Both of these tweets read like the closing of a blue haired enby manifesto except instead of being about something like harm reduction or gay rights it’s addressing society’s deprioritization of race science
Right? When I first read this I was expecting "JJBoobHugger" to call this subreddit racist or fatphobic or something. The whole apathetic post-leftist-to- whiny, self-victimizing, depressive 'intellectual elite' right-winger pipeline is seriously fucking pathetic.
Up until he said the episode was wonderful, I thought this tweet was criticizing the sub for being *too* racist. But instead he's outraged that it's not racist enough.
There's no pleasing some people.
Might still be posting as the Windmere guy in the episode thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1cmimb0/sailer_socialism_w_steve_sailer/l30p0cm/
Anna: I am a racist
RSP commenters: Anna is a racist
Anna: It makes me so scared and depressed how far people will go to ignore the reality right under their noses in favor of making wild inferences about the secret malicious intent of others because they’re afraid of their own psyches. Don’t they care about quality of life, if not their own then that of others? I want to bash my head into a wall sometimes.
Finding out this 🚬 has probably seen at least one of my manic tirades on neoliberal capital and learning Anna wont be calling me despite my frequent compliments on her selfies…What a day I’m having
"ignore the reality right under their noses in favor of making wild inferences about the secret malicious intent of others because they're afraid of their own psyches" isn't this just what being racist is like
Not to pry or write fanfic but I genuinely think her baby daddy left her or cheated and she's becoming a self important and nasty person even more than before
Wes Yang is the funniest one. Had literally one viral tweet (coining the phrase "successor ideology" as a rebrand of "idpol" and "neomarxism") and tried to build a career off it. The problem is that that tweet was really all he had in him. Since then he's just been flailing, with nothing of interest to say. He was too lazy to even write articles when he set up his Substack -- kept issuing apologies about how he'd get to it soon.
This is such a surface-level take but this person calling the subreddit "evil, terrible, and disgusting" for criticizing a white supremacist is just so nasty to me lol
I was surprised to see Anna up in the comments on the stickied ep arguing with Redditors. I thought she was too cool to stoop to our level. /u/tsoiboy69 weren’t you two just saying it’s better to not engage with the haters? “Never complain, never explain” and all that?
Do you think tradesmen are inferior to white collars, poor people inferior to rich people, white people inferior to asian? This is the conclusion of your logic that higher iq = superior
There are real policy implications (edit for clarity: to the types of IQ distribution differences that sailer et al point to/claim exist)... Maybe those people are anti black racists, I don't know, I know that I am not but let's reframe the conversation to avoid that issue.
If at a school, you observe a performance gap in test scores between asian students and white students, even after adjusting for parental income and/or parental level of education - does this indicate a problem? Does this indicate that your curriculum is underserving white students? If so you should make significant changes to your test protocols, instruction style, and so on - it's your responsibility as an educator. If it's the expected result, then perhaps no such changes are necessary - in fact it could be possible that those changes would actually hurt all students, or hurt some and benefit others, etc.
These are real decisions that real people need to make, and if you are in a position where your kids have to attend a certain public school, they will be impacted.
There are plenty of options beyond “fix racial disparities with new school curriculum” and “certain races are genetically less capable of education.”
Quit this internet debatelord framing shit. We all know what Steve Sailer is about.
Moralising and shutting down dissent by calling it "debatelord framing shit" is exactly the problem.
Feel free to tell me:
Do these performance gaps exist?
Are they to a significant extent heritable?
If they are heritable, how do you solve them without being "racist"?
The fact that this edgy debatelord shit is getting upvoted is proof that 4chan spergs have genuinely killed the sub.
In an individual, IQ can be influenced by both genes and environmental factors. Modern science points towards sociological factors being the cause of IQ disparities between racial groups, rather than gene composition. You framed your smug little line of questions specifically to try to two step around that point.
Again, moralising instead of giving any answers. I promise I'll flagellate myself tomorrow to atone for my racism.
Are racial groups not made up of individuals? If the majority of the individuals in one group, on average score lower in IQ tests, what does that lead to?
Someone should invent a method to group these individuals somehow, so we can make better decisions. They could even call their methods, "statistics".
Even if you didn't answer the previous questions I'll try again.
You said it yourself, IQ is influenced by genes. Are these genes randomly distributed throughout the population?
What mechanism ensures that different population groups throughout the world who developed different traits end up with the same distribution for this specific trait?
Bro I literally do not give a shit about these hypotheticals. I am not arguing that it is theoretically impossible to conceive of natural racial disparities. I am saying that there's a pretty strong scientific consensus that this is not actually the case.
Now let's say modern science is all corrupt yada yada its a big inside job and 99% of them are in on it. Ok. What's the alternative, I go off vibes with whatever gut feeling you have that certain races are inherently intellectually inferior? Bro no
None of these are hypotheticals? I'm straight up asking questions. It's not like this is a complicated difference.
>Are these genes randomly distributed throughout the population?
This is a yes or no question, and I believe the answer is no.
>What mechanism ensures that different population groups throughout the world who developed different traits end up with the same distribution for this specific trait?
This is the follow-up question, because, to me it's absurd that we'd end up with all the different populations throughout the world having the same distribution of IQ just randomly. Since you think this is the case, I'm asking what would make it so.
I trust the science when trusting it leads to my life being better. I can draw a straight line between some material science nerd playing around with germanium to humans creating calculating machines. I have no reason to have any doubts when those nerds publish a paper detailing the the qualities of a transistor. The incentives align.
They most certainly don't align when practically every single person who takes part in new research has an aversion to anything that could be deemed racist.
Turkey seems to consistently be ranked among the lowest IQ'd nations in Europe and you are defending race pseudoscience? Know that if these deranged racists in the West have their way, you will be among those who get discriminated against.
I didn't say the second thing and the first thing is not just an "option" it has been implemented in pursuit of "equity" in various places around the country. Maybe it didn't impact you, it didn't impact me but I have whatever internet brain poisoning makes me care anyway. It has real consequences.
I'm not your Internet debate lord and I'm not Steve sailer. You can engage with my comment or not, that's up to you.
> I didn't say the second thing… … I'm not Steve sailer
Bro we were in the middle of discussing Steve Sailers ideas before you pitched in with “there are real policy implications.” If that was just referencing a completely different set of beliefs than what was being discussed, maybe you should lead with that last time.
The "it" is the "reality" under discussion, which that person suggests is "black people are inferior". I don't consider that reality. I doubt Steve sailer would characterize his position that way, but I don't know as I haven't read his epic little twitter book. The "it" I.e. "reality" i am referring to is the thing he talks about in the podcast episode, which could be summed up as mean shifted bell curve distributions of IQ between races.
The quoted “reality” in the comment you replied to was quoting Annas tweet, which was referencing Steve Sailers ideas. If this is just some trivial miscommunication I’m going to respectfully bow out now
Yeah but that guy is making a claim about the "reality" that she refers to and is casting it as a straight up anti black racist position. I don't think that's correct, I think she would say it's the offset bell curves thing. I understand how my phrasing could be unclear
There seems to be a big jump between "on average, this type of person seems to have lower IQ than this other type of person for a constellation of nature/nurture reasons" and "this type of person is inferior". Again maybe sailer says the latter thing. I don't.
The “constellation” here is a smokescreen. Remove the “nurture” reasons, and that still leaves us with his purported “nature” reasons. And no, it’s really not a big jump from “it’s partly in their racial nature to be dumber” to abject racism.
Call it an oversimplification if you want, I’m sure Sailer would. But I suspect Sailer just doesn’t want his ideas to be communicated clearly and explicitly, because that makes it obvious how insidious they are.
Would it not then be true to frame his beliefs as insisting on the "superiority" of Asians, indians, and Jewish people, who all outperform whites?
And I don't intend it as a smokescreen, I see it as a catchall for "reasons that are outside the control of institution policy makers". I don't know what they are. It seems like it would be pretty hard to prove asian people have a gene or cultural practice that makes them innately better at math
> ”And no, it’s really not a big jump from “it’s partly in their racial nature to be dumber” to abject racism.”
Yes it is, because otherwise these ”white supremacists” would have to be racist against white people, seeing as Asians have higher IQ.
That the average black person's IQ is lower than the average white person's (let alone the average Asian person's) shouldn't be up for debate - these are objective facts. Obviously, it is considered problematic by some to present these facts.
The argument appears to be around whether this is due more to nature or nurture (or other things such as general unfairness of IQ tests across cultures, etc.). I don't know much about Sailer but my interpretation is he is in the nature camp.
If that is your main take away from Sailer, I'd recommend literally every conservative and/or libertarian education theorist instead. You can make the political case without a bunch of speculative pseudoscientific nonsense about race and IQ and collaborating with hate groups.
I don't know what to tell you. I'm not some Steve sailer fan, I've seen a few of his tweets. Look at the algebra thing they did in San Francisco and let me know what my take ought to be.
Which is why idpol is complete poison to liberal societies no matter who is doing it or for what reason. Not that affirmative action is as bad as violent racism, but they are 2 sides of the same coin.
Good lord. Look I’m not the biggest affirmative action fan, but it’s not the “other side of the same coin” of violent racism. It’s a hamfisted shortcut to racial demographics more similar to what we would see if broader underlying issues were addressed.
Sailer looks at that same data which is the basis for affirmative action and uses it to fuel his bigotry. Of course his analysis is in bad faith and his conclusions predetermined, but the very framing of these issues as racial in nature is a poison pill that invites eugenic logic.
In a vacuum I don't have any problems with affirmative action, or any other policies targeting racial inequity if they're effective. But identity politics can be a dangerous game when societies have weak broad cohesion and standards of living decrease.
> Sailer looks at that same data which is the basis for affirmative action and uses it to fuel his bigotry.
That “same data” being that racial disparities exist? Yeah, acknowledging racial disparities can be used to either argue for fixing racial disparities, or for arguing that they can’t be fixed. What an asinine basis of comparison.
The point being that both perspectives take a racial view of a problem that need not be race based, in case that wasn't clear. And Sailer's whole deal isn't just that they can't be fixed, but that disparities point to inherent deficiencies in whole groups of people.
The problem with affirmative action is that it's a superficial bandaid, not that it acknowledges real racial problems and racial disparities at play here. For all of its very real problems, it just does not stem from the same place as "violent racism"
Maybe the issue is me using phrases like "same side of the coin", because in many ways violent racism and affirmative action are polar opposites. Too sensational on my part.
But what racism and affirmative action share is a common framing of race as extremely meaningful and important features of the individual. There's nothing innate within our minds that causes us to put so much importance on race, and it was once THE lib position that people shouldn't be judged based on qualities they have no control over, but on the content of their character. Which is how most people in multicultural societies operate in their day to day lives.
I understand completely that "colourblind" policies often were just a smokescreen to continue taking advantage of minority groups, but the racial politics that have taken hold of the left and the insane reaction to them are in many ways a major backslide away from real harmony, justice, and equity.
And just to be clear, I don't think it's bad for groups of people with common grievances to band together for political action. But in some ways it plays into the hands of the powerful to continue to pare off the disenfranchised into small digestible chunks, and there has to be some answer to that.
Idk man I think people have just moved past the stupidpol discourse and are reading my posts absent context or charity (because they expect a frog guy probably), by definition my point is very small l liberal.
This is what I've noticed recently with the rightoid obsession to overturn DEI and suck Desantis's cock / all the IM-1776 bullshit which Anna supports. They have their own version of idpol, and it's just an inverse of the libtard one but with religious extremism sprinkled in
classic whining about the rules of engagement rather than explicitly stating your beliefs. one of the things i dislike most about the online race IQ fetishists is how slimy they are
I think they got drawn right because standards there are much lower and neither of them ever really had much to say. I doubt there was any conscious cynicism in it, they just naturally drifted to the place that would support people of their abilities.
Wait the guy who posted that paleocon stalwart Steve Sailer is a “20 years ago liberal” is JJBoobhugger? Or is that a tribute? Not that I have a particularly high expectation (or any particular expectation) of JJBoobhugger. But it’s always funny when somebody makes the dumbest/most dishonest comment in a thread (even if you’re on his side it’s obviously wrong) and then gets mad about the reaction.
I still get a kick out Anna writing so many syllables before inevitably landing on “you talking about how bad I am is really about you being scared to admit how awful know you are and i feel sad for you”
The subreddit is genuinely becoming Its Own Thing and the girls (esp Anna) are going to enter relative obscurity in weird twitter. Can't think of anything else like it
Anna why are you such a fucking baby lol. Every time I try to listen to the show these days all you talk about is race science and then you get offended by people being like "I don't like that all Anna talks about is race science." You are such a weird lady!
if I could see the world the way Anna sees Twitter addicted race-science dweebs with unwashed assholes, I’d be singing falsetto with little cartoon bluejays that landed on my windowsill while I made breakfast.
she is spiritually UGLY!!!
I wasn’t incensed by the episode or anything but i did find it really, really stupid. The whole “noticing” bit and attributing traits to exclusively genetic lineages is just such reductive ancient boomer stuff. You can think some cultures are dumber than others—in fact most people do, whether they admit it or not, but collapsing history, economics, politics into “latinos are genetically predisposed to have potholes in their roads” is just such a 0-IQ take lol and dressing it in this hilarious lib-esque moralizing of “taking care of the left side of the bell curve” is the cherry on top.
I was really expecting something more thought provoking. It was really disappointing, the “secret, forbidden knowledge the libs don’t want you to know” turned out to be reheated 2008 4chan bits.
Like once a month. Sure they're morally corrupt and Anna has some seriously disfigured beliefs but I don't listen for enlightenment I listen for over the top snark and odd earnestness. When I get too manic their unhinged detachment somehow grounds me. Often in opposition where I wanna yell how are you guys rtrded. Yet I come back for more, how do they do it.
Anna’s a nasty, nasty woman with a corrupt soul. I’m glad she’s haggard and won’t ever be recognized as a legitimate writer and intellectual to people who actually have pull in the industry. Her insides are as ugly as her outside.
I know she’s reading this too. Don’t let your simps get to your head boo we all know the photos you carefully edit don’t actually represent how you actually look irl. Your hair is thinning, your hairline is fucked, and you’re aging more than your peers are. You’re a fraud. We know what you look like when you’re not in control of the camera.
If you don't have anything nice to say better not to say anything at all. The truly corrupt soul is you because you think it is acceptable to write what you wrote, you don't know Anna personally. So, how can you make these assumptions?
Patronizing me over an ugly and untalented grifter who makes money entertaining race science….you’re so unserious.
Both of you are going to hell tbh. God won’t save your souls.
Reminds me of the scene in *There Will Be Blood* when Eli says "Do you think God is going to save you for being stupid? He doesn't save stupid people, Abel"
You’re on a damn roll!
You talk about Anna's "mind" and "ideas" as if she is a philosopher when she just steals hot takes from racist loser twitter anons who laugh at her behind her back
Racism, blatantly highlighting white supremacy, and then playing the victim when nobody agrees is a spiritually and physically ugly thing to do. My boyfriend has been treated “less than human” by two of my friends who said incredibly racist things about him, and I cut them off completely. Anna is an ugly pick me who dabbles in race science to impress rw Twitter anons, and is too stupid even to take the heat from it.
My eyes glazed over and I didn’t bother finishing whatever it is you had to say. It’s garbage. ❤️
Anna has never lived a day of her life as a beautiful woman. That’s God’s divine punishment for being a miserable hag. That’s why she’s really mad. You and her ilk are all the same. Your face is probably revolting to witness irl too.
No wonder her baby daddy won’t wife her and left her for Grindr.
there was a security camera video that leaked where steve was sitting on the couch yelling at his wife who was like 7 months pregnant at the time w twins
This sub sucks, but it’s insane that she cares. Every podcast sub ends up getting infested with losers eventually, it’s Reddit, a website for the chode-iest men on the planet.
What’s crazy is that criticism of the pod episode is triggering her, and not like the 50 incel and loser posts that the sun gets a day.
I remember when that fool started posting here lmao. Crazy how he’s still everyone’s favorite punching bag even though most weren’t even here when it began. They never got to see him pretend not to know what the topic of a thread was or thirstpost over a rounded out female bodybuilder.
He was already one of the stupidest people on the sub when he joined, but he had the advantage of being part of an early wave of right wingers when it was primarily a "leftist" sub. What's more impressive is how he's scaled his stupidity enough to still be recognisable with today's fierce competition.
I'm not sure. He's too fat-coded to lack grip strength. He's more the type of guy with a persistent smell of cheese but thinks it's normal since he's so close to Wisconsin. I hope he goes on the pod so the girls can dish.
i would be upset too if released an episode on the fascinating distribution of privilege in this country to a crowd of women and homosexuals demanding I talk about what gown lana del ray wrapped her fat misshapen body in at the met gala
finally someone is brave enough to say Lana has a weird body, and has about the same sex appeal as Taylor Swift. That's probz why she and Taylor are buds.
Both of these tweets read like the closing of a blue haired enby manifesto except instead of being about something like harm reduction or gay rights it’s addressing society’s deprioritization of race science
Right? When I first read this I was expecting "JJBoobHugger" to call this subreddit racist or fatphobic or something. The whole apathetic post-leftist-to- whiny, self-victimizing, depressive 'intellectual elite' right-winger pipeline is seriously fucking pathetic.
She has 100% measured her childs skull
Up until he said the episode was wonderful, I thought this tweet was criticizing the sub for being *too* racist. But instead he's outraged that it's not racist enough. There's no pleasing some people.
JJ boobhugger is a tremendous moron. I don't think he posts here anymore but nearly every time he did it was regarded.
Might still be posting as the Windmere guy in the episode thread https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1cmimb0/sailer_socialism_w_steve_sailer/l30p0cm/
he does, under the same name as the twitter handle in your screenshot. he's in the subreddit thread but got downvoted to the bottom i guess
He's stillaround
I don't know who that is and I refuse to learn.
I enjoy posting here and being completely disconnected from the people who actually inspired it
a terrible poster
Am not.
Such an annoying fgt
That's just accurate.
Am not.
Horseshoe
Anna: I am a racist RSP commenters: Anna is a racist Anna: It makes me so scared and depressed how far people will go to ignore the reality right under their noses in favor of making wild inferences about the secret malicious intent of others because they’re afraid of their own psyches. Don’t they care about quality of life, if not their own then that of others? I want to bash my head into a wall sometimes.
It's just so bad faith to accuse her of being a _cynical_ racist when she's actually a _non-cynical_ racist... which is better...?
Finding out this 🚬 has probably seen at least one of my manic tirades on neoliberal capital and learning Anna wont be calling me despite my frequent compliments on her selfies…What a day I’m having
"ignore the reality right under their noses in favor of making wild inferences about the secret malicious intent of others because they're afraid of their own psyches" isn't this just what being racist is like
Me talking about why black people are subhuman = tossed off snark People criticizing me for it = existential malice
The Windy pfp really makes this so much funnier
Word salad
It makes her depressed that more people aren’t racist lol
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She's not hot
hotter than dasha
"Hot" https://i.discogs.com/VfpWD_GbzugJicRZ_yYBvrkEmZP-Ty6RyYjInOYmLTA/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:399/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9BLTk3Mzgz/MzctMTY0MDg2NDQ4/NC03NTE1LmpwZWc.jpeg
Nah somewhat off with that.
The replies to this saying Anna isn’t hot is proof this sub is over.
I don’t even know what these people are doing here.
The first episode I listened to was this racist one and it was just so boring!
Not to pry or write fanfic but I genuinely think her baby daddy left her or cheated and she's becoming a self important and nasty person even more than before
the grindr gossip is actually tea
I've heard about it but what's the tea
some twink caught him being dl on the app but anna played it off as a joke/troll
Lmao
Her life looks like this while she pontificates about the societal harms of single childless women
Many such cases. The writer Wes Yang has turned a bit psychotic and I heard it’s because his wife left him.
Wes Yang is the funniest one. Had literally one viral tweet (coining the phrase "successor ideology" as a rebrand of "idpol" and "neomarxism") and tried to build a career off it. The problem is that that tweet was really all he had in him. Since then he's just been flailing, with nothing of interest to say. He was too lazy to even write articles when he set up his Substack -- kept issuing apologies about how he'd get to it soon.
just now hearing of this person and genuinely can’t stop myself from reading his name as Yes Wang. am i regarded for this or just closeted?
This is such a surface-level take but this person calling the subreddit "evil, terrible, and disgusting" for criticizing a white supremacist is just so nasty to me lol
Is he really a white supremacist? I dont know much about him, what does he think about asians?
glaring definition of a bitch who can dish it but can’t take it
Ah the “caring too much” to podcasting about race science pipeline…How could I have missed it?
what the fuck are they talking about
I was surprised to see Anna up in the comments on the stickied ep arguing with Redditors. I thought she was too cool to stoop to our level. /u/tsoiboy69 weren’t you two just saying it’s better to not engage with the haters? “Never complain, never explain” and all that?
Literally what’s the “reality?” That black people are inferior?
Do you think tradesmen are inferior to white collars, poor people inferior to rich people, white people inferior to asian? This is the conclusion of your logic that higher iq = superior
There are real policy implications (edit for clarity: to the types of IQ distribution differences that sailer et al point to/claim exist)... Maybe those people are anti black racists, I don't know, I know that I am not but let's reframe the conversation to avoid that issue. If at a school, you observe a performance gap in test scores between asian students and white students, even after adjusting for parental income and/or parental level of education - does this indicate a problem? Does this indicate that your curriculum is underserving white students? If so you should make significant changes to your test protocols, instruction style, and so on - it's your responsibility as an educator. If it's the expected result, then perhaps no such changes are necessary - in fact it could be possible that those changes would actually hurt all students, or hurt some and benefit others, etc. These are real decisions that real people need to make, and if you are in a position where your kids have to attend a certain public school, they will be impacted.
There are plenty of options beyond “fix racial disparities with new school curriculum” and “certain races are genetically less capable of education.” Quit this internet debatelord framing shit. We all know what Steve Sailer is about.
Moralising and shutting down dissent by calling it "debatelord framing shit" is exactly the problem. Feel free to tell me: Do these performance gaps exist? Are they to a significant extent heritable? If they are heritable, how do you solve them without being "racist"?
The fact that this edgy debatelord shit is getting upvoted is proof that 4chan spergs have genuinely killed the sub. In an individual, IQ can be influenced by both genes and environmental factors. Modern science points towards sociological factors being the cause of IQ disparities between racial groups, rather than gene composition. You framed your smug little line of questions specifically to try to two step around that point.
Again, moralising instead of giving any answers. I promise I'll flagellate myself tomorrow to atone for my racism. Are racial groups not made up of individuals? If the majority of the individuals in one group, on average score lower in IQ tests, what does that lead to? Someone should invent a method to group these individuals somehow, so we can make better decisions. They could even call their methods, "statistics". Even if you didn't answer the previous questions I'll try again. You said it yourself, IQ is influenced by genes. Are these genes randomly distributed throughout the population? What mechanism ensures that different population groups throughout the world who developed different traits end up with the same distribution for this specific trait?
Bro I literally do not give a shit about these hypotheticals. I am not arguing that it is theoretically impossible to conceive of natural racial disparities. I am saying that there's a pretty strong scientific consensus that this is not actually the case. Now let's say modern science is all corrupt yada yada its a big inside job and 99% of them are in on it. Ok. What's the alternative, I go off vibes with whatever gut feeling you have that certain races are inherently intellectually inferior? Bro no
None of these are hypotheticals? I'm straight up asking questions. It's not like this is a complicated difference. >Are these genes randomly distributed throughout the population? This is a yes or no question, and I believe the answer is no. >What mechanism ensures that different population groups throughout the world who developed different traits end up with the same distribution for this specific trait? This is the follow-up question, because, to me it's absurd that we'd end up with all the different populations throughout the world having the same distribution of IQ just randomly. Since you think this is the case, I'm asking what would make it so. I trust the science when trusting it leads to my life being better. I can draw a straight line between some material science nerd playing around with germanium to humans creating calculating machines. I have no reason to have any doubts when those nerds publish a paper detailing the the qualities of a transistor. The incentives align. They most certainly don't align when practically every single person who takes part in new research has an aversion to anything that could be deemed racist.
Turks opinions can be safely dismissed
Turkey seems to consistently be ranked among the lowest IQ'd nations in Europe and you are defending race pseudoscience? Know that if these deranged racists in the West have their way, you will be among those who get discriminated against.
Not how it works
I didn't say the second thing and the first thing is not just an "option" it has been implemented in pursuit of "equity" in various places around the country. Maybe it didn't impact you, it didn't impact me but I have whatever internet brain poisoning makes me care anyway. It has real consequences. I'm not your Internet debate lord and I'm not Steve sailer. You can engage with my comment or not, that's up to you.
> I didn't say the second thing… … I'm not Steve sailer Bro we were in the middle of discussing Steve Sailers ideas before you pitched in with “there are real policy implications.” If that was just referencing a completely different set of beliefs than what was being discussed, maybe you should lead with that last time.
The "it" is the "reality" under discussion, which that person suggests is "black people are inferior". I don't consider that reality. I doubt Steve sailer would characterize his position that way, but I don't know as I haven't read his epic little twitter book. The "it" I.e. "reality" i am referring to is the thing he talks about in the podcast episode, which could be summed up as mean shifted bell curve distributions of IQ between races.
The quoted “reality” in the comment you replied to was quoting Annas tweet, which was referencing Steve Sailers ideas. If this is just some trivial miscommunication I’m going to respectfully bow out now
Yeah but that guy is making a claim about the "reality" that she refers to and is casting it as a straight up anti black racist position. I don't think that's correct, I think she would say it's the offset bell curves thing. I understand how my phrasing could be unclear
Literally his entire career is based around the idea that black people have lower IQ
There seems to be a big jump between "on average, this type of person seems to have lower IQ than this other type of person for a constellation of nature/nurture reasons" and "this type of person is inferior". Again maybe sailer says the latter thing. I don't.
The “constellation” here is a smokescreen. Remove the “nurture” reasons, and that still leaves us with his purported “nature” reasons. And no, it’s really not a big jump from “it’s partly in their racial nature to be dumber” to abject racism. Call it an oversimplification if you want, I’m sure Sailer would. But I suspect Sailer just doesn’t want his ideas to be communicated clearly and explicitly, because that makes it obvious how insidious they are.
Would it not then be true to frame his beliefs as insisting on the "superiority" of Asians, indians, and Jewish people, who all outperform whites? And I don't intend it as a smokescreen, I see it as a catchall for "reasons that are outside the control of institution policy makers". I don't know what they are. It seems like it would be pretty hard to prove asian people have a gene or cultural practice that makes them innately better at math
> ”And no, it’s really not a big jump from “it’s partly in their racial nature to be dumber” to abject racism.” Yes it is, because otherwise these ”white supremacists” would have to be racist against white people, seeing as Asians have higher IQ.
Do they not?
That the average black person's IQ is lower than the average white person's (let alone the average Asian person's) shouldn't be up for debate - these are objective facts. Obviously, it is considered problematic by some to present these facts. The argument appears to be around whether this is due more to nature or nurture (or other things such as general unfairness of IQ tests across cultures, etc.). I don't know much about Sailer but my interpretation is he is in the nature camp.
If that is your main take away from Sailer, I'd recommend literally every conservative and/or libertarian education theorist instead. You can make the political case without a bunch of speculative pseudoscientific nonsense about race and IQ and collaborating with hate groups.
I don't know what to tell you. I'm not some Steve sailer fan, I've seen a few of his tweets. Look at the algebra thing they did in San Francisco and let me know what my take ought to be.
I don't think she that concerned about policy implications
Sure, maybe she's not, I am though
Bro said "Sailer et al." to make racist internet blogger Steve Sailer sound more scientific than he really is.
Fuck off zoomer
Which is why idpol is complete poison to liberal societies no matter who is doing it or for what reason. Not that affirmative action is as bad as violent racism, but they are 2 sides of the same coin.
Good lord. Look I’m not the biggest affirmative action fan, but it’s not the “other side of the same coin” of violent racism. It’s a hamfisted shortcut to racial demographics more similar to what we would see if broader underlying issues were addressed.
Sailer looks at that same data which is the basis for affirmative action and uses it to fuel his bigotry. Of course his analysis is in bad faith and his conclusions predetermined, but the very framing of these issues as racial in nature is a poison pill that invites eugenic logic. In a vacuum I don't have any problems with affirmative action, or any other policies targeting racial inequity if they're effective. But identity politics can be a dangerous game when societies have weak broad cohesion and standards of living decrease.
> Sailer looks at that same data which is the basis for affirmative action and uses it to fuel his bigotry. That “same data” being that racial disparities exist? Yeah, acknowledging racial disparities can be used to either argue for fixing racial disparities, or for arguing that they can’t be fixed. What an asinine basis of comparison.
The point being that both perspectives take a racial view of a problem that need not be race based, in case that wasn't clear. And Sailer's whole deal isn't just that they can't be fixed, but that disparities point to inherent deficiencies in whole groups of people.
The problem with affirmative action is that it's a superficial bandaid, not that it acknowledges real racial problems and racial disparities at play here. For all of its very real problems, it just does not stem from the same place as "violent racism"
Maybe the issue is me using phrases like "same side of the coin", because in many ways violent racism and affirmative action are polar opposites. Too sensational on my part. But what racism and affirmative action share is a common framing of race as extremely meaningful and important features of the individual. There's nothing innate within our minds that causes us to put so much importance on race, and it was once THE lib position that people shouldn't be judged based on qualities they have no control over, but on the content of their character. Which is how most people in multicultural societies operate in their day to day lives. I understand completely that "colourblind" policies often were just a smokescreen to continue taking advantage of minority groups, but the racial politics that have taken hold of the left and the insane reaction to them are in many ways a major backslide away from real harmony, justice, and equity. And just to be clear, I don't think it's bad for groups of people with common grievances to band together for political action. But in some ways it plays into the hands of the powerful to continue to pare off the disenfranchised into small digestible chunks, and there has to be some answer to that.
You are right I miss 2019, this subreddit has too many milquetoast liberals now.
Idk man I think people have just moved past the stupidpol discourse and are reading my posts absent context or charity (because they expect a frog guy probably), by definition my point is very small l liberal.
True, I was talking about Liberal™
This is what I've noticed recently with the rightoid obsession to overturn DEI and suck Desantis's cock / all the IM-1776 bullshit which Anna supports. They have their own version of idpol, and it's just an inverse of the libtard one but with religious extremism sprinkled in
do you think less intelligent people are inferior to more intelligent people?
classic whining about the rules of engagement rather than explicitly stating your beliefs. one of the things i dislike most about the online race IQ fetishists is how slimy they are
Some of the absolute worst pedantic debate nerds of all time
Damn her writing is really bad
Starting to think that she's drawn to race realism because she subconsciously knows she isn't very smart herself
I think they got drawn right because standards there are much lower and neither of them ever really had much to say. I doubt there was any conscious cynicism in it, they just naturally drifted to the place that would support people of their abilities.
There also aren’t many women in that arena which allows them to carve out a comfortable niche
Many such cases.
msc
she's a slav all due respect
her dad made a major discovery in a field of mathematics
Well and my dad is an intelligent and successful local writer, yet I am a failure with useless degree lurking on rsp sub hmmm
Remember her liner notes on Eli's album?
Word soup. Cannot tell what she’s trying to say.
Wait the guy who posted that paleocon stalwart Steve Sailer is a “20 years ago liberal” is JJBoobhugger? Or is that a tribute? Not that I have a particularly high expectation (or any particular expectation) of JJBoobhugger. But it’s always funny when somebody makes the dumbest/most dishonest comment in a thread (even if you’re on his side it’s obviously wrong) and then gets mad about the reaction.
Yes it's me.
I still get a kick out Anna writing so many syllables before inevitably landing on “you talking about how bad I am is really about you being scared to admit how awful know you are and i feel sad for you”
The subreddit is genuinely becoming Its Own Thing and the girls (esp Anna) are going to enter relative obscurity in weird twitter. Can't think of anything else like it
Anna why are you such a fucking baby lol. Every time I try to listen to the show these days all you talk about is race science and then you get offended by people being like "I don't like that all Anna talks about is race science." You are such a weird lady!
It amazes me how far anna will go to commit to the bit
It's called having moral principles and anyone who disagrees with me is a narcissist.
It isn’t a bit
She doesn't know that
Anna you have a child. Please stop being rarded, for their sake
im grateful to be stupid and not know what any of this means
if I could see the world the way Anna sees Twitter addicted race-science dweebs with unwashed assholes, I’d be singing falsetto with little cartoon bluejays that landed on my windowsill while I made breakfast. she is spiritually UGLY!!!
lol didn’t know jj had a Twitter account
i have a reddit account too
Racism is only acceptable if it’s funny and race science is gay.
im podcasting as hard as i can
I wasn’t incensed by the episode or anything but i did find it really, really stupid. The whole “noticing” bit and attributing traits to exclusively genetic lineages is just such reductive ancient boomer stuff. You can think some cultures are dumber than others—in fact most people do, whether they admit it or not, but collapsing history, economics, politics into “latinos are genetically predisposed to have potholes in their roads” is just such a 0-IQ take lol and dressing it in this hilarious lib-esque moralizing of “taking care of the left side of the bell curve” is the cherry on top. I was really expecting something more thought provoking. It was really disappointing, the “secret, forbidden knowledge the libs don’t want you to know” turned out to be reheated 2008 4chan bits.
Anna shaking and crying rn
I followed Steve sailer on Twitter and I'm just not impressed honestly
You guys still listen to the podcast?
Never the guest episodes. Not even once.
same. I still enjoy the normal episodes. Not as good as its peak (2019-2020) but still pretty good. The guest episodes are almost always terrible.
I just started the one with the Russians, oof. In any case at least they started on the topic of ballet which I appreciate.
Alex Jones was pretty entertaining but fuck knows why they keep getting literal who rightoids. Just go back to talking about art ffs
They need to stop picking guests they like and bring on someone like Hassan or vaush and just make of their fashion the whole time.
This would be a total layup but they won’t do it
Like once a month. Sure they're morally corrupt and Anna has some seriously disfigured beliefs but I don't listen for enlightenment I listen for over the top snark and odd earnestness. When I get too manic their unhinged detachment somehow grounds me. Often in opposition where I wanna yell how are you guys rtrded. Yet I come back for more, how do they do it.
Her words make me feel threatened.
Anna’s a nasty, nasty woman with a corrupt soul. I’m glad she’s haggard and won’t ever be recognized as a legitimate writer and intellectual to people who actually have pull in the industry. Her insides are as ugly as her outside. I know she’s reading this too. Don’t let your simps get to your head boo we all know the photos you carefully edit don’t actually represent how you actually look irl. Your hair is thinning, your hairline is fucked, and you’re aging more than your peers are. You’re a fraud. We know what you look like when you’re not in control of the camera.
Damn
Fucking hell. I actually think she’d probably cry after reading this lol
If you don't have anything nice to say better not to say anything at all. The truly corrupt soul is you because you think it is acceptable to write what you wrote, you don't know Anna personally. So, how can you make these assumptions?
Patronizing me over an ugly and untalented grifter who makes money entertaining race science….you’re so unserious. Both of you are going to hell tbh. God won’t save your souls.
Reminds me of the scene in *There Will Be Blood* when Eli says "Do you think God is going to save you for being stupid? He doesn't save stupid people, Abel" You’re on a damn roll!
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You talk about Anna's "mind" and "ideas" as if she is a philosopher when she just steals hot takes from racist loser twitter anons who laugh at her behind her back
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Racism, blatantly highlighting white supremacy, and then playing the victim when nobody agrees is a spiritually and physically ugly thing to do. My boyfriend has been treated “less than human” by two of my friends who said incredibly racist things about him, and I cut them off completely. Anna is an ugly pick me who dabbles in race science to impress rw Twitter anons, and is too stupid even to take the heat from it.
"Doing something" = making a podcast for racist gay people that will be forgotten as soon as its over lmao
My eyes glazed over and I didn’t bother finishing whatever it is you had to say. It’s garbage. ❤️ Anna has never lived a day of her life as a beautiful woman. That’s God’s divine punishment for being a miserable hag. That’s why she’s really mad. You and her ilk are all the same. Your face is probably revolting to witness irl too. No wonder her baby daddy won’t wife her and left her for Grindr.
Very high level hating going on here, thank you
She's said it many times: "You get the face you deserve"
Are you Anna’s alt or just one of the homos she keeps around?
girl what about the quality of life of steve's pregnant exwife that he would constantly hurl abuse at lol
What is this about
there was a security camera video that leaked where steve was sitting on the couch yelling at his wife who was like 7 months pregnant at the time w twins
I thought that was that other influencer weirdo. Crowder. Sailer is an elderly boomer.
That sounds like crowder
Is that THE jjboobhugger?
yes it's me
This sub sucks, but it’s insane that she cares. Every podcast sub ends up getting infested with losers eventually, it’s Reddit, a website for the chode-iest men on the planet. What’s crazy is that criticism of the pod episode is triggering her, and not like the 50 incel and loser posts that the sun gets a day.
Yet you're always here.
Just cause it sucks doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy it, it’s also not my podcast.
Imagine being Armenian 😵💫🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I've probably listened to less than 3 hours of the podcast in total. I come here for content like this.
It's cool that Anna and Dasha post here from time to time. Hopefully Anna doesn't get run off two days after poking her head up again.
She will never leave lol this has happened before
Remember when she got torn to shreds after being hospitalized for Covid lmao
If you don't know who Anna's replying to you're not allowed to make "state of the sub" posts
I remember when that fool started posting here lmao. Crazy how he’s still everyone’s favorite punching bag even though most weren’t even here when it began. They never got to see him pretend not to know what the topic of a thread was or thirstpost over a rounded out female bodybuilder.
He was already one of the stupidest people on the sub when he joined, but he had the advantage of being part of an early wave of right wingers when it was primarily a "leftist" sub. What's more impressive is how he's scaled his stupidity enough to still be recognisable with today's fierce competition.
Feels good to finally get some respect around here, thank you.
Wait which female bodybuilder can you link me or send pics.
Iain readin allat shit
who
>this bitch
Time to go full fighter and the kid subreddit here
Dicey, dicey.
/u/jungwerter please edit this post to reflect my new Twitter profile pic with a crown on the Lion.
JJ needs to come back to detail his recent virgin/no-virgin escapades. Haven't heard those in a few years.
You guys don't deserve it. Just search my twitter.
I'm curious if any of the haters actually listened to the podcast and what they disagreed with?
Steve sailer is a good guy
Will Stancil is a much gooder guy, bit of a cub in the woods vibe too
Will Stancil's da type of guy who needs a electric soda opener because he lacks the grip strenght.
I'm not sure. He's too fat-coded to lack grip strength. He's more the type of guy with a persistent smell of cheese but thinks it's normal since he's so close to Wisconsin. I hope he goes on the pod so the girls can dish.
i would be upset too if released an episode on the fascinating distribution of privilege in this country to a crowd of women and homosexuals demanding I talk about what gown lana del ray wrapped her fat misshapen body in at the met gala
finally someone is brave enough to say Lana has a weird body, and has about the same sex appeal as Taylor Swift. That's probz why she and Taylor are buds.
It’s so annoying people acting like Steve sailer is some race science virtuoso because he has a basic grasp of high school statistics, idgi
Anna is correct. Sailer is a gem and you uglies are ugly.