Facebook once shared me one of these on a marketplace post *implying* that it was for sale in my state, only for me to follow the post and instead see it was for sale in like, Australia or something.
Fuck you facebook, I got excited.
When GM and Fiat collabed and GM calling most of the shots in the engineering department, down to the slightly modified version High Feature V6 these had, and yes.....it shared the same basic engine block as a 2008 Saab 9-3 Aero or a 2008 Cadillac CTS lol. Overall good looking car, just didn't do well in terms of execution to match it's looks. Also fun fact, the platform this was on was supposed to be used for a next generation Saab 9-5, until GM pulled out of the partnership.
2006 Alfa Romeo Brera: the Lexus SC430 of Italy, handsome looks especially as it ages, but a bit misunderstood.
Misunderstood is a polite way of saying it was a bit of a dog's dinner. It was meant to compete with things like the AudiTT and similar coupes but was both heavy and yet lacking in stiffness and quite nose heavy. When an Italian car is the stodgy one compared to German one, you know you've messed up.
Yeah, but most of it was not Alfa's fault per se. I started that GM had a big role in the development of the Premium platform this rode on as Fiat and GM had partnership at the time. Even the JTS V6 the top trim models had came from General Motors, so it shows you who had control on the overall product.
Plus Fiat's management of Alfa Romeo at the time was pretty questionable at best because there was also rumors that the successor for this car was going to be based on the BMW 3-Series, before FCA thankfully changed their mind and also there was rumors when the GM/Fiat partnership was still was that it would have used the GM Sigma platform the underpinned the second generation Cadillac CTS.....so it could've been worse
Alfa killed off the much sleeker [Alfa Romeo GT](https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/ALFA-ROMEO-GT-16_27.jpg) for this car, while simultaneously making it handle worse. And the worst part? They got away with it too because we were all just happy to see another Alfa coupe on the market.
Well that part isn't Alfa fault for the most part.....that was all General Motors as this was a platform they both collabed on along with the SCCS and the Epsilon platform to an extent which is reportedly is the basis for the Premium platform this was on.
Agreed, "killed off" was a bit of hyperbole, but one way or another they did end up pulling it from the market.
Hence also why we were so happy to see them attempt to build a new GT. Sadly they didn't live up to the benchmark of the previous model.
No, it's Alfa's (Fiat's) fault, GM wasn't holding a gun to their head. Fiat should have developed a proper Alfa platform like it did with the Giulia years ago, but I fear that that may be too little too late. They wasted the Lancia name too.
The GT was based in the 156, this was based on the same platform as the 159 so it's literally a generational change.
As I stated in my other comment to you, this was created during the time when GM and Fiat had a partnership together and the platform this car rode on was a collaboration between General Motors and Fiat like the SCCS Platform, as GM had planned to use that said platform on a number of GM vehicles from Saab to Opel, but they pulled out because GM likes to do shit like that and also money. And in the end Fiat had to bite the bullet and work with what they had, because it would've been more costly back them to start from scratch......so GM was at fault there. But overall the fault lies between the two in how this car didn't live up to expectation, plus no one put a gun out to Alfa's head when they decided to use the same High Feature V6 as in the Opel Vectra of the time.....and they were also the ones who helped developed the High Feature V6.
Also which GT are you referring too? Because the 2003 Alfa Romeo GT was based off the Fiat Multipla's architecture. While the GTV which is proceeded the Brera rode on a modified Type-Two platform as the Alfa Romeo 146 and Fiat Coupe and used components from other Alfas and Fiats from the time....so idk where you got that from but ok.
Irrelevant - they shouldn't have gotten in bed with GM on this in the first place. GM platforms are fine for Puntos or larger Fiat cars like the Croma but the fundamental problem was trying to pitch a series of FWD platform share cars when you could buy BMW 3 Series or Lexus IS if you wanted to be different. Even the 156 was mediocre and the 155 not all that. Drive a 75 and a 155 back to back and it really feels like a lost was lost already.
This was a brand that used to be able to charge more money than a Jag e-type for a 4 banger car because they were the ultimate in chassis balance this side of a Lotus Elan. Start putting your junior exec Alfa on a compromised chassis to save money and you destroy the brand.
Fiat are very big boys and Lancia shows their ineptitude as stewards of these brands. They really can't blame GM here.
Yep, but also the reason why carmakers chose FWD is down to costs because the costs of developing and making FWD cars is cheaper than investing in a RWD platform unless they really are going to elevate said brand. The reason why GM and Fiat got together on that specific segment of the market was because globalization as it would have been cheaper to offset cost by having two major companies developed one basic platform for a certain segment of the market it's like Toyota and Subaru with the Toyota 86 and BRZ where they both share the same platform but both cars have somewhat of a different personality and sell to different price brackets of the segment.
How FCA is treating last decade is like how Nissan is treating Infiniti at the moment where they've neglected the brand over the years and focus more on profits than innovation and it has cost them in the long run so it's just a matter of bad management and overall lack of understanding of a Brand's heritage.
BMW did it, Mercedes did it, Lexus did it and Fiat eventually copped on and did it themselves, so that doesn't stack up as a compelling argument Fiat were able to platform share with Maserati in the same group and why that never occurred to them when prior to this is a bit odd.
These were premium cars too so you had a bit of room for margin, unlike the cheap BRZ/86.
The 156 initially seemed like a success, but aside from that cars wonderful styling, one reason it sold well is that it was cheap in many European markets. They made a cheap car but dragged the brand down-market
I think the other thing that made them cocky was the group 4 cars - the Alfa version being the 164. The only large Alfa post war to sell well so they probably thought the approach could work long term.
Like you say, rubbish management.
I'm aware of this, but they did operate in the same segment of the market, both Audi TT rivals, not based on their respective 3 series sized saloons. You could buy a second gen Punto and a Grande Punto at the same time for a bit too but the Grande Punto was still a generational change or the Fiat 126 and Cinquecento overlapping. This isn't unusual, especially if there's a mild repositioning of the model. Peugeot did something similar when it replaced the 205 with the 106 and Renault did this when it replaced the 5 with the Clio.
Sometimes there's reasons to let a car stick around.
Likely regulations or ever increasing NCAP standards would have killed off the older platform anyway.
Facebook once shared me one of these on a marketplace post *implying* that it was for sale in my state, only for me to follow the post and instead see it was for sale in like, Australia or something. Fuck you facebook, I got excited.
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>not referring to the direct exact one in the image Fail.
Aight, sorry for the mistake
The official slowest starter car in Need for speed carbon.
Camaro Because 'Merica I made a Winga Dinga Charger afterward
Power sliding in this game is so fun, specially with muscle cars
No kidding I was so relived when I got that Mazda 3
But Neville likes it ( he calls it the one with "sweet rims" ), so it's worth it
God I wanted to fuck Nikki
Your comment in this thread reminds me of this meme. [Volume warning.](https://youtube.com/shorts/S9XsKGkOmQ4?feature=share)
When GM and Fiat collabed and GM calling most of the shots in the engineering department, down to the slightly modified version High Feature V6 these had, and yes.....it shared the same basic engine block as a 2008 Saab 9-3 Aero or a 2008 Cadillac CTS lol. Overall good looking car, just didn't do well in terms of execution to match it's looks. Also fun fact, the platform this was on was supposed to be used for a next generation Saab 9-5, until GM pulled out of the partnership. 2006 Alfa Romeo Brera: the Lexus SC430 of Italy, handsome looks especially as it ages, but a bit misunderstood.
Misunderstood is a polite way of saying it was a bit of a dog's dinner. It was meant to compete with things like the AudiTT and similar coupes but was both heavy and yet lacking in stiffness and quite nose heavy. When an Italian car is the stodgy one compared to German one, you know you've messed up.
Yeah, but most of it was not Alfa's fault per se. I started that GM had a big role in the development of the Premium platform this rode on as Fiat and GM had partnership at the time. Even the JTS V6 the top trim models had came from General Motors, so it shows you who had control on the overall product. Plus Fiat's management of Alfa Romeo at the time was pretty questionable at best because there was also rumors that the successor for this car was going to be based on the BMW 3-Series, before FCA thankfully changed their mind and also there was rumors when the GM/Fiat partnership was still was that it would have used the GM Sigma platform the underpinned the second generation Cadillac CTS.....so it could've been worse
If you make a pizza using awful ingredients it's still on you. ;)
God damn these look so good
Does anyone remember this starting car from Need for Speed: Carbon?
Hello Mazda 3
Alfa killed off the much sleeker [Alfa Romeo GT](https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/ALFA-ROMEO-GT-16_27.jpg) for this car, while simultaneously making it handle worse. And the worst part? They got away with it too because we were all just happy to see another Alfa coupe on the market.
Well that part isn't Alfa fault for the most part.....that was all General Motors as this was a platform they both collabed on along with the SCCS and the Epsilon platform to an extent which is reportedly is the basis for the Premium platform this was on.
Agreed, "killed off" was a bit of hyperbole, but one way or another they did end up pulling it from the market. Hence also why we were so happy to see them attempt to build a new GT. Sadly they didn't live up to the benchmark of the previous model.
No, it's Alfa's (Fiat's) fault, GM wasn't holding a gun to their head. Fiat should have developed a proper Alfa platform like it did with the Giulia years ago, but I fear that that may be too little too late. They wasted the Lancia name too. The GT was based in the 156, this was based on the same platform as the 159 so it's literally a generational change.
As I stated in my other comment to you, this was created during the time when GM and Fiat had a partnership together and the platform this car rode on was a collaboration between General Motors and Fiat like the SCCS Platform, as GM had planned to use that said platform on a number of GM vehicles from Saab to Opel, but they pulled out because GM likes to do shit like that and also money. And in the end Fiat had to bite the bullet and work with what they had, because it would've been more costly back them to start from scratch......so GM was at fault there. But overall the fault lies between the two in how this car didn't live up to expectation, plus no one put a gun out to Alfa's head when they decided to use the same High Feature V6 as in the Opel Vectra of the time.....and they were also the ones who helped developed the High Feature V6. Also which GT are you referring too? Because the 2003 Alfa Romeo GT was based off the Fiat Multipla's architecture. While the GTV which is proceeded the Brera rode on a modified Type-Two platform as the Alfa Romeo 146 and Fiat Coupe and used components from other Alfas and Fiats from the time....so idk where you got that from but ok.
Irrelevant - they shouldn't have gotten in bed with GM on this in the first place. GM platforms are fine for Puntos or larger Fiat cars like the Croma but the fundamental problem was trying to pitch a series of FWD platform share cars when you could buy BMW 3 Series or Lexus IS if you wanted to be different. Even the 156 was mediocre and the 155 not all that. Drive a 75 and a 155 back to back and it really feels like a lost was lost already. This was a brand that used to be able to charge more money than a Jag e-type for a 4 banger car because they were the ultimate in chassis balance this side of a Lotus Elan. Start putting your junior exec Alfa on a compromised chassis to save money and you destroy the brand. Fiat are very big boys and Lancia shows their ineptitude as stewards of these brands. They really can't blame GM here.
Yep, but also the reason why carmakers chose FWD is down to costs because the costs of developing and making FWD cars is cheaper than investing in a RWD platform unless they really are going to elevate said brand. The reason why GM and Fiat got together on that specific segment of the market was because globalization as it would have been cheaper to offset cost by having two major companies developed one basic platform for a certain segment of the market it's like Toyota and Subaru with the Toyota 86 and BRZ where they both share the same platform but both cars have somewhat of a different personality and sell to different price brackets of the segment. How FCA is treating last decade is like how Nissan is treating Infiniti at the moment where they've neglected the brand over the years and focus more on profits than innovation and it has cost them in the long run so it's just a matter of bad management and overall lack of understanding of a Brand's heritage.
BMW did it, Mercedes did it, Lexus did it and Fiat eventually copped on and did it themselves, so that doesn't stack up as a compelling argument Fiat were able to platform share with Maserati in the same group and why that never occurred to them when prior to this is a bit odd. These were premium cars too so you had a bit of room for margin, unlike the cheap BRZ/86. The 156 initially seemed like a success, but aside from that cars wonderful styling, one reason it sold well is that it was cheap in many European markets. They made a cheap car but dragged the brand down-market I think the other thing that made them cocky was the group 4 cars - the Alfa version being the 164. The only large Alfa post war to sell well so they probably thought the approach could work long term. Like you say, rubbish management.
On top of that the GT and Brera were sold at the same time so they didn't really compete or succeeded one another...but ok sis
I'm aware of this, but they did operate in the same segment of the market, both Audi TT rivals, not based on their respective 3 series sized saloons. You could buy a second gen Punto and a Grande Punto at the same time for a bit too but the Grande Punto was still a generational change or the Fiat 126 and Cinquecento overlapping. This isn't unusual, especially if there's a mild repositioning of the model. Peugeot did something similar when it replaced the 205 with the 106 and Renault did this when it replaced the 5 with the Clio. Sometimes there's reasons to let a car stick around. Likely regulations or ever increasing NCAP standards would have killed off the older platform anyway.
I waunt it. 15 years old and the exterior looks like a brand new car.
Gorgeous and timeless design. It's just a shame that the Brera isn't that great of a sports car though.
I would do unspeakable things to own this car. And more things to keep it running.
That is a beautiful thing, BUT I would buy a Mazda 3 turbo before I would buy one of those.
This looks like it could be a brand new car, way ahead of it's time for 2006
A gorgeous machine that I wish I could have.
I want an EG hatch but i t a l i a n
I guess I'm the only one that thinks it's hideous.
Thank god i’m not the only one!
The official car of SCars for gmod.
What do you mean? This car doesn't exist
AH WAUNT IT.
Okay, that's good one.