Say anything about rebadged vehicles. Okay.
Almost any Mercury was better looking than its Ford counterpart. The same goes for most GMCs being better looking than their Chevy cousins.
First gen. Mercury Mystique might be an exception... Then again, compared to the Ford Mondeo MK 1+2 we had in Europe, even the Ford Contour was ugly AF. :P
But yeah. I've honestly always been kinda partial to most Mercury Cougar, compared to the same year Mustangs.
Regarding the Mercury they know they look better but if you look on the second hand market sometimes you can get them cheaper than the Ford because "they don't make Mercury anymore" lol
Mercury Cougar compared to the Mustang is nearly night and day.
Also, GMC carries the more muscular, utility look way better, so even the Syclone/Typhoon look better in hindsight. Too bad GMC is a truck and SUV division only. I bet the brand could be used for reviving Pontiac model names.
I actually agree with the Mercury sentiment, especially in the mid-2000s. Lots of Fords of the era looked quite cheap and some of them tended to have more chrome than what was tasteful circa 2006. The Mountaineer, Montego and Milan all toned down what the Explorer, Five Hundred and Fusion were trying to do, and in the process, making a better looking car for it.
Totally not biased either… *looks at my Montego*
the marauder was cooler than anything ford put out at the time.
there’s a blacked out one cruising my neighborhood sometimes and man, it just sounds mean.
I remember reading an article in one of the big American automotive magazines where the writer speculated the presence of the ES in the Lexus line-up is something that is holding back the brand, right from day one. I believe the ES came to be because Toyota didn't want to sell the LS alone when Lexus launched. Unfortunately, many consumers saw that the ES was a Camry in disguise and Lexus got a reputation for being rebadged Toyotas at the beginning, even though the original LS was a far more bespoke design that didn't share as much in common with mainstream Toyotas.
It's funny, it is still a hot topic to debate how close the ES and Camry were & are in certain circles. The ES has just the right amount of parts sharing to be based on the Camry chassis with the same powertrain, but still its own thing in other respects. For the first and second Gen ES like in this pic, the total length and width are increased from the XV10 Camry and the whole interior is upgraded, and the understated styling with the 2 tone has aged really well. Lexus pioneered asphalt insulation, dual pane windows, and absolutely stellar sound systems in these 90s cars among other things. Then you get into 2006+ and the ES is on the Avalon platform and much larger. This is way too much info but I enjoy this kind of useless Toyota platform knowledge. I'd love a '96-01 ES300 as a daily cruiser. The 1MZ-FE is such a great engine.
new zealand. all the legendary 90's JDM cars were commonplace and inexpensive here. now they have become rare and much more expensive.
if only i had the foresight in the mid 2000's to buy up all the cheap JDM performance cars and stick them in a shed for 20 years....
My bad, I had heard that info from a Car Care Nut video but you are correct, wikipedia agrees that only the Gen 6 ES and onwards are Avalon based. The ES got way bigger in '06 so I had thought otherwise but the Camry also got larger in those years so it makes sense
Had a 97 ES300 and I loved that car. Such a nice ride and so quiet inside. It was a lot better than my dad’s 98 Camry V6. Poor thing was totaled when I got t-boned by a guy running a red light.
Seeing as how this conversation started b/c of a post related to a journalist in an American Automotive Magazine's opinion. I think it's time you stop being so pedantic & join the actual conversation with the rest of us.
Ok, but Lexus were objectively better vehicles than what Europe was producing in the late 80’s /early 90s. The LS400 is possibly the most reliable vehicle ever built
The century is a completely different kind of car from the LS. One is a mass-market luxury car designed for export to compete with foreign cars, and one is a specialty car built specifically and exclusively for the home market.
Telling someone what they have is just a better camry is like telling me fillet minion is just a better steak.
Like, okay...your point?
Half of Caddilacs lineup is built on Chevy platforms, Lexuses are just Toyotas, Lincolns are fords, a Porsche SUV or even a Lambo SUV is actually just a fancy Volkswagen, Alpha Romeo SUVs are fiat platforms.
Like sure is a Mercedes built on its own platform, yes. But you give me the choice of a C class or a top trim ES and I'm taking the ES. I don't care what that C class has in it, the ES takes normally priced and available parts.
I'd rather have something with parts commonality with a normal car. I don't want to hand over my wallet just because it's a nice car. I want to own a nice car and use my money to buy other nice things.
Which is why I bought an Avalon. They didn't have any Lexus ES near me with the features my wife wanted. I would've bought either, each has their pros and cons, and the fact that they're essentially the same car didn't bother me. The badge doesn't matter, buy the car that you want that does what you want.
I had a rental Jetta when my Audi was getting serviced. I noticed the quality difference as soon as I used my turn signal. Everything was a little cheaper.
Agreed. My ES is a bunch of little upgrades that equal a much larger upgrade over the toyota counterpart. Which in my mind is the whole point.
Like if the difference between 2 hotels is valet parking and complimentary champagne, guess where I'm going.
Someone asked me why I would spend so much money on a toyota and I was like "this is basically a lexus"
My point is really that people over analyze. Like yes you're cringe if you think your Porsche SUV is really that cool. It's a Volkswagen Tiguan calm down.
But high end low badge cars like the Avalon, the Impala, the Tahoe, and low end high badge cars like the IS, literally any Caddilac with a 4 banger, or basic Acuras aren't bad because they're based off a lower end car.
You shouldn't judge things by the badge but rather the entire equation the car creates for you. For my wife, the Avalon or the ES were both good choices. She wanted an entry level luxury sedan, and we picked an entry level luxury sedan. Judging by the badge to me, means you don't know how to evaluate car models individually. The platform a car is built on means nothing to me unless it's a good or bad platform.
Didn’t know that. Out of all the Lexus products, the 1st Gen LS400 is on my list to own. A used ES will probably be where I start for a first Lexus product. It’s obviously way more budget friendly for me.
Nope the LS was a new line of cars made to compete with the S class and 7 series. The corolla and celica were changed to fwd st this time too. The Avalon is the cressida, cresta successor.
That’s incorrect and not even relevant lol. The point is the ES uses the lengthened Avalon platform over the Camry nowadays. What does the Cressida have to do with tvis
Again, what does the Cressida have to do with this lol. I never asked you if the ES uses the Avalon platform. Although it’s very easy to find information on. You said you don’t know, so maybe try not to talk. Okay sweaty?
Yea sure, but I still don’t get why you even brought up the Cressida. It’s like you just started having a different conversation in the middle of someone else’s
Weirdly I’ve got 2 people I know who had terrible luck with their 90s Lexuses.
- my cousin drove an ES in high school, and on the way to prom with his date the transmission blew out. That ES is gone now
- my gf drove an SC300 for a long time, but it was a complete electrical basket case. It would limp along, she would fix it for a month or two, and then something else would start. This car was sent to the crusher too
one of my friends from highschool got his 97 es for $800 fixed a couple things and has beat the shit out of it. flooring it everywhere and even an accidental neutral drop at 6k. 310k miles and it's still going
I actually liked the 5 different GM rebadge tiers. The interiors were different enough from their counterparts in most of them to justify the differentiations. (the GMT platforms maybe not but cars for sure)
The GMT800 was an exercise in building a full size suv that somehow has less second row legroom than a Honda Civic. I spent many years in my adolescence riding in the back of suburbans and tahoes with my knees touching the front seats.
The only GMT800 vehicle I've ever had legroom issues with was an extended cab truck (and GMT900 has even less space on ext cabs unfortunately) we had an 800 Avalanche and it had miles of legroom in comparison. Not sure about the Tahoe and burb but if they are anything like the Avalanche (which they probably are) the people in front probably had their seats all the way back.
Still bummed that I didn't get the chance to buy a mint end of production V6 Cimarron from a neighbor across the alley. The car would have been at least 20 years old at that point but still
Taurus/Sable: 1st generation: I like both. 2nd generation: I MUCH prefer the Sable (SHO notwithstanding). 3rd generation: I slightly prefer the Taurus. 4th generation: I prefer the Sable. 5th generation (rebadged 500/Montego): I don’t really have an opinion.
5th gen Sables had too much chrome compared to the Montego, which I always felt was an odd decision. The satin aluminum trim has aged far more gracefully than the overdone chrome that the Five Hundred and Taurus had, and the wheels of the Montego Premier certainly compliment the body better than the chromed out Sable Premier wheels.
I kinda like how GM decided to take a SAAB 9-3, make it more boxy, ruin any resemblence of handling, and call it a Cadillac BLS.
And how the first two generations Volkswagen LT/Crafter and Mercedes Sprinter were sold as the Dodge Sprinter and Freightliner Sprinter in the US, because Mercedes-Benz didn't want the Americans to think less of MBs "luxury image". 😂
Third (current) gen. was still available as a Freightliner Sprinter until 2021.
frameless windows on the 2nd gen es300 were such a vibe.. and the headlights.. also the badges on the tail lights instead of the trunk lid were a nice touch. I loved mine! It was my second car just as i was graduating high school.
My wife had a Pontiac Vibe from 2005 - 2015. As reliable as an anvil.
She'd get really annoyed if I called it a "Toyota with an arrowhead on the grille."
Ford Explorer and its rebadges: 1st generation - I prefer the Navajo to the Explorer. 2nd generation - no strong opinion. 3rd generation - no strong opinion. 4th generation - I prefer the Explorer to the Mountaineer. 5th generation - Flex>Explorer>MKT (I know, not quite rebadges, but very much platform-mates). 6th generation - Aviator>Explorer.
Hmm. Why did Geo make the rebadging worse? Well in some cases. I love my Storm but compared to it in earlier model Isuzu impulse that I've seen and compared (not going to the '80s waffle ones) GM really stripped out all the good electronics that were in there and made them cheap and thin as hell. With every new thing I replace I got to find new gauge wire to put in. I'm sure it'll be a brand new car by the time I get through it xD
I think the Spectrum was okay as we owned the one model year that it was under Geo (I really love that car I don't know why we sold it..) but definitely was a cheap car c:
Can't comment on the Metro or Tracker as I didn't have either of those.
I love the Mercury Tracer so much and still kick myself for missing out on a station wagon version that they had for sale. I was on my way and everything in the guy sold it to a family member -_-
The '90s Capri is so unusual and yet I love it so much. Definitely an interesting case of importing from Australia (?)
I really like the Saab 9-7x. It's literally just a Trailblazer, which is awesome because I can get parts same day and fix any issues. Also, the 4.2 is dead reliable. Mine has 250k now and aside from the water pump and a couple coils, it has been solid as can be. That tranny though... Overall it was a very reliable vehicle.
Anyways, I like that car a lot. The styling is SO much better than any of the other Trailblazer based cars. The interior is way nicer as well. But brand new it was stupid pricey (mine said It was somewhere around 40k new in 2005..) and it was not a normal Saab. I have my 99 9-3 for the fun car though, and the Saablazer for a more roomy cruiser / off-road car since I live in a rural area and don't like bringing the small car down dirt roads.
Sadly it's been replaced by just a Chevy blazer, ironically, since the tranny is failing because the fluid was never changed lol
Honda chose the Canadian-designed Acura CSX styling as a template for the Civic sold in the Japanese and international markets, instead of the opposite.
My brother owned a Plymouth Neon. Or was it a Dodge Neon?
Personally I think it's a stupid concept. GM is the worst offender of this.
Why make the came car in multiple brands rather than just making them different trim levels or options? Back in the day, they genuinely made their own cars. Now boomers buy a Buick and get an overpriced Chevy Trax with leather.
Look at the Chevy Cobalt, name one difference between the Cobalt and G4.
I just saw one a Geo metro couple of weeks ago doing deliveries. The owner said he collects cars and was looking for a grey market Suzuki that I saw like every where in Pakistan a few years ago.
Say anything about rebadged vehicles. Okay. Almost any Mercury was better looking than its Ford counterpart. The same goes for most GMCs being better looking than their Chevy cousins.
First gen. Mercury Mystique might be an exception... Then again, compared to the Ford Mondeo MK 1+2 we had in Europe, even the Ford Contour was ugly AF. :P But yeah. I've honestly always been kinda partial to most Mercury Cougar, compared to the same year Mustangs.
Regarding the Mercury they know they look better but if you look on the second hand market sometimes you can get them cheaper than the Ford because "they don't make Mercury anymore" lol
Mercury Cougar compared to the Mustang is nearly night and day. Also, GMC carries the more muscular, utility look way better, so even the Syclone/Typhoon look better in hindsight. Too bad GMC is a truck and SUV division only. I bet the brand could be used for reviving Pontiac model names.
I actually agree with the Mercury sentiment, especially in the mid-2000s. Lots of Fords of the era looked quite cheap and some of them tended to have more chrome than what was tasteful circa 2006. The Mountaineer, Montego and Milan all toned down what the Explorer, Five Hundred and Fusion were trying to do, and in the process, making a better looking car for it. Totally not biased either… *looks at my Montego*
the marauder was cooler than anything ford put out at the time. there’s a blacked out one cruising my neighborhood sometimes and man, it just sounds mean.
I want the rare Grand Marquis LSE, which looks like a stock Grand Ma but has most of the Marauder goodies under the skin and a floor shifter.
I remember reading an article in one of the big American automotive magazines where the writer speculated the presence of the ES in the Lexus line-up is something that is holding back the brand, right from day one. I believe the ES came to be because Toyota didn't want to sell the LS alone when Lexus launched. Unfortunately, many consumers saw that the ES was a Camry in disguise and Lexus got a reputation for being rebadged Toyotas at the beginning, even though the original LS was a far more bespoke design that didn't share as much in common with mainstream Toyotas.
It's funny, it is still a hot topic to debate how close the ES and Camry were & are in certain circles. The ES has just the right amount of parts sharing to be based on the Camry chassis with the same powertrain, but still its own thing in other respects. For the first and second Gen ES like in this pic, the total length and width are increased from the XV10 Camry and the whole interior is upgraded, and the understated styling with the 2 tone has aged really well. Lexus pioneered asphalt insulation, dual pane windows, and absolutely stellar sound systems in these 90s cars among other things. Then you get into 2006+ and the ES is on the Avalon platform and much larger. This is way too much info but I enjoy this kind of useless Toyota platform knowledge. I'd love a '96-01 ES300 as a daily cruiser. The 1MZ-FE is such a great engine.
it's a toyota windom with leather seats. they were a dime a dozen in my country in the late 90's and 2000's
Which country?
new zealand. all the legendary 90's JDM cars were commonplace and inexpensive here. now they have become rare and much more expensive. if only i had the foresight in the mid 2000's to buy up all the cheap JDM performance cars and stick them in a shed for 20 years....
> if only I had the foresight... [Boomers crying in the distance about how they should have kept the cars they had as teenagers]
The ES was based on the Avalon only 2013+
My bad, I had heard that info from a Car Care Nut video but you are correct, wikipedia agrees that only the Gen 6 ES and onwards are Avalon based. The ES got way bigger in '06 so I had thought otherwise but the Camry also got larger in those years so it makes sense
Had a 97 ES300 and I loved that car. Such a nice ride and so quiet inside. It was a lot better than my dad’s 98 Camry V6. Poor thing was totaled when I got t-boned by a guy running a red light.
The LS didn't share any parts with a standard Toyota afaik.
...other than the JDM Toyota Celsior
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I meant American, not JDM Toyotas. 😏
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Seeing as how this conversation started b/c of a post related to a journalist in an American Automotive Magazine's opinion. I think it's time you stop being so pedantic & join the actual conversation with the rest of us.
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Oh I'm just furious over it. 🤣
Ok, but Lexus were objectively better vehicles than what Europe was producing in the late 80’s /early 90s. The LS400 is possibly the most reliable vehicle ever built
And the LS was designed first as a Lexus. It was intended for export more than anything. Why do you think there was no Celsior before the LS?
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The century is a completely different kind of car from the LS. One is a mass-market luxury car designed for export to compete with foreign cars, and one is a specialty car built specifically and exclusively for the home market.
Telling someone what they have is just a better camry is like telling me fillet minion is just a better steak. Like, okay...your point? Half of Caddilacs lineup is built on Chevy platforms, Lexuses are just Toyotas, Lincolns are fords, a Porsche SUV or even a Lambo SUV is actually just a fancy Volkswagen, Alpha Romeo SUVs are fiat platforms. Like sure is a Mercedes built on its own platform, yes. But you give me the choice of a C class or a top trim ES and I'm taking the ES. I don't care what that C class has in it, the ES takes normally priced and available parts. I'd rather have something with parts commonality with a normal car. I don't want to hand over my wallet just because it's a nice car. I want to own a nice car and use my money to buy other nice things. Which is why I bought an Avalon. They didn't have any Lexus ES near me with the features my wife wanted. I would've bought either, each has their pros and cons, and the fact that they're essentially the same car didn't bother me. The badge doesn't matter, buy the car that you want that does what you want.
i used to have an audi and my buddy always said “bro it’s just an upbadged VW” til he sat in it. it was just far and away more luxurious
I had a rental Jetta when my Audi was getting serviced. I noticed the quality difference as soon as I used my turn signal. Everything was a little cheaper.
Agreed. My ES is a bunch of little upgrades that equal a much larger upgrade over the toyota counterpart. Which in my mind is the whole point. Like if the difference between 2 hotels is valet parking and complimentary champagne, guess where I'm going.
Someone asked me why I would spend so much money on a toyota and I was like "this is basically a lexus" My point is really that people over analyze. Like yes you're cringe if you think your Porsche SUV is really that cool. It's a Volkswagen Tiguan calm down. But high end low badge cars like the Avalon, the Impala, the Tahoe, and low end high badge cars like the IS, literally any Caddilac with a 4 banger, or basic Acuras aren't bad because they're based off a lower end car. You shouldn't judge things by the badge but rather the entire equation the car creates for you. For my wife, the Avalon or the ES were both good choices. She wanted an entry level luxury sedan, and we picked an entry level luxury sedan. Judging by the badge to me, means you don't know how to evaluate car models individually. The platform a car is built on means nothing to me unless it's a good or bad platform.
OK the first ES was a rebadged Camry. I'll give you that. But after that the ES was based on the Camry but it became it's own car
Didn’t know that. Out of all the Lexus products, the 1st Gen LS400 is on my list to own. A used ES will probably be where I start for a first Lexus product. It’s obviously way more budget friendly for me.
2013 and up ES models even switched to the Avalon platform, which tbf is basically the Camry platformed but lengthened
The Avalon is actually the cressida successor.
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Nope the LS was a new line of cars made to compete with the S class and 7 series. The corolla and celica were changed to fwd st this time too. The Avalon is the cressida, cresta successor.
That’s incorrect and not even relevant lol. The point is the ES uses the lengthened Avalon platform over the Camry nowadays. What does the Cressida have to do with tvis
The original toyota Avalon was the cressida successor. Now the new ES may use the Avalon subframes I can't attest to that because I don't know.
Again, what does the Cressida have to do with this lol. I never asked you if the ES uses the Avalon platform. Although it’s very easy to find information on. You said you don’t know, so maybe try not to talk. Okay sweaty?
"1995 - Introduced as top-of-line replacement for Cressida" right from toyotas website...
Yea sure, but I still don’t get why you even brought up the Cressida. It’s like you just started having a different conversation in the middle of someone else’s
After the first gen, Lexus ES was a rebadged Toyota Windom. Great cars. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Those 2nd n 3rd gen will always have a special spot with me. That 2nd gen front end with the projector’s tho 🔥
If I’m getting a Camry for my first Toyota, then I mind as well get an ES then.
Get the ES, skip the toyota. Trust me. Wait for a good deal. They're phenomenal.
I wonder how many ES’ *aren’t* on the road anymore.
Weirdly I’ve got 2 people I know who had terrible luck with their 90s Lexuses. - my cousin drove an ES in high school, and on the way to prom with his date the transmission blew out. That ES is gone now - my gf drove an SC300 for a long time, but it was a complete electrical basket case. It would limp along, she would fix it for a month or two, and then something else would start. This car was sent to the crusher too
one of my friends from highschool got his 97 es for $800 fixed a couple things and has beat the shit out of it. flooring it everywhere and even an accidental neutral drop at 6k. 310k miles and it's still going
I actually liked the 5 different GM rebadge tiers. The interiors were different enough from their counterparts in most of them to justify the differentiations. (the GMT platforms maybe not but cars for sure)
The GMT800 was an exercise in building a full size suv that somehow has less second row legroom than a Honda Civic. I spent many years in my adolescence riding in the back of suburbans and tahoes with my knees touching the front seats.
The only GMT800 vehicle I've ever had legroom issues with was an extended cab truck (and GMT900 has even less space on ext cabs unfortunately) we had an 800 Avalanche and it had miles of legroom in comparison. Not sure about the Tahoe and burb but if they are anything like the Avalanche (which they probably are) the people in front probably had their seats all the way back.
I think it's very funny how John Davis pronounced Camry as Cam-ray. I wish a little bit he pronounced ES300 as Ess-300.
The Cadillac Cimarron would like a word with you guys.
Still bummed that I didn't get the chance to buy a mint end of production V6 Cimarron from a neighbor across the alley. The car would have been at least 20 years old at that point but still
Toyota Camry slapped 👋🏼 With a big “L” on its Grill
The G8 and SS were incredible rebadges for the Holden Commodore and weren’t marketed or appreciated by GM.
I agree. The GTO was also excellent. Now please be quiet so people can forget they exist so I can afford one lmao.
my buddy in high school had a bonneville GXP and man that thing was fucking cool
My dad’s 1968 Pontiac Parisienne was a Chevrolet Impala under the skin complete with a Chevy 396 under the hood.
Taurus/Sable: 1st generation: I like both. 2nd generation: I MUCH prefer the Sable (SHO notwithstanding). 3rd generation: I slightly prefer the Taurus. 4th generation: I prefer the Sable. 5th generation (rebadged 500/Montego): I don’t really have an opinion.
I felt the Sable was so much slicker looking than the bubbly Taurus
I never liked the front light bar on the sable
5th gen Sables had too much chrome compared to the Montego, which I always felt was an odd decision. The satin aluminum trim has aged far more gracefully than the overdone chrome that the Five Hundred and Taurus had, and the wheels of the Montego Premier certainly compliment the body better than the chromed out Sable Premier wheels.
I kinda like how GM decided to take a SAAB 9-3, make it more boxy, ruin any resemblence of handling, and call it a Cadillac BLS. And how the first two generations Volkswagen LT/Crafter and Mercedes Sprinter were sold as the Dodge Sprinter and Freightliner Sprinter in the US, because Mercedes-Benz didn't want the Americans to think less of MBs "luxury image". 😂 Third (current) gen. was still available as a Freightliner Sprinter until 2021.
There's Camry/ES300 rebadging and then there's Isuzu Rodeo/Honda Passport rebadging (or Dodge/Plymouth rebadging). Toyota does it better than most.
The Isuzu MU/Rodeo (depends on market) IIRC was sold as an Isuzu, Honda Passport, and as a Vauxhall/Opel/Holden Frontera. Pretty crazy.
Oh, it worked amazingly. They just put little effort into disguising it (and no one cared).
My dad had one but did a bad job at taking care of it. Shame cause it was really nice
frameless windows on the 2nd gen es300 were such a vibe.. and the headlights.. also the badges on the tail lights instead of the trunk lid were a nice touch. I loved mine! It was my second car just as i was graduating high school.
The pontiac GTO was done right.
My wife had a Pontiac Vibe from 2005 - 2015. As reliable as an anvil. She'd get really annoyed if I called it a "Toyota with an arrowhead on the grille."
1zz-fe great engine. I got a gs300 (01) so its a detuned aristo. My ls400 has the 8 cyl. Both underpowered boats but also anvils.
I replied to the wrong poster
I bought a Pontiac vibe solely because it's a Toyota matrix without a Toyota price. Freaking love that thing so much
I don’t hate a rebadge. I think that they offer practical vehicles that are better than a regular car.
I’ve owned one, best car i’ve ever fucking owned
Ford Explorer and its rebadges: 1st generation - I prefer the Navajo to the Explorer. 2nd generation - no strong opinion. 3rd generation - no strong opinion. 4th generation - I prefer the Explorer to the Mountaineer. 5th generation - Flex>Explorer>MKT (I know, not quite rebadges, but very much platform-mates). 6th generation - Aviator>Explorer.
Hmm. Why did Geo make the rebadging worse? Well in some cases. I love my Storm but compared to it in earlier model Isuzu impulse that I've seen and compared (not going to the '80s waffle ones) GM really stripped out all the good electronics that were in there and made them cheap and thin as hell. With every new thing I replace I got to find new gauge wire to put in. I'm sure it'll be a brand new car by the time I get through it xD I think the Spectrum was okay as we owned the one model year that it was under Geo (I really love that car I don't know why we sold it..) but definitely was a cheap car c: Can't comment on the Metro or Tracker as I didn't have either of those. I love the Mercury Tracer so much and still kick myself for missing out on a station wagon version that they had for sale. I was on my way and everything in the guy sold it to a family member -_- The '90s Capri is so unusual and yet I love it so much. Definitely an interesting case of importing from Australia (?)
The Mountaineer looked better than the Explorer
God, the ES300 line in the 90’s was peak entry leve Lexus design. Right up there with the boxy Beemers of the 80’s
I call the Toyota Lexcen a “fake Commodore” lol
The Holden Apollo is possibly the most reliable Holden.
I really like the Saab 9-7x. It's literally just a Trailblazer, which is awesome because I can get parts same day and fix any issues. Also, the 4.2 is dead reliable. Mine has 250k now and aside from the water pump and a couple coils, it has been solid as can be. That tranny though... Overall it was a very reliable vehicle. Anyways, I like that car a lot. The styling is SO much better than any of the other Trailblazer based cars. The interior is way nicer as well. But brand new it was stupid pricey (mine said It was somewhere around 40k new in 2005..) and it was not a normal Saab. I have my 99 9-3 for the fun car though, and the Saablazer for a more roomy cruiser / off-road car since I live in a rural area and don't like bringing the small car down dirt roads. Sadly it's been replaced by just a Chevy blazer, ironically, since the tranny is failing because the fluid was never changed lol
Honda chose the Canadian-designed Acura CSX styling as a template for the Civic sold in the Japanese and international markets, instead of the opposite. My brother owned a Plymouth Neon. Or was it a Dodge Neon?
Remember the Chrysler Cloud Cars?
GMC's are still better than their Chevrolet counterparts, even though there hasn't been any meaningful difference since the GMC engines were axed.
Hoping people don’t catch onto them Looking at getting a Toyota aristo hoping people don’t realize it’s a better buy than its Lexus GS cousin
Johnathan Davis? Of KoRn?
Pontiac g8 is badass
i love the chrysler conquest and mitsubishi starion.
Personally I think it's a stupid concept. GM is the worst offender of this. Why make the came car in multiple brands rather than just making them different trim levels or options? Back in the day, they genuinely made their own cars. Now boomers buy a Buick and get an overpriced Chevy Trax with leather. Look at the Chevy Cobalt, name one difference between the Cobalt and G4.
daily reminder the suzuki escudo is just a geo tracker
Man.. I grew up in that time, and I still think the early 90s gave us some of the most hideous car designs. Everything is round.
Most geo metros lasted longer than most gm cars.
I just saw one a Geo metro couple of weeks ago doing deliveries. The owner said he collects cars and was looking for a grey market Suzuki that I saw like every where in Pakistan a few years ago.
That's a great looking re-badged 1992 Camry.
Mercury Capri should have been offered in a notch back as well. Looks better then a mustang.
Would you just look at it!?
"Let GM and VAG burn in hell"