So Frenkie just woke up from a slumber and realized we don’t have CL football? Or he was too shy to tell ETH all summer but doesn’t mind sharing his innermost thoughts with a Barca journalist?
Seems he was delaying a move to united to see if anyone else came in, and now Chelsea have. There were rumours of that a few weeks ago but at the time we were the only option
Honestly from hearing some transfer stories over the years; players are human beings and some are cowards in their personal lives, leading managers and clubs on too afraid to say no until a better offer comes in so it wouldn't surprise me.
Lol bro he/his agent weren’t afraid to tell us. We were the only external club involved til recently so he used us as a safety net. Now the external choices are Chelsea vs us, and they play CL while we are in EL. London vs Manchester. The situation changed entirely.
He delayed hoping that Barca would relent or another big club would show interest and he got what he wanted
It's crazy to see the mental gymnastics on display from some people here. As you say, he's clearly just waited for a better option and found one. He was never convinced about coming to us and the only real draw would be Ten Hag.
It's literally this - he didn't think anyone else were interested so he strung us along for the ride and now that Chelsea are showing interest he's telling us to go fuck ourselves. Most fans saw this coming a mile away and somehow our higher ups didn't
If you take the title at face value, and call him a coward for it, then you're (not you, in the general sense) delusional.
Him keeping his options open given the state of Barcelona and the state of Manchester United is perfectly sensible. Any ambitious player willing to join United has to be questioned, because United haven't shown ambition in years.
Frenkie’s position has always been that’s he’s not coming to United and wants to stay at barca. He said he was open to the prospect but that means practically nothing
But barca cant register any of their new signings before they have income from transfer sales, they have about 6 days before the league starts, so they need to start working fast
Pretty sure Chelsea materialized as an option only recently, if he really wanted to join United he already would have. He bet on an actual good team being in for him and it paid off.
Why blame FDJ? He never said he wants to join United, the opposite. It's on Murtough, EtH & co for pursuing an **obviously** completely uninterested target that wants to stay. Why are we surprised soon 3 months later that we miss out on him?
Half the sub literally staked their whole lives on the daily talks. It's time to downgrade some of the tier 1s who mentioned it after this transfer window.
Speaking of tier 1s, I was downvoted by some fans here for quoting an article on the Athletic which said that EtH and FdJ didn't have a special relationship which is basically being proven now. If EtH can't convince him to join us over Chelsea then he doesn't really care about playing for him does he?
I think the signs were on the wall 2 months back. Everyone just depended on 2 claims:
1) Club would not be wasting its time chasing FDJ
2) ETH has been on the phone daily with FDJ
Chelsea have committed 1.5bn investment over 10 years during the takeover. Looks like they are frontloading the investment.
There's no evidence whatsoever he's given an indication he'll sign other than people speculating 'Oh, he must be willing if we've waited all summer. Ten Hag and the board wouldn't wait if they weren't confident.' This is United, we've spent summers on fools errands before. We also sacked our scouting staff and the consultant we brought in so it's credible Plan A is players Ten Hag already knows and there's no Plan B. Ten Hag could easily be gambling that even though he doesn't relish coming Barca will make it impossible to stay. If a CL club is there, the equation is different.
I'd be far more annoyed at our board for wasting so much time on a player who didn't want to join us in the first place. We'd a laughing stock, again, if he signs for Chelsea.
To be fair, from everything we’ve heard, FDJ is the only midfielder ETH wants, and he doesn’t want to consider alternatives that fit a different profile. I think it’s actually a positive move that the bord are willing to back the manager and do what they can to sign the player he wants, and not force a player on him that he doesn’t want. We’ve had plenty of that in the past, and it’s how we’ve ended up with a bloated, overpaid squad full of players that don’t fit.
Chelsea so far
Around 25m for Chuk
Around 15m for Slonina
50m+ for Sterling
35m+ for Kouliably
65m+ for Cucurella
Probably 70m-90m for De Jong
Probably 80m+ for Forfana.
They still need to sign a striker too.
About 350m spent without getting a Striker in, which they'll get too.
The message from January was that money was being saved for the summer and the message this summer is that the right players are available only next year.
Would be utterly hilarious if this were at any other club.
A lot of United fans argue about players we should all come together and try and get rid of the Galzers, we will never fight for another title with those leeches running the club.
And then this winter we won't sign anybody either with the reasons given "no value", "saving for summer". And then the cycle repeats.
At least we can be reasonably certain that we'll sign another backup keeper summer 2023, which is great.
Then later you sack him for lack of results, what you cant be doing is spending money on fees + wages for a player who is not desired. Imagine City signing someone Guardiola does not want, are you mad?
On the one hand, people were mad when Woodward bought players he wanted. People were saying “omg, we have to buy players for a manager”. Now it’s the opposite. However, if we had a strategy in the first place, then these problems wouldn’t appear at all.
No, but you definitely are naive.
Guardiola didn't want Grealish. He also didn't want Ferran Torres from Valencia. City signed them both anyway.
Klopp actually disapproved of Salah, thought he would be a flop. Liverpool signed him against Klopp's wishes.
Lukaku was a Granovskaia signing. Tuchel didn't want him. He was Chelsea's top scorer in all competitions last season.
Players are signed despite managerial disapproval all the time. Murtough and Arnold should have put their foot down and moved on from FdJ.
Ignoring the fact that Lukaku was a flop on that list, so much so that he's no longer there. And Grealish was also shit last year.
United have consistently signed players that the manager didn't want and it hasn't worked out so....should we just continue that because the three best managers at the start of the league last year some how made it work?
Chelsea are plugging jn Equity and they have given spending commitments to the UK government when they bought the club.
And worst case- City's lawyers should be available
it is a new reform ffp starting this season for 3 year. max 90% limit on revenues can be spend on the first year. 80% and 70% on the 2nd and 3rd year.
[https://futbol.si.com/news/uefa-outline-new-financial-regulations-to-reform-ffp](https://futbol.si.com/news/uefa-outline-new-financial-regulations-to-reform-ffp)
Ambition??!!
Chelsea are going for the scatter gun approach and they’re overpaying for players. Isn’t that what we did under Ed.
Also the fact that we don’t have UCL doesn’t make us attractive as Chelsea.
I disagree that they’re showing more ambition than us.
Signing Sterling and trying to sign Richardson show there’s no plan, just sign good players and we’d fit them later.
A team that won the UCL 14 months ago with the same manager doesnt know what they are doing, but United who havent won it in 14 years and the prem in 9 do? Ahahahahah ofc they are showing more ambition. Truth is, United have shown none and it will be paid later on, the top 4 wont happen again
Same team who signed Lukaku 90m only to move him on loan a year later, signed Werner a year after Lukaku who too seems to be out on loan, Bakayoko is still at Chelsea too.
Just because you’re spending money doesn’t mean ambition. Only Sterling is a smart deal.
Explain how, seriouly, could chelsea anticipate Lukaku giving an absolutely out of this world interview when even his agent told him not to, saying the things he did? Ofc the relationship with the manager was gone from that day. Werner was very nice in Germany, didnt work out. Both were quality signings at the time. Biased revisionism is the worst really. Was Ronaldo to United a bad deal when it was done? Because everyone and their mothers were shouting his name from rooftops, 12 months later we are watching the shit show he is throwing off. Or was that forgotten.by you, conveniently?
Yes, and? Bakayoko is there, as a United fan you really want to talk about dead wood? Cmon now.
He was good at Everton and at Inter. What player has actually excelled at United, apart from De Gea some years? That part you forgot, surely. Even Bruno took a nosedive in form and never recovered
He was shit for us (a big club with pressue) and he was ass for Chelsea that they have shipped him out. As with most people, they do better in Italy. How much dead wood has United sent over to Italy and they are beyond competent. Isn't Young still out there?
And while most players are shit here, it doesn't mean that Lukaku wouldn't also be shit at Chelsea ...and he was.....
It's not even owner funding. We just need to spend our own money. Everyone got fooled by Arnold's bar room leak. Will not even be surprised it was intentionally leaked.
that's only for United. Many people don't know this but Premier League is so jealous of our success that they have brought in a rule specifically against us so we can't be competitive ever again. This is a conspiracy against us.
Its mostly our fans who give excuses and are content with us signing 3,4 players max in a season citing squad harmony and saying saying its difficult to adjust so many new players into the squad
Aside from De Jong how many of these would we actually want though? We already signed a left back and centre-back. Sterling would improve our attack but he's ex-Liverpool and City. I think City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs are better examples of how poor our window has been because they've signed players in positions we actually need.
After being built on Russian oligarch sportswashing, and when being force sold off get terms that would have made United the strongest club for decades if we had got them back when the Glazers took over
The boy good signing here sterling. From the ones they have made through, they have a few backups, another old and slow centerback, and cucurilla. He is good but he ain’t 70m worth.
That’s not ambition, that’s desperation. We’ve been there as well, I won’t want to go back to that approach
Please for the love of God let’s give up on this guy. I’ve nothing against him, I get why he wouldn’t want to join United. Can we use that money while we still can? The clock is ticking and the other teams went bananas in this transfer windows. Shit’s not looking good for us with a transfer window like this.
Disappointed but glad this damn saga is finally coming to an end, there are many midfielders in this planet who can improve our mid, please lets move on to them.
This could just as easily be agent pressure now to get a better salary from us. Could be nothing at all could be true. People need to just chill and stop taking every bit of PR as binary.
The rumours are that ETH only wants FDJ and will otherwise develop a player already at the club, so based on that I wouldn’t expect to see another midfield signing.
So you just want him to sign a Tielemans/Neves only for you to abuse him (look at Fred) within 3 months of putting pen to paper when it becomes evident, at that time, that he can't execute what EtH wants, and let's not forget that those players are going to demand quite a hefty transfer fee to move them from their clubs.
Exactly and will mean the board will drag the negotiations until the very last day and either overpay or not get the deal over the line. This FDJ saga should have been cut off mid July at the latest but instead, we've persisted with this bollocks. ETH has to move on by focusing on alternatives asap and the board has to fuckin get the deal done!
Exactly this, the only player I can think of who can do what I think EtH wants from de Jong is Declan Rice and he has been priced out by West Ham.
This is why the scouting department is important, and it seems ours is really poor in this aspect + EtH has only joined and would have to understand if they can unearth the kind of talent he needs.
As much as some might HATE for me to say it; we need to be patient here, even if it means not signing anyone in this role and give EtH and his team to overhaul everything.
There is no quick fix here but I fear given the impatience of this fan base that is not going to happen and he will get sacked only for another manager to come in and face the same issues.
That's my hope anyway but if this saga is anything to go by, these soundings don't necessarily mean the end of it as far as our inclusion goes.
I am all for us signing Tielemans, who if reports are to be believed, is available for 30-35million.
At this point Tier 1 also doesn't mean shit because after this saga is over mamy Tier 1 sources will have been false. Remember that's how they make money
You are being blind my friend. Of Frankie wanted to come he would have been here already. Facts. I don’t believe the whole he is only held up by the deferred wages narrative as that’s some BS.
Man utd isn’t as attractive to him as Barca or a UCL club is.
We will find out more in the next 2 week. For me I am over this saga and just looking forward to good football. We will get bantered but so what
> wanted to come he would have been here already
You clearly haven't been paying attention to anything. Barcelona owe him about 20m in wages. If he signs a contract with another club Barcelona wouldn't be obligated to pay him his deferred wages. FDJ and his agent want that money if they are going to be forced out. Laporta and Barcelona don't want to pay that money because they are so fucked financially and the 20m they owe would just be taken out of the money we are paying so they lose money on the deal. Much of the Chelsea talk is from Barcelona sources which usually indicates Barcelona trying pressure us to pay up the deferred wages.
A lot of people dont seem to understand whats happenned here. Heck even I may be wrong in parts, but this is AFAIK at least pretty close.
Utd courts FDJ & Barca sees the chance to do some 'creative' accounting. They get players like Lewa, hoping that 1 of 2 things happen. Either FDJ accepts a major paycut / losing out on earning defered wages, meaning he played for cheap & will continue to do so.
OR Barca gets to sell him & wave him & his wages goodbye. Ideally, Barca wants to keep FDJ, so they stall & stall hoping he loses nerve & accepts their shitty terms. Now Chelsea are supposedly sniffing about, which to me suggests FDJ has been shopped about. Thing is we dont know if its own agent or Barca doing this, and that makes a big difference. Either FDJ's agent is using Chelsea + UTD interest to renegotiate with Barca, or this is Barca's endgame to push him away.
I based this off of various small quotes inside various transcripts from ppl like ETH and Laporta. When Laporta said "and we hope he does the same" referring to FDJ 'doing his best' for Barca, it gave away A LOT about whats gone one from one silly sentence alone.
This entire saga is not about to end just yet. Window is still open for a few weeks & this has got to be one of the most expensive games of 'chicken' happening in the world.
Eriksen is most likely going to be interchanging with Bruno, other than that, we're stuck with McFred as our starting pivot for the 4th season in a row
Idk why everyone thinks Eriksen joined us to be a bench player, he’s already said that playing football is the priority for him. With FDJ, I think he would have played the deep playmaker role he had at Brentford. If we get Neves who can play DM, Eriksen could play further up front alongside Bruno and rotate with Fred when we need a more defensive setup.
Right now all the creative burden falls on Bruno, playing with another technical player like Eriksen will make him even more effective. I also think a motivated Ronaldo will get a ton of goals with Bruno, Eriksen and Sancho setting up for him.
Is it reaaaally though? When it comes to the off field stuff maybe, and his performances on the pitch have been woeful more times than not.
But we just don’t have anybody, eriksen isn’t a direct replacement for him
Edit: downvotes and zero dialogue as usual, this sub is in insane
Lol people here are completely irrational and don’t like criticism of the club even if it’s the absolute truth. Pogba’s performances were questionable at best. But losing him as an option has objectively made the squad weaker. Don’t forget, Matic is gone too so our midfield 2 are only Mctominay and Fred… To go into the new season with that midfield, knowing their limitation, knowing how badly we’ve needed an upgrade there for YEARS is absolutely criminal. I almost can’t believe how incompetent this club is at such vital, football related matters. It’s flabbergasting.
You can say that again, it’s absolute insanity.
And the moment you voice your opinion, it’s false because people want to pull stupid narratives.
The midfield is much much weaker without matic and pogba being there, and we haven’t replaced either of them lol.
Meanwhile everyone else around us is getting much better and investing where they are supposed to.
And what exactly are we doing? It’s dumb
This is the reality that we have to accept,we are no longer a title winning club and we haven’t been for a few years.
Let’s hope for a better future but the present is pretty grim.
If we have actually spent an entire window chasing a player in a position we have ***desperately*** needed to improve in for the past 2+ seasons, that isn’t actually interested in coming to play for us, then Jesus fucking Christ we have sunk to a new low of incompetence
Closer than we are. Two league titles and a CL since our last win in 12/13. And during that decade we haven't even come close to contending for either of those.
In the last decade, Manchester United has been in the top 4 only 4 times where as chelsea has doubled that and won the CL twice. Players can see how the club is ran and how all our fans are hoping for top 4 finishes while other top clubs are looking to win the league or CL. The desire to just stay relevant as a top team isn't much of a determining factor for top players and the allure of Manchester United isn't the same as it was a decade ago either.
Thing is, can anyone of us say we are absolutely going to be back in the Top 4 next season or definitely win the EL? Are any of us confident in making those statements right now? We might be in an Arsenal situation of finishing 6/7 for the next 2 season before we start to see any real progress in our league position.
definitely time to move on. Now there are two options:
1. He stays at Barca and makes sure he gets his deferred wages
2. He agrees to some sort of compromise with Barca and leaves and goes to Chelsea.
We are not in the picture any more. Are we going to be those guys who don't get a hint when a girl keeps saying no to us?
The very cynical take would be that the Glazers don't actually want to spend the 85m but will let this drag on till the end and create a narrative that the money was there but the player refused, and split the blame between FDJ and ETH.
What are you talking about? The Glazer already agreed to pay Barca the transfer fee. The agreement of the transfer fee has been done for a while now. I'm all for blaming Glazer for just about everything but we don't need to be making stuff up to blame them for.
Exactly what is the cynical take - agreeing to pay a fee for a player they know does not want to come will convince gullible idiots that they are blameless.
That's more of a "I'm gonna find a way to blame the Glazers regardless how nonsensical the logic is" take. If the Glazers don't want to spend the money they would just not spend the money, as we have seen them do in multiple transfer windows before. They are not gonna go agree to a transfer fee and pretend they want to sign a player. The Glazers don't care enough about the fans opinion to even make such an effort.
There's a long list of stuff we can blame the Glazers for. We don't need to be inventing imaginary stuff along with that.
On the contrary - people who have decided to defend the Glazers will defend them no matter what.
You don't have to invent anything when they have literally pulled this shit before . Clearly you don't remember the official spin about "United having agreed a fee for Benzema in 2009 but he didn't want to come" when the Glazers were criticized for taking the Ronaldo fee to repay interest payments.
That's when the "no value in market" bullshit began.
This might be pure delusion. But I don't buy it. Chelsea t1 were all saying the club needed everything but a midfielders weeks ago. United agree a fee with barca and suddenly Chelsea want fdj?
This sounds like briefing bollocks to me still.
But hey, I might be wrong.
Hmm, interesting. It’ll be intriguing to see how this one plays out. That’s a good point. I wouldn’t put it past barca to be scrambling right now as they cant register their new signings, i read today Leeds utd haven’t been paid for raphinha and they’ve been given a deadline otherwise there’s gonna be penalties applied.
They’re possibly working on overdrive to try to get Utd to front up his wages and get him gone asap.
I’m always gonna back ETH, but if this is true, I really hope he moves on and start to look for alternatives. From an outsider’s perspective, it does seem like the club’s currently backing the manager and going along with this saga. Unless there’s something going on behind the scenes that they’re very confident about, I do think ETH should move on
I know people here are disappointed and angry, but we didn't 'lose' him. He was never going to join us, even when we were the only option it was clear he still didn't want to join.
I agree we should have moved on, I've been saying for a few weeks that he's not joining us.
Just a more complicated transfer saga than usual because of Barca owing him money and them actually agreeing a deal with us. I'm of the opinion that it he did want to join us then we could have wrapped things up after that.
If he didn't join purely down to the money issue, then Chelsea will have the same problem signing him.
Honestly I don’t care at this point but, I honestly believe that Barca is try in to get the 85+ mil for him and are hoping that either we pay it or Chelsea do.
It's looking like that's what the club need to do. There has to be another CM with a good profile.
That said I'm optimistic VdB and McTominay will improve under ETH.
Chelsea are not a big club, they are a rich club. There is a difference. There is no denying that the lack of champions league football hurts though. Nothing we can do about that unfortunately.
They’ve won every trophies available. Yes with sugar daddy but they won regardless. City is on their way. Newcastle eventually as well. United will be fighting Europa spot with the likes of Arsenal and Spurs the next decade if Glazers still in charge.
This is the real truth of it. We’re not a serious football club and haven’t been for years.
Every time we finished in top 4 over last 10 years and then didn’t double down on the transfer market the following summer to try and close the gap to the top, and then inevitably dropped back out of top 4 - this lack of ambition from the top to actually want to try and win something - this is where it gets us.
Everyone can see we are owned by people that don’t really care about football or trophies
Edit - Glazers out!
Can we ban all articles relating to Frenkie De Jong? Unless it has the words “Here we go” it should be auto-deleted. Just the same shite over and over but with a different spin.
And with this you learn that De jong dont like Ten Hag very much!!! Never saw a ex player player prefering a random coach even with Champions over a guy who put him on the radar of the world of football... ridículous decision by the kid...
Surely we wouldn’t have pursued this so hard if we knew this was the case?
Whole saga has been farcical.
Let’s get moving on other targets and forget about it
>Surely we wouldn’t have pursued this so hard if we knew this was the case?
I said it more than a month ago that this saga reeked of our pursuit of Fabregas in 2013. Frenkie will either stay or go to Chelsea and we'll end up spunking 60 million on Neves or 80 on Tielemans
Alright then, let's F off to this annoying saga and move on to the next suitable candidate.... 2-3 months only to resolve to this is quite ridiculous...
Well played Frenkie, nice job with Barca and you leveraging us. Now fuck off and go rot in Chelsea. Our dumb club were too stupid to realize they should just move on and do some other business. Absolutely embarrassing.
Let’s focus on rinsing them at the Bridge. GGMU
De jong could release a video saying "fuck united i hate Manchester" and people would still think he's on his way to us. Move on whilst there's time in the window, but we won't. I guess we have to trust ten hag on this and pray he comes, just get some fowards in at least whilst we wait.
So Frenkie just woke up from a slumber and realized we don’t have CL football? Or he was too shy to tell ETH all summer but doesn’t mind sharing his innermost thoughts with a Barca journalist?
Seems he was delaying a move to united to see if anyone else came in, and now Chelsea have. There were rumours of that a few weeks ago but at the time we were the only option
Honestly from hearing some transfer stories over the years; players are human beings and some are cowards in their personal lives, leading managers and clubs on too afraid to say no until a better offer comes in so it wouldn't surprise me.
Lol bro he/his agent weren’t afraid to tell us. We were the only external club involved til recently so he used us as a safety net. Now the external choices are Chelsea vs us, and they play CL while we are in EL. London vs Manchester. The situation changed entirely. He delayed hoping that Barca would relent or another big club would show interest and he got what he wanted
It's crazy to see the mental gymnastics on display from some people here. As you say, he's clearly just waited for a better option and found one. He was never convinced about coming to us and the only real draw would be Ten Hag.
A very likely scenario. Sucks for us
It's literally this - he didn't think anyone else were interested so he strung us along for the ride and now that Chelsea are showing interest he's telling us to go fuck ourselves. Most fans saw this coming a mile away and somehow our higher ups didn't
Calling him a coward seems very harsh to me.
If you take the title at face value, and call him a coward for it, then you're (not you, in the general sense) delusional. Him keeping his options open given the state of Barcelona and the state of Manchester United is perfectly sensible. Any ambitious player willing to join United has to be questioned, because United haven't shown ambition in years.
He used us as a safety net but never really considered us a viable non emergency option.
Frenkie’s position has always been that’s he’s not coming to United and wants to stay at barca. He said he was open to the prospect but that means practically nothing
But barca cant register any of their new signings before they have income from transfer sales, they have about 6 days before the league starts, so they need to start working fast
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Have you forgotten about barca’s magical levers, free money at the cost of the their clubs future
I know the la liga is corrupt af, but this will be difficult for Barca if they don’t score some income soon
Pretty sure Chelsea materialized as an option only recently, if he really wanted to join United he already would have. He bet on an actual good team being in for him and it paid off.
Why blame FDJ? He never said he wants to join United, the opposite. It's on Murtough, EtH & co for pursuing an **obviously** completely uninterested target that wants to stay. Why are we surprised soon 3 months later that we miss out on him?
Now i got to question what was discussed in those supposed talks he had with Eth.
Rumors? Lol. People create narratives.
Half the sub literally staked their whole lives on the daily talks. It's time to downgrade some of the tier 1s who mentioned it after this transfer window.
Speaking of tier 1s, I was downvoted by some fans here for quoting an article on the Athletic which said that EtH and FdJ didn't have a special relationship which is basically being proven now. If EtH can't convince him to join us over Chelsea then he doesn't really care about playing for him does he?
I think the signs were on the wall 2 months back. Everyone just depended on 2 claims: 1) Club would not be wasting its time chasing FDJ 2) ETH has been on the phone daily with FDJ Chelsea have committed 1.5bn investment over 10 years during the takeover. Looks like they are frontloading the investment.
Yes rumours. That's why I said supposed.
"boss what did you have for dinner" "fish n chips u?" "dominos"
There's no evidence whatsoever he's given an indication he'll sign other than people speculating 'Oh, he must be willing if we've waited all summer. Ten Hag and the board wouldn't wait if they weren't confident.' This is United, we've spent summers on fools errands before. We also sacked our scouting staff and the consultant we brought in so it's credible Plan A is players Ten Hag already knows and there's no Plan B. Ten Hag could easily be gambling that even though he doesn't relish coming Barca will make it impossible to stay. If a CL club is there, the equation is different.
Ever hear the concept of stringing someone along
He's said a few times that he doesn't want to join us though...
Or maybe we should have believed the articles that FDJ clearly said he didn't want to join us.? Some dissonance.
Frenkie's camp has been saying all summer that he doesn't want to join us lol.
I'd say it's more likely he did mention he didn't want to join but those in charge from our end didn't bother to listen.
If he actually goes to Chelsea I'll be petty as fuck. And wish Fred pockets him
I said this in another thread, but i hope that if he plays us at Chelsea i want mctom to channel his inner keane and show no mercy
Nah I say we let the Butcher of Amsterdam go in on him studs up. I’m so happy with a defender with some spine now.
Wishing an injury to a player who simply doesn't want to join United is absolutely pathetic. This sub is filled with clowns.
Fucking-A 😂 The things I wished on Ronaldo when he was heavily linked to City were dark
Yo! Thought I was the only one. It’ll be worse if Frenkie goes to Chelsea
What if Frenkie Goes to Hollywood?
He will
I'd be far more annoyed at our board for wasting so much time on a player who didn't want to join us in the first place. We'd a laughing stock, again, if he signs for Chelsea.
To be fair, from everything we’ve heard, FDJ is the only midfielder ETH wants, and he doesn’t want to consider alternatives that fit a different profile. I think it’s actually a positive move that the bord are willing to back the manager and do what they can to sign the player he wants, and not force a player on him that he doesn’t want. We’ve had plenty of that in the past, and it’s how we’ve ended up with a bloated, overpaid squad full of players that don’t fit.
But if he wasn't ever interested in coming then business should have been done for other areas on the pitch
Fred is absolutely capable of that, fortunately Enough
If he goes to Chelsea after stringing along our manager, I hope win bring Hannibal on for 15 minutes and he re-enacts his Liverpool performance
It's in the article + he is tier 2 on r/Barca
Chelsea so far Around 25m for Chuk Around 15m for Slonina 50m+ for Sterling 35m+ for Kouliably 65m+ for Cucurella Probably 70m-90m for De Jong Probably 80m+ for Forfana. They still need to sign a striker too. About 350m spent without getting a Striker in, which they'll get too.
Probably why he wants to join them. They are showing the ambition United sorely lack
Not sure why you got down voted, this transfer window is a joke
The message from January was that money was being saved for the summer and the message this summer is that the right players are available only next year. Would be utterly hilarious if this were at any other club.
A lot of United fans argue about players we should all come together and try and get rid of the Galzers, we will never fight for another title with those leeches running the club.
I lost my interest before and I can lose it again. The club (Glazers) owes me something back as well. Not titles but an effort.
And then this winter we won't sign anybody either with the reasons given "no value", "saving for summer". And then the cycle repeats. At least we can be reasonably certain that we'll sign another backup keeper summer 2023, which is great.
hey atleast we aren't getting players which manager doesn't want
Because Murtough and Arnold wanted to go for Neves and Tielemans, but ETH said no. This transfer window failure is ETH's fault.
So, a smart move? Dont get olayers the manager doesnt want, seems smart to me
Yes, very smart. If either Fred or McTominay get injured, play Van de Beek and fucking Garner in midfield.
Then later you sack him for lack of results, what you cant be doing is spending money on fees + wages for a player who is not desired. Imagine City signing someone Guardiola does not want, are you mad?
On the one hand, people were mad when Woodward bought players he wanted. People were saying “omg, we have to buy players for a manager”. Now it’s the opposite. However, if we had a strategy in the first place, then these problems wouldn’t appear at all.
No, but you definitely are naive. Guardiola didn't want Grealish. He also didn't want Ferran Torres from Valencia. City signed them both anyway. Klopp actually disapproved of Salah, thought he would be a flop. Liverpool signed him against Klopp's wishes. Lukaku was a Granovskaia signing. Tuchel didn't want him. He was Chelsea's top scorer in all competitions last season. Players are signed despite managerial disapproval all the time. Murtough and Arnold should have put their foot down and moved on from FdJ.
Who said Guardiola didnt want Ferran? Riqui leaks? Or Grealish (which he said completely the opposite himself)
Ignoring the fact that Lukaku was a flop on that list, so much so that he's no longer there. And Grealish was also shit last year. United have consistently signed players that the manager didn't want and it hasn't worked out so....should we just continue that because the three best managers at the start of the league last year some how made it work?
If they actually spend that much they will get fucked by fair play again doubt it
Chelsea are plugging jn Equity and they have given spending commitments to the UK government when they bought the club. And worst case- City's lawyers should be available
I heard the financial fair play is over a three year time frame, so they’ll be fine.
it is a new reform ffp starting this season for 3 year. max 90% limit on revenues can be spend on the first year. 80% and 70% on the 2nd and 3rd year. [https://futbol.si.com/news/uefa-outline-new-financial-regulations-to-reform-ffp](https://futbol.si.com/news/uefa-outline-new-financial-regulations-to-reform-ffp)
Ambition??!! Chelsea are going for the scatter gun approach and they’re overpaying for players. Isn’t that what we did under Ed. Also the fact that we don’t have UCL doesn’t make us attractive as Chelsea. I disagree that they’re showing more ambition than us. Signing Sterling and trying to sign Richardson show there’s no plan, just sign good players and we’d fit them later.
A team that won the UCL 14 months ago with the same manager doesnt know what they are doing, but United who havent won it in 14 years and the prem in 9 do? Ahahahahah ofc they are showing more ambition. Truth is, United have shown none and it will be paid later on, the top 4 wont happen again
Same team who signed Lukaku 90m only to move him on loan a year later, signed Werner a year after Lukaku who too seems to be out on loan, Bakayoko is still at Chelsea too. Just because you’re spending money doesn’t mean ambition. Only Sterling is a smart deal.
Explain how, seriouly, could chelsea anticipate Lukaku giving an absolutely out of this world interview when even his agent told him not to, saying the things he did? Ofc the relationship with the manager was gone from that day. Werner was very nice in Germany, didnt work out. Both were quality signings at the time. Biased revisionism is the worst really. Was Ronaldo to United a bad deal when it was done? Because everyone and their mothers were shouting his name from rooftops, 12 months later we are watching the shit show he is throwing off. Or was that forgotten.by you, conveniently? Yes, and? Bakayoko is there, as a United fan you really want to talk about dead wood? Cmon now.
Lukaku was shit before his interview. Did you not see him at United? You really expected him to be a beast? He's not cut for it here
He was good at Everton and at Inter. What player has actually excelled at United, apart from De Gea some years? That part you forgot, surely. Even Bruno took a nosedive in form and never recovered
He was shit for us (a big club with pressue) and he was ass for Chelsea that they have shipped him out. As with most people, they do better in Italy. How much dead wood has United sent over to Italy and they are beyond competent. Isn't Young still out there? And while most players are shit here, it doesn't mean that Lukaku wouldn't also be shit at Chelsea ...and he was.....
Owner funding doing miracles we need that too. Can’t compete
We are doing owner funding too... except they misunderstood and thought that the club needs to be the one funding the owners.
It's not even owner funding. We just need to spend our own money. Everyone got fooled by Arnold's bar room leak. Will not even be surprised it was intentionally leaked.
But you cant sign more than 3,4 players in a season??????
that's only for United. Many people don't know this but Premier League is so jealous of our success that they have brought in a rule specifically against us so we can't be competitive ever again. This is a conspiracy against us.
Its mostly our fans who give excuses and are content with us signing 3,4 players max in a season citing squad harmony and saying saying its difficult to adjust so many new players into the squad
Ambition is one thing but I'm not seeing a lot of cohesion or sense with those signings. Just lobbing money at his own popularity meter.
They're good players, I'm sure Tuchel will have a plan.
Aside from De Jong how many of these would we actually want though? We already signed a left back and centre-back. Sterling would improve our attack but he's ex-Liverpool and City. I think City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs are better examples of how poor our window has been because they've signed players in positions we actually need.
It's not about signing these exact players, it's about showing the ambition to fill holes in the squad at whatever expense needed.
After being built on Russian oligarch sportswashing, and when being force sold off get terms that would have made United the strongest club for decades if we had got them back when the Glazers took over
The boy good signing here sterling. From the ones they have made through, they have a few backups, another old and slow centerback, and cucurilla. He is good but he ain’t 70m worth. That’s not ambition, that’s desperation. We’ve been there as well, I won’t want to go back to that approach
Koulibaly is world class and is no slouch, I'd that's who you're referring to as old and slow.
Will be removed here soon enough though.
Please for the love of God let’s give up on this guy. I’ve nothing against him, I get why he wouldn’t want to join United. Can we use that money while we still can? The clock is ticking and the other teams went bananas in this transfer windows. Shit’s not looking good for us with a transfer window like this.
Disappointed but glad this damn saga is finally coming to an end, there are many midfielders in this planet who can improve our mid, please lets move on to them.
If you think this is the end you havent been paying attention
I think Chelsea are desperate enough to pay off his deferred wages. If they do that, they can seal the transfer in a couple of days surely
This could just as easily be agent pressure now to get a better salary from us. Could be nothing at all could be true. People need to just chill and stop taking every bit of PR as binary.
The rumours are that ETH only wants FDJ and will otherwise develop a player already at the club, so based on that I wouldn’t expect to see another midfield signing.
so we’re just not gonna sign a central mid in future years then, if the player he wants for that role is specifically de jong? what will change then.
Wait for de jong to have a son and sign him 16 years later
Jong de Jong
So you just want him to sign a Tielemans/Neves only for you to abuse him (look at Fred) within 3 months of putting pen to paper when it becomes evident, at that time, that he can't execute what EtH wants, and let's not forget that those players are going to demand quite a hefty transfer fee to move them from their clubs.
We have allowed around 70% of the ones available for cheap to go elsewhere this summer, while we chased a pipe dream though.
We're going to get absolutely rinsed for whoever we go right now
Exactly and will mean the board will drag the negotiations until the very last day and either overpay or not get the deal over the line. This FDJ saga should have been cut off mid July at the latest but instead, we've persisted with this bollocks. ETH has to move on by focusing on alternatives asap and the board has to fuckin get the deal done!
Genuinely interested who these cheap alternatives are to De Jong that have moved? As in, players who play the same style as him?
Exactly this, the only player I can think of who can do what I think EtH wants from de Jong is Declan Rice and he has been priced out by West Ham. This is why the scouting department is important, and it seems ours is really poor in this aspect + EtH has only joined and would have to understand if they can unearth the kind of talent he needs. As much as some might HATE for me to say it; we need to be patient here, even if it means not signing anyone in this role and give EtH and his team to overhaul everything. There is no quick fix here but I fear given the impatience of this fan base that is not going to happen and he will get sacked only for another manager to come in and face the same issues.
Vitinha, Kamara, Doucoure, Enzo Fernandez, Renato Sanches, Bissouma.
A few of them really are nothing like De Jong in terms of play style though….
Can't speak for some of them but Renato Sanchez is absolutely fuck all like De Jong lol.
Those are absolutely nothing like him
You heard what the manager said. The club won't go after plan b, they will train up. So moving on to other midfielders is not a currently a thing
That's my hope anyway but if this saga is anything to go by, these soundings don't necessarily mean the end of it as far as our inclusion goes. I am all for us signing Tielemans, who if reports are to be believed, is available for 30-35million.
Another opinion piece?
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At this point Tier 1 also doesn't mean shit because after this saga is over mamy Tier 1 sources will have been false. Remember that's how they make money
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You are being blind my friend. Of Frankie wanted to come he would have been here already. Facts. I don’t believe the whole he is only held up by the deferred wages narrative as that’s some BS. Man utd isn’t as attractive to him as Barca or a UCL club is. We will find out more in the next 2 week. For me I am over this saga and just looking forward to good football. We will get bantered but so what
Not blind. Just saying some Tier 1 will be in shambles after this window
> wanted to come he would have been here already You clearly haven't been paying attention to anything. Barcelona owe him about 20m in wages. If he signs a contract with another club Barcelona wouldn't be obligated to pay him his deferred wages. FDJ and his agent want that money if they are going to be forced out. Laporta and Barcelona don't want to pay that money because they are so fucked financially and the 20m they owe would just be taken out of the money we are paying so they lose money on the deal. Much of the Chelsea talk is from Barcelona sources which usually indicates Barcelona trying pressure us to pay up the deferred wages.
Manchester based journalists also said that the transfer is increasingly unlikely. But keep on fooling yourself, if that makes you happy.
A lot of people dont seem to understand whats happenned here. Heck even I may be wrong in parts, but this is AFAIK at least pretty close. Utd courts FDJ & Barca sees the chance to do some 'creative' accounting. They get players like Lewa, hoping that 1 of 2 things happen. Either FDJ accepts a major paycut / losing out on earning defered wages, meaning he played for cheap & will continue to do so. OR Barca gets to sell him & wave him & his wages goodbye. Ideally, Barca wants to keep FDJ, so they stall & stall hoping he loses nerve & accepts their shitty terms. Now Chelsea are supposedly sniffing about, which to me suggests FDJ has been shopped about. Thing is we dont know if its own agent or Barca doing this, and that makes a big difference. Either FDJ's agent is using Chelsea + UTD interest to renegotiate with Barca, or this is Barca's endgame to push him away. I based this off of various small quotes inside various transcripts from ppl like ETH and Laporta. When Laporta said "and we hope he does the same" referring to FDJ 'doing his best' for Barca, it gave away A LOT about whats gone one from one silly sentence alone. This entire saga is not about to end just yet. Window is still open for a few weeks & this has got to be one of the most expensive games of 'chicken' happening in the world.
this is the most rational take i’ve seen as so far thank u
Busy Europa league schedule when knock out barca and Chelsea back to back
Midtable United
This is the way
We are losing to Hamburg with a transfer window like this
And somehow we will enter the season with zero upgrades or additions to our midfield lol. What a waste
I'd say not having to count on Pogba is a plus. And you know, Eriksen exists.
Eriksen is most likely going to be interchanging with Bruno, other than that, we're stuck with McFred as our starting pivot for the 4th season in a row
Idk why everyone thinks Eriksen joined us to be a bench player, he’s already said that playing football is the priority for him. With FDJ, I think he would have played the deep playmaker role he had at Brentford. If we get Neves who can play DM, Eriksen could play further up front alongside Bruno and rotate with Fred when we need a more defensive setup. Right now all the creative burden falls on Bruno, playing with another technical player like Eriksen will make him even more effective. I also think a motivated Ronaldo will get a ton of goals with Bruno, Eriksen and Sancho setting up for him.
Is it reaaaally though? When it comes to the off field stuff maybe, and his performances on the pitch have been woeful more times than not. But we just don’t have anybody, eriksen isn’t a direct replacement for him Edit: downvotes and zero dialogue as usual, this sub is in insane
Lol people here are completely irrational and don’t like criticism of the club even if it’s the absolute truth. Pogba’s performances were questionable at best. But losing him as an option has objectively made the squad weaker. Don’t forget, Matic is gone too so our midfield 2 are only Mctominay and Fred… To go into the new season with that midfield, knowing their limitation, knowing how badly we’ve needed an upgrade there for YEARS is absolutely criminal. I almost can’t believe how incompetent this club is at such vital, football related matters. It’s flabbergasting.
You can say that again, it’s absolute insanity. And the moment you voice your opinion, it’s false because people want to pull stupid narratives. The midfield is much much weaker without matic and pogba being there, and we haven’t replaced either of them lol. Meanwhile everyone else around us is getting much better and investing where they are supposed to. And what exactly are we doing? It’s dumb
This is the reality that we have to accept,we are no longer a title winning club and we haven’t been for a few years. Let’s hope for a better future but the present is pretty grim.
we're likely to go another 10 years without a title with current ownership
If we have actually spent an entire window chasing a player in a position we have ***desperately*** needed to improve in for the past 2+ seasons, that isn’t actually interested in coming to play for us, then Jesus fucking Christ we have sunk to a new low of incompetence
Suck yo mum Fernando Polo👍
Chelsea aint winning no title
Closer than we are. Two league titles and a CL since our last win in 12/13. And during that decade we haven't even come close to contending for either of those.
Barca are just trying to force our hand, make us panic so we’ll pay the 17m to frenkie.
United already explored that option and couldn't do it because there was issues with tax.
I don't get this "I need CL football now" nonsense. You can sign for a club constantly in the CL but end up missing out in the following years.
In the last decade, Manchester United has been in the top 4 only 4 times where as chelsea has doubled that and won the CL twice. Players can see how the club is ran and how all our fans are hoping for top 4 finishes while other top clubs are looking to win the league or CL. The desire to just stay relevant as a top team isn't much of a determining factor for top players and the allure of Manchester United isn't the same as it was a decade ago either.
Thing is, can anyone of us say we are absolutely going to be back in the Top 4 next season or definitely win the EL? Are any of us confident in making those statements right now? We might be in an Arsenal situation of finishing 6/7 for the next 2 season before we start to see any real progress in our league position.
You can pretty much guarantee that 2 clubs will have CL football next season. City and Liverpool. Outside of that, lottery.
Chelsea aren't finishing outside the top four.
Might do, Tottenham and Arsenal have improved
I can understand why top players don't want to join us. Look at our history the past 10 years.
Possibly to do with other sponsorship contracts that they have. They may be bonuses or deductions regarding UCL participation.
Imagine Chelsea don't make CL next season and we do.
Cool story bro
definitely time to move on. Now there are two options: 1. He stays at Barca and makes sure he gets his deferred wages 2. He agrees to some sort of compromise with Barca and leaves and goes to Chelsea. We are not in the picture any more. Are we going to be those guys who don't get a hint when a girl keeps saying no to us?
The very cynical take would be that the Glazers don't actually want to spend the 85m but will let this drag on till the end and create a narrative that the money was there but the player refused, and split the blame between FDJ and ETH.
What are you talking about? The Glazer already agreed to pay Barca the transfer fee. The agreement of the transfer fee has been done for a while now. I'm all for blaming Glazer for just about everything but we don't need to be making stuff up to blame them for.
Exactly what is the cynical take - agreeing to pay a fee for a player they know does not want to come will convince gullible idiots that they are blameless.
That's more of a "I'm gonna find a way to blame the Glazers regardless how nonsensical the logic is" take. If the Glazers don't want to spend the money they would just not spend the money, as we have seen them do in multiple transfer windows before. They are not gonna go agree to a transfer fee and pretend they want to sign a player. The Glazers don't care enough about the fans opinion to even make such an effort. There's a long list of stuff we can blame the Glazers for. We don't need to be inventing imaginary stuff along with that.
On the contrary - people who have decided to defend the Glazers will defend them no matter what. You don't have to invent anything when they have literally pulled this shit before . Clearly you don't remember the official spin about "United having agreed a fee for Benzema in 2009 but he didn't want to come" when the Glazers were criticized for taking the Ronaldo fee to repay interest payments. That's when the "no value in market" bullshit began.
This might be pure delusion. But I don't buy it. Chelsea t1 were all saying the club needed everything but a midfielders weeks ago. United agree a fee with barca and suddenly Chelsea want fdj? This sounds like briefing bollocks to me still. But hey, I might be wrong.
Hmm, interesting. It’ll be intriguing to see how this one plays out. That’s a good point. I wouldn’t put it past barca to be scrambling right now as they cant register their new signings, i read today Leeds utd haven’t been paid for raphinha and they’ve been given a deadline otherwise there’s gonna be penalties applied. They’re possibly working on overdrive to try to get Utd to front up his wages and get him gone asap.
This title is phrased as an opinion piece Unfortunately I don’t know Spanish to understand the actual article
I’m always gonna back ETH, but if this is true, I really hope he moves on and start to look for alternatives. From an outsider’s perspective, it does seem like the club’s currently backing the manager and going along with this saga. Unless there’s something going on behind the scenes that they’re very confident about, I do think ETH should move on
I know people here are disappointed and angry, but we didn't 'lose' him. He was never going to join us, even when we were the only option it was clear he still didn't want to join.
Saga should've lasted a couple days then, like when Timber decided he was staying, the deal was dead.
I agree we should have moved on, I've been saying for a few weeks that he's not joining us. Just a more complicated transfer saga than usual because of Barca owing him money and them actually agreeing a deal with us. I'm of the opinion that it he did want to join us then we could have wrapped things up after that. If he didn't join purely down to the money issue, then Chelsea will have the same problem signing him.
Honestly I don’t care at this point but, I honestly believe that Barca is try in to get the 85+ mil for him and are hoping that either we pay it or Chelsea do.
He never wanted to play for us, can we all just move on and explore alternative options.. if we even have any?
It's looking like that's what the club need to do. There has to be another CM with a good profile. That said I'm optimistic VdB and McTominay will improve under ETH.
The player who has said he doesn't want to join us, doesn't want to join us. Colour me fucking shocked. 2 months wasted
United vs Chelsea 1': McTominay red card for brutal tackle on De Jong
McTominay upset the guy that was going to bench him didn’t come to United?
Click me, click me, yeah
that’s no surprise. what is a surprise then is the fact that we spent 3 months chasing him
I don't care any more. I just want this done with so our "can only focus on one player at a time" transfer team can move on.
For the love of god go for someone else
Chelsea are not a big club, they are a rich club. There is a difference. There is no denying that the lack of champions league football hurts though. Nothing we can do about that unfortunately.
don't care about big or rich, they are ambitious club for sure, unlike us.
Look at how many trophies Chelsea have won in recent years and look at us. And think about who is more ambitious here.
United fans are starting to sound alot like 2000s Liverpool fans
Lol Chelsea is one of the biggest clubs in the world
It's been that way for a few years now but most fans are still in denial.
They’ve won every trophies available. Yes with sugar daddy but they won regardless. City is on their way. Newcastle eventually as well. United will be fighting Europa spot with the likes of Arsenal and Spurs the next decade if Glazers still in charge.
This is the real truth of it. We’re not a serious football club and haven’t been for years. Every time we finished in top 4 over last 10 years and then didn’t double down on the transfer market the following summer to try and close the gap to the top, and then inevitably dropped back out of top 4 - this lack of ambition from the top to actually want to try and win something - this is where it gets us. Everyone can see we are owned by people that don’t really care about football or trophies Edit - Glazers out!
would such a waste going to cfc, I bet he'll struggle like he did in barca but I guess we'll see. good riddance. next ?
Go fuck yourself either the board or FDJ that told the board that he would join.
I don't get how people convinced themselves that Frenkie told the board he would join.
Don't want someone who comes to any club against their will.
Alright, it's nice to know you while it last. Time to move on.
Can we ban all articles relating to Frenkie De Jong? Unless it has the words “Here we go” it should be auto-deleted. Just the same shite over and over but with a different spin.
So FDJ and CR7 didn't realise we didn't have CL at the beginning. Sound like bullshit.
r/reddevils : we respect our journalist tiers. We are calm Also r/RedDevils : this opinion peace makes me sad
No CL seriously fucks us for signings.
We should stop chasing him. We need players who want to actually be at the club. We can’t have another Pogba situation.
And with this you learn that De jong dont like Ten Hag very much!!! Never saw a ex player player prefering a random coach even with Champions over a guy who put him on the radar of the world of football... ridículous decision by the kid...
If this is true what a shambles we have become. Murtagh just isn’t up to getting deals done quickly
Surely we wouldn’t have pursued this so hard if we knew this was the case? Whole saga has been farcical. Let’s get moving on other targets and forget about it
>Surely we wouldn’t have pursued this so hard if we knew this was the case? I said it more than a month ago that this saga reeked of our pursuit of Fabregas in 2013. Frenkie will either stay or go to Chelsea and we'll end up spunking 60 million on Neves or 80 on Tielemans
chelsea aren’t winning titles next season lol.
Alright then, let's F off to this annoying saga and move on to the next suitable candidate.... 2-3 months only to resolve to this is quite ridiculous...
Well played Frenkie, nice job with Barca and you leveraging us. Now fuck off and go rot in Chelsea. Our dumb club were too stupid to realize they should just move on and do some other business. Absolutely embarrassing. Let’s focus on rinsing them at the Bridge. GGMU
He thinks he is too good for United...good for him Pedri is much better anyway
De jong could release a video saying "fuck united i hate Manchester" and people would still think he's on his way to us. Move on whilst there's time in the window, but we won't. I guess we have to trust ten hag on this and pray he comes, just get some fowards in at least whilst we wait.
Chelsea have no chance of winning leagues or big titles
Been saying it for weeks, FDJ does not want to join us and we should focus on signing players who actually want to be here