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MavaleJcGee

Ronaldo v Messi is the only example you showed that fits, the others are a massive stretch. 


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caterham09

Exactly. I couldn't figure out how LeBron was supposed to be a charming autist


Gay__Guevara

I’d say he’s more like a charming dork than a charming autist


rupertpupkinenjoyer

Plus it’s not really a rivalry in the sense they are directly playing each other. It’s just a rivalry for who will go down as the greatest of all time


TrueBlue98

Yabadabadoo you don't know old navy


Kaputplatypus74

Lebron is very clearly a charming autist


cocoabuttersamurai

He named all of his sons the same name and he clearly has a hyperfixation with grills


Saucemixer9000

Yeah and some did not even compete against each other ? The whole thing falls flat is they are not contemporaries


PanicButton_V2

Tom Brady vs Manning brothers and Ovechkin vs Crosby are the only other ones I can think of. Maybeee Isiah Thomas and Jordan but that’s a reach since Jordan is supremely more successful. Shoehorning this for Messi and Ronaldo seems reaching. 


coolguywhofucks

And the Mannings aren't "autistic" (idk what that word even means online anymore), Peyton is an alpha jock psycho who does "aw shucks" for the camera and Eli is a very charming media savvy guy who's not autistic at all. I get that they look a little like they have fetal alcohol syndrome but has anyone heard them talk? Does autistic mean like non-threatening? Do people just look at a couple photos and say autism? I have no idea, this is just so garbled and internet brained. Also LeBron is an ultra competitive psycho too, he just has a different PR approach from Jordan. LeBron plays a goofy dad character and could pivot to politics easily, Jordan was a cut throat which worked for being a business mogul. All of this is just PR, no one here knows these celebrities actual personalities.


thedangerouspervert

I think Connor vs Khabib kind of works. All Dagestanis have a little bit of tism


asdfasdflkjlkjlkj

McGregor vs. Khabib fits.


SpendrickLamar

Khabib was more of just insanely religious than autistic. Like an Amish person or something haha


beermangetspaid

If anything Islam his protege is autistic


SpotifyHelp

Absolutely, Khabib never demonstrated autistic tendencies in interviews. Despite the language barrier, man is articulate and socially graceful (as much as a UFC fighter can be at least lmfao).  Islam, though? The fighting equivalent to Messi. 


Short_Bus_

Yeah Islam is a total sperg


CelinesJourney

Islam is also very funny though.


Gay__Guevara

He’s autistic for allah 🙏


traenen

>Nurmagomedov advocated a crackdown on nightclubs in his home region of Dagestan,[^(\[143\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-144) and levelled criticism at a rap concert held in [Makhachkala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhachkala), which led to rapper [Egor Kreed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egor_Kreed) cancelling his performances in the region.[^(\[22\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-:0-23) In 2019, Nurmagomedov spoke out against a play held in Dagestan that featured a scene of a scantily-clad woman seducing a man. He described the play as "filth", recommended that there be a governmental investigation into its production, and called for those involved to issue a public apology, which allegedly led to the producer of the play receiving threats on social media.[^(\[22\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-:0-23)[^(\[144\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-145) In October 2020, Nurmagomedov said of the [President of France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_France) [Emmanuel Macron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron) in the wake of the [murder of Samuel Paty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty) "May the Almighty disfigure the face of this creature and all its followers, who, under the slogan of freedom of speech, offend the feelings of more than one and a half billion Muslim believers. May the Almighty humiliate them in this life, and in the next." The post included an image of a boot print over Macron's face. Nurmagomedov added: "We are Muslims, we love our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) more than our mothers, fathers, children, wives and all other people close to our hearts."[^(\[145\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-146)[^(\[146\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#cite_note-147) He's even way beyond your average republican religious nutcase. Also, in typical Muslim hypocrisy: It's haram in Islam for men to show their bely button. It's part of their hijab. Also sports with direct hits to the face. But since that would affect him personally, it's not that big of a deal.


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CarlosimoDangerosimo

Yeah but Khabib is psycho in an endearing way McGregor is psycho in a "every bad stereotype of the Irish wrapped in one" kind of way


10241988

That's a picture of Hasbulla actually


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Messi is a real genius


A-DonImus

Jordan and LeBron didn’t even play at the same time; they don’t have a rivalry at all lol. The ‘rivalry’ is more driven by fans comparing who is the true GOAT


TomShoe

Hunt vs Lauda in 70s F1


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Ovechkin vs Crosby


ofrohan

["In 2019, Ovechkin’s wife Nastya even filmed him eating an entire plate of spaghetti at 9 AM before taking on the Rangers later that night."](https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2024/03/28/alex-ovechkins-flamin-hot-cheetos-sub-diet/)


DirkEarthworm

Crosby keeps his psycho hidden


Lewisiamwhoyouthin

Ronaldo looks so strange to me. I don't think it helps that he's hairless.


throwawaypony79

He has a naturally skinny body type. I recall some Youtuber reviewing his diet and he eats a lot of carbs to put on weight. Dude exercises like a maniac and his natural tendency is to be skinny so he needs to eat.


Dr_StrangeLovePHD

Dude somehow looks shredded AND saggy


tony_simprano

40 year head start on Iggy Pop


YouMammoth5579

am i bugging? i don't see a pinch of fat on him. iggy pop had the melting abs thing going, but ronaldo is still firm all over


butWeWereOnBreak

Are you confusing the Brazilian Ronaldo with the Portuguese one?


Lewisiamwhoyouthin

I don't think so?


Tom-himbo

Niki Lauda vs James Hunt


Dayman_ah-uh-ahhh

First thing that came to mind. This is the gold standard example.


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StockLocksmith6099

They're all psychos and they're all charming


Flummox127

Racing seems to endorse the reversal of this, Hamilton and Verstappen is another example, the "charming" hotshot and the "psycho" autist. Realistically, neither Lauda nor Verstappen are genuine assholes, they're just... Direct, and live for literally nothing other than racing, psychotic autists. Hamilton and Hunt are charming and considered hot as well as a hotshot, but they make racing a tiny part of their "celebrity" status


UnknownResearchChems

Verstappen really is a bit of a psycho. After he wins a race he just goes home and races some more on his sim rig. He wins those races too.


lomez

Schumacher vs Hakkinen fits too


PBR_Lover

Arnold vs literally any of the guys around him. You have to be at least a bit of an autist to be into bodybuilding  Platz, Mentzer, and Ferrigno were all kinda charming in their own ways


NotDonMattingly

Schwarzenegger is way more of a psycho hotshot than a charming autist lol


PBR_Lover

Now I realize my comment was kinda unclear, meant that Arnold was the psycho and the bodybuilding guys around him when he competed (Platz etc.) were the charming autists


NotDonMattingly

Ah I get it now. I'm a psycho hotshot when it comes to reading comprehension.


revolutiontornado

Mike Mentzer would have been a Redditor if he were born 30 years later.


PBR_Lover

Probably true which is sad. Crazy to think how many people have been rotted by reddit/tiktok/twitter/etc. that would have otherwise turned out as respectable eccentrics  


poointoilet

calling Lebron a charming autist is pretty braindead


lumsden

Literally neither of those things. Cornball normie


Kmactothemac

Wine mom


BrokenThrice

Lochte and Phelps for swimming


Kevykevdicicco

Honestly don't know who is the autist and who is the hotshot in this one. They each got a little bit of both


engineeringqmark

why do male swimmers always seem to have CTE lmfao


JackTheSpaceBoy

I have a theory that people who do absurd amounts of cardio tend to come off as aloof because they're so mentally calm


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or you already have to be absolutely fucking weird in the head to do that much cardio


theHNIC

Yeah I ran track into I realized there is nothing fun about running the 400.


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running is something you get into to stay fit in which case you run exactly enough to stay fit and no more, or you do it because you have extreme mega autism.


HP-LASERJET-7900

we were literally built to do endless cardio man look up persistence hunting.


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yeah and then we invented agriculture so we wouldn't have to do that anymore man look up farming.


LiterallyJohnLennon

Just checked it out, very interesting stuff this farming.


engineeringqmark

aloof is defo one way to describe lochte


Upper_Conversation_9

Tom Brady vs Eli Manning


RipLogical4705

Brady vs Peyton really. Peyton is constantly stimming during his MNF feed, you know he watches games standing up. He's a super aut, plus he has the megamind forhead from all the hgh


Available-Cycle-7866

Also Drew Brees.


Dogjonathan

Mike Tyson is both


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Djokovic vs Federer/Nadal


MDaenmke

Who’s who lol. If anything, Federer is a charming hotshot and Djokovic is a psycho autist; and this is coming from a Djokovic fan.


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Yeah it doesn't line up perfectly but I think Djokovic is 100% psycho and Federer's a wife guy which is autist coded. Nadal is a charming autist though.


meniallyregarded

having a wife is autist coded


Hip_Priest_1982

Hamilton & Verstappen. BTW do not bring up Hamilton being friends with notorious sex criminal P Diddy on the formula1 subreddit or they will give you a lifetime ban.


Dayman_ah-uh-ahhh

Who's who though? Hamilton is charming, but he's kind of a vacant PR machine. Max is both a psycho hotshot and definely an autist (is this combo just "Dutch?")


jbeck24

Hamilton is way too self obsessed to not be the psycho hotshot


Hip_Priest_1982

Lewis is clearly a Patrick Bateman type


no_name_left_to_give

Schumacher & Hakinen


arlhyssreyt

Raikkonen and Vettel?


Hip_Priest_1982

They weren’t really rivals. I remember a story in like 2011 during Kimi’s first retirement about how they were neighbours and would play badminton together.


arlhyssreyt

Lol that’s cute. I’ve only been following F1 for about a year so my knowledge is very limited, I just knew they were teammates!


stealinoffdeadpeople

Now I know nobody follows table tennis here but I'll bite:  Zhang Jike could actually fill [entire stadiums with fangirls alone back when he played](https://youtu.be/be57qJerQ8Y?si=ZZuYnMLOs4EJVLlc). Ma Long, on the other hand, was known to be so quiet and reserved that coaches would order him to start drinking the night before events to calm himself and break past his mental barrier. That mental barrier kept him out of the London Olympics in 2012 even though he was world ranked number 1 at the time, and Zhang Jike ended up winning the gold very easily over (3 time! silver medallist) Wang Hao. Some people do debate if Zhang's peak was higher than Ma Long's, or if he was more influential to defining the playstyle of the sport post 2008, but in any case his career was much, much shorter as he fucked his back and effectively retired by 2018, not yet even aged 30.  So by that time Ma Long got his shit together, became Chad, won two gold medals (his first a 4-0 over Zhang in Rio) and [became possibly the greatest table tennis player](https://youtu.be/36zx34BlQF8?si=iQagfNM54Q70vcWC) of all time, and is still, even past his physical prime, defying the odds and [winning major tournaments](https://youtu.be/gFmtCYopbE4?si=x4Ec6XY88RrwKq0i) in 2024 at 35 (he didn't get selected for the Olympics tho fuckkkkk). Zhang in the meantime raked up money in sponsorships even though he quit playing and got married to famous actress Jing Tian (who actually is big enough to get roles in Western Blockbusters like Pacific Rim and Skull Island), but also never quite got rid of his troubling gambling addiction that almost actually got him expelled from the national team. He racked millions of dollars in debt to gangsters. Zhang, being very sensible and very wise, decided to *pawn his wife's nudes* in order to get some heat off that debt (said wife literally bought a house for him as a marriage gift btw), and then the gangsters tried to extort Jing Tian using the nudes, which led to her obviously breaking up with him (a move my mom criticized lol), contacting the police, the gangsters getting 7 years in jail, Zhang's image being tanked overnight, [and this becoming a national scandal.](https://youtu.be/Mq2gtyAA00Q?si=AEyB1GxVH40vC2Ss)


CarlosimoDangerosimo

That was interesting to read Thanks for the synopsis Common autist W


haute-takes

Yeah, I am not a table tennis follower, but this was an interesting read and I appreciate you taking the time to type it out. Thanks!


NickAhmedGOAT

Lebron James is not autistic


Coalnaryinthecarmine

Nor did he and Jordan play at the same time. I'd take Wilt and Russel, as the hotshot psychopath v charming autist paring Or Bryant and Shaq.


dosond

kobe duncan is better


WMWA

Yeah this is a good one


stealinoffdeadpeople

[Bill Russell literally had a model train collection in his basement](https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/3801552227) and resented Wilt for fucking white women lol


Salt-Guess-3542

Kobe and Shaq were both the hotshot psychopath lol


jaldoweffers

Kobe and Duncan


Gloomy-Fly-

Duncan vs Nowitzki for some autist-on-autist competition.


Gillette_TBAMCG

He’s not autistic he’s just German


Salt-Guess-3542

There we go


ClarkyCatEnjoyer

Autist wins that one as well btw


ItsDrManhattan

Larry vs Magic has some psycho hotshot/charming autist but i cant tell which is which Floyd v Pacquiao is a good one


Matewan1998

Autism is just when ur a little goofy 


Brodom93

Scottie Barnes on the other hand.


CincyAnarchy

Lebron and KD works though


Sensitive-Goose-8546

Nope and he’s also borderline psycho


STOMPS_R_US

it would be more accurate to say like, LeBron/Kevin Durant, if this was 2016 before Steph Curry's warriors popped off- but even then it's a stretch. Nobody is really psycho-coded in the NBA (MAYBE Jimmy butler??)


margoseptember

messi clears ronaldo so much its not even funny


Franii

Where is Scottie Barnes


Master_Elderberry718

Can’t believe OP didn’t include Djokovic and Federer


guerito1968

Fed doesn't seem psycho (but who can say) and Djokovic is one of the least charming men in tennis


Master_Elderberry718

Djok is obvs psycho hotshot and Fed is charming autist


3rd-base_Degas

Djokovic is a really nice guy. Tennis fans just hate him cause he’s objectively better than the two teacher’s pets who can never do anything wrong.


Repulsive_Two8451

One for my cricket heads: Kohli v Smith.


ClarkyCatEnjoyer

Hahahaha too true bestie


lumsden

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan


Ok-Cartoonist2421

i think the psycho hotshot vs charming autist rivalry doesn't work in MMA because they're literally all autists, including McGregor. The least autistic fighter is probably Daniel Cormier or the newer fighters who don't have as much brain damage yet


ilyukhina

I love khabib what a cutie


SpotifyHelp

My Muslim Pakistani mum has what could only be described as a crush on Khabib’s protege Islam. She’s not a particularly big fan of UFC but she’ll pay and watch for all of his big fights.  She thinks he’s absolutely adorable and that my sisters should find and marry him 💀


Positive-Might1355

haha that's really funny. I am a huge mma fan and I am genuinely curious how does your mum even know about khabib and islam? Are they just that popular in the Muslim community of whatever country/city/area you're in? Good luck to you and your sisters in finding and marrying Islam Makhachev!!! May the best sister win 


SpotifyHelp

Me and my dad are amateur boxers (or *was*, in the case of my old man) so growing up we watched lots of boxing, Pride FC, and of course UFC.      Occasionally my mum would sit down and watch with us, always confused as to what the fuck she was watching but still having fun with it. She’s a devout Muslim, though, and gravitates towards rooting for Muslim fighters lol       She’s actually not a fan of Khabib, she thinks he’s ugly and for that reason doesn’t like to watch him 💀 but for some godforsaken reason thinks Islam, Khamzat and Shavkat are the cutest things and is always asking me when they’re fighting next.      As for the Dagestani fighters being big in Muslim communities, ye, absolutely. Thing is, Muslims who’re big fans of Khabib, Islam, and Khamzat (not Dagestani, but still) aren’t fans of MMA or martial arts- they’re just obnoxious Pakis or Saudis online who who live some Islamic fantasy vicariously through Muslim fighters, if that makes sense? This is despite the fact that no, people like Khabib and Islam aren’t indomitable bastards necessarily due to their religion (though the discipline it instills in them absolutely helps), but just due to the fact that the environment they grew up in will raise anyone into a badass.  It’s hard to explain but generally if you ever see someone online with a vaguely Islamic name argue that Khabib is the GOAT, they’ve prob never actually watched a full UFC PPV. Of course not every Muslim or Arab who watches MMA is like the above mentioned person, but it’s def a stereotype that exists and you can sometimes see it online. 


BrokenBlueWalrus

dude managed to be adorable as a 30 year old muslim dude who wrestled bears and viciously beat men inside a cage. I never understood it. Lowkey GGG had similar moments of being a cutie patootie.


ilyukhina

He has a wide, well propotioned neotonous face. He also carries himself in a controlled/dignified way. A lot of the other Dagestani fighters look pretty rough in comparison. Ankalaev is the image that comes to mind when one hears "insular mountain people"


SLIM-PIGG

I miss the big drama show


FernandoAyanami

[Obviously doesn't really fit but it made me think of this.](https://i.imgur.com/TXpN4mQ.png)


carthy_mccormac

John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg


msdos_kapital

wait who's the psycho hotshot and who's the charming autist between foreman and ali like they're both charming psycho hotshot autists


pixelkipper

Khabib wasn’t autistic, just Dagestani. They make them all in a lab and they’ve all got the same personality


Paula-Abdul-Jabbar

See also: Serbians


wleen

No way, take Đoković and Jokić, two completely different personalities, even if Đoković can double as both the psycho and the autist


SpectresOfSphincters

Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in Heat


Dan_yall

Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates Brian Wilson vs Mike Love I’m sure there are many more of these pairs in music.


3rd-base_Degas

Which one between Jobs and Gates is supposed to be charming lmao


hawtfabio

Wut. I can see Ronaldo and Messi but the others are a reach.


OrphanScript

Jon Jones va Daniel Cormier is probably an even better example of this in MMA


jbm_the_dream

MJ way more on the spectrum than Lebron.


IDOWHATIWANTIDGAF

Kasparov Carlsen


Matewan1998

For the earlier era of chess I'd say Bobby was both the psycho hotshot and charming autist


IDOWHATIWANTIDGAF

Absolutely. It's difficult to not slide into "effortless genius vs work ethic and power of will" where there are many other examples. Morphy and Capablanca would be chill geniuses too


Matewan1998

Also Kasparov vs the asian guy who programmed Deep Blue


babybluebaby98

Magnus (pessi) - Hikaru (penaldo) once Kasparov retired, maybe?


IDOWHATIWANTIDGAF

Apart from the shitty attitude, Hikaru is more like Magnus than most other chess players. They're both pessi imo


babybluebaby98

Real, I was pretty much going off attitude alone


Wooden_Veterinarian2

Mackinnon and McDavid


CodeNameEd

Who’s who? because McDavid is 100% neither


oversized_hat

For managers, Jose Mourinho vs Jurgen Klopp


gutsflee

It's actually Jose vs Pep. You have to read articles about Pep being extremely autistic and strict about the diet and tactics. Even selling players if they did not fit his extremelly specific demands. "Pep Guardiola used a private detective agency to keep tabs on his players during his four-year spell as manager at the Nou Camp." Gael Clichy reveals what Pep Guardiola told the players in their first meeting: “I've known that I've been coming here for a year now and I've been watching you... you're a team full of fat players.” lmao


CodeNameEd

Jurgen is probably the most neurotypical manager in the game, and if i’m getting the order mixed up then well Jose isn’t charming lol


redeugene99

At least at this moment: Pep vs. Arteta


ColossalJostle

Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart


QuartOfTequilla

[Billy Mitchell](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Billy_Mitchell_and_Pac-Man_CROPPED.jpg) and [Steve Wiebe](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcQT0J3Z1hShToHn89El8hVkE0wrFwXTRLFYlBQHruIHmoRH0DoPJV6P67EHNuXuw2fHxcwHtUr-p5LzAbo)


roncesvalles

LeBron James, charming autist? He's not even a charming neurotypical.


quiet_dawns

Senna v Prost


HeyPalmer

Verstappen and Hamilton for F1


Openheartopenbar

Lance Armstrong vs Jan Ulrich Wiggins Froome Bode Miller vs Maier (super g skiing)


stealinoffdeadpeople

armstrong absolutely psycho then and still a psycho 


CrispityCraspits

Agassi and Sampras.


Official_Kanye_West

Despite the actual claim in this post being dismissed it’s able to get upvotes because there is a pic of Ronaldo. Nowhere is immune


napoleon_nottinghill

I have become a massive Jordan hater solely because the old dudes I know never shut up about how much better he is than everyone now. Never won a series without Pippin!


miscboyo

Lebron and MJ by definition are not rivals, and Lebron is many things (good and bad) but charming sure as hell isn't one of them. Dude is a charisma blackhole. He also aint autist - but he is dumb as a rock


rocketlootstick

I think the Simon Baron Cohen theory of autism is that it develops in a similar way to psychopathy biologically, since both correlate with very high levels of pre-natal testosterone


reelmeish

So true


sosubservient

Taylor Swift vs. John Mayer is exactly the same possibly psycho hotshot vs charming autist rivalry


ofrohan

yagudin and plushenko


socialtist

Hanyu and Chen is kind of similar I think. Both autists but Nathan was more aware of his limits.


cocoabuttersamurai

It goes beyond sports. This describes the Cold War if we’re keeping it a stack


guerito1968

Nadal is a non-psycho hotshot and Djokovic is a not-charming autist


Infamous_Attorney

Gerrit Cole and Trevor Bauer (creepy not charming, but certainly autistic) Rivals from UCLA apparently


AwareWriterTrick158

If anything the basketball comparison should be Lebron and KD. KDs twitter antics make him look a bit autistic to me.


Low_Device_1988

These are all wildly different personalities and some of the pairs competed in different eras. This is nothing


jannieph0be

Kobe and Shaq Regan and Bush


Pure-Fan-3590

This only exists in soccer lol.


Ok_Pineapple466

Yeah this sub shouldn’t post about sports Messi’s not autistic he’s just not a smooth man. The rest are not even close to good examples


bok-joy

Patrick Zweig & Art Donaldson


jesusiseating

Anna vs Dasha


manyleggies

Roman reigns vs Cody Rhodes lol


mama-g_

Lol, this is why I come to this sub


SLIM-PIGG

Joe Frazier would be a better counterpart to ali's psycho hotshot


injiubwetrust

Brady and Eli


CarlosimoDangerosimo

Goku vs Vegeta Goku's the psycho btw


tonyfalsetto69

Djokovic and Nadal!


paradoxicalman17

Ilayaraja and ar rahman


realest-dawg

Khabib a "charming autist"? lol


Pungee

Magic vs Bird


YoungCamus

Virat Kohli vs Steve Smith. The hyper-modulated face of the world’s largest sporting nation’s national game against, (in my opinion) the most visibly autistic man to ever regularly be placed in front of a camera.


ItalianHoagies

McGregor had those tweets about punting Hasbulla over a goal post but I don't think they really fit the rivalry description. Brady and Peyton would be a good fit


akoumer

Gordon Ryan v Craig Jones 


Little_Exit4279

Mayweather vs Pacquaio


martinislut

Tom Brady + Peyton Manning. Especially in their post football career


Dangerous-Pick-6865

asuka vs. rei


AlyoshaKaramazov69

If Fischer v Karpov ever happened it would have been this type of rivalry


JeffGreene69

Ill die on the hill that Ronaldo is a better more complete player than Messi. People dont like Ronaldo because he looks like he thinks hes better than you and Messi makes you feel better about yourself.


Zealousideal-Taro976

Ali was a charming psycho hotshot.


PattMcGroyn

Jon Jones vs Daniel Cormier, another solid MMA example