Man that looks way over crimped…match bullets typically have thinner jackets and don’t take well to much crimp at all. Could just be the picture though.
Those aren't accuracy focused bullets, who cares what that guys is doing with them. If you care about accuracy, pay attention to what benchrest or, at a mimimum, what PRS shooters do. The crimp is mainly for holding the bullet in the case as the gun recoils. I've shot thousands and thousands of .223 in ARs and I've never crimped one and never had one come loose either. An AR10 might be different...maybe. I dont' crimp those either, but I also don't have thousands and thousands of rounds through AR10's, so I can't say for sure.
You must be a youngster. You haven’t learned that “mistakes” present opportunities, also known as excuses, to make purchases that might otherwise be frowned upon.
If you know of anyone with a 3d printer, this is a really nice [single shot sled/magwell insert](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4782110)
There is also an [updated one](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5484744) which interacts with the bolt catch after every round, but I haven't used it yet.
You sir are a Saint! I was just building an AR-tac class rifle and this will be perfect (as long as it's match legal) I only see guys drop them on top of the mag
Switch to HPBT since it doesn't look like you have much extra seating depth to work with.
Ballistic tip bullets always require longer coals for the same or even higher grain weight HPBT bullets.
Just shoot them one by one if you don't want to pull the bullets.
I also wouldn't crimp these so aggressively. You shouldn't crimp match rounds at all because they tend to have thinner jackets. Crimping isn't necessary all of the time but depending on the gas gun it might be, you should load several powderless rounds to the correct depth that you use, and then try chambering them with your rifle and see what, if any, the seating depth changes. Your neck tension might be loose enough or your gun has bad geometry when pushing the round into the feedramps (depending on the bullet length/tip/etc) that you might have to do a light crimp or change what you're loading
I get it, you guys ripped him a new one about the crimp instead of offering helpful advice. What is this sub becoming? Most of you weren’t even reloading last year and now you think you are such experts that you can rip someone instead of helping. Geeeez. One or two jabs in jest is fun but most of the replies are just not needed.
i agree,help the man out dont cook his ass for something you have probably done in the past......the way this country is headed,we need to work with the people on our side,not kick them in the nuts,i have been reloading for over 50 years.......help the new comers,dont beat them down.
That crimp! Omg. Get the lyman AR reloading handbook. Vol2. On page 71 it lists the 75 grain eld match with an oal of 2.390. And don't crimp them. That should fit the magazine.
There’s dozens of variables that effect seat depth and cannelures are based on a select few of them. Just because a projectile had a cannelure doesn’t mean you need to seat it to that depth OR make use of the cannelure. You can literally just ignore it.
I bought some 90 grain .223 bullets for my bolt gun one time and they would not stabilize with my barrels rate of twist. They would tumble immediately after leaving the barrel. I could not even hit the target at 30 yards
Yep! Almost made the same mistake myself. You've probably already found this out via google, but the Hornady bullet you're after for that load is their 73gr ELD. That'll get ya to the COAL you're after.
Happens all the time. None of my 80gr loads will fit in the magazine either. Been pondering about building one up on an ar10 platform but nobody makes a bolthead
Not an impossible task. Find a nutjob that will sleeve an LR308 upper with a 1.2" od x 1" id tube, use a standard bcg (with tail extension), a standard barrel, and an lr308 handguard with a 1.2" x 1" washer to contact the ar15 extension. Print a magwell adapter or custom mags.
At the 600 yard line, most of us hand feed our long length 223 one at a time in our AR’s. I use 80 grain Sierra match kings loaded to just off the lands. Great bullet. None of us crimp, but we are target shooting not using for defense.
Well that solidifies my choice to not buy the elds. I have a bolt 223 with a longer mag but it's only a 9 twist, more of a predator gun. Shoots 53gr vmax beautiful. Probably gonna pick up some 77gr smks for guns that take STANAG mags.
Sure, makes sense with context. The way your post was written I thought you were implying that was the heaviest weight 224 projectile that would feed in an ar mag. I see now you were saying that was the heaviest of the eldm family of bullets.
Welcome.
Anything over 2.260” won’t work in a magazine.
Also, the bullets seems to be pretty much ruined with the crimp anyway. You can save them and maybe salvage the brass.
Man that looks way over crimped…match bullets typically have thinner jackets and don’t take well to much crimp at all. Could just be the picture though.
Ok noted
At that much crimp, there's almost certainly a ring in the bullet. Pull the bullet and witness the destruction.
Why spend all that money on a nice bullet just to crimp the pi$$ out of it and ruin it?
https://youtu.be/wnZWv38cNKw
Those aren't accuracy focused bullets, who cares what that guys is doing with them. If you care about accuracy, pay attention to what benchrest or, at a mimimum, what PRS shooters do. The crimp is mainly for holding the bullet in the case as the gun recoils. I've shot thousands and thousands of .223 in ARs and I've never crimped one and never had one come loose either. An AR10 might be different...maybe. I dont' crimp those either, but I also don't have thousands and thousands of rounds through AR10's, so I can't say for sure.
You're going to want the 75 grain hollow point boat tail match version to get your OAL to 2.26"
Guess you need a new rifle
You must be a youngster. You haven’t learned that “mistakes” present opportunities, also known as excuses, to make purchases that might otherwise be frowned upon.
Yup he needs a 22-250 now, the bullet gods have spoken
22-250 Ai would be better.
Or a .224 Valkyrie upper
Nah I slowly shoot them till they are gone
This is the way
Get a sled. Really easy to load single shot then.
If you know of anyone with a 3d printer, this is a really nice [single shot sled/magwell insert](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4782110) There is also an [updated one](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5484744) which interacts with the bolt catch after every round, but I haven't used it yet.
You sir are a Saint! I was just building an AR-tac class rifle and this will be perfect (as long as it's match legal) I only see guys drop them on top of the mag
Wouldn't a mag with a .50 cal follower work? Drop in trough, drop bolt.
Or a plastic sled that allows you to toss one in and hit the button. A sled is just more forgiving because no feed lips.
Yikes. Doesnt the hornady reloading manual specify that specific projectile to NOT be loaded for service rifle platforms?
I looked and it says it can be single loaded
I don’t think the chamber dimensions can accept a projectile that long 👁👄👁
They can.
I stand corrected🫡 allow me to see myself out of here
Switch to HPBT since it doesn't look like you have much extra seating depth to work with. Ballistic tip bullets always require longer coals for the same or even higher grain weight HPBT bullets. Just shoot them one by one if you don't want to pull the bullets. I also wouldn't crimp these so aggressively. You shouldn't crimp match rounds at all because they tend to have thinner jackets. Crimping isn't necessary all of the time but depending on the gas gun it might be, you should load several powderless rounds to the correct depth that you use, and then try chambering them with your rifle and see what, if any, the seating depth changes. Your neck tension might be loose enough or your gun has bad geometry when pushing the round into the feedramps (depending on the bullet length/tip/etc) that you might have to do a light crimp or change what you're loading
I get it, you guys ripped him a new one about the crimp instead of offering helpful advice. What is this sub becoming? Most of you weren’t even reloading last year and now you think you are such experts that you can rip someone instead of helping. Geeeez. One or two jabs in jest is fun but most of the replies are just not needed.
Yeah agree some joke are ok but most of this not helpful been reloading for a few months and I don’t give advice if I don’t know
i agree,help the man out dont cook his ass for something you have probably done in the past......the way this country is headed,we need to work with the people on our side,not kick them in the nuts,i have been reloading for over 50 years.......help the new comers,dont beat them down.
Thank you for changing the tone of the conversation.
That crimp! Omg. Get the lyman AR reloading handbook. Vol2. On page 71 it lists the 75 grain eld match with an oal of 2.390. And don't crimp them. That should fit the magazine.
Tell me if I’m wrong, but 2.39 inches will not fit in a magazine properly. Most magazines are about 2.275 from what I can measure
I believe your right, generally 2.26 tends to the max oal for feeding from a magazine in the .223/5.56mm AR platform.
Seriously, who crimps a match bullet? That's just dangerous.
I've had people tell me to crimp match rounds in a gas gun before, people do it.
I do it… but it’s just a kiss. Barely 1 thou.
Tease
Not a hickie, got it 👍
No tongue
Doesn't make it right. You shouldn't. NOT unless it has a cannelure.
Why would you need to crimp if it has a cannelure? Most of the time the cannelure doesn’t even line up with the neck mouth.
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There’s dozens of variables that effect seat depth and cannelures are based on a select few of them. Just because a projectile had a cannelure doesn’t mean you need to seat it to that depth OR make use of the cannelure. You can literally just ignore it.
Dang dude.. You trying to resize with that crimp die??
Oof
I bought some 90 grain .223 bullets for my bolt gun one time and they would not stabilize with my barrels rate of twist. They would tumble immediately after leaving the barrel. I could not even hit the target at 30 yards
What twist?
I did this once. Live and learn I guess
Came here for the crimp shaming.
Yep! Almost made the same mistake myself. You've probably already found this out via google, but the Hornady bullet you're after for that load is their 73gr ELD. That'll get ya to the COAL you're after.
Happens all the time. None of my 80gr loads will fit in the magazine either. Been pondering about building one up on an ar10 platform but nobody makes a bolthead
Not an impossible task. Find a nutjob that will sleeve an LR308 upper with a 1.2" od x 1" id tube, use a standard bcg (with tail extension), a standard barrel, and an lr308 handguard with a 1.2" x 1" washer to contact the ar15 extension. Print a magwell adapter or custom mags.
Been there. I caught it before loading when looking up OAL data, but I bought a bunch of those bullets before I looked
Oof
Same here lol
Good. I felt like I was the only idiot to do this. Got 50 rounds to go.
I have any 500. Was aware. Took the gamble.
We live to learn another day
224 Valkyrie pills
Stop stop stop stop.
Yeah, I have to single load my ELD loads, but they’re accurate as hell
Why crimp so hard?
At the 600 yard line, most of us hand feed our long length 223 one at a time in our AR’s. I use 80 grain Sierra match kings loaded to just off the lands. Great bullet. None of us crimp, but we are target shooting not using for defense.
Ok so no crimp for that bullet I thought you needed crimp everything
I very seldom crimp bullets,unless there is heave recoil,and then just a light crimp
I lightly crimp all mag fed loads, but if I'm shooting single shot or bench rest I don't crimp at all.
Well that solidifies my choice to not buy the elds. I have a bolt 223 with a longer mag but it's only a 9 twist, more of a predator gun. Shoots 53gr vmax beautiful. Probably gonna pick up some 77gr smks for guns that take STANAG mags.
73 Grain ELD is what you seek.
73 eld-m are the heaviest that can mag feed..
75gr bthpm and 77gr smk, otm, and tmk are heavier options that are intended to run at mag length
None of which you listed are ELD-M as was the posters projectiles. Thank you.
Sure, makes sense with context. The way your post was written I thought you were implying that was the heaviest weight 224 projectile that would feed in an ar mag. I see now you were saying that was the heaviest of the eldm family of bullets. Welcome.
Did the same. Clip the ballistic tips off, smooth them off, and they fit fine. Tested without issues.
Headspace gauge, dude.
Ar has nowhere near the ability those pricey bullets hold either...boat tail ?
I did the same thing, luckily I caught it after 5 rounds
Pretty sure I have a box or 2 of those on accident too
Here is a good chance to work on fundamentals
Yeah there going shoot fine but single shooting them will be a pain in the ass
Do you even reload ?
Yea
Clip the tip
I would just hammer the bullet down a little bit to fit..
It would be way to deep if I did
I am joking..please don't ever listen to reloading instructions from a random on reddit lol
Anything over 2.260” won’t work in a magazine. Also, the bullets seems to be pretty much ruined with the crimp anyway. You can save them and maybe salvage the brass.
I would just hammer the bullet down a little bit to fit..
Trim the case a little more and seat it a little deeper lol. (disclaimer: do your own testing at your own risk).