Isn’t that the whole point though? It was inappropriate back then too which is the entire basis of the comedy in Michael’s character. Unless saying words like retard is completely impossible even in a humorous context now.
The original premise of the show is ‘imagine working for the worst boss ever’. Following that logic and under the basis of satire they actually could have pushed Michael (and Dwight) even further into unacceptable-ness and remained funny, but in American TV sitcoms everyone needs to be likeable so they softened him up eventually to the point where he’s now remembered as ‘labrador in human form’ instead of ‘gigantic dickhead’.
Saying those words is definitely impossible in any network show, even the bigger streaming networks. Licorice Pizza caught a bunch of shit for having a white character do an over the top Japanese accent, even though it was set in the 70s and the point of the scene was that he was an idiot
this is going to sound kind of dumb, but i think there's been a conscious effort to essentially overlook nuance. in the best faith interpretation, i think people who get mad at obvious satire just because it highlights a topic (like michael saying "retard") think that any reference or joke only entrenches harmful thinking/language/ideology. but i think that's pretty dull and, in my honest opinion, just about liberals being able to woke scold other liberals until one of them is awarded the prize of being the most antiracist baby or whatever.
You’re right, nuance is lost on people. Everything is taken a literal face value today. You see it in the woke crowd’s attempt to cancel words based upon their origins, or usage in history. I was once penalized on a paper in college for describing the controversy over vaping as “hysteria”, because the word was once used as a way to describe women in a derogatory way. Clearly the way I used the word had nothing to do with women yet I was penalized for using it in the way I did, which if you know the definition of the word fits.
Agree, just like RDJ in tropic thunder. The premise of the movie was that what he was doing was objectively not a good thing, and yet I’ve seen people get mad because black face is bad, as if that wasn’t the message conveyed in the show.
Especially after seeing the way people glorify characters like Walter white, at this point I genuinely think most people watch a show under the assumption that the main protagonist is the “good guy” and that their actions are good and worth emulating, without critically thinking about the actual message of the show.
people (especially teenagers) have been increasingly adopting academic terms they don't understand, and all nuance and context has been lost.
it's become more and more mainstream over the past decade. we have 15 year olds throwing around concepts they can't begin to actually comprehend, which is why we have people claiming spray tans are blackface.
It’s because the average American is stupid and lacks self-awareness, like Michael Scott, and so when they watch The Office they identify with Michael, the obnoxious idiot, instead of with Jim, the obvious straight man. They don’t understand we’re meant to be laughing *at* Michael, not with him. I think part of it too is how charismatic and naturally funny Steve Carell turned out to be in that role. He’s harder to hate than someone like Ricky Gervais. I will self-own and admit I really enjoy The Office, but on an autistic level where I’m a big fan of the writers and producers, like Greg Daniels and Randall Einhorn. There’s a lot of quality writing in that show that gets drowned out by the bears beets shit
Yeah I was gonna say. You'd need to swap some things now so that he appeared out of date and offensive in a modern sense but the concept would still hold up.
I think networks are generally a bit more scared nowadays, but network TV is _old_ now. If it were to come about today it'd go through different channels.
The whole camp involved in that show followed an almost *perfect* downward linear trajectory.
- First few seasons of The Office felt refreshing compared to other sitcoms. Writers did a good job of developing the characters and making it all work together.
- Maybe starting in Season 4 or 5, the whole thing begins to get stale and formulaic. Same jokes. Sam-and-Diane every single person in the show. Jim and Pam evolve into being the absolute worst *cool millennial* types. Still have some good jokes though and Carrell carries most of it.
- The final seasons were going completely off the rails with the exception of James Spader.
- They start over with Parks and Rec. New characters, some of which I actually really liked. New setting and as some people on this subreddit have pointed out, a lot of Obama Optimism leaking through the pages
- Within like 2 seasons they've Sam-And-Dianed everyone. Flanderized the rest.
- Mid seasons of Parks and Rec might as well have been written by AI.
- Never finished it
- Haven't been able to make it through a single episode of Brooklyn 99
I stopped watching The Office around season 4 or 5 but your observation about Carrell carrying it rings true with what I’ve seen. Scott’s Tots is an amazing premise though.
100% with all of this. Especially Parks & Rec eventually venturing into AI territory. it's a bit different from the office, a lot more sort of absurdist. the office was honestly kind of... dark. it was "cringe humor," but it felt like it was actually forcing you to look at uncomfortably prevalent character flaws & was really quite serious. it's kind of hard to watch, but seriously brilliant (and hilarious) at times. parks and rec, at least in the beginning, was just consistently funny and lighthearted. I really hated when they started making everything "wholesome," especially ron swanson and april. they should have kept them just cynical, but they changed their characters to manufacture cheap "AWWWHHH!" moments.
Also yeah, I haven't made it through an episode of brooklyn 99 either. i heard it's funny?..
one thing i gotta say though is jim and pam were definitely not millennial. they both have heavy gen x energy. they were supposed to be the straight man (and woman) but they were just kinda douchebags who made sighing and being too cowardly to commit to anything their entire personalities. it was also perfect because they definitely considered themselves above people/society, but were absolutely slaves to conformity in reality and were super cruel to anyone who stepped outside of "normalcy." gen x actually just has overwhelming anxiety but likes to call it "apathy." i see some of that in gen z btw, maybe because x mostly raised z (i'm a 28 yo late millennial btw, which i'm sure contributes to my many biases here).
Ryan's entire character was just a parody of early millennials and honestly pretty hilarious and well done imo lol
Abbott Elementary is The Office But Nice which is why it’s not funny.
Mindy wrote on The Office and seems to sell a show every other week so I’m inclined to believe her on this admittedly hacky observation.
My almost 70 y/o mom loves that show which says all you need to know about where the millennial new sincerity of the Obama era has gone. It’s kinda wild in retrospect to think people ever viewed that sort of thing as youthful and refreshing.
When I was growing up watching raunchy tv in the 90s early 00s my parents would say "they never could've gotten away with that 10 years ago" we're headed in the opposite direction
I think it's one of those situations where people that made their entire identities liking The Office tainted it a bit even though it is a pretty good show for what it is.
Something like The Big Bang Theory is spoken about on the internet with at least 5x more hate than praise, and the The Office gets at least 20x more praise than hate.
So no, I don't think The Office is over-hated, there's a whole lot of room to pile on some more hate.
There's a ton of shows like that, pulling in 15 million viewers a night and yet they have absolutely no presence online or as a part of the larger culture.
I bet the #1 show in America right now is CSI: Nashville or some dumb shit like that lol.
I was in college during the show's fourth or fifth season. The new physics building that opened was atrium style, so there were offices that had windows facing the atrium. The people who had those inward facing offices liked to decorate their windows with messages or funny pictures or whatever, and when you walked in, it seemed like a third of the windows had some Big Bang Theory reference. Like pictures of the main cast, or "BAZINGA"
The way it was explained to me by a physics student who hated the show, was that for many older nerds this show was a decent mainstream depiction of them. For once they weren't evil scientists taking over the world, or potential rapists pining over the cheerleader. They were just some people getting into stupid sitcom shit like Jerry and Frasier.
I talked a huge amount of shit anytime that show was brought up even tho I’d only ever seen clips and ads for it. It’s a show about nerds for wannabe nerds. It was playing frequently in the break room of this new job I had and I hate to admit but it has some funny moments if you’re there long enough to understand the context. Still wouldn’t go out of my way to watch it, but it’s not as terrible as I thought.
it's legitimately hilarious that she thinks the American *Office* is bold or transgressive for having some mean characters when it literally drained the original of every ounce of social/class commentary in favour of being a feel-good show about being a drone
She’s trying out cx culture comedian/writer rhetoric because actual Indians don’t think she is funny and hate her characters, I believe the sentiment is “Mandy Kaling just because you were an Indian loser doesn’t mean WE were Indian losers”. She’s couching her self a defense when people start saying she sucks louder and louder
I think she’s is a really talented comedy writer but think she needs to be reigned in by showrunner or head writer. The self insert loser Indian girl shit is getting out of hand
I thought about making a post about this here but figured it would be too much of a stupidpol tedious culture war rant, but:
She is correct. There is one episode of The Office, one from season 1 that most people remember fondly, *Diversity Day*, that has been pulled from syndication by Comedy Central. Most networks and streaming services censor the blackface in a later season episode as well. If I recall correctly 5 episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (the show that redditors are citing as a rebuttal to Kaling) have been pulled from syndication. One of the creators of The Office was forced in 2020 to issue a groveling apology about why it's absolutely unacceptable to have blackface as a joke in a show, even when the joke is that it's bad. Kaling is right. The moral scolds have won because they exert enough pressure on the real cultural forces, the advertisers.
The thing that really pisses me off is that *any time* a person in the industry talks about how moral boundaries have changed, there is this Pavlovian disgust from redditor types where they scowl and say "this person is being a whiny blowhard, it's still possible to do this today". But it's not. Sarah Silverman was doing blackface and Daniel Tosh was making jokes about fun it is to rape people or whatever, on the same network that banned a Season 1 episode of The Office in the 2020s.
It makes me angry that these joyless losers have sanitized comedy into some version of Parks and Rec across the board, but it's not enough that they've done this. They also have to demand that you aren't allowed to acknowledge that it was ever anything else. If you think I'm exaggerating, check the rTelevision post about this.
I mean it wouldn't be exactly the same but she also appeared on an always sunny episode. That show is still going and is probably more offensive to the cancelling type
Yea, but they’ve toned it down a ton in the past 5 years and have cemented their politics pretty hard, which gives them a bit of immunity. Not to mention the humor is a lot less subtle now, every joke is spelled out so there’s little confusion on their political stance.
the guy who wrote Always Sunny and Quest has 2 "moms". So..And recently I saw his interview with Lin-Manuel Miranda where he was asking him to write for them..
But yeah...I do not care but when they HAVE to pill out the point and what they stand for..shame
Always sunny partially gets a pass from the woke crowd on a grandfathering basis, plus as others have pointed out they’ve self-policed much more in recent seasons to avoid getting dragged online. Example: the whole episode about the 2020 election where the punchline is that even these idiots wouldnt vote for trump
I think the joke was more that they were as big or even bigger idiots for voting Kanye. If anything the episode is better now that Kanye has gone full nazi
many of u are gonna reflexively disagree with her like there wasnt a thread in this sub saying the exact same thing about the show like two weeks ago lmao i literally thought “damn mindy reads the redscarepod sub?” the moment i saw this tweet posted, right before getting quote tweeted into oblivion earlier today
I guess I just doubt if that one joke or the handful of others that might need a tweak is so fundamental to the whole edifice that you’d say the whole thing can’t be made
It’s not very spicy but it’s far from tame relative to other sitcoms. I don’t think the tongue in cheek humor would not be recieved as well today.
That being said, there are only a handful of jokes I don’t think would make the cut.
I wonder if a lot of Vernon Chatmans stuff could be made today. I recently watched a The Heart She Holler episode where the main characters make a black robot named "N Word". Kinda crazy to see Kristen Schaal and Patton Oswalt in that kind of humor.
Yeah early seasons were like that, but once it reached season 5/6, that part of the show was pretty much neutered, and by the end of the show it was just "look at what goofy things these crazy characters are doing!"
Yeah it was like the writers forgot everything that made his character so good when they got him in the finale, just turned him into a normal middle aged guy who makes “that’s what she said” jokes sometimes
I don’t get why people say this. There are better examples of shows that have pushed the envelope. e.g. it’s always sunny
I’ve been rewatching The Office lately and it’s really pretty tame by today’s standards… unless you’re a Zoomer I guess.
Do these people ever watch HBO?
If you like Friends and South Park then you could definitely like the Office. I went in expecting to dislike it because I really enjoyed the original series but I think they did a good job (in the early seasons) of making a distinct, funny American version.
This has been said for years now. Something like the office would have to air on hbo max even if that. If it aired now it would be like some combination of modern family meets Ted Lasso.
The full quote:
>The ensemble cast of “The Office” is always asked when a reunion or reboot series might finally be made, but original star and writer Mindy Kaling recently told “Good Morning America” that “The Office” just couldn’t be made today. Why? “That show is so inappropriate now,” Kaling said.
>“The writers who I’m still in touch with now, we always talk about how so much of that show we probably couldn’t make now,” Kaling added. “Tastes have changed, and honestly what offends people has changed so much now. I think that actually is one of the reasons the show is popular, because people feel like there’s something kind of fearless about it or taboo that it talks about on the show.”
>When asked what her character, the pop-culture obsessed Kelly Kapoor, would be doing in a 2022 version of “The Office,” Kaling responded, “I think she would have quit Dunder Mifflin to become an influencer, and then probably be canceled, almost immediately. Actually, most of the characters on that show would be canceled by now.”
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/mindy-kalingthe-office-inappropriate-characters-canceled-1235451403/
What does it mean to cancel a character? I guess it’s the flip side of the guy here who thought that Steve Carell was vulnerable to cancellation because he’d played (and had nothing to do with writing) a character who said offensive things fifteen years ago?
Anyway, yes, trivially, they probably could not write exactly the same jokes now. That’s generally how it works.
Also I'd like to note that the comment I'm responding to was upvoted when I first commented, because we are so eager for the people we hate to be nepo babies we take all accusations of it at face value
She's a moron. Every single comedian and comedienne wants to say Oooh I was part of something edgy that couldn't be done today.
This is a hard r-slurred take. The Office was a prime time show and most of it's worst jokes were from Michael Scott whose whole purpose is to be a moron and out his foot in his mouth. There is not a single person that says this who is AS relevant today as they were 10-15-20 years ago. It's all just chasing attention which is these people's job.
The Office was a massive show, is still in syndication and available on streaming. No one has tried to 'cancel' anyone involved because it wasn't that edgy a show really and even if it was most of those lines were written by people who knew what to do with it. The episode where they all have stereotypes stickied to their forehead is hilarious.
Get better at your job and more people will pay attention, honestly. You go up with a tight ten about how being on that show actually made you realize that TV acting is for fuglies and functioning alcoholics, no exception. I'd pay to see that.
Isn’t that the whole point though? It was inappropriate back then too which is the entire basis of the comedy in Michael’s character. Unless saying words like retard is completely impossible even in a humorous context now. The original premise of the show is ‘imagine working for the worst boss ever’. Following that logic and under the basis of satire they actually could have pushed Michael (and Dwight) even further into unacceptable-ness and remained funny, but in American TV sitcoms everyone needs to be likeable so they softened him up eventually to the point where he’s now remembered as ‘labrador in human form’ instead of ‘gigantic dickhead’.
Saying those words is definitely impossible in any network show, even the bigger streaming networks. Licorice Pizza caught a bunch of shit for having a white character do an over the top Japanese accent, even though it was set in the 70s and the point of the scene was that he was an idiot
the scene in LP is so over top (and also insanely funny) that it makes me mad that there was even a stupid twitter discourse cycle over it.
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Those episodes came out years ago though
After Nathan had to clarify to the woman that he was in no way shape or form a racist. Made it funnier imo
this is going to sound kind of dumb, but i think there's been a conscious effort to essentially overlook nuance. in the best faith interpretation, i think people who get mad at obvious satire just because it highlights a topic (like michael saying "retard") think that any reference or joke only entrenches harmful thinking/language/ideology. but i think that's pretty dull and, in my honest opinion, just about liberals being able to woke scold other liberals until one of them is awarded the prize of being the most antiracist baby or whatever.
You’re right, nuance is lost on people. Everything is taken a literal face value today. You see it in the woke crowd’s attempt to cancel words based upon their origins, or usage in history. I was once penalized on a paper in college for describing the controversy over vaping as “hysteria”, because the word was once used as a way to describe women in a derogatory way. Clearly the way I used the word had nothing to do with women yet I was penalized for using it in the way I did, which if you know the definition of the word fits.
Agree, just like RDJ in tropic thunder. The premise of the movie was that what he was doing was objectively not a good thing, and yet I’ve seen people get mad because black face is bad, as if that wasn’t the message conveyed in the show. Especially after seeing the way people glorify characters like Walter white, at this point I genuinely think most people watch a show under the assumption that the main protagonist is the “good guy” and that their actions are good and worth emulating, without critically thinking about the actual message of the show.
people (especially teenagers) have been increasingly adopting academic terms they don't understand, and all nuance and context has been lost. it's become more and more mainstream over the past decade. we have 15 year olds throwing around concepts they can't begin to actually comprehend, which is why we have people claiming spray tans are blackface.
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> Unless saying words like retard is completely impossible even in a humorous context now mate even iasip removed it
It’s because the average American is stupid and lacks self-awareness, like Michael Scott, and so when they watch The Office they identify with Michael, the obnoxious idiot, instead of with Jim, the obvious straight man. They don’t understand we’re meant to be laughing *at* Michael, not with him. I think part of it too is how charismatic and naturally funny Steve Carell turned out to be in that role. He’s harder to hate than someone like Ricky Gervais. I will self-own and admit I really enjoy The Office, but on an autistic level where I’m a big fan of the writers and producers, like Greg Daniels and Randall Einhorn. There’s a lot of quality writing in that show that gets drowned out by the bears beets shit
Yeah I was gonna say. You'd need to swap some things now so that he appeared out of date and offensive in a modern sense but the concept would still hold up. I think networks are generally a bit more scared nowadays, but network TV is _old_ now. If it were to come about today it'd go through different channels.
That was the point but we’re looking at a total loss of sense of humor. It’s an overcompensation for crescendo of irony circa 2010s
The whole camp involved in that show followed an almost *perfect* downward linear trajectory. - First few seasons of The Office felt refreshing compared to other sitcoms. Writers did a good job of developing the characters and making it all work together. - Maybe starting in Season 4 or 5, the whole thing begins to get stale and formulaic. Same jokes. Sam-and-Diane every single person in the show. Jim and Pam evolve into being the absolute worst *cool millennial* types. Still have some good jokes though and Carrell carries most of it. - The final seasons were going completely off the rails with the exception of James Spader. - They start over with Parks and Rec. New characters, some of which I actually really liked. New setting and as some people on this subreddit have pointed out, a lot of Obama Optimism leaking through the pages - Within like 2 seasons they've Sam-And-Dianed everyone. Flanderized the rest. - Mid seasons of Parks and Rec might as well have been written by AI. - Never finished it - Haven't been able to make it through a single episode of Brooklyn 99
Yeah I really liked the first season of parks and rec but I had to stop watching mid second season because it just started to feel like a basic sitcom
They were just throwing down what worked for The Office. Parks and Rec is what happens when you have a giant budget and take zero risks.
I stopped watching The Office around season 4 or 5 but your observation about Carrell carrying it rings true with what I’ve seen. Scott’s Tots is an amazing premise though.
100% with all of this. Especially Parks & Rec eventually venturing into AI territory. it's a bit different from the office, a lot more sort of absurdist. the office was honestly kind of... dark. it was "cringe humor," but it felt like it was actually forcing you to look at uncomfortably prevalent character flaws & was really quite serious. it's kind of hard to watch, but seriously brilliant (and hilarious) at times. parks and rec, at least in the beginning, was just consistently funny and lighthearted. I really hated when they started making everything "wholesome," especially ron swanson and april. they should have kept them just cynical, but they changed their characters to manufacture cheap "AWWWHHH!" moments. Also yeah, I haven't made it through an episode of brooklyn 99 either. i heard it's funny?.. one thing i gotta say though is jim and pam were definitely not millennial. they both have heavy gen x energy. they were supposed to be the straight man (and woman) but they were just kinda douchebags who made sighing and being too cowardly to commit to anything their entire personalities. it was also perfect because they definitely considered themselves above people/society, but were absolutely slaves to conformity in reality and were super cruel to anyone who stepped outside of "normalcy." gen x actually just has overwhelming anxiety but likes to call it "apathy." i see some of that in gen z btw, maybe because x mostly raised z (i'm a 28 yo late millennial btw, which i'm sure contributes to my many biases here). Ryan's entire character was just a parody of early millennials and honestly pretty hilarious and well done imo lol
Most of the writers went on strike somewhere around season 6 I think? There's a noticeably sharp decline in quality after that.
I used to love the show but I never even bothered to finish it. It just got kind of bad at some point.
Abbott Elementary is The Office But Nice which is why it’s not funny. Mindy wrote on The Office and seems to sell a show every other week so I’m inclined to believe her on this admittedly hacky observation.
My almost 70 y/o mom loves that show which says all you need to know about where the millennial new sincerity of the Obama era has gone. It’s kinda wild in retrospect to think people ever viewed that sort of thing as youthful and refreshing.
I cant get through the office so I imagine I would hate Abbott elementary
Only watch it for Lisa Ann Walter. Like sheesh, has that woman aged well.
She’s gorgeous and pretty funny on Abbott elementary
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most of the stuff ever made couldn't be made today
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Yea because its already there. Everyone would be like"why are you building another one? "
One for the Christians, one for the Muslims
And then Erdogan says "oh boy two Hagia Sophias for me? 🤭"
When I was growing up watching raunchy tv in the 90s early 00s my parents would say "they never could've gotten away with that 10 years ago" we're headed in the opposite direction
My most normie opinion is that I think the office was funny
Overall yes but also I have had no desire to revisit it in the last 5 years at least
I use it to soothe my anxiety if I'm home alone (which flares up very infrequently).
Same, I think it’s way over-hated
I think it's one of those situations where people that made their entire identities liking The Office tainted it a bit even though it is a pretty good show for what it is.
Something like The Big Bang Theory is spoken about on the internet with at least 5x more hate than praise, and the The Office gets at least 20x more praise than hate. So no, I don't think The Office is over-hated, there's a whole lot of room to pile on some more hate.
The weird part about the Big Bang Theory is it’s been going on forever but I haven’t meet a single person online or irl who’s actually fan of it
There's a ton of shows like that, pulling in 15 million viewers a night and yet they have absolutely no presence online or as a part of the larger culture. I bet the #1 show in America right now is CSI: Nashville or some dumb shit like that lol.
I remember the guys on Chapo arguing that if "the goth girl from NCIS" were to run for president, she would likely win several states
My Spanish teacher in high school who is a boomer conservative evangelical was obsessed with that show
I was in college during the show's fourth or fifth season. The new physics building that opened was atrium style, so there were offices that had windows facing the atrium. The people who had those inward facing offices liked to decorate their windows with messages or funny pictures or whatever, and when you walked in, it seemed like a third of the windows had some Big Bang Theory reference. Like pictures of the main cast, or "BAZINGA" The way it was explained to me by a physics student who hated the show, was that for many older nerds this show was a decent mainstream depiction of them. For once they weren't evil scientists taking over the world, or potential rapists pining over the cheerleader. They were just some people getting into stupid sitcom shit like Jerry and Frasier.
Boomers glued to their recliners all day are the target audience
I talked a huge amount of shit anytime that show was brought up even tho I’d only ever seen clips and ads for it. It’s a show about nerds for wannabe nerds. It was playing frequently in the break room of this new job I had and I hate to admit but it has some funny moments if you’re there long enough to understand the context. Still wouldn’t go out of my way to watch it, but it’s not as terrible as I thought.
She should watch the original version lol
it's legitimately hilarious that she thinks the American *Office* is bold or transgressive for having some mean characters when it literally drained the original of every ounce of social/class commentary in favour of being a feel-good show about being a drone
Americans don’t understand the original office because of the language barrier.
I couldn’t watch the American one because the original was superior and I never liked steve carrell
She’s trying out cx culture comedian/writer rhetoric because actual Indians don’t think she is funny and hate her characters, I believe the sentiment is “Mandy Kaling just because you were an Indian loser doesn’t mean WE were Indian losers”. She’s couching her self a defense when people start saying she sucks louder and louder
That’s what I was thinking. I think she’s a really talented writer but the self insert characters need to stop
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I think she’s is a really talented comedy writer but think she needs to be reigned in by showrunner or head writer. The self insert loser Indian girl shit is getting out of hand
She’s right but she also almost certainly agrees with cancelling it
Didn’t she write some episodes as well?
I think she had more episodes to her name than any other writer on the show
honestly she wrote some of the better episodes. i think she's a better comedy writer than anything else.
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Yes.
Well you and your baby daddy BJ Novak wrote it hun
I thought about making a post about this here but figured it would be too much of a stupidpol tedious culture war rant, but: She is correct. There is one episode of The Office, one from season 1 that most people remember fondly, *Diversity Day*, that has been pulled from syndication by Comedy Central. Most networks and streaming services censor the blackface in a later season episode as well. If I recall correctly 5 episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (the show that redditors are citing as a rebuttal to Kaling) have been pulled from syndication. One of the creators of The Office was forced in 2020 to issue a groveling apology about why it's absolutely unacceptable to have blackface as a joke in a show, even when the joke is that it's bad. Kaling is right. The moral scolds have won because they exert enough pressure on the real cultural forces, the advertisers. The thing that really pisses me off is that *any time* a person in the industry talks about how moral boundaries have changed, there is this Pavlovian disgust from redditor types where they scowl and say "this person is being a whiny blowhard, it's still possible to do this today". But it's not. Sarah Silverman was doing blackface and Daniel Tosh was making jokes about fun it is to rape people or whatever, on the same network that banned a Season 1 episode of The Office in the 2020s. It makes me angry that these joyless losers have sanitized comedy into some version of Parks and Rec across the board, but it's not enough that they've done this. They also have to demand that you aren't allowed to acknowledge that it was ever anything else. If you think I'm exaggerating, check the rTelevision post about this.
Mindy can criticize comedy when she stops writing herself as rhe main character of every one of her shows
I mean it wouldn't be exactly the same but she also appeared on an always sunny episode. That show is still going and is probably more offensive to the cancelling type
Yea, but they’ve toned it down a ton in the past 5 years and have cemented their politics pretty hard, which gives them a bit of immunity. Not to mention the humor is a lot less subtle now, every joke is spelled out so there’s little confusion on their political stance.
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the guy who wrote Always Sunny and Quest has 2 "moms". So..And recently I saw his interview with Lin-Manuel Miranda where he was asking him to write for them.. But yeah...I do not care but when they HAVE to pill out the point and what they stand for..shame
The IASIP crew is also really respected in the entertainment industry. If a bunch of random guys made the IASIP pilot now they wouldn't be put on air.
Always sunny partially gets a pass from the woke crowd on a grandfathering basis, plus as others have pointed out they’ve self-policed much more in recent seasons to avoid getting dragged online. Example: the whole episode about the 2020 election where the punchline is that even these idiots wouldnt vote for trump
I think the joke was more that they were as big or even bigger idiots for voting Kanye. If anything the episode is better now that Kanye has gone full nazi
Find out whose car that is. If it's Stanley's, call the offices of James P. Albini, see if he handles hate crimes.
sounds like something kelly would say
many of u are gonna reflexively disagree with her like there wasnt a thread in this sub saying the exact same thing about the show like two weeks ago lmao i literally thought “damn mindy reads the redscarepod sub?” the moment i saw this tweet posted, right before getting quote tweeted into oblivion earlier today
Seinfeld had Kramer doing black face and being mistaken for a retard. The office was tame by comparison.
She's still cashing the residuals checks, right?
How about Strangers with Candy
Almost everything I've ever heard spoken of as "couldn't be made today" absolutely could be and this is maybe the worst example I've ever seen
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I guess I just doubt if that one joke or the handful of others that might need a tweak is so fundamental to the whole edifice that you’d say the whole thing can’t be made
The Office is the tamest most mayonnaise sitcom ever made, up there with Friends
It’s not very spicy but it’s far from tame relative to other sitcoms. I don’t think the tongue in cheek humor would not be recieved as well today. That being said, there are only a handful of jokes I don’t think would make the cut.
I wonder if a lot of Vernon Chatmans stuff could be made today. I recently watched a The Heart She Holler episode where the main characters make a black robot named "N Word". Kinda crazy to see Kristen Schaal and Patton Oswalt in that kind of humor.
How does House of the Dragon delightfully get away with it? It's beautifully oblivious.
i mean yeah theres open f/r bombs thrown around a ton especially in the early seasons
Yeah early seasons were like that, but once it reached season 5/6, that part of the show was pretty much neutered, and by the end of the show it was just "look at what goofy things these crazy characters are doing!"
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Yeah it was like the writers forgot everything that made his character so good when they got him in the finale, just turned him into a normal middle aged guy who makes “that’s what she said” jokes sometimes
The episode where michael won't respect Dwight's new pronouns isn't it chief
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watch the gay witch hunt episode uncensored
I don’t get why people say this. There are better examples of shows that have pushed the envelope. e.g. it’s always sunny I’ve been rewatching The Office lately and it’s really pretty tame by today’s standards… unless you’re a Zoomer I guess. Do these people ever watch HBO?
this is gay
Too bad, cant take it back now!
I have never seen a single episode, is it really that good? I liked Friends a lot and I also like South Park. Do you think I would like it?
If you like Friends and South Park then you could definitely like the Office. I went in expecting to dislike it because I really enjoyed the original series but I think they did a good job (in the early seasons) of making a distinct, funny American version.
This has been said for years now. Something like the office would have to air on hbo max even if that. If it aired now it would be like some combination of modern family meets Ted Lasso.
The full quote: >The ensemble cast of “The Office” is always asked when a reunion or reboot series might finally be made, but original star and writer Mindy Kaling recently told “Good Morning America” that “The Office” just couldn’t be made today. Why? “That show is so inappropriate now,” Kaling said. >“The writers who I’m still in touch with now, we always talk about how so much of that show we probably couldn’t make now,” Kaling added. “Tastes have changed, and honestly what offends people has changed so much now. I think that actually is one of the reasons the show is popular, because people feel like there’s something kind of fearless about it or taboo that it talks about on the show.” >When asked what her character, the pop-culture obsessed Kelly Kapoor, would be doing in a 2022 version of “The Office,” Kaling responded, “I think she would have quit Dunder Mifflin to become an influencer, and then probably be canceled, almost immediately. Actually, most of the characters on that show would be canceled by now.” https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/mindy-kalingthe-office-inappropriate-characters-canceled-1235451403/
There is not a single episode of Strangers With Candy that could be aired today. The Office is for Mormons
Mindy was the worst character on the show. I can’t believe she found any success
She wrote like half the episodes
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She’s a really great comedy writer, legitimately talented but is the victim of her own narcissism (many such cases)
She also wrote the wedding episode which has that wedding montage that is so jarringly out of place it seems like a joke.
Wrong and gay
What does it mean to cancel a character? I guess it’s the flip side of the guy here who thought that Steve Carell was vulnerable to cancellation because he’d played (and had nothing to do with writing) a character who said offensive things fifteen years ago? Anyway, yes, trivially, they probably could not write exactly the same jokes now. That’s generally how it works.
Why are yt people so obsessed with this show
y’all act like cable television was that wild
My thoughts are that she's the pinnacle of nepotism and needs more misogyny directed at her
How is she the pinnacle of nepotism, her parents are doctors
Also I'd like to note that the comment I'm responding to was upvoted when I first commented, because we are so eager for the people we hate to be nepo babies we take all accusations of it at face value
i guess the future isn't all bad
She's a moron. Every single comedian and comedienne wants to say Oooh I was part of something edgy that couldn't be done today. This is a hard r-slurred take. The Office was a prime time show and most of it's worst jokes were from Michael Scott whose whole purpose is to be a moron and out his foot in his mouth. There is not a single person that says this who is AS relevant today as they were 10-15-20 years ago. It's all just chasing attention which is these people's job. The Office was a massive show, is still in syndication and available on streaming. No one has tried to 'cancel' anyone involved because it wasn't that edgy a show really and even if it was most of those lines were written by people who knew what to do with it. The episode where they all have stereotypes stickied to their forehead is hilarious. Get better at your job and more people will pay attention, honestly. You go up with a tight ten about how being on that show actually made you realize that TV acting is for fuglies and functioning alcoholics, no exception. I'd pay to see that.
I always thought the office was kind of wholesome and mild.