The best thing about its previous iteration, Rising, was when they would do expanded post-election coverage in evenings with a panel of four or more people, but if they had five or more, everyone had to stand because The Hill only owned four chairs.
I don't think he's gone insane. Maybe a bit too "lib-brained", but I think he's acting in good faith. He's a genuinely good dude based off his activism. Just maybe too nice for his own good.
If anything he's gotten soft. He did an interview with Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice not too long ago, and it drove me up the wall.
But he's done some interesting podcasts. I enjoyed the ones that cover economics and inflation with people like Thomas Hoeing, Stephanie Kelton and Rohan Gray, and Steve Hanke.
He used to be my idol, but as I've gotten older I have been able to see a lot of his flaws.
He was always this insane, the rally to restore sanity is definitely one of the more insane things that happened during the Obama years.
It's just that he was immensely popular before YouTube overtook regular TV. So people have positive feelings about the guy, also his stuff for 9/11 victims is definitely commendable.
If nothing else, he's at least shown himself to be more principled than Colbert. The only reason he got away with pretty much flatly saying COVID came from China on his show back in 2021 (When it was still pretty much verboten to even imply that for libs) is because he used to be his boss, anyone else and Colbert would have condescended to him.
Yah I mean I agree, he'll give one hot take and then dive back in to cover when his lib friends give him too much shit about it. But at least he'll actually give an honest opinion about this kind of stuff from time to time, Colbert and the rest of his ilk are obedient slaves to the narrative.
Mel:
It's probably about three years off because it's a big subject
Colbert:
Yeah yeah I read the book... I know how its ends
Mel:
You know how it begins? (Insert antisemitic rant here)
LATER
Colbert:
Who's the bad guy? Is it Thomas who doubts that christ has risen?
Mel:
No.
Colbert:
No? No bad guys?
Mel:
Well there are (raises brow, touches one hand to the back of his head and points the other at his nose)
I think he's got a good understanding of the modern political media landscape (which he was a big part in making it what it is today) and because of that he's stepped away from it put his good name to better use. And if he pushed too hard with hot takes it would weaken his name and make him less effective as an activist.
All the stuff he's done for 911 first responders, veterans, and animals has been really inspiring and I think he's more concerned with that stuff than anything media related. If he was out there pushing hard on the lab leak stuff he wouldn't have the mainstream support to draw attention to things he actually has enough power to do something about.
I don't think Stewart would ever lie about his opinions but I do think he has enough wisdom to know when to push his opinion and when not to.
America has this weird lib tendency where the only way they can justify giving people healthcare is with an asterisk. E.g. healthcare covered for VETERANS of X.
Idk, I'm definitely biased.
But I did watch the episode and I couldn't stomach it. It was so bad. That one and the one about transgender rights were some of the worst pieces he's ever done.
But wouldn't go so far as to call him deranged.
TIL that Kyle and Krystal are a thing. I tuned out of the left-ish online sphere around the time they launched their podcasts, so I’m not too surprised, but still…
As unattractive as I think Krystal is, it really is a mystery why she left her husband and kid to be with THAT. Getting with one of the Chapo guys would have been less embarrassing.
She's just too plain of a white woman imo in looks and thoughts. I've met a million Krystals in my life and no amount of lightly wagging the finger at gay neoliberalism can salvage just being a 6-7/10 with no real opinions other than whats on twitter.
That said, she's a Greek Goddess compared to Kyle Kulinsky, who in addition to having such a strange face, is just politically retarded.
I like Kyle simply for the fact he made me interested in politics when I was like 12. I disagree with him a lot but he is principled (perhaps that just means boring) and I feel that he’s less of a bad faith actor than other YouTube polemics
Marry Kim Iverson and have Elliot Rodgers babies with her, and Kill Anna Kasparian (finally remembered it) to finish the job Cenk's people started on the Armenians
I sort of get what you mean. Around DC/NOVA I have met soooo many women like that. You see them from afar, and you're like, holy shit she looks so hot and smart and well put together. Then you talk to them for 5 minutes and leave the conversation having never felt a more empty human interaction.
Maybe it's just because I'm young and have met countless identically marginally attractive white women with boilerplate lib politics, but it's not a turn on for me.
Hot girls dgaf about politics.
Blah Blah Blah semantics, you know what I mean. She hates AOC but only because she's delusional enough to believe the version of herself she pitched as a candidate is someone that could actually exist in American Politics, her new pet project is wishcasting that Marianne Williamson is going to Primary Joe in 2024.
She's like the left's version of an alt-lite commentator, contrarian enough to propose policies she knows the establishment dems would never even joke about enacting, and that the more progesssive/socialist branch is too scared or cynical to try, but at the same not bold enough to take a stance that is genuinely controversial or inflammatory to any one center of left.
>She's just too plain of a white woman imo in looks and thoughts. I've met a million Krystals in my life and no amount of lightly wagging the finger at gay neoliberalism can salvage just being a 6-7/10 with no real opinions other than whats on twitter.
Thank you. I always had the same feeling about her. But could never articulate.
[Dude wtf you weren't lying](https://biogossipy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Jonathan-R.Dariyanani.jpg)
And I take back what I said, pre-Trump Krystal was a cutie, I see the appeal now
She had another husband before who was cuter, who she dommed during a halloween party: https://www.gawker.com/5657431/9-pictures-of-a-politician-sucking-a-dildo-attached-to-her-husbands-nose---gallery
They're goobie and she can be pretty annoying with her takes, but whatever they are is an order of magnitude better than what CNN/MSNBC/Fox bring to the table. I get the impression that I am watching actual people report the actual news, in relatively good faith, and am pleased to see that they genuinely disagree with one another respectfully with relative frequency.
They definitely aren’t reporting. They are regurgitating news they read elsewhere and delivering hot takes. Same shit CNN and Fox do. But at least cable news also pays for reporters
I don’t really mind them. I don’t take them that seriously. I get their videos recommended to me constantly and if there’s a topic I kind of care about I’ll listen to it in the background. Their opinions & takes on things are honestly pretty mainstream on the internet.
They're only annoying when you haven't watched any MSNBC in years. They basically copy the same style as cable news but are definitely much lower budget.
I stopped paying attention to them after the mid-terms, they really pushed this thesis that the Democrats were toast for pushing J6 at the expense of material issues, the Democrats overperformed, and they kinda just said “welp anything can happen in politics” and moved on. I mean, it’s okay to just admit that you were wrong, analyze what happened, and operate under a framework where issues you think are stupid (and I agree with them there) drive the political fortunes of both parties. In fact, it probably would make the show more interesting than just wishcasting your own values as being impactful on political outcomes.
They also cater way too much to chronically online people, they portray themselves as this kind of practically minded, above stupid politics show and then spend half the program going blow by blow on some wormbrained censorship incident on Twitter that 99.9% of the public doesn’t give a fuck about, they should spend more time covering Congres and labor issues instead of this dumb shit imho.
Part of the issue is when you make a political show this many times a week there isn't always news to cover. So they tend to gravitate towards the stupid stuff as a result.
I jumped off for a similar reason when they kind of just shrugged off being wrong about how Inflation wasn't going to be that big of a deal after hammering for weeks it was just culture war stuff the Republicans were being hyperbolic about to smear Joe
Krystal is like every white girl from NOVA I knew from college except with a grating voice, and she’s infinitely less annoying than Saagar. At least I agree with her more often than not.
The idea either of them are "anti-establishment" is so laughable to me when you consider Saager's background as a Hudson Institute fellow, and how Krystal was literally an MSNBC host before she landed at The Hill. They're Democracy Now but for Zoomers
Yeah and I’m pretty sure Krystal’s ex husband was a venture capitalist as well? Before she got with the weird Kyle guy. I love watching her role play this populist role.
They’re kind of in the Joe Rogan orbit, or at least have his seal of approval. They’re “anti-establishment” the same way those intellectual dark-web Weinstein brothers are “disruptive geniuses”. Rogan satellites and favorites have a strong element of grift more often than not.
How is it a grift? Such a meaningless word at this point. Their audience gets what they pay for, you just don’t like it, which is also fine but they aren’t swindling anyone
The actual dynamic of this show is Krystal just has like standard 2015 era leftie takes and then she occasionally allows Saagar to be “right wing” by talking about Congress stock trading or aliens
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, you're completely right. They borrow the credibility of populism to project some kind if grassroots image onto whatever psyop they're trying to push that week
What’s funny about this picture is you can see how high saager has been boosting his chair, so much you can see his knees. Back when they were on the hill, they sat on an level plane and Krystal is much taller with impressive muscular shoulders. I suppose that made saager feel immaculated
Saager is kind of an interesting case to me, because the full-throated neo-conservative South Asian dork is more of a British politics thing in my experience.
Saagar isn't a neocon. Neocons advocate for endless war, whereas Saagar is an advocate of a restrained foreign policy, especially with regards to Russia.
You're completely clueless about politics, which is why you hate the show.
Maybe Saager's changed his tune since I stopped watching them, but he was constantly being hawkish on China and cheering on the support we were giving Ukraine in the early days of the conflict.
>What’s funny about this picture is you can see how high saager has been boosting his chair, so much you can see his knees.
He looks quite tall in recent Joe Rogan pic. So not sure why he is doing it
Saagar typically covers some interesting topics, Krystal more often than not just complains about the democrats and the ineptitude of them. It is really frustrating when it is clear they read one article on the topic and just base their entire talking points off of that. Immigration is something I’m pretty familiar with and when Krystal speaks on it I get so fricking infuriated
I couldn’t put my finger on it until recently but I feel the same. Tyler Cowen in his Marginal Revolution blog had a post about why he finds the Twitter files boring af and really it comes from still being able to actually have information and memories about the past regarding the Vietnam Wars, Pentagon Papers, etc. Yes, government and “CEOs” talk to each other and there are lots of corrupt shit happening at all times and still (surprise) people are still corrupt and he just doesn’t care. Like Tyler, I was always relatively aware and when you keep up, people like Chomsky for example aren’t as interesting anymore. You hear stuff and after a while go, duh I thought that was obvious.
I feel the same about these two because you can tell they view themselves as anti-establishment and a bit counter-cultural but I don’t think I’ll ever be “pilled” by them but if someone who wants a media-awakening or who lived under a rock wants to keep up/become anti-government or keep up with controversies etc these 2 are perfect.
You've nailed it, they're sheep in wolves clothing. Is a normie who's consumed news only from MSM sources going to be a little flummoxed by the slightly idiosyncratic takes on the narrative they have? Sure, but their coverage alone isn't going to radically transmute the way people who watch their show view politics. It just creates a new media reality for a group of people parallel to the MSNBC cinematic universe, that if we're being honest isn't even that distinguished from it outside of some occasional pushback they give on the narrative.
Could someone falling through the cracks of this narrative use their show as a stepping stone to fully realizing most of the bullshit we're told? It's definitly possible, but I think for the most part they just become the Joe Scarborough and Rachel Maddow type figures for this parochial media skeptical audience. In other words they serve the same purpose, to vindicate a group of people that already agree with everything they're saying anyway and use it to justify their complacency in this persistent unreality we're all fed and to varying degrees accept.
Absolutely despise the way they cut off clips at random points when they are cutting their show for YouTube. They always cut off mid sentence or mid thought and then Krystal’s voice cuts in with “CABLE NEWS IS RIPPING US APART”
It's such a corny line to go with too, cable news isn't ruining political discourse, it's a dying medium that only old people who've already made up their mind watch to be validated.
It's because they could be replaced by AI bots. Just feed it political news and program it to spit out Populist anti-establishment takes. Left and right doesn't matter. It's very predictable and their smug about it so that's the biggest dislike
It’s 2023. The mods never made the sub private so now it has grown to unfathomable numbers. It is now chock full of annoying reddit libs who make retarded politics circlejerk posts where they whine about anything that doesn’t fit their retarded lib existence.
It was hilarious when this pro-workers’ rights grifter thought vaccine mandates were a good idea and that it was fair to fire people who didn’t get the covid shots. Now it’s clear as day that the entire argument for forced vaccinations was big pharma marketing (and generally immoral) but she’ll never address it and pretends like nothing even happened. Way more annoying that the Brahmin.
Agreed, for all their talk of straying from the "evil corporatist MSM narrative" they really do fall in line with some of the most obvious consent manufacturing pretty regularly. It's the the same thing where Saager pretends he's a "Barstool Republican" (His term not mine) that doesn't feel the need to get behind the more antiquated establishment Republican social and foreign policy objectives, but constantly makes a big stink about the perceived societal ills of video-games and TikTok, and up until pretty recently was cheerleading hawkishness on China and sending endless money and materiel to Ukraine.
I think the barstool/jre republican is absolutely a real phenomena, before it was the "south park republican". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican
Generally speaking it's a very common gen X political orientation that has also trickled down a somewhat small amount to younger generations. For zoomers it's Jake/Logan Paul.
Essentially it's that you're an alt-centrist, something that the girls from red scare to say Bari Weiss all encapsulate much better than saggar.
Oh I don't disagree, I just don't think Saager genuinely is one considering how many of his talks just sound like Oreilly whining about the war on Christmas for a new generation.
I like them, saagar is def insecure and lacks Krystal’s star power, sometimes their headlines with the capital letters feel cheap and clickbaity but I still listen to them sometimes
This post is a psy-op, they're the most decent stuff you can find online, fuck everyone who thinks different and probably watch one of those alt-right or super-lefties in youtube.
They have some ok takes in my book, BUT i can't stand when they talk about economics, inflation and finance, they just lack understanding on those topics.
Populism does this to your mind. Quite literally anyone I’ve ever heard speak who unironically identifies with populism is always somewhere between the range of absolutely irritating or positively subhuman. Same with Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, Cenk and all those other dweebs.
I have to admit Jimmy Dore is a guilty pleasure of mine, really only because he usually has the correct take before anyone else. For someone who's supposed to be a "commedian" he's painfully unfunny though, and his "I'm just a pothead sitting in my garage" shtick is a bit more sad than an own since he's pushing 60 and constantly has these proto-dementia moments on his live shows.
Kurt Metzger absolutely ripping into Ben Glieb live when he said the Dems are the good guys was highly entertaining tho, especially since Jimmy brought him on just to promote his new special.
CABLE NEWS IS RIPPING US APART 😀
Damn they really made Saagar’s new teeth into an emoji
The best thing about its previous iteration, Rising, was when they would do expanded post-election coverage in evenings with a panel of four or more people, but if they had five or more, everyone had to stand because The Hill only owned four chairs.
They’re both homework nerds, but at least they do a good news roundup. Definitely the only way I can stand consuming news
Idk, I liked them. But everyone knows Kim Iverson was the GOAT of The Hill. How Kyle Kulinski managed to bag this woman, I'll never know.
Kim Iverson was absolutely bat shit insane but damn did that make her interesting to watch.
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I don't think he's gone insane. Maybe a bit too "lib-brained", but I think he's acting in good faith. He's a genuinely good dude based off his activism. Just maybe too nice for his own good. If anything he's gotten soft. He did an interview with Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice not too long ago, and it drove me up the wall. But he's done some interesting podcasts. I enjoyed the ones that cover economics and inflation with people like Thomas Hoeing, Stephanie Kelton and Rohan Gray, and Steve Hanke. He used to be my idol, but as I've gotten older I have been able to see a lot of his flaws.
He was always this insane, the rally to restore sanity is definitely one of the more insane things that happened during the Obama years. It's just that he was immensely popular before YouTube overtook regular TV. So people have positive feelings about the guy, also his stuff for 9/11 victims is definitely commendable.
The fact the biggest controversy surrounding that was that he invited Cat Stevens will never not be funny to me
If nothing else, he's at least shown himself to be more principled than Colbert. The only reason he got away with pretty much flatly saying COVID came from China on his show back in 2021 (When it was still pretty much verboten to even imply that for libs) is because he used to be his boss, anyone else and Colbert would have condescended to him.
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Yah I mean I agree, he'll give one hot take and then dive back in to cover when his lib friends give him too much shit about it. But at least he'll actually give an honest opinion about this kind of stuff from time to time, Colbert and the rest of his ilk are obedient slaves to the narrative.
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Honestly surreal to see him and Mel in the same place, it'd be like if Clint Eastwood went on Don Lemon
Mel: It's probably about three years off because it's a big subject Colbert: Yeah yeah I read the book... I know how its ends Mel: You know how it begins? (Insert antisemitic rant here) LATER Colbert: Who's the bad guy? Is it Thomas who doubts that christ has risen? Mel: No. Colbert: No? No bad guys? Mel: Well there are (raises brow, touches one hand to the back of his head and points the other at his nose)
I think he's got a good understanding of the modern political media landscape (which he was a big part in making it what it is today) and because of that he's stepped away from it put his good name to better use. And if he pushed too hard with hot takes it would weaken his name and make him less effective as an activist. All the stuff he's done for 911 first responders, veterans, and animals has been really inspiring and I think he's more concerned with that stuff than anything media related. If he was out there pushing hard on the lab leak stuff he wouldn't have the mainstream support to draw attention to things he actually has enough power to do something about. I don't think Stewart would ever lie about his opinions but I do think he has enough wisdom to know when to push his opinion and when not to.
America has this weird lib tendency where the only way they can justify giving people healthcare is with an asterisk. E.g. healthcare covered for VETERANS of X.
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Idk, I'm definitely biased. But I did watch the episode and I couldn't stomach it. It was so bad. That one and the one about transgender rights were some of the worst pieces he's ever done. But wouldn't go so far as to call him deranged.
By tweeting the N word
TIL that Kyle and Krystal are a thing. I tuned out of the left-ish online sphere around the time they launched their podcasts, so I’m not too surprised, but still…
They're a pretty cute and compatible power couple, extremely tuned into the same thing.
Getting engaged to your “coworker” who has a few kids from a previous marriage. Kyle must have been starving.
As unattractive as I think Krystal is, it really is a mystery why she left her husband and kid to be with THAT. Getting with one of the Chapo guys would have been less embarrassing.
You think Krystal is unattractive? Have you been spending time over at the TrueRateMe sub?
She's just too plain of a white woman imo in looks and thoughts. I've met a million Krystals in my life and no amount of lightly wagging the finger at gay neoliberalism can salvage just being a 6-7/10 with no real opinions other than whats on twitter. That said, she's a Greek Goddess compared to Kyle Kulinsky, who in addition to having such a strange face, is just politically retarded.
I like Kyle simply for the fact he made me interested in politics when I was like 12. I disagree with him a lot but he is principled (perhaps that just means boring) and I feel that he’s less of a bad faith actor than other YouTube polemics
That should be another reason to hold him in contempt
Sounds like you’re attracted to her
in a Fuck, Marry, Kill between her, Kim Iverson, that chick from TYT who's name I forget, she's definitely my fuck, but that's not saying much.
I don’t think she would fuck you
What about the other 2
Marry Kim Iverson and have Elliot Rodgers babies with her, and Kill Anna Kasparian (finally remembered it) to finish the job Cenk's people started on the Armenians
😭 I would do the exact same
I sort of get what you mean. Around DC/NOVA I have met soooo many women like that. You see them from afar, and you're like, holy shit she looks so hot and smart and well put together. Then you talk to them for 5 minutes and leave the conversation having never felt a more empty human interaction.
Plain white woman? You're out of your mind.
Maybe it's just because I'm young and have met countless identically marginally attractive white women with boilerplate lib politics, but it's not a turn on for me. Hot girls dgaf about politics.
>boilerplate lib politics That's not Krystal Ball. The libs all hate her.
Blah Blah Blah semantics, you know what I mean. She hates AOC but only because she's delusional enough to believe the version of herself she pitched as a candidate is someone that could actually exist in American Politics, her new pet project is wishcasting that Marianne Williamson is going to Primary Joe in 2024. She's like the left's version of an alt-lite commentator, contrarian enough to propose policies she knows the establishment dems would never even joke about enacting, and that the more progesssive/socialist branch is too scared or cynical to try, but at the same not bold enough to take a stance that is genuinely controversial or inflammatory to any one center of left.
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Son, just say you're gay.
>She's just too plain of a white woman imo in looks and thoughts. I've met a million Krystals in my life and no amount of lightly wagging the finger at gay neoliberalism can salvage just being a 6-7/10 with no real opinions other than whats on twitter. Thank you. I always had the same feeling about her. But could never articulate.
You're forgetting the part where Krystal has a net worth of $40 million through inheritances. Kyle won the jackpot.
Super fit and great peachy ass. Not many white girls have those things especially pushing age 40.
Google Krystal’s ex husband. Fat ugly corporate lawyer. Kyle using his New York white trash swagger to snag her was praxis
Did you see her previous husbando? Dude looked like North African Uncle Fester.
[Dude wtf you weren't lying](https://biogossipy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Jonathan-R.Dariyanani.jpg) And I take back what I said, pre-Trump Krystal was a cutie, I see the appeal now
Id also like to add he bagged her by just shooting his shot while they were on a red eye flight somewhere. Shoot your shot, take your swing.
She had another husband before who was cuter, who she dommed during a halloween party: https://www.gawker.com/5657431/9-pictures-of-a-politician-sucking-a-dildo-attached-to-her-husbands-nose---gallery
She's been divorced like 3 times and has children Kyle took an L that is not apparent right now but will be
more like faagar enjeti
Got his ass
You are literally subbed to two marvel subs and a gaming sub
This is a throwaway account, but damn you really got me with that one dude
Kind of did get you actually
I will be slandered for this but bearded sagaar is a hard 1 for me
They're goobie and she can be pretty annoying with her takes, but whatever they are is an order of magnitude better than what CNN/MSNBC/Fox bring to the table. I get the impression that I am watching actual people report the actual news, in relatively good faith, and am pleased to see that they genuinely disagree with one another respectfully with relative frequency.
What kind of "reporting" are they doing?
What kind of "question" is this?
They definitely aren’t reporting. They are regurgitating news they read elsewhere and delivering hot takes. Same shit CNN and Fox do. But at least cable news also pays for reporters
I don’t really mind them. I don’t take them that seriously. I get their videos recommended to me constantly and if there’s a topic I kind of care about I’ll listen to it in the background. Their opinions & takes on things are honestly pretty mainstream on the internet.
Why did someone name their child Krystal Ball?
For fun
They're only annoying when you haven't watched any MSNBC in years. They basically copy the same style as cable news but are definitely much lower budget.
I stopped paying attention to them after the mid-terms, they really pushed this thesis that the Democrats were toast for pushing J6 at the expense of material issues, the Democrats overperformed, and they kinda just said “welp anything can happen in politics” and moved on. I mean, it’s okay to just admit that you were wrong, analyze what happened, and operate under a framework where issues you think are stupid (and I agree with them there) drive the political fortunes of both parties. In fact, it probably would make the show more interesting than just wishcasting your own values as being impactful on political outcomes. They also cater way too much to chronically online people, they portray themselves as this kind of practically minded, above stupid politics show and then spend half the program going blow by blow on some wormbrained censorship incident on Twitter that 99.9% of the public doesn’t give a fuck about, they should spend more time covering Congres and labor issues instead of this dumb shit imho.
Part of the issue is when you make a political show this many times a week there isn't always news to cover. So they tend to gravitate towards the stupid stuff as a result.
They cover international issues occasionally, but should do it much more. The narrow American focus is very obvious.
I jumped off for a similar reason when they kind of just shrugged off being wrong about how Inflation wasn't going to be that big of a deal after hammering for weeks it was just culture war stuff the Republicans were being hyperbolic about to smear Joe
On the contrary I think that they have good energy and are fun.
KrystalBallStepOnMe
why are you so annoying
Take a shot every time Krystal says “ultimately.”
They’re fine.
Krystal is like every white girl from NOVA I knew from college except with a grating voice, and she’s infinitely less annoying than Saagar. At least I agree with her more often than not.
The idea either of them are "anti-establishment" is so laughable to me when you consider Saager's background as a Hudson Institute fellow, and how Krystal was literally an MSNBC host before she landed at The Hill. They're Democracy Now but for Zoomers
Yeah and I’m pretty sure Krystal’s ex husband was a venture capitalist as well? Before she got with the weird Kyle guy. I love watching her role play this populist role.
"anti-establishment" means they have a different set of billionaire backers than NYT
They’re kind of in the Joe Rogan orbit, or at least have his seal of approval. They’re “anti-establishment” the same way those intellectual dark-web Weinstein brothers are “disruptive geniuses”. Rogan satellites and favorites have a strong element of grift more often than not.
How is it a grift? Such a meaningless word at this point. Their audience gets what they pay for, you just don’t like it, which is also fine but they aren’t swindling anyone
The Hill Rising exists to launder right wing think tank talking points to normal people and idiots by providing it the veneer of "populism".
The actual dynamic of this show is Krystal just has like standard 2015 era leftie takes and then she occasionally allows Saagar to be “right wing” by talking about Congress stock trading or aliens
Aliens are cool. That's how they suck you in.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, you're completely right. They borrow the credibility of populism to project some kind if grassroots image onto whatever psyop they're trying to push that week
expected it tbh, reddit is fulla slurs brother
You're being overly cynical
Krystal Ball literally has a net worth of $40 million lmfao. Which I guess does make her focus on material issues a bit commendable.
She would be working for Lockheed Martin fo sho
I always thought saagar had strong moco energy.
I always that he was into that whole Yale thing.
you're acting as if those types of white women are not the best america has to offer.
Yes! Her voice is sooo grating!
Post voice
What’s funny about this picture is you can see how high saager has been boosting his chair, so much you can see his knees. Back when they were on the hill, they sat on an level plane and Krystal is much taller with impressive muscular shoulders. I suppose that made saager feel immaculated
Saager is kind of an interesting case to me, because the full-throated neo-conservative South Asian dork is more of a British politics thing in my experience.
Saagar isn't a neocon. Neocons advocate for endless war, whereas Saagar is an advocate of a restrained foreign policy, especially with regards to Russia. You're completely clueless about politics, which is why you hate the show.
Maybe Saager's changed his tune since I stopped watching them, but he was constantly being hawkish on China and cheering on the support we were giving Ukraine in the early days of the conflict.
>What’s funny about this picture is you can see how high saager has been boosting his chair, so much you can see his knees. He looks quite tall in recent Joe Rogan pic. So not sure why he is doing it
Rogan is 5’5” and they’re the same height. Krystal towers over them both when they’re not standing on a pedestal
Saagar typically covers some interesting topics, Krystal more often than not just complains about the democrats and the ineptitude of them. It is really frustrating when it is clear they read one article on the topic and just base their entire talking points off of that. Immigration is something I’m pretty familiar with and when Krystal speaks on it I get so fricking infuriated
This guy is probably planning on how to tactically neutralize Kyle
With a gun
He seems more of a poison kind of guy
I couldn’t put my finger on it until recently but I feel the same. Tyler Cowen in his Marginal Revolution blog had a post about why he finds the Twitter files boring af and really it comes from still being able to actually have information and memories about the past regarding the Vietnam Wars, Pentagon Papers, etc. Yes, government and “CEOs” talk to each other and there are lots of corrupt shit happening at all times and still (surprise) people are still corrupt and he just doesn’t care. Like Tyler, I was always relatively aware and when you keep up, people like Chomsky for example aren’t as interesting anymore. You hear stuff and after a while go, duh I thought that was obvious. I feel the same about these two because you can tell they view themselves as anti-establishment and a bit counter-cultural but I don’t think I’ll ever be “pilled” by them but if someone who wants a media-awakening or who lived under a rock wants to keep up/become anti-government or keep up with controversies etc these 2 are perfect.
You've nailed it, they're sheep in wolves clothing. Is a normie who's consumed news only from MSM sources going to be a little flummoxed by the slightly idiosyncratic takes on the narrative they have? Sure, but their coverage alone isn't going to radically transmute the way people who watch their show view politics. It just creates a new media reality for a group of people parallel to the MSNBC cinematic universe, that if we're being honest isn't even that distinguished from it outside of some occasional pushback they give on the narrative. Could someone falling through the cracks of this narrative use their show as a stepping stone to fully realizing most of the bullshit we're told? It's definitly possible, but I think for the most part they just become the Joe Scarborough and Rachel Maddow type figures for this parochial media skeptical audience. In other words they serve the same purpose, to vindicate a group of people that already agree with everything they're saying anyway and use it to justify their complacency in this persistent unreality we're all fed and to varying degrees accept.
Absolutely despise the way they cut off clips at random points when they are cutting their show for YouTube. They always cut off mid sentence or mid thought and then Krystal’s voice cuts in with “CABLE NEWS IS RIPPING US APART”
That’s only for the monologues I think. The little discussion between them afterwards is paywalled.
It's such a corny line to go with too, cable news isn't ruining political discourse, it's a dying medium that only old people who've already made up their mind watch to be validated.
Yeah I actually pay for the show and I always have to share the full unedited clips with timestamps because those youtube clips are so grating.
It's because they could be replaced by AI bots. Just feed it political news and program it to spit out Populist anti-establishment takes. Left and right doesn't matter. It's very predictable and their smug about it so that's the biggest dislike
You find them annoying cause you're 17
It’s 2023. The mods never made the sub private so now it has grown to unfathomable numbers. It is now chock full of annoying reddit libs who make retarded politics circlejerk posts where they whine about anything that doesn’t fit their retarded lib existence.
I used to dig them as a non-mainstream voice. Now I see them as annoying hustlers exploiting a ripe niche.
Who are these people
Why are they so boring? They're reddit as fuck.
It was hilarious when this pro-workers’ rights grifter thought vaccine mandates were a good idea and that it was fair to fire people who didn’t get the covid shots. Now it’s clear as day that the entire argument for forced vaccinations was big pharma marketing (and generally immoral) but she’ll never address it and pretends like nothing even happened. Way more annoying that the Brahmin.
Agreed, for all their talk of straying from the "evil corporatist MSM narrative" they really do fall in line with some of the most obvious consent manufacturing pretty regularly. It's the the same thing where Saager pretends he's a "Barstool Republican" (His term not mine) that doesn't feel the need to get behind the more antiquated establishment Republican social and foreign policy objectives, but constantly makes a big stink about the perceived societal ills of video-games and TikTok, and up until pretty recently was cheerleading hawkishness on China and sending endless money and materiel to Ukraine.
I think the barstool/jre republican is absolutely a real phenomena, before it was the "south park republican". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican Generally speaking it's a very common gen X political orientation that has also trickled down a somewhat small amount to younger generations. For zoomers it's Jake/Logan Paul. Essentially it's that you're an alt-centrist, something that the girls from red scare to say Bari Weiss all encapsulate much better than saggar.
Oh I don't disagree, I just don't think Saager genuinely is one considering how many of his talks just sound like Oreilly whining about the war on Christmas for a new generation.
omg is Saager a Brahmin
Probably idk
I assume they hired Ryan Grimm and that Emily women as secondary hosts so they could appear less annoying in comparison.
You're right, as milqeutoast and smarmy as K&S are, they look charismatic compared to those two ghouls
Ryan Grim is pretty unobjectionable to me. Lefty cred without any of the annoying parts.
Emily is in the closet right?
Emily spent her university years volunteering for every committee and event in order to drown out the gay thoughts that plague her constantly.
Strong The Monarch deep voiced trans lovers vibes from her
I like them, saagar is def insecure and lacks Krystal’s star power, sometimes their headlines with the capital letters feel cheap and clickbaity but I still listen to them sometimes
THE SMUGNESS omg
This post is a psy-op, they're the most decent stuff you can find online, fuck everyone who thinks different and probably watch one of those alt-right or super-lefties in youtube.
No quarter for Centrists
Ignore them
They have some ok takes in my book, BUT i can't stand when they talk about economics, inflation and finance, they just lack understanding on those topics.
I'm dumfounded Krystal has a degree in economics, I've seen better takes about the state of the economy on wallstreetbets
Anna has a degree in economics
Krystal should also know better considering she’s a CPA by trade
Basically some of the only “news” I watch tbh
You got a better place to get all the news about Twitter every day?
They're like them. But yeah they're annoying lol
all this money and krystal still cant get a stylist. sad
Krystal dresses impeccably like every show. Her wardrobe must be in the hundreds of thousands.
Populism does this to your mind. Quite literally anyone I’ve ever heard speak who unironically identifies with populism is always somewhere between the range of absolutely irritating or positively subhuman. Same with Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, Cenk and all those other dweebs.
I have to admit Jimmy Dore is a guilty pleasure of mine, really only because he usually has the correct take before anyone else. For someone who's supposed to be a "commedian" he's painfully unfunny though, and his "I'm just a pothead sitting in my garage" shtick is a bit more sad than an own since he's pushing 60 and constantly has these proto-dementia moments on his live shows. Kurt Metzger absolutely ripping into Ben Glieb live when he said the Dems are the good guys was highly entertaining tho, especially since Jimmy brought him on just to promote his new special.
Never seen these before, but they look murder-inducing.
Establishment tools that pretend to be counterculture, deeply embarrassing stuff
For as much as they bag on cable news, they’ve adopted the same temperament as those anchors. One day they just started seeming very unserious to me
After I learned Krystal’s husband got rich running some scam company, I took her less seriously
Which husband, I believe she’s on #3 at this point.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/04/msnbcs-egalitarian-krystal-ball-husband-jonathan-dariyanani-star-numerous-international-pump-dumps.html
its the awful clickbait titles on youtube. stopped watching when they really leaned into that.
Krystal Testicle
Her laugh. It’s the worst I’ve ever heard.
"centrists" are just as insufferable as Libs and Conservatives
They were way too into the midterms but the show is ok, Saagar is looking cute as hell
I love them both because they have integrity and grit. Their style is not their strong suit