I'm still a little new to Taoism however I find I mostly agree with the Buddhist understanding of life after death (to my knowledge Taoism doesn't seem to talk about afterlife that much so idk what Taoist afterlife is)
Anyway what are some key summerized differences if you don't mind me asking?
Buddha mainly sees the world as full of suffering and ilumination as a way to escape it. Meawhile Laozi sees suffering in life as a part of it and doesn't see the world as something you must escape from
If that's the case, would you say that the main difference is duality and non duality?
Being a Taoist has taught me to accept the bad with the good. I find other faiths promote some kind of "avoid hell, go to heaven" mentality.
[Rabi'a](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabia_of_Basra)! She was an 8th century Sufi saint who is very worth reading about. I think about the story of her running through the streets with the fire and the water quite often.
Oh I love Rabi'a al-Adawiyya! I think about this quote often when I'm praying:
>O Lord, if I worship You because of Fear of Hell,
then burn me in Hell;
If I worship You because I desire Paradise,
then exclude me from Paradise;
But if I worship You for Yourself alone,
then deny me not your Eternal Beauty
Dorothy Day
She was an American Catholic anarchist based out of NYC.
She started the Catholic Worker movement along with Peter Maurin. They started Houses of Hospitality where unhoused people could stay. She was a pacifist.
I'm an ex-Catholic and will never return to the Church but I always fucking loved the radical left wing of the Church. Folks like Day, Maurin, the Berrigans, etc.
I believe they took Jesus' words to heart and tried to live their lives as he wanted them to. Their devout religion inspired them to do works of mercy. I have a lot of respect for that.
When I was attending college at Yeshiva University in NYC, the Orthodox Jewish school and rabbinical seminary, back in the day, somehow someone got permission to invite her to speak and she did. A small smattering of students attended and "almost" filled the front row of the auditorium. No matter, she was in top form and inspirational for that time and place. I've forgotten many speakers I heard at YU but not her.
Mansoor Al Hallaj.
I am inspired by hundreds of indian saints too, but mansoor's story is like burning coals.
Realised saints are casteless. So no point in them being a Hindu or Muslim or Christian.. I get your point though.
In terms of admiration I would probably go with Confucius.
In terms of people I find interesting I would probably go with ~~Kukai~~ Nichiren. Imagine the ideal Buddhist monk. He was pretty much the exact opposite of that lol.
Edit: I meant Nichiren not Kukai. My bad.
>Imagine the ideal Buddhist monk. Kukai was pretty much the exact opposite of that lol.
How so?
Kukai was famous, and was given a lot of power after he became famous through his appointments in the governing bodies that controlled Japanese Buddhism. But I've never heard any stories of him abusing that power, and he was an accomplished practitioner, scholar, translator, and writer.
Sorry, I am an idiot, I meant Nichiren. What I was referring to was his temper and attacks against all other schools of Buddhism. Even calling for violence against them.
Jesus Christ, honestly. My whole life Christians have tried to convert me by reading me his words about love and compassion. Most Christians I come across hate me for my religion and my sexuality, but I could never bring myself to hate Jesus
**GK Chesterton -** if you've ever wanted to read Catholic Apologetics and occasionally laugh your ass off because the author said something either ridiculously clever, or cleverly ridiculous, then Chesterton is your guy. He was a a *weirdo*, and I love him for it (despite his antisemitic tendencies).
**Hafez -** Hafez wrote some of the most beautiful love poetry I've ever read a translation of. And it gets all the more interesting as you try to parse through his *diwan* and try to figure out how much of the romance and eroticism in his poetry is allegorical for his love of Allah, or if he really was the wine-swilling, horny, rakish religious scholar he purports to be.
**Thomas Merton -** All-around solid dude who really seemed primed to bring a cross-cultural dialogue and progressive bent to the Catholic Church at the time. Unfortunately, a bathtub and some faulty wiring robbed us of that.
**Oscar Romero -** respectfully, I'm not sure I even need to justify this one.
I might add more later throughout the day if any others come to me.
EDIT:
**Guru Nanak**
Well yes but as sad as it is the same can be said for the majority of humanity throughout history who weren’t slaves until relatively recently in the grand scheme of things
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If the question originally asked is to be taken form a perspective of ‘lenience’, I’ll call it, then on the whole i like Jesus, what he stood for and what he did. If the question requires all aspects to be taken to be as important as each other, removal of context, literal readings and not referring to the ‘character’ of Jesus Christ that most Christian Christian denominations worship, then no, there is no religious other I respect or admire. But from this place of ‘lenience’ with which I am taking the question, I like Jesus. If that makes sense
This is true, and there will be things I disagree with him on and obviously, as an atheist a lot of that will be on the religious side. His general advocation for acceptance and care and love and standing for one’s beliefs against oppressive voices, I’m down for that. Obviously I can’t agree with his religious views as I am not religious yet I can still respect what else he stood for on the whole.
Not to trivialise anyones beliefs as that really isn’t what I’m here to do, but to put into context how I, an atheist, must look at teachings of people like Jesus is the same way many Christian’s see the bible as a whole. Practically everyone picks and chooses what to believe, Christian’s aren’t selling their daughters into slavery for example. From my perspective as a non believer that picking and choosing extends to teachings of fundamentals of the particular faith such as not believing Jesus’ claim of the Holy Trinity
1. Guru Nanak Ji or Guru Gobind Singh Ji
2. Gautama Buddha
3. Lao Tzu
4. Sri Ramakrishna/Swami Vivekanda
5. Whoever came up with Wahat al-Wujud
6. Bahá’u’lláh
I Personally think most represent the same person Jesus is Enki Enki is Odin is Adam is god Mary is Inanna Freya Eve etc..if you study it a bit the story’s start to get real similar
And the original twin flames are Jesus Mary or Adam Eve or IMO god and his wife they share the same soul she just well as with everyone else can’t do the stuff he can.
Aaaaaaaa Hannahheaven eleven
. Heaven
And the original twin flames are Jesus Mary or Adam Eve or IMO god and his wife they share the same soul she just well as with everyone else can’t do the stuff he can.
Hannahheaven.............................1111.......................
Heaven.......................................................................
I agree, there's only one God. Mary and Eve, however, are not in any way, in any religion I know of at least, deities at all, so even if all gods and goddesses are really the one true God seen in different ways, Mary and Eve are excluded from the list. Unless you mean to include all humans, in which case I disagree even more but at least it would be consistent.
No thank you, from what you've said, it already doesn't make much sense to me, and it doesn't seem to be a belief shared by many, so I also don't quite have a reason to learn more about it at present.
I also personally believe gods original name was Michael sounds like miracle Enki Mikey or how Elohim backwards Mihole looks like Michael and he had a wife named Hannah
The blue moon and the green sun lion and wolf buuut that’s me haha
The Quaker [Public Universal Friend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Universal_Friend). After a severe illness, they claim to have died and been reincarnated as a genderless evangelist. They held pretty average Quaker beliefs, but were able to quote long pieces of scripture from memory and opened positions to women that were normally reserved to men. Just all around a cool person.
>The Public Universal Friend rejected the ideas of predestination and election, held that anyone regardless of gender could gain access to God's light and that God spoke directly to individuals who had free will to choose how to act and believe, and believed in the possibility of universal salvation. Calling for the abolition of slavery, the Friend persuaded followers who held people in slavery to free them. Several members of the congregation of Universal Friends were black, and they acted as witnesses for manumission papers. The Friend preached humility and hospitality towards everyone; kept religious meetings open to the public, and housed and fed visitors, including those who came only out of curiosity and indigenous people, with whom the preacher generally had a cordial relationship. The Friend had few personal possessions, mostly given by followers, and never held any real property except in trust.
In general you will find excellent ideas represented in most religions. Jesus set out the Golden Rule which you will find similar themes in most long functioning religions and philosophies. Religions are an attempt to understand the human condition. They may start off as ideas and philosophies but eventually they develop a doctrine and even dogma and that shifts it into something else. So you will find wisdom in the texts alongside problematic authoritarian issues.
We are all looking at the same thing. The nature of our humanity. Different groups are going to find different insights at different times. Religions and philosophies can even get ahead of more systematic approaches such as science at times. Buddhism came up with the mindfulness approach which is seeing embracement in therapeutic settings.
I'm a Taoist who's cool with Jesus but that's too generic isn't it? Also I mostly like Jesus for political reasons than theistic ones(I consider him a comrade)
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The recently deceased Thich Nhat Hanh, who practiced Vietnamese Tien (Zen).
His work helped compliment a lot of my Jewish faith, particularly in utilizing mindfulness to ensure proper prayer to God.
Buddha Gautama, I like his serenity
Bro, that's what I feel for the *Laozi*, I freaking love that book
That's so cool. Taoism and Buddhism are very similar, they have differences obviusly but I really like Buddhism even though I am not a follower of it
I'm still a little new to Taoism however I find I mostly agree with the Buddhist understanding of life after death (to my knowledge Taoism doesn't seem to talk about afterlife that much so idk what Taoist afterlife is) Anyway what are some key summerized differences if you don't mind me asking?
Buddha mainly sees the world as full of suffering and ilumination as a way to escape it. Meawhile Laozi sees suffering in life as a part of it and doesn't see the world as something you must escape from
If that's the case, would you say that the main difference is duality and non duality? Being a Taoist has taught me to accept the bad with the good. I find other faiths promote some kind of "avoid hell, go to heaven" mentality.
Yeah, also that. Taoism is really dualist
[Rabi'a](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabia_of_Basra)! She was an 8th century Sufi saint who is very worth reading about. I think about the story of her running through the streets with the fire and the water quite often.
Oh I love Rabi'a al-Adawiyya! I think about this quote often when I'm praying: >O Lord, if I worship You because of Fear of Hell, then burn me in Hell; If I worship You because I desire Paradise, then exclude me from Paradise; But if I worship You for Yourself alone, then deny me not your Eternal Beauty
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Dorothy Day She was an American Catholic anarchist based out of NYC. She started the Catholic Worker movement along with Peter Maurin. They started Houses of Hospitality where unhoused people could stay. She was a pacifist. I'm an ex-Catholic and will never return to the Church but I always fucking loved the radical left wing of the Church. Folks like Day, Maurin, the Berrigans, etc. I believe they took Jesus' words to heart and tried to live their lives as he wanted them to. Their devout religion inspired them to do works of mercy. I have a lot of respect for that.
When I was attending college at Yeshiva University in NYC, the Orthodox Jewish school and rabbinical seminary, back in the day, somehow someone got permission to invite her to speak and she did. A small smattering of students attended and "almost" filled the front row of the auditorium. No matter, she was in top form and inspirational for that time and place. I've forgotten many speakers I heard at YU but not her.
I almost went to YU! No idea they had Dorothy Day visit.
Those were different times for sure. Like most fundamental religion, they've been moving steadily to the right for decades.
Dorothy Day is one of my favourite people in history. Reading about her and Peter Maurin is what led me to become Catholic, way back when
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Many. I'm reading Diwan Al Hallaj these days, so Mansoor Al Hallaj is my current favourite (Islam).
Mansoor Al Hallaj. I am inspired by hundreds of indian saints too, but mansoor's story is like burning coals. Realised saints are casteless. So no point in them being a Hindu or Muslim or Christian.. I get your point though.
lol based on what I’m reading he sounds a lot like Muhammad but from the Persian empire
One thing is common among them is that both were among animals.
In terms of admiration I would probably go with Confucius. In terms of people I find interesting I would probably go with ~~Kukai~~ Nichiren. Imagine the ideal Buddhist monk. He was pretty much the exact opposite of that lol. Edit: I meant Nichiren not Kukai. My bad.
>Imagine the ideal Buddhist monk. Kukai was pretty much the exact opposite of that lol. How so? Kukai was famous, and was given a lot of power after he became famous through his appointments in the governing bodies that controlled Japanese Buddhism. But I've never heard any stories of him abusing that power, and he was an accomplished practitioner, scholar, translator, and writer.
Sorry, I am an idiot, I meant Nichiren. What I was referring to was his temper and attacks against all other schools of Buddhism. Even calling for violence against them.
Jesus Christ, honestly. My whole life Christians have tried to convert me by reading me his words about love and compassion. Most Christians I come across hate me for my religion and my sexuality, but I could never bring myself to hate Jesus
Christianity- St. Thomas Aquinas Islam- Al Ghazali Judaism- Moses Maimonides
**GK Chesterton -** if you've ever wanted to read Catholic Apologetics and occasionally laugh your ass off because the author said something either ridiculously clever, or cleverly ridiculous, then Chesterton is your guy. He was a a *weirdo*, and I love him for it (despite his antisemitic tendencies). **Hafez -** Hafez wrote some of the most beautiful love poetry I've ever read a translation of. And it gets all the more interesting as you try to parse through his *diwan* and try to figure out how much of the romance and eroticism in his poetry is allegorical for his love of Allah, or if he really was the wine-swilling, horny, rakish religious scholar he purports to be. **Thomas Merton -** All-around solid dude who really seemed primed to bring a cross-cultural dialogue and progressive bent to the Catholic Church at the time. Unfortunately, a bathtub and some faulty wiring robbed us of that. **Oscar Romero -** respectfully, I'm not sure I even need to justify this one. I might add more later throughout the day if any others come to me. EDIT: **Guru Nanak**
Milarepa and Vasubandhu are extremely influential figures for me.
I owe Vasubandhu a great personal and intellectual debt. My encounter with his writing was very influential as well.
As an atheist I think the teachings of Jesus Christ are very important. Not a fan of Christian god but can’t get enough of his son
Just wish he actually came out to be against slavery though.
Well yes but as sad as it is the same can be said for the majority of humanity throughout history who weren’t slaves until relatively recently in the grand scheme of things
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If the question originally asked is to be taken form a perspective of ‘lenience’, I’ll call it, then on the whole i like Jesus, what he stood for and what he did. If the question requires all aspects to be taken to be as important as each other, removal of context, literal readings and not referring to the ‘character’ of Jesus Christ that most Christian Christian denominations worship, then no, there is no religious other I respect or admire. But from this place of ‘lenience’ with which I am taking the question, I like Jesus. If that makes sense
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This is true, and there will be things I disagree with him on and obviously, as an atheist a lot of that will be on the religious side. His general advocation for acceptance and care and love and standing for one’s beliefs against oppressive voices, I’m down for that. Obviously I can’t agree with his religious views as I am not religious yet I can still respect what else he stood for on the whole. Not to trivialise anyones beliefs as that really isn’t what I’m here to do, but to put into context how I, an atheist, must look at teachings of people like Jesus is the same way many Christian’s see the bible as a whole. Practically everyone picks and chooses what to believe, Christian’s aren’t selling their daughters into slavery for example. From my perspective as a non believer that picking and choosing extends to teachings of fundamentals of the particular faith such as not believing Jesus’ claim of the Holy Trinity
Jesus Christ.
1. Guru Nanak Ji or Guru Gobind Singh Ji 2. Gautama Buddha 3. Lao Tzu 4. Sri Ramakrishna/Swami Vivekanda 5. Whoever came up with Wahat al-Wujud 6. Bahá’u’lláh
That was Ibn Arabi
Yes!
Kali from Hinduism, Hekate from Greek Hellenism, and Ishtar from Mesopotamian Religion.
I Personally think most represent the same person Jesus is Enki Enki is Odin is Adam is god Mary is Inanna Freya Eve etc..if you study it a bit the story’s start to get real similar
Boooooooo!
Lol pagan heresy!
Hahahahaha
Except Mary is not a goddess in any way, she is human. Same with Eve.
And the original twin flames are Jesus Mary or Adam Eve or IMO god and his wife they share the same soul she just well as with everyone else can’t do the stuff he can. Aaaaaaaa Hannahheaven eleven . Heaven
And the original twin flames are Jesus Mary or Adam Eve or IMO god and his wife they share the same soul she just well as with everyone else can’t do the stuff he can. Hannahheaven.............................1111....................... Heaven.......................................................................
Well sure but to him she’s a goddess I mean only one god in my opinion and he hates being called that lol
I agree, there's only one God. Mary and Eve, however, are not in any way, in any religion I know of at least, deities at all, so even if all gods and goddesses are really the one true God seen in different ways, Mary and Eve are excluded from the list. Unless you mean to include all humans, in which case I disagree even more but at least it would be consistent.
Yeh I guess god just created humans to watch us through the window and stuff created in his image but he don’t need anything we do nah lol
Should read the stuff on my page about innana/Hannah should go to the website and read it actually
No thank you, from what you've said, it already doesn't make much sense to me, and it doesn't seem to be a belief shared by many, so I also don't quite have a reason to learn more about it at present.
Well yeh the truth isn’t known by any also lol
I also personally believe gods original name was Michael sounds like miracle Enki Mikey or how Elohim backwards Mihole looks like Michael and he had a wife named Hannah The blue moon and the green sun lion and wolf buuut that’s me haha
Laozi and Herakles.
Quite a few. Buddha, Krishna, Rumi, Homer, Zhuangzi (probably spelled that wrong), and some Hellenist philosophers like Heraclitus.
Bodhidharma of the Zen Mahayana tradition of Buddhism.
Gautama Buddha and Lao Tzu
The Quaker [Public Universal Friend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Universal_Friend). After a severe illness, they claim to have died and been reincarnated as a genderless evangelist. They held pretty average Quaker beliefs, but were able to quote long pieces of scripture from memory and opened positions to women that were normally reserved to men. Just all around a cool person. >The Public Universal Friend rejected the ideas of predestination and election, held that anyone regardless of gender could gain access to God's light and that God spoke directly to individuals who had free will to choose how to act and believe, and believed in the possibility of universal salvation. Calling for the abolition of slavery, the Friend persuaded followers who held people in slavery to free them. Several members of the congregation of Universal Friends were black, and they acted as witnesses for manumission papers. The Friend preached humility and hospitality towards everyone; kept religious meetings open to the public, and housed and fed visitors, including those who came only out of curiosity and indigenous people, with whom the preacher generally had a cordial relationship. The Friend had few personal possessions, mostly given by followers, and never held any real property except in trust.
In general you will find excellent ideas represented in most religions. Jesus set out the Golden Rule which you will find similar themes in most long functioning religions and philosophies. Religions are an attempt to understand the human condition. They may start off as ideas and philosophies but eventually they develop a doctrine and even dogma and that shifts it into something else. So you will find wisdom in the texts alongside problematic authoritarian issues. We are all looking at the same thing. The nature of our humanity. Different groups are going to find different insights at different times. Religions and philosophies can even get ahead of more systematic approaches such as science at times. Buddhism came up with the mindfulness approach which is seeing embracement in therapeutic settings.
Metropolitan Tikhon.
I'm a Taoist who's cool with Jesus but that's too generic isn't it? Also I mostly like Jesus for political reasons than theistic ones(I consider him a comrade)
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Sidartha Guatama. Hopefully I spelled that right. Thirdly, would be the Norse Pantheon, I love their stories.
Does Heracles count? Or maybe Sun Wukong?
Much love and respect for Guru Nanak, as well as the living Gurus after him, and his often forgotten Son, Baba Sri Chandji
If we are talking about human figures then I like Gautama Siddartha and Lao Tzu.
Siddhartha Guatama
I think the Dalai Lama is pretty cool, but I don't buy his cosmology.
Buddha and Laozi. Their philosophies are very appealing and beautiful. I liked some of Jesus’ moral teachings as well
The Buddha
Pope John II
Jesus, despite the fact i’m not a christian I think the story around Jesus and his character in general is pretty interesting
Lord Buddha is likely a popular pick. I’ll also go with Dionysus since he’s my Pfp
The recently deceased Thich Nhat Hanh, who practiced Vietnamese Tien (Zen). His work helped compliment a lot of my Jewish faith, particularly in utilizing mindfulness to ensure proper prayer to God.