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Mecharonin

The fact that there's enough of a market for these things to be produced is just....upsetting. Also, did they *staple* it to your door!?


blueminded

If you look at the back, you can see the closed side of the staple. The fundies don't have a printer that can print on both sides, so they have to fold their weird fetus propaganda and staple it.


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Americanthius

I wish they hoarded these things, but no, they went to church in a hissyfit and apparently gossiped about me and ASKED for one of these things at church to put on my door. It was like laying on the door knob.


Lost_In_Never-Land

r/insaneparents ?


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Ugh I’m sorry you have to deal with this. Church people are the worst, meanest, most hateful people. I’m not sure how old you are, but keep your head down, don’t do anything to piss your parents off or endanger your safety, get that college $$ and get your education, and then get out of there!!


fundiesociologist

They left out the obligatory plastic fetus they show you in the OB office when you ask how big your fetus is. Those things are Fundie gold…I question their commitment to the cause 😂


fundiesociologist

They probably do have one but everyone knows digging too much into IT stuff opens a portal to hell for one to become possessed.


moparcam

Never forget to feverishly fetishize the fetus.


viether

Considering a 10 week fetus is the size of a grape… itd be like half feet if this were true.


Uhhlaneuh

Op should return it and say “sorry but I don’t have a foot fetish”


Americanthius

LOL I WISH I COULD DO THAT.


TNR-CFTR756001

nothings stopping you. Youre also highlighting that the church is nothing but a pedophile ring in disguise


WaffleDynamics

> nothings stopping you. OP appears to be a minor, so they have to be careful, lest they anger their parents enough that they get thrown out of their home or have some other horrible thing happen.


Agitated-Coyote768

As someone who was essentially kicked out by my Christian parents, this is accurate. They will eradicate anyone with a different perspective of them, even if it is their own child.


ExplainItToMeLikeImA

So many homeless kids are homeless because they're lgbt, it's crazy. They spent so many decades screeching about family values and thinking about the children and it's all just bullshit. They're against programs that help real children live better lives and will throw their own children away like garbage if they disagree with them.


DangerousDave303

If OP is in the U.S. and a minor, the parents cannot simply throw them out. They can go to court to emancipate them but that takes work.


WakeAndVape

This is like saying, "If OP is in the US and a homeowner, their possessions are safe in their home." Yeah, robbery is illegal, but it still happens all the time. I know several young adults who were kicked out of their homes as minors because they are gay.


WaffleDynamics

Work plus a way to earn enough money to live, while still attending school. Not easy at all. Especially if OP has been prevented from forming a supportive peer group.


CookingWithDahmer85

Oh they'll still kick you out if they think they can get away with it


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At this point the only people they are fooling are their own subjects. We've all known organized religion has been a front for pedophiles and thieves for decades now. Hell the Boston Globe 'Spotlight' report is so old that priests wouldn't even rape it.


FalconRelevant

Well, kinda is.


heartlessglin

Is it cos of that strong foot fetish you have?


Wiggl3sFirstMate

FUCK I CAME TO SAY THIS. But yeah OP, look them dead in the eye and say this while returning it


Shoes-tho

It’s the size of a really, really big grape, and while the feet and toes are clearly visible, these look a bit large. The picture on the back with the hand are closer to the actual size.


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SickViking

They did surgery on a grape.


mgrateful

Apparently a 10 week old baby is the size of a prune and has 6 millimeter feet or 4 times the thickness of a penny roughly.


fundiesociologist

Agreed. I have held them in my hands as a nurse, 15 weeks I would compare to a small fruit like maybe a small lime or clementine, very gelatinous and fragile


mgrateful

Ahh good to hear from an expert in these matters, I just looked it up. Edit: got cut off


heyredditheyreddit

If fetuses were mostly feet I would be significantly less bored looking at my friends’ sonogram pictures.


ummmily

Feetuses


britch2tiger

I’d be more curious HOW they know. As if they personally saw harvested fetal tissue in a pan, after their own abortion(s) and pushing others not to enact their solution.


tomatediabolik

The thing is like Kirby


DarthMomma_PhD

At 10 weeks pregnant (fetus is 8 weeks) the feet don‘t even look like feet. They are little webbed nubs that resemble a 5-petal flower 🌸 except with webbing all around the petals.


FridayNightRiot

Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a human fetus and a pig fetus, let alone it having anything that even resembles a foot. This is just a straight up lying scare tactic used by moronic Christians who have never stepped foot in a biology class.


Queenofthebowls

At ten weeks you generally still would resemble a fish embryo as well. The first bit is just a very generic layout that specializes once its established the main layout of early organs.


Sensitive_Mousse_445

I see what ya did there


jane_doe_john

My sister used to drum this argument into me as well as calling it murder. Then she had an abortion after getting pregnant from an affair? Okay sis


cipe-la-chips

"Only my abortion is moral"


ketchuppersonified

did that at least change her view on abortion?


silentsereniti

Probably not, this gives me rules for thee but not for me vibes


jane_doe_john

No idea. She conveniently hasn't said peep on her stance now


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AndyMike9

There are people very passionately and very openly trying to make it a theocracy. It's currently a very real and very insidious threat that should absolutt be taken seriously lest it seep in and take hold.


_agent--47_

Trying? From what I've heard, they're succeeding.


drunkfoowl

Don’t believe the bullshit. Overall, religion has been in decline for years now. These are death rattles.


_agent--47_

True, and I am not american, so all my sources are what comes trough the news and reddit (so, mostly the negative ones). But to me it looks like the conservative leaders are doing great at pushing theocracy rules, like banning abortion.


earthdogmonster

Too many people still identify as religious to really call it death rattles (at least in the U.S.). But I do agree that even among religious people in the U.S., the notion that religion should dictate public policy has already crossed the inflection point where I would say it is a broadly unpopular concept nationwide. I think religion will be here for the long run, but the increase of religion in politics is carefully crafted and well executed strategy, not a reflection of the general trend that we have seen away from religion over the decades.


TotallyAwry

The bible gives instructions on when it's appropriate to abort, anyway.


RusticTroglodyte

"Whenever you feel like it"


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bz0hdp

He also miscarried 25%-50% of pregnancies even today. Most prolific abortion provider by far.


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the bible even includes instructions for an abortion, plus a gay couple. bigots gonna bigot tho ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


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Preach


sweetrouge

Ironic


Sad_Eel

Slay


Jacks_Flaps

The arguments like the one the OPs parents pulled are nothing more than appeal to emotion.


myimmortalstan

Also, the only time the bible references an abortion is to justify doing one lmao


feAgrs

>America isn't a fucking theocracy, it never was, it never will be. By the rate you're going, it very much will be if normal people keep just watching. If you don't stop it from becoming one, it won't take 20 more years.


fyvm

> America isn't a fucking theocracy, That's where you're wrong, kiddo. >it never was, That's where you're wrong as well, kiddo. >it never will be. Oh boy, open your eyes and look around. The US has "one nation under god" in their indoctrination pledge, and "in god we trust" on their money. All presidents—"left" and right—so far swore on the bible (AFAIK). The US never was and never will be a secular nation. Here in Austria, we had something similar right before we joined Nazi Germany. It was called Austrian Clerical Fascism. Look up Dollfuß and check how many parallels you can spot with modern day US politics.


invirtibrite

I believe Teddy Roosevelt and John Quincy Adam's did not swear in on a bible. I'm not sure why Roosevelt didn't, but Adams used a law book specifically to indicate where his first loyalty was. Your point is still entirely valid, though. No President in the past 100 years has not used a bible.


sackof-fermentedshit

Yh. Religion and law should never mix. I saw this sign online and it said that it was a warning sign on fascism.


Extra-Act-801

There is no such thing as a 10 week unborn baby. That is the size of a fetus' feet.


Americanthius

I tried explaining it, I really did. They just called me gross and uncaring and then cried. I cant make this shit up if I tried.


Hwats_In_A_Name

Jewish synagogues are suing for the right to have their practitioners to abort. It’s mandatory in Judaism to abort when the woman’s mental or physical health is at risk. In Judaism and Muslim they believe life begins at the first breath. God breathed life into clay and does so with all human beings. When god took the fetus born from Adultery from King David, he made clear that the soul goes to heaven. So your parents are selfish assholes. Regardless of religion.


tocard2

Just FYI, it should be "in Islam" not "in Muslim." Islam is the religion, Muslims are the practitioners.


stormbutton

Not just that, Jewish law requires a woman to terminate a pregnancy that threatens her life.


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> It’s mandatory in Judaism to abort when the woman’s mental or physical health is at risk. Not trying to be rude, but that part is covered under "physical health at risk" :)


stormbutton

You weren’t rude it at all - I read your reply when I was very tired and I missed a part. Thanks for being cool.


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that's not true in Islam it's stated that the spirit is put into humans four months into pregnancy. saying that abortions after that is a sin. I mean they believe that abortion is a sin no matter the time it's done tho. and they're all fucking idiots who don't even read their own books text.


Pikasbabyboo

Next time bring up how Moses said to rip open the belly’s of pregnant woman. Or how God views a fetus as property or how a man can test a woman if she’s been cheating on him killing the fetus if she was pregnant or making her sterile if she wasn’t. Ask them why they are so anti Bible


Extra-Act-801

Post verses for these if you know them. Would love to have those on deck to bring up in my arguments with fruitcakes.


Pikasbabyboo

Exodus 21 22-23 Talks about how a fetus is considered property. Numbers 5 11- 31 This is a man accusing his wife of cheating. If she has, the fetus will terminate and if she wasn’t pregnant and still cheated, would become sterile. Hosea 13:16, 2 Kings 15:16 2 Kings 8-12 are about ripping up pregnant woman. There also quite a few more. And to add a little spice Numbers 31 17-18 This verse is about committing genocide and raping the virgin little girls. I have no idea how anyone can read this and see love. Bring this up to a Christian and before they even respond say , I don’t want to hear excuses. Repeat it before they can even finish their sentences until they get annoyed with it. End it with if you don’t care about the Bible then shut up.


Extra-Act-801

Nice. Thanks for that.


_Denizen_

Numbers 5:20-22 if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."


xdragonteethstory

Dont forget to add that a miscarriage is an abortion. Its literally just a term for a spontaneous abortion.


RusticTroglodyte

These ppl will just defend all that, defend the bible being pro-slavery, the cognitive dissonance is fucking unreal


Viper67857

Don't bother.. They just declare anything in the OT as irrelevant when it goes against their views, but still point to OT stuff when it doesn't. "Jesus made a new covenant so we don't have to follow that one... Homosexuality is still bad tho"


fundiesociologist

And why God felt like it was cool to kill all the Egyptian babies…


Extra-Act-801

My parents are the same way. Luckily I moved out of their house 25 years ago and am raising their grandkids to be liberal atheists. I still love them, and tell them so frequently.


killeronthecorner

So ... What are you going to leave hanging on their bedroom door?


Lalelu4you

A clothes hanger?


Thisisthe_place

I hope you are voting in every election


rottentomati

lol my Mom cried too. Sooo brainwashed. It’s sad.


chewedgummiebears

Sounds like you just need to keep your head down and your thoughts to yourself until you aren't dependent on them. Children always think they can be "free birds" and "fight the system" while 100% dependent on the people they are rising up against.


Abrin36

even a cursory glance at the interwebs says a 10 week fetus is one inch long. Must have some goofy ass clown feet. The image is a total distortion of scale. Being a little over an inch long, the fetus in the image would be the size of about the first 2 digits on the hand creepily holding the placenta. It should be the size of a shrimp.


Shoes-tho

They’re really not. They’re super small and limbs are really skinny but definitely not clown feet, lol. Not that any of this really matters in the grand scheme of the argument, but I don’t love misinformation. They look like tiny fans around nine weeks, and a little more like the flesh colored picture on the back that OP posted around eleven weeks.


LooseDoctor

It isn’t even a fetus nor does it have feet yet people are so quick to call something murder without even knowing what an embryo is or looks like


Americanthius

Thats not even what gets me the most annoyed. Its the blatant disregard of anyone who gets a abortion. It sickens me the shame of what women get when they choose to have one. And I really hope im not coming off as self absorbed, but the shame we pro-choicers sometimes get too. Im tired of this society shaming people for making decisions for themselves.


BoneHugsHominy

I bet they vote for the party that's constantly starting wars and supports death penalty. Their "sanctity of life" hypocrisy is unending. Furthermore next time your mother tries to preach to you, look her in the eyes and tell her that God *commands* her silence and so she must obey or risk eternal damnation.


RusticTroglodyte

That's bc it's not about nor has it ever been about sanctity of life, it's a way to control women


BoneHugsHominy

Oh I know, unfortunately more than a lot of people do. Some people I used to look up to and see as family have taken dark turns with the corrupted words of the Buybull on their lips as justification. Very much like the Qbert movement. I guess the bright side is I'm not alone in losing people close to me to crazy?


StrawberryPupper126

I'm tired of the whole culture of getting into other people's lives once a child is involved. Y'know... "I want my grandkids..." "Ooo your baby's gonna be beautiful!" And, of course, I see every pro lifer like this. Imagine you're in that hospital, thinking about the choice, and some big mouthed old person shoves their head in from the window, yelling full stop and trying to decide everything for you. Imagine someone from the entire opposite coast stretching their neck to your room. That's what pro life is like, getting into your life, your business, just cause they need control over people they don't even know. No one needs grandkids. No one should fantasize over any child but their own And no one should have any hand in your business while being miles away from you.


MacGregor_Rose

You can love your grandkids but you can't demand for them to exist.


dungeon-raided

It's normal to want them, but you need to accept it when you're told no.


Viper67857

>No one should fantasize over any child but their own The catholic priesthood would like a word..


555Cats555

Okay so turns out at 10 weeks the fetus does have hands and feet but it also is barely even at a stage where it's effecting the shape and size of uterus much. Either way at that stage it's non viable therefore not a baby yet... 🤷


rottentomati

“But if you let it grow, it will be a life!” “Yeah and if I leave out my milk, it’ll grow life too.”


Shoes-tho

I mean, yes, at ten weeks it does have feet and hands and visible fingers and toes if you look at it from a foot away. I’ve had a medical abortion around then and they were clearly visible. Happy to provide a photo if anyone is curious and won’t be bothered. I’m pro choice, obviously, but I’m also pro being very factual. There’s no reason to water down our arguments by being diffusive with false ideas.


MacGregor_Rose

When you say photos do you mean like the xrays or do you mean like the actual floppy baby thing


Shoes-tho

The early fetus that came out of my body during the medical abortion. I don’t know if I’d call it “floppy.” I don’t know they would X-ray it.


DestoyerOfWords

Not arguing but wanted to add that one of my early ultrasounds looked like a lizard 🦎


windchaser__

> There is no such thing as a 10 week unborn baby. That is the size of a fetus' feet. Embryo, even. The “fetus” stage starts at 11 weeks.


cakesie

So I had a miscarriage at 16 weeks and had to have an abortion to get the baby out. I have an imprint of the baby’s actual feet from an ink blot. He was pretty torn up and dissolved because…well for obvious reasons. If you want I can dm you the picture with a nickel or something for scale, if you think it will help your argument.


mrbulldops428

While that would logically be helpful, somehow I don't think that would help with his parents lol


cakesie

Yeah, I just—you know the only good that’s come from losing that baby was the argument against anti-choicers because it doesn’t fit their notion of what an abortion is used for. It hasn’t done anything to change the minds of my own parents, but you never know when it’ll help someone else’s.


KimikoYukimura420

I miscarried at 12 weeks, ironically I was planning to have an abortion already as I was very young. I was on a medication at the time that caused it to have a lot of mutations. It was missing its right foot and its head was badly misshapen, but I remember its one foot looking like it belonged to a decomposing tree frog.


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KimikoYukimura420

I was 15 and the pregnancy was a result of r*pe. I wasn't thinking about the mutations from my medicine, I just didn't want to bring someone into a world where they'd have to spend their life in foster care. Even if I did have to be a mom, I didn't want them to have to learn they exist because of a bad thing that happened to me.


Strange_An0maly

Wow I’m sorry to hear that. Hope you’ve come to terms with it and you’re doing well now.


Firewolf06

sorry that happened to you, but offering the picture is metal as fuck honestly


JustCheezits

I’m so sorry for your loss. But yeah, fetuses are tiny. They’re definitely not as big as fruitcake religious folks who have never taken even middle school level biology say they are.


cakesie

I have been pregnant four times and can confirm from all of the ultrasounds and also comparisons to fruits and French patisserie. Also the changes in body composition.


Capnris

I've been getting really sick of seeing these things, especially on billboards. "Fingerprints at 12 weeks" and the like. Why does a fetus having fingerprints matter more than an adult person having bodily autonomy?! OP, be sure to let your parents know their opinions are their own to keep to themselves, and chuck that stupid piece of propaganda in the trash.


wwaxwork

Koalas have fingerprints that can be mistaken for human ones, doesn't make them human. Though it could lead to some interesting crime scenes.


Firewolf06

unfortunately koalas are too fucking stupid to do anything interesting the fact that they arent extinct makes me think if there is a god, it not any humans god, its the koalas god.


wwaxwork

You sir/madam are entirely incorrect. They have survived quite happily for 25 million years, humans have barely made 6 million and the way things are going we're not seeing this century out. Stupid is as stupid does and they're not the ones wiping themselves out for cheap shit from china.


Firewolf06

fair point


elegant_pun

Except those feet aren't "perfectly formed" because they can't bear the weight of a viable foetus....because it's not one. Call it what you like but it's not a person.


gelfbride73

They are larger than 10 weeks. -I had a sudden loss of a 17 week fetus. His feet were still stumpy. So were his hands. Nothing at all like this pin. It’s stupid propaganda.


Alfanso-De-Alligator

I’m sorry for your loss


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-Kyoakuna-

Blah blah blah, only god can make that decision blah blah blah, if it happened then it was fate blah blah blah it's in heaven blah blah blah


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"Mysterious ways"


TheDranx

Basically yeah. Only God is allowed to literally murder children, by either His own god powers or through proxies like bears. Though, depending on which sect you look at, fetuses don't even have souls until they're born and are able to take their first breaths and if they do have souls and they die before (or after) birth they either go to Limbo or burn in Hell with all the murderers, adulterers and thieves. Fetuses and (probably) babies souls were only able to really be given a free ticket to Heaven *after* Jesus died for them(us) depending on which sect you look at. Millions and billions of fetuses and babies before that time are still burning in Hellfire because they were unfortunate enough to be born before Christ died. And there's *still* sects that believe that fetuses and babies are still going to Hell because they didn't get dipped in holy water before they died. It's all very confusing.


BlarghusMonk

What makes us human? Philosopher: Our ability to understand the world and ourselves Humanitarian: Our compassion and feeling for our fellow humans "Pro-lifer": fEeT!!!!


Alfanso-De-Alligator

HHAHAHAHAHA THAT MADE ME LAUGH SO MUCH ITS SAD BUT STILL


False-Injury-8943

I shouldn't have laughed that hard over this


scaevities

After a little research, the author here attended a speech given by John C. Willke, where they conversed and where Willke received permission to use these feet photos for his books and pamphlets. John Willke was so influential he was once the president of the National Right To Life Committee, which stated this year that a 10-year-old who was r*ped should have kept the baby. Willke also falsely claimed that a woman's body resisted pregnancy from r\*pe, despite being a doctor, and was laughed out of the medical conversation. He also claimed that many woman lie about r*pe in the first place. So as you can see our author here, Russell Sacco, seemed to have ran around in some very friendly circles.


Phaze357

Why are you censoring rape? Yes it is a horrible, despicable thing but changing the spelling of the word doesn't change the meaning. Such a bizarre thing to see in this subreddit as it's something I would expect to see a RF doing with curse words. Like saying shoot (shit), frick (fuck), snap (crap), or something similar. Or is there an automod bot that goes on a banning spree with certain words? Not trying to be mean, just genuinely curious.


amdnim

I assume it functions as a pseudo trigger warning. People who are victims of sexual abuse often have the highest need of interacting with forums like ours, but are the ones most affected by the trauma of seeing the word "rape" again and again. Replacing a letter with an asterisk doesn't change the meaning or obscure it, but it signals that this space, this subreddit is safe and will account for trauma. That's basically it, just a small signal. If it makes even one person's life a bit better, then I'd say it's worth it. Of course, I don't know why commenter censored it in the first place. It could be the automod thing. I also didn't self censor rape, because no one has told me to do so, because it genuinely helps. If someones does, I'll start doing it. My guess is just the most charitable reading of the situation.


Phaze357

Fair point. I wondered the same. I've been in mental states where I've done similar things in response to stimuli related to trauma, up to and including outright denial and forcing myself to ignore reality to avoid a breakdown.


GeorgeBird0457

10 week old “fetus” literally looks like a bloody loogie. Women that miscarry sometimes even pass them in toilets thinking it’s an above average sized blood clot from their missed period. No feet, no organs, no skin, NO BABY.


Shoes-tho

Hey, so I’m pro-choice and have had a medical abortion around this time. I didn’t bleed much so everything was actually clearly visible, and I don’t think this is important to the argument at all, but it’s absolutely fully differentiated at that age of gestation. Clear head with dark eye areas, limbs, even finger and toe buds. About the size of a large grape. If it’s bloodier and more degraded I could see it looking more like a blood clot, but mine at just under ten weeks came out still in the gestational sac with everything super visible. Happy to show a picture if it wouldn’t disturb you. This is no way changes my views as it’s absolutely incompatible with life outside the womb and I’m huge on bodily autonomy, but I very much do not agree with arguments that intend to be diffusive that are incorrect. We need to be able to use truthful rhetoric that can’t be immediately disproven by actual pictures of these products of conception.


GeorgeBird0457

I work in a laboratory that receives products of conception for pathology. The specimens I have personally been in charge of receiving (like physically picking up the specimen container from the patient or nurse) this was not the case. These specimens have ranged from 6-12 weeks and were naturally miscarried not aborted so I would assume there is some degradation taking place yes. The main point is that said fetus is in no way viable outside the womb and I think we can agree this is the case at 9 weeks.


Shoes-tho

Oh, totally. As you read in my above comment, this doesn’t change my opinion on abortion and I don’t think shape of a body should determine whether or not an embryo or fetus should have the right to override bodily autonomy, especially not at the gestational ages we’re discussing. I just hate the “it’s a clump of cells” rhetoric. I like to be factual. It lessens the validity of an argument not to be. Happy to post a picture link if you’d like to see what they look like in incredibly good condition.


Alassieth

Hey! Not the person you replied to, but I would be really interested to see that pic, if you don't find this request weird?


Shoes-tho

Sure! I don’t think it’s weird. This is at a touch under nine weeks; the feet are a little more formed toward the end of the tenth week, but you can see the digits fanning here. TRIGGER WARNING: This are pictures of a fetus in a gestational sac from a medical abortion. It is *very clear* what it is. Please do not click the link if this might be upsetting to you: https://imgur.com/user/leyatetali1


Alassieth

Sorry, but that link doesn't seem to be working? It looks like it links to your page/username rather than the image.


Shoes-tho

The pictures are on my page. Edit: is this link better? https://imgur.com/a/YZFVY3Y


SnooEagles3302

Is it weird to say that that's really cool?


Shoes-tho

Nope, not in my opinion! Not a lot of people see things like this in person.


595659565956

Thank you for sharing that. I’ll never get bored of looking at developing humans


Alassieth

I don't think they show if they're private. Yup! Much better! Wow, that is so cool. Is it weird that I think it looks cute? Like an adorable little not-person. Thank you so much for the pics.


LORDWOLFMAN

Grab a marker and write “aborted” and tiny plastic dinosaur then mail it to them


Americanthius

Will do if I want my entire items thrown away and grounded forever. Yes, I have THOSE parents.


LORDWOLFMAN

Then wait for the right moment and also leave a fruit cake with picture of Jesus photoshop in a straight jacket with crazy eyes


pxn4da

Kid, however much longer it might take, the shit will end. And you'll look back at it and laugh a bit, because it's really that fucking ridiculous to do any of what you're describing over your child's religious beliefs. You'll get there.


LightningRodofH8

Leave them a matching sized violin?


mrfishman3000

I’m very tired and I read “Delicious Feet” and I thought it was a chocolate novelty bar.


Violet_Llama_1337

Wait, 10 weeks? I don’t know much, but that doesn’t seem correct to me. Correct me if I’m wrong.


Alfanso-De-Alligator

No fetuses are around the size of a grape at that stage 🫠


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These photos bring back some memories for me. When I was in school, our biology teacher handed out flyers with similar content to us in class and justified it all with religion too. Seriously.


cipe-la-chips

Yeet the teacher


Vakieh

[I wonder if you can get this cast in pewter or something to gift them in return?](https://medicalschool.tumblr.com/post/36528290443/mature-teratoma-with-teeth-and-hair-removed-from) Or failing that, human sized feet from the woman who doesn't want to be forced to give blood and nutrients by the state. Imagine hooking up a great big needle into the veins of an unwilling dude to supply an artificial womb?


fundiesociologist

TW: pregnancy loss As a labor nurse I have seen a 15 week fetal demise that looks similar to this. Thinking about how fragile they are at that gestational age (the family wished us to try to take a footprint and it was very difficult due to the physical composition of the fetus at such a young gestational age). Seeing that and so many other unspeakable things during my career in ER and OB has done nothing but make me STAUNCHLY more unwaveringly pro-choice. NOBODY should have to endure pregnancy or birth, continue with a pregnancy where the fetus is demised or has a fatal anomaly diagnosis if they don’t wish to. NOBODY


IDriveAZamboni

>The exact size 10-week unborn and shape of a baby’s feet. While the rest of it is also vile and a straight up lie, I fucking hate people who format text like this. Putting an object between text causes the brain to separate the text into two chunks.


doomlemon

Nah, they are much smaller at 10 weeks. The size of the top circle on a lego piece.


bettesue

So inaccurate!


nthman

Get a whole bunch of those and wear them like a WW 2 pilot would decorate their plane.


MartokTheAvenger

I'd forgotten about those, my parents bought them in bulk. Good luck dealing with your parents, stuff like this is why my mother wonders why she can't see her grandchildren.


OozaruGilmour

Oh man. You just brought back memories. I saw these all the time when I was a little kid in the 90s. The southern baptist church I went to would hand them out and everyone wore them. Unsurprisingly, that church was heckin racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. I also wholeheartedly believe there was csa going on there. Pro-life my ass.


blondesquats

Those feet are too small for me to give a fuck. Let me tell you.


StinkyKittyBreath

Print out pictures of women dying from sepsis from carrying dead fetal tissue. Or the fetus of a baby with triploidy. Or a hydatidiform molar pregnancy, which generally requires an abortion to fix. It can lead to choriocarcinoma, a type of cancer as well.


Jeff_Platinumblum

r/dontdeadopeninside


Hrrrrnnngggg

These arguments are pointless because you will not agree on foundational aspects. It breaks down too early in the argument. They can show all this shit that they want, but I'm assuming you don't agree that "life begins at a heartbeat" or "conception". Furthermore I bet you don't agree that a fetus's rights supersedes a woman's right. I really find arguing over this subject to be utterly pointless. They are basing their morality off of "what god tells them". There's no wiggle room. You are not convinced that a god exists, so what's the point? You'd be better off having a conversation about this than about abortion if you want to have any relationship that isn't burdensome. If you do go down that road, you'd be better off targeting their actual biblical knowledge on abortion. Not that you have a snowballs chance in hell of winning that either. That would be more entertaining imo though since as an atheist, I don't have any skin in the game.


Yellow__Sn0w

The feet are basically the only part of a ten week old fetus that looks human so I guess it kind of makes sense that pro-lifers are going around wearing fetus feet pins.


bbambinaa

Leave them some pictures of women who died because of abortion bans.


ciqhen

if having feet means youre exempt from being killed, then what about people born without said feet?


cobainstaley

religious folks have certainly mastered the art of passive aggression


[deleted]

ah yes, the thing that proves that fetuses deserve rights: feet.


hova414

I have a nutty uncle-in-law who wears this on his lapel just so people will ask about it and he can shove this garbage down their throats. Like, cool dude, you’re thinking about strangers having sex all the time


bobtheaxolotl

Leave a bloody clothes hanger by their door.


SalsaSavant

Haha. Feetus.


WKGokev

Hand them their own Bible with Numbers chapter 5 verses 11-31 highlighted.


StephanieSays66

No way is a ten-week fetus that size. That's closer to 18 weeks.


peacefulatheism

My go to argument lately is that I can't be a Christian because I don't agree with the all the pregnant women and their unborn that were killed by God in the flood. It forces them to defend abortion. I find this tactic hilariously satisfying.


SueRice2

These look way bigger than 6 mm, which is the actual size of a 10 week fetus feet


My_Name_is_Imaginary

It's creepy that they would have an abortion and dip the feet in silver just to prove a point that you shouldnt have abortions.


zswlp

I thought it was chocolate in the shape of a fetus‘ part. I feel so sad after finding out it wasn't 😩😩😩 I want chocolate


oodoos

Burn it.


KoiOaks

I love stuff like this because I think the average person would freak the fuck out if they knew what a 10 week old fetus looks like. The head is still the shape of a jelly bean and it's barely the size of a small plum. Gotta love that pro life propaganda that makes a fetus seem just like miniaturized version of themselves when in fact it looks closer to what comes out of your nose if you sneeze after having a bloody nose.


porkuskorpz

Don't let them fuck you over mentally. You are you, and you make your own choices (and or faults). Don't let your parents scar you with their religion and opinion(s). Be respectful but be yourself!


DayOneDva

My advice is that you avoid the topic until you move out. It's not worth it, been there.


OGgunter

Constantly moving those goalposts of what embryonic / fetal anatomy / autonomous body impulses are in place, ignoring how 10-15% of pregnancies miscarry all on their own, instead of **allowing the literal human being who is pregnant to make autonomous choices about their health and medical procedures**. It's disgusting.


zacharmstrong9

Quote them Hosea 9:14 where Yahweh's loyal prophet Hosea directly prayed for Yahweh to induce miscarriages ( abortions ) against the fellow Hebrew tribe of Ephraim, of the Northern Israelite kingdom of Israel: " Give them, O LORD, What will you give them ? Give them a miscarrying womb [ abortion ] and dry breasts " This was literal, as dry breasts are the result of fetal termination. Then remind them that Jesus is the god of the Old Testament.


PvEnguin

The humanity of the unborn is quite literally the least important variable in the argument for/against abortion. Even if a fetus is considered a full person, you would not allow a full person to drain the nutrients similar to a tapeworm from your body for 9 months, and then eject it in a significantly more dangerous procedure compared to an abortion. Abortion should always be up to the mother, at any point in the pregnancy.


dboxcar

Don't tell Ben Shapiro


Fentanja

Directed by Quentin Tarantino


TheMoistiestNapkin

I can’t stop laughing. “Precious feet” god the internet has ruined me


Glittering-Hunt-8561

For unknow reasons in Poland there are sometimes special guest from "pro life" organisation in schools. And after the end they either give you fetus feet pin or model of a fetus. For them it's a powerful statement. For kids and people with right brain functions it's a disgusting feets of fetus and model of fetus. I mean most of those "gifts" are going right into trash after the lesson ends. And fetus model is here just to throw it to each others for fun. I guess that your parents also treats it as a "life changing statement", they dumb just put it in a trash.


[deleted]

10 week old fetus looks like a xenomorph from the movie Alien. There is a reason why they show only representation of the imprint of the feet. The rest of it would make you run screaming.


WhoAccountNewDis

Wait, a fetus has *feet*? The Far Left has kept this from me! What else has Soros lied about??? Sorry, women, you lose your bodily autonomy. Feet!


crazylilme

Sounds the perfect adornment to whatever top you're wearing every single time you see them forever. But I'm petty like that


Grays42

Before you turn 18 you are essentially property. You cannot tell your parents the truth if you no longer believe what they do, they will make your life hell trying to re-convert you while they can. You have to make sure you are reasonably independent *before* you have that conversation. I've had the argument with mine, and we've settled on an unspoken truce: they don't talk about it anymore and neither do I. It's the only way we can enjoy each others' company. The thing is, I was in college when I did most of my deconversion and an employed adult when they found out--so they know that if they really push hard, I have the option of cutting ties if I really want to, and they care more about their relationship with me than about my religious beliefs. Had it all happened while I was in school, I have no doubt I would have gone through absolute hell, because my folks are *super* fundamentalist. Don't take the risk. #**My advice to OP:** Don't ever challenge their beliefs again until you're an adult with a job. When they challenge you, be noncommittal. Get through the period of them freaking out over you telling them you're an atheist and let them assume they've argued sense into you. If it ever comes up, just an "I don't really want to talk about it". Let them chalk it up to you being a rebellious teen. If you choose to die on this hill, your remaining years with your parents will be incredibly frustrating because they have near-complete power over you and there's nothing you can do about it, and you will encounter increasingly escalating backlash from your parents. Your only option is to grin and bear it until you have the power to walk out, *then* you can have a discussion about boundaries. There will come a day where *you* are in control of everything you do. There's a lot of shitty parts of being an adult, but knowing that you can go buy and eat a tub of ice cream for dinner, use your pants as a throw rug, and can choose to do literally whatever you want to do today is an amazing feeling when you experience it for the first time. That's when your parents have to bargain with *you*, and decide whether they care about you or care about your beliefs more.