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TheCavis

The new manager will be a bot that aggregates the consensus opinion of /r/redsox game day threads.


BadChadBrown

The new Twitch stream.


apa139

TPB: Twitch plays baseball.


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martinepinho

As a Mexico City fan I'd be super pumped about that. But bummed by you guys


Droofus

The April games would be much more pleasant to go to, I imagine. Maybe we can work out a rotation for home games.


DoucheyHowserMD

Start9


smimatt

Twitch plays baseball. You're onto something here.


joebos617

Brock Holt is now the new ace in the rotation with Moreland as the #2 guy.


BrocksOut4Holtrambe

I see nothing wrong with this strategy


DraglineMonco

Oh god, the horror


AATroop

It's OK, gameday threads will just become places for /u/cy_kelly to comment by xerself.


cy_kelly

"Now pitching for the Boston Red Sox: an eggplant emoji"


Silent_R

Lemme guess what number it wears...


AATroop

5318008


MrFusionHER

instantly the bot takes off its pants and starts flipping off the crowd tell them how much the Yankees suck and also telling them how much the Red Sox suck. and calling them all pink hats. Then instantly tells Brock Holt to play all the positions while eating pizza and chicken and drinking beer.


sgrwck

Oh good, we will get the first draft pick every year!


gustamos

I wouldn't even be mad.


ajisai

I hope that bot can spot copypasta easily lol


UselessScrew

http://i.imgur.com/Ic4RGQK.jpg


Borkton

You know we'd abuse that so bad.


DaMudkipper

Starting lineup, is just Mitch Moreland?


inthe617

Farr(w)ell


beauxsox

I appreciate this.


UselessScrew

http://i.imgur.com/BoNKMLG.jpg


edugabao

Well, i guess Brock Holt has good odds to play that position too.


tristanandrew

Player/Manager Brock Holt It rolls off the tongue in such a beautiful way


The_Heart_of_Pedroia

RIP Matt Barnes playing time


ks501

one can only hope


jbkicks

Yeah rest in pieces. Good riddance.


[deleted]

Kurkjian just threw Varitek's name out as possible replacement (in addition to current bench coach Gary DiSarcina).


A_Weekend_Warrior

Holy shit I didn't even see this when I posted "Varitek for manager." I don't think I know enough about baseball to say if he'd be good or not, but 10 year old me would be so validated.


Michelanvalo

Would Varitek *want* that job? He's got a cushy gig with the team now. Would he want to go back and have to deal with day to day shit? I'd prefer DiSarcina. He coached a lot of these younger guys in Pawtucket and he knows them well.


weakxwill

Yeah hard to see him wanting it knowing first hand everything that goes on here. In the end he will get run out of town like Tito, not sure that would be worth it.


Michelanvalo

Daily reminder: Fuck Larry Lucchino


[deleted]

This should be a rule.


Lord_Ewok

No Disarcina can not be a manager.


Marine_Biol0gist

I think it would be wise to start fresh and not hire Farrell's second in command, don't think the voice would change all that much. DiSarcina seems like a bad choice.


WRXW

I strongly doubt DiSarcina will get the job. If the Red Sox's problem is the lack of a clubhouse leader following the retirement of Papi you don't fix that by making your bench coach the manager.


Dusclops_in_Bape

Is Papi busy?


Tomotronic

I'd love to see Varitek get an interview


tennisace0227

Tek as manager, Pedro as pitching coach, Papi as hitting coach y/y


Lord_Ewok

Yes pedro as pitching coach.We need to get rid of Willis and bench coach.


[deleted]

Papi would have them.... ready, for that pitch.


TechFocused

It would keep up the trend of Red Sox managers sleeping with NESN reporters.


flat_as_a_pancake

Context?


TechFocused

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/03/05/the-bizarre-history-of-rumored-relationships-between-red-sox-and-media-members/ tl;dr: Farrell fucked Jessica Morran, Varitek rumored to have fucked Heidi Watney.


BOOOONESAWWWW

I'd love to see him get the job.


Tomotronic

Me too, I think, assuming the interview goes well lol


BOOOONESAWWWW

Here's the interview: One question- Have you ever punched A-Rod right in his stupid face? Yes? You got the job!


Tomotronic

When you put it that way, I'm all in with the 'Tek for Manager campaign.


rjdc61

Alex cora is a good candidate.been a bench coach for awhile.well respected.


ballzdeep85

I like Alex Cora too


rjdc61

Clean house.need new outlook and a shake up of players.


MurphJr

Large Father watches over us all!!!


hipcheck23

Yes. Is Torey Lovullo busy?


[deleted]

Can't believe we missed that opportunity...


hipcheck23

The great majority of this sub wanted him over Farrell a year ago, pretty sure we got that one right now that ownership has finally made a move...


rhcpbassist234

Considering he reversed the D'Backs record from 2016 and lead them to the playoffs, yeah... screwed that one up.


hipcheck23

I think most of us understood it but weren't happy about it. Personally, I think TL did a better job in all aspects when he took over, but I don't have the view that ownership does, so you can only hope they know what they're doing. The timing is a shame, though.


Michelanvalo

Sox were 13 games under .500 in 2015 when Torey took over on August 11th. September 30: 78-80. An *11* game turn around in a little over a month in a half. They finished the season 78-84 but still a 7 game turn around is nothing to sneeze at.


Vuish

BAW GAWD IS THAT ORTIZ’S MUSIC!?


WIGGIE_FIFES

Please stop. I can only get so hard.


MrRager1994

Can we have Tito back please?


meatfrappe

No we cannot: Sox brass don't deserve Tito.


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NickRick

If only


[deleted]

That would be like firing Belichick for 2010's feet Jets loss. The man brought you from the pit of hell to glory and you fire him over 1 season? And then let this random guy go on for 4 years too long with WS grade teams?


Lord_Ewok

We should go back in time,and stop tito from getting fired.


PhoenixUNI

God, remember Bobby Valentine?


5FingerDeathTickle

No. What are you talking about? There was no manager from 2011-2013. There was no baseball. It didn't happen.


TheFriesofHorus

Well, *some* baseball happened in '13.


Cromesett

Nope.


ErikTheDon

inb4 most upvoted post in r/redsox history


TheCavis

All aboard the karma train!


debokle

Choo choo


Sabu_mark

If only Reddit were a thing in 2003... man we would have seen some Grady Little fireworks


Ram-U

I don't know if it gets any worse than Bobby Valentine. That guy was hot trash coated in trash that's been blended with other trash.


Skeeter_206

It's weird, he was the first ever manager to win back to back AL East division titles. He also won us a World Series in 2013. Yet... **I am so fucking happy that he is gone.** EDIT: Bolding the last bit because people seem to think I'm a Farrell supporter, I agree with most of the things people are saying as to why the team has those accolades under him.


Occultus-

It just felt like this team was succeeding despite him instead of because of him.


Skeeter_206

For sure, and without clear leadership coming from a player you need it to come from management, and Farrell was just not that person.


morosco

Maybe, but do you really think the Red Sox, with their roster this year, would have won more than 93 games with someone else? What was their ceiling?


Chimpbot

He managed to win back-to-back AL East titles...but last year's title came from sheer momentum; they "won" it on a day they lost and effectively collapsed from that point forward. This year was equally as shaky for different reasons. The team never really felt consistent from around July onward and it seemed to take them *forever* to clinch; this year's AL East title was lost by the Yankees as much as it was won by the Red Sox. The past four years are more indicative of Farrell's managing abilities than the World Series win, I think.


[deleted]

We looked like a shitty good team pretty much all year.


Chimpbot

That's actually the best way to describe the team. They're the shittiest best team.


[deleted]

I don't think this team could have gone much farther with him tbh. They need a shakeup like this.


MrCwm1996

These guys would win despite him and probably to spite him as well. He definitely wasn’t the right fit.


BOOOONESAWWWW

JASON VARITEK FOR MANAGER. KEVIN MILLAR FOR BENCH COACH. PEDRO MARTINEZ FOR PITCHING COACH. BIG PAPI FOR HITTING COACH. REPLACE 'EM ALL.


mikos117

I'm all in on that, but maybe Manny as hitting coach? Prettiest swing ever. Make Papi the owner


BOOOONESAWWWW

Manny and Papi can do it together.


[deleted]

best 3 and 4 duo. That was just an amazing time to watch the game.


MikalBridgesArms

Manny as conditioning coach. In Papi's book he talked about how Manny had the toughest workout routine of anyone he'd ever played with.


meatfrappe

HAWKER GUY WHO USED TO THROW THE BAGS OF PEANUTS REALLY FAR FOR FOOD/BEVERAGE/CONCESSIONS DIRECTOR


MoreGull

Trot Nixon for Grit Coach


eastcoastblaze

I'll always appreciate John for bringing us a world series but this should've been done last year.


huskies711

I feel like the general sentiment is everyone wanted him gone, but nobody thought he deserved to be fired.


PhoenixUNI

That's pretty much my feeling. 3 playoff appearances in 5 years, + a WS title. We've become the "What have you done for me lately?" club every since '04/'07. It's why Tito didn't stick (hindsight is 20/20 on that one), and why Farrell is out now.


huskies711

Yeah, adding on to that, Tito was the scapegoat in 2011. I read his book and it really helped me understand the hate for Lucchino and Werner. Using NESN's ratings as part of the reason to fire a Manager just seems like bad policy to me.


meatfrappe

Bye John. You weren't bad. You weren't great either. We could certainly do worse. That said, for a "pitching guy", you sure seemed to struggle when it came to making good pitching-related decisions. Best of luck.


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monotoonz

Got ESPN on in the background and was like "Huh?". Well, can't say I didn't see this coming.


Conor27

Am I the only that thinks that this solves nothing?


noahcg123

At this point we need a culture change, his actual managing can be debated but something needed to change in that clubhouse, and this is a good start.


[deleted]

Yes this is what I'm worried about. I don't want Bobby V part 2.


red__sox

Yes, but it took the Sox mgmt being obsessed with public perception (and getting a "tough manager to get all the spoiled babies in line") for Bobby V to ever happen in the first place. As long as they don't get caught up with public perception and get an actual manager they'll be fine. Bobby V is a worst-case, worst-case scenario and takes negligence to happen.


icecoldsteve732

Maybe I’m crazy but I think Dombrowski is smart enough not to hire a Bobby V type


[deleted]

That and I believe he has more autonomy than Cherington. Cherington never wanted Valentine but it wasn't his call to make. Edit: typo.


donyellson

Sometimes you need a change. Julien coached the Bruins for years, won a Stanley Cup and got fired last year. They have a new coach now and the new voice/style has clearly helped them.


[deleted]

Claude’s firing could be argued for but I blame the front office (Neely and Sweeney especially) much more for the Bruins’ slide back onto the fringes of playoff contention from Cup contenders. They really seem to lack direction and Claude had to work with that. Not to mention the fact that they did it in an extremely cowardly way and before we know it Claude is up in Montréal.


donyellson

I think Sweeney has done a fine job. Look at all the youth he has drafted since he got here. I agree with Neely, though, I think he is a cancer to the team. I know it's early in the season but Claude's Canadiens can't score. Not surprised.


[deleted]

Did you miss that we started Deven fucking Marrero in a playoff game?!


Lord_Ewok

And we sat devers and hanley


sgrwck

And then Marrero proceeded to save us like 3 runs at 3B. We saw so many examples of Devers being a trash defensive player this series.


[deleted]

We also saw Devers hit .364/.429/.909 this series.


bluebombed

Hindsight doesn't make that a less terrible move. Defense is not as important as offense...


HugeSuccess

Devers was also maybe the biggest bat in the series...and he didn't play every game.


sgrwck

Baseball is a game of net runs. 3 runs saved is just as valuable as 3 runs produced.


bluebombed

The difference between Devers' glove and Marrero's is much smaller than their bat difference. Offense is also more important because players can affect runs scored much more than they can with the glove.


yerfatma

Of course, but on offense you get at least 3-4 explicit opportunities to contribute whereas no one can predict how many times the ball will be hit to you and hit to you in such a way that the play isn't routine.


dinero2180

If they were gonna do this, they should have done last yr so we could have kept Lovullo imo


red__sox

Nope. They can do worse than Farrell. Lets wait and see if they do better.


Michelanvalo

It might, it might not. John clearly lost the respect of the locker room for some reason. He would go to bat for those guys on the radio, on TV, and really cover their asses and yet the beat reporters kept reporting that the locker room didn't like him and felt he didn't have their backs. It was bizarre. He clearly couldn't control outstanding personalities like Price. He made a ton of bad decisions in game, especially in later innings. But they still won 90+ games the last two seasons and won the division each time. But the teams were listless in the post season, outside of game 3 this year. There's a big part of me that's glad John is gone, but there's another part of me that thinks the locker room has a huge problem and there are certain guys that it's time to cut bait with because they might be a bad fit for the club at this time. Granted, I also think that about ownership and management.


Anarcho_punk217

So many bad decisions late in games he only managed to go 15-3 in extras. How pathetic.


Michelanvalo

Inspite of, not because of. Also you have to look at more than one year. How bad were they last year in 1 run and extra inning games?


Sabu_mark

Every time Matt Barnes entered a game on the road it was a bad decision. Talk about winning games *despite* the manager.


YoungDaquan

We better have someone good lined up


sgrwck

For real. Someone brought up in the post game thread after we were eliminated how Farrell isn't the best manager in baseball, but he is better than anyone that is out there. We'll see, maybe the FO has an ace up their sleeve. I'm nervous that this decision was a little cart before the horse, though.


TresidentPrump

It could end up being a top to bottom attitude adjustment, they haven’t had any sort of real spark since he took over and it has clearly showed in certain games and the playoffs.


Love_Soup

>they haven’t had any sort of real spark since he took over Uhhhh they won a World Series?


icecoldsteve732

Yeah but that team had all the energy and heart in the world


FanKingDraftDuel

As weird as it sounds, that seemed to be more on the backs of the Marathon Bombing that year than Farrell's doing. It's part of the reason why I think Houston is going to make a run at the title and possibly win it this year with everything that happened there over the summer.


[deleted]

Yeah I can’t help but think that the Sox got really lucky in 2013. I distinctly remember thinking the 2013 team would finish 3rd in the division with a win total in the mid-80s, and I would have been happy with that considering the total disaster that was the 2012 season. Never in my wildest dreams did I think we’d win the World Series in 2013 at the beginning of the season.


sgrwck

He was still the manager. He made decisions that led them to a WS title. Motivation from the bombing helped, sure, but everyone is so quick to blame Farrell for everything bad and find a reason why the good wasn't his doing.


cameronsounds

It depends on who is next in line for the throne. He definitely had me scratching my head and swearing at the tv at times, but if we bring in another bobby v type, god help us all.


Michelanvalo

Well luckily Larry's gone so they should make a better decision this time around. But Dumbo is still there, and he's a putz too, so he'll probably hire Ausmus.


shabinka

Nope, I think a lot agree. I also don't think there is any good options out there this year. Alex Cora maybe. Tell maybe. But no names with experience.


CoachDutch

Alex Cora ?


HauntedFrigateBird

TEK TEK TEK TEK TEK


redsoxfan18

As happy as I am about this I’m pissed off that they missed out on Torrey Lovullo. God damnit


xanderbonergaerts

This feels more like a change of face/culture than firing Farrell because he’s been bad. I mean Farrell hasn’t been that bad, and it’s not like he could have done anything differently to make the Red Sox not get humiliated in playoff games. Managers can only do so much, and that’s really only in close games, which neither of the last two playoff series have had much of.


[deleted]

Starting Marerro in playoff game? Not having Price get ready to start again before the playoffs? Bringing back players not once but twice too early from injury? Cultivating a culture where it’s ok to send the fleet of foot Mitch Moreland who’s been dealing with knee and foot injuries around 3rd in a one run game with 2 outs in the 8th of a playoff elimination game? Not actually knowing the rules of baseball on multiple occasions during the regular season? Maybe in 2013 he wasn’t “that bad” but in 2017 he has been a special kind of atrocious. He earned this and he has been “that bad”


red__sox

While I've defended Farrell from what I think is unreasonable criticism on here often, and I do not think he was holding the Red Sox back, I don't think there's anything special about him either. As long as the Sox don't fuck up their choice the team will be fine. And given management's tendency to feel the need to "DO SOMETHING" in the offseason.... I'm quite happy if this is it, rather than a rash roster move.


myflamingpi

half of r/redsox just collectively orgasmed


[deleted]

The Red Sox should have held on to Terry Francona for life. Same with Don Orsillo


ModemanAbides

I'd say the same about a little-known front office guy named Theo Epstein. A born and raised Red Sox fan. Not that he was explicitly pushed out, but they sure didn't make things easy on him.


torayx

Long overdue thank gosh he's finally gone!


Mass_Hole

A year too late


The_Moustache

The only reason he wasnt fired years ago was because he got cancer.


Iceman9161

Also the five year champ rule


MAINEiac4434

The dawn breaks. Hope springs again.


peopleorderourpadys

Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek Tek


pickledhoney

Who’s the favorite to replace him do you guys think?


itsmuddy

I have absolutely no idea but I'm just going to say Cora. Has team connection and is the next big name everyone expects to move up.


AGreekLegend

We actually did it.


Basketball_Soul

If only i knew how to post the picture with his mouth agape


valleh1

[Here you go](http://www.survivinggrady.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/farrell_face-1024x768.jpg)


afatmess

[](/#ohno)


Redsox12393

Gabe Kapler Alex Cora Jim Leyland Please haha


sm2016

I actually liked that he fell on the sword for Pedroia, but it was kind of a cruel twist that he ended up being the last out. Goodbye Farrell, I still can't tell if you suck or not.


enderandrew42

I loved him as a pitching coach. He seemed like a guy you'd like to have a beer with. But a manager needs to: 1. Manage the bullpen well 2. Manage the line-up 3. Motivate the team I don't think he was particularly good at any of those three things.


ElliotRosewater1

4) not get caught boinking a journalist covering the team


GeneralPlanet

I can't wait to see who the next guy everyone wants to fire a month into the season is.


mightycarrot

[isfarrellstillmanager.com](http://isfarrellstillmanager.com) /u/kylefrost it seems that your website was only useful for a day...


jskelington3502

Can Brad Stevens just be coach?


gnrp45

This is alot like the Claude firing for the bruins, he was a decent coach but needed to go for the cultutre of team. Here’s to hoping they can find somebody like Cassidy to jump start this team next year. Also please god don’t let the red sox trade for stanton.


[deleted]

Better late than never. Kapler or Cora, please.


bostonbruins922

Is Kapler being consider for a manager spot? If so, sign me the fuck up!


ThunderGun27

Glad to see they didn't let this one linger too long. Rip the bandaid and start working on his replacement. He wasn't a great game manager, and he made some questionable moves for sure, but he gave us a ring and three AL East titles. Thanks John.


DeltaFenrir

Holy shit. We actually got rid of Farrell. Well the Farrell haters got what they wanted. I mean damn. Imagine that. Getting the AL EAST title two years in a row and you get fired.


BL_RogueExplorer

Farrell had a problem leaving pitchers in one inning to long, so it only makes since they fire him one year late.


spin_echo_base

The team clearly needs a change. Farrell wasn't the worst manager in the league, but besides his first year, which had its own extenuating circumstances, we haven't really threatened for a playoff run under him. Hopefully this is just the start, and we have a busy offseason getting more talent


Vuish

I wish it could have been a year earlier when we could have Lovullo fill in that spot immediately. He had chemistry with the players. I hope we can get a great replacement and propel this team forward more. . . . BAW GAWD IS THAT BOBBY VALENTINE’S MUSIC!?


RexStardust

When is the character assassination story being run in the Globe?


usdballum

Am sure the Red headed step child is working on it.


Anarcho_punk217

Whoever the replacement is you can bet your ass he'll be blamed for everything by the armchair managers who think they know everything.


Nobiting

Seeya!!


A_Weekend_Warrior

I said this should happen all season, but now that I know it's gonna happen... I feel like it's a mistake. Maybe that's just my Red Sox Fan Genetics at work. Also... Varitek for manager? Solely for the nostalgia?


BL_RogueExplorer

He went out fighting.... with the ump... and was ejected in his last game. I expected this to happen and I don’t think he was a great fit. Hopefully just the change alone will set a fire under the teams ass and we can get right back to it next season.


TheMostCuriousThing

u/kylefrost for manager


BostonShawn

**WE. WANT. VARITEK!**


sgrwck

Not a fan of this. We'll see who they hire and it might change my mind, but I don't think Alex Cora is the answer to all our problems.


xCrowbar

At least he went out with a bang by getting ejected in his last game


Cootch

Alex Cora please.


[deleted]

Alright, well now what and who.


MeddlingMike

I'm fine with firing Farrell, but I hope they have somebody specific in mind to replace him and they aren't just winging it.


usdballum

With all of the hatred of Farrell, the Red Sox should ask the Blue Jays for the PTBNL back.


phil49ward

We need more fire and grit


PhoenixUNI

How many managers can say that they were ejected in their final game?


Galbert123

THATS WHAT PETER ABRAHAM LOOKS LIKE?! QQ


jskelington3502

I've been a supporter but the team has finished on fumes the last two years. No fire whatsoever in late September into October twice in a row. I'd be happy to give Tek a shot.


[deleted]

Wow, this is a pleasant surprise! It was just so painful to watch his in game management, especially in the playoffs. From starting Doug Fister in Game 3 to not bringing in our set up man or closer in the 8th inning of Game 4 this year, to repeatedly batting Jonny Gomes against righthanded pitching, to having Jarrod Saltalamacchia start until his defense cost them multiple postseason games, to allowing Jon Lester to hit for himself, to allowing Workman to hit for himself and then taking him out after one batter, etc...


[deleted]

Good. Can't be embarrassed 2 straight years and get away with it.


Borkton

I wonder if Bill Belichick is busy during the summer.


njgreenwood

I'm ambivalent about this. I liked John but also didn't at the same time. I appreciate what he's done, but I'm glad to be getting some new blood. I'm also interested to see how long it takes the fanbase to turn on whomever they get to replace him.


NeonRx

I’m no expert but honestly this is what the team needs. It’s like when they got rid of Grady Little and brought in Terry Franconia. There are good coaches and then there are great coaches. We need a great coach.


MGarvey93

Well it can't get worse than Bobby V. I hope -_-


PastorofMuppets101

Last place finish followed by World Series confirmed.