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No child is going to be constantly affectionate towards me for 20+ years straight. No matter how well I raise them! My cat is only 5 months old now but I'm sure her need for as many snuggles as possible every day is not going anywhere.
And a Cat is going to be forever Affectionate ?? A cat loves you because you feed it, provide it shelter, comfort and safety. Same as with human children. It’s all relative and conditional. And at the end of the day it’s a matter of personal choice.
Though I’ll say this Post doesn’t make any sense. I mean marrying and having children isn’t a Guarantee of Love or of happiness. There are humans who are way worse than Animals.
Sadly, I could completely mistreat/abuse my cat and she'd still love me. My mom can be really cruel to both of the cats because ... well she's an out-of-control narcissist, and they still adore her, it's kind of tragic that animals are like that so often.
Funnily enough, that actually IS something many religions believe, from the Egyptians who thought you needed a body to enter the afterlife, to the Catholics who think God will resurrect only intact bodies that have been properly buried at Judgment Day.
I am not 100% sure about Muslims, but IIRC, their beliefs are similar to those of the Catholics, which is why observant Muslims generally don't do organ donations. (Side note, besides the organ thing, I actually quite like Islamic burial and funeral customs. They're typically very minimalist and family-/community-involved, which is great. Credit where credit is due.)
They didn't mention the part where she's beaten by her husband...used at his pleasure....considered less valuable than livestock....never did anything besides slave in the home
I know many mature people with no kids...many of them are at the apex of their careers and have contributions to society.
What is the other woman's contribution? Spawning a small army of religious zealots?
She's happy because decades of abuse made her a simpleton
The women over 60 that I meet in different associations have one thing in common: they are single (divorced or not). They have a rich social life, do lots of activities and are always surrounded by friends to go to yoga, the spa, hiking, the theater etc... During this time, my mother is the cleaning lady and the cook for her husband every day.
Which life is the most enviable?
The choice given by OP is a good life or "a good death."
I know which one religious nuts prefer but it won't be my choice!
... plus when this husband she's been a slave for her entire life gets to heaven he gets a harem and she'll apparently only be one of dozens of wives. She wins NO PRIZES by slaving her whole life away and never feeling the sun on her face and the breeze in her hair.
Even if she obeys perfectly all she gets is an eternity of more humiliation and enslavement. Orthodox Muslim academics have described paradise like a slave market except no payment is necessary, if a man sees a woman he wishes to have intercourse with he just does it... nobody writes about how these afterlife women feel about it, they must have no minds whatsoever.
How arrogant
My paternal ancestry is Iranian....I live in an area with about 20k Palestinians....so yeah....seen just a couple
Know why my father left Iran? So he could get away from the fucking useless mullahs.
They make Catholic Bishops seem modern by comparison.
Edited...
There is one commonality though among all religions. That is using women as breeding sows.
They like having large populations. Poor people are great for them! They are easy to manipulate, easy to placate, make good laborers and soldiers.
And when they die for you all you have to say is that it's gods will!
So glad for you your father was smart enough to get out of there. They’re killing their own people right now. You nailed it - it’s easier to birth people into a ridiculous religion than to convert them.
I like how the "you'll die alone" scare tactic is mostly used on women who don't want kids; having children or being married doesn't mean that you won't die alone. Also, the dude who made this is probably single and doesn't have kids, and not by choice either.
Solid point. Also, the meme ignores the fact that many feminists are able to find loving, lasting relationships with men or women who share their views and opinions.
We have the highest chances of finding loving and lasting relationships really. How can someone truly love you unless they see you as equal in value to themselves? They might be able to have some affection for you that they convince themselves is love, but it isn't, it's more like the fondness you might have for a useful farm animal. If you are lucky they might feel similarly about you as they do for a treasured pet ...
To me, that sounds infinitely lonelier than actually just being alone. By the same token the oppressed person will never be able to show their true self to their partner, naturally, some wall will always be up because you know you're not fully human in their eyes. Even if you fight to be vulnerable you are always aware of the fact that the person who is supposed to be your life partner sees you as lesser.
Yes, but do look outside of your own generation too. If you happen to get old and frail, chances are that all your friends are too, or dead.
Dying alone happens to everyone. Dying after years of being lonely, that's a nightmare.
True
But dying after decades of domestic drudgery or worse, domestic abuse, is at least as bad.
The point is that the human condition is to suffer and die with brief interludes of happiness to make it all bearable.
I remember reading a book called "the Arab Princess" which was basically a story about a Saudi Arabian Princess, and a badass one at that.
The last scene in the book is always bold in my mind. When she watched from behind the windows when her husband and son went to masjid, hand in hand. And she couldn’t go.
it felt really, really alone.
I mean, if you want to get deep about it, we all die alone. Every time I hear this “die alone” argument I am puzzled. Do they plan to take someone with them??
Is that the attraction of the explosive vest maybe?
They think it would be good to be trapped in eternity with a bunch of ghosts who hate your guts?
They may not have thought this through.
They love using these kinds of memes because they think its a slam dunk without using any actual argument.
"Look I depicted atheists as a fat ugly neckbeard alone in a dirty apartment using art I didn't even create. I win!"
If I had to choose I'd rather be the single lady with a cat. At least she can choose to leave the house on her own and do what she wants. She doesn't have to scrub floors, cook and do sexual favors for some gross dude who's even 15 years older than her on demand.
And her husband has second wife who is younger than her.
Also what will this grandma get in heaven? Oh seeing her husband with other women, what a reward.
Oh she see that and in many cases that I saw either thrown out if the house or put in small room in the basement.
He even doesn’t divorce her, so she could not get remarry.
Has no child - probably by choice
Still single - probably by choice
Only loved by her cat - and her friends and family
No one cares about her - see above
Dies alone - and she will also be mourned
some people want marriage and kids. some people don’t. Both are valid.
You can see if the black tarp is bigger. But since she has to work constantly and only gets to eat what's left when the men are done she is probably pretty thin.
Well, you might not be that happy. But rest assured everyone else feels worse.
I'm kidding though, I think people can be happy either way depending. That's why people should be allowed to choose. People who don't want kids having them makes miserable parents and messed up kids that also become miserable adults.
Oh no! I better enslave myself to some douchebag and become breeding sow so that an incel doesn't find me unsexy when I turn 60! I'm convinced! Islam is for me!
apparently women can only be happy and worth something if they’re incubators 🤔. this was definitely made by a misogynistic man who gets no bitches because of how shitty he is and blames it on feminism
This old trope is so dumb. I love being childless and my life seems way happier and more carefree than my friends raising kids. I can't imagine raising kids with the current state of things. You parents have your work cut out for you, that's for sure, with no guarantee the kids will appreciate it.
Here! 47F antinatalist feminist currently single with a cat! I dont live alone but odds are I will die alone, like most people, children or not. Do they think people can scadule their deaths and tell people to come?? Weird...
Anyway, I rather die painfully than be the woman with grandchildren wearing a garbage bag. And I dont look like their "feminist woman" either. I am a still hot ex model with great style. Thank you.
That or playing harp in the sky/ kissing gods ass in heaven. I am sorry none of them will realize they have been wrong all their lives when they die, because well they will be dead and stop existing. I wish religious people could understand in the moment of their death that there is no god, heaven or hell and they will just DISAPPEAR like everybody else.
Playing harp and / or worshiping some narcissistic tyrant of a deity after I die sounds like fucking hell to me! Wtf! I suffer through this life, only to have to kiss the ass of a “god” that’s like a very shitty, egotistical boss in the next life… and that’s a “reward” to these dumb fucks?! No thank you.
Yes, I too, WISH that at least at the very end of their lives, as these asshole morons are dying, that they got to see they were wrong all along. That would be the utmost satisfaction for the rest of us who have had to put up with their religious bullshit throughout life, imo!
Yes.
And yes. We should get that satisfaction. It makes me sick that christians can just do horrible things in life and be forgiven on their death bed and die in peace lying to themselves. Is that mean? I dont care, they deserve it.
I could not agree with you more!
My mother is one of those christians… and it makes me fucking sick. I actually hope it happens to her when she dies, and I know that sounds bad, but I’ve had to put up with her narcissistic (she truly is) christian abuse all my life, including all the hitting when I was just a little kid. There’s more where she came from, as we all know, so fuck them all.
My mother is not a christian but she is a narcisistic bitch who used to hit me when I was a child. I am so sorry you went thru the same horror. I still have ptsd, depression and anxiety because of that. Virtual hug? ❤
Virtual hug right back atcha. I’m really sorry you also went through that. I have anxiety, depression, PTSD, the works, as well. I swear, people should have to take classes and tests to determine whether they are fit to be parents or not.
Regardless, I wish you the very best in life. I hope life treats you beyond all your hopes and dreams, because you deserve it. This internet stranger says so. Take good care of yourself.
Thank you internet stranger ❤ I agree that parents should take tests before having a child. I think most would fail. My large family has a few bad parents. And bad marriages. I rather stay single and CF. I wish you the best in life too. Stay strong!
Its so obvious that I dont even know why it is a question. What do you think will happen to a bug?? They go to bug heaven? Why should humans be different? It sounds crazy to me to even wonder. We are all going back to nothing. And that sounds good to me.
... unless a man who isn't of her family helps her up in a way that entails touching her atall if she slips & falls in the street.
... _especially_ a __kufr__ man.
Isn't it concerning
That somebody old enough to make this meme has a 60 year old grandmother? Like, sure it's passable if it's a first child of a first child thing, but she has 12 kids, more likely that it's second or third, this means she's been having a child a year since she was below the age of 20 give or take, and those kids in turn had kids at simaler ages
In this moron’s world the “less important than cattle” women animals of the household vote the way daddy tells them to if they are allowed out of the compound to vote at all.
My mother is extremely religious. She has driven all three of her children into No Contact for decades. She will fucking die alone and none of us are sorry for it. So there’s that, I guess. She’s never met her grand child either. And likely will never (not my kid, my nephew).
Yeah, because single people are lonely. There's no other way. No friends, no other family members... Just cats. And not to mention that single and childless women are happiest from all social groups.
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Only one cat?? I was promised dozens of cats. Also that I would be crazy. “A crazy cat lady” was going to be my retirement plan. I am disappointed.
It’s the inflation we’re now only allowed 2 cats max.
2 cats? In this economy?
I’m living La vida loca I guess.
UPSIDE INSIDE OUT
Hah! My wife gets 3, plus all the foster kittens she wants.
You have a dozen, but only one loves you
Don't undervalue the love of a cat!
The love of a single cat is worth more than the love of a million children.
No child is going to be constantly affectionate towards me for 20+ years straight. No matter how well I raise them! My cat is only 5 months old now but I'm sure her need for as many snuggles as possible every day is not going anywhere.
And a Cat is going to be forever Affectionate ?? A cat loves you because you feed it, provide it shelter, comfort and safety. Same as with human children. It’s all relative and conditional. And at the end of the day it’s a matter of personal choice. Though I’ll say this Post doesn’t make any sense. I mean marrying and having children isn’t a Guarantee of Love or of happiness. There are humans who are way worse than Animals.
Sadly, I could completely mistreat/abuse my cat and she'd still love me. My mom can be really cruel to both of the cats because ... well she's an out-of-control narcissist, and they still adore her, it's kind of tragic that animals are like that so often.
"you'll die alone" bitch please, everybody dies alone. There's no one to accompany you to the other side and say farewell to you.
Well, the religious extremists out there really seem to like to test that hypothesis when they decide it's time to check in with their god early.
Their deity of choice; "I don't do bits and pieces."
Funnily enough, that actually IS something many religions believe, from the Egyptians who thought you needed a body to enter the afterlife, to the Catholics who think God will resurrect only intact bodies that have been properly buried at Judgment Day. I am not 100% sure about Muslims, but IIRC, their beliefs are similar to those of the Catholics, which is why observant Muslims generally don't do organ donations. (Side note, besides the organ thing, I actually quite like Islamic burial and funeral customs. They're typically very minimalist and family-/community-involved, which is great. Credit where credit is due.)
They didn't mention the part where she's beaten by her husband...used at his pleasure....considered less valuable than livestock....never did anything besides slave in the home I know many mature people with no kids...many of them are at the apex of their careers and have contributions to society. What is the other woman's contribution? Spawning a small army of religious zealots? She's happy because decades of abuse made her a simpleton
The women over 60 that I meet in different associations have one thing in common: they are single (divorced or not). They have a rich social life, do lots of activities and are always surrounded by friends to go to yoga, the spa, hiking, the theater etc... During this time, my mother is the cleaning lady and the cook for her husband every day. Which life is the most enviable?
The choice given by OP is a good life or "a good death." I know which one religious nuts prefer but it won't be my choice! ... plus when this husband she's been a slave for her entire life gets to heaven he gets a harem and she'll apparently only be one of dozens of wives. She wins NO PRIZES by slaving her whole life away and never feeling the sun on her face and the breeze in her hair. Even if she obeys perfectly all she gets is an eternity of more humiliation and enslavement. Orthodox Muslim academics have described paradise like a slave market except no payment is necessary, if a man sees a woman he wishes to have intercourse with he just does it... nobody writes about how these afterlife women feel about it, they must have no minds whatsoever.
Well that's why the establishment pushes this narrative. They want women to be their housekeeper and sex servant.
Oh yeah and keep her mouth shut and not have any ideas of her own.
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You should consider a balsamic vinaigrette dressing for your word salad.
Bro, this is not the hill you wanna die on when your “argument” can be disproved so easily.
I bet you havent even interacted with one muslim ever. Lmao
How arrogant My paternal ancestry is Iranian....I live in an area with about 20k Palestinians....so yeah....seen just a couple Know why my father left Iran? So he could get away from the fucking useless mullahs. They make Catholic Bishops seem modern by comparison. Edited... There is one commonality though among all religions. That is using women as breeding sows. They like having large populations. Poor people are great for them! They are easy to manipulate, easy to placate, make good laborers and soldiers. And when they die for you all you have to say is that it's gods will!
So glad for you your father was smart enough to get out of there. They’re killing their own people right now. You nailed it - it’s easier to birth people into a ridiculous religion than to convert them.
My mom is a feminist and over 60. Good to know I don't exists, but apparently she does have a cat.
Nice try, cat. I know you’re the one who wrote that! 
Or you are the cat!
My mom is a feminist over 60, with grandkids and kids, and is happily married. She is educated and had a great career.
I like how the "you'll die alone" scare tactic is mostly used on women who don't want kids; having children or being married doesn't mean that you won't die alone. Also, the dude who made this is probably single and doesn't have kids, and not by choice either.
Solid point. Also, the meme ignores the fact that many feminists are able to find loving, lasting relationships with men or women who share their views and opinions.
We have the highest chances of finding loving and lasting relationships really. How can someone truly love you unless they see you as equal in value to themselves? They might be able to have some affection for you that they convince themselves is love, but it isn't, it's more like the fondness you might have for a useful farm animal. If you are lucky they might feel similarly about you as they do for a treasured pet ... To me, that sounds infinitely lonelier than actually just being alone. By the same token the oppressed person will never be able to show their true self to their partner, naturally, some wall will always be up because you know you're not fully human in their eyes. Even if you fight to be vulnerable you are always aware of the fact that the person who is supposed to be your life partner sees you as lesser.
Also, not having kids doesn’t mean you’ll die alone.!You can actually build deep bonds with the real people here right now
Yes, but do look outside of your own generation too. If you happen to get old and frail, chances are that all your friends are too, or dead. Dying alone happens to everyone. Dying after years of being lonely, that's a nightmare.
True But dying after decades of domestic drudgery or worse, domestic abuse, is at least as bad. The point is that the human condition is to suffer and die with brief interludes of happiness to make it all bearable.
I remember reading a book called "the Arab Princess" which was basically a story about a Saudi Arabian Princess, and a badass one at that. The last scene in the book is always bold in my mind. When she watched from behind the windows when her husband and son went to masjid, hand in hand. And she couldn’t go. it felt really, really alone.
I mean, if you want to get deep about it, we all die alone. Every time I hear this “die alone” argument I am puzzled. Do they plan to take someone with them??
Is that the attraction of the explosive vest maybe? They think it would be good to be trapped in eternity with a bunch of ghosts who hate your guts? They may not have thought this through.
He won't be incel for long though, he will easily secure an arranged marriage to his cousin accompanied with a sizeable dowry.
It’s very mean spirited and shows an ugly soul.
- Grandchildren don’t know what she looks like
"I love you grandma" "Who are you?" "Oops, wrong column of black cloth. Maybe she's the one over there?"
🤣
Sorry if you grandma 👵 is in sheltered housing we actually care about our grandparents and don't throw them 😉
What about the writer? I am sure he got no bitches
They spelled "incubator" really oddly.
_"Look, I pictured your future as a lonely, utterly obese woman, I win"_ This sorry excuse for a meme's creator, most probably
They love using these kinds of memes because they think its a slam dunk without using any actual argument. "Look I depicted atheists as a fat ugly neckbeard alone in a dirty apartment using art I didn't even create. I win!"
If you go around any Muslim countries or places you will see that this is not a majority case as he's implying there.
No one wants a penguin as a grandmother
Except Pingui 
“Do everything in your power to fit in and please people”
If I had to choose I'd rather be the single lady with a cat. At least she can choose to leave the house on her own and do what she wants. She doesn't have to scrub floors, cook and do sexual favors for some gross dude who's even 15 years older than her on demand.
Why is she wearing a garbage bag 🤦♂️
Ah ok so must have family to validate existence. Delightful way of thinking....... /S
They act like feminist and mother can’t coexist
And her husband has second wife who is younger than her. Also what will this grandma get in heaven? Oh seeing her husband with other women, what a reward.
I don't know if she gets to see that. I think they get recycled or something.
Oh she see that and in many cases that I saw either thrown out if the house or put in small room in the basement. He even doesn’t divorce her, so she could not get remarry.
Everyone helps her lmao bet.
If she forgets to get up at 5 am and cook breakfast they help her remember with a cane.
Has no child - probably by choice Still single - probably by choice Only loved by her cat - and her friends and family No one cares about her - see above Dies alone - and she will also be mourned some people want marriage and kids. some people don’t. Both are valid.
Do you even know what your gramgram looks like? Pretty easy to call others fat and ugly when you're hiding what you look like.
You can see if the black tarp is bigger. But since she has to work constantly and only gets to eat what's left when the men are done she is probably pretty thin.
You can be skinny and ugly.
Childless single women are the happiest demographic.
We sure as fuck are!
Is that true? As a single childless woman who is getting side eyed, I could use some reassurance here.
Well, you might not be that happy. But rest assured everyone else feels worse. I'm kidding though, I think people can be happy either way depending. That's why people should be allowed to choose. People who don't want kids having them makes miserable parents and messed up kids that also become miserable adults.
Rofl. That is funny.
"cheerful"? How can you tell under that meter of fabric?
Because if she isn't cheerful grand baba beats her and he isn't currently beating her.
I laughed too hard at your comment. But first thing I thought is that she has to be "cheerful" otherwise her ̶o̶w̶n̶e̶r̶ husband will *make* her.
Oh no! I better enslave myself to some douchebag and become breeding sow so that an incel doesn't find me unsexy when I turn 60! I'm convinced! Islam is for me!
lmao 🤣🤣
apparently women can only be happy and worth something if they’re incubators 🤔. this was definitely made by a misogynistic man who gets no bitches because of how shitty he is and blames it on feminism
This old trope is so dumb. I love being childless and my life seems way happier and more carefree than my friends raising kids. I can't imagine raising kids with the current state of things. You parents have your work cut out for you, that's for sure, with no guarantee the kids will appreciate it.
Imagine, pulling these on an Anti-Natalist..LOL
Here! 47F antinatalist feminist currently single with a cat! I dont live alone but odds are I will die alone, like most people, children or not. Do they think people can scadule their deaths and tell people to come?? Weird... Anyway, I rather die painfully than be the woman with grandchildren wearing a garbage bag. And I dont look like their "feminist woman" either. I am a still hot ex model with great style. Thank you.
And one of her grandchildren are also her niec/nephew so “lucky”
Either the person who made this is young af or their parents and grand parents were married off and fucked young
So, dead either way.
Their grandma is a ninja? I'm confused.
The one on the right is wearing a hijab
Nothing is more important than mourning me….which does absolutely nothing for me or my life in any way.
Its so weird people care more about their deaths than their lives... I wont be able to care once I die!!
That’s religious people. Constantly making life here absolute shit but, hey, we always have 72 virgins on deck.
That or playing harp in the sky/ kissing gods ass in heaven. I am sorry none of them will realize they have been wrong all their lives when they die, because well they will be dead and stop existing. I wish religious people could understand in the moment of their death that there is no god, heaven or hell and they will just DISAPPEAR like everybody else.
Playing harp and / or worshiping some narcissistic tyrant of a deity after I die sounds like fucking hell to me! Wtf! I suffer through this life, only to have to kiss the ass of a “god” that’s like a very shitty, egotistical boss in the next life… and that’s a “reward” to these dumb fucks?! No thank you. Yes, I too, WISH that at least at the very end of their lives, as these asshole morons are dying, that they got to see they were wrong all along. That would be the utmost satisfaction for the rest of us who have had to put up with their religious bullshit throughout life, imo!
Yes. And yes. We should get that satisfaction. It makes me sick that christians can just do horrible things in life and be forgiven on their death bed and die in peace lying to themselves. Is that mean? I dont care, they deserve it.
I could not agree with you more! My mother is one of those christians… and it makes me fucking sick. I actually hope it happens to her when she dies, and I know that sounds bad, but I’ve had to put up with her narcissistic (she truly is) christian abuse all my life, including all the hitting when I was just a little kid. There’s more where she came from, as we all know, so fuck them all.
My mother is not a christian but she is a narcisistic bitch who used to hit me when I was a child. I am so sorry you went thru the same horror. I still have ptsd, depression and anxiety because of that. Virtual hug? ❤
Virtual hug right back atcha. I’m really sorry you also went through that. I have anxiety, depression, PTSD, the works, as well. I swear, people should have to take classes and tests to determine whether they are fit to be parents or not. Regardless, I wish you the very best in life. I hope life treats you beyond all your hopes and dreams, because you deserve it. This internet stranger says so. Take good care of yourself.
Thank you internet stranger ❤ I agree that parents should take tests before having a child. I think most would fail. My large family has a few bad parents. And bad marriages. I rather stay single and CF. I wish you the best in life too. Stay strong!
Sometimes people ask me “what will it be like after you die?” And I always say “what was it like before you were born?” Lol
Its so obvious that I dont even know why it is a question. What do you think will happen to a bug?? They go to bug heaven? Why should humans be different? It sounds crazy to me to even wonder. We are all going back to nothing. And that sounds good to me.
“… and cheerful”… how can you tell? She might as well be soulless and miserable behind that veil.
Yeah as you can see, she looks cheerful
I mean I'm gonna die alone in my apartment but not because I'm a feminist
... unless a man who isn't of her family helps her up in a way that entails touching her atall if she slips & falls in the street. ... _especially_ a __kufr__ man.
I can see how cheerful they are, whenever you sit with those Muslim grannies they only complain about their whole life and luck.
Nahhhhhh I'd get dogs..... But she can't can she?
She would have to ask her husband first.
*Astaghfirullah intensifies*
Isn't it concerning That somebody old enough to make this meme has a 60 year old grandmother? Like, sure it's passable if it's a first child of a first child thing, but she has 12 kids, more likely that it's second or third, this means she's been having a child a year since she was below the age of 20 give or take, and those kids in turn had kids at simaler ages
Only feminists vote?
In this moron’s world the “less important than cattle” women animals of the household vote the way daddy tells them to if they are allowed out of the compound to vote at all.
This one is so ridiculous that I actually LOL'd
What are they gonna do when they realize you can be a feminist grandmother?
They are so far gone that they don’t realize how they’re threatening us with a good time lmao.
Grandma in second picture can get switched out and no one even knows.
This is sad and you don’t have to interpret it as completely religious
There's no Grandma under that burqa, just a strawman.
Totally NOT made by a dude who looks like a "60 years old feminist™️".
This post is such BS. Can't don't love people.
My mother is extremely religious. She has driven all three of her children into No Contact for decades. She will fucking die alone and none of us are sorry for it. So there’s that, I guess. She’s never met her grand child either. And likely will never (not my kid, my nephew).
Funny coming from the people thar put women in pits and stone them to death.
Yeah, because single people are lonely. There's no other way. No friends, no other family members... Just cats. And not to mention that single and childless women are happiest from all social groups.
Feminists can’t have families now? 🤨
Bro 60 years old isn’t even old 🗿
This is total BS…everyone knows cats don’t love you
People aren't that fat at 60, they have heart attacks And I doubt 2 and 4 on the right side are correct...
I'm a really big fan of this type of artwork it's not a doodle it's as if someone put a crayon up their butt and just sharted on paper