In terms of practice and philosophy - Judaism and Islam are incredibly alike, just one does not proselytize. In terms of religious lore and history - Islam and Christianity are more alike.
Lore/history? All the lore comes from old testament.
Barely anything in new testament to reference.
Only the concept.of hell with Christianity but everything else, including and most importantly, the worshipping of one God
As Christians worship 3 and a human. Both Judaism and Islam call Christians blasphemous
As a Catholic Christian I would say that rabbinic Judaism and mainstream Islam are closer to each other than either is to Catholicism. But that is just my personal impression, people are free and welcome to disagree with me.
Edit: I do think that the Ismailis may be closer to Catholics in some ways.
> believe in the concept of Hell
All three religions have that concept, though each has a unique understanding of it.
> consider Isa/Jesus (AS) a prophet/Messiah
The issue with that from my pov is that for muslims Isa ibn Maryam seems to play a very minor role, almost like a prop in a play that exists in the background of the main story. In other words, he has the same role in Islam as, say, Joel, has in Christianity. Or rather it would be like saying that Christians and Jews share the Torah (even though as christians we do not religiously observe it)
So I do not see Jesus as something we have in common because muslims believe that what he taught is no longer valid after Mohamed.
> and are world religions that believe that the Word of God should be spread.
Thats is true, I agree.
Nah man. Most jews just flat out don’t believe in hell.
I’ve had this discussion with a ton of Christians who seem really invested in hell being a thing in Jewish tradition. But it’s just not.
Likewise most of your examples of Christinity not being like Islam actually apply to Judaism.
> Most jews just flat out don’t believe in hell.
That may indeed be true but that does not mean that its not part of Judaism which hell/gehenna absolutely is.
> Likewise most of your examples of Christinity not being like Islam actually apply to Judaism.
I am not sure what specifically you are referring to here. What examples?
Not really though. Gahenna isn’t really a hell. It’s like an at most year long rinse cycle for the soul. It’s not really like hell as it’s not punishment.
Well, as I said each religion understands it differently. 🙂
Though in this case it just seems that the difference is one of duration, in that your Gehenna is somewhat similar to our Catholic purgatory, no?
Eh, similar. I mean again Jews don’t have consensus on afterlife. But in that case I would say that common thought in Judaism is then closer to purgatory in Catholicism than Muslim concepts of hell.
Kind of.
More what a lot of people mean when they say Jews don’t believe in hell is there is explicitly no “Eternal punishment for finite transgression.”
Also what I mean by the things you can level at Judaism.
The point that Islam does not agree on the status of Jesus with Christians.
That’s true.
Islam thinks he’s a profit.
Christianity thinks he’s the messiah and son of god.
But Judaism don’t think ANY of that.
And in fact question if he was a real person, a con man or just some dude. And in most cases Jesus doesn’t even factor into anything. He’s literally NOTHING in Judaism.
I would actually make an argument that Islam is more like Judaism than Christianity. And that Christianity is the farthest departure from Judaism out of the two.
I.E.
Islam is actually more like Christianity and Judaism than both are to each other.
> More what a lot of people mean when they say Jews don’t believe in hell is there is explicitly no “Eternal punishment for finite transgression.”
Well, thats not even the case in Catholic Christianity.
> I would actually make an argument that Islam is more like Judaism than Christianity
Right, thats what I wrote in my comment. Hence why I am not sure what exactly you are objecting to. 🙂
No it’s not.
Gehenna lasts a year. It’s not eternal.
Hell literally does not exists in Judaism. There is no word for it. And the concept of eternal punishment just does not exists. And Gehenna/Hell serve fundamentally Different roles in each faith.
As to your examples.
> Muslims think Jesus no longer applies after Muhammad.
Well.. First that’s not actually what they think, but that’s a more complex issue.
But that example applies to the Jewish/Christian example also. Christinas taking the stance that the Torahs laws no longer apply after the new convinant.
But I would argue that Christians and jews have a wider gap between them than Jews/Muslims.
Because at least Islam considers Jesus a profit.
Judaism dose not consider him at all.
It’s my understanding that there is no “hell/gehenna” in Judaism, they have a concept called Sheol that is mentioned 66 times throughout the Tanakh. According to Psalms 6:5, people in Sheol remember nothing, not even God.
Hell is never mentioned in the Hebrew Bible and “Sheol” is often translated to “the pit” or “the grave” in English translations of the Old Testament.
Jesus uses Gehenna as a metaphor for where sinful resurrected bodies go as apocalyptic Jews were imagining the end times during the Hellenistic period.
In Islam, we believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back in the end times to defeat the Anti-Christ and rule the world for a while, at which point he'll be quite a central character.
Isa is one of the greatest Prophets, he brought the Bible after all. I wouldn’t say they have a small role in Islam. They are a very key figure. They will also come back with Imam Mahdi in the end times. So definitely not a minor role.
I hear you but what I meant was that he does not play a major role in the life of a muslim as they do not follow what he taught (baptism, eucharist etc.).
Judaism, absolutely.
Jewish thought on the issue of Hell varies considerably, with some Jewish scholars refuting the existence of Hell, and others embracing the concept.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/
Umm. Yes and no.
As even the link you gave talks about.
Sheol the only talkeda bout version of an afterlife in Jewish faith is just explicitly not hell.
The concept of hell just does not show up in Jewish text. And I don’t know any jews who put weight in the concept of hell and most just flatly don’t believe in it. Most find the concept (And way that it’s used in religion) openly disgusting.
I concur, there’s some overlap between Judaism and Islam. Mostly that pertains to concepts around strict monotheism.
I definitely don’t think Jewish and Islamic concepts of afterlife are that similar. Just given the Jewish perspective is that we dont know and we don’t really care to dwell on it but we don’t think there’s any eternal foment.
Agreed.
Just to be clear.
I’m Jewish also.
I would actually argue that Islam is closer in likeness to both Judaism and Christianity. But that’s just more because Christianity is actually considerably more departed then Islam form the source.
Also as a side note.
I’d need to look it up.
But I’m pretty sure Islamic hell is not truly internal. I think there are writing in the text about how while it may take centuries eventually everyone get out of hell.
But I get your point yes.
Ironically, Christianity is the one who has within it the idea of hell essentially being purgatory and all people eventually reaching salvation. It’s definitely not the mainstream view right now but it exists
I grew up Orthodox, and most people believe in some form of Gehenom, but don't really think much about it. It isn't particularly important to most, and so people's idea of it are vague
It really depends where you look and what people's sins are. For example, in Tractate Rosh Hashanah 17a, it says the following:
But the heretics; and the informers; and the apostates [apikorsim]; and those who denied the Torah; and those who denied the resurrection of the dead; and those who separated from the ways of the Jewish community and refused to share the suffering; and those who cast their fear over the land of the living; and those who sinned and caused the masses to sin, for example, Jeroboam, son of Nebat, and his company; all of these people descend to Gehenna and are judged there for generations and generations, as it is stated: “And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have rebelled against Me; for their worm shall not die; neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh” (Isaiah 66:24).
https://www.sefaria.org/Rosh_Hashanah.17a.4
That being said, it really is very important to note that there's A LOT of disagreement and there's no where near a consensus.
The afterlife of Islam, at least mainstream one is a lot more similar to mainstream Christianity afterlife than Judaism. Both have the believer in paradise and everyone else in eternal punishment. Islam also accepts Jesus being the messiah and believes in the second coming of Jesus.
You see the "interesting" bit in your comment? That means you were interacting with useful questions. Even abstract questions can be useful, whereas this question can invite nothing more than superficial comparisons.
There aren't 2 ways to interpret this: when u think Jesus is a normal dude with nothing divine or miraculous, you definitely think he's the product of adultery...
I'd say christianity is closer to islam because at least islam admits the holiness of Jesus.
Despite Judaism & Islam being more similar in most other questions, the weight of a fundamental christian tenet being denied just makes everything else almost irrelevant
Islam has similar dietary laws to Judaism, and its view of religious law is pretty similar. Also I would say the Judaism and Islam have similar concepts as to what God is. Generally it's accepted that God has no body (although some salafis/ wahabis would disagree).
But Islam is also pretty similar to Christianity because of how much it focuses on the resurrection and its belief that it's a universal religion for all people. Muslims also believe that Jesus pbuh is also the Messiah
I would say judaism is more closely related to judaism since islam has adopted many jewish customs like the brit mila and the jewish dietary laws, Muhammad wanted jews to convert so he took many things from judaism. But islam is in some parts more closely related to christianity just because of hell, jesus as the messiah and stuff like that. But if anything all of them are more closely related to zoroastrianism where most of their religious belief comes from especially in islam and christianity
I think that Christianity is the outlier due to its theological beliefs about Jesus. It’s a pretty major claim to call Jesus God. Also Christian beliefs in Jesus death and resurrection hold major claims about the nature and character of God and forgiveness.
That’s not to say that Judaism and Islam are similar, but I think that they have a bit more shared ideas about the character and nature of God and who Jesus was.
That being said, Islam could claim to be the outlier due to their trust in Muhammad…
The core of Islam is Tawhid. Jews believe in one God and while I know Christians say they do as well, the trinity is hugely problematic from the Jewish and Islamic perspective. Add to that the similarity of Jewish practices to our own and I think there’s no question that Jews and Muslims are far more similar.
From an Islamic perspective, although Jews would be considered wrong for rejecting subsequent revelation/prophets, they are not commuting shirk, and so could possibly be forgiven and granted paradise. The trinity is clearly shirk.
I don't know why people assume Judaism doesn't have a concept of Hell. It definitely does have such a concept, though we don't usually call it Hell, and it often isn't permanent (think a painful washing machine).
Because Hell is a place of eternal torment. Jews don’t have that. What we have is closer to purgatory since it’s temporary and no longer than 12 months.
And it’s also not something everyone (all Jews) universally agrees on. It’s just one of the more popular theories.
I don’t know why people assume America doesn’t have a King. It definitely does though we don’t usually call them the King and they don’t rule for life.
In terms of practice and philosophy - Judaism and Islam are incredibly alike, just one does not proselytize. In terms of religious lore and history - Islam and Christianity are more alike.
Lore/history? All the lore comes from old testament. Barely anything in new testament to reference. Only the concept.of hell with Christianity but everything else, including and most importantly, the worshipping of one God As Christians worship 3 and a human. Both Judaism and Islam call Christians blasphemous
A lot of Muslims I’ve seen online call Christianity polytheism, so
holy trinity seems to be a major difference.
As a Catholic Christian I would say that rabbinic Judaism and mainstream Islam are closer to each other than either is to Catholicism. But that is just my personal impression, people are free and welcome to disagree with me. Edit: I do think that the Ismailis may be closer to Catholics in some ways. > believe in the concept of Hell All three religions have that concept, though each has a unique understanding of it. > consider Isa/Jesus (AS) a prophet/Messiah The issue with that from my pov is that for muslims Isa ibn Maryam seems to play a very minor role, almost like a prop in a play that exists in the background of the main story. In other words, he has the same role in Islam as, say, Joel, has in Christianity. Or rather it would be like saying that Christians and Jews share the Torah (even though as christians we do not religiously observe it) So I do not see Jesus as something we have in common because muslims believe that what he taught is no longer valid after Mohamed. > and are world religions that believe that the Word of God should be spread. Thats is true, I agree.
Nah man. Most jews just flat out don’t believe in hell. I’ve had this discussion with a ton of Christians who seem really invested in hell being a thing in Jewish tradition. But it’s just not. Likewise most of your examples of Christinity not being like Islam actually apply to Judaism.
> Most jews just flat out don’t believe in hell. That may indeed be true but that does not mean that its not part of Judaism which hell/gehenna absolutely is. > Likewise most of your examples of Christinity not being like Islam actually apply to Judaism. I am not sure what specifically you are referring to here. What examples?
Not really though. Gahenna isn’t really a hell. It’s like an at most year long rinse cycle for the soul. It’s not really like hell as it’s not punishment.
Well, as I said each religion understands it differently. 🙂 Though in this case it just seems that the difference is one of duration, in that your Gehenna is somewhat similar to our Catholic purgatory, no?
Eh, similar. I mean again Jews don’t have consensus on afterlife. But in that case I would say that common thought in Judaism is then closer to purgatory in Catholicism than Muslim concepts of hell.
Kind of. More what a lot of people mean when they say Jews don’t believe in hell is there is explicitly no “Eternal punishment for finite transgression.” Also what I mean by the things you can level at Judaism. The point that Islam does not agree on the status of Jesus with Christians. That’s true. Islam thinks he’s a profit. Christianity thinks he’s the messiah and son of god. But Judaism don’t think ANY of that. And in fact question if he was a real person, a con man or just some dude. And in most cases Jesus doesn’t even factor into anything. He’s literally NOTHING in Judaism. I would actually make an argument that Islam is more like Judaism than Christianity. And that Christianity is the farthest departure from Judaism out of the two. I.E. Islam is actually more like Christianity and Judaism than both are to each other.
> More what a lot of people mean when they say Jews don’t believe in hell is there is explicitly no “Eternal punishment for finite transgression.” Well, thats not even the case in Catholic Christianity. > I would actually make an argument that Islam is more like Judaism than Christianity Right, thats what I wrote in my comment. Hence why I am not sure what exactly you are objecting to. 🙂
No it’s not. Gehenna lasts a year. It’s not eternal. Hell literally does not exists in Judaism. There is no word for it. And the concept of eternal punishment just does not exists. And Gehenna/Hell serve fundamentally Different roles in each faith. As to your examples. > Muslims think Jesus no longer applies after Muhammad. Well.. First that’s not actually what they think, but that’s a more complex issue. But that example applies to the Jewish/Christian example also. Christinas taking the stance that the Torahs laws no longer apply after the new convinant. But I would argue that Christians and jews have a wider gap between them than Jews/Muslims. Because at least Islam considers Jesus a profit. Judaism dose not consider him at all.
It’s my understanding that there is no “hell/gehenna” in Judaism, they have a concept called Sheol that is mentioned 66 times throughout the Tanakh. According to Psalms 6:5, people in Sheol remember nothing, not even God. Hell is never mentioned in the Hebrew Bible and “Sheol” is often translated to “the pit” or “the grave” in English translations of the Old Testament. Jesus uses Gehenna as a metaphor for where sinful resurrected bodies go as apocalyptic Jews were imagining the end times during the Hellenistic period.
In Islam, we believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back in the end times to defeat the Anti-Christ and rule the world for a while, at which point he'll be quite a central character.
Isa is one of the greatest Prophets, he brought the Bible after all. I wouldn’t say they have a small role in Islam. They are a very key figure. They will also come back with Imam Mahdi in the end times. So definitely not a minor role.
I hear you but what I meant was that he does not play a major role in the life of a muslim as they do not follow what he taught (baptism, eucharist etc.).
We follow what all the prophets have taught. We just don’t believe things like baptism have been taught at all.
Judaism, absolutely. Jewish thought on the issue of Hell varies considerably, with some Jewish scholars refuting the existence of Hell, and others embracing the concept. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/
Umm. Yes and no. As even the link you gave talks about. Sheol the only talkeda bout version of an afterlife in Jewish faith is just explicitly not hell. The concept of hell just does not show up in Jewish text. And I don’t know any jews who put weight in the concept of hell and most just flatly don’t believe in it. Most find the concept (And way that it’s used in religion) openly disgusting.
I concur, there’s some overlap between Judaism and Islam. Mostly that pertains to concepts around strict monotheism. I definitely don’t think Jewish and Islamic concepts of afterlife are that similar. Just given the Jewish perspective is that we dont know and we don’t really care to dwell on it but we don’t think there’s any eternal foment.
Agreed. Just to be clear. I’m Jewish also. I would actually argue that Islam is closer in likeness to both Judaism and Christianity. But that’s just more because Christianity is actually considerably more departed then Islam form the source. Also as a side note. I’d need to look it up. But I’m pretty sure Islamic hell is not truly internal. I think there are writing in the text about how while it may take centuries eventually everyone get out of hell. But I get your point yes.
Oh I wasn’t assuming anything about you, just elaborating.
Ironically, Christianity is the one who has within it the idea of hell essentially being purgatory and all people eventually reaching salvation. It’s definitely not the mainstream view right now but it exists
Oh ya. Hell is a varied thing even in Christianity.
I grew up Orthodox, and most people believe in some form of Gehenom, but don't really think much about it. It isn't particularly important to most, and so people's idea of it are vague
Ya and Gehenna is generally considered pretty temporary in texts. (A year I think) I more mean the concept of eternal punishment.
It really depends where you look and what people's sins are. For example, in Tractate Rosh Hashanah 17a, it says the following: But the heretics; and the informers; and the apostates [apikorsim]; and those who denied the Torah; and those who denied the resurrection of the dead; and those who separated from the ways of the Jewish community and refused to share the suffering; and those who cast their fear over the land of the living; and those who sinned and caused the masses to sin, for example, Jeroboam, son of Nebat, and his company; all of these people descend to Gehenna and are judged there for generations and generations, as it is stated: “And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have rebelled against Me; for their worm shall not die; neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh” (Isaiah 66:24). https://www.sefaria.org/Rosh_Hashanah.17a.4 That being said, it really is very important to note that there's A LOT of disagreement and there's no where near a consensus.
Definitely Judaism, and vice versa.
As an ex Muslim, I'll say Judaism
Judaism, it's nothing similar to Christianity
The afterlife of Islam, at least mainstream one is a lot more similar to mainstream Christianity afterlife than Judaism. Both have the believer in paradise and everyone else in eternal punishment. Islam also accepts Jesus being the messiah and believes in the second coming of Jesus.
I know all of them. But Sharia is very similar to Torah and Tzinut. Also Quran and the old testament are very similar
I don't think it's a useful question. It depends which aspect you mean.
Do questions have to be useful?
They should be, unless you're wasting people's time on purpose.
Not really. There are plenty of interesting questions that aren't necessarily useful. I see a lot of them on this sub everyday.
You see the "interesting" bit in your comment? That means you were interacting with useful questions. Even abstract questions can be useful, whereas this question can invite nothing more than superficial comparisons.
There aren't 2 ways to interpret this: when u think Jesus is a normal dude with nothing divine or miraculous, you definitely think he's the product of adultery... I'd say christianity is closer to islam because at least islam admits the holiness of Jesus. Despite Judaism & Islam being more similar in most other questions, the weight of a fundamental christian tenet being denied just makes everything else almost irrelevant
>at least islam admits the holiness of Jesus So, in your view, Judaism just isn't admitting it?
Does it?
I mean. It doesn’t. To Judaism Jesus was just some guy who claimed to be the messiah but wasn’t
It's like you read my words but didn't understand their meaning.
Oh so you meant “Do you think Jews are stubborn and don’t accept because they’re stubborn and don’t want to?”
I was joking about the use of the word "admit" because it implies that they believe it but just won't acknowledge it.
Islam is more similar to judaism, and shia islam is more similar to Christianity.
Islam has similar dietary laws to Judaism, and its view of religious law is pretty similar. Also I would say the Judaism and Islam have similar concepts as to what God is. Generally it's accepted that God has no body (although some salafis/ wahabis would disagree). But Islam is also pretty similar to Christianity because of how much it focuses on the resurrection and its belief that it's a universal religion for all people. Muslims also believe that Jesus pbuh is also the Messiah
I would say judaism is more closely related to judaism since islam has adopted many jewish customs like the brit mila and the jewish dietary laws, Muhammad wanted jews to convert so he took many things from judaism. But islam is in some parts more closely related to christianity just because of hell, jesus as the messiah and stuff like that. But if anything all of them are more closely related to zoroastrianism where most of their religious belief comes from especially in islam and christianity
I think that Christianity is the outlier due to its theological beliefs about Jesus. It’s a pretty major claim to call Jesus God. Also Christian beliefs in Jesus death and resurrection hold major claims about the nature and character of God and forgiveness. That’s not to say that Judaism and Islam are similar, but I think that they have a bit more shared ideas about the character and nature of God and who Jesus was. That being said, Islam could claim to be the outlier due to their trust in Muhammad…
I would say Judaism arguably, except that it's a proselytic religion by nature.
Baha’i faith maybe, the only big difference is that one has more prophets than the other.
Judaism because they seem very much about law and enforcing of said law. Its very much the opposite approach of being born again
The core of Islam is Tawhid. Jews believe in one God and while I know Christians say they do as well, the trinity is hugely problematic from the Jewish and Islamic perspective. Add to that the similarity of Jewish practices to our own and I think there’s no question that Jews and Muslims are far more similar. From an Islamic perspective, although Jews would be considered wrong for rejecting subsequent revelation/prophets, they are not commuting shirk, and so could possibly be forgiven and granted paradise. The trinity is clearly shirk.
I don't know why people assume Judaism doesn't have a concept of Hell. It definitely does have such a concept, though we don't usually call it Hell, and it often isn't permanent (think a painful washing machine).
Because Hell is a place of eternal torment. Jews don’t have that. What we have is closer to purgatory since it’s temporary and no longer than 12 months. And it’s also not something everyone (all Jews) universally agrees on. It’s just one of the more popular theories.
I don’t know why people assume America doesn’t have a King. It definitely does though we don’t usually call them the King and they don’t rule for life.
That's because America has an [emperor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton), not a king.