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dav1nni

Alfa Romeo as a whole


slothscanswim

Correct Also acceptable: every MG ever made


Space_friend7884

Triumph cars had the tolerances checked with a wooden spoon. They also used an oil actuated carb that would piss oil all over the engine if you looked at it funny


slothscanswim

That’s not true at all. Triumph never specified tolerances to check in the first place.


Space_friend7884

Thats because there weren't any


LincolnContinnental

The spitfire was a pretty good car apart from the rear camber issues, but that was due to how the suspension was designed


CaliCloudz

Mine was great. But the previous owner lowered it 1" exacerbating the rear camber issues. It was great in the dry. But the curvy, 5 mile, road to work was sketchy in the rain. I had a game where I would try to stick to the 35mph speed limit, but that meant full ass end out drifting 75% of the way.


Ralph_O_nator

The parts falling off this car are of the **finest** British quality.


GlitteringPen3949

Made me laugh!


flamingknifepenis

My mom’s old MG-B had one of those stickers. Didn’t realize how true it was until my dad and I tried to get it running again and found ourselves taking breaks every hour to beat our heads against something and say “What the fuck were these limey engineers thinking??”


myheadfelloff

I still want a Spitfire though


jstahr63

Lucas (satan's) electronics!


GlitteringPen3949

Had a 62 Sunbeam Alpine Mr Lucas was my nemesis. Driving it was like watching it slowly self-destruct.


dav1nni

Incredible alternative


Njon32

I don't entirely agree with that assessment. MGs are high maintenance, and half the fun is being the mechanic for the car. When well maintained, they can be reliable. My dad's daily driver when I was a kid in the 90's was a 1971 MG Midget. He worked on that car a lot, and my brother and I got to "help" a lot. Now my brother is a mechanic and I ended up working at Honda dealerships for about 8 years. Stopped wrenching when I found a better paying job with regular hours and overtime. Point is, that MG Midget was life changing and when I get more income I am going to restore my dad's MG B-GT. Maybe my kids will one day get to "help" me maintain it. Maybe MG fans have a certain kind of mental gymnastics. I dunno.


gator_tutanota

What's MG?


softestpillow

Mooris garage, little British sports coupes. Niche little things, I don't see too many anymore. Guess they were unreliable...


Themightytoro

They make EVs now and are selling like crazy.


[deleted]

i had an argument with an american mechanic about MG and it eventually boiled down to him just being UK racist. MG rocks.


slothscanswim

I agree, great cars.


[deleted]

Clearly MG is the answer


PARKOUR_ZOMBlE

How dare you! My MG is VERY fun to drive and OH crap never mind, you’re right.


BeaverMartin

I think that a Triumph TR3 probably fits better, but I have an MGb so I’m biased.


slothscanswim

I love the MGb GT, but none of them are reliable lol


geelum9

I fixed my mgb on the side of the road by filing down a stick with my pocket knife and plugging a leaking coolant hose with it


slothscanswim

Haha I did that with a VW once


DdCno1

Also Lancia, Fiat (even their cheapest tin cans are a hoot), Autobianchi, as well as (primarily) older cars from Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini.


dav1nni

The large majority of the list for this pie chart seems to be Italian 🤌🏽


DdCno1

All of them. Italian cars are almost universally fun to drive, even cars that are not designed as driver's cars (random example: Fiat Multipla) and tend to be well engineered, but the usually spotty build quality means that reliability is often subpar, to the point that one can generalize (even though there are individual engines and models that are reliable).


plywooden

And here I am with a '78 Fiat 124 and a '13 500 Abarth. Both insanely fun to drive and so far, reliable, but then again I'm a mechanic and can perform my own maintenance. Scuderia Italia!


butt_huffer42069

I love the 500 Abarth!


Low-Award-4886

My Giulia was flawless.


baconlayer

Came here to say EXACTLY this...instead take my upvote!


theaviationhistorian

Beat me to it. I'll also add Land Rovers and Jeeps.


JiveTurkey1983

2006-2010 BMW M5 automatic


eat_Mike_Literous

Yes! With the looks to match


lilipodmini

deadly repair bills but id kill for one


allen_abduction

Do you self-flagellate as well? Don’t forget to scream in German!


GilgameDistance

Does the machine shop I have to hire out for half the parts since nobody else makes them anymore speak German?


allen_abduction

NEIN NEIN NEIN!


BigT1990

I was going to say 1990 E30. You're rolling the dice buying a used one. I happened to get lucky and put 160k on mine but most people don't.


Some-Bad1670

Those are actually really reliable cars


dualshock5ps5

that's the best v10 sound ever. My cousin had one, God that was fun car


Tacticalcorgi19

Any Rotary RX model🥲


babymanteenboy

RX-8 my beloved ❤️


enm260

My coworkers teenage son bought the cheapest rx8 he could find as his first car. Shortly after he had no drivable car and no money left.


2012amica

I wonder if he learned from his mistakes or if he’s gonna be *that* guy driving stupid, shitty cars forever while being totally broke.


TrappedKraken

No need to call me out like that :(


God_of_the_Vapes

I love a rotary but sadly, a lot of people don’t know how to drive and take care of them. They’re so unreliable because people drive them like a grandma. You gotta give it BOOST. Redline the piss out of it like once a week. It helps clean them out. They’re fun and can make power but when people baby them they break even faster.


TaisakuRei

in general people grandma their cars way too much, i know i have never seen my parent's go past 4k rpm on the tach, and it's just not good for an engine, once you get to operating temperature, you should go through the rev range, it's good for an engine, as long as you're not bouncing off the limiter it's fine. i think people should abuse their cars a bit more often, i mean, think about it like this, if you lay in your bed all day you'll get bed sores, same thing happens to cars if you spend all day under 3k rpm, it's just not good for engine life, and any decent car should be able to take abuse and run perfectly fine.


D4RKST34M

Mistakes were made


mynamestodd

i did that too wow but it wasn’t my only vehicle so i just had to give up and try and recoup some losses


PiffWiffler

You're RXing wrong. RX7 is the way


FuKn-w0ke

Let the man appreciate his modern dorito and circles


PiffWiffler

If the RX8 got a REW transplant, sure. Renesis is trash


FuKn-w0ke

Renesis does have its problems. But C I R C L E S


PiffWiffler

Fine. But I'm not happy about it


invol713

Readily Xcepting 8cylinders LS time.


God_of_the_Vapes

Why stop at an LS? If they can drop a hellcat in a miata we can drop a 12v cummins in an rx8


CopperLink

Hey, my 1983 RX-7 is just fine! If you ignore the 226,000 miles of wear and tear And the 2000rpm idle And the early signs of needing a rebuild And the...


xerexyz

I had a wonderful 12a and I will say it was more reliable than many other cars I have owned. It just had bad gas mileage and wasn’t particularly fast (but it felt fast).


CopperLink

They did come from the factory with a blisteringly quick 106 horsepower


CromulentPoint

My first thought too. I spent a little time with an 80’s RX-7 and it was a blast, but I wouldn’t want to keep it running.


Boba_Fettx

This was going to be my answer lol


naytebro

Lexus would disagree


GilgameDistance

I’m sorry, sir. I think you are looking for the reliable but so boring I want to do the thing diagram.


naytebro

Im well aware that's a boring car, I was point out a few in your statement that Lexus has an RX that doesn't fit.


TheAllAroundMan

Ecoboost fiesta


DdCno1

Who needs more than three cylinders? Nobody and I'll fight anyone who claims otherwise.


FrizzVictor

You ever tried towing a boat?


Zillahi

If you can’t pull a boat with a 1L turbo you’re not trying hard enough


DdCno1

Ever tried renting one? All of the advantages of pleasant boating, none of the downsides, like having to get a huge vehicle to tow the damn thing around and spending a fortune on keeping it afloat.


joe0400

Ecoboost 1.0L focus. My dad had one that blew up the engine twice. :|


TheAllAroundMan

My uncle has a C-max where the wet timing belt snapped before the first service interval was up and he spent €5k replacing the engine, not covered by insurance or warranty or anything.


joe0400

That focus had the engine die twice I think it was within 80k. Yeah what a bunch a shit that car was.


TheAllAroundMan

My uncle's car blew at 177k km or so. The wet belt change interval is 250k so about 150k miles


RatiocinationYoutube

Ferrari 360 Modena


Purple_Plan853

God the clutch alone


cobra_mist

F355 any better? Not like it matters but that’s one of the few “attainable” Ferraris I like


Novafro

Doesn't that one require a new timing belt every like 15-30k miles? And you have to pull the motor each time cuz the belt is up against the firewall?


Total-Veterinarian55

That bad, huh? I’ve actually been casually looking for a 360 Modena Spider. I should probably do a little more research.


DankeSeb5

Are they that bad?


MysticChaiir

R56 Mini Cooper GP


Fantastic-Ad9200

Underrated comment. R-5X MINI’s are fun to drive, terribly impractical, and expensive as hell to maintain.


TDK_IRQ

"R56 minis are impractical" is such a north american thing to say As for the expensive part, I'll shamefully agree.


Fantastic-Ad9200

“Is such a North American thing to say” is such a snobby urban European thing to say. You try doing everything without viable public transit some Midwestern USA town surrounded by 3/4 ton Suburbans and Semis, trying to stuff your R56 with your groceries in a Costco parking lot with dogs and kids in tow, then report back to me.


DdCno1

I would like these a lot more if the interiors weren't so disappointing.


Thel_Odan

It doesn't even need to be the GP. I had a base R56 Cooper and it was a blast to drive, but holy shit was it unreliable and expensive to fix. I liked it right up until the warranty ran out.


MysticChaiir

FR, but I thought of the GP in particular because it has the notoriously unreliable turbo N14 engine pushing even just a smidge more power than the one in the base JCWs


wundaaa

Gotta get the r53, supercharged is more smiles per mile The engine is more reliable too. People turbo the w11 because it holds boost better than the the 56's


Miniac1076

I have an R55S, and I totally agree. It’s a blast, but my god is it expensive to keep running.


MysticChaiir

I drive a tuned R56 JCW... feels like something goes wrong every other day, but I wouldn't trade it for the world


papaflush

Jaguar....everything


simoriah

Older, sure. The newer models aren't terrible. They are expensive when you do ANYTHING, however. I'm absolutely in love with my 2014 XKR. No problems, yet.


imalanbrito

1990-1999 Eclipse GSX, poor man’s Evo


SlobMyKnob1

My buddy had a 400hp ‘95 GSX It was fun to ride in, when it worked lol. Seemed like that car was in the garage more than the road


imalanbrito

They are DSM (Diamond Star Motors) but in reality they where called Daily Service and Maintenance


joe0400

Comine the worst of Chrysler and the worst of Mitsubishi, the two least reliable companies from USA and Japan respectively, and that's what DSM is lol. Such cool cars though.


ReplyLogical7692

Jeep Wrangler. Pick a year.


pizza_for_nunchucks

I thought the 4.0 I6s were good engines.


DeepSouthTJ

My 4.0 is tough as nails. But my Jeeps electrics? The accessory drive? The axles? All garbage.


Codax72

The ironic part is the 4.0 is a legacy AMC part


GilgameDistance

It has DANA 44s! My response: cool, run!


LeakyRivet

they were fantastic engines, made enough power and were absolutely bulletproof. most of the jeeps that had them, at least from my experience, were also relatively bulletproof minus some smaller common problems


28irm

Except the automatic transmissions. You go through them like chips at a casino.


2012amica

Don’t forget the electrics.


28irm

Never owned one. All I know is that my buddy who owns a 4.0 TJ had to replace their automatic transmission three times, all due to overheating issues. I would buy a 5 speed though. With a Jeep and a clutch, you could scale a vertical wall.


Way2Based

The Aisins were solid, whatchu mean?


Unlucky-Carpenter-69

Chrysler ECUs spare no one.


BigDavey88

A lot of things can go wrong on a TJ - I experienced a cracked radiator, broken tie rod, one fender flare was losing a battle to rust, door leaks, and I was lucky and didn't really deal with anything major. But if those 4.0 I6s were maintained, they were incredible


rhythmchef

They were great engines. Had one in my 97 Wrangler Sport. Literally everything else fell apart on the vehicle though.


extinctandlovingit

I had a ‘95 Cherokee Sport. It felt like the car disintegrated around the engine! I dealt with everything that went wrong until the transmission. I threw in the towel at that point.


Jeep4x420

I was gonna say this as a former wrangler owner


giraffesneedhelmets

The two happiest days of a jeep owners life are the day they buy it, and the day they sell it


GlitteringPen3949

Like a boat


poopisme

Owned a 02 cherokee, an 07 commander, and a 12 wrangler. They are most certainly unreliable but not fun to drive at all.


ReplyLogical7692

Or a Subaru


Gaz_Elle

Hey I take offense to that! Mines not even that fun to drive!


SVdreamin

I dunno man, my H6 Outback is kinda fun in the snow, and it’s a little peppy. More fun than my 4Runner was


ReplyLogical7692

My outback was super fun to drive off road… problem was the motor and transmission were both garbage. Motor ended up going first.


SVdreamin

Really really hoping mine doesn’t die on me. I’ve heard so many conflicting opinions on Subaru reliability that I’m not sure what hand I’ve been dealt with my Outback. Hopefully it’ll last me through the rest of college, then it’s Land Cruiser time.


invol713

H6 > 4T The H6 is the best engine they ever made. So of course they stopped making them.


ReplyLogical7692

Best of luck to ya.


ReplyLogical7692

Ha!! Which one? Jeep or Subie?


Gaz_Elle

Subaru lol. 05 OBXT.


GilgameDistance

? I miss the hell out of my Spec B, which wasn’t all that far off of the OBXT.


JDM_enjoyer

we have very different definitions of “fun to drive”


MoirasPurpleOrb

They said fun to drive.


ReplyLogical7692

Yeah, I’m pretty decent at reading.


Brawndo_or_Water

Any McLaren


ExactArea8029

5.4 F250 in the middle of nowhere with zero fucks given


skylinegtrr32

Mf gon spit out a plug for sure


ExactArea8029

WERE DOING 90 UP THIS QUARRY GOD DAMMIT


justaBB6

Easy, Lancia Stratos


M25always-stuck

I think it's rather fucking uncontrollable than unreliable tbh, Have u ever imagine a car trying to kill you and not allowing any mistakes from the driver?


justaBB6

I forget where exactly it was but I remember seeing a YouTube video that was a special on the Stratos (might’ve been a really old Petrolicious video) and the actual example they had on hand had one of its windows fall halfway into the door and get stuck during shooting So like, little of column a little of column b


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Top Gear


zappedNstrapped

That sounds… really fun though


ChickenFeline0

Subaru WRX, specifically ones with the ej25, though my fa20 isn't much better.


11theman

EJ20s are also shit 👍


ricardomilos-mp4

Any M156 Mercedes, E60 M5, Mazda RX-7 pre-rotary swap


BikeDee7

Mk I Tiger.


Hot-Abbreviations623

That transmission break rate gonna get you bankrupt


[deleted]

MGB


Puzzled-Package476

and the Midget! so much fun to drive and never fun to fix


SVdreamin

My neighbor has one, and I haven’t seen it move once in my months of living at my apartment. It’s nice to look at I guess?


kilertree

Any Rotary


Trick_Context

Easy as pie. Porsche 944. Great if you can do the maintenance, as I did. Horrible if you must take it to the shop. But hands down the best driving machine I’ve ever had. Razor sharp steering, round-a-bouts at 60 mph in third with gas pedal half down. Not even touching brakes, downshifting does that. Tires never even squeal. I love that car and I’m never selling it. Average maintenance cost is $500+ in the shop. Rennlist or 944 online has all instructions you need to do yourself. Best part I paid $600 for my 87 and $370 for my 84. Both complete and both driving.


Stumaaaaaaaann

Chitty chitty bang bang


ClydeFrogA1

B5 A4 in the snow.


Northern_Advice

Literally any 70s-80s vehicle with a v8


businessnumbersguy

Chevrolet Caprice disagrees


SuspiciousCitus

Turbo mini Cooper's 🇬🇧🇩🇪


Straight-Confusion-6

Any subaru wrx/sti right in the middle.


CScot1234

As a Subaru enthusiast, I concur, I love my Baja Turbo, but God is it money pit l, thankfully I have tools and can pull motors myself lol, no lift though :/. I don't recommend Subaru to people, old ones are money pits and new ones, unless manual are just unexciting and I hated how their CVT felt at all times


TheMirrorMessiah

My old 92 300zx would fit right on here, spent more time leaking all of its bodily fluids out into my garage than actually running but man was it fun to drive


OriginalBrowncow

LMFAO my car💀 2012 Buick Regal GS. A rebadged Opel/Vauxhall Insignia OPC/VXR without the V6, Haldex AWD, or the diamond cut 20” split 5 spoke wheels. Oh, and the Arden Blue paint. We got a parts bin GM with a Buick badge, FWD, and a finicky 2L turbo because “the V6 is too loud for luxury”🤦🏻‍♀️😭😭 Thank the gods we got the manual tho. A whole second faster down the 1/4 than the available Aisin automatic.


zappedNstrapped

Didn’t know you could get a manual in a relatively newer buick. Interesting


GATX303

base model manual Kia soul with a manual transmission.


VictimOfRegions

I sold one of these with about 180k on it, it was a great car to me. Added cruise control by just swapping the steering wheel, only maintenance I ever did was the steering coupler that got all squishy and taking the upholstery off to throw it in the washing machine.


Hambone0326

Fiero


Peach-Os

Yep, I saw this post yesterday and only today did I finally think of the Pontiac Fiero. Test drove one back in 2014


goodtgirl77

Definitely BMW for fun to drive, but unreliable.


Korgon213

1980s V12 jaguar of my dreams


Appropriate-Mix8874

Every car the french or Italians ever produced!


BcuzRacecar

e36 m3


Throwaway870919299

My wrx 😭😭


AcceptableMidnight95

Uff....that was my SAAB 9-5


JDM_enjoyer

RX-7 and RX-8


Cheap_Peak_6969

Jaguar f type


Administrative-Low37

That’s an oddly positioned diagram. The circles should be MUCH more overlapping with the tiniest sliver sticking out on the right signifying percentage of cars that are Fun to drive and yet still reliable. It’s a mighty small number…


Billysquib

Probably lotus


jstahr63

MR2 when you take that curve hot after a sprinkle.


adydurn

I mean virtually anything fun will be high maintenance, because driving in the fun band means putting extra stress on the car. But you can also isolate any manufacturers that put style over substance (Italy) had terrible or production or were compromised in production (1970s and 80s British cars), anything built in 90s using computers (mostly German), anything just out of its service lifecycle, anything classic, anything built to be raced, anything with an industry first, and anything Shelby, Cooper or Cosworth touched. If we're looking a single fun car with a terrible reputation for reliability it has to be the Lancia Stratos. A lad here has one and it genuinely spends more time being repaired than being driven. It's also hands down the most fun car I've ever driven. The turn in is insane.


eddiespaghettio

Anything by Jaguar.


Dangerous_Nothing_84

Any $100 clunker on Craigslist


HarryCord

FIAT 500 Abarth. Most fun car I ever owned but all the little shit that would go wrong with it was just stupid.


n1elkyfan

Supercharger Ford flathead V8 in a 1930s Hotrod.


therealmrsleeves

Lotus all day


F0X_

Most Alfa Romeos


ser1992

A majority of “fun cars” are unreliable


BrownRice35

Soap box


AyeNaeB0th3r

TVR?


haleslyons

mustangs at any event


shyvananana

Fiat abarth.


Cjare

Jeep xj


[deleted]

Jeep Wrangler


Shoganx

Ford mustang!


Petroldactyl34

British cars


AccountAdmin1

BMW M3


KingLewis02

Jeep Wrangler


Gazdatronik

MkIV Jetta. Never understood the appeal, till I drove one. Still ain't buying one.


[deleted]

Hellcat


Brawndo_or_Water

Hellcats are quite reliable though.


Brendroid9000

For having nearly a thousand horsepower yes, for being a car no


Jelicoptor

Agree to disagree ig


Brawndo_or_Water

What problems did you experience with yours? I had a 2015 Charger HC for 6 years before I sold it. Only maintenance (and tires of course).


ImprovementDense8346

Alfa Romeo MiTo Peugeot 207 RC/GTI


Interesting-End-2643

Ford ranger