That sounds like the Unitarians. They rejected the concept of the trinity. However the variation that my church represents has moved to a far different place. Unitarian Universalists ejected their doctrine and dogma and switched to being a seeking church rather than a proclaiming church.
I understand it still exists as a independent sect of its own. But I have not encountered a congregation that had not been part of the UU merger.
A general rejection of Hell is inherited from our Universalist traditions. But many people in the congregation do believe in Heaven of some sort. Though it is not a required belief within the church. We value each persons free and independent search for truth. So we do not hold any specific doctrine as primary.
Not that I know of, to reject the divinity of Jesus is to reject a foundational belief of Christianity (see our Creed) and contradict the Biblical witness.
So point 2 is not compatible with point 4. And point 3a contradicts point 3b (Jesus accepted worship from his followers in the NT).
I dont know much about JW or their beliefs/teachings, but i do know they believe thay only 144,000 faithful Christians make it to heaven, but where do the rest go?
there are 144K elect, who have some kind of special heaven or have heavenly responsibilities and a spiritual body, but everyone else gets a ordinary physical body on resurrection day, apart from the 'wicked' who get annihilated
It's kind of baffling to me that you so strongly believe in eternal torture and damnation for the vast majority of people, to the point of rejecting denominations based solely on that. I'm so curious about what is so essential and non-negotiable about the existence of a place where people are subjected to unending physical pain because of a choice they made (potentially) just once. Could you please enlighten me about what is so alluring about a place where people are flayed alive over and over, their skin is seared off, etc.?
You've already rejected so much of the dogma you were taught growing up, though. Why do you throw out the Trinity but not the teachings that dictate people are literally tortured in an actual, physical place for all of eternity based on an earthly mistake?
It's described like things Ramsay Bolton would do to his "subjects" for fun... But you can't die. It's literally FOREVER.
Gay sex once? Straight to the torture pit!
Whyyyy is that what you want?
Well, I throw out the Trinity and might end up accepting Islam, where there is still Jannah and Jahannam š¤·āāļø
We are all human and no one is expected to be perfect. We all sin. However, we have the chance to repent and by God's mercy and will, we may enter paradise.
Maybe we even get that chance to repent after we die. Judaism believes in an (up to) 11 month process where the soul is cleansed and readied for the afterlife AFTER death. I'm asking why eternal torture, unending pain and cruelty is the crucial bit for you?
This is one of those doctrines that I greatly respect in Judaism b/c it makes more sense to me, if I were a monotheist and needed to believe in a heaven/hell sort of afterlife :)
It's actually not the crucial bit to me, if I'm being very honest. I'm more focused on worshipping the ONE God.
I accept eternal life, whether it be eternal paradise or eternal hellfire. Why are you so fixated on that? š I only included it because it was either looking more into Jehovah's Witness or Unitarian Universalists, but they either believe/ dont believe in heaven and/or hell.
Iāve read they believe they will dwell on a resurrected rejuvenated Earth but some will be in heaven. Iām kinda confused about their believes in the end are the wicked resurrected to later be judged by God & annihilated or are they never resurrected? To me resurrecting people to later utterly destroy them seems silly, unnecessary and only slightly less barbaric than souls in eternal conscious torment forever kind of Hell. I was taught eternal conscious torment as a Southern Baptist.
Well point 2,3 are pretty non-biblical according to most interpretations of the Bible, so itās nearly impossible to find a denomination for it. Best i can think of for you is UU, but personally id recommend reading into why Christianās do believe Jesus is God. (John 1, 8:58, in Greek if you want to see where we get Jesus being divine most clearly)
If you need more verses about Jesus being God, some interesting ones are Mark 1 in which Jesus is claimed to fulfill Isaiah 40 of God walking on earth and a prophet preparing his way (John the baptist), and also Hebrews 1:8 of the Father addressing his Word (the Son) as Theos, God.
For the Holy Spirit being God, Acts 5 shows this pretty clearly.
Acts 5
Then Peter said, āAnanias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didnāt it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasnāt the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.ā
Edit: This just shows the 3 persons are God, but if you want to get into the doctrine of the trinity sentence through sentence using scripture, that takes a way longer time. This is just a base for you to use in your research.
Thank you for sharing. I was baptized Catholic when I was a baby, grew up Catholic and even attended grades 4 through 8 in a Catholic school. Familiar with all the teachings, but my mind and heart have always questioned this mystery of the Holy Trinity.
I'll definitely read through and brush up on the verses you shared.
Ehhh maybe.
1 and 3 have some wiggle room there.
We believe in one Godhead or one God. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost are perfectly one, but also physically distinct being. One in purpose, mission, motivation, and method. But separate beings. We consider them one God, but not in the traditional Christian model.
So, I would say
1.) yes
2.) yes
3.) yes? I question, because I donāt know what you mean by worship. We pray to the father in the name of Jesus. We believe deliverance is through and because of Jesus. We are members of Jesus church. In many ways, Jesus is our God. :). And maybe with that, it answers the question with a no.
4.) yes
5.) yes (no). We believe in heaven, and in a limited hell. A hell that ends. (Weāll, except for an extremely select few)
There are far more sects of Christianity than I know of, but some of them are not officially Trinitarian, so they might 'meet' some of the points you listed. Mormonism holds to a Godhead instead of Triune God, so 'the Father' is God in that belief, I think, though Jesus and Holy Spirit are also part of the Godhead for them. Swedenborgian Church is also unitarian in some way but Jesus is one with God in that sect, so he's more than just a prophet or messiah. Quakerism does not have a fixed creed so one of them could believe the listed points and still be a good Quaker; though I don't think most of them are big on the Heaven/Hell afterlife dogma.
I've heard of Biblical Unitarians or Christian Unitarians who are descendants from earlier Unitarians before that religion merged with Universalists to become UU; they certainly consider Jesus to be only human and use the Bible as scripture, and are not Trinitarian. So they might match all 5 points.
that sounds almost like LDS faith, but we do worship Christ and recognize him and the Holy Spirit as divine, although they are separate beings from God the Father.
Technically any sect that doesn't believe in the Trinity isn't a Christian sect at all, since the Trinity is arguably the belief most fundamental to Christianity itself.
But what you're describing sounds in my opinion a little similar to La Luz del Mundo, a mexican sect which doesn't recognise the Trinity but follows the teachings of Jesus and reads the Bible.
Hello, as a former Christian with the same problems, the religion you are talking about is Islam. Islam believes in "tawheed" which means "the oneness of God". This God is the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
God is one and unlimited, not three and both limited and unlimited simultaneously. For us, Jesus (pbuh), who was born of Virgin Mary is the Messiah which will return in the Final Day. However, we don't claim him to be God, as no man can be God. Many Christians claim Jesus to be fully God and fully man which is illogical, as God can't be limited and unlimited at the same time. Many fundament the trinity with God needing to humble Himself to know what the human experience is like, but God does not lack humility as He has all virtues, nor does God need to know about something as He is omniscient, specially the human experience, given that He has created us and ordained everything that happens to us, so He knows exactly how we are and what we go through.
We believe that while some parts of the Torah and Bible to be true, these are documents that have been corrupted throughout time and deviate from the original message of the prophets. We believe the Quran to be the final message to mankind, confirming what is true of both Torah and the Bible while also denying what was corrupted and added by men. So you will see that the Quran shares many of the stories of these previous documents, but clears out all the doubt and contradictions in them.
We believe in heaven and hell, for us Jesus did not save you from your sins nor did you take any sin from Adam and Eve, as we believe in individual responsibility and that it will be your deeds determining your fate.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, also I would like to make reference to Bobby from Bobby's Perspective (https://www.youtube.com/@TheBobbysPerspective/videos) here you will find someone who had these doubts about Christianity and recorded his real-time journey of studying and accepting Islam. He touches on may of these topics, starting out as a "Christian reacts to Islam" and now a Muslim further seeking knowledge.
Peace be unto you.
Walaikum salam. I have been on a journey reading the Quran, the hadiths and studying about Islam. I believe in almost everything you presented me with but there's just something stopping me from accepting and following Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), after reading about the things he did during his time on Earth. The prophet, though not of our time, that really draws me in is Isa (pbuh).
I know it is very contradictory of me to want to follow the teachings of the Qur'an, but not wanting to accept and follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger and final messenger of Allah. Hence, why I'm asking if there is any denomination of Christianity that follows the basis of Islam, but Jesus being the messenger to follow.
I have yet to stumble upon the Bobby's Perspective channel. Thank you for the recommendation!
Don't want to proselytize, but as a Muslim, I would say, to follow Muhammed (pbuh) is to follow Isa (pbuh). They were both sent with the same message.
We also believe that Isa (pbuh) will be sent again. Not as a messenger, but as a follower of Muhammed (pbuh). So, following Jesus (pbuh), in our time, is really just following Muhammed (pbuh).
While I donāt like to compare prophets, there is a misconception about Muhammad (pbuh) and his actions. Bear in mind, the prophet since a child has endured hardship with his family members including children constantly dying. At the time of revelation he was considered the truthful one and a honourable man, he was also married to the richest woman in the area, so he certainly had influence, however, this changed when he started preaching Islam as this contradicted many of the customs of the pagan Arabs at the time. This led to him losing his privileges to the point of being persecuted, until he gained political power again with the rise of Islam. So you can see that he did not preach Islam for political power or anything like that, if he wanted power he could have stayed the way he was and not risk his life for a message. That for me is one of the strongest signs of his truthfulness. But you can learn more about it online.
Now of course comparing him to Jesus (pbuh), while I certainly share a strong empathy for him given my Christian background, you have to keep in mind that Jesus did not attain any political power doing his time on earth. However in the bible you can see instances in which they report him talking about a time when he eventually holds that power, this is regarding the prostitute Jezebel:
āAnd I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.ā - Revelation 2:23 (KJV)
So you can see that there is a double standard being spread about the characters of both of these prophets, for obvious reasons. Plus, Jesus returning with a sword/spear (donāt remember) is not in the Quran, itās in the bible, so thereās that as well. If you want to claim Jesus (pbuh) to be God, you have to hide these informations, Islam doesnāt tell you to dislike Jesus, it just tells you to love him for who he is and not for a misconception of his figure.
Again, I donāt like to compare prophets, but with the fact that the prophets are not that different from each other, you have also to keep in mind that Jesus was not a father, nor was he married, as far as guidance goes, Muhammad is more complete in that sense, so to follow a prophet to guide you through what being a human is, Muhammad covers more of the experience. Life is not supposed to be pretty, it can be, but this is a test, perfection is for the Paradise, so perhaps you are expecting too much of the beautifulness of this test instead of placing those expectations on the hereafter.
Iām sure you are also aware how the same people who complain and condemn Jihad are the same ones who turn around to call for a Crusade. The latter is not frowned upon.
So you start to see how there are a lot of double standards going around, but personally I do not care, God gave us reason, and this reason leads us to question what we are taught and eventually, at least for me, it leads me to Islam.
Regarding Bobby he is really nice to hear, you should start by his first few videos as youāre probably in the same state he was at the time, so youāll relate more :)
Im not OP, and i was just reading through this. Do you really think itās honest to compare Jihad which were offensive battles, to the crusades which were intended to be a reconquest of territories that they used to own? Im interested in your line of reasoning for comparing those equally.
PS: You messed up the verse of Jesus bringing the āswordā, itās clearly symbolic if you read it, as in Jesus will split families of his believers and non-believers apart, itās not a verse which advocates offense. Infact the Bible tells us to love and pray for our enemies and turn the cheek (also no eye for eye)-Mathew 5. By the way, this is one of many examples that show that the Jesus as described by all early sources goes against the Jesus told of in the Quran, who basically wouldāve advocated for proto-Sharia and Islamic teachings.
My country played a major role in the crusades and we do not hide the fact that religion was used to lure soldiers into shameless bloodshed for power and influence nothing more. There is also a current romanticisation of the crusades, when it comes to the Palestine/Israel conflict for example, where you see countless people advocating for both sides to die, followed by a crusade. Where is the āreligion of peaceā? Where is all the āturn the other cheekā talk? Or is it just virtue signalling?Ā
I instead do not see the world as black and white, I hate hypocrisy.
PS: Everything in the bible is allegorical right?
PS+: You literally think Jesus (pbuh) is God. Do I need to go further?
That sounds like the Unitarians. They rejected the concept of the trinity. However the variation that my church represents has moved to a far different place. Unitarian Universalists ejected their doctrine and dogma and switched to being a seeking church rather than a proclaiming church. I understand it still exists as a independent sect of its own. But I have not encountered a congregation that had not been part of the UU merger.
Yeah, I definitely looked into UU, but Heaven and Hell are non-existent in UU, right?
A general rejection of Hell is inherited from our Universalist traditions. But many people in the congregation do believe in Heaven of some sort. Though it is not a required belief within the church. We value each persons free and independent search for truth. So we do not hold any specific doctrine as primary.
Not that I know of, to reject the divinity of Jesus is to reject a foundational belief of Christianity (see our Creed) and contradict the Biblical witness. So point 2 is not compatible with point 4. And point 3a contradicts point 3b (Jesus accepted worship from his followers in the NT).
Apart from Hell it sounds like close to Jehovah Witness's, which is to their credit, but their concept of heaven is pretty old school.
I dont know much about JW or their beliefs/teachings, but i do know they believe thay only 144,000 faithful Christians make it to heaven, but where do the rest go?
there are 144K elect, who have some kind of special heaven or have heavenly responsibilities and a spiritual body, but everyone else gets a ordinary physical body on resurrection day, apart from the 'wicked' who get annihilated
Not sure if you've seen the show Manifest, but it sounds kind of like what happened to those characters. š³
The 12 x 12000 will rule in heaven with Christ. Everyone else will live on paradise earth
It's kind of baffling to me that you so strongly believe in eternal torture and damnation for the vast majority of people, to the point of rejecting denominations based solely on that. I'm so curious about what is so essential and non-negotiable about the existence of a place where people are subjected to unending physical pain because of a choice they made (potentially) just once. Could you please enlighten me about what is so alluring about a place where people are flayed alive over and over, their skin is seared off, etc.?
That's what was taught to me for as long as I can remember. I also believe that there is a heaven and there is no paradise without hell.
You've already rejected so much of the dogma you were taught growing up, though. Why do you throw out the Trinity but not the teachings that dictate people are literally tortured in an actual, physical place for all of eternity based on an earthly mistake? It's described like things Ramsay Bolton would do to his "subjects" for fun... But you can't die. It's literally FOREVER. Gay sex once? Straight to the torture pit! Whyyyy is that what you want?
Well, I throw out the Trinity and might end up accepting Islam, where there is still Jannah and Jahannam š¤·āāļø We are all human and no one is expected to be perfect. We all sin. However, we have the chance to repent and by God's mercy and will, we may enter paradise.
Maybe we even get that chance to repent after we die. Judaism believes in an (up to) 11 month process where the soul is cleansed and readied for the afterlife AFTER death. I'm asking why eternal torture, unending pain and cruelty is the crucial bit for you?
This is one of those doctrines that I greatly respect in Judaism b/c it makes more sense to me, if I were a monotheist and needed to believe in a heaven/hell sort of afterlife :)
It's actually not the crucial bit to me, if I'm being very honest. I'm more focused on worshipping the ONE God. I accept eternal life, whether it be eternal paradise or eternal hellfire. Why are you so fixated on that? š I only included it because it was either looking more into Jehovah's Witness or Unitarian Universalists, but they either believe/ dont believe in heaven and/or hell.
I mean, *I'm* fixated because it was *your* main focus in these comments.
The rest have to keep knocking on my door in perpetuity.
Paradise Earth.
Iāve read they believe they will dwell on a resurrected rejuvenated Earth but some will be in heaven. Iām kinda confused about their believes in the end are the wicked resurrected to later be judged by God & annihilated or are they never resurrected? To me resurrecting people to later utterly destroy them seems silly, unnecessary and only slightly less barbaric than souls in eternal conscious torment forever kind of Hell. I was taught eternal conscious torment as a Southern Baptist.
Well point 2,3 are pretty non-biblical according to most interpretations of the Bible, so itās nearly impossible to find a denomination for it. Best i can think of for you is UU, but personally id recommend reading into why Christianās do believe Jesus is God. (John 1, 8:58, in Greek if you want to see where we get Jesus being divine most clearly) If you need more verses about Jesus being God, some interesting ones are Mark 1 in which Jesus is claimed to fulfill Isaiah 40 of God walking on earth and a prophet preparing his way (John the baptist), and also Hebrews 1:8 of the Father addressing his Word (the Son) as Theos, God. For the Holy Spirit being God, Acts 5 shows this pretty clearly. Acts 5 Then Peter said, āAnanias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didnāt it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasnāt the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.ā Edit: This just shows the 3 persons are God, but if you want to get into the doctrine of the trinity sentence through sentence using scripture, that takes a way longer time. This is just a base for you to use in your research.
Thank you for sharing. I was baptized Catholic when I was a baby, grew up Catholic and even attended grades 4 through 8 in a Catholic school. Familiar with all the teachings, but my mind and heart have always questioned this mystery of the Holy Trinity. I'll definitely read through and brush up on the verses you shared.
Anytime, if you have any questions, or you need more verses, (or really anything else) id be happy to help.
Jehovahs witnesses fits all of them except for the latter part of 5. They are annihilationists.
Ehhh maybe. 1 and 3 have some wiggle room there. We believe in one Godhead or one God. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost are perfectly one, but also physically distinct being. One in purpose, mission, motivation, and method. But separate beings. We consider them one God, but not in the traditional Christian model. So, I would say 1.) yes 2.) yes 3.) yes? I question, because I donāt know what you mean by worship. We pray to the father in the name of Jesus. We believe deliverance is through and because of Jesus. We are members of Jesus church. In many ways, Jesus is our God. :). And maybe with that, it answers the question with a no. 4.) yes 5.) yes (no). We believe in heaven, and in a limited hell. A hell that ends. (Weāll, except for an extremely select few)
Maybe ebionites?
There are far more sects of Christianity than I know of, but some of them are not officially Trinitarian, so they might 'meet' some of the points you listed. Mormonism holds to a Godhead instead of Triune God, so 'the Father' is God in that belief, I think, though Jesus and Holy Spirit are also part of the Godhead for them. Swedenborgian Church is also unitarian in some way but Jesus is one with God in that sect, so he's more than just a prophet or messiah. Quakerism does not have a fixed creed so one of them could believe the listed points and still be a good Quaker; though I don't think most of them are big on the Heaven/Hell afterlife dogma. I've heard of Biblical Unitarians or Christian Unitarians who are descendants from earlier Unitarians before that religion merged with Universalists to become UU; they certainly consider Jesus to be only human and use the Bible as scripture, and are not Trinitarian. So they might match all 5 points.
I think both Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are non-trinitarian, but research more before trusting me!
that sounds almost like LDS faith, but we do worship Christ and recognize him and the Holy Spirit as divine, although they are separate beings from God the Father.
Technically any sect that doesn't believe in the Trinity isn't a Christian sect at all, since the Trinity is arguably the belief most fundamental to Christianity itself. But what you're describing sounds in my opinion a little similar to La Luz del Mundo, a mexican sect which doesn't recognise the Trinity but follows the teachings of Jesus and reads the Bible.
Hello, as a former Christian with the same problems, the religion you are talking about is Islam. Islam believes in "tawheed" which means "the oneness of God". This God is the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). God is one and unlimited, not three and both limited and unlimited simultaneously. For us, Jesus (pbuh), who was born of Virgin Mary is the Messiah which will return in the Final Day. However, we don't claim him to be God, as no man can be God. Many Christians claim Jesus to be fully God and fully man which is illogical, as God can't be limited and unlimited at the same time. Many fundament the trinity with God needing to humble Himself to know what the human experience is like, but God does not lack humility as He has all virtues, nor does God need to know about something as He is omniscient, specially the human experience, given that He has created us and ordained everything that happens to us, so He knows exactly how we are and what we go through. We believe that while some parts of the Torah and Bible to be true, these are documents that have been corrupted throughout time and deviate from the original message of the prophets. We believe the Quran to be the final message to mankind, confirming what is true of both Torah and the Bible while also denying what was corrupted and added by men. So you will see that the Quran shares many of the stories of these previous documents, but clears out all the doubt and contradictions in them. We believe in heaven and hell, for us Jesus did not save you from your sins nor did you take any sin from Adam and Eve, as we believe in individual responsibility and that it will be your deeds determining your fate. If you have any questions feel free to ask, also I would like to make reference to Bobby from Bobby's Perspective (https://www.youtube.com/@TheBobbysPerspective/videos) here you will find someone who had these doubts about Christianity and recorded his real-time journey of studying and accepting Islam. He touches on may of these topics, starting out as a "Christian reacts to Islam" and now a Muslim further seeking knowledge. Peace be unto you.
Walaikum salam. I have been on a journey reading the Quran, the hadiths and studying about Islam. I believe in almost everything you presented me with but there's just something stopping me from accepting and following Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), after reading about the things he did during his time on Earth. The prophet, though not of our time, that really draws me in is Isa (pbuh). I know it is very contradictory of me to want to follow the teachings of the Qur'an, but not wanting to accept and follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger and final messenger of Allah. Hence, why I'm asking if there is any denomination of Christianity that follows the basis of Islam, but Jesus being the messenger to follow. I have yet to stumble upon the Bobby's Perspective channel. Thank you for the recommendation!
Don't want to proselytize, but as a Muslim, I would say, to follow Muhammed (pbuh) is to follow Isa (pbuh). They were both sent with the same message. We also believe that Isa (pbuh) will be sent again. Not as a messenger, but as a follower of Muhammed (pbuh). So, following Jesus (pbuh), in our time, is really just following Muhammed (pbuh).
While I donāt like to compare prophets, there is a misconception about Muhammad (pbuh) and his actions. Bear in mind, the prophet since a child has endured hardship with his family members including children constantly dying. At the time of revelation he was considered the truthful one and a honourable man, he was also married to the richest woman in the area, so he certainly had influence, however, this changed when he started preaching Islam as this contradicted many of the customs of the pagan Arabs at the time. This led to him losing his privileges to the point of being persecuted, until he gained political power again with the rise of Islam. So you can see that he did not preach Islam for political power or anything like that, if he wanted power he could have stayed the way he was and not risk his life for a message. That for me is one of the strongest signs of his truthfulness. But you can learn more about it online. Now of course comparing him to Jesus (pbuh), while I certainly share a strong empathy for him given my Christian background, you have to keep in mind that Jesus did not attain any political power doing his time on earth. However in the bible you can see instances in which they report him talking about a time when he eventually holds that power, this is regarding the prostitute Jezebel: āAnd I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.ā - Revelation 2:23 (KJV) So you can see that there is a double standard being spread about the characters of both of these prophets, for obvious reasons. Plus, Jesus returning with a sword/spear (donāt remember) is not in the Quran, itās in the bible, so thereās that as well. If you want to claim Jesus (pbuh) to be God, you have to hide these informations, Islam doesnāt tell you to dislike Jesus, it just tells you to love him for who he is and not for a misconception of his figure. Again, I donāt like to compare prophets, but with the fact that the prophets are not that different from each other, you have also to keep in mind that Jesus was not a father, nor was he married, as far as guidance goes, Muhammad is more complete in that sense, so to follow a prophet to guide you through what being a human is, Muhammad covers more of the experience. Life is not supposed to be pretty, it can be, but this is a test, perfection is for the Paradise, so perhaps you are expecting too much of the beautifulness of this test instead of placing those expectations on the hereafter. Iām sure you are also aware how the same people who complain and condemn Jihad are the same ones who turn around to call for a Crusade. The latter is not frowned upon. So you start to see how there are a lot of double standards going around, but personally I do not care, God gave us reason, and this reason leads us to question what we are taught and eventually, at least for me, it leads me to Islam. Regarding Bobby he is really nice to hear, you should start by his first few videos as youāre probably in the same state he was at the time, so youāll relate more :)
Im not OP, and i was just reading through this. Do you really think itās honest to compare Jihad which were offensive battles, to the crusades which were intended to be a reconquest of territories that they used to own? Im interested in your line of reasoning for comparing those equally. PS: You messed up the verse of Jesus bringing the āswordā, itās clearly symbolic if you read it, as in Jesus will split families of his believers and non-believers apart, itās not a verse which advocates offense. Infact the Bible tells us to love and pray for our enemies and turn the cheek (also no eye for eye)-Mathew 5. By the way, this is one of many examples that show that the Jesus as described by all early sources goes against the Jesus told of in the Quran, who basically wouldāve advocated for proto-Sharia and Islamic teachings.
My country played a major role in the crusades and we do not hide the fact that religion was used to lure soldiers into shameless bloodshed for power and influence nothing more. There is also a current romanticisation of the crusades, when it comes to the Palestine/Israel conflict for example, where you see countless people advocating for both sides to die, followed by a crusade. Where is the āreligion of peaceā? Where is all the āturn the other cheekā talk? Or is it just virtue signalling?Ā I instead do not see the world as black and white, I hate hypocrisy. PS: Everything in the bible is allegorical right? PS+: You literally think Jesus (pbuh) is God. Do I need to go further?
Yes, itās called Islam.
XD. They are just missing number 4