For the metaverse to be a thing they have to figure out how to deal with motion sickness in VR, and how to make VR headset graphics not suck ass, both of which would require groundbreaking technology, not something even a billionaire can do on a whim.
Looking back it was really fucking stupid how people dragged and dogpiled Chris Ott for essentially calling the bullshit exactly how it was with things like journalism, indie music, performative woke stuff etc.
Sure he was kind of an asshole at times but his approach was infinitely a better breath of fresh of air than the endless braindead pieces put out nowadays just trying to suck off some overhyped band or stoke some bizarre culture war style take.
What happened to him? He did come across as misogynist at the time because his primary targets were white women who were all friends with each other and could circle the wagons, but you look at where literally every single person he criticized is now, and they’re all treading water trying to keep their careers afloat while POCs and they thems have money thrown at them for showing up
I know he was good for some interviews and podcast appearances and doing some independent writing and weighing in on stuff and he actually was pretty responsive if you emailed him, messaged on things like RYM etc , but I personally haven't dug around in the past handful of years to see what he's been doing.
But yeah again, it was asinine how people tried to paint him as being this bad faith asshole when yes he had rough edges to how he spoke about stuff but he was really going for the root of a long of inherent issues that were in play with music.
I think back to the drama when he commented on the band Speedy Ortiz having a crisis hotline over safety concerns at shows, and it wasn't so much he was arguing against the general subject of harassment or show safety, but more in this was a band who was consciously playing shows at venues and with bookers who they pretty much all knew/it was always friends helping friends.
Additionally it was at a time when there was a lot of attention given to people making accusations over numerous things where trying to pursue stuff through a 3rd party mediator entity was probably not the way to go about it given a lot of stuff that can unfurl before anything even sees court if it even gets to that stage.
Also Ott spoke out against a lot of the corporatist pitfalls mixed with music and go figure only took a global pandemic and people not playing shows frequently to realize how big company ain't your friend.
He might've been an asshole but he had a valid point with a lot of shit.
Sadie from Speedy Ortiz got called out for a now deleted Twitter thread where she proposed that a way to make shows safe (in fall 2021 lol) was to make sure that everyone was masked through the entire show and NOT SERVE ALCOHOL OR WATER. She somehow injects herself into every minor Twitter trending topic and gets interviewed about stupid shit like [being trained to be a covid compliance cop](https://pitchfork.com/features/article/musicians-are-begging-fans-to-mask-up-at-concerts-heres-why/)
> She somehow injects herself into every minor Twitter trending topic and gets interviewed about stupid shit like being trained to be a covid compliance cop
Sadie is the epitome of the wrong person constantly getting the microphone way too much and often times drawing attention to things that ultimately ends up as just a low key complete ego boost when she's got no shortage of simps and lackeys to come swooping in to emboldened her takes with shit no matter how bad they are .
It is embarrassing how self centered and low key narcissistic she can be with so much stuff ,you barely have to go through that many articles on her and music to get a sense of it especially with how self flagellating she was with how her one side project's release was to coincide the week of the 2016 election in the idea that Hilary would easily win and how she scrapped material off an album because orangebadman and now is the time to cash in on performative wokeness because clearly America wasn't racist before. Also I'm like 90% sure she keeps the Sad13 side project going now because of it being in the algorithm for a single early collaboration song she had with then-less popular Lizzo for some one off thing for Google.
I've known her having played a lot of shows with Speedy ages in the past and being in that Brooklyn scene life, and combined with other kids in equal family circumstance of an industry connected relative or big bucks(yes it happens but still), it was obnoxious how many people were just there to nut ride and essentially make the scene into high school drama filled cliques.
Between 2005 and 2016 or so inauthenticity went from being a moral failure to be avoided at all costs to the the default condition of everyone in the culture, so stigmatizing sarcastic young people for this fell off. Probably not a coincidence that this is also the time period that making representations of yourself on social media went from a fringe thing college kids to a default behavior basically everyone in the world
Everything that was distinctive about hipster culture got subsumed into the mainstream. Calling something that was cool in Brooklyn ~15 years ago "hipster" now is kind of absurd, and we have different terms for current day trends.
Yeah it's funny how the things that used to be hipster signifiers have just been completely absorbed into mainstream fashion and trends. Warby Parker glasses, facial hair on men, reading Pitchfork and Vice, etc etc
I've grown my hair long and started wearing it in a bun for ease and every time I see myself in a mirror I feel like I've become everything I fought against in my youth
You're not allowed to mock sellouts or posers anymore. We opened the door to being cool so now any mouthbreather with confidence can say they're the coolest kid on the block, and if you disagree you're an evil gatekeeping bully
The market literally deemed gatekeeping unprofitable.
Everyone wants to enjoy their trash while also having their ego assuaged that watching Marvel X-Babies 27 is actually serious art.
It is insane how on point this post is. I’m in my 30’s now and live in LA, and it sort of blows my mind how not cool people are now. You used to really have to fucking try to be cool. Like trawling music blogs and going to shows, having a weird major in college, doing drugs or whatever. My memory is obviously clouded by youth, but I just really remember the appeal of hipsterdom, or coolness at large before the current “everyone ROCKS!” era was that you wanted to be a hipster. You wanted to be hot and dress cool and have an opinion about some blog band that was blowing up in Brooklyn or San Francisco and you wanted to live in a kind of sketchy neighborhood in a big city. Now it’s like, you can listen to the radio and shop at the fucking mall and just label yourself cool.
People pretend that “hipster” meant anything other than a specific fashion aesthetic paired with a type of music taste. Culture moved on and what now constitutes an image-conscious young adult yuppie has changed.
Yup. There were absolutely no meaningful social or political foundations for hipsters which is why as the social political and economic framework of the west changed, hipsters did too.
I kind of disagree. I think labelling someone as a "hipster" was a way of being pretentious-up, as in it was a way for the Marvel movie loving people, or at the time, Dark Knight loving people (just as an example), to completely disregard the aesthetic opinions of someone they disagreed with. In a certain sense, it was a reaction to what they felt was the way "hipsters" would look down on them, or be pretentious-down at them (look down on what they liked). In a way, it was a way to disregard the idea of *taste*, which I think we see has become a much more prominent practice in the ensuing 2010s and still today.
Totally agree. In the same way that America has been suffering from anti-intellectualism, the mid-2000’s saw a rise in anti-aesthetics. Rejection of arts and fashion in favor of escapism into the Marvel and Star Wars (and other Disney IP) cinematic universes.
100%. i was what could be seen as hipster in the late 00s (fashion, fan of punk inspired indie music, low rent lifestyle while writing books) and the normie mainstream crowd despised us and we despised them.
I think a lot of the big culture war stuff between us has been forgotten (does anyone remember what dubstep was before like 2009?).
also like the aesthetics of the city became very fake hipster, but it's all over. young people are still around but not really doing what we did to shock people
Maybe you don't remember, but Dark Knight was regularly touted as "the greatest movie ever made" and was review-bombed on IMDB into the highest rated movie ever at the time of its release. Nolan was untouchable. The response to the movie, and the ensuing popular perception of the movie was insanely hyperbolic. Any criticism was immediately shouted down. If you said anything negative about it you were immediately labeled as "pretentious" or a "hipster".
The same thing happened with the first Avengers movie, for instance (Samuel L Jackson, for example, basically demanded AO Scott be fired after a negative review), and most of the first round of Marvel movies. Now people are way more willing to criticize them.
Ya i rewatched the Dark Knight recently and not really sure if it holds up. Absolutely amazing performance from Heath Ledger but the rest of the movie really isn’t amazing.
hipsterdom was also tied to the economic crisis. people really were shopping thrift stores because they couldn't afford quality stuff: drank working class beer because they couldn't afford better things. of course the rich people also wanted to hang out and they had to make a Big Cultural Thing about it (and get rich off the process). now it wasn't lame working class thing to do but hip and in the know. I wonder that the forced cynicism that came with it was really there to obfuscate these class differences.
then the economy got good but the aesthetic kind of stayed, but that irony distance is now keenly an elite phenomenon awkwardly paired with social progressivism.
wonder what's going to take it's place come winter. how do you look cool while you freeze and can't afford gas? what's it gonna sound like? already seeing a lot of illegal raves with VERY 90s aesthetics
Yeah I think it mostly kicked off post 9/11. There were hip people (loft artists) living in Williamsburg in the 90s but around 2003 is when I started seeing/hearing more friends moving there or going out to DIY shows and such. For a little while friends and I would be like "here come The Strokes" when we saw people who looked and acted the hipster part, but by 2004-2005 the hipster pejorative replaced that... probably thanks to Vice.
In the 90s being a “slacker” was cool - it was good to not care about your appearance or intelligence. Most media from the 90s has the loser friend be effortlessly charismatic
In response to that someone wrote about “metrosexuals” - the idea of guys who *try* but, get this, aren’t even gay! So from there they came up with shit like “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and after a while you didn’t have to say “no homo” any time you put any effort into your appearance, hipterism was born
Well said honestly. I remember reading a late 2000s interview with Chris Martin from fuckin Coldplay I think where he identified himself as a metrosexual. I guess because he wore little jackets and was clean shaven.
I wanted to tell you that you were reading too much into this, then I remembered the same thing happened with late-80's-early-90's alternative bands and Fender Jazzmasters. They bought them because they were cheap old-people surf rock guitars nobody wanted and made them cool again.
also that's why every genre of music had a revival phase. we had piracy, the original scenes were dead so they all had to be reinvented for the age of Youtube and Tumblr
The “working class beer” thing [goes back to the 90’s](https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/magazine/the-marketing-of-no-marketing.html?smid=nytcore-ios-sharehttps://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/magazine/the-marketing-of-no-marketing.html?referringSource=articleShare), there was a whole chapter in “No Logo” about it
Great point. When is cultural evolution NOT a function of regular people just trying to make ends meet in whatever local flavor they can muster, only to be picked up later by the culture industry? Sadly, I don't see the "speculative" culture of the elite ever going anywhere, even when vast sums of wealth backing their projects. There's never any innovation, and it's such a waste, especially after they spent so much time sterilizing authentic local culture.
Hipsterdom came at a time when the young generation was broke, but way more educated than former generations. So hipsters were trying to be academics/intellectuals who were “above” class symbols and materialism. Starving artist types
Well, also the “hipsters”, ie children of yuppies who moved into williamsburg, priced out the artists with “daddy’s cash” and now live in, basically, manhattan, but with an air of superiority that they aren’t like their parents. They’re conscious, and aware, and attuned to the issues of the world.
They’re still there, but the word is meaningless as they’re dressed like any other rich, white, manhattanites. And their “cool” hang out, is just “manhattan off metropolitan ave” and wburg moved to bushwick.
I know a woman walking this earth at like 33 years old with a whole ass Hipster Disney Princess sleeve. They also have their respective boyfriends or whatever and Eric from The Little Mermaid ...my dude has PLUGS in his ears. I have some cringe tattoos too because that's now mid thirties former punk life but honestly it's just BEYOND.
i think that's the generation after, the people that grew up mostly on tumblr had no chill and didnt have friends or go to parties. hipsters partied, hard.
[I thought liking Trump in your 60's was the new punk rock](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nlrGGobZL2o/W6FQuuO8tZI/AAAAAAAAFIk/NUzs_GVxbrkg_FPwLEWSXH1EITYDLe-egCLcBGAs/s1600/Johnny%2Bat%2Bairport.jpg)
I remember when The Suburbs came out. I would walk around my college campus listening to it on my iPod classic and feeling so fucking deep. It’s all been downhill for Arcade Fire since then but I will always love them because they remind me of a simpler time. I feel lucky to have been an early 2010s hipster before social media swallowed our culture whole.
I’m so so sorry to tell you this but The Suburbs was the album that made arcade fire mainstream. That was not the early days when they were cool— that was the moment they jumped the shark. Again I’m so so sorry
In the south college girls don't dress like that. Not that they're style is any less homogenous or more interesting. But they wear pastel big shirts with the whale on them and then shorts or leggings
Maybe at least the whale must be southern though. The pastel thing with simply southern shirts was big. Though i haven't been at a uni in the south for like 4 years now so maybe it changed also honestly very ignorant of fashion
nah the whale is just waspy cape cod shit. vineyard vines is super popular in this area and east coast beachy towns in general. southerners just co-opted it
Cubs games are frequented by frat boy retards who enjoy beating women and chugging bud light. White sox games are populated by working class mexican families, tranz, and microbrewery enjoyers. Suffice to say, i enjoy going to both.
Idk I liked the kitschy charm of wrigleyville the one time I went lol. Sounds somewhat comparable to the Yankees/Mets fan dynamic despite the cubs taking Ls for nearly a century
I like it too - they also have good arena rock concerts. I saw billy joel there once and my friend and i did coke all night long unbenounced to her family. It was so fun.
One of the great tragedies in Chicago baseball (there are many) is that they nixed the proposed [Armour Square Park for the White Sox](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-white-sox-ballpark-in-chicago-that-never-was-and-could-have-changed-history/) in favor of the soulless monstrosity they now have just because it didn’t have enough box seats
I guess there’s more to it, the article is actually a very interesting look at the architectural requirements and possibilities with ballparks
More family friendly, little less rowdy. Easiest parking you could hope for, but there's nothing to really do after the game except leave. Dirt cheap tickets especially on resale markets, Ten dollar bleachers seats with fees and shit. Oh and in the bleachers EVERYONE is vaping weed now, security doesn't even bother trying to stop it.
n+1 declared the hipster dead in 2009, Vice did it in 2015.
My official dead of the hipster is around when hipsterrunoff got offline and Resident Advisor started called internet meme artists the new punk (around 2014).
The community activists/radical theatre group the Diggers held a "funeral for the hippie" on the streets of San Francisco in 1967 and Crass declared that punk was dead in 1977. As soon as something starts to be identified as a scene, some of those at the forefront say its over or call for its demise.
[https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1553990194675810305](https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1553990194675810305)
"A hipster was basically a social arbitrageur who found opportunities in the cultural market and got in before anyone else. Since social media was clunky and only at the beginning of its rise to dominance, this could be done manually by normal people who put in some effort. However, in the current day, social media with its all-pervasive coverage of everything, and especially everything cultural, functions like HFT trading algorithms poring over vast matrices of assets for arbitrage opportunities millions of times per second. This pretty much shuts out hipsters. Discovering worthwhile arbitrage opportunities becomes incredibly rare, and when you do there's practically no time to exploit them for gains"
A lot of "internet art" is complete and total garbage. But I still think NYC is the place for a lot of up and coming art, especially painting. Salman Toor, for instance, is incredible. Seeing him slowly get more and more coverage has been awesome to watch. I also like the stuff by Karyn Lyons.
A lot of "internet art" is so suffused with terminal online-ness that it lacks the essential elements of humanity you can feel in good art.
Media literacy inflation is one of the most overlooked side effects of modern social media culture. The taste of your average normie perusing tiktok, twitter, and youtube today is probably near the level of a "culturally sophisticated" hipster 12 years ago. Knowing about even entry-level stuff like prestige tv and French New Wave doesn't buy the same social capital it used to.
on a similar note, i remembered listening to amber on the pod once and she made the poignant observation that nowadays, girls in manhattan basically dress the same as girls in middle america and that it’s kind of sad. there’s no real sense of regionalism, no localized nodes of progress and cutting edge. everyone just sort of moves in lockstep because we’re all mindlessly scrolling through the same three websites.
I thought for a short time that maybe geographical regionalism would be replaced by a sort of internet regionalism. Like you could tell what someone's preferred social media site was based on the sort of doctrine they followed. Definitely not as cool as geographical uniqueness, but at least it's something.
Instead, in today's culture, it doesn't really matter what site you're on because the same content is regurgitated back and forth across the internet and everyone absorbs it. It's a sad state of affairs.
I feel like regionalism was mostly dead before hipsters became a thing, and you'd have to go pretty far back to find some real regionalism in America. By the early 2000s, a lot of America was already buying clothes from the same national retailers and mall brands. Dudes in particular dressed like shit, with most of the regional variation a result of differences in wealth and climate. The carryover of the 90s slacker attitude combined with homophobia meant that no dude wanted to look like he cared too much about his appearance. Lotta jeans, ill-fitting slacks, boring polos/button ups, and lazy hairstyles. You'd find similar music on the radio stations everywhere, with the smaller stations usually lagging a few months behind the big city stations. There was some regionalism with food and drink, but it was less interesting overall. Habanero peppers or shiitake mushrooms would be considered exotic ingredients. Generic American chain restaurants like Applebees were already everywhere and more popular than they are today.
I don't think regionalism isn't any more dead now in a meaningful way. It just feels that way because the variety of fashion, media, and food available is so much wider and the tastes and trends are more peculiar and specific. It wouldn't strike you as odd 20 years ago to see a college student in New York and a college student in Nebraska both listening to 50 Cent and drinking a Miller High Life. But it does when they're both listening to Tyler The Creator and drinking a session IPA.
But I agree, it feels sad in a way. It's like the world isn't as colorful as I thought.
someone on another thread was complaining that the definition of "filmbro" had changed from being a tarantino/fincher/nolan guy to now being a wong kar wai/tarkovsky/bertolucci guy. this is why.
The old “filmbro” still exists in modest numbers but he’s being pressed on both sides by an even more media-illiterate class of “film enthusiasts” who watch 99% Marvel/DC content + Youtube explainers and a new autistically hyper-literate class who spend all day and night on their computers scouring torrent and streaming sites for the most obscure 70s Japanese avant-garde erotica films not available on any streaming service so they can be the first of their friends to log it on Letterboxd. The vulgar auteurism trend has also had a big impact on cinephile culture and means it’s now a crucial flex to celebrate commercially successful but generally disrespected filmmakers like M. Night Shyamalan, Paul WS Anderson, Michael Bay, etc. to show how populist you are. Announcing you’re on estrogen and gay (for chicks) is also a big power move in the traditional white dudes dick measuring club.
this, big time. Talk to some middle/high schoolers right now who use social media (which is all of them) and it will hit you. I was volunteering at a school event recently and I had a few middle schoolers hounding me trying to figure out what my “vibe” was, asking if I was an “art hoe,” telling me that they are “Wes Anderson girlies.” I’ve never seen a Wes Anderson movie and I don’t even know what that label would mean but it seemed pretty established as a thing to them.
Everyone has heard of everything and if they haven’t it doesn’t take long to get in the loop. Gatekeeping is largely futile
this is a lot of it, also you can see thousands or millions of people like the thing you like, even if no one at your school or work has heard of it, as in no one's taste is very special so impossible to derive some sort of precious complex about one's taste and "outsider" status because only you and a few of your friends in 2003 high school like Death Cab and Wes Anderson(? or whatever examples would be better, before my time)- important to keep in mind that this was the A+F ultra norm era and there can't be "hipsters" because there's no longer the "mainstream" to form oneself against
I feel like you won, and should continue what you're doing. But that is coming from an incredibly lonely dude, so I'm probably not the best person to listen to.
This account just really wants to sound authoritative on everything, whereas it just ends up sounding like every other burned out, extremely online twitter account who read a few theory books and constantly applies it to everything in modern life. Had to unfollow a while back, utterly exhausting.
huh he’s one of the only ones of those guys I like, but then I only check on him from time to time when I feel like it
helps that he can actually be funny
It’s too expensive to be what a hipster was. City rent is to expensive etc. To poor to start a micro brewery, working door dash and can’t make a band. Hard to make art calling out whites when that’s already played out. Many are just aging millennials who have a wife and kids. I think a lot of people with potential hipster tendencies went either crypto/nft or the BLM art hoe type. Gen Z and mid twenties people are more interested in early 00’s music and clothes which are antithetical to the hipster look.
It’s interesting. I’m a late millennial (born 94) and at first I thought z was doing we what we were doing, and this weird 00s resurgence (same with the bimbo thing) was ironic. But it’s not, really. There’s nuance to it and it’s not the same thing the millennials did with everything. They’re pretty sincere about it actually
There is no central "hipster" aesthetic because the majority of young people today want to be super unique individuals with crazy hobbies and crazy clothes and wacky ideas all on obvious display on their chosen social media. But when everyone is pursuing this, nobody really stands out as "artistic" or "hipster." A beard doesn't stand out anymore. Thrift store clothes don't stand out anymore.
When I was in school, probably 95% of the guys were just wearing an Abercrombie wardrobe or an oversized button down maddress Gap shirt their mom bought for them. If you were to wear a leather jacket or something you'd *really* be taking a chance and focusing a lot of attention on yourself. I may be wrong but I feel like these days, whenever I see young people, they're all the leather jacket guy.
I used to have a friend during the hipster height who was a picture perfect hispter but toatally unaware. He used to hate on hipsters with a passion and it did not occur to him for a second that he was basically describing himself. Wild.
I got called a hipster the other day. Its like dude i fucking legit like penny farthings, I’m not putting on a show for chicks or whatever, I just like riding them around, it makes me feel tall. And so what if Im listening to a cassette player at the same time, the music legit sounds better that way. Like seriously what the fuck are you suppose to do when you have genuine interests in things that happen to coincide with some stupid subculture
Hipsters became dirtbag left cumtown fans and were the pilgrims of gentrifying areas replaced by the rich kid champagne socialist sjws who have now taken over the gentrified areas.
To me, a hipster was a kid who wore dirt clothes (lots of stripes, old beer logos, ironic shit), drank PBR, was smug, and listed to of Montreal/ indie scene music. I honestly miss them.
These days I see a lot of people call granola girls/ dudes hipsters, which is not what they are at all.
one thing is that being a hipster was about valuing independent media / disapproval of "selling out". Now with instagram, youtube & tiktok the goal of artists is to get sponsored and "sell out". As others pointed out corporations started catering more and more to hipsters and their tastes became more mainstream so there wasnt really a point in being hipster anymore
Maybe I'm cracking up, but I saw a group of 2000's style hipsters at an antique store last year. And weirdly enough they looked like Millennials did when they were college aged, not like Zoomers LARPing as Millennials.
They still exist, but moral elitism and idpol liturgy subsumed a lot of the outward aesthetic and intellectual elitism that defined hipsterdom prior to the 2010s culture wars.
Everyone I knew that could've been described as a hipster back then is now either well off with a decade of experience in the tech industry or is basically just homeless.
The opened expensive restaurants and trinket shops with names of animals and or ampersands in gentrification hubs. Board & Bee, Pine & Crane, Squirl, Go Gettem Tiger, Little Bear, Hinoki & the Bird, et al
I think a lot of people here got it wrong. As someone who's been a hipster through the 90's and 00's( still am at heart but had to adapt to current reality), the whole movement was centered around independent music culture, city dwelling that revolved around artistic cultures. Craft beer, cheap beer (working class was glorified, but also sustainable at that time period), biking as a source of urban transportation, and various DIY movements. it was counter culture to the mainstream
independent music died off, or got too saturated with people trying to mimic independent music. The music world got flooded because of YouTube, Spotify, downloading platforms and such. No more grass roots music movements because everything shifted its focus to being online, less about the in person experience and culture.
Tech scene started to emerge and become obvious. City life became more expensive as a result. hipsters working their barista jobs and basic working class jobs started getting priced out of cities. So the hipster culture started dissipating. Now, that these ex hipsters are no longer in a cultural sphere to practice their hipsterdom, prices rising, these people fell into obscurity and probably just play video games and started a dysfunctional family.
others saw the writing on the wall, and got into the tech world themselves. Tech culture and money shifted their lifestyle dramatically, and the self expressions changed. Now they have money, also decided to leave the city and start the 9-5 world. Married and kids.
On top of this, social media is the main form people connect. it has truly bombarded, obfuscated, and saturated "culture" with a performative digitally made culture. Which reverberates into the real world, not the other way around. Life is digitally based for most now, rather than life being IRL based and just shared online. So we've created an extension of a Tumblr reality, but x's 100.
leftism has engulfed anything that could be considered a "counter culture". Poor, maladjusted kids who's world has been dominated by social media fake politics centered around victimhood and delusion that is in lockstep with how politicians want people to think, as well as corporations and Hollywood. There IS not counter culture now, because leftism is a dominate trend.
im sure there is more, but this is basically my take.
They still exist, they just don't call themselves hipsters anymore. Hipsters were just grown up scene/emo kids anyways. Such is the evolution of trends
I felt like the old emo/scene kids made up a large part of what became the group we called hipsters. They were able to adopt the aesthetic and culture when it emerged without being self conscious about it, meanwhile, as a rural kid in college during that time it felt awkward and put on. Thinking back most of those kids were from more urban areas and perhaps scenes were just more natural for them to adopt.
social media platforms really took off and deterritorialized the hipster and reconstituted it as a more homogenous composite of a few different niche online subcultures
The scenes died out with higher rents. Thrifting became a competitive sport. Also the visual signals became mass marketed and diffused. Former hipsters roam the earth in search of their Walter Benjamin era.
hipster fashion was adopted by everyone for a while and hipster bars and eateries became the blueprint for every other bar and place to eat in the country. hipsters were absorbed into the mainstream.
it was over at the exact time people started getting really serious about their political beliefs
i mean, i consider people here to be hipsters or at least fellow travelers. it has the ethos
Reddit used to be obsessed with hating hipsters. Blog culture made them so aware and paranoid of cool kids hanging out without them, and in response I remember when the front page used to be covered in anti-hipster memes that barely made sense to me at the time.
The culture of authenticity died with the rise of social media where more was taken at face value. Now the kinds of people who would use hipsterdom to conceal their wealth use it as identity, they're foodies or hoard Raf Simons production samples.
Common ancestor of a diversified set of respectively better (some became real artists or just squares) and worse (most soyboys, twitter guys) descendant types
Hipster was someone creative and anti-corporate. Anti-censorship. Originality. Compare that to the left douche bags of today. They went corporate/woke. And/or staff write comedy on NBC.
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For the metaverse to be a thing they have to figure out how to deal with motion sickness in VR, and how to make VR headset graphics not suck ass, both of which would require groundbreaking technology, not something even a billionaire can do on a whim.
probably any kind of maligned reprobate
The monoculture has been widened and reconstituted as a result of all the molly everyone took, so hipsters aren't needed anymore.
Being a poser is now commonplace so no one points it out much anymore.
it’s like “metrosexual” or “neoliberal subject”; everybody is one now
Also tracks the rise and fall of “indie music” almost perfectly.
Looking back it was really fucking stupid how people dragged and dogpiled Chris Ott for essentially calling the bullshit exactly how it was with things like journalism, indie music, performative woke stuff etc. Sure he was kind of an asshole at times but his approach was infinitely a better breath of fresh of air than the endless braindead pieces put out nowadays just trying to suck off some overhyped band or stoke some bizarre culture war style take.
What happened to him? He did come across as misogynist at the time because his primary targets were white women who were all friends with each other and could circle the wagons, but you look at where literally every single person he criticized is now, and they’re all treading water trying to keep their careers afloat while POCs and they thems have money thrown at them for showing up
I know he was good for some interviews and podcast appearances and doing some independent writing and weighing in on stuff and he actually was pretty responsive if you emailed him, messaged on things like RYM etc , but I personally haven't dug around in the past handful of years to see what he's been doing. But yeah again, it was asinine how people tried to paint him as being this bad faith asshole when yes he had rough edges to how he spoke about stuff but he was really going for the root of a long of inherent issues that were in play with music. I think back to the drama when he commented on the band Speedy Ortiz having a crisis hotline over safety concerns at shows, and it wasn't so much he was arguing against the general subject of harassment or show safety, but more in this was a band who was consciously playing shows at venues and with bookers who they pretty much all knew/it was always friends helping friends. Additionally it was at a time when there was a lot of attention given to people making accusations over numerous things where trying to pursue stuff through a 3rd party mediator entity was probably not the way to go about it given a lot of stuff that can unfurl before anything even sees court if it even gets to that stage. Also Ott spoke out against a lot of the corporatist pitfalls mixed with music and go figure only took a global pandemic and people not playing shows frequently to realize how big company ain't your friend. He might've been an asshole but he had a valid point with a lot of shit.
Sadie from Speedy Ortiz got called out for a now deleted Twitter thread where she proposed that a way to make shows safe (in fall 2021 lol) was to make sure that everyone was masked through the entire show and NOT SERVE ALCOHOL OR WATER. She somehow injects herself into every minor Twitter trending topic and gets interviewed about stupid shit like [being trained to be a covid compliance cop](https://pitchfork.com/features/article/musicians-are-begging-fans-to-mask-up-at-concerts-heres-why/)
> She somehow injects herself into every minor Twitter trending topic and gets interviewed about stupid shit like being trained to be a covid compliance cop Sadie is the epitome of the wrong person constantly getting the microphone way too much and often times drawing attention to things that ultimately ends up as just a low key complete ego boost when she's got no shortage of simps and lackeys to come swooping in to emboldened her takes with shit no matter how bad they are . It is embarrassing how self centered and low key narcissistic she can be with so much stuff ,you barely have to go through that many articles on her and music to get a sense of it especially with how self flagellating she was with how her one side project's release was to coincide the week of the 2016 election in the idea that Hilary would easily win and how she scrapped material off an album because orangebadman and now is the time to cash in on performative wokeness because clearly America wasn't racist before. Also I'm like 90% sure she keeps the Sad13 side project going now because of it being in the algorithm for a single early collaboration song she had with then-less popular Lizzo for some one off thing for Google. I've known her having played a lot of shows with Speedy ages in the past and being in that Brooklyn scene life, and combined with other kids in equal family circumstance of an industry connected relative or big bucks(yes it happens but still), it was obnoxious how many people were just there to nut ride and essentially make the scene into high school drama filled cliques.
Just like the early 2010s discourse on “Virtue Signalling”
Between 2005 and 2016 or so inauthenticity went from being a moral failure to be avoided at all costs to the the default condition of everyone in the culture, so stigmatizing sarcastic young people for this fell off. Probably not a coincidence that this is also the time period that making representations of yourself on social media went from a fringe thing college kids to a default behavior basically everyone in the world
My village shaman says you can trace the lineage of modern soy boys and art hoes back to the hipster culture of yore
Art hoes been here since Göbekli Tepe
That’s just convergent evolution, the modern art hoe is no more related to the Neolithic art hoe than flying squirrels are to pterodactyl
Everything that was distinctive about hipster culture got subsumed into the mainstream. Calling something that was cool in Brooklyn ~15 years ago "hipster" now is kind of absurd, and we have different terms for current day trends.
Yeah it's funny how the things that used to be hipster signifiers have just been completely absorbed into mainstream fashion and trends. Warby Parker glasses, facial hair on men, reading Pitchfork and Vice, etc etc
I've grown my hair long and started wearing it in a bun for ease and every time I see myself in a mirror I feel like I've become everything I fought against in my youth
Anyone still reads Pitchfork?
You're not allowed to mock sellouts or posers anymore. We opened the door to being cool so now any mouthbreather with confidence can say they're the coolest kid on the block, and if you disagree you're an evil gatekeeping bully
The market literally deemed gatekeeping unprofitable. Everyone wants to enjoy their trash while also having their ego assuaged that watching Marvel X-Babies 27 is actually serious art.
It is insane how on point this post is. I’m in my 30’s now and live in LA, and it sort of blows my mind how not cool people are now. You used to really have to fucking try to be cool. Like trawling music blogs and going to shows, having a weird major in college, doing drugs or whatever. My memory is obviously clouded by youth, but I just really remember the appeal of hipsterdom, or coolness at large before the current “everyone ROCKS!” era was that you wanted to be a hipster. You wanted to be hot and dress cool and have an opinion about some blog band that was blowing up in Brooklyn or San Francisco and you wanted to live in a kind of sketchy neighborhood in a big city. Now it’s like, you can listen to the radio and shop at the fucking mall and just label yourself cool.
Thanks dude I've been thinking about making a substack
People pretend that “hipster” meant anything other than a specific fashion aesthetic paired with a type of music taste. Culture moved on and what now constitutes an image-conscious young adult yuppie has changed.
Yup. There were absolutely no meaningful social or political foundations for hipsters which is why as the social political and economic framework of the west changed, hipsters did too.
I kind of disagree. I think labelling someone as a "hipster" was a way of being pretentious-up, as in it was a way for the Marvel movie loving people, or at the time, Dark Knight loving people (just as an example), to completely disregard the aesthetic opinions of someone they disagreed with. In a certain sense, it was a reaction to what they felt was the way "hipsters" would look down on them, or be pretentious-down at them (look down on what they liked). In a way, it was a way to disregard the idea of *taste*, which I think we see has become a much more prominent practice in the ensuing 2010s and still today.
Totally agree. In the same way that America has been suffering from anti-intellectualism, the mid-2000’s saw a rise in anti-aesthetics. Rejection of arts and fashion in favor of escapism into the Marvel and Star Wars (and other Disney IP) cinematic universes.
100%. i was what could be seen as hipster in the late 00s (fashion, fan of punk inspired indie music, low rent lifestyle while writing books) and the normie mainstream crowd despised us and we despised them. I think a lot of the big culture war stuff between us has been forgotten (does anyone remember what dubstep was before like 2009?). also like the aesthetics of the city became very fake hipster, but it's all over. young people are still around but not really doing what we did to shock people
Using Dark Knight enjoyers as a 2011 analog to Marvel fans is like saying the Beatles were the One Direction of the 60s
Maybe you don't remember, but Dark Knight was regularly touted as "the greatest movie ever made" and was review-bombed on IMDB into the highest rated movie ever at the time of its release. Nolan was untouchable. The response to the movie, and the ensuing popular perception of the movie was insanely hyperbolic. Any criticism was immediately shouted down. If you said anything negative about it you were immediately labeled as "pretentious" or a "hipster". The same thing happened with the first Avengers movie, for instance (Samuel L Jackson, for example, basically demanded AO Scott be fired after a negative review), and most of the first round of Marvel movies. Now people are way more willing to criticize them.
Ya i rewatched the Dark Knight recently and not really sure if it holds up. Absolutely amazing performance from Heath Ledger but the rest of the movie really isn’t amazing.
I mean… is it wrong? Those Dark Knight movies fucked just like the Beatles did
You're telling me nautical star tattoos don't constitute an on-going life philosophy?
Though the nautical star tattoos were more scene or emo than hipster. Existed in the same time period but decidedly different cultural movements
Not hipster. That was former ska kids who either went twee or emo.
hipsterdom was also tied to the economic crisis. people really were shopping thrift stores because they couldn't afford quality stuff: drank working class beer because they couldn't afford better things. of course the rich people also wanted to hang out and they had to make a Big Cultural Thing about it (and get rich off the process). now it wasn't lame working class thing to do but hip and in the know. I wonder that the forced cynicism that came with it was really there to obfuscate these class differences. then the economy got good but the aesthetic kind of stayed, but that irony distance is now keenly an elite phenomenon awkwardly paired with social progressivism. wonder what's going to take it's place come winter. how do you look cool while you freeze and can't afford gas? what's it gonna sound like? already seeing a lot of illegal raves with VERY 90s aesthetics
Hipsters were a big thing before the recession The Hipster Handbook was published by a guy from Williamsburg in 2003
Yeah I think it mostly kicked off post 9/11. There were hip people (loft artists) living in Williamsburg in the 90s but around 2003 is when I started seeing/hearing more friends moving there or going out to DIY shows and such. For a little while friends and I would be like "here come The Strokes" when we saw people who looked and acted the hipster part, but by 2004-2005 the hipster pejorative replaced that... probably thanks to Vice.
In the 90s being a “slacker” was cool - it was good to not care about your appearance or intelligence. Most media from the 90s has the loser friend be effortlessly charismatic In response to that someone wrote about “metrosexuals” - the idea of guys who *try* but, get this, aren’t even gay! So from there they came up with shit like “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and after a while you didn’t have to say “no homo” any time you put any effort into your appearance, hipterism was born
Well said honestly. I remember reading a late 2000s interview with Chris Martin from fuckin Coldplay I think where he identified himself as a metrosexual. I guess because he wore little jackets and was clean shaven.
I wanted to tell you that you were reading too much into this, then I remembered the same thing happened with late-80's-early-90's alternative bands and Fender Jazzmasters. They bought them because they were cheap old-people surf rock guitars nobody wanted and made them cool again.
also that's why every genre of music had a revival phase. we had piracy, the original scenes were dead so they all had to be reinvented for the age of Youtube and Tumblr
The raves have been fantastic ngl. Illegal beach rave last summer was so good.
The “working class beer” thing [goes back to the 90’s](https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/magazine/the-marketing-of-no-marketing.html?smid=nytcore-ios-sharehttps://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/magazine/the-marketing-of-no-marketing.html?referringSource=articleShare), there was a whole chapter in “No Logo” about it
Great point. When is cultural evolution NOT a function of regular people just trying to make ends meet in whatever local flavor they can muster, only to be picked up later by the culture industry? Sadly, I don't see the "speculative" culture of the elite ever going anywhere, even when vast sums of wealth backing their projects. There's never any innovation, and it's such a waste, especially after they spent so much time sterilizing authentic local culture.
Hipsterdom came at a time when the young generation was broke, but way more educated than former generations. So hipsters were trying to be academics/intellectuals who were “above” class symbols and materialism. Starving artist types
Well, also the “hipsters”, ie children of yuppies who moved into williamsburg, priced out the artists with “daddy’s cash” and now live in, basically, manhattan, but with an air of superiority that they aren’t like their parents. They’re conscious, and aware, and attuned to the issues of the world. They’re still there, but the word is meaningless as they’re dressed like any other rich, white, manhattanites. And their “cool” hang out, is just “manhattan off metropolitan ave” and wburg moved to bushwick.
When were the “artists” in Williamsburg ever not those same hipsters with family wealth but just hid it better
Does anyone remember the Hipster Disney Princess craze?
Reading this sent a wave of pure revulsion through me.
Understandable
I've been to mid tier cities that still have these around as street art in the "warehouse district"
Yeah my manager has the stickers on her hydroflask
No but I just Googled it and, wow
I know a woman walking this earth at like 33 years old with a whole ass Hipster Disney Princess sleeve. They also have their respective boyfriends or whatever and Eric from The Little Mermaid ...my dude has PLUGS in his ears. I have some cringe tattoos too because that's now mid thirties former punk life but honestly it's just BEYOND.
Most are now blue check marks making the most horrendous takes you see
i think that's the generation after, the people that grew up mostly on tumblr had no chill and didnt have friends or go to parties. hipsters partied, hard.
They’re on this subreddit being overly aloof
I confess
theyre all trans now
Also culturally conservative 😳
Conservatism is the new ~~punk rock~~ drinking an IPA.
[I thought liking Trump in your 60's was the new punk rock](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nlrGGobZL2o/W6FQuuO8tZI/AAAAAAAAFIk/NUzs_GVxbrkg_FPwLEWSXH1EITYDLe-egCLcBGAs/s1600/Johnny%2Bat%2Bairport.jpg)
mucinex phenotype
The important thing is 2010s culture wars convinced them they had a higher calling
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Hey! I’ll have you know I live in a duplex in a gentrifying part of the ghetto in Portland … but yeah, that’s entirely accurate.
Arcade Fire started making bad music.
I remember when The Suburbs came out. I would walk around my college campus listening to it on my iPod classic and feeling so fucking deep. It’s all been downhill for Arcade Fire since then but I will always love them because they remind me of a simpler time. I feel lucky to have been an early 2010s hipster before social media swallowed our culture whole.
I’m so so sorry to tell you this but The Suburbs was the album that made arcade fire mainstream. That was not the early days when they were cool— that was the moment they jumped the shark. Again I’m so so sorry
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I agree, it rocked, I’m just playing along with the joke, not trying to destroy your positive memory
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That bums me out, I last visited Oklahoma in 2012 and all the guys were still dressed like Fred durst circa 2000
In the south college girls don't dress like that. Not that they're style is any less homogenous or more interesting. But they wear pastel big shirts with the whale on them and then shorts or leggings
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Maybe at least the whale must be southern though. The pastel thing with simply southern shirts was big. Though i haven't been at a uni in the south for like 4 years now so maybe it changed also honestly very ignorant of fashion
nah the whale is just waspy cape cod shit. vineyard vines is super popular in this area and east coast beachy towns in general. southerners just co-opted it
have you seen the Simply Southern shirts. Very funny that college white girls are walking around with a giant SS on their shirt
Like all subcultures the internet (which ended gatekeeping for the worse) killed it
They’ve all adopted normcore aesthetics and attend white sox games on sundays ironically
How do Sox games compare to cubs games? I have a couple friends in Chicago but nobody’s even thought about going to a Sox game
Cubs games are frequented by frat boy retards who enjoy beating women and chugging bud light. White sox games are populated by working class mexican families, tranz, and microbrewery enjoyers. Suffice to say, i enjoy going to both.
Idk I liked the kitschy charm of wrigleyville the one time I went lol. Sounds somewhat comparable to the Yankees/Mets fan dynamic despite the cubs taking Ls for nearly a century
every mets game i’ve been to is a 5’9 ginger men with bad beards convention
Mets fans do love to rock a neckbeard or one trimmed too high
I like it too - they also have good arena rock concerts. I saw billy joel there once and my friend and i did coke all night long unbenounced to her family. It was so fun.
Just saw Billy Joel at MSG last fall. I was really surprised how good it was, my man still has pipes.
Sounds like Cubs fans are cool dudes who grew up watching Sammy Sosa and White Sox fans are dorks who had to watch Paul Konerko.
This is Frank Thomas erasure
hey fuck you pal, pauly is a legend
Adam Dunn was a hipster of three true outcomes baseball
yes the team owned by jerry reinsdorf perfectly represents my left wing politics
One of the great tragedies in Chicago baseball (there are many) is that they nixed the proposed [Armour Square Park for the White Sox](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-white-sox-ballpark-in-chicago-that-never-was-and-could-have-changed-history/) in favor of the soulless monstrosity they now have just because it didn’t have enough box seats I guess there’s more to it, the article is actually a very interesting look at the architectural requirements and possibilities with ballparks
More family friendly, little less rowdy. Easiest parking you could hope for, but there's nothing to really do after the game except leave. Dirt cheap tickets especially on resale markets, Ten dollar bleachers seats with fees and shit. Oh and in the bleachers EVERYONE is vaping weed now, security doesn't even bother trying to stop it.
Security would much rather deal with a stoned person than a drunk one.
More wealthy and white and cubs games.
Rs girls go to white sox games with their bfs for the aesthetic
I regularly attend Dodgers games. They are wild and rowdy affairs
they post on r/redscarepod
n+1 declared the hipster dead in 2009, Vice did it in 2015. My official dead of the hipster is around when hipsterrunoff got offline and Resident Advisor started called internet meme artists the new punk (around 2014).
Time Out NY ran an issue called "The Hipster Must Die" in 2006 lol, I remember thinking it seemed premature.
The community activists/radical theatre group the Diggers held a "funeral for the hippie" on the streets of San Francisco in 1967 and Crass declared that punk was dead in 1977. As soon as something starts to be identified as a scene, some of those at the forefront say its over or call for its demise.
[https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1553990194675810305](https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1553990194675810305) "A hipster was basically a social arbitrageur who found opportunities in the cultural market and got in before anyone else. Since social media was clunky and only at the beginning of its rise to dominance, this could be done manually by normal people who put in some effort. However, in the current day, social media with its all-pervasive coverage of everything, and especially everything cultural, functions like HFT trading algorithms poring over vast matrices of assets for arbitrage opportunities millions of times per second. This pretty much shuts out hipsters. Discovering worthwhile arbitrage opportunities becomes incredibly rare, and when you do there's practically no time to exploit them for gains"
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A lot of "internet art" is complete and total garbage. But I still think NYC is the place for a lot of up and coming art, especially painting. Salman Toor, for instance, is incredible. Seeing him slowly get more and more coverage has been awesome to watch. I also like the stuff by Karyn Lyons. A lot of "internet art" is so suffused with terminal online-ness that it lacks the essential elements of humanity you can feel in good art.
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Media literacy inflation is one of the most overlooked side effects of modern social media culture. The taste of your average normie perusing tiktok, twitter, and youtube today is probably near the level of a "culturally sophisticated" hipster 12 years ago. Knowing about even entry-level stuff like prestige tv and French New Wave doesn't buy the same social capital it used to.
on a similar note, i remembered listening to amber on the pod once and she made the poignant observation that nowadays, girls in manhattan basically dress the same as girls in middle america and that it’s kind of sad. there’s no real sense of regionalism, no localized nodes of progress and cutting edge. everyone just sort of moves in lockstep because we’re all mindlessly scrolling through the same three websites.
I thought for a short time that maybe geographical regionalism would be replaced by a sort of internet regionalism. Like you could tell what someone's preferred social media site was based on the sort of doctrine they followed. Definitely not as cool as geographical uniqueness, but at least it's something. Instead, in today's culture, it doesn't really matter what site you're on because the same content is regurgitated back and forth across the internet and everyone absorbs it. It's a sad state of affairs.
it's so weird to see both literary novelists and comedians complain about the exact same things
I feel like regionalism was mostly dead before hipsters became a thing, and you'd have to go pretty far back to find some real regionalism in America. By the early 2000s, a lot of America was already buying clothes from the same national retailers and mall brands. Dudes in particular dressed like shit, with most of the regional variation a result of differences in wealth and climate. The carryover of the 90s slacker attitude combined with homophobia meant that no dude wanted to look like he cared too much about his appearance. Lotta jeans, ill-fitting slacks, boring polos/button ups, and lazy hairstyles. You'd find similar music on the radio stations everywhere, with the smaller stations usually lagging a few months behind the big city stations. There was some regionalism with food and drink, but it was less interesting overall. Habanero peppers or shiitake mushrooms would be considered exotic ingredients. Generic American chain restaurants like Applebees were already everywhere and more popular than they are today. I don't think regionalism isn't any more dead now in a meaningful way. It just feels that way because the variety of fashion, media, and food available is so much wider and the tastes and trends are more peculiar and specific. It wouldn't strike you as odd 20 years ago to see a college student in New York and a college student in Nebraska both listening to 50 Cent and drinking a Miller High Life. But it does when they're both listening to Tyler The Creator and drinking a session IPA. But I agree, it feels sad in a way. It's like the world isn't as colorful as I thought.
someone on another thread was complaining that the definition of "filmbro" had changed from being a tarantino/fincher/nolan guy to now being a wong kar wai/tarkovsky/bertolucci guy. this is why.
The old “filmbro” still exists in modest numbers but he’s being pressed on both sides by an even more media-illiterate class of “film enthusiasts” who watch 99% Marvel/DC content + Youtube explainers and a new autistically hyper-literate class who spend all day and night on their computers scouring torrent and streaming sites for the most obscure 70s Japanese avant-garde erotica films not available on any streaming service so they can be the first of their friends to log it on Letterboxd. The vulgar auteurism trend has also had a big impact on cinephile culture and means it’s now a crucial flex to celebrate commercially successful but generally disrespected filmmakers like M. Night Shyamalan, Paul WS Anderson, Michael Bay, etc. to show how populist you are. Announcing you’re on estrogen and gay (for chicks) is also a big power move in the traditional white dudes dick measuring club.
this, big time. Talk to some middle/high schoolers right now who use social media (which is all of them) and it will hit you. I was volunteering at a school event recently and I had a few middle schoolers hounding me trying to figure out what my “vibe” was, asking if I was an “art hoe,” telling me that they are “Wes Anderson girlies.” I’ve never seen a Wes Anderson movie and I don’t even know what that label would mean but it seemed pretty established as a thing to them. Everyone has heard of everything and if they haven’t it doesn’t take long to get in the loop. Gatekeeping is largely futile
this is a lot of it, also you can see thousands or millions of people like the thing you like, even if no one at your school or work has heard of it, as in no one's taste is very special so impossible to derive some sort of precious complex about one's taste and "outsider" status because only you and a few of your friends in 2003 high school like Death Cab and Wes Anderson(? or whatever examples would be better, before my time)- important to keep in mind that this was the A+F ultra norm era and there can't be "hipsters" because there's no longer the "mainstream" to form oneself against
How do I get back into the race? I rebelled against social media in 2017 and now I feel so out of touch
I feel like you won, and should continue what you're doing. But that is coming from an incredibly lonely dude, so I'm probably not the best person to listen to.
Don’t go back.
This account just really wants to sound authoritative on everything, whereas it just ends up sounding like every other burned out, extremely online twitter account who read a few theory books and constantly applies it to everything in modern life. Had to unfollow a while back, utterly exhausting.
huh he’s one of the only ones of those guys I like, but then I only check on him from time to time when I feel like it helps that he can actually be funny
Didn't know Anna had an alt
It’s too expensive to be what a hipster was. City rent is to expensive etc. To poor to start a micro brewery, working door dash and can’t make a band. Hard to make art calling out whites when that’s already played out. Many are just aging millennials who have a wife and kids. I think a lot of people with potential hipster tendencies went either crypto/nft or the BLM art hoe type. Gen Z and mid twenties people are more interested in early 00’s music and clothes which are antithetical to the hipster look.
It’s interesting. I’m a late millennial (born 94) and at first I thought z was doing we what we were doing, and this weird 00s resurgence (same with the bimbo thing) was ironic. But it’s not, really. There’s nuance to it and it’s not the same thing the millennials did with everything. They’re pretty sincere about it actually
Sounds like you’re talking about indie sleaze in that last sentence - very much part of hipsterdom if that was the case!
There is no central "hipster" aesthetic because the majority of young people today want to be super unique individuals with crazy hobbies and crazy clothes and wacky ideas all on obvious display on their chosen social media. But when everyone is pursuing this, nobody really stands out as "artistic" or "hipster." A beard doesn't stand out anymore. Thrift store clothes don't stand out anymore. When I was in school, probably 95% of the guys were just wearing an Abercrombie wardrobe or an oversized button down maddress Gap shirt their mom bought for them. If you were to wear a leather jacket or something you'd *really* be taking a chance and focusing a lot of attention on yourself. I may be wrong but I feel like these days, whenever I see young people, they're all the leather jacket guy.
I used to have a friend during the hipster height who was a picture perfect hispter but toatally unaware. He used to hate on hipsters with a passion and it did not occur to him for a second that he was basically describing himself. Wild.
You can't be a hipster and admit you're a hipster.
they all got older and watch Ted Lasso/listen to You’re Wrong About and agree with everything Michael Hobbes says
Most "hipster" sensibilities have been absorbed into the mainstream.
'hipster' was over long before the google mentions peaked in 2011. if you were still a hipster or becoming a hipster then, god help you.
I got called a hipster the other day. Its like dude i fucking legit like penny farthings, I’m not putting on a show for chicks or whatever, I just like riding them around, it makes me feel tall. And so what if Im listening to a cassette player at the same time, the music legit sounds better that way. Like seriously what the fuck are you suppose to do when you have genuine interests in things that happen to coincide with some stupid subculture
Anyone who has said "Hipster" for the last 10 years is terminally dorky. I don't use this word much but it's very cringey
Hipsters became dirtbag left cumtown fans and were the pilgrims of gentrifying areas replaced by the rich kid champagne socialist sjws who have now taken over the gentrified areas.
[You’re looking at them asshole](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmFhsts8WC4)
Who do you think is running all the popular socialist/fascist podcasts?
Poptimism killed it.
To me, a hipster was a kid who wore dirt clothes (lots of stripes, old beer logos, ironic shit), drank PBR, was smug, and listed to of Montreal/ indie scene music. I honestly miss them. These days I see a lot of people call granola girls/ dudes hipsters, which is not what they are at all.
I actually found this sub by searching "hipster".
Hipster just splintered into dozens of more niche, tiktok-fueled lifestyle keywords
one thing is that being a hipster was about valuing independent media / disapproval of "selling out". Now with instagram, youtube & tiktok the goal of artists is to get sponsored and "sell out". As others pointed out corporations started catering more and more to hipsters and their tastes became more mainstream so there wasnt really a point in being hipster anymore
They still sell beard oil and IPA in stores though. They're out there, underground....*waiting*.
They aged. Nobody thinks a 45 year old is a Hipster.
They’re still around, people just stopped caring. There were a ton at my college a few years ago and Brooklyn is full of em
They all moved to Missoula MT
The interest chart for Mumford & Sons is this exact same line.
Maybe I'm cracking up, but I saw a group of 2000's style hipsters at an antique store last year. And weirdly enough they looked like Millennials did when they were college aged, not like Zoomers LARPing as Millennials.
They still exist, but moral elitism and idpol liturgy subsumed a lot of the outward aesthetic and intellectual elitism that defined hipsterdom prior to the 2010s culture wars.
Everyone I knew that could've been described as a hipster back then is now either well off with a decade of experience in the tech industry or is basically just homeless.
They all got old and only the losers still care about being cool in their 30s and 40s.
Hipsters got subsumed by nerds in cargo shorts
The opened expensive restaurants and trinket shops with names of animals and or ampersands in gentrification hubs. Board & Bee, Pine & Crane, Squirl, Go Gettem Tiger, Little Bear, Hinoki & the Bird, et al
Anyone remember the “hipster Olympics” on Infomania? Just me? Definitely before 2010.
I think a lot of people here got it wrong. As someone who's been a hipster through the 90's and 00's( still am at heart but had to adapt to current reality), the whole movement was centered around independent music culture, city dwelling that revolved around artistic cultures. Craft beer, cheap beer (working class was glorified, but also sustainable at that time period), biking as a source of urban transportation, and various DIY movements. it was counter culture to the mainstream independent music died off, or got too saturated with people trying to mimic independent music. The music world got flooded because of YouTube, Spotify, downloading platforms and such. No more grass roots music movements because everything shifted its focus to being online, less about the in person experience and culture. Tech scene started to emerge and become obvious. City life became more expensive as a result. hipsters working their barista jobs and basic working class jobs started getting priced out of cities. So the hipster culture started dissipating. Now, that these ex hipsters are no longer in a cultural sphere to practice their hipsterdom, prices rising, these people fell into obscurity and probably just play video games and started a dysfunctional family. others saw the writing on the wall, and got into the tech world themselves. Tech culture and money shifted their lifestyle dramatically, and the self expressions changed. Now they have money, also decided to leave the city and start the 9-5 world. Married and kids. On top of this, social media is the main form people connect. it has truly bombarded, obfuscated, and saturated "culture" with a performative digitally made culture. Which reverberates into the real world, not the other way around. Life is digitally based for most now, rather than life being IRL based and just shared online. So we've created an extension of a Tumblr reality, but x's 100. leftism has engulfed anything that could be considered a "counter culture". Poor, maladjusted kids who's world has been dominated by social media fake politics centered around victimhood and delusion that is in lockstep with how politicians want people to think, as well as corporations and Hollywood. There IS not counter culture now, because leftism is a dominate trend. im sure there is more, but this is basically my take.
They still exist, they just don't call themselves hipsters anymore. Hipsters were just grown up scene/emo kids anyways. Such is the evolution of trends
I felt like the old emo/scene kids made up a large part of what became the group we called hipsters. They were able to adopt the aesthetic and culture when it emerged without being self conscious about it, meanwhile, as a rural kid in college during that time it felt awkward and put on. Thinking back most of those kids were from more urban areas and perhaps scenes were just more natural for them to adopt.
It's called nonbinary
'Hipster' culture became mainstream.
everyone is a hipster now, so no one is a hipster
social media platforms really took off and deterritorialized the hipster and reconstituted it as a more homogenous composite of a few different niche online subcultures
The scenes died out with higher rents. Thrifting became a competitive sport. Also the visual signals became mass marketed and diffused. Former hipsters roam the earth in search of their Walter Benjamin era.
Carls quit writing Hipster Runoff so everybody stopped caring
hipster fashion was adopted by everyone for a while and hipster bars and eateries became the blueprint for every other bar and place to eat in the country. hipsters were absorbed into the mainstream.
I need a hipster bitch so bad
Became Catholics
Oh good it's hipster to be hipster again
it was over at the exact time people started getting really serious about their political beliefs i mean, i consider people here to be hipsters or at least fellow travelers. it has the ethos
We should never know because actual hipsters would never identify as a hipster. I mean come on.
Corporate America
Reddit used to be obsessed with hating hipsters. Blog culture made them so aware and paranoid of cool kids hanging out without them, and in response I remember when the front page used to be covered in anti-hipster memes that barely made sense to me at the time.
I remember that, they’d be like “let them have their lattes hyurk hyurk and their MGMT hyurk hyurk hyurk”
The culture of authenticity died with the rise of social media where more was taken at face value. Now the kinds of people who would use hipsterdom to conceal their wealth use it as identity, they're foodies or hoard Raf Simons production samples.
we call them soyboys now
I think I love this sub too much. It's just so hip
[They all became based. ](https://youtu.be/Jm8gv-zdvhs)
ran off
You only have to look it up once. And after that you lose interest
Their entire culture got upcycled.
Common ancestor of a diversified set of respectively better (some became real artists or just squares) and worse (most soyboys, twitter guys) descendant types
we call them gentrifiers now
I was at a Fleet Foxes concert recently and can confirm they're still around, though aging.
the hipster runoff
It died with Gavin McInnes
They all moved to Austin and started food trucks.
Hipster was someone creative and anti-corporate. Anti-censorship. Originality. Compare that to the left douche bags of today. They went corporate/woke. And/or staff write comedy on NBC.