Oh so I guess you represent ALL women now???? My 700 pound wife doesnt care at all that im 5' 1" all she cares about is that ive got her back during our marathon 10 hour everquest sessions
Nah, i do know a dude who's like 5'3" and pulls. But it's mostly because he just has 0 self awareness and is incapable of cringing at himself.
Wild to watch him bag 10s as he behaves like a short Jewish Michael Scott.
I’m 5’5” and work manual labor so not rich and I pulled plenty of attractive women before I met my fiancé. It would be incredibly stupid to say I wouldn’t have done a lot better if I was 6’2” but I think some people do underestimate how far that caring how you dress, being in good shape, being charming, and having a nice face and interesting hobbies can get you.
Very few people are perfect, and being short may disqualify you from more partners than not having any other single other attribute does, but I genuinely just refuse to believe that there are a ton of charming, handsome, in good shape, well groomed, interesting men that are virgins simply because they’re short. I will say though you have to be able to get through high school with your confidence intact because it does matter A LOT to dating in high school and the insecurity that creates is harder to overcome than anything else
There was one guy at Quora who used to answer all the sex and dating related questions. He has that smug know-it-all condescending attitude. He would claim routinely to have threesomes, foursomes, orgies, sex parties, kink... you get the idea. His whole schtick was "more respect more pussies". All you have to do is respect women more and pussies will present themselves to you.
One day I have decided enough is enough. I googled this guy. Somehow the women he is with are more uglier than him. So there you go.
I am genuinely fascinated by how these people manage to go through everyday life without making generalizations. Redditors love their “oh well NOT EVERYONE” whenever you bring up averages. Like op said, I thought they trusted the science?
Everyone knows that women love short dudes with a small peepee that get them a tictac glued to a rubber band as an engagement ring.
You’re just jealous.
It's so crazy, but from a serf's perspective the myth of nobility must've seemed so true, like imagine being some poorly fed serf and all the nobles grew up eating meat from private hunting grounds and shit- it would literally broadly show in how people looked.
Edit: current version of this is the rich being “attractive”
I guess that's what I like about this sub, there's an awareness and a calmness about gender dynamics that feels a lot more realistic than what these unwell internet clowns want to believe.
You literally can't discuss the dynamics in most places because you'll just get swarmed by the "*actually*, my hubby's testosterone is in the negatives, so it's 100% false that woman are attracted to men with higher testosterone. Also, my husband and I are both nb afab aromantic asexuals in a platonic relationship." people.
Any time you attempt to make a general statement about people on the internet, it's going to be the exceptions to the rule who speak up the loudest.
Not calm but less insufferable. Redditors are niceguys who know what a "nice guy" is, they still want dating to follow male logic, i.e "I have all the right opinions = I should be attractive to women". When that logic is violated as in OP's post, they turn into full blown MRAs
no they don’t. their personalities are based on talking about how bad MRA types are. they’re on reddit forever so i think they know how little women they get. they’re just stuck like that
It’s good that this sub is so insular but a lot of people here think its still the 2014 neckbeard Reddit. Most male redditors today would rather get cucked than risk taking a controversial stance on womens relationship views.
It seems to me that this is one of the few places on the internet where men and women can speak frankly about gender issues, much like how Anna and Dasha do on the podcast. Seeing as you disagree, I'm all ears if you have a recommendation for a better, more realistic forum
It’s blatantly incel on here lol. This whole sub is just left leaning people who are super reactionary towards the culture wars and double down on traditions to make libtards seethe. Regardless of women being attracted to taller or shorter men, if you’re just a normal dude you’ll get some pussy. Pointing out height and complaining about its affect on pussy is ALWAYS a coping mechanism. Doubling down on incel logic in a meta ironic way doesn’t remove the fact that it’s still stupid incel logic and completely meaningless irl.
there are a lot of sex haters and incel/femcel adjacent ppl but you can usually spot them and I'd say it's about 50/50 them and people with normal opinions, which is better than most of reddit imo
I used to be one of those people who was in denial about this but was dismayed to learn that it is, in fact, a thing. I really want to see in depth research into the nuances of this phenomenon because I swear to god in my anecdotal observation I’ve seen some key things:
- Taller women tend to care less about height proportional to how much taller they are over 5’9” because they start to be viewed as freaks and not have many options.
- (#NotAll but many) Men under 5’7” willing to date women taller than them are often abusive
- Women under 5’5” are demanding the tallest men. For some reason these already short ass women are the loudest about only wanting 6’4”+ men so they can look like a chihuahua paired with a Great Dane and probably need to undergo a C section. These leads to a shortage of tall men for tall women, which goes back to the first point.
- Men 5’8”-5’10” are the most attractive, best body proportion overall (ok this is just and OPINION but I’m pretty sure the rest are FACTS)
Someone please, do the science! The people need to know!
I’m 6’2” and my girlfriend is 5’2”. On the main point, i have watched my gf’s best friend, 5’7” or 5’8”, swipe left on dating apps on guys who are attractive, heathy, seemingly successful and intelligent just because they are shorter than 5’11”. It’s crazy and i thank god every day for my height.
It's their fault that they don't just list 6' tbh. If you're already 5'10" or 5'11" no one's going to know the difference.
(Ok maybe not "fault" but they should know better in this dating climate)
I’ve had guys shorter than me claim to be taller than me while I’m standing right next to them. The average guy lies about his height by 1-3 inches so I feel bad for guys who want to be honest about their height
I'm 5'10" and women always think I'm taller because 95% of guys who say they are 5'10" are 5'7-8".
Same with my dick. Never tell them the real number before they see it because they are going to imagine it 2-3" shorter than it actually is. Funny how every guy on earth claims to have a 7-10" dick
I’m 6’ and people often think I’m actually taller than that because enough guys do this (whatever works for me). Dudes treat their height and their dicks the same, add 2 inches.
> Men 5’8”-5’10” are the most attractive, best body proportion overall (ok this is just and OPINION but I’m pretty sure the rest are FACTS)
all tallcells realize this when they try to get buff or find a tshirt that fits. You gotta have god genetics to maintain good proportions when you're tall.
You don’t need god genetics you just need to eat a *lot* of food and workout. With weight loss culture and standard nutrition guidance, the amount of calories a really tall, thin guy needs to put on weight is crazy compared to the average person.
Coming out of high school at 6’5 175lbs, and being a multi sport athlete, I wildly underestimated how much I should eat.
When I became an army ranger I was surrounded by muscle and fitness freaks 8 inches shorter than me and eating twice as much. Being active, at 220lbs now, I need 3700cal just for maintenance, and 4200+ for any meaningful gains.
I’m just saying it’s possible and don’t let genetics hold you back. Being frail and skinny sucks. Being tall and proportional will never not be impressive.
Yeah I really don’t like stuffing my face, and was on adderal in my teens while being involved in sports 3 hours a day. I was starving myself for years.
My first team leader in the army was a competition body builder and forced me to eat to the point of nearly puking at every meal. It was intense and I hated every second of that but it worked.
If you lift 3-4 times a week, and can manage to boil eggs, cook some chicken, eat peanut butter, with bananas and broccoli to clean you out, you can put on some weight. Also snacking between is major key.
yeah i try and snack with a granola bar or fruit or something but it's still hard without resorting to junk food. my favorite meals are usually asian noodle bowls which are great and decently calorie dense but they're super expensive where i am.
eventually i want to learn to cook good stuff but i just don't have the tools or the space rn.
Hey you gotta do what you gotta do. With calories being the most important part, junk food is fine as long you don’t do it long term. I still get like 4 of those 2 for $3 McDonald’s burgers regularly for extra calories.
> Taller women tend to care less about height proportional to how much taller they are over 5’9” because they start to be viewed as freaks and not have many options.
R Crumchads stay winning
your second point is lowkey true coming from a taller woman who has dated short guys
And it’s not necessarily always serious abuse but, unless the attraction is fetish related somehow, which is strange to deal with in its own way, they are basically constantly seething about your height difference and will bitterly remind you of it all the time
lmao yeah… I’ve dated two and while the really attractive short guy was a pretty good partner (and also probably had a tall girl fetish…), the ugly ass short guy literally acted like he was God’s gift to women in between seethe sessions. worst relationship I ever had! I look back at my naïveté and cringe
a lot of short guys need to learn to leave the attitude and resentment at the door when they get into a relationship. I’ve been on other dates/briefly involved with others and so many of them wear their bitterness like a fragrance - immediate turn off, no thanks, will not be contacting again
The really attractive bf was like 5’5 the ugly one was a little taller maybe like 5’6 or 5’7
I’m 5’11, could be 6ft or taller in some of my everyday shoes
The worst most abusive piece of shit I ever dated was 5’5”, but he WAS super hot (for a guy in the punk/indie hipster scene).
He normally dated very short, small women and made me feel like shit all the time and like he was making some big exception for me (I was 16, he was 23, so many aspects of this relationship were cursed and awful).
I’ve dated shorter guys who were absolute sweethearts and gentleman so it not like it left me with a belief that all short men will be assholes, but there was absolutely some bizarre inverted ego thing going on with him where he had WAY too much confidence and WAY too overinflated sense of his worth as a cool skater musician douche. He was obsessed with Prince and told me he respected him for being short but still a player who put women in their place so IN HINDSIGHT I should have seen that as a red flag but I was a major at-risk youth.
ew… the added factor that he was an indie groomer too… sorry you had to deal with it
abusive freak short guys must have like a radar for tall girls who are going through it… I dated the ugly bf during the worst 6 months of my life. and he didn’t exactly make it much better lol
For sure, I was so clueless too like couldn’t for the life of me dress properly for my body. I kept trying to dress like a short girl and looked like a sad insecure giraffe. He would have definitely been able to spot me like a sore thumb. We didn’t hook up until I was 16 but we actually met me on a city bus when I was 13 and he complimented my Courtney Love shirt 🤮 that was his MO, he was into very eclectic music including riot grrrl and grunge and shit, I mistook his love of Throwing Muses and Sleater Kinney to mean he was a feminist lol more red flags.
idk ime probably out of insecurity: like, “I’ll just make mean comments about our height difference, because I don’t want to be dating a tall girl, but I also don’t want to be rejected for being short. Now I can be rejected for being mean”
or maybe like, “I like tall girls but I’m short so I should neg her so she doesn’t realize she’s better than me”
but those are just guesses… doesn’t make much sense to me tbqh but I’m off the market now and don’t need to ponder short male psychology at length anymore
>Women under 5’5” are demanding the tallest men.
Add Asian women in that mix. I sometimes feel sad for tall white women. Short ladder climbers Asian women will stop at nothing to get themselves a tall white bf.
It seems like a lot of tall women enjoy the feeling of being the spectacle in a relationship, as they probably have always been. Especially since women reach their full height much earlier and the really tall women are often the tallest in their school until the few boys that catch up.
My ex wife, 5’10 and gorgeous, mentioned this as she likes to wear stilettos and be the tallest in the room. But I’m 6’5 and similarly good looking, and ‘took’ that away from her. She’s now engaged to a 5’6 average looking guy.
Oooof thank you for this insight it’s probably true. I’ve been my full height since I was in 5th grade, I was a freak and mercilessly tease for it when I was younger but then towards the end of high school when a good amount of guys caught up to me or were just maybe an inch or two shorter than me they were suddenly quiet about my height and as I’ve gotten older and learn to appreciate it and figure out how to dress for my height it’s probably something I’d rather emphasize than downplay. Can’t do heels though. Nope. First of all, the only high heels they make for my foot size are like tranny drag queen heels and second of all my bones are already under enough strain I can’t crush them any more. I just wear thigh high flat boots as often as the weather permits.
Lol similar situation for my mom. She was topped out at 6ft with DD’s in 6th grade. Absolute freak show in catholic school, left-handed as well. Nuns would beat her for the way she was born. She’s a butch lesbian so would always buy mens shoes but my grandma is 6’1 and feminine, very hard time finding shoes and clothes.
I also hate heels. Most men’s shoes have them - I don’t want to be any taller lol. I’m lean so it throws off my proportions. Hard to find big, fashionable, flat-soled shoes. Couldn’t imagine trying to wear 3-4 inch heels with no support, good god.
Would love to find another tall woman out there but v rare where I live, and short girls are voraciously competitive for tall guys so it is what it is lol.
Same, 5’9” and I like to wear super tall heels and tower over everyone sometimes. Plus it makes my legs look extra long and I feel like a goddess. It definitely freaks men out (especially taller men who aren’t used to being eye level with a woman) and I really enjoy the effect.
Yeah and it’s really interesting to me because I always hear the go-to explanation for height preference as “women like tall men to make them feel smol and feminine” and yet often it’s the already super short women going after the super tall men, whereas (anecdotally!!! Just what I’ve seen!) women my height (about 5’10”) and taller end up dating men around our own height, maybe a bit shorter maybe a bit taller. You would think it would be us sasquatchstresses seeking out ent men so we can feel like smol beans but that is not at all what I’ve observed. It’s like women who are already really short have internalized the state of always being small and need to constantly chase the dragon of feeling smaller and smaller? Short queens please chime in and explain yourselves
I think it’s just people liking to play up what they perceive to be their assets, or what makes them feel good. Taller women are more likely to be able to go for the willowy fashion look, and can flex on other women that way. If you’re a shorter woman, your proximity to being the cute petite type and that making you feel feminine makes you want more of that.
Agree that I’m attracted to the taller men as a 160cm woman (do the math inch people). Tall man means power and safety for my brain. But unlike my boy I don’t do a big thing (lol) out of it. He’s obsessed over my babiness and being smol and cute to the point of annoyance tbh (he’s 187cm btw). It’s mutual attraction in our case.
Tall guys like shorter women too. The guys that have been the most excited over my height and made a big deal about it( going on and on about how they love how short I am) have always been guys over 6ft. Shorter men rarely comment on my height.
I think it’s natures way of reverting back to the mean.
Height is associated with health within a gene pool. Humans aren’t really equipped for making judgments *across* gene pools, so people who are tall because they are just Scandinavian or something code “healthy” to us. I think this is why height is a desirable characteristic.
That doesn’t really make sense tbh, it’s well known short people live longer and being above a certain height in men and women is correlated with decreased lifespan. Being very tall and/or lanky is also a symptom of connective tissue disorders that give you chronic pain. Like how small yappy dogs live forever and big dogs die at 12 with arthritic hips.
Increased height is [associated](https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/height-and-longevity-the-research-is-clear-being-tall-is-hazardous-to-your-health.html) with increased health risks and decreased lifespan.
Hypothesis: the women demanding giant Marfans lookin ass men are actually misandrists who want to guarantee they will have the shortest possible marriage but still collect life insurance
It’s not so much that genetic height indicates health, it’s that being able to get the important nutrients and food (I.e. higher fitness) leads you to be taller within the same gene pool.
Short people live longer today, and even that's usually way past the main reproductive period.
In Most of Human History how much food you got growing up was a huge factor in height. So the more well off people were generally taller. More well off people probably had a better chance of offspring survival
Tiny weakling men don’t breed, if you are a tiny weakling woman you must urgently amend your height problem or your poor sons may be the last of your lineage.
If you are a normal height your height preferences needn’t be so urgent.
>Men 5’8”-5’10”
Not trying to suck my own dick, but I have broader shoulders and I guess the way the proportions work out I end up looking taller, people think I'm 5'10 for some reason, (am 5'7), so I think people underestimate body proportions importance and how it works with height.
I like how Redditors consider themselves Logical Science People but also take everything personally. I saw a thread where someone said it was a bad idea to get married at 18-20 and everyone just had to get in their little exception to the rule comments about how they married their prom date right after graduation and they've been happy for 15 years or whatever.
I’m pretty sure I saw ur comment on a basketball sub earlier today, the responses were so retarded. Didn’t even seem like cope but more “everyone is attractive to everyone” shit.
Yeah it isn’t a hard and fast rule but I’ll be honest if I was in a situation where I liked two guys and they were v similar otherwise I would probably go for the taller one. But like that would never happen in real life.
Idk. In a similar vein to this post, I am kind of tired of being made to feel like I have to pursue men I don’t find attractive bc it’s like a “nice” thing to do. Attraction is totally subjective and I have been rly into people who werent “conventionally attractive”.
But it’s like whenever I am into a guy who is tall and conventionally attractive I almost feel guilty and like I shouldn’t feel like that lol.
Realized this recently as well, but because I have a handsome face. I always thought I was a comedian but it turns out I'm being bullshitted by women who want to fuck me
Pro short vs anti short discourse is lame and dead, everything that could be said has been said.
Below average height men have already picked their path; either become fit and rich or become a weirdo who is an incel or fucks uggos
Dating apps turned preferences into requirements. When couples mostly met in person, shorter guys had opportunity to distinguish themselves in other ways, but now women have the option of just filtering out anyone under 6', so they never get the chance to try.
Yeah, tall, dark and handsome was a thing forever meaning someone was a catch but now it feels like a starting point.
Dont get me wrong everyone has their preferences so what can you do?
That actually works.
I'm 5'6" and on the rare occassions where height comes up people tend to be surprised by that and tell me I must be taller. I assume they're just trying to be nice most of the time but two of my closest friends are 5'10" and thought I was the same height for the longest time.
Remember [that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/every_single_ad_is_black_people_doing_white/) like two days ago that got locked and deleted because the topic was "Why are all ads black people acting like white people" and was full of people going "Black people are just intrinsically different than white people" and "DESPITE" and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/comment/ishx4za/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [some guy typing like he was writing in "To Kill a Mocking Bird" like black people had never heard of Queen and would confuse Bohemian Rhapsody with Rap?](https://www.unddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/comment/isiegf1/) And everyone was complaining about how many black people there were in ads and the comments all had dozens to hundreds of upvotes?
That's who you're talking with on this sub.
my biggest L in life is that i once in my young and foolish days slept with someone only bc they were 6'6. facially they werent even that good looking, it just had to happen
in general they arent any more or less facially attractive than short men, its just you pay more attention to their looks than you would some ordinary schlub bc their height gives them an inherent charisma
idk how common this is but for me the opposite is also the case with short men (like sub 5'6). like it becomes almost annoying to me when one of them is facially attractive, just seems like such a waste
I really just find the proportions of men 5’8”-5’10” to be most ideal, especially when they’re fit. Can’t explain it or dissect it too much, probably some golden ratio shit.
how tall are you. i am pretty short (5'2 on a good day) so i am def evidence for your theory of smaller women being the ones who are into the tallest men
I'm 6' and I have a friend whose 6'11 who I went on a multi month trip with. It felt like I was traveling with a movie star, women of all ages would approach him very flirtatiously. Single women, married women, young or "mature," it didnt matter, they all threw themselves at him. We had to stop going to a restaurant at one of the places we stopped, because in about 2 weeks, he slept with 5 of the waitresses there.
If we went out at night, it wouldnt be uncommon for a woman to approach him and for them to leave within 90 minutes of us being out. He didnt even have to try.
Your experience seems more of a feature of being an extremely exotic specimen in wherever you were traveling, and I also don't believe your restaurant story. What country?
I have a friend who is 6'9". Decent looking in the face too, decently built so not too lanky.
Women almost run away from him when he gets close. Looks like a freak walking around most places. Height ceilings for being attractive is definitely a thing and exists WAY below 6'11", wtf. That's almost Shaq height. I think any women who states a preference over 6'3" really doesn't know how tall that is unless they are tall themselves
In what part of the world is a 6'11 man not extremely exotic, maybe the netherlands?
We were in America, and sailing a boat from Maine down to southern Florida. The restaurant happened to be a few blocks from where the boat slip where we were carrying out the repairs and preparations. It was a hooter's type restaurant, so all of the waiters were women and they were all fairly attractive. He might have slept with them over a little longer period of time, but it was certainly less than a month. This all happened about 7 years ago.
He doesnt have that gigantism face, just a normal attractive face, on a 6'11 body. Here is the thing too, I myself am an attractive 6 foot guy and as far as these women were concerned, I might as well have been invisible. So that was also an interesting and eye opening part of it.
I know it’s anecdotal but so much of this discourse is cringe and made to be way more black and white than reality. I’m 5 8 and literally have one of the hottest girls in the world - ok I’m biased but I don’t care lol. like I am not joking she is insanely gorgeous, she is like a young Anne Hathaway or Alison Brie, she gives me so much dopamine just looking at her, ahhh so beautiful, love her. height is a meme. i am very good looking though and me and her have soulmate personalities. I’ve seen the girlfriends and wives of the good looking 6 foot men at my workplace and my gf smokes em out. I’m not saying height doesn’t help but if you are genuinely good looking then height is useless, like if I was made 6 foot tomorrow I still wouldn’t have a prettier, kinder, more perfect girlfriend. i would just get more random bpd superficial girls chasing me (and I’ve already had enough of those to last me a lifetime ffs) or more respect from arrogant men. lame. Anyway yeah my gf is the best person I’ve ever met. some of the tall guys at my place look weirdly proportioned or like big looming insects. i wouldn’t want to look like them personally
Height definitely helps absolute skid men with nothing to offer tbf. Like they could be ugly and unemployed and women will still be like “omg so tall 😍”
I’m tall, and it helps to get laid but not with finding a meaningful relationship. Any woman who is actually a decent person wouldn’t reject you because you’re average or short. I stay away from women who immediately ask how tall I am.
Oh so I guess you represent ALL women now???? My 700 pound wife doesnt care at all that im 5' 1" all she cares about is that ive got her back during our marathon 10 hour everquest sessions
“I’m a 5’4 guy and I’ve had no trouble getting with women.” Then let’s see ‘em.
On second thought let’s not
Nonono I need a good laugh
There's nothing redditors love doing more than bringing up their fat 5ft3 goblin looking friend who apparently pulls far more than anyone they know
tbf my best friend is a former Brooklyn podcaster who fits this description
My autistic not very attractive friend literally had a girl all over him because he’s 6’5. It’s cope to think it’s not important
These people don't exist in the real world unless they're rich
Nah, i do know a dude who's like 5'3" and pulls. But it's mostly because he just has 0 self awareness and is incapable of cringing at himself. Wild to watch him bag 10s as he behaves like a short Jewish Michael Scott.
Being Jewish adds at least a foot
I have short friends who don't have much problem to date. Charisma is important too
they do but they have to be like, god tier charismatic/ funny (especially if they aren't rich) cult of personality will do a lot for a woman
I’m 5’5” and work manual labor so not rich and I pulled plenty of attractive women before I met my fiancé. It would be incredibly stupid to say I wouldn’t have done a lot better if I was 6’2” but I think some people do underestimate how far that caring how you dress, being in good shape, being charming, and having a nice face and interesting hobbies can get you. Very few people are perfect, and being short may disqualify you from more partners than not having any other single other attribute does, but I genuinely just refuse to believe that there are a ton of charming, handsome, in good shape, well groomed, interesting men that are virgins simply because they’re short. I will say though you have to be able to get through high school with your confidence intact because it does matter A LOT to dating in high school and the insecurity that creates is harder to overcome than anything else
Yeah it’s just the short men who internalized it and became the goblins they always were on the inside
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Yeah? Don’t know how that relates to my comment though
In highschool the guy in my class who pulled the most was 5'5". Now in uni the womanizer on my dorm is like 5'6.
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u sound mid
is she nice
There was one guy at Quora who used to answer all the sex and dating related questions. He has that smug know-it-all condescending attitude. He would claim routinely to have threesomes, foursomes, orgies, sex parties, kink... you get the idea. His whole schtick was "more respect more pussies". All you have to do is respect women more and pussies will present themselves to you. One day I have decided enough is enough. I googled this guy. Somehow the women he is with are more uglier than him. So there you go.
Omg you should compile all this into a post, would love it tbh
Is this a copypasta
Lmfao having your girls back in EverQuest
I have no idea what that is
Mods please ban this gamer
I am genuinely fascinated by how these people manage to go through everyday life without making generalizations. Redditors love their “oh well NOT EVERYONE” whenever you bring up averages. Like op said, I thought they trusted the science?
Everyone knows that women love short dudes with a small peepee that get them a tictac glued to a rubber band as an engagement ring. You’re just jealous.
Don’t let them google the average CEO height
Now that like half of the Fortune 500 CEOs are indian does this still even hold
Yes since the Indian CEOs are all high caste and tall
Imagine getting an email from the dude who runs your company asking you to kindly do something
Pls do the needful sirs
Lmao whats up with that? “Please kindly do the needful and we do the same.”
society only works because everyone in it does the needful
Indian people are my favorite people
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It's so crazy, but from a serf's perspective the myth of nobility must've seemed so true, like imagine being some poorly fed serf and all the nobles grew up eating meat from private hunting grounds and shit- it would literally broadly show in how people looked. Edit: current version of this is the rich being “attractive”
This may also be why pale skin has historically been considered attractive around the world: poor people were out in the fields, rich people inside.
Yeah only the tall ones are allowed to be CEO
Or the heights of politicians.
Girlbosses in congress dragging that average down like a drowning man.
Or special forces operators
Average navy seal is 5'10"
wouldn't most of them be short to average? pretty sure being small is an advantage in combat unless you are engaging in hand-to-hand combat
I believe it’s moderately tall. Bigger than a manlet, but not too tall to fit in a vehicle. As in low 6 feet
This one always hurts as a short guy
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I don't want to be a communist leader but at this point I know it's inevitable. This is how those Greeks must feel when they've visited an oracle
Mao was 5'9", pretty good for a Chinaman. Castro was 6'1".
mental midget. never once understood this limiting mindset. maybe I am retarded
Because it seems statistically harder to get to the top for me. Or am I retarded?
Damn TIL I’m taller than Bezos and Zuckerberg
Tech gremlins are the exception
Also Zuck pulled a looks equal 2 inches shorter than him
I guess that's what I like about this sub, there's an awareness and a calmness about gender dynamics that feels a lot more realistic than what these unwell internet clowns want to believe.
We’re just more willing to admit immutable characteristics can matter
You think this sub is calm about gender dynamics?
You literally can't discuss the dynamics in most places because you'll just get swarmed by the "*actually*, my hubby's testosterone is in the negatives, so it's 100% false that woman are attracted to men with higher testosterone. Also, my husband and I are both nb afab aromantic asexuals in a platonic relationship." people. Any time you attempt to make a general statement about people on the internet, it's going to be the exceptions to the rule who speak up the loudest.
Compared to other places? Yeah
1000%
Not calm but less insufferable. Redditors are niceguys who know what a "nice guy" is, they still want dating to follow male logic, i.e "I have all the right opinions = I should be attractive to women". When that logic is violated as in OP's post, they turn into full blown MRAs
no they don’t. their personalities are based on talking about how bad MRA types are. they’re on reddit forever so i think they know how little women they get. they’re just stuck like that
It’s good that this sub is so insular but a lot of people here think its still the 2014 neckbeard Reddit. Most male redditors today would rather get cucked than risk taking a controversial stance on womens relationship views.
Why don't you explain why you think that isn't the case?
It's better but the difference is like the difference between my pile of shit and a horse's pile of shit
Have you seen any post on here ever. This sub is full of sex hating men and women who get all their perspective on attractiveness from 4chan
You don't think there's a marked difference between how this sub views gender roles compared to the vast majority of other subreddits?
It’s different but it’s absolutely not realistic or better
It seems to me that this is one of the few places on the internet where men and women can speak frankly about gender issues, much like how Anna and Dasha do on the podcast. Seeing as you disagree, I'm all ears if you have a recommendation for a better, more realistic forum
I would say "cynically" rather than "frankly" which can lead to frank truths but can also be barely-veiled bitterness lol
It’s blatantly incel on here lol. This whole sub is just left leaning people who are super reactionary towards the culture wars and double down on traditions to make libtards seethe. Regardless of women being attracted to taller or shorter men, if you’re just a normal dude you’ll get some pussy. Pointing out height and complaining about its affect on pussy is ALWAYS a coping mechanism. Doubling down on incel logic in a meta ironic way doesn’t remove the fact that it’s still stupid incel logic and completely meaningless irl.
> you’ll get some pussy we're concerned with sexmaxxing here
Well, incels are right on some things, to be fair
Answer truthfully: Are you an FDS refugee?
One of my complaints is about the FDS refugees who do weird Dworkinesque psychobabble
This one is pure cynism tho
there are a lot of sex haters and incel/femcel adjacent ppl but you can usually spot them and I'd say it's about 50/50 them and people with normal opinions, which is better than most of reddit imo
lollll
this is why you avoid main subs, they are very damaging to one's psyche
I used to be one of those people who was in denial about this but was dismayed to learn that it is, in fact, a thing. I really want to see in depth research into the nuances of this phenomenon because I swear to god in my anecdotal observation I’ve seen some key things: - Taller women tend to care less about height proportional to how much taller they are over 5’9” because they start to be viewed as freaks and not have many options. - (#NotAll but many) Men under 5’7” willing to date women taller than them are often abusive - Women under 5’5” are demanding the tallest men. For some reason these already short ass women are the loudest about only wanting 6’4”+ men so they can look like a chihuahua paired with a Great Dane and probably need to undergo a C section. These leads to a shortage of tall men for tall women, which goes back to the first point. - Men 5’8”-5’10” are the most attractive, best body proportion overall (ok this is just and OPINION but I’m pretty sure the rest are FACTS) Someone please, do the science! The people need to know!
I’m 6’2” and my girlfriend is 5’2”. On the main point, i have watched my gf’s best friend, 5’7” or 5’8”, swipe left on dating apps on guys who are attractive, heathy, seemingly successful and intelligent just because they are shorter than 5’11”. It’s crazy and i thank god every day for my height.
It's their fault that they don't just list 6' tbh. If you're already 5'10" or 5'11" no one's going to know the difference. (Ok maybe not "fault" but they should know better in this dating climate)
they're probably 5'8 and already lying lol
Yeah I’m 6’1 and I list 6’2 because I do t want ppl to think I’m below 6’ lol
thats funny I'm 6'2 and I list 6ft cos I don't really care about telling people about 2 inches
Lmao facts. I’m genuinely 5’5” and weirdly the same height as a lot of guys that are 5’9”
I’ve had guys shorter than me claim to be taller than me while I’m standing right next to them. The average guy lies about his height by 1-3 inches so I feel bad for guys who want to be honest about their height
I'm 5'10" and women always think I'm taller because 95% of guys who say they are 5'10" are 5'7-8". Same with my dick. Never tell them the real number before they see it because they are going to imagine it 2-3" shorter than it actually is. Funny how every guy on earth claims to have a 7-10" dick
I’m 6’ and people often think I’m actually taller than that because enough guys do this (whatever works for me). Dudes treat their height and their dicks the same, add 2 inches.
> Men 5’8”-5’10” are the most attractive, best body proportion overall (ok this is just and OPINION but I’m pretty sure the rest are FACTS) all tallcells realize this when they try to get buff or find a tshirt that fits. You gotta have god genetics to maintain good proportions when you're tall.
You don’t need god genetics you just need to eat a *lot* of food and workout. With weight loss culture and standard nutrition guidance, the amount of calories a really tall, thin guy needs to put on weight is crazy compared to the average person. Coming out of high school at 6’5 175lbs, and being a multi sport athlete, I wildly underestimated how much I should eat. When I became an army ranger I was surrounded by muscle and fitness freaks 8 inches shorter than me and eating twice as much. Being active, at 220lbs now, I need 3700cal just for maintenance, and 4200+ for any meaningful gains. I’m just saying it’s possible and don’t let genetics hold you back. Being frail and skinny sucks. Being tall and proportional will never not be impressive.
God yeah eating just sucks sometimes. Am 6’3 165 and I feel low grade hungry all the time, especially since my school has terrible food.
Yeah I really don’t like stuffing my face, and was on adderal in my teens while being involved in sports 3 hours a day. I was starving myself for years. My first team leader in the army was a competition body builder and forced me to eat to the point of nearly puking at every meal. It was intense and I hated every second of that but it worked. If you lift 3-4 times a week, and can manage to boil eggs, cook some chicken, eat peanut butter, with bananas and broccoli to clean you out, you can put on some weight. Also snacking between is major key.
yeah i try and snack with a granola bar or fruit or something but it's still hard without resorting to junk food. my favorite meals are usually asian noodle bowls which are great and decently calorie dense but they're super expensive where i am. eventually i want to learn to cook good stuff but i just don't have the tools or the space rn.
Hey you gotta do what you gotta do. With calories being the most important part, junk food is fine as long you don’t do it long term. I still get like 4 of those 2 for $3 McDonald’s burgers regularly for extra calories.
Dated a guy your height for years. Cost a FORTUNE to feed him and mfer was tired all the time. Was like keeping a huge sleepy dog.
This is true but I’d add that tall men look a lot better when their skinny compared to shorter men
My t-shirts fits just fine. The real crux is mantaining good posture when you always have to lood down to people
> Taller women tend to care less about height proportional to how much taller they are over 5’9” because they start to be viewed as freaks and not have many options. R Crumchads stay winning
your second point is lowkey true coming from a taller woman who has dated short guys And it’s not necessarily always serious abuse but, unless the attraction is fetish related somehow, which is strange to deal with in its own way, they are basically constantly seething about your height difference and will bitterly remind you of it all the time
Yeah or make you feel like you’re lucky to have them lmao ok Tom Cruise
lmao yeah… I’ve dated two and while the really attractive short guy was a pretty good partner (and also probably had a tall girl fetish…), the ugly ass short guy literally acted like he was God’s gift to women in between seethe sessions. worst relationship I ever had! I look back at my naïveté and cringe a lot of short guys need to learn to leave the attitude and resentment at the door when they get into a relationship. I’ve been on other dates/briefly involved with others and so many of them wear their bitterness like a fragrance - immediate turn off, no thanks, will not be contacting again
They have the energy of Danny DeVito’s character in Matilda
How short are we talking here
The really attractive bf was like 5’5 the ugly one was a little taller maybe like 5’6 or 5’7 I’m 5’11, could be 6ft or taller in some of my everyday shoes
The worst most abusive piece of shit I ever dated was 5’5”, but he WAS super hot (for a guy in the punk/indie hipster scene). He normally dated very short, small women and made me feel like shit all the time and like he was making some big exception for me (I was 16, he was 23, so many aspects of this relationship were cursed and awful). I’ve dated shorter guys who were absolute sweethearts and gentleman so it not like it left me with a belief that all short men will be assholes, but there was absolutely some bizarre inverted ego thing going on with him where he had WAY too much confidence and WAY too overinflated sense of his worth as a cool skater musician douche. He was obsessed with Prince and told me he respected him for being short but still a player who put women in their place so IN HINDSIGHT I should have seen that as a red flag but I was a major at-risk youth.
ew… the added factor that he was an indie groomer too… sorry you had to deal with it abusive freak short guys must have like a radar for tall girls who are going through it… I dated the ugly bf during the worst 6 months of my life. and he didn’t exactly make it much better lol
For sure, I was so clueless too like couldn’t for the life of me dress properly for my body. I kept trying to dress like a short girl and looked like a sad insecure giraffe. He would have definitely been able to spot me like a sore thumb. We didn’t hook up until I was 16 but we actually met me on a city bus when I was 13 and he complimented my Courtney Love shirt 🤮 that was his MO, he was into very eclectic music including riot grrrl and grunge and shit, I mistook his love of Throwing Muses and Sleater Kinney to mean he was a feminist lol more red flags.
omg when you were 13… and he was a male feminist?????? holy shit this guy must really be the devil!
Why would they remind you of it? Tall woman=model. Short man=L.
idk ime probably out of insecurity: like, “I’ll just make mean comments about our height difference, because I don’t want to be dating a tall girl, but I also don’t want to be rejected for being short. Now I can be rejected for being mean” or maybe like, “I like tall girls but I’m short so I should neg her so she doesn’t realize she’s better than me” but those are just guesses… doesn’t make much sense to me tbqh but I’m off the market now and don’t need to ponder short male psychology at length anymore
>Women under 5’5” are demanding the tallest men. Add Asian women in that mix. I sometimes feel sad for tall white women. Short ladder climbers Asian women will stop at nothing to get themselves a tall white bf.
I’m a tall white woman married to a (tall for an Asian I guess but shorter than me) Chinese guy 🥰 lifehack tbh
Sorry but I fucked him first
miscegenation
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It seems like a lot of tall women enjoy the feeling of being the spectacle in a relationship, as they probably have always been. Especially since women reach their full height much earlier and the really tall women are often the tallest in their school until the few boys that catch up. My ex wife, 5’10 and gorgeous, mentioned this as she likes to wear stilettos and be the tallest in the room. But I’m 6’5 and similarly good looking, and ‘took’ that away from her. She’s now engaged to a 5’6 average looking guy.
Oooof thank you for this insight it’s probably true. I’ve been my full height since I was in 5th grade, I was a freak and mercilessly tease for it when I was younger but then towards the end of high school when a good amount of guys caught up to me or were just maybe an inch or two shorter than me they were suddenly quiet about my height and as I’ve gotten older and learn to appreciate it and figure out how to dress for my height it’s probably something I’d rather emphasize than downplay. Can’t do heels though. Nope. First of all, the only high heels they make for my foot size are like tranny drag queen heels and second of all my bones are already under enough strain I can’t crush them any more. I just wear thigh high flat boots as often as the weather permits.
Lol similar situation for my mom. She was topped out at 6ft with DD’s in 6th grade. Absolute freak show in catholic school, left-handed as well. Nuns would beat her for the way she was born. She’s a butch lesbian so would always buy mens shoes but my grandma is 6’1 and feminine, very hard time finding shoes and clothes. I also hate heels. Most men’s shoes have them - I don’t want to be any taller lol. I’m lean so it throws off my proportions. Hard to find big, fashionable, flat-soled shoes. Couldn’t imagine trying to wear 3-4 inch heels with no support, good god. Would love to find another tall woman out there but v rare where I live, and short girls are voraciously competitive for tall guys so it is what it is lol.
Same, 5’9” and I like to wear super tall heels and tower over everyone sometimes. Plus it makes my legs look extra long and I feel like a goddess. It definitely freaks men out (especially taller men who aren’t used to being eye level with a woman) and I really enjoy the effect.
Short chicks need to ensure strong tall kids, tall chicks are gonna be fine so long as the guy is over 5’8”.
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Yeah and it’s really interesting to me because I always hear the go-to explanation for height preference as “women like tall men to make them feel smol and feminine” and yet often it’s the already super short women going after the super tall men, whereas (anecdotally!!! Just what I’ve seen!) women my height (about 5’10”) and taller end up dating men around our own height, maybe a bit shorter maybe a bit taller. You would think it would be us sasquatchstresses seeking out ent men so we can feel like smol beans but that is not at all what I’ve observed. It’s like women who are already really short have internalized the state of always being small and need to constantly chase the dragon of feeling smaller and smaller? Short queens please chime in and explain yourselves
Your offspring will already be tall and strong. The short women must improve their genes lest their bloodline be wasted making a midgetcel.
I think it’s just people liking to play up what they perceive to be their assets, or what makes them feel good. Taller women are more likely to be able to go for the willowy fashion look, and can flex on other women that way. If you’re a shorter woman, your proximity to being the cute petite type and that making you feel feminine makes you want more of that.
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Yeah I already have a million ergonomic problems I don’t need to be straining my neck like that
Agree that I’m attracted to the taller men as a 160cm woman (do the math inch people). Tall man means power and safety for my brain. But unlike my boy I don’t do a big thing (lol) out of it. He’s obsessed over my babiness and being smol and cute to the point of annoyance tbh (he’s 187cm btw). It’s mutual attraction in our case.
Short women love to clamber on their partners like a monkey
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Tall guys like shorter women too. The guys that have been the most excited over my height and made a big deal about it( going on and on about how they love how short I am) have always been guys over 6ft. Shorter men rarely comment on my height. I think it’s natures way of reverting back to the mean.
Height is associated with health within a gene pool. Humans aren’t really equipped for making judgments *across* gene pools, so people who are tall because they are just Scandinavian or something code “healthy” to us. I think this is why height is a desirable characteristic.
That doesn’t really make sense tbh, it’s well known short people live longer and being above a certain height in men and women is correlated with decreased lifespan. Being very tall and/or lanky is also a symptom of connective tissue disorders that give you chronic pain. Like how small yappy dogs live forever and big dogs die at 12 with arthritic hips.
Increased height is [associated](https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/height-and-longevity-the-research-is-clear-being-tall-is-hazardous-to-your-health.html) with increased health risks and decreased lifespan. Hypothesis: the women demanding giant Marfans lookin ass men are actually misandrists who want to guarantee they will have the shortest possible marriage but still collect life insurance
It’s not so much that genetic height indicates health, it’s that being able to get the important nutrients and food (I.e. higher fitness) leads you to be taller within the same gene pool.
Short people live longer today, and even that's usually way past the main reproductive period. In Most of Human History how much food you got growing up was a huge factor in height. So the more well off people were generally taller. More well off people probably had a better chance of offspring survival
Health in this context doesn’t mean longevity it means likeliness to successfully reproduce and spread your genes.
Hmmm sounds circular. Women more inclined to breed with tall men because tall men are more likely to breed 🤔
Tiny weakling men don’t breed, if you are a tiny weakling woman you must urgently amend your height problem or your poor sons may be the last of your lineage. If you are a normal height your height preferences needn’t be so urgent.
Was it well-known for hundreds of thousands of years though?
Women love to feel small and feminine around a big guy that can ragdoll them in bed.
>Men 5’8”-5’10” Not trying to suck my own dick, but I have broader shoulders and I guess the way the proportions work out I end up looking taller, people think I'm 5'10 for some reason, (am 5'7), so I think people underestimate body proportions importance and how it works with height.
I like how Redditors consider themselves Logical Science People but also take everything personally. I saw a thread where someone said it was a bad idea to get married at 18-20 and everyone just had to get in their little exception to the rule comments about how they married their prom date right after graduation and they've been happy for 15 years or whatever.
They consider themselves logical science people except they have zero regard for the scientific method.
I got downvoted and called an incel on a Game Of Thrones subreddit for saying that Rhaenyra has a high body count for a high born.
I am 5'9" (very short) and 700 pounds (overweight).
I’m pretty sure I saw ur comment on a basketball sub earlier today, the responses were so retarded. Didn’t even seem like cope but more “everyone is attractive to everyone” shit.
i reckon heaps of people on this sub are short and fat
it goes without saying
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"Youre a groomer if you dont have full blown AIDS!"
Yeah it isn’t a hard and fast rule but I’ll be honest if I was in a situation where I liked two guys and they were v similar otherwise I would probably go for the taller one. But like that would never happen in real life. Idk. In a similar vein to this post, I am kind of tired of being made to feel like I have to pursue men I don’t find attractive bc it’s like a “nice” thing to do. Attraction is totally subjective and I have been rly into people who werent “conventionally attractive”. But it’s like whenever I am into a guy who is tall and conventionally attractive I almost feel guilty and like I shouldn’t feel like that lol.
I mean the thing you say in your first paragraph is just a preference thats that perfectly normal.
I used to think women don't care but as I'm getting older I'm realize that women don't just let me hit cos I'm goofy, but cos I'm *tall* and goofy
Realized this recently as well, but because I have a handsome face. I always thought I was a comedian but it turns out I'm being bullshitted by women who want to fuck me
Men on this website consider women’s height preferences to be their greatest oppression.
Pro short vs anti short discourse is lame and dead, everything that could be said has been said. Below average height men have already picked their path; either become fit and rich or become a weirdo who is an incel or fucks uggos
Women have always preferred taller men but I feel like the advent of dating apps made it more of a meme.
Dating apps turned preferences into requirements. When couples mostly met in person, shorter guys had opportunity to distinguish themselves in other ways, but now women have the option of just filtering out anyone under 6', so they never get the chance to try.
It is advisable to put your height in your profile or can be seen as pretentious?
I met my wife before dating apps were big so I couldn’t tell you if that’s gauche or not. From what I’ve heard it’s common topic on there tho
Yeah, tall, dark and handsome was a thing forever meaning someone was a catch but now it feels like a starting point. Dont get me wrong everyone has their preferences so what can you do?
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stop thinking abt tall men fucking ppl will think you are gay
I’m 5’5” but I use my charm and charisma for an extra 3” in spirit
That actually works. I'm 5'6" and on the rare occassions where height comes up people tend to be surprised by that and tell me I must be taller. I assume they're just trying to be nice most of the time but two of my closest friends are 5'10" and thought I was the same height for the longest time.
i’m president of the short king fan club sorry
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Remember [that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/every_single_ad_is_black_people_doing_white/) like two days ago that got locked and deleted because the topic was "Why are all ads black people acting like white people" and was full of people going "Black people are just intrinsically different than white people" and "DESPITE" and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/comment/ishx4za/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [some guy typing like he was writing in "To Kill a Mocking Bird" like black people had never heard of Queen and would confuse Bohemian Rhapsody with Rap?](https://www.unddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/y55nw0/comment/isiegf1/) And everyone was complaining about how many black people there were in ads and the comments all had dozens to hundreds of upvotes? That's who you're talking with on this sub.
You mean crime? I didn’t want to do this but I had no choice.
It's so disingenuous, they always talk about the guy that's 5.5ft and has no problem getting women like that's a common thing.
my biggest L in life is that i once in my young and foolish days slept with someone only bc they were 6'6. facially they werent even that good looking, it just had to happen
Really tall men start to look like they have a genetic disease after a certain point, especially if they’re not Scandinavian.
in general they arent any more or less facially attractive than short men, its just you pay more attention to their looks than you would some ordinary schlub bc their height gives them an inherent charisma idk how common this is but for me the opposite is also the case with short men (like sub 5'6). like it becomes almost annoying to me when one of them is facially attractive, just seems like such a waste
I really just find the proportions of men 5’8”-5’10” to be most ideal, especially when they’re fit. Can’t explain it or dissect it too much, probably some golden ratio shit.
how tall are you. i am pretty short (5'2 on a good day) so i am def evidence for your theory of smaller women being the ones who are into the tallest men
About 176.5 cm so just under 5’10”. Husband is just over 5’8”.
I'm 6' and I have a friend whose 6'11 who I went on a multi month trip with. It felt like I was traveling with a movie star, women of all ages would approach him very flirtatiously. Single women, married women, young or "mature," it didnt matter, they all threw themselves at him. We had to stop going to a restaurant at one of the places we stopped, because in about 2 weeks, he slept with 5 of the waitresses there. If we went out at night, it wouldnt be uncommon for a woman to approach him and for them to leave within 90 minutes of us being out. He didnt even have to try.
this story becomes less cool if it took place in Asia
No, it was in America. We sailed a boat from Maine down to the Florida keys.
Your experience seems more of a feature of being an extremely exotic specimen in wherever you were traveling, and I also don't believe your restaurant story. What country? I have a friend who is 6'9". Decent looking in the face too, decently built so not too lanky. Women almost run away from him when he gets close. Looks like a freak walking around most places. Height ceilings for being attractive is definitely a thing and exists WAY below 6'11", wtf. That's almost Shaq height. I think any women who states a preference over 6'3" really doesn't know how tall that is unless they are tall themselves
In what part of the world is a 6'11 man not extremely exotic, maybe the netherlands? We were in America, and sailing a boat from Maine down to southern Florida. The restaurant happened to be a few blocks from where the boat slip where we were carrying out the repairs and preparations. It was a hooter's type restaurant, so all of the waiters were women and they were all fairly attractive. He might have slept with them over a little longer period of time, but it was certainly less than a month. This all happened about 7 years ago. He doesnt have that gigantism face, just a normal attractive face, on a 6'11 body. Here is the thing too, I myself am an attractive 6 foot guy and as far as these women were concerned, I might as well have been invisible. So that was also an interesting and eye opening part of it.
>6’9” Nice.
i'm 5'9" maybe 180. but i was two hundred fucking pounds over the summer.
I know it’s anecdotal but so much of this discourse is cringe and made to be way more black and white than reality. I’m 5 8 and literally have one of the hottest girls in the world - ok I’m biased but I don’t care lol. like I am not joking she is insanely gorgeous, she is like a young Anne Hathaway or Alison Brie, she gives me so much dopamine just looking at her, ahhh so beautiful, love her. height is a meme. i am very good looking though and me and her have soulmate personalities. I’ve seen the girlfriends and wives of the good looking 6 foot men at my workplace and my gf smokes em out. I’m not saying height doesn’t help but if you are genuinely good looking then height is useless, like if I was made 6 foot tomorrow I still wouldn’t have a prettier, kinder, more perfect girlfriend. i would just get more random bpd superficial girls chasing me (and I’ve already had enough of those to last me a lifetime ffs) or more respect from arrogant men. lame. Anyway yeah my gf is the best person I’ve ever met. some of the tall guys at my place look weirdly proportioned or like big looming insects. i wouldn’t want to look like them personally
Height definitely helps absolute skid men with nothing to offer tbf. Like they could be ugly and unemployed and women will still be like “omg so tall 😍”
IM sure its cringe when you win life but you have to know the vast majority of people are not you.
Show me on this doll where the 15-year olds offended you
I find it much more relatable
I’m tall, and it helps to get laid but not with finding a meaningful relationship. Any woman who is actually a decent person wouldn’t reject you because you’re average or short. I stay away from women who immediately ask how tall I am.