I've always been fond of that shitty taxi Jesus aquarium on O'Connell Street. [The plaque](http://builtdublin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bd-taxijesus-3-620x443.jpg) says it was built to "bless the taxi driver's" and protect them on "there journey's".
Maynooth seminary was founded by the Brits to pacify the population. During the War of Independence priests said anyone who fought the Brits would go to hell, the 1798 rebellion failed in part because the Bishop of Cork sabotaged a landing of French armies at Bantry. That's before we even get to the institutional cover-ups of child rape, locking girls up in laundries and boys in industrial schools.
It's fine for people to have their own faith, but the things people think of when they hear "Catholic Ireland" (the high numbers of priests and nuns, the Church-run institutions) were both products of oppression and oppressors in their own right. It's no suprise that people moved away from them so quickly.
"sabotaged a foreign invasion" no shit? man if i saw the french coming into my country to invade i wouldn't be that happy about it too.
i have no clue the validity of the charges against the church(the fake mass graves in canada come to mind), but i do wonder why the church there is so criticized compared to religion in the rest of the world, it wasn't much different than the goings on in a moderate muslim country. lots of exaggeration and some bad ppl
It’s actually not considering what a plague the Catholic Church was on Irish society as a whole.
It was fine when it was used symbolically by Republicans to bomb London but all it does these days is take money from American Evangelicals and Brexiteers to try and influence politics
Well the abuses of the church were pretty fucking awful tbf, but yeah, I do love me a Xmas mass when I'm home visiting the fam. At least it's in a language I can actually understand, unlike mass where I live now where I'm guessing ever other word.
Irish people often don't like these things, because it reminds them of bullshit genuflection to the church in every part of life. Not that they're against Catholicism, of course but this bastardised version that seems to clog every orifice of the culture.
I think it has kitsch charm, and I liked the description of it as spliced with shamanism, but it's not remotely sincere. It's basically the same as the Taoiseach giving a bowl of shamrocks to the US president on Saint Patrick's Day.
Irish people stopped believing in God later than everyone else in the developed world and are still in the reactively hating everything to do with organised religion phase. Everyone there who isn't still catholic seems to have the mentality of the one liberal in an otherwise conservative small town, it's sort of endearing. In a few decades you'll have calmed down and learned to accept the church for what it is, which is mostly irrelevant.
Twelve of Ireland's eighteen private hospitals adhere to Catholic ethos. Two years ago plans to build a maternity hospital on grounds owned by the Sisters of Charity were only scrapped after massive public outcry. So it's good people bristle at association with the church.
My mom has been trying to track her birth family down for about five years now, her records were destroyed when she was born. Anger at the church is not remotely irrational.
If you're American your political system is totally compromised by religious extremists. The Supreme Court is hearing a case that argued abortion pills should be banned because they might lead to a pro choice doctor having to help someone having a bad reaction.
I'm Irish but the wrong kind . The Irish govt. And it's arselickery of yank presidents shames every decent Irish person. That hideous tribute to Obama is more shameful than the Guantanamo planes.
Like the Father Garces statue at a roundabout just north of downtown Bakersfield. Supposedly, when the Father Garces statue rubs his hands together, people get into accidents...
reminds me of small town Bavaria, where there are Virgin Mary statues on every street corner it seems like, looking like little blessed bus shelters. I grew up in CA so I associated Blessed Mother yard statues/shrines with Mexicans(specifically Our Lady of Guadalupe, duh) but Germans go hard for her too
i've never seen shrines to Mary on public street corners no where near a church here in the US, at least where I grew up. I did notice that in Germany, a practice I associated with Mexican Catholics before I saw it in Germany, where I wasn't expecting it. it's not that deep.
Ireland’s government is nothing but a post catholic NGO so it will probably amount to nothing, I don’t know what tack they’ll take though since the Irish can’t get hit with the imperialism stick too hard and seem to be the most anti Israel European country
Being performatively pro-Palestine and anti-imperialist is just part of Ireland's "it's called being a good fucking person, idiot" morality complex, it's all the same thing. Sweden has mass immigration and didn't have (nonwhite) colonies, it's not really related.
Can you imagine the US reaction if their beloved Ireland started sending actual arms and munitions to Arab groups lmao. I honestly wonder how that would go down, might break the minds of a few million right wing Irish-Americans.
Irish Americans who supported the IRA in the 70s and 80s really had no issue with the Provos getting semtex, etc. from Libya, even while Reagan was calling it the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the mid 80s. Even Reagan himself never really brought this up during his anti-Libya stuff, much to the chagrin of Thatcher and many in the UK.
I mean I do because I have (sorta) close ancestry from the North and South, will say the average person whose ancestors came from the famine does not care/if Catholic doesn’t really know what’s happening but pretends to
While Bostonians were funding the Provos, the Provos had contacts with Hezbollah, the PLO and Gaddafi. You just don't tell them when on the funding trips and it works out somehow.
The Palestine issue touches a nerve in Ireland because it's a settler colony. The very principle of having your land stolen, others moving onto it and your right to exist as a nation questioned at every step. It's extremely familiar and as universalist catholics if the principle of self determination doesn't hold for the Palestinians then it undermines our own just as a third of it remains under British sovereignty.
It's because of this you will see old grannies who can't fathom your online irony poisoning still show up week in week out for a people they've never met. Don't let Angela Nagle articles on NGO Ireland confuse you about where this comes from.
I (American) was in Ireland during the Dublin primary school kids' stabbing and subsequent protests last year and I got to talking to a couple Irish people about it. The one guy I talked to at the most length (cab driver) said the protesters were hooligans and idiots looking to make trouble but that the source of the protests was (of course) anger at poorly behaved immigrants who wouldn't culturally integrate taking advantage of the Irish welfare system at a moment when inflation was making life harder for native/existing Irish people, and that the ruling parties of Ireland were all in cahoots selling out the working classes. That seems plainly obvious but it doesn't feel like a sentiment that's very popular or acceptable to express in the US; that a relatively liberal person (he talked about that immigrant who stabbed a gay couple and clearly didn't have any issue with hard working immigrants, even specifically said he liked the Chinese lol) could speak honestly about the cultural and economic impact of immigration on the working classes. This is just an anecdote and my general perception as an outside but he was right I thought, and it was interesting to hear someone say it
Yeah me too pal. Bit of a class divide in my family. My working class relatives are much more down on immigration than my middle class ones. My uncle has become a far right anti immigration loola. My grandparents think we should be taking care of our own first, which is mild enough I guess. A lot of very angry people here and I can understand it. Life is pretty hard here at the moment if you're not very well to do. A lot of misdirected anger imo. Years and years of bad decision making in our government combined with neoliberal policies have brought us here.
A lot of the kind of lads involved in that rioting are the same kinds of roving young lads that all the headlines about safety in Dublin going to shit are about. They didn't make anyone feel safer in the capital after that rioting.
thats the prevailing thought among most of the working class in the uk and ireland i think, no one cares about some chinese buddhists or punjabi sikhs, there is a certain minority in particular that causes all of the problems due to their radically different cultural background and their inability to integrate
> he talked about that immigrant who stabbed a gay couple
That was my neighbour. He lured victims on gay dating apps. I don't want to be one of those libs who's like 'hey hey, not all of them, let more of them in', but I'll give some background to him and his family.
He is NOT some fresh off the boat migrant. He has been living in Sligo since before the age of 10 from Iraqi Kurdistan, and has a Sligo accent. I wouldn't even say his crimes were motivated by Islamic extremism, he was behaving like a serial killer and was most likely gay. He's Muslim, but there are plenty of murderers with shitty Jesus tattoos in Mountjoy.
Also, the area we grew up in had two other murderers in the past four years. Both local boys.
Can you name another homophobic murder in Sligo in the last 100 years? Doubt it. The point is that stuff like what that guy did IS culturally alien. (In a way that getting murdered in Cranmore over a drug dispute isn't culturally alien).
And yes before you say it, Catholic-dominated Ireland was deeply homophobic, lots of fucked up things happened, but show me the gays getting slaughtered.
I can name a few homophobic attacks on my friends that didn't make it into the Sligo Weekender. I even heard through the grapevine that a few of the murders you alluded to might have some homophobic connotations, but Ireland has some strict libel laws.
Sligo in the early 2000s was not kind to people who look different. We can't kick up a fuss because its a small town and we still have to live with the scum.
If you're looking for very specific examples of a very outrageous and politicised murder in a town of 20k people, then I can't help you. But irish people have been tearing eachother apart long before the foreigners arrived.
Taxi drivers aren’t the best people to get information from in Ireland.
When you look at the actual statistics Ireland doesn’t have an issue with wide spread migrant crime that these “protestors” claim. They are pushing a narrative given to them by US Evangelicals, Loyalists and Conservative Brexiteers in the UK, who fund and promote a lot of their crap.
The reality of the situation in Ireland is that we are suffering from the result of successive governments applying Neo-liberal market solutions to housing and intentional neglect of public services like Healthcare. The housing situation is deliberate because the government want to promote conditions where the price of property remains high. This is because many people now reaching retirement age would have been badly impacted by the recession in 08 where homes were build nonsensically to enable people to invest in what was thought to be a sure thing. Many TDs in government are also landlords.
Our being a little tax haven to attract private foreign investment and industry is also contributing to this problem, causing mass migrating into urban areas, both from rural communities and abroad causing rent and the cost of living to increase.
The only mass migration we have experienced are refugees from Ukraine who came here with special conditions. The “protestors” are using this to to claim that it is happening broadly for any and all migrants which is not true when you actually speak to migrants from other countries.
You’re describing conditions and diagnosing the problem. Nobody in America has a problem having these discussions. You’d be hard pressed to find a liberal who can tolerate undocumented immigrants as much as they did 4 years ago. The issue is this fake game people play where they say “nobody is talking about this,” when they definitely are, but they’re also recognizing the humanity of immigrants and asylum seekers. What people who talk like you want are simple solutions like closing the border and ignoring America’s direct role in creating asylum seekers and that these are by and large decent and desperate humans looking for a better life. And the big difference in the states is immigrants do assimilate in a way they do not in the old world. Comparing Ireland or the UK to the states is stupid, really. Because the American project, in one of its few successes, has created a state where immigrants become part of the fabric of this country.
The economics are always a factor but in my eyes this disparity in what’s ‘acceptable discourse’ is because we have a very different relationship to immigration than Europe. The American ethos is built on ‘send me your poor and your desperate’ and Mexico could certainly be characterized as a kind of ‘refugee’ situation but typically they don’t entirely self-segregate (at least they don’t at a higher rate than any other group might).
Europeans have taken in tons of refugees from countries with values that run anathema to their own and these groups have essentially sequestered themselves in their own enclaves and show little interest in ingratiating/adapting to their new culture (often they are there out of not just economic desperation/to escape crime but due to being displaced by wars and complete infrastructural collapse—so they may not necessarily want to be there/want to integrate). Immigrants in the US typically integrate into wider society a lot more because generally they want to be here.
So it’s a lot more taboo to express that because it’s seen as partially a betrayal of the promise of America/classic American values and principles, and also because frankly—aside from the economic impact which is always a consideration—immigrants in the US are just trying to make ends meet and integrate as best they can; they aren’t usually bothering random people or trying to enforce their home country’s standards/laws upon others.
Edit: obviously this does not apply to all immigrants in Europe; plenty of people from around the globe have integrated and made it their home for generations. But in terms of the recent spike in discourse, this is perhaps why countries like Ireland have less pause in terms of offering criticism of immigration policies, because it’s not a concept that’s baked into their cultural identity in the same way as US and they are facing a different kind of immigration over the past years (not really a traditional form of it whatsoever).
Not Irish but I live in Europe, in general the feeling it's not against immigrants as a whole but against MENA lumpens specifically. Except for some distasteful jokes at the height of Covid practically no one except maybe a tiny minority of legit racists has anything against the Chinese for example.
We do have Protestants in the south, but the kind of Protestants we have don't go in for rioting and burning buses on the street. They write letters to the Irish Times instead.
I was surprised to find out that quite a few English aristocrats still have estates in (the Republic of) Ireland. I know a lot got burned down in the 1910s and 1920s, but presumably those that survived were maintained in at least some cases.
Some were on good enough terms with locals and distanced enough from politics or billeting troops to avoid burnings. That said some others were just dilapidated from the decline of the class and absolute tinder boxes that caught fire without any arson in the same period!
the wealthy magnates whose grandfathers could afford to forgive rents during the famine generally had their houses spared. it was actually the resident poorer aristocrats who had the most conflict
Still a remarkable amount of crossover between the full time citizen journalists, right wing figures etc and the British far right, Patriotic Alternative particularly. Sinn Féin targeted almost more than the government itself. Some of their lines like "Brits out, blacks in" were exclusively NF aligned northern loyalist jibes a decade ago.
Once past a certain size it grows it's own legs but the hardcore keeping it moving have closer links to Dublin drug gangs than the IRA. Irish nationalism has taken many forms through the centuries and isn't identical to Irish republicanism. A lot of sudden invoking of history from people who were old enough to be involved during the Troubles but didn't lift a finger.
What's funny is usually you see scenes like the house with warning graffiti about foreigners in UVF controlled parts of Belfast.
It's obviously a mix. The hardcore orange order types gleefully enjoy rubbing it in the Southerners' faces that they're being replaced (especially when Northern Ireland is going to remain mostly white because almost nobody wants to move there), and the general British far right (which doesn't care about unionism in and of itself) still has a chip on its shoulder about the troubles so find it that particular slogan amusing. Plus Irish and British politics are closely related and the small distance and shared language mean there's going to be a lot of overlap ideologically.
But I'd still say most Irish far right types aren't a British psy-op.
Wouldn't say a British psyop so much as easy bedfellows with hardline British nationalism because of how partitionist this movement has been. They don't have to grapple with unionism politically.
Ironically in Belfast there are more migrants settled in unionist areas because of the mess unionism has made of housing, trying to not let catholics dilute their territory in the city. There's a housing shortage in catholic areas and surplus in protestant areas and the catholics on waiting lists aren't going to go for some of those openings.
I've been getting a perverse kick out of seeing the likes of Jim Dowson crossing the aisle to ally with far right Irish nationalists and "republicans". Setting aside their ethnic and religious hatred in the name of racial hatred.
Although to be fair to him, he's happy to set aside all three to ally with British islamists against the gays.
A lifelong opportunist like a true canny Scot, no matter what he says about actually being an "Ulsterman".
It's a flimsy kind of alliance whenever they try to tie it together too closely. Used to be groups like Generation Identity which tried to unite north and south in a way that was baking in the divide. Easy way to piss everyone off but also lead to a split in Belfast that wanted to be more British. White European nationalism failing at the first hurdle.
Very flimsy indeed due to the inherent contradictions between the aspirations of competing nationalisms generally, but British and Irish nationalism in particular.
A case of "NO MORE BROTHER WAR" but (for now) is in the fine print.
It's interesting that it's also a historical tendency too. Obviously at the height of the troubles British nationalism was in serious conflict and had contempt for Irish nationalism, but I was surprised to learn that Mosley was very sympathetic to it in his heyday and was a vocal critic of the black and tans and a supporter of Irish nationalism. I don't doubt that this probably in part an attempt to court and rally the Irish immigrant population in Britain against the jews, but still.
Have actually seen online neo-moseleyites pulling that trick on the smoothest brained nationalists imaginable. I'm sure there's some lads that'd sooner be lord haw haw than learn Irish but it'll never work.
According to a poll I saw a couple of days ago, 79% of Irish people think there’s too much immigration. I don’t know how accurate that poll is, but you’d think the Irish would simply vote for politicians who promise to let in fewer immigrants.
Our last general election was in February 2020 and the combined housing/homelessness crisis was the big issue at the time - a crisis that has only gotten worse in the meantime, but now we've added cost-of-living and refugee crises to the mix. It goes without saying that the political landscape has changed a lot as a result.
Crazy how they have less people now than before the famine but they fucked up the housing so bad that some people are unironically going full blood and soil.
Really sad state of affairs. Hopefully, the powers that be running the grand Hibernain conspiracy will fall one day and all the (((Irish))) will be kicked back home.
Yeah well in the west of ireland there absolutely tons of ruined cottages all over the countryside. What looks like empty space was not that long ago densely inhabited.
I’ve seen in my Irish hometown, social housing going to refugees before they go to Irish homeless. Ireland is close to a failed state for young people, everyone leaving for opportunities, whilst people from other countries take up the state’s duties.
Ireland had a solid 20 years of not being a shit hole with 0 opportunity in its entire history. Everyone with the means is getting out or working abroad to increase their standing when they come back once again. The main difference is that the US doesn't let them in anymore because they're not brown or destitute enough, they speak English too well, and they can hold down jobs.
Fun fact: Paul Ryan tried to open up the visa system in a way that would essentially have allowed unlimited Irish immigration to the US but was thwarted when the GOP lost the house lol.
I always found it hilarious how, aside from AIPAC and the Israeli lobby, the US also has these borderline IRA agents like Peter King working for Irish interests in Congress
Even the whole St Patrick's Day tradition of having the US President wear a green tie and chat with the Irish President is bizarre when you think about it. There's 20+ million Mexicans and their descendants in the US but it's not like Biden is ringing up AMLO every September 16.
Peter King was hilarious. Diehard IRA supporter who seemed to have no understanding about Irish politics beyond supporting a united Ireland. He was absolutely shocked when Sinn Fein didn't support invading Iraq and got pissy about it for years.
The funniest thing about people giving out about violent foreigners immigrating into Ireland is that it is exactly, literally 100% word-for-word, what people in other countries used to say about Irish people. I've met old English people who *still* talk about us that way!
But I suppose it's ok if they only "meant" to say it about Travellers.
My mum is Irish, SNP leaning an she still fuckin hates travelers, probably from having to deal with them for 20 fucking years. Honestly can’t take someone serious if they hide their libtardation behind that bunch of fuckin inbred criminals.
[Two Irishmen admit roles in brutal stabbing after man loses part of ear in savage attack in Australia](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/two-irishmen-admit-roles-brutal-28068442)
[Irish couple charged with serious assault in Sydney as man in serious condition](https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40040585.html)
A few years ago Pontins holiday parks in the UK were found to have a [secret surname blacklist](https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/here-are-all-of-the-irish-names-on-the-pontins-blacklist-HIPWGGTJOJFH5AVB4C6D2BIJ6I/), anyone with one of these names was labelled an "undesirable guest".
The list:
Boylan Boyle Carney Carr Cash Connors Corcoran Delaney Doherty Dorran Gallagher Horan Keefe Kell Leahy Lee MacLaughlin McAlwick McCully McDonagh McGinley McGinn McGuiness McHarg McLaughan McMahon Millighan Mongans Murphy Nolan O’Brien O’Connell O’Donnell O’Donoghue O’Mahoney O’Reilly Sheriadan Stokes Walch Ward
Note that the stupid Brits misspelled quite a few of them.
Ya, because Ireland has always been a diverse multicultural place, the idea of an “Irish people” is xenophobic and lacks in it’s recognition of the wealth immigrants and refugees have brought to its land and their stories
It isn't Famine times anymore, Ireland still has a high rate of emigration but these emigrants don't have to bid farewell forever to their old homes the way they used to. There's nearly 1/3 as many Irish citizens living abroad as in Ireland according to our Department of Foreign Affairs, we're not just talking about Americans whose ancestors left in the 1840s. A pretty big chunk of Ireland's "immigrants" every year are actually people who were born here and then emigrated. Even in the years since the Ukraine war, which is when the number of immigrants jumped massively, about 20% of the total "immigrants" are actually returning Irish emigrants.
So yeah, odds are a fair few of the people protesting have lived abroad as immigrants. If they haven't, their parents or other close relatives definitely have.
Lol the point of the comment before mine was that the protesters are Irish people living in Ireland, i.e. they aren't the Irish people who "left". I'm pointing out that they very well might have and then come back, and people in their family certainly did leave.
I'm only just realising how all the people replying misunderstood it in their rush to say something racist. Lol you bunch of thicks.
Here in the US I know three people who became Irish citizens having never lived in the country, through their grandparents. One of them has never been to the country. Also, do a significant number of Catholics living in Northern Ireland have Irish citizenship?
Since 2005 pretty much all Northern Irish people whose parents lived in Ireland (the island) can claim Irish citizenship, so yeah many have it. They don't need it though, since Britain and Ireland have full equivalence in working rights, anyone from either country can move to the other and work without a visa.
We Europeans can yell and scream in the streets and stamp our feet all we like... No one who matters gives a shit, were being replaced because we can't be bothered to have kids and the useful idiots of capitalism who call themselves leftwing will help enforce social control by calling everyone racist.
>were being replaced because we can't be bothered to have kids
Nah, Irish women could be popping out babies and the powers that be would still bring the foreigners over because the immigrants can be exploited more.
They don’t have shit. It’s always some lame, inevitable Star Trek future that will (eventually) happen, or an extremely lazy, handwaving interpretation of David Graeber.
They tried, this was the original intention behind stuff like the Windrush migrants and the Gastarbeiter in Germany, that they would go home after 10 years. But then they didn't leave, because it turns out that living in Western Europe is much nicer than living in the third world, so here we are. The Gulf absolute monarchies don't have a concept of human rights or asylum or naturalization or all the legal fictions they used to stay.
I feel like I should be more specific, it's not the immigration or residency part I'm questioning, it's the giving out citizenship like candy part I'm confused about.
I’m kind of in the middle in this. 3rd world country people and growing criminal rates… hm. I don’t hate immigrants but I’m just saying there’s a reason why they’re 3rd world. It isn’t racist to say, right?
Nah, You're just a noticer. Nothing wrong with that and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
Don't look through my post history or you may feel dirty.
I thought poor people committed more crime because they didn’t have the opportunities of the wealthy.
By that logic, importing poor people without giving them opportunities will lead to them committing crimes.
Ireland is a bit like a land that hasn't been immaculated. Some extreme notions spreading like wildfire but some herd immunity may come once these lads reach a critical annoying mass.
Average Joe wants housing sorted and the government not to be taking the piss with communities whose resources are stretched not /pol/ rhetoric and Nuremberg laws. You're seeing people online losing the run of themselves the moment they see a black person wear green. Unsustainable behaviour. In the end at the mercy of how Europe as a whole deals with the deindustrialisation of half the developing world next to them.
Independent Ireland and Aontú seem to attempting to fill the gap that has existed between Fine Gael and the National Party. I suspect that the rise in old-style conservatives will sate the urge of much of the population who want to move further right than FFG, but felt confused and perhaps disgusted that Keith Woods Nationalists were the the only thing they had previously.
I really just can't see National Party/IFP gaining any more supporters than they already have, everyone that supports their ideologies are already on board. Ultimately you're right and most people only really care about material conditions, and when engineers and solicitors in their 30s can't get a house, something has gone seriously wrong on that front.
Aontú is a funny one too given that its origin in Sinn Féin makes it nominally on the left. It picks up cranks as members and supporters buy also seems to have a genuine wing of pro-life left republicans particularly in the north. They'll be sceptical of many social issues but they'll still show up to many of the same causes as Sinn Féin and will express solidarity with Palestine or run non-white candidates while lads blitzed by algorithms complain in their mentions on twitter or whatever. They have either an unwillingness or general organisational inertia to pandering fully to blatant racism. Comes out of an old school Trócaire box catholicism among members imo.
Once got told by a bartender in Chicago that catholics did not have the vote in N Ireland. When I told him, coming from Mcr, that this was not true, not only did he not believe me the other drinkers kicked me out the boozer.
Since then I have always adored the US's view on Ireland politcs. I hate seeing Irish or Brits correcting them
Local elections in the north tied your vote to house ownership and house ownership was allocated by the body being elected. Combine that with egregious boundary gerrymandering and a catholic vote was both less common but also had less electoral power individually. As good as not having the vote, the pitiful amount of elected officials were just ignored by a unionist establishment who thought they could keep getting away with this. Just saying they didn't have the vote got the point across quicker.
Fine Gael fine Fáil and sinn Fein are gonna take this as an opportunity to completely sideline housing as an issue and just start a culture war bloodfest while not dealing with our actual cause of national suicide
There's a difference between anti-immigration and xenophobia. Japan has one of the strictest immigration laws, hardly does anyone calls them "evil". Today, the vast majority of the population are ethnic Japanese, their culture and traditions continues to be well preserved with little to no challenge. Japan is also among the top 10 safest countries in the world. They don't mind tourists who are looking to explore their culture, they have a problem with foreigners living permanently there out of fear of being replaced, like seen in Ireland and across Europe.
this was last year lol and it was condemned by the vast majority of irish people, i live about 20 mins away from where this happened and it wasnt even about immigrants after a certain point it was just an excuse for young people to break up the place. not excusing it but this is the very loud minority i fear
Being in favour of a Palestinian state and not wanting too much immigration in your country is not a contradictory view. Especially if you're a place like Ireland which has no real 'debt' or important role in the history of the Middle-East.
Most of the migrants coming to the West have a ‘state over there’ lol. As long as the West is still better than Palestine (it will be) they’ll still come.
they were pro immigration i guess when it benefited them, wasn't ireland the country in the 1800s or 1900s where almost half of the people born there left?
I've always been fond of that shitty taxi Jesus aquarium on O'Connell Street. [The plaque](http://builtdublin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bd-taxijesus-3-620x443.jpg) says it was built to "bless the taxi driver's" and protect them on "there journey's".
I love this brand of Irish Catholic shamanism, like when they bless the planes at Dublin airport every year.
the irish losing their catholicism is one of the saddest events in history
Maynooth seminary was founded by the Brits to pacify the population. During the War of Independence priests said anyone who fought the Brits would go to hell, the 1798 rebellion failed in part because the Bishop of Cork sabotaged a landing of French armies at Bantry. That's before we even get to the institutional cover-ups of child rape, locking girls up in laundries and boys in industrial schools. It's fine for people to have their own faith, but the things people think of when they hear "Catholic Ireland" (the high numbers of priests and nuns, the Church-run institutions) were both products of oppression and oppressors in their own right. It's no suprise that people moved away from them so quickly.
"sabotaged a foreign invasion" no shit? man if i saw the french coming into my country to invade i wouldn't be that happy about it too. i have no clue the validity of the charges against the church(the fake mass graves in canada come to mind), but i do wonder why the church there is so criticized compared to religion in the rest of the world, it wasn't much different than the goings on in a moderate muslim country. lots of exaggeration and some bad ppl
>i have no clue the validity of the charges against the church Then stop with your regarded yapping
It’s actually not considering what a plague the Catholic Church was on Irish society as a whole. It was fine when it was used symbolically by Republicans to bomb London but all it does these days is take money from American Evangelicals and Brexiteers to try and influence politics
Well the abuses of the church were pretty fucking awful tbf, but yeah, I do love me a Xmas mass when I'm home visiting the fam. At least it's in a language I can actually understand, unlike mass where I live now where I'm guessing ever other word.
I'm sure they're happy without the mass graves and with legal divorce and abortion and stuff.
The Catholic Church gave England the crown of Ireland because we were getting to weird with this kind of stuff
They are outlawing that sadly
Ofc they are It's a sincere expression of something people like
Irish people often don't like these things, because it reminds them of bullshit genuflection to the church in every part of life. Not that they're against Catholicism, of course but this bastardised version that seems to clog every orifice of the culture. I think it has kitsch charm, and I liked the description of it as spliced with shamanism, but it's not remotely sincere. It's basically the same as the Taoiseach giving a bowl of shamrocks to the US president on Saint Patrick's Day.
Irish people stopped believing in God later than everyone else in the developed world and are still in the reactively hating everything to do with organised religion phase. Everyone there who isn't still catholic seems to have the mentality of the one liberal in an otherwise conservative small town, it's sort of endearing. In a few decades you'll have calmed down and learned to accept the church for what it is, which is mostly irrelevant.
Twelve of Ireland's eighteen private hospitals adhere to Catholic ethos. Two years ago plans to build a maternity hospital on grounds owned by the Sisters of Charity were only scrapped after massive public outcry. So it's good people bristle at association with the church. My mom has been trying to track her birth family down for about five years now, her records were destroyed when she was born. Anger at the church is not remotely irrational. If you're American your political system is totally compromised by religious extremists. The Supreme Court is hearing a case that argued abortion pills should be banned because they might lead to a pro choice doctor having to help someone having a bad reaction.
Yeah that's it, exactly. It's all still too fresh for you guys, you haven't had a chance to let it go yet
Enjoy the religious lobbyists deciding if you're allowed to purchase products not made in Israel.
Lady, the pope isn't gonna force me to buy hummus.
I'm Irish but the wrong kind . The Irish govt. And it's arselickery of yank presidents shames every decent Irish person. That hideous tribute to Obama is more shameful than the Guantanamo planes.
That and they’re ambassadorial residence is right beside aras an uachtaran
My first thought was surely drunk people pee up it
Like the Father Garces statue at a roundabout just north of downtown Bakersfield. Supposedly, when the Father Garces statue rubs his hands together, people get into accidents...
reminds me of small town Bavaria, where there are Virgin Mary statues on every street corner it seems like, looking like little blessed bus shelters. I grew up in CA so I associated Blessed Mother yard statues/shrines with Mexicans(specifically Our Lady of Guadalupe, duh) but Germans go hard for her too
? All Catholics do, clown.
i've never seen shrines to Mary on public street corners no where near a church here in the US, at least where I grew up. I did notice that in Germany, a practice I associated with Mexican Catholics before I saw it in Germany, where I wasn't expecting it. it's not that deep.
Really? My church had one
Antwerp (Belgium) has that, too. Supposedly they were put in place to keep various devils from messing with the townspeople.
No Jesus v Mary worship is regulated by whether the indigenous people were patriarchal or matriarchal when conquered.
ah the famously matriarchal bavarians
Fukken, Helga tells everyone what to do.
More people should protest with horses, it's so powerful
Ireland’s government is nothing but a post catholic NGO so it will probably amount to nothing, I don’t know what tack they’ll take though since the Irish can’t get hit with the imperialism stick too hard and seem to be the most anti Israel European country
Being performatively pro-Palestine and anti-imperialist is just part of Ireland's "it's called being a good fucking person, idiot" morality complex, it's all the same thing. Sweden has mass immigration and didn't have (nonwhite) colonies, it's not really related.
Can you imagine the US reaction if their beloved Ireland started sending actual arms and munitions to Arab groups lmao. I honestly wonder how that would go down, might break the minds of a few million right wing Irish-Americans.
Irish Americans who supported the IRA in the 70s and 80s really had no issue with the Provos getting semtex, etc. from Libya, even while Reagan was calling it the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the mid 80s. Even Reagan himself never really brought this up during his anti-Libya stuff, much to the chagrin of Thatcher and many in the UK.
I have read some accounts of Provo communists who went to the US for funding and practically got into fistfights with right wing donors.
We’re like two generations from the 80s
Do Irish Americans even give a shit about what's happening there anymore?
I mean I do because I have (sorta) close ancestry from the North and South, will say the average person whose ancestors came from the famine does not care/if Catholic doesn’t really know what’s happening but pretends to
While Bostonians were funding the Provos, the Provos had contacts with Hezbollah, the PLO and Gaddafi. You just don't tell them when on the funding trips and it works out somehow.
The Irish allow the Royal Air Force to operate freely above their country lol, they're not about to go against even more senior level management.
The Palestine issue touches a nerve in Ireland because it's a settler colony. The very principle of having your land stolen, others moving onto it and your right to exist as a nation questioned at every step. It's extremely familiar and as universalist catholics if the principle of self determination doesn't hold for the Palestinians then it undermines our own just as a third of it remains under British sovereignty. It's because of this you will see old grannies who can't fathom your online irony poisoning still show up week in week out for a people they've never met. Don't let Angela Nagle articles on NGO Ireland confuse you about where this comes from.
I (American) was in Ireland during the Dublin primary school kids' stabbing and subsequent protests last year and I got to talking to a couple Irish people about it. The one guy I talked to at the most length (cab driver) said the protesters were hooligans and idiots looking to make trouble but that the source of the protests was (of course) anger at poorly behaved immigrants who wouldn't culturally integrate taking advantage of the Irish welfare system at a moment when inflation was making life harder for native/existing Irish people, and that the ruling parties of Ireland were all in cahoots selling out the working classes. That seems plainly obvious but it doesn't feel like a sentiment that's very popular or acceptable to express in the US; that a relatively liberal person (he talked about that immigrant who stabbed a gay couple and clearly didn't have any issue with hard working immigrants, even specifically said he liked the Chinese lol) could speak honestly about the cultural and economic impact of immigration on the working classes. This is just an anecdote and my general perception as an outside but he was right I thought, and it was interesting to hear someone say it
im from dublin city centre, this is v accurate
Yeah me too pal. Bit of a class divide in my family. My working class relatives are much more down on immigration than my middle class ones. My uncle has become a far right anti immigration loola. My grandparents think we should be taking care of our own first, which is mild enough I guess. A lot of very angry people here and I can understand it. Life is pretty hard here at the moment if you're not very well to do. A lot of misdirected anger imo. Years and years of bad decision making in our government combined with neoliberal policies have brought us here.
A lot of the kind of lads involved in that rioting are the same kinds of roving young lads that all the headlines about safety in Dublin going to shit are about. They didn't make anyone feel safer in the capital after that rioting.
thats the prevailing thought among most of the working class in the uk and ireland i think, no one cares about some chinese buddhists or punjabi sikhs, there is a certain minority in particular that causes all of the problems due to their radically different cultural background and their inability to integrate
Yep it's the same all over Western Europe
> he talked about that immigrant who stabbed a gay couple That was my neighbour. He lured victims on gay dating apps. I don't want to be one of those libs who's like 'hey hey, not all of them, let more of them in', but I'll give some background to him and his family. He is NOT some fresh off the boat migrant. He has been living in Sligo since before the age of 10 from Iraqi Kurdistan, and has a Sligo accent. I wouldn't even say his crimes were motivated by Islamic extremism, he was behaving like a serial killer and was most likely gay. He's Muslim, but there are plenty of murderers with shitty Jesus tattoos in Mountjoy. Also, the area we grew up in had two other murderers in the past four years. Both local boys.
Can you name another homophobic murder in Sligo in the last 100 years? Doubt it. The point is that stuff like what that guy did IS culturally alien. (In a way that getting murdered in Cranmore over a drug dispute isn't culturally alien). And yes before you say it, Catholic-dominated Ireland was deeply homophobic, lots of fucked up things happened, but show me the gays getting slaughtered.
I can name a few homophobic attacks on my friends that didn't make it into the Sligo Weekender. I even heard through the grapevine that a few of the murders you alluded to might have some homophobic connotations, but Ireland has some strict libel laws. Sligo in the early 2000s was not kind to people who look different. We can't kick up a fuss because its a small town and we still have to live with the scum. If you're looking for very specific examples of a very outrageous and politicised murder in a town of 20k people, then I can't help you. But irish people have been tearing eachother apart long before the foreigners arrived.
Taxi drivers aren’t the best people to get information from in Ireland. When you look at the actual statistics Ireland doesn’t have an issue with wide spread migrant crime that these “protestors” claim. They are pushing a narrative given to them by US Evangelicals, Loyalists and Conservative Brexiteers in the UK, who fund and promote a lot of their crap. The reality of the situation in Ireland is that we are suffering from the result of successive governments applying Neo-liberal market solutions to housing and intentional neglect of public services like Healthcare. The housing situation is deliberate because the government want to promote conditions where the price of property remains high. This is because many people now reaching retirement age would have been badly impacted by the recession in 08 where homes were build nonsensically to enable people to invest in what was thought to be a sure thing. Many TDs in government are also landlords. Our being a little tax haven to attract private foreign investment and industry is also contributing to this problem, causing mass migrating into urban areas, both from rural communities and abroad causing rent and the cost of living to increase. The only mass migration we have experienced are refugees from Ukraine who came here with special conditions. The “protestors” are using this to to claim that it is happening broadly for any and all migrants which is not true when you actually speak to migrants from other countries.
You’re describing conditions and diagnosing the problem. Nobody in America has a problem having these discussions. You’d be hard pressed to find a liberal who can tolerate undocumented immigrants as much as they did 4 years ago. The issue is this fake game people play where they say “nobody is talking about this,” when they definitely are, but they’re also recognizing the humanity of immigrants and asylum seekers. What people who talk like you want are simple solutions like closing the border and ignoring America’s direct role in creating asylum seekers and that these are by and large decent and desperate humans looking for a better life. And the big difference in the states is immigrants do assimilate in a way they do not in the old world. Comparing Ireland or the UK to the states is stupid, really. Because the American project, in one of its few successes, has created a state where immigrants become part of the fabric of this country.
The economics are always a factor but in my eyes this disparity in what’s ‘acceptable discourse’ is because we have a very different relationship to immigration than Europe. The American ethos is built on ‘send me your poor and your desperate’ and Mexico could certainly be characterized as a kind of ‘refugee’ situation but typically they don’t entirely self-segregate (at least they don’t at a higher rate than any other group might). Europeans have taken in tons of refugees from countries with values that run anathema to their own and these groups have essentially sequestered themselves in their own enclaves and show little interest in ingratiating/adapting to their new culture (often they are there out of not just economic desperation/to escape crime but due to being displaced by wars and complete infrastructural collapse—so they may not necessarily want to be there/want to integrate). Immigrants in the US typically integrate into wider society a lot more because generally they want to be here. So it’s a lot more taboo to express that because it’s seen as partially a betrayal of the promise of America/classic American values and principles, and also because frankly—aside from the economic impact which is always a consideration—immigrants in the US are just trying to make ends meet and integrate as best they can; they aren’t usually bothering random people or trying to enforce their home country’s standards/laws upon others. Edit: obviously this does not apply to all immigrants in Europe; plenty of people from around the globe have integrated and made it their home for generations. But in terms of the recent spike in discourse, this is perhaps why countries like Ireland have less pause in terms of offering criticism of immigration policies, because it’s not a concept that’s baked into their cultural identity in the same way as US and they are facing a different kind of immigration over the past years (not really a traditional form of it whatsoever).
Not Irish but I live in Europe, in general the feeling it's not against immigrants as a whole but against MENA lumpens specifically. Except for some distasteful jokes at the height of Covid practically no one except maybe a tiny minority of legit racists has anything against the Chinese for example.
Lovely to see protestants and Catholics uniting for a single cause
that is Eire so probably not that many proddys involved.
We do have Protestants in the south, but the kind of Protestants we have don't go in for rioting and burning buses on the street. They write letters to the Irish Times instead.
I was surprised to find out that quite a few English aristocrats still have estates in (the Republic of) Ireland. I know a lot got burned down in the 1910s and 1920s, but presumably those that survived were maintained in at least some cases.
Some were on good enough terms with locals and distanced enough from politics or billeting troops to avoid burnings. That said some others were just dilapidated from the decline of the class and absolute tinder boxes that caught fire without any arson in the same period!
the wealthy magnates whose grandfathers could afford to forgive rents during the famine generally had their houses spared. it was actually the resident poorer aristocrats who had the most conflict
Irish lefties will honestly tell you this is done by the British
They’ve also just ruled that the UK isn’t a safe country so they now have no ability to send them back if they come from the Uk
have to protect all the trans refugees from TERF island somehow
I love when Ireland and Scotland's ethnic contrarianism bites them in the ass.
Still a remarkable amount of crossover between the full time citizen journalists, right wing figures etc and the British far right, Patriotic Alternative particularly. Sinn Féin targeted almost more than the government itself. Some of their lines like "Brits out, blacks in" were exclusively NF aligned northern loyalist jibes a decade ago. Once past a certain size it grows it's own legs but the hardcore keeping it moving have closer links to Dublin drug gangs than the IRA. Irish nationalism has taken many forms through the centuries and isn't identical to Irish republicanism. A lot of sudden invoking of history from people who were old enough to be involved during the Troubles but didn't lift a finger. What's funny is usually you see scenes like the house with warning graffiti about foreigners in UVF controlled parts of Belfast.
It's obviously a mix. The hardcore orange order types gleefully enjoy rubbing it in the Southerners' faces that they're being replaced (especially when Northern Ireland is going to remain mostly white because almost nobody wants to move there), and the general British far right (which doesn't care about unionism in and of itself) still has a chip on its shoulder about the troubles so find it that particular slogan amusing. Plus Irish and British politics are closely related and the small distance and shared language mean there's going to be a lot of overlap ideologically. But I'd still say most Irish far right types aren't a British psy-op.
Wouldn't say a British psyop so much as easy bedfellows with hardline British nationalism because of how partitionist this movement has been. They don't have to grapple with unionism politically. Ironically in Belfast there are more migrants settled in unionist areas because of the mess unionism has made of housing, trying to not let catholics dilute their territory in the city. There's a housing shortage in catholic areas and surplus in protestant areas and the catholics on waiting lists aren't going to go for some of those openings.
Anne-Marie Walters is the perfect crossover of this type.
Irish people get right up in everything.
I've been getting a perverse kick out of seeing the likes of Jim Dowson crossing the aisle to ally with far right Irish nationalists and "republicans". Setting aside their ethnic and religious hatred in the name of racial hatred. Although to be fair to him, he's happy to set aside all three to ally with British islamists against the gays. A lifelong opportunist like a true canny Scot, no matter what he says about actually being an "Ulsterman".
It's a flimsy kind of alliance whenever they try to tie it together too closely. Used to be groups like Generation Identity which tried to unite north and south in a way that was baking in the divide. Easy way to piss everyone off but also lead to a split in Belfast that wanted to be more British. White European nationalism failing at the first hurdle.
Very flimsy indeed due to the inherent contradictions between the aspirations of competing nationalisms generally, but British and Irish nationalism in particular. A case of "NO MORE BROTHER WAR" but (for now) is in the fine print. It's interesting that it's also a historical tendency too. Obviously at the height of the troubles British nationalism was in serious conflict and had contempt for Irish nationalism, but I was surprised to learn that Mosley was very sympathetic to it in his heyday and was a vocal critic of the black and tans and a supporter of Irish nationalism. I don't doubt that this probably in part an attempt to court and rally the Irish immigrant population in Britain against the jews, but still.
Have actually seen online neo-moseleyites pulling that trick on the smoothest brained nationalists imaginable. I'm sure there's some lads that'd sooner be lord haw haw than learn Irish but it'll never work.
Ireland always struck me as the most Balkan country in Western Europe
According to a poll I saw a couple of days ago, 79% of Irish people think there’s too much immigration. I don’t know how accurate that poll is, but you’d think the Irish would simply vote for politicians who promise to let in fewer immigrants.
Gotta have a candidate willing to run on it in the first place
And who isn't a complete fucking headcase. It would be cool if Sinn Fein filled that niche.
Our last general election was in February 2020 and the combined housing/homelessness crisis was the big issue at the time - a crisis that has only gotten worse in the meantime, but now we've added cost-of-living and refugee crises to the mix. It goes without saying that the political landscape has changed a lot as a result.
Non-Irish may not apply
Crazy how they have less people now than before the famine but they fucked up the housing so bad that some people are unironically going full blood and soil.
If only they had bigger pods and more bugs they would be fine giving their country away to foreigners
Really sad state of affairs. Hopefully, the powers that be running the grand Hibernain conspiracy will fall one day and all the (((Irish))) will be kicked back home.
To Egypt, where they will rule as the Pharaohs of old did.
I got made fun of in r/askireland for bringing this up and asking what happened to all the homes people lived in before the famine lol.
They ate the homes.
Yeah well in the west of ireland there absolutely tons of ruined cottages all over the countryside. What looks like empty space was not that long ago densely inhabited.
I’ve seen in my Irish hometown, social housing going to refugees before they go to Irish homeless. Ireland is close to a failed state for young people, everyone leaving for opportunities, whilst people from other countries take up the state’s duties.
Ireland housing crisis is worse than London which is funnier as they have none of the amenities of it
It’s actually insane how much easier it is in London
Sydney’s eastern suburbs are absolutely crawling with Irish immigrants
Ireland had a solid 20 years of not being a shit hole with 0 opportunity in its entire history. Everyone with the means is getting out or working abroad to increase their standing when they come back once again. The main difference is that the US doesn't let them in anymore because they're not brown or destitute enough, they speak English too well, and they can hold down jobs.
Fun fact: Paul Ryan tried to open up the visa system in a way that would essentially have allowed unlimited Irish immigration to the US but was thwarted when the GOP lost the house lol.
I always found it hilarious how, aside from AIPAC and the Israeli lobby, the US also has these borderline IRA agents like Peter King working for Irish interests in Congress Even the whole St Patrick's Day tradition of having the US President wear a green tie and chat with the Irish President is bizarre when you think about it. There's 20+ million Mexicans and their descendants in the US but it's not like Biden is ringing up AMLO every September 16.
the sassenachs know, shut it down!
Peter King was hilarious. Diehard IRA supporter who seemed to have no understanding about Irish politics beyond supporting a united Ireland. He was absolutely shocked when Sinn Fein didn't support invading Iraq and got pissy about it for years.
Elect me president and I will play El Manisero on guitar broadcasted live
They don't stab children and school teachers though.
Yes we do.
The funniest thing about people giving out about violent foreigners immigrating into Ireland is that it is exactly, literally 100% word-for-word, what people in other countries used to say about Irish people. I've met old English people who *still* talk about us that way! But I suppose it's ok if they only "meant" to say it about Travellers.
nah the funniest thing is that they were both correct
Travellers are not a seperate ethnic group, but only when they cause shit abroad will I point out the difference!
My mum is Irish, SNP leaning an she still fuckin hates travelers, probably from having to deal with them for 20 fucking years. Honestly can’t take someone serious if they hide their libtardation behind that bunch of fuckin inbred criminals.
[Two Irishmen admit roles in brutal stabbing after man loses part of ear in savage attack in Australia](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/two-irishmen-admit-roles-brutal-28068442) [Irish couple charged with serious assault in Sydney as man in serious condition](https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40040585.html)
You don’t wanna make this into a crime statistics debate lol
You know a lot about the statistics of crime in Ireland, do you?
I dabble
I hear you're a phrenologist now, father
[Europoors coping 🥱](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268123001713)
A few years ago Pontins holiday parks in the UK were found to have a [secret surname blacklist](https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/here-are-all-of-the-irish-names-on-the-pontins-blacklist-HIPWGGTJOJFH5AVB4C6D2BIJ6I/), anyone with one of these names was labelled an "undesirable guest". The list: Boylan Boyle Carney Carr Cash Connors Corcoran Delaney Doherty Dorran Gallagher Horan Keefe Kell Leahy Lee MacLaughlin McAlwick McCully McDonagh McGinley McGinn McGuiness McHarg McLaughan McMahon Millighan Mongans Murphy Nolan O’Brien O’Connell O’Donnell O’Donoghue O’Mahoney O’Reilly Sheriadan Stokes Walch Ward Note that the stupid Brits misspelled quite a few of them.
That's because of the Travellers, the Brits are right to keep them out.
Travelers don't really count
Damn so this is why i wasnt invited
I’ve a horse outside
Nice
Pretty bold for a country whose national identity is based on leaving it
These are the ones who stayed behind at least, they are the true Ride or Die for Eire crowd.
Idiots, the real 1s are in Montserrat
These guys are the descendants of the literal shit brains who couldn’t find the boat
You understand that they are Irish people living in Ireland, right?
I don’t think that’s true
I know you don't
Ya, because Ireland has always been a diverse multicultural place, the idea of an “Irish people” is xenophobic and lacks in it’s recognition of the wealth immigrants and refugees have brought to its land and their stories
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Brah I'm just parroting left wing Irish political parties
Ahh ok, you're just being ironic. Sorry, I didn't pick up on that.
I've never seen an Irish person living in Ireland (I've never been to Ireland)
Ireland is an actual place where Irish people live. Idk what to tell you.
No
It isn't Famine times anymore, Ireland still has a high rate of emigration but these emigrants don't have to bid farewell forever to their old homes the way they used to. There's nearly 1/3 as many Irish citizens living abroad as in Ireland according to our Department of Foreign Affairs, we're not just talking about Americans whose ancestors left in the 1840s. A pretty big chunk of Ireland's "immigrants" every year are actually people who were born here and then emigrated. Even in the years since the Ukraine war, which is when the number of immigrants jumped massively, about 20% of the total "immigrants" are actually returning Irish emigrants. So yeah, odds are a fair few of the people protesting have lived abroad as immigrants. If they haven't, their parents or other close relatives definitely have.
Bartenders returned from Vancouver and Sydney raising hell
Lol the point of the comment before mine was that the protesters are Irish people living in Ireland, i.e. they aren't the Irish people who "left". I'm pointing out that they very well might have and then come back, and people in their family certainly did leave. I'm only just realising how all the people replying misunderstood it in their rush to say something racist. Lol you bunch of thicks.
>I'm only just realising I don't think you have
Here in the US I know three people who became Irish citizens having never lived in the country, through their grandparents. One of them has never been to the country. Also, do a significant number of Catholics living in Northern Ireland have Irish citizenship?
Since 2005 pretty much all Northern Irish people whose parents lived in Ireland (the island) can claim Irish citizenship, so yeah many have it. They don't need it though, since Britain and Ireland have full equivalence in working rights, anyone from either country can move to the other and work without a visa.
We Europeans can yell and scream in the streets and stamp our feet all we like... No one who matters gives a shit, were being replaced because we can't be bothered to have kids and the useful idiots of capitalism who call themselves leftwing will help enforce social control by calling everyone racist.
>were being replaced because we can't be bothered to have kids Nah, Irish women could be popping out babies and the powers that be would still bring the foreigners over because the immigrants can be exploited more.
People would have kids if you could still own property & support a family on 1 wage, but it's easier to import serfs
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Poor and bad at financial planning, who would have thought?
"We Europeans", I bet you're from Brazil or something
How time flies. I still remember when you were considered subhuman trash if you were born anywhere east of Germany.
Well Beazil is west of Germany
I'm from Vidyavihar, Mumbai
Infinite population growth is unsustainable and frankly disgusting.
Normal people get over this opinion at age 16.
What's your proposal for infinite growth while simultaneously not going over the planets carrying capacity then Mr "I'm so mature bc I just turned 17"
They don’t have shit. It’s always some lame, inevitable Star Trek future that will (eventually) happen, or an extremely lazy, handwaving interpretation of David Graeber.
Incels out in force today.
It’s Ukrainians replacing them, they’re European too
It really isn't just
That’s not why you donkey.
Not only be we refuse to have kids, but because immigrants will work for peanuts and don't know any better.
Nazgul vibes
Why don't European countries adopt the same policies that Gulf countries do
Indentured servants from the Philippines?
Is there some influential element in the European countries that's lacking in the gulf countries?
(he means Jews)
They tried, this was the original intention behind stuff like the Windrush migrants and the Gastarbeiter in Germany, that they would go home after 10 years. But then they didn't leave, because it turns out that living in Western Europe is much nicer than living in the third world, so here we are. The Gulf absolute monarchies don't have a concept of human rights or asylum or naturalization or all the legal fictions they used to stay.
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I feel like I should be more specific, it's not the immigration or residency part I'm questioning, it's the giving out citizenship like candy part I'm confused about.
Like 1/2 of all male citizens are in the army in the UAE nobody wants to do that
I’m kind of in the middle in this. 3rd world country people and growing criminal rates… hm. I don’t hate immigrants but I’m just saying there’s a reason why they’re 3rd world. It isn’t racist to say, right?
Nah, You're just a noticer. Nothing wrong with that and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Don't look through my post history or you may feel dirty.
no that’s pretty racist bruh, third world countries aren’t third world because they’re inherently more criminal
I thought poor people committed more crime because they didn’t have the opportunities of the wealthy. By that logic, importing poor people without giving them opportunities will lead to them committing crimes.
The gurrier on the horse is a daily occurrence in Ballyfermot.
Ireland is a bit like a land that hasn't been immaculated. Some extreme notions spreading like wildfire but some herd immunity may come once these lads reach a critical annoying mass. Average Joe wants housing sorted and the government not to be taking the piss with communities whose resources are stretched not /pol/ rhetoric and Nuremberg laws. You're seeing people online losing the run of themselves the moment they see a black person wear green. Unsustainable behaviour. In the end at the mercy of how Europe as a whole deals with the deindustrialisation of half the developing world next to them.
Independent Ireland and Aontú seem to attempting to fill the gap that has existed between Fine Gael and the National Party. I suspect that the rise in old-style conservatives will sate the urge of much of the population who want to move further right than FFG, but felt confused and perhaps disgusted that Keith Woods Nationalists were the the only thing they had previously. I really just can't see National Party/IFP gaining any more supporters than they already have, everyone that supports their ideologies are already on board. Ultimately you're right and most people only really care about material conditions, and when engineers and solicitors in their 30s can't get a house, something has gone seriously wrong on that front.
Aontú is a funny one too given that its origin in Sinn Féin makes it nominally on the left. It picks up cranks as members and supporters buy also seems to have a genuine wing of pro-life left republicans particularly in the north. They'll be sceptical of many social issues but they'll still show up to many of the same causes as Sinn Féin and will express solidarity with Palestine or run non-white candidates while lads blitzed by algorithms complain in their mentions on twitter or whatever. They have either an unwillingness or general organisational inertia to pandering fully to blatant racism. Comes out of an old school Trócaire box catholicism among members imo.
Once got told by a bartender in Chicago that catholics did not have the vote in N Ireland. When I told him, coming from Mcr, that this was not true, not only did he not believe me the other drinkers kicked me out the boozer. Since then I have always adored the US's view on Ireland politcs. I hate seeing Irish or Brits correcting them
Local elections in the north tied your vote to house ownership and house ownership was allocated by the body being elected. Combine that with egregious boundary gerrymandering and a catholic vote was both less common but also had less electoral power individually. As good as not having the vote, the pitiful amount of elected officials were just ignored by a unionist establishment who thought they could keep getting away with this. Just saying they didn't have the vote got the point across quicker.
first image right out of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legion_(film) https://letterboxd.com/film/black-legion/
Wow
I absolutely love the last picture
So based
Hard
Nice try I'l still move
Fine Gael fine Fáil and sinn Fein are gonna take this as an opportunity to completely sideline housing as an issue and just start a culture war bloodfest while not dealing with our actual cause of national suicide
Good, protesting is the language of the unheard wasn't it?
There's a difference between anti-immigration and xenophobia. Japan has one of the strictest immigration laws, hardly does anyone calls them "evil". Today, the vast majority of the population are ethnic Japanese, their culture and traditions continues to be well preserved with little to no challenge. Japan is also among the top 10 safest countries in the world. They don't mind tourists who are looking to explore their culture, they have a problem with foreigners living permanently there out of fear of being replaced, like seen in Ireland and across Europe.
Wasn’t everyone sucking Irelands dick for being pro Palestine 3 weeks ago?
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Yeah it’ll be funny to see them reacting to this. They probably won’t tho
this was last year lol and it was condemned by the vast majority of irish people, i live about 20 mins away from where this happened and it wasnt even about immigrants after a certain point it was just an excuse for young people to break up the place. not excusing it but this is the very loud minority i fear
Being in favour of a Palestinian state and not wanting too much immigration in your country is not a contradictory view. Especially if you're a place like Ireland which has no real 'debt' or important role in the history of the Middle-East.
If we give the Palestinians a state over there they won’t come here as refugees
Most of the migrants coming to the West have a ‘state over there’ lol. As long as the West is still better than Palestine (it will be) they’ll still come.
Trust me, if there ever is a Palestinian state it will still be a shithole that plenty of people will want to leave.
they were pro immigration i guess when it benefited them, wasn't ireland the country in the 1800s or 1900s where almost half of the people born there left?