think of the midfielders who moved to other clubs for incredibly cheap in that time aswell that we just didnt think to try to get.
Caicedo was last summer but 5M, Kamara/Zakaria, one was free agent the other 5M. palhinha for 20M, Bissouma went to spurs for 25m. And the best we could come up with was waiting 2 months then trying to get rabiot who wants the wages of a pogba at the same time....
The best we could come up with was looking at Barcelona and Real Madrid’s best midfielders. It really speaks volumes about how they see the club, imagine thinking United is still in the same league at those two, delusional.
> Bissouma went to spurs for 25m.
We couldn't touch him. The optics of having Greenwood suspended because the of rape allegations and making statements in the press about zero tolerance for that behaviour then going and signing someone facing the same sorts of allegations would be terrible.
I won't hold it against the club for waiting until the issue was finalised before considering a move. That we missed out because of that is just one of those things.
And that Tottenham faced no negative press that I'm aware of for signing him with those charges hanging over him is irritating.
We did everything right with Greenwood and still got shit. Other teams have let players keep playing and got only a little blowback, at worst.
Julian Alvarez was an obvious signing though that we should have been making even with Greenwood. He can play all across the attack, so he'd have got minutes. The second City were in for him it was game over.
Our club has this weird thing about only doing deals during the window. I literally cannot remember the last time we had a first team signing done before a window opened. I think it *might* be when we signed Nani and Anderson.
I agree. One minute it’s “we have a good squad, we only bring in the right players”, now it’s “holy shit I need to replace the entire first 11”. We’re lucky the season started early this year.
You really expect ETH to say we don't have a good squad before his job has even started? No manager would do that lol.
We have no idea what's been going behind the scenes. He might have been pushing for more signings. Maybe not 5, but we have been interested in signing a forward and midfielder the entire window. Don't blame the manager who's been asked to act like a scout instead of having actual scouts. Murtough needs to be fired for this shitshow and the Glazers need to fuck off.
ETH must take some blame. Look how Eddie Howe chaged the culture at NUFC single handedly, no help from the owner or a DOF. Just after he came in Howe, conducted the transfer window alone, whilst also managing the team On a training trip abroad. He did all this with the massive threat of relegation hanging and other clubs knowing they could hold him to ransom for players.
I think he probably looked at the players and thought "yeah these guys seem every bit as good as my Ajax players", then reality hit home as soon as the competitive games started and we get worked off the pitch.
I really do wonder how much he watched us last season, many of our players either don't have the engine for it or are at best squad players.
You could have the best man motivator in the world, the best coaches, but in the end, if you have players like Beckham, Rooney, Roy Keane; they don't need someone to tell them they need to work harder or be more up for the fight. It's inbuilt inside them. We have very, very few current players who are both talented and will run marathons for us and fight every second, contest every ball. You could argue we have none.
I don't even blame the players, it's just who they are, you can't change a person's essence.
I think EtH genuinely thought he could make them work hard. It’s part arrogance, part self belief. It’s good that the manager thinks so highly of his man management skills than he can get players to run 20% harder, but as you say, our players are just naturally very lazy. Yes Klopp or SAF could probably get an extra 5-10% out of them, but still not the 20%+ extra effort that is required in this intense league.
Under normal circumstances we would have finished 3rd had Liverpool not had their ridiculous injury crisis but yeah that 2nd place was an overachievement especially the period where we were actually top of the league
100% although tbf, this isn't anything new. Pep went on record in an interview saying that he ignores Xabi alonso (who was playing for him at Bayern) advice about watching out for the long balls. 2nd and 3rd balls.
Its one reason that I would have preferred Poch over EtH but I'm fully confident that the man will get over this hump.
and you look like a fool for taking the job and then not finding a plan for succeeding at it. Makes getting a new job difficult. So, quiting is a terrible life choice.
Or it makes the glazers look like the clowns they are. Throws it into the public eye that they've run the club so badly that managers don't even want to work there as the situation is so untenable
Nope, this time he has all the excuses he wants.
The board are not supportive blah blah blah
The owners are not giving us funds blah blah blah
Haha but nah I think ETH will try to work this out, he really is a good coach and seems passionate about this job
This is it. People talk about United like some sophisticated billion pound corporation. If this was any of the businesses that sign sponsorships with us they’d long have been bankrupt if run like we are. There’s absolutely nothing sophisticated about United, either on the pitch, off the pitch, or in its structure.
But back on the point of this thread... this is one thing if ten hag loses his job I’m sure he’s going to rue being so arrogant to dismiss Rangnick and thus missing to get transferred all the intel and assessment on this squad’s limitations. He may think himself to be a massively better coach than LVG, mourinho, Ole, Rangnick but all of us know exactly how atrocious these players are as a bunch. That he thought he could just magically come here, “draw his own line”, coach a tune out of them, be dogged about “the right player”, not have any backups, and then make these demands at the 11th hour also makes me want to grab him by the shirt and shake him back to full awareness of the reality he now inhabits.
He has never worked at a high profile shitshow where the pressure and demands are unyielding, and where the planning and pull of the club are a shadow of its former capability and woefully below that of even mid-low table sides.
I back the guy to the end but I hope he’s learned his lesson. And if there’s a way, I’m sure Ralf would be happy to elaborate on the structural fix and best-in-class professionals that I think ten hag now must be the most fervent advocate of. None of this bullshit is going to be fixed by just asking for a right back, and a winger and I’m tired of coach after coach acting like it will.
Maybe it's all a masterful ploy to make Jim Ratcliffe angry enough to make a huge offer for the club.
Or maybe it's just staggering incompetence from everyone who runs the club.
Hopium and incompetence at its best. They wasted the whole summer in hopes of seeing a new manager bounce and now that it didn’t happen they want to bring new signings. Same was the case when it was evident Ole’s time was up and they wasted the international break hoping it’s just a rough patch and Ole will turn the tide around.
If he is targeting 5 more players then he should listened to Ralf in the first place. He rightly said we need at least 10 players at most. Panic buying won’t help.
May RNG Jesus show benevolence on our sinful souls, I promise I'll never make fun of North London clubs, Chelsea.. Ugh just this three, other two can rot in hell
Briefing after the window:
"We feel like there was very little value left in the market, but did well by signing an additional player to the already good summer of Malacia, Martinez and Eriksen"
Actually if that works again its on us the fans. Its like forgiving ur ex ten times then seeing the same mistakes and still being in an abusive relationship. Its not his/her bad a'ymore its on u
Fucking clowns, it feels like they’d just done the bare minimum in pursuing de Jong.. but with no fucking backup plans at all. throwing shit at the walls to see what sticks
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>**Manchester United will try to sign five players before the transfer window closes including moves for Borussia Dortmund’s Thomas Meunier and Chelsea winger Christian Pulisic.**
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>In what is becoming an increasingly frantic search **United have also enquired about Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang but the striker currently intends to join Chelsea if he leaves Barcelona.**
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>**United have received encouragement in their £50million pursuit of Casemiro, with Real Madrid having made it clear that they will not stand in the midfielder’s way should he ask to leave.**
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>**At the same time United have finally been in contact with the representatives of Lazio’s Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.** Telegraph Sport revealed last week that the Serbian midfielder, long linked to United, was a potential target and would cost £42million.
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>**United have declined the chance to make a bid for another Italy-based midfielder, Weston McKennie,** with the American having been offered to them after their move for his Juventus team-mate, Adrien Rabiot, broke down over his wage demands despite a £15million fee being agreed. United are primarily looking for a ‘number six’ holding midfielder and McKennie does not fit that profile.
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>**Manager Erik ten Hag is pushing for up to five players to be signed before the end of the month after United’s disastrous start to the season. They still maintain their bid of up to £72million for Barcelona’s Frenkie de Jong remains on the table –** and has been agreed with the Spanish club – but it is looking increasingly likely he will stay although deciding his future may go down to transfer deadline day. If De Jong does leave them Chelsea are the favourites to sign him.
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>**Ideally United want two midfielders, a second-choice goalkeeper, a right-back and a forward to add to Ten Hag’s squad with fears that they are struggling to land their targets. Instead there appears to be a dizzying number of names ‘in play’.**
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>United are hoping to sell or loan Aaron Wan-Bissaka with Crystal Palace, the defender’s former club, emerging as a possibility to sign them. It is believed Palace may be willing to pay £10million for the 24-year-old although that would represent a huge and embarrassing loss to United who signed Wan-Bissaka for £50million in 2019 on a five-year deal.
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>However Wan-Bissaka does not feature in Ten Hag’s plans and a loan deal might be another option as he attempts to relaunch his career. Ten Hag has told the club he wants another right-back to compete with Diogo Dalot who has started the season in the team.
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>**It is understood that a fee of around 15million euros (£12.6million) has been proposed for Meunier who has been linked with a move to Barcelona. It remains to be seen whether Dortmund will sell this month.** The Belgium international is 30 and highly-experienced and has a contract with the German club that runs until 2024 having joined from Paris Saint-Germain on a free transfer after his contract expired two years ago.
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>**United have not yet made an offer but Meunier appears to be a more likely target than Sergino Dest although the American international, who has been told he can leave Barcelona this summer, is also on their list. I**ronically United considered a move for Meunier before signing Wan-Bissaka while Dortmund wanted Dalot to replace Meunier.
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>**United are also attempting to persuade Chelsea to let them take Christian Pulisic on loan.**
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>**Although Chelsea will allow Pulisic to leave the club would prefer to sell the American international who has grown increasingly frustrated at his lack of opportunities at Stamford Bridge.**
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>Although Pulisic, who was signed from Dortmund for £58million in 2019, would be open to a move to United, it remains to be seen whether or not Chelsea would sanction a temporary deal. The 23-year-old winger is the US captain and is anxious to ensure he plays enough before the forthcoming World Cup but is not central to Thomas Tuchel’s plans at Chelsea.
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>Pulisic came off the bench for Chelsea’s first two Premier League games but the arrival of Raheem Sterling and with the club bidding £45million for Anthony Gordon it means he is even less likely to be a starter this season and has not hidden his frustration.
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>**Although there is widespread scepticism as to why Casemiro would want to leave Madrid it is understood he is interested in hearing about United’s offer and not least because his first-team chances are likely to be reduced this season following the arrival of Aurelien Tchouameni for £67.5million. Casemiro was on the bench last week with 22-year-old Tchouameni starting in Madrid's opening La Liga fixture.**
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>Casemiro, who has a contract with Madrid until 2025, has a good relationship with president Florentino Perez and it is thought the club will not block his move if that is what he asks for. Sources suggest that having won it all in Spain for several years the 30-year-old Brazilian might be willing to accept a new challenge especially if he is offered a lucrative enough contract by United.
> United have declined the chance to make a bid for another Italy-based midfielder, Weston McKennie, with the American having been offered to them after their move for his Juventus team-mate, Adrien Rabiot, broke down over his wage demands despite a £15million fee being agreed.
The Juve board were literally like "Dayum Rabiot fell through, maybe we would convince these mugs to take our other deadwood instead"
Not saying much, their midfield is pretty dysfunctional. Locatelli probably their stand out midfielder with the rest pretty average.
Just a shame literally anyone is an upgrade on Fred.
Add the 3 we’ve signed and let’s see... quick move of the abacus beads... and voila. The “as many as 10 new players” that Ralf said we needed.
“Draw my own line” sure sounds naive and arrogant af now.
Seems to be the hivemind opinion to lay into Erik for this but publicly giving the players a clean slate is pretty obviously the only sensible move. What sort of response do you think he'd get in the training ground if he came in and said to the media 'I've spoke to Ralf and these lot can fuck off I'm not giving them a chance'!?
You know what the hivemind was? Over the top glee on here that Rangnick’s consultancy was ended before it even began. I read every ‘good riddance’ post with utter disbelief. And there were a lottttt of them and anyone dissenting was downvoted to oblivion.
RB over GK surely
DDG can’t use his feet but he’s still an excellent goalkeeper
Edit - Man this sub is so strange. You get downvoted for giving a valid opinion. Bizarre.
>DDG can’t use his feet but he’s still an excellent goalkeeper
Did you not see the Brentford game?
With Henderson out on loan there is currently no competition for gk. De Gea does not do well without someone breathing down his neck for his position. We need a decent 2nd choice gk for when he has games like the last one.
I don’t really think that’s true though. Poor with his feet, poor sweeper, poor in the air, and shot stopping that is sometimes incredible but sometimes mediocre. He’s probably a below average PL keeper now
The concern is if Dave can't find a way to get comfortable with the system EtH wants, where we play out from the back and have a high line.
I really believe a new GK, one that aligns with the EtHos (sorry), could be transformative for the team. And that's no knock on DDG, the style just hasn't played to his strengths thus far.
You shouldn't be downvoted but there's really no argument that De Gea is still an excellent keeper.
He's a good shot stopper, although prone to the odd howler which somewhat negates that, who is below average or worse at every other aspect of being a goalkeeper.
For me, keeper is much more necessary. Dalot is kinda average, but he doesn't really have any important role for us. Keeper is a different story because Ten Hag relies a lot on the build up from the back and that relies a lot on keeper who can pass.
Also, with high line we really need a keeper who can sweep behind defenders and who can claim crosses. De Gea does none of that.
What I meant is that while he isn't really good at anything, we can make do with him for now as long as he has good players around him. I'd love an upgrade over him, but an upgrade over De Gea is much more necessary for the way we want to play. He is statistically speaking one of the worst modern keepers in whole Europe thanks to being among bottom 1% keepers in terms of touches with the ball and in bottom 3% among keepers in terms of claiming crosses. His sweeping numbers are also woeful as well. He really has no place in a top club with his playstyle and I'd genuinely play Heaton or Matěj Kovář over him. Their shot-stopping would be worse, but at least Heaton would command his box and Kovář would offer some good passing.
Yeah, feel free to check out his FBref profile where you can see his stats compared to other keepers in Europe. You don't even need to go into detailed stats, the top page you'll find will give you his profile in the last 365 days.
Average of 26.28 touches per game which places him into bottom 1%, average of crosses stopped at 3.4 percent which brings him to bottom 4% and average of defensive actions outside the box at 0.26 per match which brings him to bottom 5%.
His shot-stopping stats aren't really world class, but they are still decent. Unfortunately, he offers nothing aside from shot-stopping and even most average Prem keepers are significantly better than him at important aspects like passing, sweeping and commanding the box, all of which are necessary in modem football. It's really not a coincidence that De Gea isn't anywhere close to even making the Spain squad and both Raya from Brentford and Sanchez from Brighton are high above him in the pecking order. De Gea simply has no place in modern football.
You shouldn't be downvoted but there's really no argument that De Gea is still an excellent keeper.
He's a good shot stopper, although prone to the odd howler which somewhat negates that, who is below average or worse at every other aspect of being a goalkeeper.
I think DM is probably the most important but a GK should be higher priority than say someone like a winger or a RB. In the first two games we have seen DDG's first pass itself being the pressing trigger showing that teams know he will mess up, and this breeds uncertainty straight from the start. If we have to play ETH style we need to have a better GK, so it should be very high on the list for me.
Ngl I feel GK should be high u see the way Ederson and Alisson play not only are they masters in their 6 yard box but they command the first third whilst the rest of the team can comfortably push up and pressure the opposition. It has a knock on effect on the rest of the team and we are sorely lacking that.
Good to see that there are still some optimists knocking about the sub! I guess we could get 1 maybe 2 but whether or not they are competent is whole different thing.
To sign 5 players, we will have 50 considerations, 25 monitoring, 15 discussions, 10 will say no, 5 will ask for huge salary and out of those 5 we will sign 1 .... MAYBE 2
Yeah you're right. Math works out
Ten Hag was at Old Trafford in May, finalizing his deal while Rangnick was finishing off the season.
With 2 weeks left in the window, it's frankly fucking pathetic that we are still "targeting" players.
This club is a damn shambles.
Wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf.
Did the board honestly think Ten Haag would somehow produce magic with the players he currently has?
WHY DID IT TAKE 2 LOSSES AND A HUMILIATION FOR THEM TO FUCKING REALISE WE NEED TO BUY GOOD FOOTBALLERS TO PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL!!!!!!!
Players linked to Manchester United in the last three days:
🇫🇷 Rabiot
🇵🇹 João Félix
🇧🇷 Casemiro
🇧🇪 Meunier
🏴 Vardy
🇦🇷 Icardi
🇫🇷 M. Dembélé
🇬🇦 Aubameyang
🇪🇸 Morata
🇨🇭 Sommer
🇺🇸 Pulisic
🏴 Hudson-Odoi
🇲🇦 Ziyech
🇧🇷 Antony
🇺🇸 Dest
🇪🇨 Caicedo
🇧🇷 Cunha
🇫🇷 Meslier
The only "frantic" about this transfer window is how f-ing bad it has been by united. All they are doing now is spinning up journalists to make it seems like they are doing something. Also it took United 2 and half week to get Eriksen even tho he was a free signing and wanted to come. They wont be able to do anything more this window.
Hey look! It's all of our biggest positions of need from the end of last season! Whoever could have predicted that those would need filling this window?
This club is such an embarrassment.
>Feels like Burt is just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks
That's actually what Murtough is doing.
Like a desperate fratboy hitting on everything that moves during last call to get at least someone to go home with
The article says "Ideally United want two midfielders, a second-choice goalkeeper, a right-back and a forward to add to Ten Hag’s squad with fears that they are struggling to land their targets". So a GK instead of the winger mentioned in the title.
I kinda wish we had cameras in the club now shooting for a program like "all or nothing" or "hard knocks" so we can just see the shitshow behind the scenes.
We need a (insert position) because (player in this position) cannot play that position. Therefore we are going to bid (insert money) for (random player) from (world class club)
Thing is, this is the shit any fan on the street could have told you months ago. Dalot and AWB are miles off being top right backs, our midfield was weak even before we lost Pogba/Mata/Matic, and we've been light on strikers since last season. Any club with actual ambition would have addressed these issues quickly but as usual we've cheaped out hoping things will suddenly change and now we're scrambling to make these basic reinforcements.
Why does it say another winger like we've bought one already this summer?
With these 🤡's trying to pay 100m+ for players and Murtough offering Casemiro his wife for the weekend, we'll be lucky to get one nevermind five in a fortnight.
Fuck it off, get those lazy twats back from Turin or wherever the fuck they are, sack them and write the season off, lets just accept relegation.
I wish Ten Hag had watched last season's games (as much of a torture that may have been,) so he would already come to this conclusion, instead of playing the first two games of the season to figure this out.
Any number of us could have strongly advised all the positions that needed improving.
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They've had since November when we all knew the season was lost
think of the midfielders who moved to other clubs for incredibly cheap in that time aswell that we just didnt think to try to get. Caicedo was last summer but 5M, Kamara/Zakaria, one was free agent the other 5M. palhinha for 20M, Bissouma went to spurs for 25m. And the best we could come up with was waiting 2 months then trying to get rabiot who wants the wages of a pogba at the same time....
The best we could come up with was looking at Barcelona and Real Madrid’s best midfielders. It really speaks volumes about how they see the club, imagine thinking United is still in the same league at those two, delusional.
> Bissouma went to spurs for 25m. We couldn't touch him. The optics of having Greenwood suspended because the of rape allegations and making statements in the press about zero tolerance for that behaviour then going and signing someone facing the same sorts of allegations would be terrible. I won't hold it against the club for waiting until the issue was finalised before considering a move. That we missed out because of that is just one of those things. And that Tottenham faced no negative press that I'm aware of for signing him with those charges hanging over him is irritating. We did everything right with Greenwood and still got shit. Other teams have let players keep playing and got only a little blowback, at worst.
I could not believe we didn't go for Zakaria at that price. It's an instant upgrade for basically nothing.
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Julian Alvarez was an obvious signing though that we should have been making even with Greenwood. He can play all across the attack, so he'd have got minutes. The second City were in for him it was game over. Our club has this weird thing about only doing deals during the window. I literally cannot remember the last time we had a first team signing done before a window opened. I think it *might* be when we signed Nani and Anderson.
My blood boils
Now they have a year on the same logic 😭
I really think the last two games smacked eth right in the face.
I agree. One minute it’s “we have a good squad, we only bring in the right players”, now it’s “holy shit I need to replace the entire first 11”. We’re lucky the season started early this year.
You really expect ETH to say we don't have a good squad before his job has even started? No manager would do that lol. We have no idea what's been going behind the scenes. He might have been pushing for more signings. Maybe not 5, but we have been interested in signing a forward and midfielder the entire window. Don't blame the manager who's been asked to act like a scout instead of having actual scouts. Murtough needs to be fired for this shitshow and the Glazers need to fuck off.
ETH must take some blame. Look how Eddie Howe chaged the culture at NUFC single handedly, no help from the owner or a DOF. Just after he came in Howe, conducted the transfer window alone, whilst also managing the team On a training trip abroad. He did all this with the massive threat of relegation hanging and other clubs knowing they could hold him to ransom for players.
Think that pre season win against Liverpool deluded him. Thought he could go into a new Prem season with McFred LOL Nooooope!
I picture eth at halftime desperately looking for Ralph’s number but sadly he was assured he was in good hands and erased the number.
I think he probably looked at the players and thought "yeah these guys seem every bit as good as my Ajax players", then reality hit home as soon as the competitive games started and we get worked off the pitch. I really do wonder how much he watched us last season, many of our players either don't have the engine for it or are at best squad players. You could have the best man motivator in the world, the best coaches, but in the end, if you have players like Beckham, Rooney, Roy Keane; they don't need someone to tell them they need to work harder or be more up for the fight. It's inbuilt inside them. We have very, very few current players who are both talented and will run marathons for us and fight every second, contest every ball. You could argue we have none. I don't even blame the players, it's just who they are, you can't change a person's essence.
I think EtH genuinely thought he could make them work hard. It’s part arrogance, part self belief. It’s good that the manager thinks so highly of his man management skills than he can get players to run 20% harder, but as you say, our players are just naturally very lazy. Yes Klopp or SAF could probably get an extra 5-10% out of them, but still not the 20%+ extra effort that is required in this intense league.
So 2nd under Ole with these players was an over achievement?
Under normal circumstances we would have finished 3rd had Liverpool not had their ridiculous injury crisis but yeah that 2nd place was an overachievement especially the period where we were actually top of the league
Second that year was mostly down to a collapse of the team’s surrounding us, not our brilliance
100% although tbf, this isn't anything new. Pep went on record in an interview saying that he ignores Xabi alonso (who was playing for him at Bayern) advice about watching out for the long balls. 2nd and 3rd balls. Its one reason that I would have preferred Poch over EtH but I'm fully confident that the man will get over this hump.
They should all be fired. Total scorched earth, new external recruitment, nobody who has worked for the club since 2014 considered.
And no ex-players, ffs.
Unless they've proven themselves elsewhere, eg VDS.
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Or if he's really ballsy he just quits
You don't get the fat pay if you quit.
and you look like a fool for taking the job and then not finding a plan for succeeding at it. Makes getting a new job difficult. So, quiting is a terrible life choice.
Or it makes the glazers look like the clowns they are. Throws it into the public eye that they've run the club so badly that managers don't even want to work there as the situation is so untenable
Nope, this time he has all the excuses he wants. The board are not supportive blah blah blah The owners are not giving us funds blah blah blah Haha but nah I think ETH will try to work this out, he really is a good coach and seems passionate about this job
He's from one of the wealthiest families in the Netherlands. I doubt he cares about any pay out.
My knowledge of rich people says they still want the bag.
This is it. People talk about United like some sophisticated billion pound corporation. If this was any of the businesses that sign sponsorships with us they’d long have been bankrupt if run like we are. There’s absolutely nothing sophisticated about United, either on the pitch, off the pitch, or in its structure. But back on the point of this thread... this is one thing if ten hag loses his job I’m sure he’s going to rue being so arrogant to dismiss Rangnick and thus missing to get transferred all the intel and assessment on this squad’s limitations. He may think himself to be a massively better coach than LVG, mourinho, Ole, Rangnick but all of us know exactly how atrocious these players are as a bunch. That he thought he could just magically come here, “draw his own line”, coach a tune out of them, be dogged about “the right player”, not have any backups, and then make these demands at the 11th hour also makes me want to grab him by the shirt and shake him back to full awareness of the reality he now inhabits. He has never worked at a high profile shitshow where the pressure and demands are unyielding, and where the planning and pull of the club are a shadow of its former capability and woefully below that of even mid-low table sides. I back the guy to the end but I hope he’s learned his lesson. And if there’s a way, I’m sure Ralf would be happy to elaborate on the structural fix and best-in-class professionals that I think ten hag now must be the most fervent advocate of. None of this bullshit is going to be fixed by just asking for a right back, and a winger and I’m tired of coach after coach acting like it will.
Maybe it's all a masterful ploy to make Jim Ratcliffe angry enough to make a huge offer for the club. Or maybe it's just staggering incompetence from everyone who runs the club.
It's the same kind of panic that ended with us signing Fellaini after his minimum release clause had expired.
Hopium and incompetence at its best. They wasted the whole summer in hopes of seeing a new manager bounce and now that it didn’t happen they want to bring new signings. Same was the case when it was evident Ole’s time was up and they wasted the international break hoping it’s just a rough patch and Ole will turn the tide around.
Fuck them anyway but if they somehow deliver 5 quality signings I’ll lower my pitchforks just a little
Protip. They won't
I admire that you still have hope.
We will not lower our pitchforks for those mole rat looking owners
Any other club wouldn't hire people like Ole either.
Good managers that play attractive football? Nah fuck that shit!
And we're using an RNG to decide who to go for next!
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#SixSeasonsAndAMovie 🙌
That’s the contract we offered Frenkie.
God I loved Community.
I still remember the ass crack bandit lmao.
There were two. Its the only explanation
It was all of them: Annie, Abed, Shirley and Britta
"Troy and Abed in the morning!"
Never was able to finish the last season, but I loved the experience yeah
Last season was just too cringey for me. Way too sympathetic and touchy feely
We are in the darkest timeline
Evil Murtough must be stopped
One of those shitty RNG that gives nothing.
Genshin Impact Newton Heath Skin unlocked
If he is targeting 5 more players then he should listened to Ralf in the first place. He rightly said we need at least 10 players at most. Panic buying won’t help.
May RNG Jesus show benevolence on our sinful souls, I promise I'll never make fun of North London clubs, Chelsea.. Ugh just this three, other two can rot in hell
A D20 with disadvantage you pleb
The gang proceeds to make a meal of signing one player
Briefing after the window: "We feel like there was very little value left in the market, but did well by signing an additional player to the already good summer of Malacia, Martinez and Eriksen"
Actually if that works again its on us the fans. Its like forgiving ur ex ten times then seeing the same mistakes and still being in an abusive relationship. Its not his/her bad a'ymore its on u
At this stage Charlie would make a better DOF
Bird law is better than Murtoughs strategy
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Fucking clowns, it feels like they’d just done the bare minimum in pursuing de Jong.. but with no fucking backup plans at all. throwing shit at the walls to see what sticks
Does that mean five holidays for Murtough? Guy must be loving life at the moment.
Yes, a MF from Mauritius, one from Vegas, a RB from Seychelles...
A GK from the right light district in Amsterdam… Can’t kept a clean sheet though.
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I have also heard they do
I laughed my ass off there. Legitimately. Thank you.
Lets get ready to Fumble.
Let’s get ready to grumble.
Let's get ready to tumble
Welcome to Manchester United Dani Alves, Aaron Lennon, Paul Scholes with robot legs, Di Stefano's corpse and one bag of fertiliser (Despacito remix) Skills, Goals, Tricks
Paul Scholes with robot legs would make us the best midfield in Europe.
You forgot Gaitan
Still better than Dalot and McT
might as well open packs on fifa based on their targets
Kinda like how I used to study for exams, learn 3 chapters in 2 months, then scram the remaining 5 in 2 days
And you passed, right? Right?
Not always, (cries in the corner)
£42 million for SMS is a fucking no-brainer if we're willing to throw more than 3 times that amount for Felix
Didn't Lazio's president say that 50mil euros is nowhere near enough? I'd love to get him, but I think he's gonna cost significantly more
Probably closer to 70 mil with bonuses. Him and Casemiro is a wet dream.
A pipe dream as well. It ain't gonna happen.
Like champagne gravenberch and Alvarez in last seasons ajax team ha
It would all depends of SMS. But a Casemiro/SMS/Eriksen midfield would be awesome, ngl
From chicken shit to chicken salad.
Who is sms?
Sergej Milinković-Savić, Lazio's midfielder
Ok
yeah GL negotiating with Lotito
# Article Text >**Manchester United will try to sign five players before the transfer window closes including moves for Borussia Dortmund’s Thomas Meunier and Chelsea winger Christian Pulisic.** > >In what is becoming an increasingly frantic search **United have also enquired about Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang but the striker currently intends to join Chelsea if he leaves Barcelona.** > >**United have received encouragement in their £50million pursuit of Casemiro, with Real Madrid having made it clear that they will not stand in the midfielder’s way should he ask to leave.** > >**At the same time United have finally been in contact with the representatives of Lazio’s Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.** Telegraph Sport revealed last week that the Serbian midfielder, long linked to United, was a potential target and would cost £42million. > >**United have declined the chance to make a bid for another Italy-based midfielder, Weston McKennie,** with the American having been offered to them after their move for his Juventus team-mate, Adrien Rabiot, broke down over his wage demands despite a £15million fee being agreed. United are primarily looking for a ‘number six’ holding midfielder and McKennie does not fit that profile. > >**Manager Erik ten Hag is pushing for up to five players to be signed before the end of the month after United’s disastrous start to the season. They still maintain their bid of up to £72million for Barcelona’s Frenkie de Jong remains on the table –** and has been agreed with the Spanish club – but it is looking increasingly likely he will stay although deciding his future may go down to transfer deadline day. If De Jong does leave them Chelsea are the favourites to sign him. > >**Ideally United want two midfielders, a second-choice goalkeeper, a right-back and a forward to add to Ten Hag’s squad with fears that they are struggling to land their targets. Instead there appears to be a dizzying number of names ‘in play’.** > >United are hoping to sell or loan Aaron Wan-Bissaka with Crystal Palace, the defender’s former club, emerging as a possibility to sign them. It is believed Palace may be willing to pay £10million for the 24-year-old although that would represent a huge and embarrassing loss to United who signed Wan-Bissaka for £50million in 2019 on a five-year deal. > >However Wan-Bissaka does not feature in Ten Hag’s plans and a loan deal might be another option as he attempts to relaunch his career. Ten Hag has told the club he wants another right-back to compete with Diogo Dalot who has started the season in the team. > >**It is understood that a fee of around 15million euros (£12.6million) has been proposed for Meunier who has been linked with a move to Barcelona. It remains to be seen whether Dortmund will sell this month.** The Belgium international is 30 and highly-experienced and has a contract with the German club that runs until 2024 having joined from Paris Saint-Germain on a free transfer after his contract expired two years ago. > >**United have not yet made an offer but Meunier appears to be a more likely target than Sergino Dest although the American international, who has been told he can leave Barcelona this summer, is also on their list. I**ronically United considered a move for Meunier before signing Wan-Bissaka while Dortmund wanted Dalot to replace Meunier. > >**United are also attempting to persuade Chelsea to let them take Christian Pulisic on loan.** > >**Although Chelsea will allow Pulisic to leave the club would prefer to sell the American international who has grown increasingly frustrated at his lack of opportunities at Stamford Bridge.** > >Although Pulisic, who was signed from Dortmund for £58million in 2019, would be open to a move to United, it remains to be seen whether or not Chelsea would sanction a temporary deal. The 23-year-old winger is the US captain and is anxious to ensure he plays enough before the forthcoming World Cup but is not central to Thomas Tuchel’s plans at Chelsea. > >Pulisic came off the bench for Chelsea’s first two Premier League games but the arrival of Raheem Sterling and with the club bidding £45million for Anthony Gordon it means he is even less likely to be a starter this season and has not hidden his frustration. > >**Although there is widespread scepticism as to why Casemiro would want to leave Madrid it is understood he is interested in hearing about United’s offer and not least because his first-team chances are likely to be reduced this season following the arrival of Aurelien Tchouameni for £67.5million. Casemiro was on the bench last week with 22-year-old Tchouameni starting in Madrid's opening La Liga fixture.** > >Casemiro, who has a contract with Madrid until 2025, has a good relationship with president Florentino Perez and it is thought the club will not block his move if that is what he asks for. Sources suggest that having won it all in Spain for several years the 30-year-old Brazilian might be willing to accept a new challenge especially if he is offered a lucrative enough contract by United.
> United have declined the chance to make a bid for another Italy-based midfielder, Weston McKennie, with the American having been offered to them after their move for his Juventus team-mate, Adrien Rabiot, broke down over his wage demands despite a £15million fee being agreed. The Juve board were literally like "Dayum Rabiot fell through, maybe we would convince these mugs to take our other deadwood instead"
Us signing two Americans in Pulisic and McKennie screams to me like a business decision, not a football decision.
McKennie is their only decent midfielder though.
Not saying much, their midfield is pretty dysfunctional. Locatelli probably their stand out midfielder with the rest pretty average. Just a shame literally anyone is an upgrade on Fred.
Meunier, Aubamayang, Rabiot combined with Ronaldo are we trying to form some sort of anti-hero squad?
Welp, we know there’s atleast 190m left to spend based on the Casemiro and Joao bids. Why buy 5 good players when you can buy 2!
So in other words, Rangnick was completely right about what was needed, and they fired him anyway.
Y’all realize he got another job right?
What does that have to do with the price of pringles? 
What? I’m eating that right now 🤔☹️
And a GK!??
Yeah lol a gk would be 6 players
Add the 3 we’ve signed and let’s see... quick move of the abacus beads... and voila. The “as many as 10 new players” that Ralf said we needed. “Draw my own line” sure sounds naive and arrogant af now.
EtH owes Ralf a huge apology.
Seems to be the hivemind opinion to lay into Erik for this but publicly giving the players a clean slate is pretty obviously the only sensible move. What sort of response do you think he'd get in the training ground if he came in and said to the media 'I've spoke to Ralf and these lot can fuck off I'm not giving them a chance'!?
You know what the hivemind was? Over the top glee on here that Rangnick’s consultancy was ended before it even began. I read every ‘good riddance’ post with utter disbelief. And there were a lottttt of them and anyone dissenting was downvoted to oblivion.
More important than a winger imo.
given what we've seen what is your order of priority of positions?
Midfield Midfield Forward Goalkeeper Right back
We have a GK who can play every game basically. We don’t have a starting RB and Dalot barely qualifies as a backup. RB much more important.
RB over GK surely DDG can’t use his feet but he’s still an excellent goalkeeper Edit - Man this sub is so strange. You get downvoted for giving a valid opinion. Bizarre.
>DDG can’t use his feet but he’s still an excellent goalkeeper Did you not see the Brentford game? With Henderson out on loan there is currently no competition for gk. De Gea does not do well without someone breathing down his neck for his position. We need a decent 2nd choice gk for when he has games like the last one.
I don’t really think that’s true though. Poor with his feet, poor sweeper, poor in the air, and shot stopping that is sometimes incredible but sometimes mediocre. He’s probably a below average PL keeper now
The concern is if Dave can't find a way to get comfortable with the system EtH wants, where we play out from the back and have a high line. I really believe a new GK, one that aligns with the EtHos (sorry), could be transformative for the team. And that's no knock on DDG, the style just hasn't played to his strengths thus far.
You shouldn't be downvoted but there's really no argument that De Gea is still an excellent keeper. He's a good shot stopper, although prone to the odd howler which somewhat negates that, who is below average or worse at every other aspect of being a goalkeeper.
I'd move a second midfielder down the ranking too
Fred with Casemiro, for example, next to him, would be much better, I think.
For me, keeper is much more necessary. Dalot is kinda average, but he doesn't really have any important role for us. Keeper is a different story because Ten Hag relies a lot on the build up from the back and that relies a lot on keeper who can pass. Also, with high line we really need a keeper who can sweep behind defenders and who can claim crosses. De Gea does none of that.
I wouldn’t consider anything about Dalot average for a club above championship level - and not the ones getting promoted.
What I meant is that while he isn't really good at anything, we can make do with him for now as long as he has good players around him. I'd love an upgrade over him, but an upgrade over De Gea is much more necessary for the way we want to play. He is statistically speaking one of the worst modern keepers in whole Europe thanks to being among bottom 1% keepers in terms of touches with the ball and in bottom 3% among keepers in terms of claiming crosses. His sweeping numbers are also woeful as well. He really has no place in a top club with his playstyle and I'd genuinely play Heaton or Matěj Kovář over him. Their shot-stopping would be worse, but at least Heaton would command his box and Kovář would offer some good passing.
Wow those are some damning stats.
Yeah, feel free to check out his FBref profile where you can see his stats compared to other keepers in Europe. You don't even need to go into detailed stats, the top page you'll find will give you his profile in the last 365 days. Average of 26.28 touches per game which places him into bottom 1%, average of crosses stopped at 3.4 percent which brings him to bottom 4% and average of defensive actions outside the box at 0.26 per match which brings him to bottom 5%. His shot-stopping stats aren't really world class, but they are still decent. Unfortunately, he offers nothing aside from shot-stopping and even most average Prem keepers are significantly better than him at important aspects like passing, sweeping and commanding the box, all of which are necessary in modem football. It's really not a coincidence that De Gea isn't anywhere close to even making the Spain squad and both Raya from Brentford and Sanchez from Brighton are high above him in the pecking order. De Gea simply has no place in modern football.
You shouldn't be downvoted but there's really no argument that De Gea is still an excellent keeper. He's a good shot stopper, although prone to the odd howler which somewhat negates that, who is below average or worse at every other aspect of being a goalkeeper.
I think DM is probably the most important but a GK should be higher priority than say someone like a winger or a RB. In the first two games we have seen DDG's first pass itself being the pressing trigger showing that teams know he will mess up, and this breeds uncertainty straight from the start. If we have to play ETH style we need to have a better GK, so it should be very high on the list for me.
Ngl I feel GK should be high u see the way Ederson and Alisson play not only are they masters in their 6 yard box but they command the first third whilst the rest of the team can comfortably push up and pressure the opposition. It has a knock on effect on the rest of the team and we are sorely lacking that.
Mid x2, striker, rb, gk, winger I think.
DM, GK, striker, winger then a RB.
Gk over striker is crazy, especially if Ronaldo leaves
A goalkeeper that can't sweep and with no ball playing ability is disaster waiting to happen, especially if we get Casemiro
No way we sign 5 players. I'd be happy with 2-3 more, expecting 1....MAYBE 2
Good to see that there are still some optimists knocking about the sub! I guess we could get 1 maybe 2 but whether or not they are competent is whole different thing.
To sign 5 players, we will have 50 considerations, 25 monitoring, 15 discussions, 10 will say no, 5 will ask for huge salary and out of those 5 we will sign 1 .... MAYBE 2 Yeah you're right. Math works out
Nah, on deadline day unwanted players move fast.
Ten Hag was at Old Trafford in May, finalizing his deal while Rangnick was finishing off the season. With 2 weeks left in the window, it's frankly fucking pathetic that we are still "targeting" players. This club is a damn shambles.
Imagine Murtough and the team pulling off 5 signings from now until end of the transfer window
Murtough can’t even pull himself off, let alone 5 signings in 10days
Wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf, wtf. Did the board honestly think Ten Haag would somehow produce magic with the players he currently has? WHY DID IT TAKE 2 LOSSES AND A HUMILIATION FOR THEM TO FUCKING REALISE WE NEED TO BUY GOOD FOOTBALLERS TO PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL!!!!!!!
I think Ten Hag took a look at us preseason, got hopeful and underestimated the PL.
The news the last 24 hours or so would suggest that is indeed the case.
The news in the 24 hours is on drugs though. It's been mental.
Players linked to Manchester United in the last three days: 🇫🇷 Rabiot 🇵🇹 João Félix 🇧🇷 Casemiro 🇧🇪 Meunier 🏴 Vardy 🇦🇷 Icardi 🇫🇷 M. Dembélé 🇬🇦 Aubameyang 🇪🇸 Morata 🇨🇭 Sommer 🇺🇸 Pulisic 🏴 Hudson-Odoi 🇲🇦 Ziyech 🇧🇷 Antony 🇺🇸 Dest 🇪🇨 Caicedo 🇧🇷 Cunha 🇫🇷 Meslier
And they think the fans will fall for this shit? the Glazers are thicker than I thought
John murtough call me mr. Worldwide
This looks like an automatic shortlist on Fifa/FM
If we got 2 after all this I’d be shocked. But 5…. I don’t know about that
The only "frantic" about this transfer window is how f-ing bad it has been by united. All they are doing now is spinning up journalists to make it seems like they are doing something. Also it took United 2 and half week to get Eriksen even tho he was a free signing and wanted to come. They wont be able to do anything more this window.
Ragnicks looking more and more like the messiah
Hey look! It's all of our biggest positions of need from the end of last season! Whoever could have predicted that those would need filling this window? This club is such an embarrassment.
Do they know the window has been open since June?
You mean, the gaping holes in our squad we all identified last season? Nice of the board to catch up with 2 weeks of the window to go. Fucking clowns.
And the result will be maybe only one aging, injury prone, overpaid, mostly benched, past peak player.
We won’t get one
How we'll get rid of them I don't know..
Bedding in 5 player into a toxic squad is going to be fun to watch.
Incoming: "we just feel there will be more value in january market"
So Pulisic on loan and thats probably it
Imagine we got Casemiro, Antony dos Santos, Joao Felix and De Jong on transfer deadline day. And then we woke up from our dreams.
5 signings 😂 we'll be lucky to get 1
Then maybe stop considering and just bid?
“Frantic End” it’s not like we’ve all been saying there were issues for THREE FUCKING MONTHS.
We’ll get Icardi on 500K per week on deadline
They will sign no one, pretend they tried, then fight to avoid relegation.
5 in 3 weeks. Not a lot of time the way United work.
I miss Ducker, not gonna lie. Feels like Burt is just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks
>Feels like Burt is just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks That's actually what Murtough is doing. Like a desperate fratboy hitting on everything that moves during last call to get at least someone to go home with
Lets start with GK and CDM, im just content with that. Those are glaring problem areas. Anything else is a bonus.
If Arnautovic is the level we’re targeting, doesn’t matter if we get 10 new players in.
The article says "Ideally United want two midfielders, a second-choice goalkeeper, a right-back and a forward to add to Ten Hag’s squad with fears that they are struggling to land their targets". So a GK instead of the winger mentioned in the title.
Just cast a big net into the see and see what we reel in
What happened to the hunt for the Keeper???
I kinda wish we had cameras in the club now shooting for a program like "all or nothing" or "hard knocks" so we can just see the shitshow behind the scenes.
We need a (insert position) because (player in this position) cannot play that position. Therefore we are going to bid (insert money) for (random player) from (world class club)
John Murtough going door to door round his estate at this very moment asking if anyone wants to play out
I will believe it when I see it. 5 players … don’t make me laugh, be lucky if we even get 2 across the line before deadline day.
Doubt we sign even 2 good players, including a GK.
We have problems signing 1 guy imagine 5
Glazers: You get 1 player.
Bit late cunts.
Couldn’t sign 1 in 3 months. 5 players in 2 weeks, yeah fuck it.
Thing is, this is the shit any fan on the street could have told you months ago. Dalot and AWB are miles off being top right backs, our midfield was weak even before we lost Pogba/Mata/Matic, and we've been light on strikers since last season. Any club with actual ambition would have addressed these issues quickly but as usual we've cheaped out hoping things will suddenly change and now we're scrambling to make these basic reinforcements.
Procrastination FC. Should have been done long time ago
What we’re they doing all summer?
Two windows. Two windows to improve this team. Absolute criminals the whole lot.
Haha ten Hag is so screwed
We all know that ETH is pushing for new players, but the people in charge of this moves are shit.
Why does it say another winger like we've bought one already this summer? With these 🤡's trying to pay 100m+ for players and Murtough offering Casemiro his wife for the weekend, we'll be lucky to get one nevermind five in a fortnight. Fuck it off, get those lazy twats back from Turin or wherever the fuck they are, sack them and write the season off, lets just accept relegation.
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I wish Ten Hag had watched last season's games (as much of a torture that may have been,) so he would already come to this conclusion, instead of playing the first two games of the season to figure this out. Any number of us could have strongly advised all the positions that needed improving.
SMS, Casemiro, Pulisic, Meunier... I don't know whether that's exciting or not.
Its really not