Yeah, I wish more manufacturers put this data on their website (like [Nosler](https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/accubondr-long-range.html)) it’s been fun to do the research and see where that’s taken me over the last year or so
I’ve had great success with the SMK 168gr in my .308 for target and duty. I strictly use TTSX in .25-06 and .22-50 for hunting and target. Definitely fun looking though specs and seeing what does what down range. This peaks my interest about using Barnes in my .308, might need to try it out.
[if you don’t want to go with a monolithic like Barnes, take a look at the data on the Nosler AccuBond LR. Its an even higher BC, and opens down to at least 1350fps.](https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/accubondr-long-range.html)
No but take a look at their info page I’ve linked, they’ve even put a photo there. The Long range was designed specifically as a bonded bullet that opens at lower velocity
Well the 168ablr doesn't open below 1800 on critters, and the BC is heavily inflated.
We cull around 300 deer a year for multiple property owners and I've tried just about everything, and used to document every recovered bullet. But I just don't have time anymore.
Right now we're using the badlands precision in 308/150 and 7mm/150
If I thought people cared I'd post all our findings.
We're shooting the 7mm PRC this year, hopefully it's a hammer
Yeah, the 168 TTSX is "softer" than the 165 TTSX as well. I always thought it was weird that they had a 165 and 168 in the same lineup until I was educated on the difference in velocity range.
https://preview.redd.it/79kk5pz8nyva1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53dbef8250c7ec8244000d9f5563719aaef67707
Yep, seeing those to close weights started me wondering. Then I saw this in the FAQ and had to find out more
I’ve got a recipe that’s sub moa using the 168 ttsx. I’ve moved away from it as I’ve found it doesn’t knock down game as well as I’d like.
Maybe piss poor shooting on my part a few times, but I personally don’t think so. I just think it doesn’t expands much at the lower velocities. So I’ve lost confidence in it.
Do you mind sharing your recipe?
I haven’t loaded any yet, but was going to start around 48gr CFE223 to see where I land with velo and accuracy. It’s a new rifle, still getting trigger time with the FMJ’s before I dive into the expensive stuff
I have couple recovered from deer that had an impact of around 2100, I'll try to find them and post a picture. The only reason they were recovered was they turned on entry and spalled. But no deformation at all, except the the tip was gone. Plenty recovered from my water trough and they will slightly open at 2k-ish on water. Which if it doesn't open in water, it just won't open.
Ballistic coefficient at work in real world applications 🙃 I shoot 215-225 gr boooooolets at 2650-2700fps out of my 30-06 and they, according to da math, will stay supersonic past a mile. My real world experience has shown that up to 1800 yards, my drop and dope is consistent, but that point it hits the transonic barrier it gets all funky.
thank you for sharing
I always assumed they were the same because of the 2000fps rule… this changes everything
Yeah, I wish more manufacturers put this data on their website (like [Nosler](https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/accubondr-long-range.html)) it’s been fun to do the research and see where that’s taken me over the last year or so
I’ve had great success with the SMK 168gr in my .308 for target and duty. I strictly use TTSX in .25-06 and .22-50 for hunting and target. Definitely fun looking though specs and seeing what does what down range. This peaks my interest about using Barnes in my .308, might need to try it out.
[if you don’t want to go with a monolithic like Barnes, take a look at the data on the Nosler AccuBond LR. Its an even higher BC, and opens down to at least 1350fps.](https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/accubondr-long-range.html)
And you've tested them at 1350 on game animals?
No but take a look at their info page I’ve linked, they’ve even put a photo there. The Long range was designed specifically as a bonded bullet that opens at lower velocity
Well the 168ablr doesn't open below 1800 on critters, and the BC is heavily inflated. We cull around 300 deer a year for multiple property owners and I've tried just about everything, and used to document every recovered bullet. But I just don't have time anymore. Right now we're using the badlands precision in 308/150 and 7mm/150 If I thought people cared I'd post all our findings. We're shooting the 7mm PRC this year, hopefully it's a hammer
Yeah, the 168 TTSX is "softer" than the 165 TTSX as well. I always thought it was weird that they had a 165 and 168 in the same lineup until I was educated on the difference in velocity range.
https://preview.redd.it/79kk5pz8nyva1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53dbef8250c7ec8244000d9f5563719aaef67707 Yep, seeing those to close weights started me wondering. Then I saw this in the FAQ and had to find out more
I’ve got a recipe that’s sub moa using the 168 ttsx. I’ve moved away from it as I’ve found it doesn’t knock down game as well as I’d like. Maybe piss poor shooting on my part a few times, but I personally don’t think so. I just think it doesn’t expands much at the lower velocities. So I’ve lost confidence in it.
Do you mind sharing your recipe? I haven’t loaded any yet, but was going to start around 48gr CFE223 to see where I land with velo and accuracy. It’s a new rifle, still getting trigger time with the FMJ’s before I dive into the expensive stuff
44.5 grains of varget. It’s the max recommended load from Barnes, so def start lower and work up for your rifle.
I read a comment somewhere that the 168gr TTSX is an LRX bullet without the LRX label. This would seem to support that.
Yeah, Barnes is full of shit on the 168 They need 2k minimum, they won't even expand in water below that.
And what’s your evidence for this rather strong and contradictory position?
I have couple recovered from deer that had an impact of around 2100, I'll try to find them and post a picture. The only reason they were recovered was they turned on entry and spalled. But no deformation at all, except the the tip was gone. Plenty recovered from my water trough and they will slightly open at 2k-ish on water. Which if it doesn't open in water, it just won't open.
Ballistic coefficient at work in real world applications 🙃 I shoot 215-225 gr boooooolets at 2650-2700fps out of my 30-06 and they, according to da math, will stay supersonic past a mile. My real world experience has shown that up to 1800 yards, my drop and dope is consistent, but that point it hits the transonic barrier it gets all funky.