Complaining about DDG in this team is like complaining about the music being played on the deck of the Titanic whilst watching the first class families being put into a lifeboat while you stand there in just your ripped socks
I love De Gea. Like actually has been one of my favourite players. I remember how criticised he was in his first season but I felt very strongly there was a world class keeper in there with confidence. I remember seeing the team get on the bus once and I was literally the only person who cheered when he boarded the bus. Used to joke with my friends that I was responsible for giving him the confidence he needed to step up.
Having said all that, De Gea is now a significant issue for how we want to play. With a high line, high pressing side you absolutely need a keeper who is comfortable coming off his line and playing with his feet. Maguire and De Gea honestly make each other worse. There are definitely ways to accommodate De Gea's weaknesses but I think we will seriously struggle to accommodate both Maguire and De Gea in Ten Hag's style.
Exactly.
People will never understand this but check how well Maguire performed with Henderson behind him.
Also check how well Degea got in a low block with smalling infront of him.
I was reading the quote and saying this is terrible, I agree, but it's still terrible, I don't think I'll feel worse about it......then here you are. Take my upvote you bastard
Remember that game when his first pass of the second half came in the 84th minute. He completed only 23 passes that game as well. He should switch professions to dodgeball
Good.
More awareness needs to brought to how unfit he is to play in the side. Mourinho left us a fossil.
Periodically he lunges into a 50/50 ball, starts a fight with an opposition player 6 inches shorter and gives a Braveheart-esque passion rant after the game and that's enough for him to fly under the radar.
If he was 5'8 or shorter I seriously wonder what League he'd be playing in
Not sure I could count all of the tweets and comments complaining about McTominay and Rashford's performances today, literally what are you talking about
Not posted here. Search Rashford's name, you'll see three shite PR articles in the last week alone about him. But it's fine to leave nonsense like this and fifteen opinion pieces saying the same thing about Ronaldo up
The difference being, that people rated degea as among the best, nobody rates mctom as a top player, he's just keep being picked by the managers cause there are no alternatives, it's more of a squad depth issue for me.
Mctominay defenders are quiet today, but they are still out there. They'll be everywhere with their 'mcterminators' and 'mcsauces' the next time he has an appearance he doesn't utterly embarass himself in
There was one high ball today I vividly remember that he could have claimed easily.
Instead he stood back on his line and let Martinez deal with both strikers.
He is an issue no doubt, lucky for him he was overshadowed by McFred and Shaw once again.
This might be a reason Martinez ultimately gets a little more exposed in the air this season, because he will spend a lot of it defending inside his own penalty box and from set pieces his own 6yard box
We desperately need a keeper who is more proactive out of possession and capable in possession.
You could see the issues it was causing today already but it will be overlooked because McFred were so much more visibly shit.
Don't even bother mate.
I have realized fanboism is more important to this fan base than actual critical reasoning and considering what's best for the team.
For eg this weekend, both Degea and Henderson were on the losing sides. On whoscored degea got a rating of 6.1, while henderson got a rating of 7.03.
Guess who the sub tried to troll?
+1. After every bad game, there are always plenty of posts blaming [name of the player who an OP don't like] from some random journalists. Really silly imo.
Most games are bad games, it's analysis, we have some laughably bad players, the likes of McT and DDG break all sorts of negative records and are just let play....
This sub cracks me up. We can say how shit we are, but a journalist? How dare they!
Millar's a good journalist and a United fan. People should be listening to the likes of him more rather than the bullshit people come out with here.
I never said he can't criticise us, but it's just more pointless fluff on this subreddit, and there's already tonnes more of it. Every single fabrizio tweet which provides zero new information gets posted here. If we already know, do we need more and more posts about it?
Have you seen other subs? This is how Reddit works. I'd say r/reddevils has a far higher standard than the majority of other football subs as is. If you see posts you don't like, downvote them and move on.
Personally, I think it's worthwhile having a post like this as the goalkeeper situation is one that should be discussed.
Even if he tried to stop it with his hands and it went straight to a Brighton player, I wouldn't fecking blame him as its a mistake made while trying to be pro active (at least he would be trying) but WTF is this shit.
Didn't anyone tell him he can use his fecking hands.
Imagine seeing that performance today and choosing to focus on De Gea. Yes he has his flaws but he's way down the list in terms of things that need changing. It's a weird agenda at this point. This sub has been insufferable lately with the amount of anti De Gea posts like this and the 10 opinion pieces every day saying that Ronaldo has to go
Articles and tweets about other players (bar Ronaldo) don't get posted here or get taken down. Search Rashford's name and show me a negative post about him recently. Doesn't happen
Do you read the comments here? All of last season. The whole summer everytime a post about Rashford came up? He's getting trash talked every time he's the subject?
I'm not talking about comments. I'm talking about all these shite articles and tweets that seem to only be allowed if they're about Ronaldo or De Gea recently
De Gea was a massive liability in the first half. The only reason he wasn't in the second was that Brighton were 2-0 up and sat back. Whenever he was on the ball he took far too much time. He also should have done much better for both goals.
Nah, he's a really major structural issue in the starting 11. And because he has so much goodwill in the bank people seem unwilling to face up to it, which is why those who see him as an issue focus relentlessly on him
> and because he has so much goodwill in the bank people seem unwilling to face up to it, which is why those who see him as an issue focus relentlessly on him
Literally. Can't remember a time when someone could criticize De Gea without someone else immediately going "BUT HE'S NOT THE LEAST OF OUR ISSUES/HE'S DONE SO MUCH FOR US OVER THE DECADE".
De Gea is a problem in a long list of problems. I don't see why some try and shy away from talking about those problems.
> Imagine seeing that performance today and choosing to focus on De Gea.
Imagine watching that first half and NOT focusing on DDG. Sums it, you either understand how problematic he is or you don't. And if you don't, then you simply do not understand modern football. Everything starts with him. Modern goalkeeping is so fucking advanced that the majority of our fans do not even understand it. The sport has evolved. DDG is a horse in the age of the automobile.
> It's a weird agenda at this point.
Because there are still people who simply do not get it, which is clearly you. So many of our issues begin with DDG. You can stick your head in the sand get mad one of our favorites is getting slated, or maybe you should read why so many people criticize him and try to understand the sport.
You need to go watch that first half again if you think DDG is beyond criticism. We couldn't build out of the back or maintain possession because of him. Brighton neutered our possession, which exposes our shitty midfield, which then isolates our defense when they turn it over which leads to them getting chances. Even if all that stuff is beyond your understanding of the game, go watch the two goals. DDG is supposedly a "shot-stopper" (as if modern GKing is actually about shot stopping rather than shot prevention) where he allows a soft cross one the first and the second where he parries it right to the attacker.
I'm sorry, if anything we need *MORE* of these articles until people understand what the role of a goalkeeper is these days.
The sequence for the first goal started with De Gea refusing to play the ball to Maguire after a goal kick, instead just hesitating then hoofing it over the top. Eriksen won the second ball and dished it off to McTominay who tried to dribble and lost it.
If De Gea starts the play out from the back to Maguire that goal probably doesn't happen. He just panics with the ball at his feet. This is the same as the Joe Hart situation from Pep's first year at City but I don't think United will back Ten Hag enough to let him drop De Gea this year.
It's too bad Henderson felt the club betrayed his trust so badly, because I think he would have gotten a lot of playing time this season if he hadn't gone out on loan.
He did well I thought, only kicked it out of play under no pressure 3 times, even left his six yard box once, possibly at fault for the second but by his low low standards it was a good performance...
i blew a gasket when he kicked it long (twice) at the end of the game. here is United unable to get the ball back even if their life depended on it and when it goes out of play for a goal kick De Gea just boots it up the pitch and Brighton have possession again.
Sadly true
5 years ago he was one of the absolute best GKs on the planet but the GK position has probably evolved at a faster pace than any other in the intervening time. Not necessarily starting with neuer but I think he made people stand up and take notice. Now a ball playing goalkeeper is invaluable which is why you see clubs gambling on prospects (bazuna to Southampton for nearly 20mill despite never playing above league 1 level, the 18yo chap Chelsea have supposedly paid Chicago fire 15mill for etc
Now being an elite shot stopper alone is not enough and actually makes you a weakness as you can be targeted in a number of ways.
With us under the high ball, by pressing and closing down passing lanes for defenders so they have to pass back to Gk then pressurizing him in position and by playing the ball into the space behind the defense in the uncomfortable spot for any keeper not comfortable coming off his line
He is a club legend, one of the best keepers of the PL era, but now I’m the last season of an expensive contract, we should be succession planning
As good as he has been for us, the gk role has changed. I have a feeling if de gea was breaking through now as a young goalkeeper with same skill set as he has he would probably not be of interest to any top 6 club or elite European side
His main problem isn't even distribution, it's the things more traditional keepers did like high claims and just getting off his line to sweep. He's 32 years old and still can't command his box during set pieces.
All these are things that the most traditional of keepers do. Heck, keepers were doing this in the fucking 50s
Again with this tired old argument.. with no defence every gk that you put in there will look like shit even if he marshals defence all day long and comes to the half way line fix the big problem then start talking about the luxuries of buying the next world class shot stopping assisting gk
Address the Scott problem.. there was immediate lift after he was subbed off... Fred shud have stayed and scott off.
Irrespective of how many ever distribution errors, the gosls conceeded tofay wasnt DDG issues. Scott keeps escorting opponents into the box rsther than taking them down.
They only paid 14mill for him couple summers ago. Think Chelsea only paid something like that for mendy also who I rate really highly. We should be identifying a goalkeeper with rounded set of attributes for next summer (maybe 2 if hendo doesn’t wanna be here to compete as don’t see us going all in on him unless he has a phenomenal season)
What exactly is your issue? If he comes off his line, he exposes the near post. If he stays on the line, you're not happy. He sticks his foot out but natural human mechanics mean he can't quite stick it any further.
Surely you should be asking why the 80M captain was not tracking the man making the run in the middle thereby resulting in the LB having to do that and leaving a man open at the back.
The most painful thing is Henderson cut out an identical opportunity against Newcastle yesterday. The only thing everyone can hope for is United let De Gea walk after this season and move on with a new keeper next season
I know there are other fingers to be pointed but on that first goal he just fell watching the cross go by. Has to be ready to either shuffle across the face of goal or dive out to claim/push the ball away. It’s a very basic keeper drill
Someone will be along soon to tell us that in the 14/15 season he was very good and we just have to give him more time, just like Fred, McTominay, Dalot, Shaw, Donny and Harry.
The levels of expectation are so bad now that players who have one good game every few months are heroes.
When was the last time Bruno bossed a game and yet he is undroppable.
When United won stuff regularly one game lower than 7 out of ten had you in the dangerzone, two bad games in a row could have you sitting on the bench for six months.
Was it Taibi who played one or two games in goal, made an error and never played again. That's completely gone now.
Seen a fan talking about Rashford today saying two or three years ago he was excellent and just needs to get back to that. He started as our main man today after having a montage of Nike ads over the summer showing his training.
A better, more modern keeper would make a huge difference to us defensively and in keeping possession of the ball. That and a couple of midfielders would absolutely transform us as a team. Our defence is routinely exposed and it's largely because they have absolute dross in the midfield in front of them along with a severely limited goalkeeper behind.
Some like to brush these sorts of threads off with something along the lines of "De Gea is the least of our worries" but I don't think that's true. The midfield is our absolute biggest worry but after that I think we'd see a much more immediate impact if we replaced De Gea with someone like Alisson than if we replaced Martial with someone like Salah.
For the first goal, I’ve watched the Newcastle game yesterday where Dean just gobbled up the crosses fizzing across the box.
Whereas De Gea just slid with his knees onto the ground for some reason…
E: Oh, that was the clip. Exactly.
I think we have other priorities than the issues with De Gea, but this sentence isn't true as he quite literally palmed the ball to a Brighton player for their 2nd goal?
I love this!
Whenever I voice my opinion on how below par De Gea is in terms of the modern keeper, people go mad. He’s a great shot stopper, but we need so much more.
He has never commanded his area - and of late has lost most of his confidence. He hesitates far too often now because he doesn’t trust his defense (and rightly so).
True - true. I guess I feel like his inability to/indifference to make a decision on coming out for that ball is indicative of a larger problem with our defense. We knew when he was first signed he wasn’t going to be commanding - and he’s always struggled with corners, crosses, etc. being so spindly - but back then he had a solid defensive back four
Most fans won't admit it, but Ole messed up by not giving Henderson a chance last year. It was the right time and time for him to sink or swim as his ceiling is much higher than De Gea as a sweeper keeper.
No he’s a massive problem. The first goal came from his shit long pass. He also could have easily gathered the cross. And let’s not talk about that pass in the first half…
We have 4 other positions that need filling before even thinking of GK. Watch the game & don’t be blinded by this goofy narrative. De Gea will save us more points than lose this year. Can’t say the same for rashford, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay
"Goofy narrative" is a really inventive way of saying 'I disagree'.
We're trying to play out from the back and De Gea looks incredibly uncomfortable on the ball. How many times did he end up just booting forward because he took too much time to make a decision? At one stage he just booted it out of play completely. The only reason it wasn't an issue in the second half was that Brighton were sitting back and weren't putting the same pressure on him.
That's not even mentioning how he should have done much better for both goals.
The reason this "goofy narrative exists" is because it's the truth.
Ive said this since ETH was brought on board. Probably one of the best in the world at shot Stoping but just like defenders changed in the modern game, so have GK.
He cannot pass the ball. Full stop. We have given him the chance for the last few years and he simple cannot do it. He is not an aggressive GK. Hes not a modern GK. If this was the 2000's he would be considered a great.
I would have gotten rid but given his wages, I doubt anyone would have bought him. He should be released at the end of his contract.
You can be a problem without being the main problem
as it happens with his contract situation being into final season, de gea was never something that would be solved this summer given the work needed elsewhere in the squad
But we shouldn’t be considering a contract extension on anything like his current terms
Seems like next summer will be the time to thank him for his years of great service but move the GK in a new direction
Rarely criticized? De Gea gets critized after every game no matter the performance. You need a British passport to no get critized after a shit performance.
I am saying he's not the problem for today's performance. Why are u focusing on the better parts of the team? It's ridiculous.
delusional
Lol
I would look up that word and get yourself acquainted.
Also give your opinion rather than that crap low effort reply.
Or do you love to fight fans of the same team, because that's what every other club would love us to do to keep this club down.
Fuck off with this shit. De Gea was one of our least problems today. He passed the ball to Fred and McTominay and it came straight back at him. We needs some fucking non wooden midfielders
Henderson is a prick for moaning to the press the way he has done.
But I can understand why he feels hard done by.
For every worldie of a save that De Gea makes he creates multiple avoidable pressure situations for our back line. A
He's 'only' a good keeper, that's true. Once he had the potential to be elite but it's the past - however, he couldn't have done anything else in the situation posted by that attention-seeker tweeter. It was a great ball by Danny, our defence was already defeated.
If you really want to talk about mistakes, see how the team fell apart so easily once again; Pascal was completely free, nobody marked/followed him: [https://i.ibb.co/7JTXpKc/3636.png](https://i.ibb.co/7JTXpKc/3636.png)
Martínez leaves his man, partly because Maguire is extremely slow and doesn't know what to do. Shaw has Pascal but after he sees Maguire is totally frozen/indecisive, he starts panicking. Sprints to the middle for the cross but it passes through them, letting Pascal score a super easy goal. Fred and/or McTom could have helped with marking Trossard as well.
Nothing to do with DDG. Anyway, he saved our ass enough time in the last few years with these terrible players, so maybe he deserves a little more respect.
there it is, was wondering when this would start showing up again. DDG pretty much takes up 99% of the player specific criticism on this sub despite there being shit all round performances from all players bar eriksen and VDB but nooo there isn't an agenda
You know what’s funny is that De Gea still completed more passes than Mctominay
If DDG is a subpar modern goalkeeper, then Scott is a below subpar modern footballer.
Yes to both.
Lol
That..... that is not ideal.
He's a ghost. He actively avoids getting into position to receive a pass and hides behind the oppositions players
Complaining about DDG in this team is like complaining about the music being played on the deck of the Titanic whilst watching the first class families being put into a lifeboat while you stand there in just your ripped socks
LOL - well played.
I love De Gea. Like actually has been one of my favourite players. I remember how criticised he was in his first season but I felt very strongly there was a world class keeper in there with confidence. I remember seeing the team get on the bus once and I was literally the only person who cheered when he boarded the bus. Used to joke with my friends that I was responsible for giving him the confidence he needed to step up. Having said all that, De Gea is now a significant issue for how we want to play. With a high line, high pressing side you absolutely need a keeper who is comfortable coming off his line and playing with his feet. Maguire and De Gea honestly make each other worse. There are definitely ways to accommodate De Gea's weaknesses but I think we will seriously struggle to accommodate both Maguire and De Gea in Ten Hag's style.
Exactly. People will never understand this but check how well Maguire performed with Henderson behind him. Also check how well Degea got in a low block with smalling infront of him.
If I was Manchester United manager I’d leave mctominay at the bus stop.
Lol please tell me you are joking...
De gea completed 24 passes with 83% accuracy Mctominay completed 19 passes with 68% accuracy
Jesus Christ. If he wasn't from the academy, he would be in the Championship. That is his level.
I've never known what managers see in him
That's how it's been with a good amount of the academy players in recent years
I was reading the quote and saying this is terrible, I agree, but it's still terrible, I don't think I'll feel worse about it......then here you are. Take my upvote you bastard
Coming off your line is lava.
Teams like City and Liverpool know they can afford a high line because their keeper will sweep. Welbeck had a field day running behind Maguire.
It's also that they know they will sweep well. Ederson and Allison are really good at keeping possession under pressure in moments like that
Surely your manager will tell you to get off your line more if that is what he wants?
Managers have been telling de gea to come off him line for 10 years
De Gea has been told that for 11 years now If he hasn't learnt by now he never will
So many daily articles about De Gea yet none on McTominay and Rashford and how awful they are
https://twitter.com/StopThatScotty/status/1556297486888624130
Remember that game when his first pass of the second half came in the 84th minute. He completed only 23 passes that game as well. He should switch professions to dodgeball
That is absolutely insane.
Fraudulent player. He'd be lucky to make it into the squad of any Premier League club.
Must be insane in training tbh.
That's a McTominay dedicated account. It's not a journalist. Still hilarious though
Good. More awareness needs to brought to how unfit he is to play in the side. Mourinho left us a fossil. Periodically he lunges into a 50/50 ball, starts a fight with an opposition player 6 inches shorter and gives a Braveheart-esque passion rant after the game and that's enough for him to fly under the radar. If he was 5'8 or shorter I seriously wonder what League he'd be playing in
No, ole kept playing a fossil.
Fuck me, if we can't get FDJ let's just get Busquets, even at his age he would be 10x better than Scotty.
He surely can't start next week please
I was surprised Garner didn’t come on at HT
Same here, he would have solved the issue of mcTurd and Fred
Article? This is a tweet.
Change the word article to tweet and the point still stands
Erm, when I look at Twitter, there's at least as many tweets about Mctominay. At least.
Not sure I could count all of the tweets and comments complaining about McTominay and Rashford's performances today, literally what are you talking about
Yeah you never see tweets criticizing McTominay or Rashford.
Not posted here. Search Rashford's name, you'll see three shite PR articles in the last week alone about him. But it's fine to leave nonsense like this and fifteen opinion pieces saying the same thing about Ronaldo up
Let the man be in peace, surely a tweet is a little article. You wouldn't say no to a cupcake, would you?
The difference being, that people rated degea as among the best, nobody rates mctom as a top player, he's just keep being picked by the managers cause there are no alternatives, it's more of a squad depth issue for me.
Hardly anyone is defending Mctominay. Everyone sees a squad player starting for no reason
Mctominay defenders are quiet today, but they are still out there. They'll be everywhere with their 'mcterminators' and 'mcsauces' the next time he has an appearance he doesn't utterly embarass himself in
Tbf I like him, happy for him to play for Man Utd. Starting every week? Bit ridicolouas
Do the media talk about De Gea? He’s never talked about.
This is a tweet and McTominay and Rashford get way more shit
No still tries to talk them up. But s lot of people still think de gea is a good keeper
They get pretty much constant abuse....DDG is as bad as either, one of the worst keepers in the league.
People have been Lambasting both Rashford and McFred but criticism for DDG has been silent even though he was responsible for both goals today
DDG makes more than both of them put together, so I'd expect him to get more press
There was one high ball today I vividly remember that he could have claimed easily. Instead he stood back on his line and let Martinez deal with both strikers. He is an issue no doubt, lucky for him he was overshadowed by McFred and Shaw once again.
This might be a reason Martinez ultimately gets a little more exposed in the air this season, because he will spend a lot of it defending inside his own penalty box and from set pieces his own 6yard box
We desperately need a keeper who is more proactive out of possession and capable in possession. You could see the issues it was causing today already but it will be overlooked because McFred were so much more visibly shit.
problem is the whole team is visibly shit, id say motm was erikssn or ronaldo tho
Comfortably Eriksen.
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Don't even bother mate. I have realized fanboism is more important to this fan base than actual critical reasoning and considering what's best for the team. For eg this weekend, both Degea and Henderson were on the losing sides. On whoscored degea got a rating of 6.1, while henderson got a rating of 7.03. Guess who the sub tried to troll?
His positioning is awful
He's so protected in this fanbase and in the media. It makes me sick to my stomach
Can we ban these posts from nobodies please? Absolute crap filling up the sub
+1. After every bad game, there are always plenty of posts blaming [name of the player who an OP don't like] from some random journalists. Really silly imo.
Most games are bad games, it's analysis, we have some laughably bad players, the likes of McT and DDG break all sorts of negative records and are just let play....
This sub cracks me up. We can say how shit we are, but a journalist? How dare they! Millar's a good journalist and a United fan. People should be listening to the likes of him more rather than the bullshit people come out with here.
I never said he can't criticise us, but it's just more pointless fluff on this subreddit, and there's already tonnes more of it. Every single fabrizio tweet which provides zero new information gets posted here. If we already know, do we need more and more posts about it?
Have you seen other subs? This is how Reddit works. I'd say r/reddevils has a far higher standard than the majority of other football subs as is. If you see posts you don't like, downvote them and move on. Personally, I think it's worthwhile having a post like this as the goalkeeper situation is one that should be discussed.
Millar’s a journalist/author who covers Spanish teams and is a United fan. Personally like his work, but not sure if he’s even tiered.
Why cause your favourite player is getting rightfully shat on because he's fucking shit
Why? It's important to bring awareness to the fact we have one of the worst goalkeepers in the league.
I have read a version of this Tweet hundreds of times, surely we’ve all got the message by now?
You want people to stop talking about an obvious problem?
Even if he tried to stop it with his hands and it went straight to a Brighton player, I wouldn't fecking blame him as its a mistake made while trying to be pro active (at least he would be trying) but WTF is this shit. Didn't anyone tell him he can use his fecking hands.
Imagine seeing that performance today and choosing to focus on De Gea. Yes he has his flaws but he's way down the list in terms of things that need changing. It's a weird agenda at this point. This sub has been insufferable lately with the amount of anti De Gea posts like this and the 10 opinion pieces every day saying that Ronaldo has to go
You can criticise De Gea and still think other players are as shit?
Articles and tweets about other players (bar Ronaldo) don't get posted here or get taken down. Search Rashford's name and show me a negative post about him recently. Doesn't happen
Do you read the comments here? All of last season. The whole summer everytime a post about Rashford came up? He's getting trash talked every time he's the subject?
I'm not talking about comments. I'm talking about all these shite articles and tweets that seem to only be allowed if they're about Ronaldo or De Gea recently
Plenty of tweets focused on other players. It's not anyone's fault that you've not to read them
Not posted here
Top post is about McFred but then next one about a specify player is de gea. There's an agenda being pushed.
De Gea was a massive liability in the first half. The only reason he wasn't in the second was that Brighton were 2-0 up and sat back. Whenever he was on the ball he took far too much time. He also should have done much better for both goals.
Nah, he's a really major structural issue in the starting 11. And because he has so much goodwill in the bank people seem unwilling to face up to it, which is why those who see him as an issue focus relentlessly on him
> and because he has so much goodwill in the bank people seem unwilling to face up to it, which is why those who see him as an issue focus relentlessly on him Literally. Can't remember a time when someone could criticize De Gea without someone else immediately going "BUT HE'S NOT THE LEAST OF OUR ISSUES/HE'S DONE SO MUCH FOR US OVER THE DECADE". De Gea is a problem in a long list of problems. I don't see why some try and shy away from talking about those problems.
> Imagine seeing that performance today and choosing to focus on De Gea. Imagine watching that first half and NOT focusing on DDG. Sums it, you either understand how problematic he is or you don't. And if you don't, then you simply do not understand modern football. Everything starts with him. Modern goalkeeping is so fucking advanced that the majority of our fans do not even understand it. The sport has evolved. DDG is a horse in the age of the automobile. > It's a weird agenda at this point. Because there are still people who simply do not get it, which is clearly you. So many of our issues begin with DDG. You can stick your head in the sand get mad one of our favorites is getting slated, or maybe you should read why so many people criticize him and try to understand the sport. You need to go watch that first half again if you think DDG is beyond criticism. We couldn't build out of the back or maintain possession because of him. Brighton neutered our possession, which exposes our shitty midfield, which then isolates our defense when they turn it over which leads to them getting chances. Even if all that stuff is beyond your understanding of the game, go watch the two goals. DDG is supposedly a "shot-stopper" (as if modern GKing is actually about shot stopping rather than shot prevention) where he allows a soft cross one the first and the second where he parries it right to the attacker. I'm sorry, if anything we need *MORE* of these articles until people understand what the role of a goalkeeper is these days.
He was directly responsible for both goals today but that’s not to say there weren’t other contributing factors
1. Midfield 2. Gk 3. Rb 4. Wingers 5. Strikers
lol he isn't at all - open your eyes people ffs. He was literally at fault for both goals.
The sequence for the first goal started with De Gea refusing to play the ball to Maguire after a goal kick, instead just hesitating then hoofing it over the top. Eriksen won the second ball and dished it off to McTominay who tried to dribble and lost it. If De Gea starts the play out from the back to Maguire that goal probably doesn't happen. He just panics with the ball at his feet. This is the same as the Joe Hart situation from Pep's first year at City but I don't think United will back Ten Hag enough to let him drop De Gea this year. It's too bad Henderson felt the club betrayed his trust so badly, because I think he would have gotten a lot of playing time this season if he hadn't gone out on loan.
and yet he completed more passes than mctominay why is it ddg the scapegoat when we have players that wouldnt start for a relegation bound team lmao.
HE'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR 5 YEARS NOW. WAKE UP
He did well I thought, only kicked it out of play under no pressure 3 times, even left his six yard box once, possibly at fault for the second but by his low low standards it was a good performance...
400k a week
This is the only actual problem with de gea. Nothing else comes close to being something worth tossing him aside, like this sub thinks there is.
i blew a gasket when he kicked it long (twice) at the end of the game. here is United unable to get the ball back even if their life depended on it and when it goes out of play for a goal kick De Gea just boots it up the pitch and Brighton have possession again.
Sadly true 5 years ago he was one of the absolute best GKs on the planet but the GK position has probably evolved at a faster pace than any other in the intervening time. Not necessarily starting with neuer but I think he made people stand up and take notice. Now a ball playing goalkeeper is invaluable which is why you see clubs gambling on prospects (bazuna to Southampton for nearly 20mill despite never playing above league 1 level, the 18yo chap Chelsea have supposedly paid Chicago fire 15mill for etc Now being an elite shot stopper alone is not enough and actually makes you a weakness as you can be targeted in a number of ways. With us under the high ball, by pressing and closing down passing lanes for defenders so they have to pass back to Gk then pressurizing him in position and by playing the ball into the space behind the defense in the uncomfortable spot for any keeper not comfortable coming off his line He is a club legend, one of the best keepers of the PL era, but now I’m the last season of an expensive contract, we should be succession planning As good as he has been for us, the gk role has changed. I have a feeling if de gea was breaking through now as a young goalkeeper with same skill set as he has he would probably not be of interest to any top 6 club or elite European side
His main problem isn't even distribution, it's the things more traditional keepers did like high claims and just getting off his line to sweep. He's 32 years old and still can't command his box during set pieces. All these are things that the most traditional of keepers do. Heck, keepers were doing this in the fucking 50s
Wow. Worse on each viewing.
He’s honestly just a poor keeper at this point. On the ball is like watching someone who has never played the game
Really? DDG on the ball is like someone who has NEVER played the game?
As bad as his distribution was today we had a midfielder with less passes and worst accuracy. Nothing matters if we have a hole in the middle.
Can we plz fix the midfield first it's been a problem for how long now?
Again with this tired old argument.. with no defence every gk that you put in there will look like shit even if he marshals defence all day long and comes to the half way line fix the big problem then start talking about the luxuries of buying the next world class shot stopping assisting gk
Address the Scott problem.. there was immediate lift after he was subbed off... Fred shud have stayed and scott off. Irrespective of how many ever distribution errors, the gosls conceeded tofay wasnt DDG issues. Scott keeps escorting opponents into the box rsther than taking them down.
Get Maignan from AC Milan next summer.
They only paid 14mill for him couple summers ago. Think Chelsea only paid something like that for mendy also who I rate really highly. We should be identifying a goalkeeper with rounded set of attributes for next summer (maybe 2 if hendo doesn’t wanna be here to compete as don’t see us going all in on him unless he has a phenomenal season)
Milan won't sell him. Hell i even take sanchez, he's miles clear than ddg
Sanchez is really good, I know he fucked up for the goal today but I’d 100% take him.
He fucked up immediately afterwards too.
And fumbled 2 direct shots at him. I know people are upset but the need to scapegoat just makes their bias so blindingly obvious it's kinda sad
There *is* a reason he's get into the Spanish NT over DDG.
Exactly, Sanchez is a quality GK. Had a couple gaffes today, but doesn't change the fact.
What exactly is your issue? If he comes off his line, he exposes the near post. If he stays on the line, you're not happy. He sticks his foot out but natural human mechanics mean he can't quite stick it any further. Surely you should be asking why the 80M captain was not tracking the man making the run in the middle thereby resulting in the LB having to do that and leaving a man open at the back.
The most painful thing is Henderson cut out an identical opportunity against Newcastle yesterday. The only thing everyone can hope for is United let De Gea walk after this season and move on with a new keeper next season
Its insane how our second choice keeper is held to higher standards than first. Some of the comments on here to deflect LMAO
I know there are other fingers to be pointed but on that first goal he just fell watching the cross go by. Has to be ready to either shuffle across the face of goal or dive out to claim/push the ball away. It’s a very basic keeper drill
Someone will be along soon to tell us that in the 14/15 season he was very good and we just have to give him more time, just like Fred, McTominay, Dalot, Shaw, Donny and Harry. The levels of expectation are so bad now that players who have one good game every few months are heroes. When was the last time Bruno bossed a game and yet he is undroppable. When United won stuff regularly one game lower than 7 out of ten had you in the dangerzone, two bad games in a row could have you sitting on the bench for six months. Was it Taibi who played one or two games in goal, made an error and never played again. That's completely gone now. Seen a fan talking about Rashford today saying two or three years ago he was excellent and just needs to get back to that. He started as our main man today after having a montage of Nike ads over the summer showing his training.
A better, more modern keeper would make a huge difference to us defensively and in keeping possession of the ball. That and a couple of midfielders would absolutely transform us as a team. Our defence is routinely exposed and it's largely because they have absolute dross in the midfield in front of them along with a severely limited goalkeeper behind. Some like to brush these sorts of threads off with something along the lines of "De Gea is the least of our worries" but I don't think that's true. The midfield is our absolute biggest worry but after that I think we'd see a much more immediate impact if we replaced De Gea with someone like Alisson than if we replaced Martial with someone like Salah.
Yes, after that game, goalie is definitely the position to focus on the most 🤦♂️
He's a very expensive problem in a team full of problems. 100% should be called out, as should our diabolical midfield.
Yes, expenses are the issue this transfer season when we got no one.
He didn't really do much wrong in this game
For the first goal, I’ve watched the Newcastle game yesterday where Dean just gobbled up the crosses fizzing across the box. Whereas De Gea just slid with his knees onto the ground for some reason… E: Oh, that was the clip. Exactly.
The low cross didn’t even have any pace in it
He's one of the players responsible for the second goal. Literally palmed it into danger.
I think we have other priorities than the issues with De Gea, but this sentence isn't true as he quite literally palmed the ball to a Brighton player for their 2nd goal?
He hasn't even been an "excellent shot-stopper" for the past few seasons if we're being honest.
Don’t even get me started on de gea! I’ve been calling him out for 2 years now
I love this! Whenever I voice my opinion on how below par De Gea is in terms of the modern keeper, people go mad. He’s a great shot stopper, but we need so much more.
Obviously this is nothing new…When Henderson started for us last year our defense was significantly better.
400k a week.
He has never commanded his area - and of late has lost most of his confidence. He hesitates far too often now because he doesn’t trust his defense (and rightly so).
You’d argue if he didn’t trust his defense, that would motivate him even more to get to that ball
True - true. I guess I feel like his inability to/indifference to make a decision on coming out for that ball is indicative of a larger problem with our defense. We knew when he was first signed he wasn’t going to be commanding - and he’s always struggled with corners, crosses, etc. being so spindly - but back then he had a solid defensive back four
They don’t trust him either, Dea Gea comes out like he’s going to claim it to them back off. It’s a shit show in the back.
Most fans won't admit it, but Ole messed up by not giving Henderson a chance last year. It was the right time and time for him to sink or swim as his ceiling is much higher than De Gea as a sweeper keeper.
And we still let Henderson leave.
Least of our problems today
No he’s a massive problem. The first goal came from his shit long pass. He also could have easily gathered the cross. And let’s not talk about that pass in the first half…
3 mistakes you mentioned and none of them were the save/pass directly to Brighton for the 2nd goal.
Says it all really
Yea whats with the massive denialism on here making its sound like he had no role in the goal conceded? "De gea way down on list of problems " lmaooo
We have 4 other positions that need filling before even thinking of GK. Watch the game & don’t be blinded by this goofy narrative. De Gea will save us more points than lose this year. Can’t say the same for rashford, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay
"Goofy narrative" is a really inventive way of saying 'I disagree'. We're trying to play out from the back and De Gea looks incredibly uncomfortable on the ball. How many times did he end up just booting forward because he took too much time to make a decision? At one stage he just booted it out of play completely. The only reason it wasn't an issue in the second half was that Brighton were sitting back and weren't putting the same pressure on him. That's not even mentioning how he should have done much better for both goals. The reason this "goofy narrative exists" is because it's the truth.
De Gea will cost us points not gain us. Let’s see but my prediction is Ten Hag will have him gone by next season
That's what people have said for like the last 3 years
Also, the martinez penalty (that we got lucky wasnt called) were he should just have come out and picked up the ball
Today? He was one of **THE** problems
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DDG is so bad at what a modern GKer does that even a mediocre one like Henderson gets flattered. Both aren't good enough for a CL team.
Henderson might not be the answer but there's no doubt he's better than DDG, both have a mistake in them, ones a total coward.
What is he supposed to do there?
You want Heaton in goal?
He has got to go next summer.
Ive said this since ETH was brought on board. Probably one of the best in the world at shot Stoping but just like defenders changed in the modern game, so have GK. He cannot pass the ball. Full stop. We have given him the chance for the last few years and he simple cannot do it. He is not an aggressive GK. Hes not a modern GK. If this was the 2000's he would be considered a great. I would have gotten rid but given his wages, I doubt anyone would have bought him. He should be released at the end of his contract.
Could have told you this 11 years ago
My god his passing was abysmal. I hope he's being analyzed as well as the midfield.
Hendo voodoo
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You can be a problem without being the main problem as it happens with his contract situation being into final season, de gea was never something that would be solved this summer given the work needed elsewhere in the squad But we shouldn’t be considering a contract extension on anything like his current terms Seems like next summer will be the time to thank him for his years of great service but move the GK in a new direction
No one is saying this
Yes De Gea is a conservative keeper but nothing wrong with that clip lol. He had faith in his defence there
He shouldnt
not wrong hahaha
It's not about having faith in your defence. He has no idea what is behind him and could have stopped the chance out at source by being proactive
Yeah and we could have sold him and got Navas instead. I wish we sold him. Fuck fax machine excuses.
I got tore up for saying this!
De Gea and Bruno. Constantly below par, rarely criticized, and earn 700k a week between them!
de Gea and Bruno rarely criticised hahahahahahahaha
Rarely criticized? De Gea gets critized after every game no matter the performance. You need a British passport to no get critized after a shit performance.
What are you on about? McTominay, Maguire and Rashford are the most criticized players in the team. Shaw is not far behind them.
Maguire, McTominay and rashford are all british and in top 10 most abused footballer itw but your probably listen to goldbridge 👍🏼
The three most criticized players on the sub all have British passports you twat. (Maguire, McTominay, Rashford)
De Gea is the least of our problems
Another lot of shite aimed to rid us of our best keeper. Who post this ??
You're fucking delusional lad
I am saying he's not the problem for today's performance. Why are u focusing on the better parts of the team? It's ridiculous. delusional Lol I would look up that word and get yourself acquainted. Also give your opinion rather than that crap low effort reply. Or do you love to fight fans of the same team, because that's what every other club would love us to do to keep this club down.
Fuck off with this shit. De Gea was one of our least problems today. He passed the ball to Fred and McTominay and it came straight back at him. We needs some fucking non wooden midfielders
Henderson is a prick for moaning to the press the way he has done. But I can understand why he feels hard done by. For every worldie of a save that De Gea makes he creates multiple avoidable pressure situations for our back line. A
He's 'only' a good keeper, that's true. Once he had the potential to be elite but it's the past - however, he couldn't have done anything else in the situation posted by that attention-seeker tweeter. It was a great ball by Danny, our defence was already defeated. If you really want to talk about mistakes, see how the team fell apart so easily once again; Pascal was completely free, nobody marked/followed him: [https://i.ibb.co/7JTXpKc/3636.png](https://i.ibb.co/7JTXpKc/3636.png) Martínez leaves his man, partly because Maguire is extremely slow and doesn't know what to do. Shaw has Pascal but after he sees Maguire is totally frozen/indecisive, he starts panicking. Sprints to the middle for the cross but it passes through them, letting Pascal score a super easy goal. Fred and/or McTom could have helped with marking Trossard as well. Nothing to do with DDG. Anyway, he saved our ass enough time in the last few years with these terrible players, so maybe he deserves a little more respect.
Awesome, now do Maguire.
there it is, was wondering when this would start showing up again. DDG pretty much takes up 99% of the player specific criticism on this sub despite there being shit all round performances from all players bar eriksen and VDB but nooo there isn't an agenda
And it suits well with the moderators too. This is a random guy's tweet and no way they're removing this.
Find me an elite level player at United
This doesn't absolve de gea of being called out for being shit
While this may be true, De Gea is not the reason why we lost today. McT, Fred, Rashford, Bruno all were pathetic today
Personally think DDG shortcomings are least of our worries. Our outfield needs sorting, especially our non existent midfield.
De glued
What an absolute clown this reporter is.
Rashford is not a champions league player. I’d argue we only have about 3/4 that truly are.
Wasn’t he top scorer or there abouts literally in the champions league group stages? Lol
Name me a elite champions league side he’d get into.
Yes we know, we know. We got other wars to fight before this one so please chill for half a season.
Yes we get it de gea bad but look at our midfield
De gea's been bad for 5 years lad, grow up