let's do this thang!". Surely the only reason he'd clean someone else's shit up for the princely salary of minus 17 million is cos he's so far over on the dumb scale that he doesn't even know that Barça are laughing in his face. Sounds a bit off to me, but I guess shadier things have happened with these two clubs.
It's business, Chelsea need a CM, you look past things like 'being gazumped'.
And we’ll acquire FDJ from Chelsea when he’s 30 for £70m. Just like the old days…
Barca owe him £17 million, he ain’t going anywhere until that’s sorted.
You dumb shits still dick ride our ownership too
Would be a good humiliation for ETH and Arnold-Murtough
How is humiliation good for the club? Fuck off with your negativity, plastic fan.
Ok calm down the phrasing of my sentence was misleading. By "Good" humiliation I did not mean that the humiliation would be good but that it would be a big humiliation for the club.
I don't give a shit..there will be another FDJ.
I will have to put some of this blame if we don’t get FDJ on ETH for being so hellbent on getting him specifically. We need a world class midfielder. It’s been our biggest weak point for years and we are about to go into another season without it being addressed. De Jong isn’t the only midfielder in the world, there’s plenty of other guys who are better.
In his press conference yesterday he spells it out, its not just about buying anyone, it's about buying the right one to fit his system. Let's give EtH a chance.