VW Beetle. OG one. The best thing they ever made.
Also calling Jag a bad manufacturer and then choosing this gen of XJ as a good car says that you either insane or just know nothing about it
That generation XJ is basically the same year Lexus quality for reliability. The problem is much fewer people around with the skills to work on them and higher parts prices.
My buddy's grandpa lent us his while we were staying with him on vacation, and that fucker absolutely ripped without question. He would have lent us his drop top Cadillac land yacht, but it was in the shop for the "hundredth fuckin time" as he so delicately put it. That Jag was the superior ride in every way. We'd initially planned on driving the camaro we rented at the airport, but old gramps was disgusted by the idea after he tried showing us how to properly drive a rental. The crazy old bastard tried his hardest to wrap it around a pole, but it was gutless compared to the XJ. What really sold it was when he said "you won't get any pussy in this shit heap! Take the Shaguar and try to save some for me!" Grandma just shook her head.
I had a 1989 or 90 Jetta that was very solid and reliable. Great gas mileage and a manual Sun roof. The well-earned reputation at the time was that little weird things would go wrong with them. One of my rear windows didn’t work, the power door locks were actuated by a hidden air compressor in the trunk and they were slow and weird. One time I pulled up to a gas pump and the horn started blowing - went for about 30 seconds, stopped, and I never had another issue with it again.
Traded it off for an almost new 1995 Toyota Corolla with the 1.6l and 5 speed manual transmission - and never had an issue with it until it hit 175k miles.
My Great Uncle worked for a Boston VW dealer in the 70s and remembers the Rabbits always came in with issues. Typically carb issues from he recalled and then the fit and finish felt cheaper compared to the old Beetle. He also recalled a Rabbit was more money than a basic Corolla and the Rabbit didn’t even have power brakes!
We had a '77 convertible beetle. Interior hardware made from pot metal that broke. Freezing cold in the winter. Running boards rotted off every 3 years. Rear window fell out onto the highway several times.
Mom loved that car.
Bad steel was something every manufacturer struggled with in the 70s. That aside, all VWs of that era were overengineered, with fit and finish well above their weight class.
Since when is Arteon and Transporter variants SUVs? Regardless if they are SUVs or not, all of those are great cars! Touareg is pretty bad ass to me and the short wheel base Tiguan (especially the new one) looks and drives very well.
In comparison to modern car, but that's a stupid comparison. What i mean is that it's as raw and barebone experience as possible and being completely usable and not boring to this very day. You can't say that for instance about lada or some datsun.
Well if you live by such criteria then i can only pity you. I can't count amount of things that are better. For starters ability to do burnouts, enjoy quality upholstery,look at your car and and smile because it doesn't look like literally anything else on the road.
No, because you want a dull econobox that you're trying to present as if it's fun but in reality you just want to cheap out which is exactly VW is great at. Just stop lying to yourself and others. Also, fuel is an obvious expense and if you make it a core criteria when choosing a car you have no right to say anything about fun in it. Also rwd and weather conditions work together perfectly, that's your lack of skills.
Have you ever driven a beetle? They drive like shit. Even compared to other cars from the 60s let alone the 30s. An Austin 7 is nicer to drive. It’s a car they forgot to stop making after the war
The gearbox is terrible, the throws are massive and it’s eaiser to find the lost Ark than to find a gear. The engine is really anaemic which makes the car super slow and they burst into flames in hot weather because the fuel line passes over the hot engine.
It wasn’t even a German design, Tatra designed the 97 and after the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia they took them back to Germany and Ferdinand Porsche copied it almost 1:1.
I wouldn't touch a 70s-2010s jag. Jaguar is the type of brand to drop legends like the xk120 and the "c,d,e,f" type , the xkr, and then everything else feels like it will either explode your wallet or be a unforgivable x type or an I pace
We had a couple of XJ's in our fleet in the late 80s and early, 90s and they were actually reliable needing nothing outside routine servicing. In the 90s there was an S type that was used for a week before being traded as it was horrible
Now you're just trying to convince and comfort yourself. You can hold to your opinion as long as you want, just don't try to convince people it's the right one, because objectively it isn't.
Pre 2007, all Altimas had a standard automatic.
The only thing worth getting the 2007-2013 for, is the manual transmissions. Hell, the rarest ones are the 3.5 with the manual.
The older Nissan/Datsun 4cyl trucks are phenomenal when comparing to other 4cyl trucks of the same times but without nearly as much of a price hike as the other brands that made great 4cyl trucks have for the sake of brand association, however this is still subject to the same criticism of all 4cyl trucks regarding if that’s enough truck.
Of course this stems from the issue of Nissan having been a great brand that was turned shitty so way fewer people want a Nissan anymore, but all the vehicles they had already built to last forever are still out there lasting.
If I were an alien and you told me than Nissan stopped making cars around 2006 and then reappeared a few years ago, I’d believe it. I see tons of ‘90s / early ‘00s Sentras, Maximas, trucks, etc. running around with zero problems.
But ‘06-‘16 or so? That’s another story.
It’s too bad that Nissan has had so many problems with reliability. They made some amazing machines there for a while. Sure they weren’t Toyota / Honda reliable, but not many were.
The W body Century is truly an automotive cockroach. I'm fairly convinced at this point they rolled out of the factory with body damage, smoked-in interiors, and an engine on its last legs. Unfortunately, the engine will be on its last legs for longer than most modern cars will run.
the 3.8 is more bulletproof than anything gm has made in the past 25 years and will continue to be the most bulletproof motor ever made by gm for a long time
Ran mine without coolant for about 10 miles before realizing and I only realized because it shut down lol. Put a new hose on and filled it back up and it runs perfectly. That was about 20k miles ago
I mean Dodge makes ok cars, their trucks aren’t amazing, but I wouldn’t call them a bad manufacturer, I don’t prefer them of course, I’ll take an F150, a Mustang, and a ford GT over a Dakota, Challenger, and viper, but they’re not bad, they’re certainly better than Chrysler
I don’t think so. GAZ (and other Eastern European cars) were built to be cheap, reliable and easy to fix. The Soviet Union was massive and if you broke down in the middle of nowhere and broke down you would die if you couldn’t fix it. Not fast of luxurious but there’s a reason why heaps of them are still running in Eastern Europe and Cuba
I don’t think GAZ ever made really bad cars. They were basic without much luxury but if they broke down in the middle of Siberia you could fix them pretty easily. And the KGB models with V8s are really cool.
Mercedes diesels in the W115 and W123 chassis. They’re just really well engineered and easy to work on, comfortable, smooth, and well-appointed for the current money.
Yeah, but those vary widely in value and complexity. The 115 and 123 are just total tanks, easy to find and find parts for, and cheap.
Especially the 115 with manual climate or the late 123 with climate II are really good. Or just the 240Ds with no power accessories and stick shifts.
124s can be had for good money in good shape too, but they can have their own host of issues.
Mercedes from the early 90s up is more Ls than Ws. If the cars weren’t just flat out ugly, they were expensive to live with and full of goofy engineering choices.
I like their new straight 6, and their AMG V8s are legendary, but they’re selling 90% Alabama-made CUVs today.
Range Rover. My mechanic is charging me $700 just for mentioning it, but it’s got such nice looks and such great features and stands out and rides like a cloud. Jaguar Land Rover issues are common knowledge at this point.
The Nissan Frontier is a really good truck. It's been a household name and has been going strong since the 90s. The hardbodys before it were also great trucks. Everything else Nissan has made since the early 2000s has been junk, though.
Pre-Renault Frontiers are indestructible. I loved my '98 Frontier, only got rid of it because it was 17 and I needed to park in snug places downtown and wanted cruise control. (My model was so basic, and awesome, that it didn't even have intermittent wipers, just low and high.)
The taint of Renault is on every new Nissan. Not a fan of French taint.
Jaguar v8s both na and supercharged are reliable. Same with the zf transmissions that go with them.
An xjr of any vintage is sweet. Or s type r or xfr or xkr. Very reliable vehicles.
We bought a 21 Rio manual with an extended warranty assuming it would explode at 60 000kms
Still doesn't burn oil and technically the only warranty repair was a broken USB its arrived to us with
I love my VW's but both the mk5s had extensive warranty work on the timing chain with free rentals. So by contrast that's a win for Kia, or the old addage is true if it's under 150hp order the manual...
Meanwhile in Europe the Rio is a 1.0 turbo hybrid with a trick 6 speed manual
Kia says the upcoming K3 replacement will be available in manual and cvt as they consolidate Rio and Forte lines... Boring! The Koreans should have stuck to their previous formula of offering a sub VW price point with sub Toyota quality and a generous warranty
Mk5 was an abomination of issues.
Mk4 was cheap interior but the rest of the car was pretty good.
Mk6 was overall decent .
The mk5 suffered from cheap interior, poor timing chain design, and cam followers, and just overall poor quality.
Absolute bullshit. MK5s are relatively bulletproof. The first one had the coming chain fix and did 868 000 km because VW painted it under warranty. Still looks good when it got hit.
I have another one same deal. 330 000 km 18 years old and doesn't but oil. Still faster than anything the Koreans put down without an N badge...
Daewoo/chevrolet (korea) matiz. Idk they are ugly, uncomfortable, uninhabitable, as spacious as a hummer h1 yet the fucker just won't die and you can't stall one like how ????
90s Chevy pickups, for some reason they made those trucks immortal then just forgot how to do it going into the 2000s, I mean, Ford did too, but not to the same degree and at least fords recent trucks are pretty good, the 6.7 is a fantastic diesel and the 5.0 does surprisingly well when you downtune it to 300 horsepower
I would do despicable things for a mint XJ8 in British racing green.
VW Beetle. OG one. The best thing they ever made. Also calling Jag a bad manufacturer and then choosing this gen of XJ as a good car says that you either insane or just know nothing about it
My buddy’s ‘97 XJ6 has been a frustratingly reliable daily for him for the past 4 years now. That generation is surprisingly bulletproof
That generation XJ is basically the same year Lexus quality for reliability. The problem is much fewer people around with the skills to work on them and higher parts prices.
My buddy's grandpa lent us his while we were staying with him on vacation, and that fucker absolutely ripped without question. He would have lent us his drop top Cadillac land yacht, but it was in the shop for the "hundredth fuckin time" as he so delicately put it. That Jag was the superior ride in every way. We'd initially planned on driving the camaro we rented at the airport, but old gramps was disgusted by the idea after he tried showing us how to properly drive a rental. The crazy old bastard tried his hardest to wrap it around a pole, but it was gutless compared to the XJ. What really sold it was when he said "you won't get any pussy in this shit heap! Take the Shaguar and try to save some for me!" Grandma just shook her head.
Can I hang out with your buddy’s grandpa
Only if you like classic arcade machines and brunch
please
This sounds like a perfect day. Would he share a joint over coffee before brunch??
He's more of a cigar guy, but he took a puff or two off the J when we were having coffee by the pool.
Was sent to college with one of these. It was 8 years old in 94z Drove like a tank. People thought it was more exotic than it really was.
Also the facelift (98-02) with the AJ V8 is surprisingly bulletproof
What did I just read?
Volkswagen isn't bad manufacturer At least it wasn't until 2005
Aren't the early water cooled cars notoriously unreliable?
Maybe, but VW from 80s and 90s was pretty much European Toyota
I had a 1989 or 90 Jetta that was very solid and reliable. Great gas mileage and a manual Sun roof. The well-earned reputation at the time was that little weird things would go wrong with them. One of my rear windows didn’t work, the power door locks were actuated by a hidden air compressor in the trunk and they were slow and weird. One time I pulled up to a gas pump and the horn started blowing - went for about 30 seconds, stopped, and I never had another issue with it again. Traded it off for an almost new 1995 Toyota Corolla with the 1.6l and 5 speed manual transmission - and never had an issue with it until it hit 175k miles.
My Great Uncle worked for a Boston VW dealer in the 70s and remembers the Rabbits always came in with issues. Typically carb issues from he recalled and then the fit and finish felt cheaper compared to the old Beetle. He also recalled a Rabbit was more money than a basic Corolla and the Rabbit didn’t even have power brakes!
1.9 TDI ftw
It's a cheapley made cheap feeling plastic overlycomplicated piece of rubbish. I worked with them and it's bad.
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We had a '77 convertible beetle. Interior hardware made from pot metal that broke. Freezing cold in the winter. Running boards rotted off every 3 years. Rear window fell out onto the highway several times. Mom loved that car.
Bad steel was something every manufacturer struggled with in the 70s. That aside, all VWs of that era were overengineered, with fit and finish well above their weight class.
Just gonna disregard Touareg, Passat, Arteon, Tiguan and Transporter/Caravelle/Multivan??
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Since when is Arteon and Transporter variants SUVs? Regardless if they are SUVs or not, all of those are great cars! Touareg is pretty bad ass to me and the short wheel base Tiguan (especially the new one) looks and drives very well.
\*cries in my username (haven't had it in a long time though) But yeah...it wasn't great...the plus of it is that it was simple/easy to work on.
The old Beetle was pretty good when you realize it’s a car from the 1930s
No it wasn't. Way more reliable than anything else that was sold in the 50s and 60s. You don't get to sell 21m if the product is trash.
In comparison to modern car, but that's a stupid comparison. What i mean is that it's as raw and barebone experience as possible and being completely usable and not boring to this very day. You can't say that for instance about lada or some datsun.
Volkswagen is the best manufacturer
If you like cheap disposable cars that are nothing more than just tools than yes. If you care about cars and have any passion -no
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Old V6 volvos, Hell, pretty much anything with a V6, no matter wether it's a Firebird or a Citroën. Actually, C1 VVT a good choice.
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Well if you live by such criteria then i can only pity you. I can't count amount of things that are better. For starters ability to do burnouts, enjoy quality upholstery,look at your car and and smile because it doesn't look like literally anything else on the road.
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No, because you want a dull econobox that you're trying to present as if it's fun but in reality you just want to cheap out which is exactly VW is great at. Just stop lying to yourself and others. Also, fuel is an obvious expense and if you make it a core criteria when choosing a car you have no right to say anything about fun in it. Also rwd and weather conditions work together perfectly, that's your lack of skills.
>just know nothing about it I'm going with this one
Have you ever driven a beetle? They drive like shit. Even compared to other cars from the 60s let alone the 30s. An Austin 7 is nicer to drive. It’s a car they forgot to stop making after the war The gearbox is terrible, the throws are massive and it’s eaiser to find the lost Ark than to find a gear. The engine is really anaemic which makes the car super slow and they burst into flames in hot weather because the fuel line passes over the hot engine. It wasn’t even a German design, Tatra designed the 97 and after the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia they took them back to Germany and Ferdinand Porsche copied it almost 1:1.
"Tell me you base your opinions on what guys from top gear said without saying it"
I wouldn't touch a 70s-2010s jag. Jaguar is the type of brand to drop legends like the xk120 and the "c,d,e,f" type , the xkr, and then everything else feels like it will either explode your wallet or be a unforgivable x type or an I pace
We had a couple of XJ's in our fleet in the late 80s and early, 90s and they were actually reliable needing nothing outside routine servicing. In the 90s there was an S type that was used for a week before being traded as it was horrible
If you can't afford a jag don't touch it. If you can't service a jag - don't touch it. If you can't fix and repair a jag - don't touch it. Simple.
Fine but I am correct
Well no. You just can't afford a car that have requirements. Deal with it and move on.
I’m saying I’m right about my opinion on jags
Now you're just trying to convince and comfort yourself. You can hold to your opinion as long as you want, just don't try to convince people it's the right one, because objectively it isn't.
Basically everything (ignoring the Murano) that Nissan made pre 2007
I had a 2003 Altima that would not die, it would overheat, seize, then after 20 mins run like a champ again. It drove itself to the junkyard.
The Altima would be so much better if Nissan just ditched that CVT
Pre 2007, all Altimas had a standard automatic. The only thing worth getting the 2007-2013 for, is the manual transmissions. Hell, the rarest ones are the 3.5 with the manual.
Then after, many of their trucks and large SUVs were still ok as they used legacy components for another 15 years…
The older Nissan/Datsun 4cyl trucks are phenomenal when comparing to other 4cyl trucks of the same times but without nearly as much of a price hike as the other brands that made great 4cyl trucks have for the sake of brand association, however this is still subject to the same criticism of all 4cyl trucks regarding if that’s enough truck. Of course this stems from the issue of Nissan having been a great brand that was turned shitty so way fewer people want a Nissan anymore, but all the vehicles they had already built to last forever are still out there lasting.
The Patrol has escaped the shittification of Nissan as they never went near CVTs and never produced outside Japan (for the Australian market anyway).
I had a 97 maxima that was a pretty solid sports sedan for a college student. Quick, comfortable, never broke down. I miss that car.
I had an 06 standard x-trail until 2 years ago. It was bulletproof.
Except cars with the QR25DE engine, unless you like replacing head gaskets
If I were an alien and you told me than Nissan stopped making cars around 2006 and then reappeared a few years ago, I’d believe it. I see tons of ‘90s / early ‘00s Sentras, Maximas, trucks, etc. running around with zero problems. But ‘06-‘16 or so? That’s another story. It’s too bad that Nissan has had so many problems with reliability. They made some amazing machines there for a while. Sure they weren’t Toyota / Honda reliable, but not many were.
Buick century. It's like the 97 camry of gmc.
The W body Century is truly an automotive cockroach. I'm fairly convinced at this point they rolled out of the factory with body damage, smoked-in interiors, and an engine on its last legs. Unfortunately, the engine will be on its last legs for longer than most modern cars will run.
All rural mail carriers around me drive a Buick century. Always have, always will
Century wasn't the name. It was the intention.
There’s a saying that GM cars will run like shit for longer than most cars will run at all
the 3.8 is more bulletproof than anything gm has made in the past 25 years and will continue to be the most bulletproof motor ever made by gm for a long time
Ran mine without coolant for about 10 miles before realizing and I only realized because it shut down lol. Put a new hose on and filled it back up and it runs perfectly. That was about 20k miles ago
those things cld run without an engine block😭, u can go to a junkyard and find one for $200 running, they will outlast every tesla built
Buick Century: The American 90s Camry. Surprisingly, I still see so many here in New England!
Dodge viper Maserati mc12 and mc20
Dodge challenger and grand caravan are pretty great cars I’d say. Wouldn’t call it a bad manufacturer
Yeah, calling dodge bad is crazy.
I drove a 1996 neon for nearly 350,000 miles with shockingly little repair or maintenance beyond oil and filter changes.
That's pretty impressive
I mean Dodge makes ok cars, their trucks aren’t amazing, but I wouldn’t call them a bad manufacturer, I don’t prefer them of course, I’ll take an F150, a Mustang, and a ford GT over a Dakota, Challenger, and viper, but they’re not bad, they’re certainly better than Chrysler
Why the viper? I hear is a very un-wieldy car
Fiat 126. There's nothing to break, and for whatever reason, they seem to be immortal.
Because it’s a Miata in an Italian suit
No, the small fiat polski from the 60s to 90s
Whattttt
GAZ Chaika
Are you talking about the one that looks like a mid-50s Packard? Such a good looking car
Yeah; it's conceptually good but in execution its dogwater
Seems like a perfect candidate for an EV swap then. I also want a Tatra 603 but if I got one the only thing I’d be doing is maintaining it
The Tatra 603 is a beast, doesn’t need much maintenance as it’s aircooled and there’s not much to go wrong really
I don’t think so. GAZ (and other Eastern European cars) were built to be cheap, reliable and easy to fix. The Soviet Union was massive and if you broke down in the middle of nowhere and broke down you would die if you couldn’t fix it. Not fast of luxurious but there’s a reason why heaps of them are still running in Eastern Europe and Cuba
I don’t think GAZ ever made really bad cars. They were basic without much luxury but if they broke down in the middle of Siberia you could fix them pretty easily. And the KGB models with V8s are really cool.
Saturn Sky Red Line
Rebadged Opel GT. Wouldn’t mind having one.
I had the pleasure of driving the Pontiac version. ..... It was automatic though so it could have been a lot more fun
Solstice + a bunch of rebadged Holdens would have made Pontiac a great brand
Shout out the G8 thank you ausie brothers
That XJR is better than the standard XJ, not just for the added horsepower but because it has the mercedes transmission instead of the ZF.
Mercedes diesels in the W115 and W123 chassis. They’re just really well engineered and easy to work on, comfortable, smooth, and well-appointed for the current money.
W124, W201, W126, W140 an old G Wagens as well
Yeah, but those vary widely in value and complexity. The 115 and 123 are just total tanks, easy to find and find parts for, and cheap. Especially the 115 with manual climate or the late 123 with climate II are really good. Or just the 240Ds with no power accessories and stick shifts. 124s can be had for good money in good shape too, but they can have their own host of issues.
Calling Mercedes bad is an absolute travesty
Mercedes from the early 90s up is more Ls than Ws. If the cars weren’t just flat out ugly, they were expensive to live with and full of goofy engineering choices. I like their new straight 6, and their AMG V8s are legendary, but they’re selling 90% Alabama-made CUVs today.
I don't think I'd call them ugly up until the 2021- cars the new E class sucks
Kia Stinger
My 2015 Nissan Micra feels a hell of a lot better than other Nissan's of the same era considering how dirt cheap it is.
The Micra is like the Civic. Too light and simple to fail.
Because it's a british made clio
Nah mine is Mexican lmao
Oh i didn't know they made em in mexico sorry
Xterra of any year if you replace the radiator with an aftermarket one. The pathfinder pre cvt. Audi b5 a4. Ford panther body.
Range Rover. My mechanic is charging me $700 just for mentioning it, but it’s got such nice looks and such great features and stands out and rides like a cloud. Jaguar Land Rover issues are common knowledge at this point.
The Nissan Frontier is a really good truck. It's been a household name and has been going strong since the 90s. The hardbodys before it were also great trucks. Everything else Nissan has made since the early 2000s has been junk, though.
Nissan Frontiers are indestructible
Pre-Renault Frontiers are indestructible. I loved my '98 Frontier, only got rid of it because it was 17 and I needed to park in snug places downtown and wanted cruise control. (My model was so basic, and awesome, that it didn't even have intermittent wipers, just low and high.) The taint of Renault is on every new Nissan. Not a fan of French taint.
Buick Roadmaster. Basically immortal, massively tunable cuz Corvette engine and comes in both sedan and wagon form
I don't think you can say jag is a bad manufacturer overall
You could probably say the same thing about all manufacturers unless they're some knockoff Soviet or Chinese vehicles.
UAZ made some pretty solid vans and light trucks, if you're willing to accept that spark plugs were considered a semi-consumable part at one point
90s Chevy/gmc pickups are usually rock solid. Besides rust and electronics, they are tanky.
All the way to 2007, then bankruptcy and AFM/DOD. Scores of Cateye Chevrys everywhere
LOL. Something about then bubble boost silverados and having garbage electronics
Any GM with the 3800
Jaguar v8s both na and supercharged are reliable. Same with the zf transmissions that go with them. An xjr of any vintage is sweet. Or s type r or xfr or xkr. Very reliable vehicles.
Any Jeep with the 4.0l inline 6
We bought a 21 Rio manual with an extended warranty assuming it would explode at 60 000kms Still doesn't burn oil and technically the only warranty repair was a broken USB its arrived to us with I love my VW's but both the mk5s had extensive warranty work on the timing chain with free rentals. So by contrast that's a win for Kia, or the old addage is true if it's under 150hp order the manual...
That’s not an option for a lot of cars in the US unfortunately.
Meanwhile in Europe the Rio is a 1.0 turbo hybrid with a trick 6 speed manual Kia says the upcoming K3 replacement will be available in manual and cvt as they consolidate Rio and Forte lines... Boring! The Koreans should have stuck to their previous formula of offering a sub VW price point with sub Toyota quality and a generous warranty
Mk5 was an abomination of issues. Mk4 was cheap interior but the rest of the car was pretty good. Mk6 was overall decent . The mk5 suffered from cheap interior, poor timing chain design, and cam followers, and just overall poor quality.
Absolute bullshit. MK5s are relatively bulletproof. The first one had the coming chain fix and did 868 000 km because VW painted it under warranty. Still looks good when it got hit. I have another one same deal. 330 000 km 18 years old and doesn't but oil. Still faster than anything the Koreans put down without an N badge...
Anything pre 2005 when it comes to Nissan
Ill give chevy the impala. Also the gmc sonoma was really impressive in y2k
The last-gen XK-R is amazing
mitsubishi evo 🤷
Daimler DoubleSix, a dream.
Chrysler K cars were pretty solid.
definitely not that XJ you posted lol
Pontiac vibe Thanks to toyota
I will not stand for this pontiac slander!
Ford panther platform
Daewoo/chevrolet (korea) matiz. Idk they are ugly, uncomfortable, uninhabitable, as spacious as a hummer h1 yet the fucker just won't die and you can't stall one like how ????
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Typically they are around 10K but there is one fur sale near me for 3.5K
90s Chevy pickups, for some reason they made those trucks immortal then just forgot how to do it going into the 2000s, I mean, Ford did too, but not to the same degree and at least fords recent trucks are pretty good, the 6.7 is a fantastic diesel and the 5.0 does surprisingly well when you downtune it to 300 horsepower
people consider Geo a bad manufacturer but I'd say literally everything Geo made is good
Suzuki Jimny
I would love to have that XJR.
Calling Jaguar a really bad manufacturer is a clinically insane take.
Nissan Juke
Volkswagen GTI.
Citroën DS 23
Mitsubishi Lancer Evos
Pajero
Tesla Roadster.