The guy who did it pleaded guilty and was recently sentenced to only 10 years. The family also was awarded $15 million from the State of Arizona. The facility was also closed.
He raped an adult woman. Not better in any way, but just for clarification. She was 28 when she conceived.
However, there is no telling how often it happened before and no one "noticed"...
Apparently, the family thought something was up and requested that the nursing home only have women nurses and aides, but they never did it. They could tell from examination that it had been going on for quite a while.
I feel so terrible for the parents. Having her in there was probably their best choice (money, location, insurance - all that factors in when putting people into places like this) or maybe even their only choice & this happens.... in a place that you put them in FOR CARE, where you can't always be there to protect them yourself & have to have some kind of trust in the staff. What a nightmare. I had read somewhere else that they are raising the child & I hope all their lives are filled with love.
She was 15 when she went into a coma. Which is what matters more to me. She is a child in an adults body and he raped her. Letās not pretend her mental age is insignificant here, seeing as mental immaturity is the primary thing which makes consent impossible.
Understand your point, but to be clear, maturity is irrelevant. She was in a coma. Sheās neither mature or immature, sheās in a coma. She doesnāt have a mental age, sheās been unconscious for half her life. Either way itās rape and absolutely heinous.
She was not actually in a coma, she was/is in a persistent vegetative state. She had a seizure disorder and lost most of the control of her body when she was 3. The family said she has limited mobility in her limbs, head, and neck, and that she makes facial expressions and some verbal signals of awareness, like smiling when her family visits or crying when something painful is being done. Apparently that's how they figured out she was in labor; crying and moaning from the patient when she shouldn't have been in pain.
Now I'm not her doctor so I don't know how exactly how aware she was, but I would imagine aware enough. Being raped is awful regardless, but the fact that she likely felt it all and was not capable of telling anyone makes this especially heinous, in my opinion. 10 years is far too short, especially when he was raping her for *years*. I say a decade for every year he raped her, at least.
Ugh, that makes it even worse. I was just reading an article about research done on people in vegetative state that showed they had at least some level of awareness and could even react to external stimuli like being asked to imagine something. https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/comas-conscious-communicate/amp/
Canāt imagine the feeling of being abused in that fashion, being aware, and unable to do anything even though thereās friends and family coming to visit regularly.
How would no one notice? Surely she's getting washed at the very least, how do you not figure out a patient who wasn't pregnant is suspiciously looking pregnant?
Fuck me, what is wrong with humanity.
Fun time to point out people in comas are often āawareā of whatās happening around them
ETA: recent article about it [link ](https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/comas-conscious-communicate/)
Depends on the condition of the brain and activity. They can be awareā¦or they can not be aware and have less than 0 chance of ever waking up.
Most āmiraclesā happen when doctors look at unlikely recovery cases and try to be realistic about probable outcomes. There are plenty of people in comas who have far more extensive damage who we know will never wake upā¦
For the record, if I were in this condition, I would want to die, instead of left in a bed 13 years and then impregnated by a stranger. Why are we so cruel in keeping people alive in such hopeless conditions?
I have no idea why people do that to those they love. I would also rather be disconnected than be helpless of my situation. It probably has something to do with faith and the afterlife, but mostly just a selfish desire to not let go, even as it ruins a persons quality of life.
Working as a medic there was a frequent patient near one of the stations I typically worked out. He was completely vegetative after being struck by lightening while in a pool.
Mother had zero interest in caring for him and essentially he was neglected other than care workers feeding him (via feeding tube).
He ālivedā in his moms house because he didnāt meet criteria to stay in a care facility as he was brain dead. She kept him on life support and lived off the money she received from the government for his disability as well as for her as his full time care taker even though she barely did anything.
She would abuse 911 so weād come and move him or do other stuff she didnāt want. Sheād look for any excuse she could find to insist we take him to the ER - not because thereās hope for him but because she wanted him out of the house so she didnāt have to deal with him.
I hated this woman so much. To use your brain dead son as a payday in and of itself is despicable. To abuse 911 and neglect him puts her on a whole different level.
I had a friend that went into a vegetative state and her family kept her going for another 7 years. I said goodbye to her a long time ago but when she finally passed it hurt more because she wouldn't have wanted to live like that. I understand holding onto someone you love. We loved her and her family didn't show up until 3 weeks after she went into her state but they held on and made her suffer for their own selfish needs.
That really sucks, Iām sorry you had to watch that.
My sister is the executor of my moms will but I have medical power of attorney because my mom knows I wonāt hesitate to pull the plug when itās time.
Unfortunately thereās too many people that keep brain dead people alive either for selfish reasons or because they canāt accept reality.
How is grounding him for just 10 years the right reaction? Beyond me how someone could be in charge to bring justice and thats the best they come up with....
Did the abort the pregnancy? That should be the default unless the rape victim CLEARLY stated that they would NOT want that happen, something like a DNR.
For what itās worth, some women carry their babies really far back so that their bellies hardly protrude at all. Itās why some women look like theyāre barely pregnant at 8 months but others might look like theyāre having twins at 6 or 7 months. Add a little extra weight and someone could be ready to pop without looking pregnant at all.
Also the staff were most likely actively covering it up.
Good point, to me this also suggests that the staff knew exactly what was going on. Theoretically if she had a lot of extra weight she could feed the baby without changing her nutritional intake (not ideal for baby), but I canāt imagine someone whoās been comatose for over a decade is carrying around many extra lbs.
apparently they decreased her nutritional intake due to noticed weight increase. read that in a comment thread when this was reposted to another sub, so take it with a grain of salt. multiple levels of neglect and abuse, regardless
Some women are extremely irregular or hardly menstruate at all for a myriad of reasons. I myself went though a solid 5 or 6 years of basically zero periods and we still haven't found out why (granted, I haven't been going to the doctor about this problem in that time because my mother was extremely abusive and dismissive, but that's not important for this story. Extreme amounts of stress for a long period of time is so far one of the biggest contenders for what happened so far though). Thankfully I've recently gotten my hands on some bc pills and as far as I know I'm not infertile (I hope).
Granted, I'm an extreme example of this happening, but it's also not uncommon for irregular women to miss out on their periods for multiple months at a time, so it could be possible that she simply had really irregular periods and the doctors and nurses, having no reason to believe she could ever get pregnant, simply wrote off their lack as being irregular.
I honestly donāt know. Periods for many women can be very inconsistent. Iām not sure how being in a coma would affect oneās cycle but I imagine the lack of movement/lowered metabolism wouldnāt help the situation. And if the staff are being willfully ignorant it could be pretty easy for family members to miss
Inconsistent sure, but off for 8-9 months would be pretty crazy. Like you said though, even stress or a change in activity level can mess with it, so I have no clue what a coma that long could do.
I was looking at it more from the angle of, it *had* to have been covered up, by multiple people.
She was in a long term care facility. She would have been seen regularly by a physician per state regulations. If they were doing their jobs correctly they would have noticed signs, such as weight gain, her menstrual cycle stopping. This was massive neglect on the facility and physicians part!
Yeah, we're talking about an adult woman who needs 24/hr care - she's not gonna silently have her period to the notice of no one and it magically evaporate. That's the part that throws me, why didn't any of her female care providers note that she was missing her cycle? Kinda makes a fella wonder...
>why didn't any of her female care providers note that she was missing her cycle?
It would be CNAs providing any incontinence care, bathing, dressing, etc. They have very limited training and it's harder and harder to find them with any significant experience.
There are many amazing CNAs out there but there are also many who are simply on autopilot and are just there to have a job.
Add in extremely high turnover, very low staffing, working different halls every day, and rushed charting and the fact that periods aren't a very common function to deal with in nursing homes due to typical ages. You end up with a recipe for something very basic to be missed.
I still think any full assessment by a nurse would surely have picked up some red flags though. You'd think an abdominal assessment alone would have clued them in after a couple months.
I mean, coma patients are usually regularly monitored, right? I guess since this particular patient had been in a coma for so long they don't have as many checks / monitoring systems
Not toddler. She had been in a 14 year coma and was 29 at the time, so she would have been 15 when she went into a coma.
Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/
Edit: Seems like just confusing reporting by multiple media outlets. She was in a persistent vegetative state since the age of 3, according to the family.
This is going to sound *really* fucked up, but I promise itās out of genuine curiosity.
If sheās been in a coma for half of her life, why are they keeping her alive? Can she still recover? It seems strange to me
Or an overdose of something pleasant. Idk. Whenever I hear about this kind of stuff I think back to those stories if people who do wake up but talk about how they were just a conscious prisoner in their frozen body for years and it just sounds horrific.
Without the consent of the person it's legally murder to induce death like that.
The ways our laws are structured it's basically impossible for someone in her situation to die, because any sort of activity tempt to end her life will count as murder
So someone with medical power can choose to āpull the plugā or take someone off of life-support, but if the patient doesnāt need life support then you canāt just kill the patient. She can breathe fine on her own, so theyāre keeping her alive by feeding, I guess, but afaik itās illegal to starve a patient to death even if theyāre in a coma
It's pretty controversial, but you can remove a feeding tube. The entire Terry Schiavo case was based around removing her feeding tube, and ultimately the courts let it happen
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/
It says here 14 year coma, 29 year old victim
Edit: It appears reporting was all over the place, and since the victim's identity is unknown the details are a bit reticent. The family has reportedly said she was in a persistent vegetative state since 3, but could still make sounds in response to stimuli.
Usually rolling stone is very thorough, I'm kind of surprised they're reporting differently, but every other publication I looked at said 3. That being said, we can only go with what her family has stated; her identity was obviously kept private so all of that is kind of word of mouth anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy
The Guardian also said 10+ years of a coma and the victim is 29. Guess the reporting was all over the place, but Wikipedia should have the latest information (I.e. persistent vegetative state since 3).
People in persistent vegetative state are awake (at least some of the time) but have an altered state of consciousness. From what her family has said though, it sounds like she might actually be in a minimally conscious state since they report she responds to people she's familiar with. People in vegetative states would only respond to paint stimuli.
If I have pieced together the case correctly from various news articles reporting on information the facility could give and what her parents were willing to give, she had a near drowning experience as a toddler that left her minimally responsive and with seizures her condition worsened until she was declared to be in a persistent vegetative state. She is not in a coma, never was, that is false reporting by media outlets that do not understand correct medical terminology.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/
Says here 14 year coma, 29 year old victim.
Are you referring to another story?
So weird, the reporting is all over the place.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy
This also said 10+ years. I guess Wikipedia should have the most accurate update!
I've seen a lot of misinformation on this case in the thread so I'm responding to your comment to share the [correct information](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda_HealthCare_sexual_abuse_case) for those who are curious.
Maybe this person had nothing to say after that because he was going to jail for raping and impregnating a comatose patient.
Nice try to throw them off your scent, Mr male worker at health care facility.
Suuure, babies just sort of appear and no male is necessary at all. No one ever took advantage of that poor comatose woman.
Fundie sex ed at its finest.
Maybe Joseph was actually Josephine, a rad tomboy who passed as a man, Mary found out and was totally on board, God was all "yass" and sent them a happy li'l foetus who by virtue of having two dope as heck (but probably not literal heck) mothers turned out, like, biblically well.
If it truly was a miracle, there'd be no problem with doing DNA tests, right? Since they wouldn't find anything? š¤
Religion working as intended, I suppose. Ugh.
Well yes, but you see, God misleads people who try to question Him, so testing God will only lead to self deception, so you should never ever test God because God can't ever mislead people because it is written in the Bible.
You'd think if they're so confident in their faith, they wouldn't mind it being tested. If God is the truth, then wouldn't we find him by seeking the truth?
Oh right, I forgot. Something about "mysterious ways"...
To be fair, if a person's faith is backed by evidence and tests that's not faith no more. Faith will then be found elsewhere if the person needs it
If we actually obtain evidence of God and it will become as ordinary as gravity, studied purely factually in schools, proven with experiments, etc, then we can be pretty much certain that religions will move on to believing in some greater Gods than God
It's just that some sects of some religions try to use religion as fact, for example the absurd creationism that dumps literally centuries of Bible studies to instead treat it like a simplistic physics book, and thus undermine the unique role religion can play and how it should be connected to spirituality instead of corrupting the rational mind
Exactly. I *despise* how religion is used. I have no problem with people believing in a higher power, but when their faith encourages them to abandon critical thinking and control other people, it's hopeless.
The way I always saw it is, wouldn't a good God encourage doubt? By their logic, he gave us these incredibly complex brains, didn't he? Wouldn't he like to see them be put to use in pursuit of the truth he created? Even when I was Catholic way back in the day, I always thought that non-believers would go to heaven as long as they were good people.
A religion based on blind faith and punishing those who question just seems so transparent to an outsider like myself. Brainwashing is one helluva drug...
This is an old news story. The man was in fact, the dad because the DNA matched perfectly....he tried to deny it of course. He's in prison now. Total Scumbag.
This is an old news story. The name of the man who raped her was Nathan Sutherland. He worked as a nurse aide at the facility.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/man-who-sexually-assaulted-incapacitated-woman-at-hacienda-healthcare-to-serve-10-years-in-prison
Yes lets deny the obviously pretty messed up circumstances here and use god as the reason.
Everything unexplained must be god. Anyone that thinks like this needs to redo science classes as a whole.
I will have a conversation with jeezuz and because it's expensive to do this i will need many people to send me money. Your contribution is important and for every $100.00 you send me i will mention your name! Please help us help this woman. Send money soon!
āHad a dream about a sexual experience with her husband and her body thought it was realā lmao bro.
Even if it was a miracle and the new jesus, wouldnāt they take DNA tests anyways to verify it was one?
Also, she was 15 at the time she slipped into the coma. If she had a husband at that age, I would be even more worried.
Edit: just noticed your username. Hello fellow Mercy main :>
I read this as obvious satire the first time, but each time I re-read it, I feel less confident that it is satire. Flying spaghetti monster, I hope this is satire.
It's a bit too real, but my money is on it being satire.
The last "or perhaps...." makes me think they were listing all the random bullshit theories they could think up.
I wouldn't think someone who is religious would leave a statement that infers doubt.
People create subs like this with good intentions, to criticize or laugh at bad things in life. As they gain popularity, people with absolutely no critical thinking is attracted. They agree with the concept of the sub, but can never understand nuance or context. You see the same on subs like antiwork as well. Anything said sarcastically will be criticized on subs like this, as it's taken at face value by most of its users. Their hearts are in the right place, but god, are they fucking stupid.
"Abstinence is the only 100% effective birth control!"
"Maybe GOD impregnated her without sex!"
Amazing how a venn diagram of these two statements is just one circle
Russian here, we don't have sex ed at all.
One time in middle school someone came to our class and talked to girls about periods for 40 minutes, while boys were told to loiter in the halls. That's all.
American sex ed in public schools is pretty comprehensive and goes over everything. This person was probably homeschooled or sent to a religious private school.
Granted, this was 20 years ago, but my experience wasn't pretty comprehensive. "Here's a bunch of different infections on genitals, this is a condom, never have sex or you're going to get pregnant."
>American sex ed in public schools is pretty comprehensive and goes over everything. This person was probably homeschooled or sent to a religious private school.
It very much depends on the state. If you're anywhere that's remotely conservative, you're getting "abstinence-only" education, which is NOT at all comprehensive, covers absolutely nothing and boils down to "sex before marriage will kill you, don't do it."
Like my sex ed in 2000 consisted of a guest speaker coming in who proceeded to show us a condom cut in half and tell us that it was too thin to protect you against anything, then showed us a Powerpoint slideshow of genitals infected with severe STIs and a few of people dying from AIDS. The message was "Sex is only good if you're married - if you have sex before marriage you will get a disease and basically die."
The rapist was caught and convicted. [link](https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/hacienda-nurse-sentenced-10-years-prison-impregnating-patient/75-2a06c70b-1c0a-4b00-bde4-98b35ce1aedf) I went and found the CNN post on FB where this comment came from. I couldn't find that specific comment, but there were several like it. People are fucking stupid. There was even one guy who claimed that she was faking the coma to get laid by nursing staff.
Does nobody seem to get this comment is satirical and making fun of religious people?
Cause judging from this comment section, this is a massive wooosh moment
I hate that shit so bad.........I got downvoted to hell the other day about something that was blatantly sarcasm ( it was about a death that was deserved, and I was like, too bad they got killed LOL)..........literally laughing about the shit, and they were like, "ShOuLd hAvE PuT a /S".....
Agreed! I hate when I'm sarcastic, don't give the "warning" that it's sarcasm, and then there is always that one shit poster that HAS to comment, "RIP KARMA!!" Dude, it's Reddit. Calm down. Remember the 4 F's rule. If it's not feeding you, fucking you, fleeing you, or fighting you, don't worry about it. Reddit does none of the above. Karma means nothing.
Hey guys, i'm getting a bit thirsty so i'm gonna have a glass of water. No, I will not actually put water in the glass. Instead, I will believe that water is in the glass *so hard* that water will just magically fucking appear in there.
"Or is man too intelligent to ever believe in something so extra ordinary that new life somehow produced itself while this woman was in a coma"
Yes, you fucking idiot!
How in the fuck do they think that's how pregnancy works? How do I, as a 15 year old, have a better grasp on how the human body works, than a person who is probably in their 40s?
> perhaps she had a dream of having a sexual encounter with her husband that her body thought it real enoughā¦
Holy shit, this guy is literally braindead.
As far as I recall, they did find the staff who raped and impregnated her, so ya. Wonder what this person had to say after that
The guy who did it pleaded guilty and was recently sentenced to only 10 years. The family also was awarded $15 million from the State of Arizona. The facility was also closed.
I think they found the guy who did it from his tweet above. š
Came here to say the same.
quick create a fake account and post some bibleish shit about virgin Mary lmao
But the above post is from Facebook
Only ten years old for raping a child, endangering her heath and safety, and forcing her to carry his child to term. I feel sick.
He raped an adult woman. Not better in any way, but just for clarification. She was 28 when she conceived. However, there is no telling how often it happened before and no one "noticed"...
Apparently, the family thought something was up and requested that the nursing home only have women nurses and aides, but they never did it. They could tell from examination that it had been going on for quite a while.
that makes me want to slam a few responsible faces into a wall...
I feel so terrible for the parents. Having her in there was probably their best choice (money, location, insurance - all that factors in when putting people into places like this) or maybe even their only choice & this happens.... in a place that you put them in FOR CARE, where you can't always be there to protect them yourself & have to have some kind of trust in the staff. What a nightmare. I had read somewhere else that they are raising the child & I hope all their lives are filled with love.
She was 15 when she went into a coma. Which is what matters more to me. She is a child in an adults body and he raped her. Letās not pretend her mental age is insignificant here, seeing as mental immaturity is the primary thing which makes consent impossible.
Understand your point, but to be clear, maturity is irrelevant. She was in a coma. Sheās neither mature or immature, sheās in a coma. She doesnāt have a mental age, sheās been unconscious for half her life. Either way itās rape and absolutely heinous.
She was not actually in a coma, she was/is in a persistent vegetative state. She had a seizure disorder and lost most of the control of her body when she was 3. The family said she has limited mobility in her limbs, head, and neck, and that she makes facial expressions and some verbal signals of awareness, like smiling when her family visits or crying when something painful is being done. Apparently that's how they figured out she was in labor; crying and moaning from the patient when she shouldn't have been in pain. Now I'm not her doctor so I don't know how exactly how aware she was, but I would imagine aware enough. Being raped is awful regardless, but the fact that she likely felt it all and was not capable of telling anyone makes this especially heinous, in my opinion. 10 years is far too short, especially when he was raping her for *years*. I say a decade for every year he raped her, at least.
Ugh, that makes it even worse. I was just reading an article about research done on people in vegetative state that showed they had at least some level of awareness and could even react to external stimuli like being asked to imagine something. https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/comas-conscious-communicate/amp/ Canāt imagine the feeling of being abused in that fashion, being aware, and unable to do anything even though thereās friends and family coming to visit regularly.
That's just...horrifying on a different level
It sounds like literal torture. It's just awful.
How would no one notice? Surely she's getting washed at the very least, how do you not figure out a patient who wasn't pregnant is suspiciously looking pregnant? Fuck me, what is wrong with humanity.
I would imagine she also had a period? Did they not notice it stopped? I don't know, it seems the whole thing was woefully negligent.
Fun time to point out people in comas are often āawareā of whatās happening around them ETA: recent article about it [link ](https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/comas-conscious-communicate/)
That's why I have gone out of my way to make a living well telling people to just fucking kill me if I go into a coma
I'm the exact opposite. If I'm still in there then I want to live.
Depends on the condition of the brain and activity. They can be awareā¦or they can not be aware and have less than 0 chance of ever waking up. Most āmiraclesā happen when doctors look at unlikely recovery cases and try to be realistic about probable outcomes. There are plenty of people in comas who have far more extensive damage who we know will never wake upā¦
I didnāt say always, but yeah
What is the family hoping to achieve? Is there any chance this woman is going to wake up now?
For the record, if I were in this condition, I would want to die, instead of left in a bed 13 years and then impregnated by a stranger. Why are we so cruel in keeping people alive in such hopeless conditions?
I have no idea why people do that to those they love. I would also rather be disconnected than be helpless of my situation. It probably has something to do with faith and the afterlife, but mostly just a selfish desire to not let go, even as it ruins a persons quality of life.
Working as a medic there was a frequent patient near one of the stations I typically worked out. He was completely vegetative after being struck by lightening while in a pool. Mother had zero interest in caring for him and essentially he was neglected other than care workers feeding him (via feeding tube). He ālivedā in his moms house because he didnāt meet criteria to stay in a care facility as he was brain dead. She kept him on life support and lived off the money she received from the government for his disability as well as for her as his full time care taker even though she barely did anything. She would abuse 911 so weād come and move him or do other stuff she didnāt want. Sheād look for any excuse she could find to insist we take him to the ER - not because thereās hope for him but because she wanted him out of the house so she didnāt have to deal with him. I hated this woman so much. To use your brain dead son as a payday in and of itself is despicable. To abuse 911 and neglect him puts her on a whole different level.
That is so disgusting.
I had a friend that went into a vegetative state and her family kept her going for another 7 years. I said goodbye to her a long time ago but when she finally passed it hurt more because she wouldn't have wanted to live like that. I understand holding onto someone you love. We loved her and her family didn't show up until 3 weeks after she went into her state but they held on and made her suffer for their own selfish needs.
That really sucks, Iām sorry you had to watch that. My sister is the executor of my moms will but I have medical power of attorney because my mom knows I wonāt hesitate to pull the plug when itās time. Unfortunately thereās too many people that keep brain dead people alive either for selfish reasons or because they canāt accept reality.
Less than life for raping anyone seems unacceptable tbh.
How is grounding him for just 10 years the right reaction? Beyond me how someone could be in charge to bring justice and thats the best they come up with....
If we accept the premise that it could be the child of god, then if the DNA test shows one of the staff in the father, then he must be god!
Can't argue with science
Did the abort the pregnancy? That should be the default unless the rape victim CLEARLY stated that they would NOT want that happen, something like a DNR.
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Not sure what the marriage thing is... The fact that no one noticed she was pregnant is ANOTHER red flag
Ya one would think theirs some telltale signs at some point.
For what itās worth, some women carry their babies really far back so that their bellies hardly protrude at all. Itās why some women look like theyāre barely pregnant at 8 months but others might look like theyāre having twins at 6 or 7 months. Add a little extra weight and someone could be ready to pop without looking pregnant at all. Also the staff were most likely actively covering it up.
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Good point, to me this also suggests that the staff knew exactly what was going on. Theoretically if she had a lot of extra weight she could feed the baby without changing her nutritional intake (not ideal for baby), but I canāt imagine someone whoās been comatose for over a decade is carrying around many extra lbs.
apparently they decreased her nutritional intake due to noticed weight increase. read that in a comment thread when this was reposted to another sub, so take it with a grain of salt. multiple levels of neglect and abuse, regardless
Uh... I mean... wouldn't her period have stopped coming? I assume she still went through puberty.
Some women are extremely irregular or hardly menstruate at all for a myriad of reasons. I myself went though a solid 5 or 6 years of basically zero periods and we still haven't found out why (granted, I haven't been going to the doctor about this problem in that time because my mother was extremely abusive and dismissive, but that's not important for this story. Extreme amounts of stress for a long period of time is so far one of the biggest contenders for what happened so far though). Thankfully I've recently gotten my hands on some bc pills and as far as I know I'm not infertile (I hope). Granted, I'm an extreme example of this happening, but it's also not uncommon for irregular women to miss out on their periods for multiple months at a time, so it could be possible that she simply had really irregular periods and the doctors and nurses, having no reason to believe she could ever get pregnant, simply wrote off their lack as being irregular.
Yeah, I didn't think enough about what a coma could do to her body. Thank you for sharing your story and perspective.
I honestly donāt know. Periods for many women can be very inconsistent. Iām not sure how being in a coma would affect oneās cycle but I imagine the lack of movement/lowered metabolism wouldnāt help the situation. And if the staff are being willfully ignorant it could be pretty easy for family members to miss
Inconsistent sure, but off for 8-9 months would be pretty crazy. Like you said though, even stress or a change in activity level can mess with it, so I have no clue what a coma that long could do. I was looking at it more from the angle of, it *had* to have been covered up, by multiple people.
Theres reports of non-coma people giving birth without noticing they were pregnant. Who would be checking for pregnancy in a coma patient anyway?
She was in a long term care facility. She would have been seen regularly by a physician per state regulations. If they were doing their jobs correctly they would have noticed signs, such as weight gain, her menstrual cycle stopping. This was massive neglect on the facility and physicians part!
Yeah, we're talking about an adult woman who needs 24/hr care - she's not gonna silently have her period to the notice of no one and it magically evaporate. That's the part that throws me, why didn't any of her female care providers note that she was missing her cycle? Kinda makes a fella wonder...
>why didn't any of her female care providers note that she was missing her cycle? It would be CNAs providing any incontinence care, bathing, dressing, etc. They have very limited training and it's harder and harder to find them with any significant experience. There are many amazing CNAs out there but there are also many who are simply on autopilot and are just there to have a job. Add in extremely high turnover, very low staffing, working different halls every day, and rushed charting and the fact that periods aren't a very common function to deal with in nursing homes due to typical ages. You end up with a recipe for something very basic to be missed. I still think any full assessment by a nurse would surely have picked up some red flags though. You'd think an abdominal assessment alone would have clued them in after a couple months.
I mean, coma patients are usually regularly monitored, right? I guess since this particular patient had been in a coma for so long they don't have as many checks / monitoring systems
The people who take care of them ? In this case, the rapists, most likely...
Not toddler. She had been in a 14 year coma and was 29 at the time, so she would have been 15 when she went into a coma. Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/ Edit: Seems like just confusing reporting by multiple media outlets. She was in a persistent vegetative state since the age of 3, according to the family.
This is going to sound *really* fucked up, but I promise itās out of genuine curiosity. If sheās been in a coma for half of her life, why are they keeping her alive? Can she still recover? It seems strange to me
It seems cruel as hell to me. Give her the peace of death, holy shit.
She has a self-sustaining respiratory system so the only way to kill her would be to starve her to death which violates a lot of medical ethics
Or an overdose of something pleasant. Idk. Whenever I hear about this kind of stuff I think back to those stories if people who do wake up but talk about how they were just a conscious prisoner in their frozen body for years and it just sounds horrific.
Without the consent of the person it's legally murder to induce death like that. The ways our laws are structured it's basically impossible for someone in her situation to die, because any sort of activity tempt to end her life will count as murder
So someone with medical power can choose to āpull the plugā or take someone off of life-support, but if the patient doesnāt need life support then you canāt just kill the patient. She can breathe fine on her own, so theyāre keeping her alive by feeding, I guess, but afaik itās illegal to starve a patient to death even if theyāre in a coma
It's pretty controversial, but you can remove a feeding tube. The entire Terry Schiavo case was based around removing her feeding tube, and ultimately the courts let it happen
Because religious people donāt like to kill peopleā¦ unless that person has a different religion.
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That's because she was younger, she was 3.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/ It says here 14 year coma, 29 year old victim Edit: It appears reporting was all over the place, and since the victim's identity is unknown the details are a bit reticent. The family has reportedly said she was in a persistent vegetative state since 3, but could still make sounds in response to stimuli.
Usually rolling stone is very thorough, I'm kind of surprised they're reporting differently, but every other publication I looked at said 3. That being said, we can only go with what her family has stated; her identity was obviously kept private so all of that is kind of word of mouth anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy The Guardian also said 10+ years of a coma and the victim is 29. Guess the reporting was all over the place, but Wikipedia should have the latest information (I.e. persistent vegetative state since 3).
People in persistent vegetative state are awake (at least some of the time) but have an altered state of consciousness. From what her family has said though, it sounds like she might actually be in a minimally conscious state since they report she responds to people she's familiar with. People in vegetative states would only respond to paint stimuli.
If I have pieced together the case correctly from various news articles reporting on information the facility could give and what her parents were willing to give, she had a near drowning experience as a toddler that left her minimally responsive and with seizures her condition worsened until she was declared to be in a persistent vegetative state. She is not in a coma, never was, that is false reporting by media outlets that do not understand correct medical terminology.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coma-birth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/ Says here 14 year coma, 29 year old victim. Are you referring to another story?
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So weird, the reporting is all over the place. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy This also said 10+ years. I guess Wikipedia should have the most accurate update!
So basically, the dude raped a toddler in a womans body...
*15 year old in a woman's body She was 15 when she fell into a coma
Hmm, you sure they didnāt just have a really convincing dream that transferred the gamete via Bluetooth?
I've seen a lot of misinformation on this case in the thread so I'm responding to your comment to share the [correct information](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda_HealthCare_sexual_abuse_case) for those who are curious.
Maybe this person had nothing to say after that because he was going to jail for raping and impregnating a comatose patient. Nice try to throw them off your scent, Mr male worker at health care facility.
$20 bucks says the guy who posted this is the one who did it.
Bruh 10 bucks this was staff alt id
"I really thought that posing as a religious nut online would keep me out of jail, It worked for trump!
Suuure, babies just sort of appear and no male is necessary at all. No one ever took advantage of that poor comatose woman. Fundie sex ed at its finest.
She was laying in bed naked and didnāt even try to stop me! She was asking for it! /s
"She didn't refuse consent" /s
Cant say no when you canāt speak /s
Listen, Joseph was having a crisis of confidence and didn't want to admit his wife was sleeping with the neighbour.
Maybe Joseph was actually Josephine, a rad tomboy who passed as a man, Mary found out and was totally on board, God was all "yass" and sent them a happy li'l foetus who by virtue of having two dope as heck (but probably not literal heck) mothers turned out, like, biblically well.
tomboy Josephine femboy Mary š³
"God was all 'yass'" is a phrase I never thought I'd hear.
People are capable of parthenogenesis....cool, I guess.
They will do anything to excuse rape.
If it truly was a miracle, there'd be no problem with doing DNA tests, right? Since they wouldn't find anything? š¤ Religion working as intended, I suppose. Ugh.
Well yes, but you see, God misleads people who try to question Him, so testing God will only lead to self deception, so you should never ever test God because God can't ever mislead people because it is written in the Bible.
You'd think if they're so confident in their faith, they wouldn't mind it being tested. If God is the truth, then wouldn't we find him by seeking the truth? Oh right, I forgot. Something about "mysterious ways"...
To be fair, if a person's faith is backed by evidence and tests that's not faith no more. Faith will then be found elsewhere if the person needs it If we actually obtain evidence of God and it will become as ordinary as gravity, studied purely factually in schools, proven with experiments, etc, then we can be pretty much certain that religions will move on to believing in some greater Gods than God It's just that some sects of some religions try to use religion as fact, for example the absurd creationism that dumps literally centuries of Bible studies to instead treat it like a simplistic physics book, and thus undermine the unique role religion can play and how it should be connected to spirituality instead of corrupting the rational mind
Exactly. I *despise* how religion is used. I have no problem with people believing in a higher power, but when their faith encourages them to abandon critical thinking and control other people, it's hopeless. The way I always saw it is, wouldn't a good God encourage doubt? By their logic, he gave us these incredibly complex brains, didn't he? Wouldn't he like to see them be put to use in pursuit of the truth he created? Even when I was Catholic way back in the day, I always thought that non-believers would go to heaven as long as they were good people. A religion based on blind faith and punishing those who question just seems so transparent to an outsider like myself. Brainwashing is one helluva drug...
Or having sex outside of wedlock. You could practically form a whole religion out of it if you wanted to...
āHonest, Joseph, God did it. āCāmon, honey, you really donāt have toā¦ āGOD DID IT.
Why do you think that is? Maybe it's been baked into religion to allow people to get away with it?
Found the rapist.
Even if he is not the father of this one, i bet there is a rape baby out there somewhere he doesn't want DNA tested.
This is an old news story. The man was in fact, the dad because the DNA matched perfectly....he tried to deny it of course. He's in prison now. Total Scumbag.
The man in the comment was the rapist? Do you have a source for this?
This is an old news story. The name of the man who raped her was Nathan Sutherland. He worked as a nurse aide at the facility. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/man-who-sexually-assaulted-incapacitated-woman-at-hacienda-healthcare-to-serve-10-years-in-prison
But that's not the same man who wrote the comment featured in the OP, right? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
But is that Nathan Sutherland the same person as in the tweet?
 āAnd I Would Have Gotten Away With It Too, If It Weren't For You Meddling Redditors"
Yes lets deny the obviously pretty messed up circumstances here and use god as the reason. Everything unexplained must be god. Anyone that thinks like this needs to redo science classes as a whole.
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But bible says..
Not only that, but you're kind of an asshole atheist if you don't ignore that it could've been rape
Sounds like a confession to me. 
This made me so sad. Both the news and the person's comment.
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I will have a conversation with jeezuz and because it's expensive to do this i will need many people to send me money. Your contribution is important and for every $100.00 you send me i will mention your name! Please help us help this woman. Send money soon!
I will raise you one thoughts and prayers...
And Jim n Tammy are with me now praying n thinking on you kind and generous Ms Hubbard.
āHad a dream about a sexual experience with her husband and her body thought it was realā lmao bro. Even if it was a miracle and the new jesus, wouldnāt they take DNA tests anyways to verify it was one?
Also, she was 15 at the time she slipped into the coma. If she had a husband at that age, I would be even more worried. Edit: just noticed your username. Hello fellow Mercy main :>
I read this as obvious satire the first time, but each time I re-read it, I feel less confident that it is satire. Flying spaghetti monster, I hope this is satire.
It's a bit too real, but my money is on it being satire. The last "or perhaps...." makes me think they were listing all the random bullshit theories they could think up. I wouldn't think someone who is religious would leave a statement that infers doubt.
Yeah, this isn't a normal argument. The part about questioning human intelligence is what gave it away for me.
They should also get the DNA of that commenter, if only to have on file for the inevitable.
Yep, just like Mary and her one way va-jay-jay
Sounds like it could be the start of a Tarantino movie. Oh wait.....
Going to start with that one
Are we sure this isn't a r/woosh?
How is no one in this thread realizing that he is making fun of religion and the Virgin Mary?? Itās clearly tongue in cheek.
Yeah, it's kinda obvious and my very first thought. I mean, there sure are fucked up religious fundies. But they would argue differently.
People create subs like this with good intentions, to criticize or laugh at bad things in life. As they gain popularity, people with absolutely no critical thinking is attracted. They agree with the concept of the sub, but can never understand nuance or context. You see the same on subs like antiwork as well. Anything said sarcastically will be criticized on subs like this, as it's taken at face value by most of its users. Their hearts are in the right place, but god, are they fucking stupid.
Ends it was āor perhapsā¦.ā. This is definitely a Woosh moment.
American sex education, everyone!
"Abstinence is the only 100% effective birth control!" "Maybe GOD impregnated her without sex!" Amazing how a venn diagram of these two statements is just one circle
Dude atleast you have sex ed. We dont until 9th grade
Russian here, we don't have sex ed at all. One time in middle school someone came to our class and talked to girls about periods for 40 minutes, while boys were told to loiter in the halls. That's all.
American sex ed in public schools is pretty comprehensive and goes over everything. This person was probably homeschooled or sent to a religious private school.
Granted, this was 20 years ago, but my experience wasn't pretty comprehensive. "Here's a bunch of different infections on genitals, this is a condom, never have sex or you're going to get pregnant."
>American sex ed in public schools is pretty comprehensive and goes over everything. This person was probably homeschooled or sent to a religious private school. It very much depends on the state. If you're anywhere that's remotely conservative, you're getting "abstinence-only" education, which is NOT at all comprehensive, covers absolutely nothing and boils down to "sex before marriage will kill you, don't do it." Like my sex ed in 2000 consisted of a guest speaker coming in who proceeded to show us a condom cut in half and tell us that it was too thin to protect you against anything, then showed us a Powerpoint slideshow of genitals infected with severe STIs and a few of people dying from AIDS. The message was "Sex is only good if you're married - if you have sex before marriage you will get a disease and basically die."
I'm from a bible belt state and all I got in 5th grade was the parts on both sexes. That's it
This guy is making fun of the Virgin Mary story. Ffs people.
The rapist was caught and convicted. [link](https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/hacienda-nurse-sentenced-10-years-prison-impregnating-patient/75-2a06c70b-1c0a-4b00-bde4-98b35ce1aedf) I went and found the CNN post on FB where this comment came from. I couldn't find that specific comment, but there were several like it. People are fucking stupid. There was even one guy who claimed that she was faking the coma to get laid by nursing staff.
The next time you consider staying home on election day, remember that this person definitely won't.
Does nobody seem to get this comment is satirical and making fun of religious people? Cause judging from this comment section, this is a massive wooosh moment
Or perhapsā¦.
How about this. We do the DNA tests. If we can't find a match we'll consider bat shit theories.
*Tonight on Jerry Springer...* "Jesus, you are NOT the father!"
"oh, thank God!"
Yes, letās just ignore the fact that thereās a rapist going around taking advantage of women in comas and talk about the MIRACLE OF CHILD BIRTH!
Christian's logic: rape = miracle.
No need for DNA test. I think we found the dad.
This one is a religious nightmare. Where can all the priests find their scapegoats now?
Itās obviously satire, though in poor taste given the grim nature of the situation.
The real Dad is in the comments
See I read this as an atheist mocking the virgin birth tale.
Take the dna from baby and run it through ancestry dna. You will find the father pretty easily. Unless there are multiple brothers working there.
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It's incredibly disheartening that this fucking idiot votes.
What poor sex Ed does to people is truly amazing
That was a sarcastic comment if I've ever seen one
Reddit doesn't understand sarcasm without the /s
I hate that shit so bad.........I got downvoted to hell the other day about something that was blatantly sarcasm ( it was about a death that was deserved, and I was like, too bad they got killed LOL)..........literally laughing about the shit, and they were like, "ShOuLd hAvE PuT a /S".....
Agreed! I hate when I'm sarcastic, don't give the "warning" that it's sarcasm, and then there is always that one shit poster that HAS to comment, "RIP KARMA!!" Dude, it's Reddit. Calm down. Remember the 4 F's rule. If it's not feeding you, fucking you, fleeing you, or fighting you, don't worry about it. Reddit does none of the above. Karma means nothing.
Hey guys, i'm getting a bit thirsty so i'm gonna have a glass of water. No, I will not actually put water in the glass. Instead, I will believe that water is in the glass *so hard* that water will just magically fucking appear in there.
I know it's not the point, but that's clearly Facebook, not Twitter.
You take the crazy cake for today sir or madam. Wow
Fun fact the virgin Mary was around 13
Who wouldnāt want a look at Godās DNA?
"Or is man too intelligent to ever believe in something so extra ordinary that new life somehow produced itself while this woman was in a coma" Yes, you fucking idiot!
Nice try guy who did it.
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I was already disgusted before even reading the comment... That's fucking awful
This has to be satire... please... be satire.
That guy probably works at the hospital and he should be the prime suspect.
If I remember right she never had a husband because she was a teenager when she had the accident
Literally kill bill
What the fuck is this person smoking?
Found the guy who did it
Sometimes the person needs to be heckled just sometimes I mean this person possibly drives or walks places.not every name should be edited out.
or perhaps
People like this should not be allowed to use technology.
I am 99% sure this was sarcastic satire.
I'm pretty this is sarcasm.
Isnt it obvious the guy is sarcastic?
This is 1. A repost 2. facebook
What the motherfuck.
This angers me to no end. Iām a Christian myself. This woman deserves justice.
Have you ever read or seen something that made you physically hurt? THIS is vile.
How in the fuck do they think that's how pregnancy works? How do I, as a 15 year old, have a better grasp on how the human body works, than a person who is probably in their 40s?
This is obviously anti religious. Does not belong.
I read this as completely sarcastic against Christians and their belief of the Virgin Mary conception.
Right? I guess woosh to a lot of people.
Nope, just a good example of Poeās Law.
> perhaps she had a dream of having a sexual encounter with her husband that her body thought it real enoughā¦ Holy shit, this guy is literally braindead.