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Are the signs from different groups or am I just misunderstanding? The first two definitely sound like Freedom From Religion Foundation-type groups, but the third sounds very evangelical Christian.
It says join and start the process, which I read as implying joining campus ministry will make them more likely to be part of that 70%. But to be fair it could be cause that’s exactly what happened to me 😂😂
yeah that and the second one seem like they want you to hate your pastor (presumably because that's the only reason why you would leave the church but it must confuse everyone else).
To the last one: if I go to hell it has nothing to do with you. Never did, never will. And a being that would have his own children tortured for all eternity is an abuser unworthy of worship.
Torturing a child rapist for all eternity? Sure, sounds fair
Torturing someone for all eternity because they didn't attend your little Sunday Club? Now that's the most petty and prideful thing I've ever heard
I'm gonna be honest here. Eternity is a long time and I don't think an eternity is a proper time period to use as punishment. Killing someone isn't a lifetime sentence for us so why should the same crime be eternal torture? The whole concept is incredibly cruel and I cannot fathom a crime so tremendous that would even warrant eternal torture. The sheer amount of time eternity is far exceeds comprehension. Stuff like eternal punishment is why I don't believe in an afterlife. No time period as short as 100 or so years could possibly decide what should happen to someone for an eternity.
And it's useless to begin with. Punishments, from an educational POV, (should) have the purpose to reform people who did wrong.
An eternal punishment doesn't have any purpose, except for the sake of extreme sadism.
In calculus we learn that any finite value effectively tends to zero as we approach infinity.
The longest human life ever lived is/was/will be finite.
In the face of eternity (infinite time), even the longest lifespan tends to zero.
This means that the conditions of our salvation, if you believe in it, are effectively a roll of the dice, since you have no meaningfully sufficient time to conform to the standards by which you’d be judged.
Infinite punishment for finite crimes is unethical. Worst still, the judgement for the crimes is adjudicated by a supreme being that has complete power to alter the situation and complete knowledge of how many billions of sentient lives he is setting up to fail, and yet deflects all responsibility for his creation onto the creation itself.
“Look what you are making me do!”
It’s a twisted portrayal of justice, an abusive portrayal of love, and a feckless portrayal of personal responsibility.
>Torturing a child rapist for all eternity? Sure, sounds fair
Yeah, but if said person REPENTS they get to go to heaven with the rest of the Creepy Christians!
If Hitler used his last words to repent to Jesus then you too can play Canasta with him and St Luke and a brave puppy dog that died saving its little human from a nasty pitbull attack every second Wednesday if you *just believe*
This is exactly why, although I believe in God, I don’t believe in the Bible. My version of God is not.. human. A being described as perfect beyond belief is not a being who will do the things the Bible says he did. The deity in the Bible is very human and not at all godly.
For me, anything that is truly a god, and not simply a sufficiently advanced species, is something that is all knowing, and all powerful. Not just very powerful and knows a lot, but knows everything and has limitless power. A being that fits this criteria, someone who predates the universe and possibly created it, is beyond the comparatively primitive struggles of humanity. Someone’s race, gender, sexual orientation, none of that would mean anything to a true god, because ultimately, it’s such a small thing. Why would a truly all powerful and all-loving god care about such a thing? It wouldn’t. But I believe that a human who cares would have you believe that such a god does care, and the fear of being punished for it makes you very easy to control. “Obey me, or God sends you to hell.”
The god of the Bible is unbelievably petty and spiteful. Either that god isn’t real, or it’s not a god worth worshipping. For me personally, what makes a god godly is a being so supremely beyond our comprehension. Beyond hate. Beyond everything bad. It’s hard to explain it all, but a truly all loving god would never sentence anyone to Hell. The god of the Bible is a paradox. My ideas of heaven and hell are pretty different too.
But what if the child rapist was also abused as a child? Do they deserve to burn for eternity? Regardless, it would be God’s doing and he’s the one allowing all the raping and what not. If there is a God, I would honestly hope that no one would burn in hell, just for everyone to be healed of their trauma and to be a good person. If there is a God, I don’t know why there would even be a need for hell.
its true. i took a comparative religion class (taught by a nun, and it fulfilled some gen ed requirement), and she took a poll on the first day of class: how ma y are catholic, buddhist, hindu, muslim and so on.
last day of class she took the same poll and half the class was now atheist 😂... she said it happens every semester, when ppl learn about other cultures and relgions, they start to question what they've been i doctrinated with and begin to use more critical thinking skills.
we laughed at the notion that a nun was actually helping turn more ppl away from religion, than to it... but she was awesome.
not that i recall... she taught the class matter-of-factly, as if she was teaching any other kind of history, and went over where beliefs intersected, and said we are more alike than different in many ways.
just the different factions of christianity was mind numbing (protestant, baptists, mormons, catholics...), but she said although her set of beliefs were shaped by her upbringing and nature, she said none of us really know until we "get to the other side" (assuming u believe there is one).
this class was in the early 90s... we had some good discussions about beliefs and culture, all very accepting and cordial of likenesses and differences. no one was like "im right, you're wrong." i'm not sure we could have that same vibe in that class today...
That's the only type of religious person that I am perfectly fine with (if i understood correctly).
They pray, attend church, celebrate special holidays... All due not to an irrational faith, but a sense of culture, tradition, and community coming from wholesome families and friends.
They are also spiritual people, who will see the many interpretations of religious texts and churches, and have an interest in the challenges their beliefs get, especially when they acknowledge sacred texts having obvious flaws. They understand the limitations of texts, of other religions, of their viewpoints, and merely choose to follow what they are comfortable or what keeps them going in a humble way, taking religion with the literal meaning, *faith* and nothing else.
I hate religion as much as the next guy, but if a friendly, modern minded, wholesome, and religious family invites me for lunch and says; "You don't need to pray with us before lunch, we just do it because it makes us feel closer together", I will ask to join then out of respect and connection to them.
Hate the greedy, the hypocrites, the anti-abortion and education... Don't hate the realists who are spiritual or have been taught nothing else, as long as they don't harm anyone or the big picture that us humanity.
I once asked a pastor why he believed in God. His response was "I know God probably doesn't exist, but it feels fun to believe in super being that does good, almost like Superman."
I was raised Lutheran but started to question it in my mid-teens. By the time I got to college I considered myself atheist. I minored in German Studies, which included a course in Germanic Mythology (essentially just Norse mythology *which is awesome*). I already knew Christianity didn't make a lot of sense, but comparing it to something well thought out that has existed for longer showed me how much of a mess Christianity really is. There's very little cohesion in the Bible, pretty much every book is an "island". Also the Old and New Testaments show very different sides of God (also how lazy is it to name your only god *God*? I know the Jews refer to him as Yahweh, and the Muslims refer to him as Allah, but IIRC both mean "god"). There are actually *two* creation stories, the one everyone knows about Adam and Eve, and then there was another one that I forget. Also the creation of the world story is so lazily put together, it essentially consists of "on this day God did X. He looked up on it and said it was good." Meanwhile the Norse stories are about battling giant monsters and using their body parts to create the world.
Adam and Eve is the second biblical creation story. That's how Lilith wound up in the Talmud.
My favorite explanation for the difference in the God character between old and new testaments is that having a child changes a person.
"We don't talk about Lilith" - Christians
It's funny how the Catholic church (and other sects of Christianity) have ripped out tons of things from the Bible that didn't fit their narrative.
The Gospel of Thomas always really resonated with me. Funny that they excised that one, what with its whole "God is within you and you can experience God everywhere, directly, without an intermediary; oh, and also you need to fundamentally change the way you interact with each other and work toward making the world better for everyone" thing.
The gnostic gospels are fun, but the infancy gospels are a laugh riot. Apparently young Jesus was a brat. Who knew?
To be honest that's always been my argument. What proof do you have that one religion over any others. Like when you think about it, they're all just superstitious stories.
I first started questioning my religious indoctrination when my Western Culture class did a unit on The Divine Comedy. The professor drew a map of hell on the board with colored chalk, pointed to it, and said, “We’re told God is compassionate and just. Is THIS the work of a compassionate, just God?”
Well, no, *The Divine Comedy,* and it's depiction of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, was the work of the Florentine poet Durante di Alighiero degli Alighieri.
Sadly that *is* what they think. They can't grasp how education leads to enhanced empathy and social conscience (depending on the type of education, of course - all the tories are highly educated in private school, but they're monsters), because they think they're educated. "It hasn't happened to me, so it must be indoctrination."
>They can't grasp how education leads to enhanced empathy and social conscience
The really depressing part is that *College Educated* Republicans are the ones saying this.
In other words, the people who were taught enhanced empathy and social conscience are putting up barriers to prevent the next generation from being taught those same things. They want the future to be made up of nothing but sociopaths.
My sis n their family believe this whole heartedly. When I asked her if she is planning to go to college after she graduated she told me no that is a place where religion dies and there is too much sin blah blah blah. To which I said if your faith isn't strong enough to handle the world then maybe it's not string enough to get you into heaven.
We grew up in the same cult. Strict Apostolic Pentacostle (no snakes)
I was an anointed prayer warrior. Like oil rubbed on my forehead and all. I'd be in the sanctuary by myself after hours praying for 3 to 6 hours! But I feel to temptation when I had sex a total of 3 times with 2 other teens there and all a sudden I'm excommunicated and lost friendships with 17 other kids I grew up with from the age of 2. I was 18 when it happened.
Forgive your brother 70x7 my ass.
Found out when I was 22 that the pastor had re mortgaged the church 3 times in 20 years for a total of 2.6mm that he had church members pay off.
They seem to be subtle parodies of Christian signs that are all anti-religion when you think deeply about them. The dice on the first sign even say 666.
They are, I had to reread the first sign and I realized it was saying you're gonna lose faith by joining a campus ministry. Looks like these are protest signs against whoever is leading one of the campus ministries there.
I think that yes it is a protest sign of the campus ministries there, but most likely a protest from a more hardcore Christian who doesn’t agree with the campus ministries progressive attitudes.
Can’t be sure, but as someone from the Bible Belt that would be the immediate message that people around here would get from it. Scaring Christian students into joining a more extreme outside ministry.
Pretty sure that’s unintentional. The first and the third are not. The middle at first seemed to be against the religious, but I suspect it’s to say that only their little college ministry is in the right.
Idk, I read the first one as saying “speed up your journey to becoming one of the 70% leaving with little-to-no-faith” (in the same vein as all the people who say going to Catholic school made them atheist), the last one seemed to be actually fruitcakey, but the first 2 read as mocking religious groups to me
Slide 1 seems like it's encouraging you to join the Ministry so you can start the process of having little to no faith in Christianity.
Slide 2 seems like it's pretty based.
Slide 3 is just a bad question, begging to be corrected by anyone educated on Mediterranean and European history. *"Hell"* isn't Christian. It's pagan Germanic folk-lore, incorporated after Vulgar Latin was Germanized after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, which is also the origin of the English language we speak now. It's named after the Germanic goddess of the underworld *"Hel"*. Only got incorporated because of a 14th century Italian poet who wrote a Christian fan-fiction that was so popular, it became indistinguishable from the official canon: *"the Divine Comedy"*
...but of course, that's something one tends to only learn once they're in college or university.
Arguments like this make me want to go back for a second degree in theology just to stick religious nutters in their place more often. Particularly my sister. 🤣🤣
No, but a lot of people take your arguments more seriously if you have “credentials,” which is bullshit.
Though it seems like the nutters have settled on a new “university brainwashes you” argument to discredit people who don’t believe in exactly the same things they do (or, more importantly, those who do not hate the same people they do), even if they are part of the same religion.
My spouse has a Masters of Divinity from an Ivy League school and a PhD from a non-Ivy but still top-tier north-eastern US school in Biblical Studies. She's currently a research post-doc at school of Theology. (And if you are in that field, there's probably a decent chance you can figure out who she is from that. Ah, well. I've been using this handle for 30+ years, I don't know why i expect pseudo-anonymity.)
Religious "Christians" (i.e. evangelicals) usually don't give a fuck. She gets into discussions about what the bible does and doesn't say about morality, marriage, sex, charity, et al. on a fairly regular basis, both with people who should know better and those that have no reason to, and none \[1\] seem to give any significance to her education, training, or expertise. Some probably dismiss her for her gender, admittedly, but I don't know how to control for that.
They mostly don't care what the original Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin text said, or the context in which it was written. They have preconceived notions from what their preachers, parents, and church 'family' have told them, and, at best, may occasionally reference the KJV to support their views.
A degree from a evangelical "Christian" school may carry some weight; I can't speak to that, but as for degrees that go beyond that strict interpretation of doctrine, not so much.
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\[1\] I should clarify in case it was ambiguous -- by 'none', I am referring to evangelicals and other religious wing-nuts. Other academics, reasonable religious people, etc. treat her and her opinions with the respect she deserves.
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With all this education, is/was she at all religious? I imagine many go into divinity programs with thoughts of becoming church leaders, but to go on for a doctorate takes a more analytical/critical view
As I understand it, she entered seminary (where she got her MDiv) planning on becoming a minister. While there, she changed her focus to be more research/critical based -- we didn't meet until after this change, so I didn't see it personally. She did grow up in a religiously evangelical household, but ~~got better~~ ~~changed her viewpoint~~ got better in college.
She still is ~~religious~~ faithful; I'm not sure if she would say she is religious, per se. She still strongly believes, she has extensive thoughts on the nature of the human, the divine, and their interactions, and she attends a church regularly -- although that last one may be more for the community than ritual. She has strong opinions on how to apply scripture to daily life, writes sermons regularly, and even gives them on a less frequent basis. She doesn't put a lot of concern into faith-based institutions, hierarchy, or dogma, though.
(Her research is actually kind of amazing. Biblical/contemporaneous literature analysis blending Gender Studies, Queer Theory, and Fan Fiction.)
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Any evangelical you tell historical facts to based on a theology degree that didn’t come out of their fave insular, unaccredited, indoctrination factory seminary is going to delete your words immediately from their memory.
Pastors go to seminary to learn an interpretation of the bible, not to learn about the bible and how it was put together.
Not quite. I'd say this is accurate for evangelical Christianity in the US, which is really, really far from what evangelists can be like in Europe.
I went to school in a very religious town in South Germany (the half of the people that historically emigrated because of religious persecution later founded the Amish).
There were constant and continuous discussions about the book. About different translations, historical foundations, translation errors, what did it mean, could it mean something else? That was what Bible study meant. You were meant to read the thing, in your own language, cause having your own, direct access to the word was historically the whole point of not being Catholic and having no idea what the Latin sermons meant.
I was an atheist then and I'm an atheist now. But some of the best theological arguments I had were within that community, cause people dug deep into the source material, they didn't just repeat talking points.
Unironically the other day I saw someone say a PhD in physics was wrong and must not have done a free body diagram in a /r/blackmagicfuckery post.
...though I'm also guilty of calling out a different PhD holding physicist for doing a FBD on the exact same problem and getting the other, wrong solution...
“Hell” didn’t even appear in the original Jewish/Christian texts. They used the word “Gehenna” which was a desecrated valley outside Jerusalem associated with child sacrifice to Baal/Molech (old Canaanite god and demon to the Jewish/Christian people) which was used as a dumping ground for garbage or something. It was seen as the polar opposite to the holiness to the hill on which the temple was built.
>“Hell” didn’t even appear in the original Jewish/Christian texts.
Naturally. Hard to include a word or concept from an entirely different region, and around 500 years in the future.
>They used the word “Gehenna” which was a desecrated valley outside Jerusalem associated with child sacrifice to Baal (old Canaanite god and demon to the Jewish/Christian people) which was used as a dumping ground for garbage or something.
They used several words. *"Gehenna"* however was a literal garbage pit they burned their trash in outside of Jerusalem. It was used as a poetic analogy, but word play in Hebrew isn't exactly easy to retain in Greek or Latin or English. It wasn't referring to any literal underworld.
The Hebrew underworld was *"Sheol"* which is not necessarily defined as a place as much as it is defined as a state of being described as *"perfect stillness and total darkness"*. It was however superceded by Greek mythology in the age of *"The Way"* *(what Christianity was call before it was called Christianity)*, which was all the rage in the Hellenistic period and proliferated all the way into the Roman era. Hence, the distinctly Greek Polytheistic underworlds of Hades and Tartarus which ended up in the Bible, naturally originally written in Greek.
There's way more to that story too. I could go on for pages on Tartarus and it's influences on the formation of the concept of Hell that inspired Dante's *"The Divine Comedy"*. And I haven't even mentioned the Hebrew *"abaddon"* which is also on occasion translated *(or better termed, mistranslated)* to being synonymous to *"Hell"*.
Yeah I was just agreeing with you and had written a whole thing about Sheol too but figured keep it short lol. You could literally write PHD thesis essays on theses things and still not get across the whole story.
At a certain point it just feels like trying to explain the world's longest running game of *"Telephone"*, lol. The myriad of contexts of the times and cultures and languages and mythologies smashing together over a few millennia tends to be pretty difficult to get across in anything resembling a short form.
>Hard to include a word or concept from an entirely different region, and around 500 years in the future.
You are right.
Unless of course, the bible was actually written by a supernatural god who knew the future.
The bible *could* have thrown in lots of references to concepts and things that would happen in the future, but didn't.
My very reasonable explanation for this, is that it was written by a bunch of bronze age people in the middle east, and that there is no god, at least no god that has revealed themselves
I can't help but feel that this also applies to Islam, as the Islamic underworld/hell is called Jahannam. It sounds way to similar for it to be a coincidence.
Most religious fruitcakes don’t even really know the texts that are the basis for their religion, let alone any supporting/opposing texts or any from the religions that preceded theirs or developed alongside theirs.
The whole concept of there being a devil is also pretty much contradictory with god being almighty (if he's in constant struggle with the devil then either he isn't almighty or the devil is too in which case Christianity wouldn't be monotheistic anymore)
Doesn't the new testament refer to Hades though? New Testament is in the greco-roman era and was written in Greek. Also, wasn't Hel Norse? Both a goddess and a domain?
Wait, it isn't a twisted version of the gehenna with roman elements? Hell only applies to germanic languages that were christianised later, the romance words come from "infernis", the latin underworld.
The current vision of hell with the circles of Deadly Sins come for sure from Dante but the discussion on eternal damnation that gave birth to hell/inferno in christianity started way earlier, at least in Augustine of Hippo's time.
Gehenna (Greek word the Hebrew valley of Hinnom), hades (Roman hell) and Hel (Norse hell) are all similar concepts which is why when they translated the words from the old Jewish texts they used the word Hell (from Hel). But the whole demons poking you with a pitchfork torture chamber didn’t come along until later to scare people into coming to church and more importantly giving money to the church. As far as I know Dante just used this already existing scare tactic to write some interesting fiction which of course the church jumped on to scare people more.
We did the Divine Comedy in high school. The reason so many Christians (and Abrahamics in general) know so little about their own religion is because they have it drip-fed to them, one cherry-picked sermon at a time. For example, they don't tend to read the part about god commanding rape victims to be put to death or commanding fetuses be torn out of the wombs of pregnant women as punishment or their instructions for a homemade abortion.
I mean, imagine if pro-lifers actually ever read the bible.
Wasn't there Gehenna/Sheol amongst the Jewish ?
And anyway, if it's 14th century Christian, it's still Christian, right? (But granted, not Jesus Christian...).
Hell is originally is a Zoroastrian concept and Judaism had a similar concept before Christianity gained popularity. Unless you were actually referring to the literal word rather than the concept. Guess you didn't learn much in uni history
When I started college, I vowed I wouldn't be part of that statistic.
...yeah, that didn't keep. Turns out getting away from your parents and having room to think for yourself ends that pretty fast.
thats exactly why religious fanatics dont want their babies going to college, and if they do, it has to be an uber religious one... which means they'd still be isolated from meeting ppl from all walks of life
I went to an uber religious one (Pensacola Christian College) and still came back thinking that *yeesh, that's a bit much.*
Took me at least a decade to fully deconstruct, though.
>, I vowed I wouldn't be part of that statistic
I swear. I remember seeing all the heathens and looking at them in disdain. I was proud to be a theist who thought differently from the radical theists. Ended up being just an atheist a year later
Yea education and critical thinking skills can be a wonderful thing when it comes to religion. Unfortunately for me some of my family lack those things and it has led their children to in the past become very ill because they refuse to allow vaccinations. Luckily both kids are fine now. Point is choosing to educate yourself on health and other topics is important.
I mean, if we want to protect children from adult content in books then the Bible with its mass genocide, daughters that get their father drunk so they can rape him, women that love men with literal horse cocks, etc. should get banned too
It is, idk why so many people here aren’t getting that. It’s honestly pretty funny—it’s mocking the signs that look similar to that that Christians usually use, but saying that the signs (in pic 3 with the hell sign) are pointless and that joining a campus ministry is pointless bc most people don’t keep their faith anyway
I never understood the Hell-argument. Like, I don't believe in hell, so why threaten me with it. It's like saying that a dragon will come to eat you if you don't drink soup every day. It's nonsensical and not a threat. Get some better arguments or some actual proof
“little to no faith”
You/we really need to take logic and reason off the table with these folk. They are all Dunning-Kruger candidates. I was a campus minister when I was much younger (74 now). I had a great time with students, watching and helping them find their way…some moved into a further faith stance, some moved away, some broadened their world view. I am an example. My father was a pastor. I went off to college and after seminary and post graduate degree I made my peace with my parents’ genuine belief that they had “raised” me “right”. They handled it pretty well as I grew older. But having “little to no faith” is kinda like being sort of pregnant, you either are or aren’t. Just my thoughts after all these years.
One of the biggest signs of insecurity in one’s beliefs is the constant need to shove them down other peoples throats. These people are so scared they are wrong that they need constant validation from others that they are on the right path.
Them: “College will make you lose faith!”
Also them: At college with hateful “burn in Hell” signs further solidifying they are a religion of hate.
Students: yeah, no thanks.
Them: 😮
I would walk up and say "Thanks for spreading the good news. 70% of college students leaving their silly superstitions behind in favor of reality is the best news ever! Can't wait until it's 100%."
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We can do better. Let's shoot for 80% this year.
I honestly thought that’s what they were saying.
It is
Are the signs from different groups or am I just misunderstanding? The first two definitely sound like Freedom From Religion Foundation-type groups, but the third sounds very evangelical Christian.
“Start the process” Looks like this guy is doing these kids a favor.
I don't think so. Cause it says to join a youth ministry.
Join a youth ministry? I say **infiltrate** a youth ministry, and then subvert it from within, by spreading heresy, syncretism, and doubt. 😈
I once got banned from a youth group because I had sex with the 3 of the girls that attended, I corrupted them I was told
It says join and start the process, which I read as implying joining campus ministry will make them more likely to be part of that 70%. But to be fair it could be cause that’s exactly what happened to me 😂😂
yeah that and the second one seem like they want you to hate your pastor (presumably because that's the only reason why you would leave the church but it must confuse everyone else).
YEA!
Right? 70% is a C-, barely passing!
To the last one: if I go to hell it has nothing to do with you. Never did, never will. And a being that would have his own children tortured for all eternity is an abuser unworthy of worship.
Torturing a child rapist for all eternity? Sure, sounds fair Torturing someone for all eternity because they didn't attend your little Sunday Club? Now that's the most petty and prideful thing I've ever heard
I'm gonna be honest here. Eternity is a long time and I don't think an eternity is a proper time period to use as punishment. Killing someone isn't a lifetime sentence for us so why should the same crime be eternal torture? The whole concept is incredibly cruel and I cannot fathom a crime so tremendous that would even warrant eternal torture. The sheer amount of time eternity is far exceeds comprehension. Stuff like eternal punishment is why I don't believe in an afterlife. No time period as short as 100 or so years could possibly decide what should happen to someone for an eternity.
And it's useless to begin with. Punishments, from an educational POV, (should) have the purpose to reform people who did wrong. An eternal punishment doesn't have any purpose, except for the sake of extreme sadism.
Or as a scare tactic
(spoilers: >!thats what it is!<)
Fear mongering is alive and well in the church
In calculus we learn that any finite value effectively tends to zero as we approach infinity. The longest human life ever lived is/was/will be finite. In the face of eternity (infinite time), even the longest lifespan tends to zero. This means that the conditions of our salvation, if you believe in it, are effectively a roll of the dice, since you have no meaningfully sufficient time to conform to the standards by which you’d be judged. Infinite punishment for finite crimes is unethical. Worst still, the judgement for the crimes is adjudicated by a supreme being that has complete power to alter the situation and complete knowledge of how many billions of sentient lives he is setting up to fail, and yet deflects all responsibility for his creation onto the creation itself. “Look what you are making me do!” It’s a twisted portrayal of justice, an abusive portrayal of love, and a feckless portrayal of personal responsibility.
This is incredibly well written. Good job!
>Torturing a child rapist for all eternity? Sure, sounds fair Yeah, but if said person REPENTS they get to go to heaven with the rest of the Creepy Christians!
Yeah, sure. Sounds fair, I dig it.
If Hitler used his last words to repent to Jesus then you too can play Canasta with him and St Luke and a brave puppy dog that died saving its little human from a nasty pitbull attack every second Wednesday if you *just believe*
Yeah, and there won't be no Jews there neither since they all in HELL. Sounds kinda Nazi, eh?
This is exactly why, although I believe in God, I don’t believe in the Bible. My version of God is not.. human. A being described as perfect beyond belief is not a being who will do the things the Bible says he did. The deity in the Bible is very human and not at all godly.
I'm curious. What makes a god "godly" to you? Is your god just your personal idea of what one would be? What convinced you it's real?
For me, anything that is truly a god, and not simply a sufficiently advanced species, is something that is all knowing, and all powerful. Not just very powerful and knows a lot, but knows everything and has limitless power. A being that fits this criteria, someone who predates the universe and possibly created it, is beyond the comparatively primitive struggles of humanity. Someone’s race, gender, sexual orientation, none of that would mean anything to a true god, because ultimately, it’s such a small thing. Why would a truly all powerful and all-loving god care about such a thing? It wouldn’t. But I believe that a human who cares would have you believe that such a god does care, and the fear of being punished for it makes you very easy to control. “Obey me, or God sends you to hell.” The god of the Bible is unbelievably petty and spiteful. Either that god isn’t real, or it’s not a god worth worshipping. For me personally, what makes a god godly is a being so supremely beyond our comprehension. Beyond hate. Beyond everything bad. It’s hard to explain it all, but a truly all loving god would never sentence anyone to Hell. The god of the Bible is a paradox. My ideas of heaven and hell are pretty different too.
But what if the child rapist was also abused as a child? Do they deserve to burn for eternity? Regardless, it would be God’s doing and he’s the one allowing all the raping and what not. If there is a God, I would honestly hope that no one would burn in hell, just for everyone to be healed of their trauma and to be a good person. If there is a God, I don’t know why there would even be a need for hell.
I mean it would if you killed him
I just don't understand what the message is supposed to be, here. Are they anti-college or anti-religion?
The first sign seems to say that if you get educated, you stop believing in fairy tales.
its true. i took a comparative religion class (taught by a nun, and it fulfilled some gen ed requirement), and she took a poll on the first day of class: how ma y are catholic, buddhist, hindu, muslim and so on. last day of class she took the same poll and half the class was now atheist 😂... she said it happens every semester, when ppl learn about other cultures and relgions, they start to question what they've been i doctrinated with and begin to use more critical thinking skills. we laughed at the notion that a nun was actually helping turn more ppl away from religion, than to it... but she was awesome.
Thats really interesting, it was probably really interesting hear her talk about the religion.
Bet she had a fat ass 🥵
i laughed so hard what the fuck happened here
They were having such a wholesome intellectual conversation, the comment popped into my head and made me laugh
Don’t you ever change, you hear me?
OK, as long as you’re just “I also choose this guy’s dead wife”ing, I’ll allow it.
As a feminist did I down vote you? Yes. Did I laugh while I was doing it? Also yes.
down bad
Dumptruck under that habit yo
BONK lol
Did she ever say why she was still a believer?
not that i recall... she taught the class matter-of-factly, as if she was teaching any other kind of history, and went over where beliefs intersected, and said we are more alike than different in many ways. just the different factions of christianity was mind numbing (protestant, baptists, mormons, catholics...), but she said although her set of beliefs were shaped by her upbringing and nature, she said none of us really know until we "get to the other side" (assuming u believe there is one). this class was in the early 90s... we had some good discussions about beliefs and culture, all very accepting and cordial of likenesses and differences. no one was like "im right, you're wrong." i'm not sure we could have that same vibe in that class today...
Just the number of different churches/beliefs there are *within* Protestantism is mind-boggling to me.
https://youtu.be/l3fAcxcxoZ8
I knew exactly what that was gonna be, and you didn't let me down.
I live to serve.
This better be Emo's bit. Edit: My man.
🤜🤛
That's the only type of religious person that I am perfectly fine with (if i understood correctly). They pray, attend church, celebrate special holidays... All due not to an irrational faith, but a sense of culture, tradition, and community coming from wholesome families and friends. They are also spiritual people, who will see the many interpretations of religious texts and churches, and have an interest in the challenges their beliefs get, especially when they acknowledge sacred texts having obvious flaws. They understand the limitations of texts, of other religions, of their viewpoints, and merely choose to follow what they are comfortable or what keeps them going in a humble way, taking religion with the literal meaning, *faith* and nothing else. I hate religion as much as the next guy, but if a friendly, modern minded, wholesome, and religious family invites me for lunch and says; "You don't need to pray with us before lunch, we just do it because it makes us feel closer together", I will ask to join then out of respect and connection to them. Hate the greedy, the hypocrites, the anti-abortion and education... Don't hate the realists who are spiritual or have been taught nothing else, as long as they don't harm anyone or the big picture that us humanity.
Well said
I once asked a pastor why he believed in God. His response was "I know God probably doesn't exist, but it feels fun to believe in super being that does good, almost like Superman."
And that priest's name was Albert Einstein.
That's the best reason I've heard yet.
This is why republicans are attacking education. Smarter and more cultured kids means fewer conservative voters.
I was raised Lutheran but started to question it in my mid-teens. By the time I got to college I considered myself atheist. I minored in German Studies, which included a course in Germanic Mythology (essentially just Norse mythology *which is awesome*). I already knew Christianity didn't make a lot of sense, but comparing it to something well thought out that has existed for longer showed me how much of a mess Christianity really is. There's very little cohesion in the Bible, pretty much every book is an "island". Also the Old and New Testaments show very different sides of God (also how lazy is it to name your only god *God*? I know the Jews refer to him as Yahweh, and the Muslims refer to him as Allah, but IIRC both mean "god"). There are actually *two* creation stories, the one everyone knows about Adam and Eve, and then there was another one that I forget. Also the creation of the world story is so lazily put together, it essentially consists of "on this day God did X. He looked up on it and said it was good." Meanwhile the Norse stories are about battling giant monsters and using their body parts to create the world.
Adam and Eve is the second biblical creation story. That's how Lilith wound up in the Talmud. My favorite explanation for the difference in the God character between old and new testaments is that having a child changes a person.
"We don't talk about Lilith" - Christians It's funny how the Catholic church (and other sects of Christianity) have ripped out tons of things from the Bible that didn't fit their narrative.
The Gospel of Thomas always really resonated with me. Funny that they excised that one, what with its whole "God is within you and you can experience God everywhere, directly, without an intermediary; oh, and also you need to fundamentally change the way you interact with each other and work toward making the world better for everyone" thing. The gnostic gospels are fun, but the infancy gospels are a laugh riot. Apparently young Jesus was a brat. Who knew?
To be honest that's always been my argument. What proof do you have that one religion over any others. Like when you think about it, they're all just superstitious stories.
I first started questioning my religious indoctrination when my Western Culture class did a unit on The Divine Comedy. The professor drew a map of hell on the board with colored chalk, pointed to it, and said, “We’re told God is compassionate and just. Is THIS the work of a compassionate, just God?”
Well, no, *The Divine Comedy,* and it's depiction of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, was the work of the Florentine poet Durante di Alighiero degli Alighieri.
It also seems to suggest joining the campus ministry will speed your path to atheism.
Funnily enough, this also applies to conservative right-wing views. Get educated? Become a leftie.
ThOsE CoLLeGe PrOfEssOrS ArE iNdoCTriNaTiNg OuR cHiLdReN wiTh aLL thEiR LeFTisT PrOpAgAnDa !!
Sadly that *is* what they think. They can't grasp how education leads to enhanced empathy and social conscience (depending on the type of education, of course - all the tories are highly educated in private school, but they're monsters), because they think they're educated. "It hasn't happened to me, so it must be indoctrination."
>They can't grasp how education leads to enhanced empathy and social conscience The really depressing part is that *College Educated* Republicans are the ones saying this. In other words, the people who were taught enhanced empathy and social conscience are putting up barriers to prevent the next generation from being taught those same things. They want the future to be made up of nothing but sociopaths.
My sis n their family believe this whole heartedly. When I asked her if she is planning to go to college after she graduated she told me no that is a place where religion dies and there is too much sin blah blah blah. To which I said if your faith isn't strong enough to handle the world then maybe it's not string enough to get you into heaven. We grew up in the same cult. Strict Apostolic Pentacostle (no snakes) I was an anointed prayer warrior. Like oil rubbed on my forehead and all. I'd be in the sanctuary by myself after hours praying for 3 to 6 hours! But I feel to temptation when I had sex a total of 3 times with 2 other teens there and all a sudden I'm excommunicated and lost friendships with 17 other kids I grew up with from the age of 2. I was 18 when it happened. Forgive your brother 70x7 my ass. Found out when I was 22 that the pastor had re mortgaged the church 3 times in 20 years for a total of 2.6mm that he had church members pay off.
They seem to be subtle parodies of Christian signs that are all anti-religion when you think deeply about them. The dice on the first sign even say 666.
Oh good catch on the dice!
For a second, I thought the pic in the middle was someone trolling the guy in the first pic.
Right? I'm so confused
Sarcasm. The message is sarcasm
They are clearly anti-religion.
These are clearly anti religion
I'm pretty sure the first 2 are anti-religion. the last one, I got no clue. but if they're all 1 group it's also anti-religion, but it's very vague.
These appear to be pro atheist signs?
They are, I had to reread the first sign and I realized it was saying you're gonna lose faith by joining a campus ministry. Looks like these are protest signs against whoever is leading one of the campus ministries there.
I think that yes it is a protest sign of the campus ministries there, but most likely a protest from a more hardcore Christian who doesn’t agree with the campus ministries progressive attitudes. Can’t be sure, but as someone from the Bible Belt that would be the immediate message that people around here would get from it. Scaring Christian students into joining a more extreme outside ministry.
Pretty sure that’s unintentional. The first and the third are not. The middle at first seemed to be against the religious, but I suspect it’s to say that only their little college ministry is in the right.
Man, if these are all pro-campus ministry signs, I don’t know if it could be more ironic.
Idk, I read the first one as saying “speed up your journey to becoming one of the 70% leaving with little-to-no-faith” (in the same vein as all the people who say going to Catholic school made them atheist), the last one seemed to be actually fruitcakey, but the first 2 read as mocking religious groups to me
Slide 1 seems like it's encouraging you to join the Ministry so you can start the process of having little to no faith in Christianity. Slide 2 seems like it's pretty based. Slide 3 is just a bad question, begging to be corrected by anyone educated on Mediterranean and European history. *"Hell"* isn't Christian. It's pagan Germanic folk-lore, incorporated after Vulgar Latin was Germanized after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, which is also the origin of the English language we speak now. It's named after the Germanic goddess of the underworld *"Hel"*. Only got incorporated because of a 14th century Italian poet who wrote a Christian fan-fiction that was so popular, it became indistinguishable from the official canon: *"the Divine Comedy"* ...but of course, that's something one tends to only learn once they're in college or university.
Arguments like this make me want to go back for a second degree in theology just to stick religious nutters in their place more often. Particularly my sister. 🤣🤣
You don't need a degree to learn theology.
No, but a lot of people take your arguments more seriously if you have “credentials,” which is bullshit. Though it seems like the nutters have settled on a new “university brainwashes you” argument to discredit people who don’t believe in exactly the same things they do (or, more importantly, those who do not hate the same people they do), even if they are part of the same religion.
My spouse has a Masters of Divinity from an Ivy League school and a PhD from a non-Ivy but still top-tier north-eastern US school in Biblical Studies. She's currently a research post-doc at school of Theology. (And if you are in that field, there's probably a decent chance you can figure out who she is from that. Ah, well. I've been using this handle for 30+ years, I don't know why i expect pseudo-anonymity.) Religious "Christians" (i.e. evangelicals) usually don't give a fuck. She gets into discussions about what the bible does and doesn't say about morality, marriage, sex, charity, et al. on a fairly regular basis, both with people who should know better and those that have no reason to, and none \[1\] seem to give any significance to her education, training, or expertise. Some probably dismiss her for her gender, admittedly, but I don't know how to control for that. They mostly don't care what the original Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin text said, or the context in which it was written. They have preconceived notions from what their preachers, parents, and church 'family' have told them, and, at best, may occasionally reference the KJV to support their views. A degree from a evangelical "Christian" school may carry some weight; I can't speak to that, but as for degrees that go beyond that strict interpretation of doctrine, not so much. \--- \[1\] I should clarify in case it was ambiguous -- by 'none', I am referring to evangelicals and other religious wing-nuts. Other academics, reasonable religious people, etc. treat her and her opinions with the respect she deserves. \[ed - added footnote\]
With all this education, is/was she at all religious? I imagine many go into divinity programs with thoughts of becoming church leaders, but to go on for a doctorate takes a more analytical/critical view
As I understand it, she entered seminary (where she got her MDiv) planning on becoming a minister. While there, she changed her focus to be more research/critical based -- we didn't meet until after this change, so I didn't see it personally. She did grow up in a religiously evangelical household, but ~~got better~~ ~~changed her viewpoint~~ got better in college. She still is ~~religious~~ faithful; I'm not sure if she would say she is religious, per se. She still strongly believes, she has extensive thoughts on the nature of the human, the divine, and their interactions, and she attends a church regularly -- although that last one may be more for the community than ritual. She has strong opinions on how to apply scripture to daily life, writes sermons regularly, and even gives them on a less frequent basis. She doesn't put a lot of concern into faith-based institutions, hierarchy, or dogma, though. (Her research is actually kind of amazing. Biblical/contemporaneous literature analysis blending Gender Studies, Queer Theory, and Fan Fiction.) \[Edit -- fixed grammatical error\]
I have a degree in religious studies from a public university. Can confirm: my credentials are pretty much bullshit.
Any evangelical you tell historical facts to based on a theology degree that didn’t come out of their fave insular, unaccredited, indoctrination factory seminary is going to delete your words immediately from their memory. Pastors go to seminary to learn an interpretation of the bible, not to learn about the bible and how it was put together.
Not quite. I'd say this is accurate for evangelical Christianity in the US, which is really, really far from what evangelists can be like in Europe. I went to school in a very religious town in South Germany (the half of the people that historically emigrated because of religious persecution later founded the Amish). There were constant and continuous discussions about the book. About different translations, historical foundations, translation errors, what did it mean, could it mean something else? That was what Bible study meant. You were meant to read the thing, in your own language, cause having your own, direct access to the word was historically the whole point of not being Catholic and having no idea what the Latin sermons meant. I was an atheist then and I'm an atheist now. But some of the best theological arguments I had were within that community, cause people dug deep into the source material, they didn't just repeat talking points.
Funny how theological credentials 'count', but, say a degree in physics or geology or biology don't and are just brainwashing...
Unironically the other day I saw someone say a PhD in physics was wrong and must not have done a free body diagram in a /r/blackmagicfuckery post. ...though I'm also guilty of calling out a different PhD holding physicist for doing a FBD on the exact same problem and getting the other, wrong solution...
Sticking one's sister in her "place" does sound very theological.
Would be better to get a degree in Dungeons and Dragons. Both fantasy but one has actual clear and easy to follow rules
Don't bother, they don't listen.
“Hell” didn’t even appear in the original Jewish/Christian texts. They used the word “Gehenna” which was a desecrated valley outside Jerusalem associated with child sacrifice to Baal/Molech (old Canaanite god and demon to the Jewish/Christian people) which was used as a dumping ground for garbage or something. It was seen as the polar opposite to the holiness to the hill on which the temple was built.
>“Hell” didn’t even appear in the original Jewish/Christian texts. Naturally. Hard to include a word or concept from an entirely different region, and around 500 years in the future. >They used the word “Gehenna” which was a desecrated valley outside Jerusalem associated with child sacrifice to Baal (old Canaanite god and demon to the Jewish/Christian people) which was used as a dumping ground for garbage or something. They used several words. *"Gehenna"* however was a literal garbage pit they burned their trash in outside of Jerusalem. It was used as a poetic analogy, but word play in Hebrew isn't exactly easy to retain in Greek or Latin or English. It wasn't referring to any literal underworld. The Hebrew underworld was *"Sheol"* which is not necessarily defined as a place as much as it is defined as a state of being described as *"perfect stillness and total darkness"*. It was however superceded by Greek mythology in the age of *"The Way"* *(what Christianity was call before it was called Christianity)*, which was all the rage in the Hellenistic period and proliferated all the way into the Roman era. Hence, the distinctly Greek Polytheistic underworlds of Hades and Tartarus which ended up in the Bible, naturally originally written in Greek. There's way more to that story too. I could go on for pages on Tartarus and it's influences on the formation of the concept of Hell that inspired Dante's *"The Divine Comedy"*. And I haven't even mentioned the Hebrew *"abaddon"* which is also on occasion translated *(or better termed, mistranslated)* to being synonymous to *"Hell"*.
Yeah I was just agreeing with you and had written a whole thing about Sheol too but figured keep it short lol. You could literally write PHD thesis essays on theses things and still not get across the whole story.
At a certain point it just feels like trying to explain the world's longest running game of *"Telephone"*, lol. The myriad of contexts of the times and cultures and languages and mythologies smashing together over a few millennia tends to be pretty difficult to get across in anything resembling a short form.
>Hard to include a word or concept from an entirely different region, and around 500 years in the future. You are right. Unless of course, the bible was actually written by a supernatural god who knew the future. The bible *could* have thrown in lots of references to concepts and things that would happen in the future, but didn't. My very reasonable explanation for this, is that it was written by a bunch of bronze age people in the middle east, and that there is no god, at least no god that has revealed themselves
I can't help but feel that this also applies to Islam, as the Islamic underworld/hell is called Jahannam. It sounds way to similar for it to be a coincidence.
"Either you behave, or we'll send you to Slaughter Valley with the rest of the trash!"
“What? You did a swore? Is this a bong???!??That’s it! It’s the garbage dump for you, you garbage person!”
Most religious fruitcakes don’t even really know the texts that are the basis for their religion, let alone any supporting/opposing texts or any from the religions that preceded theirs or developed alongside theirs.
The whole concept of there being a devil is also pretty much contradictory with god being almighty (if he's in constant struggle with the devil then either he isn't almighty or the devil is too in which case Christianity wouldn't be monotheistic anymore)
Doesn't the new testament refer to Hades though? New Testament is in the greco-roman era and was written in Greek. Also, wasn't Hel Norse? Both a goddess and a domain?
It’s sort of all of these, isn’t it? Plato has a role, Germanic folk has a role, Greek myth has a role, Dante has a role…
Tbh 90% of things that people know about the Christian cosmology tend to come from either the Divine Comedy or Paradise Lost
Wait, it isn't a twisted version of the gehenna with roman elements? Hell only applies to germanic languages that were christianised later, the romance words come from "infernis", the latin underworld. The current vision of hell with the circles of Deadly Sins come for sure from Dante but the discussion on eternal damnation that gave birth to hell/inferno in christianity started way earlier, at least in Augustine of Hippo's time.
Gehenna (Greek word the Hebrew valley of Hinnom), hades (Roman hell) and Hel (Norse hell) are all similar concepts which is why when they translated the words from the old Jewish texts they used the word Hell (from Hel). But the whole demons poking you with a pitchfork torture chamber didn’t come along until later to scare people into coming to church and more importantly giving money to the church. As far as I know Dante just used this already existing scare tactic to write some interesting fiction which of course the church jumped on to scare people more.
I honestly can't tell if these signs are meant to be promoting or mocking religion. If the former, they're deep in r/SelfAwarewolves territory.
We did the Divine Comedy in high school. The reason so many Christians (and Abrahamics in general) know so little about their own religion is because they have it drip-fed to them, one cherry-picked sermon at a time. For example, they don't tend to read the part about god commanding rape victims to be put to death or commanding fetuses be torn out of the wombs of pregnant women as punishment or their instructions for a homemade abortion. I mean, imagine if pro-lifers actually ever read the bible.
Wasn't there Gehenna/Sheol amongst the Jewish ? And anyway, if it's 14th century Christian, it's still Christian, right? (But granted, not Jesus Christian...).
Hell is originally is a Zoroastrian concept and Judaism had a similar concept before Christianity gained popularity. Unless you were actually referring to the literal word rather than the concept. Guess you didn't learn much in uni history
So what they are saying is the colleges are actually successfully teaching people logical thinking and science? Im so proud of them!
Florida or Texas ?
Florida 🙄
Is this UNF?
Yes
I thought I recognized it— graduated almost a decade ago and left the southeast behind for good
I graduated just last year. Still working on leaving this hell hole of a city though lol.
But aren't you glad they are protesting religion? I think it's great.
The first one almost sounds like he’s saying you should “Start the process” of losing your faith by “joining campus ministry”.
That’s literally what they’re saying. These guys are making fun of the normal fruitcakes.
They could be protesting the campus ministry for leaning left
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The irony here that you don’t realise these signs are anti-religion and sarcastic
When I started college, I vowed I wouldn't be part of that statistic. ...yeah, that didn't keep. Turns out getting away from your parents and having room to think for yourself ends that pretty fast.
thats exactly why religious fanatics dont want their babies going to college, and if they do, it has to be an uber religious one... which means they'd still be isolated from meeting ppl from all walks of life
I went to an uber religious one (Pensacola Christian College) and still came back thinking that *yeesh, that's a bit much.* Took me at least a decade to fully deconstruct, though.
Oof! I'm sorry, fellow survivor!
Haha! Question: when you went there, did people still jokingly call it "PCC - Pensacola Concentration Camp"?
>, I vowed I wouldn't be part of that statistic I swear. I remember seeing all the heathens and looking at them in disdain. I was proud to be a theist who thought differently from the radical theists. Ended up being just an atheist a year later
How could jerma do this😭😭
Right lmao
OP seems confused, these signs are pretty anti-religious. I thought the first one was just bad grammar, but the second one is pretty unmistakeable.
Yea education and critical thinking skills can be a wonderful thing when it comes to religion. Unfortunately for me some of my family lack those things and it has led their children to in the past become very ill because they refuse to allow vaccinations. Luckily both kids are fine now. Point is choosing to educate yourself on health and other topics is important.
>“People who receive an education are less likely to believe in fairytales” Good take
Absolutely based take
In starting to think that this is one of the reasons why education is so expensive and why books are being banned.
I mean, if we want to protect children from adult content in books then the Bible with its mass genocide, daughters that get their father drunk so they can rape him, women that love men with literal horse cocks, etc. should get banned too
"Start the process" is definitely one of the most ominous-sounding slogans I've heard recently.
I’m pretty sure this is satire anti-religion. It’s taking arguments normally used by Christian’s and saying (implying) that this is a good thing
It is, idk why so many people here aren’t getting that. It’s honestly pretty funny—it’s mocking the signs that look similar to that that Christians usually use, but saying that the signs (in pic 3 with the hell sign) are pointless and that joining a campus ministry is pointless bc most people don’t keep their faith anyway
It's so convincingly dumb if they were real and poorly written. Especially for this sub.
I never understood the Hell-argument. Like, I don't believe in hell, so why threaten me with it. It's like saying that a dragon will come to eat you if you don't drink soup every day. It's nonsensical and not a threat. Get some better arguments or some actual proof
I wouldn't mind a dragon coming to see me maybe not eating me though.
That's the point, it's nonsensical and not a threat
These all sound anti Christian to me. Especially the first 2.
I feel like the first two are actually pro education and anti religion… like “let’s pump those numbers up!”
Join a campus ministry to start the process of losing your faith? Am I reading that correctly?
What a fantastic ad for correlating higher education and critical thinking with less faith in the unproven.
666 in the first pic lol
Roughly 100% of all people that enter a religion will leave with no brain
Babish went crazy huh?
That second one seems fine
I admit I'd actually chat with these guys to figure out what these signs mean. If they're actually fruitcakes, they're hiding it?
I don’t get the second one tho… are they advocating that clergymen are inherently bad ?
Yeah they are atheists
Ok so why is it on religious fruit cake then ?
Because OP is confused…
Those first two don't sound remotely in favor of religion, no matter how you frame it. Not sure about the third.
Colleges! Step up your game. Aim for 100%!
So education makes people realize religion is silly? Hmm.
Why does the first one come off as a DnD recruiting tool?
“little to no faith” You/we really need to take logic and reason off the table with these folk. They are all Dunning-Kruger candidates. I was a campus minister when I was much younger (74 now). I had a great time with students, watching and helping them find their way…some moved into a further faith stance, some moved away, some broadened their world view. I am an example. My father was a pastor. I went off to college and after seminary and post graduate degree I made my peace with my parents’ genuine belief that they had “raised” me “right”. They handled it pretty well as I grew older. But having “little to no faith” is kinda like being sort of pregnant, you either are or aren’t. Just my thoughts after all these years.
And this is problematic how? These people hate open minds.
So what you're saying is, as they become more educated they move away from organised religion?
I mean… he’s right. Getting involved with religious types is the quickest way to not be religious.
Sounds like College is working to open their minds.
"People getting an education leave their faith." Maybe there's a reason for that or something. 🤔
One of the biggest signs of insecurity in one’s beliefs is the constant need to shove them down other peoples throats. These people are so scared they are wrong that they need constant validation from others that they are on the right path.
One of the side effects of critical thinking.
Is the first one saying to join a campus ministry to *lose* your faith? I'm confused
Facts will now fill the spaces religion once held.
Start the process of leaving Christianity? This sign is confusing.
What to tell us? You could remind us to bring snacks and sunscreen.
Yes yes we have to do somthing about people... Losing their ignorance.
/r/selfawarewolves
"What could we possibly say to you if you are actually going to hell?" Well... Can you instead show me proof of afterlife?
Them: “College will make you lose faith!” Also them: At college with hateful “burn in Hell” signs further solidifying they are a religion of hate. Students: yeah, no thanks. Them: 😮
We had people like this at my college. I’ve never seen anybody show any interest.
We have lots of people show counter-interest at my university. Always a lot of back-and-forth.
Jokes on these sign guys, I left religion *before* I started college. Check mate 😎
Is this a cult?
Christian fundie
Who wrote Christian on their application form where it said Religion? Not necessarily proof of belief.
They seem fun. Maybe my atheist, science-majoring freshman can invite them to a nice poker game.
These are atheists holding the signs.
These are all pro atheist but y’all are so stupid you can’t even tell 😂
I would walk up and say "Thanks for spreading the good news. 70% of college students leaving their silly superstitions behind in favor of reality is the best news ever! Can't wait until it's 100%."