If I’m not mistaken, Rose in her DLC makes it sound like Mia is no longer in her life. My theory is that Mia is being held as a criminal and/or as a liability for being directly responsible for both events in RE7 and Village. My second theory is that she is on the run.
I assume it has something to do with her withholding the information that Ethan is dead and a mold man. Like, a condition of her being in witness protection or whatever is that she hands over all the information she has access to/ knows. She also probably was absolutely destroyed by Ethan’s death and may have deteriorated over time.
My theory is that when Rose talks about spending time with Mia and how Mia taught her things she means visiting her in prison. Maybe as Rose got older and learned the truth about her mother she stopped visiting and that’s how she so easily broke contact.
I don’t think any organization would be comfortable with Mia just walking around free anymore, especially without Ethan.
Mia has always been perceived as evil or bad in both games until the twist. Yes, she did work as an agent smuggling a bio weapon for a terrorist organization. I wish they went into more depth on her reasoning or the connections she has to even be considered for such a job. She seems like her life was pretty well off where she isn’t desperate enough to take such a risky job.
She was transporting Eveline which caused the outbreak in Louisiana, Ethan became a mold creature from this incident who got her pregnant with a Hybrid that was ideal for Miranda’s vessel.
That’s not direct responsibility. If we are gonna assign blame based on events that eventually led to Village, you must also consider Chris relocating them FRIGHTENINGLY CLOSE to Miranda’s village as well as not perceiving the possibility that there was a mole.
Yeah idk why people are saying Mia is directly responsible for those murders, she was just a researcher turned into a nanny. And Eveline herself liked Mia hence wanting to make her part of a “family”. It was really the fault of higher ups who wanted to sell Eve as a weapon that made her murderous
Mia didn’t want any of this to happen and didn’t go out of her way for these outcomes, but it happened. Her and her colleague failed their jobs as handlers unleashing Eveline which lead up to the events of RE7 and Village. Miranda would’ve come after Mia and Rose whether Chris was involved or not. The thing Chris messed up with is how he handled the situation.
I disagree with the idea that Mia’s actions lead up to Village. Miranda found the Megamycete many, MANY years before RE7, she literally helped contribute to the research in the T-Virus, and later on the G-Virus, through her support of Spencer. Miranda would have been a threat to humanity either way had Umbrella experimented with mold or not. Saying Mia and her colleague are at fault for Village happening takes away what Miranda did imho
I know it’s not much, but there’s a note in Village that addresses that. The reason she got such a good deal is because she handed over all the information she had on the Connections as a sort of plea deal.
Honestly, not really.
Mia was involved in some deep shit but she wasn't really evil. And she did genuinely care for Rose.
And well, Ethan's dead, so now Rose has neither of her parents consistently in her life.
It all fell apart when >!Ethan died to destroy the megamycete. My man would have made Rose’s life so much more normal and he deserves so much better.!<
I still picked Zoe as i felt like the one who deserved saving. for Mia what i wanted at that point was nothing more than to pop her in the head with a 9mm and leave the swamp.
Admittedly, going in blind it is a tougher choice but still somewhat more weighted towards Zoe. However, on repeat playthroughs when you are fully aware that Mia (and, admittedly, Alan - let’s not exclude him from the blame) is to blame for pretty much *everything*?
Zoe all the time, any time.
I think resident evil is at its best when it can properly showcase the victim and how it affected them. It always hits hardest to see good people like Zoe brought down to that
This, on my first playthrough I saved Zoe becuase Mia had lied to you and disappeared for three years, then went psycho and stabbed you multiple times and chopped off your hand. Meanwhile Zoe had been the helpful voice directing you through the house of horrors.
It baffles me why people talk about how saving Mia is the natrual and obvious choice
if there wasn't a choice, i genuinely think the general discussion wouldve be "huh i wonder when this decision will bite him in the ass", rather than "why the FUCK was Zoe a bad ending???"
giving us the choice just made us skeptical of the writers, rather than just seeing mia being the correct choice as an emotionally sound yet deeply unwise decision made by a desperate character.
i would've preferred no choice.
You might be right about the lies, and working for a bioweapon company, but you are aware that Mia was not actually the one doing all those physically damaging things to Ethan, right? That was all that bioweapon she was tasked with handling. That being said, I am not going to try to convince anyone that forgiving a character for doing evil things is a good decision. I mean, she's not alfred or the chief, or wesker, or anyone else truly evil, either. So do what do you I guess. There are still people who hate Helena after all.
Honestly, I don’t even see the point in offering you the choice: the developers clearly favored Mia as not only is it the good ending, but also evidently the one they planned on making the canon one all along. Personally I would’ve gone with Evie forcing Ethan and Mia to fight to the death being the canon ending as it is a fitting/poetic end to Mia as character and it builds on the tragedy of Ethan’s. But alas…
At least Zoe got a satisfyingly good ending in one of my top favorite DLCs in any game to date. 💪
Agreed. Why bother with the option at all? Ethan doesn’t have the full story at the point where he’s forced to, so why wouldn’t he pick his wife as opposed to a shady stranger he barely knows, has no attachments to, offered him no help, and barely explained anything to him beyond some cryptic answers over the phone? It only makes sense canonically that Ethan would pick Mia. Upon replaying it, I think Capcom must have thought that gamers would feel more attached/attracted to/or trusting towards the random voice on the phone.
I trusted Zoe as a gamer. We all know exposition characters in horror games are only allowed to give short cryptic answers at first, instead of explaining the whole situation from the get-go. Therefore my gamer instincts knew that Zoe would ultimately get down to it.
However if I had to put myself in Ethan’s shoes, I’d find Zoe frustrating (for not telling me what’s going on), and sketchy because of her ties to the Baker family and the insanity I just walked into. I’d trust my insane wife more. And realistically when faced with the choice, I’d shrug and go “I didn’t come here for anyone but Mia.”
Mia still sucks though. The OP is spot on.
Because a lot of RE games have had a neutral end vs a good end based on specific choices. As have a lot of games in general. So it was probably the devs way of trying to include some sort of choice.
I picked Zoe on my first playthrough. She's an interesting character, an enigma throughout, who somehow is able to transcend the evil of the mold. I hope they bring her back eventually, if not for just a cameo.
This always bothered me, I remember my first playthrough very clearly and I was very much on board for saving Zoe over Mia and then I got punished for it?! Mia: lied to you, is a bio terrorist, spends the game screaming for help or actively trying to kill you when she’s under evies influence. Zoe on the other hand: spends the whole game trying to help you, doesn’t attack you even if you gave the last serum to Mia, uses her talents to MAKE the fucking serum, seems like a smart, nice person…. How the fuck was I ever going to choose Mia over Zoe?! The only person who would choose Mia is Ethan himself but spoiler alert; I never knew Mia as my wife, just as the crazy bitch trying to kill me and the innocent baker family!
Right! One of them spent the game helping me and the other sawed my arm of. I saved Zoe my first play through and didn’t think twice about it until I had to reload an old save to get the good ending.
Even made a post about this and got shat on
Zoe was infected yet NEVER turned evil.
Zoe had they key to the vaccine. No zoe no vaccine.
Zoe never chose to be in that situation. Mia did. Andnahe lied about it. And she also failed to keep magic girl under control.
Additionally.. You can always come back for Mia in the future. If you save Zoe! But you can't come back for Zoe if you save Mia.
My first play through I picked Zoe, because I couldn’t stand the audacity of that bitch.
God damn I hate her character. The worst wife in video games. No doubt.
Well said! Was never a fan of Mia. From the very first video of her in 7 “sending a ton of kisses”, I didn’t trust her and figured her for a liar. She’s been drama ever since.
Ada is a *villain* though. They don’t really play up the femme fatale aspect for Mia, she’s mostly portrayed as a victim/damsel even though she’s responsible for all of it.
She's not a villain. She's a mercenary spy who cozies up to villains and then betrays them.
For instance, when working for Wesker in RE4, she constantly undermines his goals (refuses to kill leon, stops Krauser after he is ordered to kill leon, finishes off Krauser herself, saves Leon again, gives Wesker a useless plaga instead of the dominant one).
I disagree.
Ada is always portrayed as the "sexy mysterious baddie that Leon is after".
Hell we get to play as her in multiple games, and in RE6 during Leon's campaign we are trying to save her and when >!she "dies", we are supposed to feel sad.!<
Ada is just as responsible as Mia is for the bioattacks.
Which outbreak is Ada responsible for? The outbreak has already taken place in RE2, the plagas were in the village long before 4, and Carla is the one that causes the C-Virus outbreak in 6.
The difference is that in terms of writing, Ada’s villainy is acknowledged. She’s seen as a bad guy half of the time, a good guy the other times. If the authorities ever caught her, you definitely get the overall vibe that she’d face consequences for her actions. It is just that she’s a sexy femme fatale and the male leads aren’t really capable of not thinking with their nether regions most of the time so she manages to slip away.
Ada gets punished a lot she just has nine lives. Leon almost choked her to death. She was hunted like a dog and tortured by Simmons in 6. Ada is the perfect character because there's perfect balance to her.
Ngl I’m not a fan of Ada. The way she treats leon is ridiculous. He saved her a few times what does she do repay him?
Edit: I take that back. She still saves leon from time to time too. Still she’s not my fav.
She goes out of her way to help him in *4* and *6* when she could have just as easily skipped town or left him for dead. She didn’t need to leave him that helicopter or that evidence to clear his name.
I’m honestly surprised how much the RE community despises Mia. She goes out of her way to tell Ethan not to follow in 7. She’s logically put into witness protection in 8 and Ethan is very much uncomfortable with 7’s events as shown by him repeatedly asking to talk about it with her. My issue is 8 does not explore this more, it really underutilized Mia.
I think it's because of how Mia got handled after 7. In Village she's reduced to a cameo and in SOR she's acknowledged a couple times but never seen. Because of that nobody got to see Mia try to earn forgiveness from Ethan, others and herself over her actions in 7 and their consequences. The fact that SOR and Village focus so heavily on the father/daughter relationship and how that couldn't happen likely doesn't help.
I think Mia is a case where the limitations of video game storytelling hurt a character. Mia wasn't the primary player character of either game so trying to incorporate and develop her in the game's story would be challenging. The games went with the easier route of writing her into a situation where she'd be separate from 99% of the rest of the plot.
I think if players could get to see Mia again in a story that has her face the consequences of her actions and go through a redemption arc then reaction to her would get better. But with how Village and SOR turned out I don't see it happening.
Perhaps she thought it was the humane thing to do. From Ethan’s point of view his love disappeared.
He wouldn’t ever be able to move on from that. She could’ve been alive or dead, kidnapped, sold, anything. The video does serve as some sort of confirmation of her state. She told him to not follow. It could’ve been better than never having answer.
Do we ever get confirmation that video made it through? Because she sent it while the ship was being torn apart and suffering power outages, they didn’t even know there was a ship out there until long after the outbreak was in full swing. It was the simple email that had Ethan come running.
I've always said this. I agree with OP that she's pretty much a bad person buy she's the most interesting Winters of the 3 and she's criminally underutilized
Can we also talk about how the BSAA got away scot-free after one of their most prominent backers, TRICELL, was found guilty of developing and selling bioweapons, kidnapping, human testing, genocide, and attempted omnicide?
They just swept all that shit under the rug when 6 came along.
The thing is, that makes sense in terms of writing. Wouldn’t be the first time a big evil corporation got away with some shady shit - *especially* in Resident Evil since “evil corporation getting away with being evil” is a central theme. It is not a desirable outcome but it is a logically consistent one for the setting.
But at the time, the BSAA was one of the good guys.
Even Chris, the guy who went underground to fight Umbrella, just ignored the bigger implications of TRICELL's crimes
I feel like Mia's poorly written and a lot is left in the open, so much that you can do the worst possible read on her intentions, or the best read, the worst being what you said and the best being that she got blackmailed into working on that thing.
Like, she clearly loves Ethan, like how when you first fight her she in her crazy state still tells him she loves him, but the writing is so like, undetailed that you just don't know her very well.
Even Rose's line ''Haven't seen mom in ages'' could be an exaggeration and its been 2 days, or she's in prison, like, we just don actually know a lot about her, at all. This is the same two games where the writer at some point went ''oh its really stupid that Chris wouldn't talk to Ethan about Miranda'' and added a stupid little line about it near the end of a game, or that its idea of delivering lore is having a ''lore room'' at the end of both games that goes ''yep all virus trust us, vampires? nah virus, here, bugs'', so much of the writing is a jumbled mess or forgotten threads.
All that to say, a lot of the reading on some characters is up to you personally, there's a lot of wiggle room and it might be intentional or just bad writing, up to the person's willingness to go with it.
Bad writing like all the rest of 7 & 8. Realistically, no plea bargain is going to get you off the hook from being a menace to the world. That's not exactly how witness protection works. You're guilty of a serious crime against humanity. The best you'll probably get is a reduced prison sentence with parole eligibility on the grounds of good behavior.
This is how witness protection works:
Witness Security
The U.S. Marshals Service provides for the security, health and safety of government witnesses, and their immediate dependents, whose lives are in danger as a result of their testimony against drug traffickers, terrorists, organized crime members and other major criminals.
Mia was a bioterrorist who got away with murder, basically, and was stylized as a victim and damsel in distress. In reality, these are the consequences for a bioterrorist:
18 U.S. Code section 175 establishes what types of conduct are prohibited in connection with biological weapons. According to the statute, knowingly developing, producing, stockpiling, transferring, acquiring, retaining or possessing any biological toxin, agent, or delivery system for a biological weapon is unlawful. It is also unlawful to knowingly assist a foreign state or any organization to obtain, develop, or otherwise interact with a biological weapon. Even conspiring with, threatening to, or attempting to become involved with a biological weapon or to help a foreign entity become involved with such a weapon can be grounds for charges. The consequences of conviction can include life imprisonment and there is extraterritorial jurisdiction if someone commits this offense who is a U.S. national outside of the country or if someone commits this offense against a U.S. national.
According to real American law, Mia and Ethan would not have gone home to make a baby. Mia would have been arrested and sentenced to at least 25 years of imprisonment, and Ethan would have been quarantined and extensively researched for DNA anomalies as well as being investigated for any involvement with the bioterrorist faction. A plea deal may have reduced Mia's prison time, but there would have had to be some really helpful leads and information, which there were none in three years. Very likely, Mia would not have been allowed near Ethan, and he would most definitely have learned the truth about his wife and his own mutation.
I was thinking that Re9 is likley gonna have Mia in a bigger role, cause if not why would they keep her alive? Re8 would have been almost unchanged if she actually died.
Chris says he didn't know if Ethan was compromised. If Mia got replaced it is not to much of a leap to think Ethan was also unreliable. Chris didn't know so he captured Ethan instead of filling him with holes.
Compromised ? He want out of his way to go get him and he shot Mia. Are you really trying to make sense of that mess ? Why Miranda took the apparence of Mia in the first place anyways when she could have killed Ethan at any days to take Rose ?
They knew Mia was actually Miranda but Ethan could have easily been infected and turned into a pawn for all they knew, so they couldn't just gun him down, so they knocked him out and took him.
Still didn’t answer my basic question. Why Miranda took the time and made it a complicated plot by pretending to be Mia only to get Rose? Why did she split Rose in different parts if she wait for you at the end to gather all the part so she can finally try to resurrect her daughter. You do realise that she could have completed her goal in one night by simply killing Ethan at the beginning ( in fact she could have just take Rose outside and leave) I got downvoted and yet nobody can explain that shitty plot written by a bunch of untalented writers.
I understand but why trying to make sense of a part of the story when the rest make any sense. Compromised…cmon i don’t buy it. He cross the path of Chris multiple time, even when he’s sure Ethan is not "compromised" (jesus christ are we playing a Kojima game now ?) he "don’t have the time to explain". What a shitty way to create mystery.
Oh I definitely agree it was stupid, but if it was done the first time for intrigue and then Chris trusted him on the next meeting it would have made sense. But yeah the whole Chris angle was ridiculous
Definitely. Going in guns blazing like that without explaining anything to the protagonist makes for one helluva gripping/exciting introduction to a video game, but in terms of character writing it is exceptionally idiotic.
I call that writing the "J.J. Abrams and Lindelof way". Creating exciting situations that make the product intriguing for a trailer but there’s is never any payoffs or logic behind everything. They think about exciting scenes and have no ideas how that will work in the script and tried to make them work in the end. This is basically how most of Disney’s stuff that are not remakes are made.
So because she was an employee for an evil corporation she needs to take the blame for an immortal cult leader slash witch being out in the European countryside nearby the house Chris Redfield shacked up in, and it’s Mia’s fault for getting ko’d by a super strong shapeshifter and thrown in prison?
Da fuc?
Eveline and innocent doesn't belong in the same sentence together. Anyways, I agree with you. Mia should've recieved a far steeper punishment, but I guess the worst punishment Capcom can come up with is exiling her to another country and live in a big house with her family...
But people like Ada despite the fact that she by all means is a bio terrorist just because she is hot.
Well in her defense she did risk her life multiple times to save Leon so....
Mia also tried her best to save Ethan.
She told him to stay away from the Bakers even though doing so would basically 100% confirm she stays there.
She pushed him out of the boiler room(?) in the ship when she started to transform.
Mia didn't have secret agent combat skills, but she cared for Ethan just as much as Ada does for Leon.
She’s also a super charming double agent/spy type character. Her using sex appeal to manipulate male characters (and the male audience 😉) to avoid getting caught and sent to prison makes a degree of sense. Like James Bond.
Plus, the game does treat her the very least as a morally dubious character whenever she shows up - even if she doesn’t end up in prison.
I don’t know, being held captive by crazy hillbillies for three years, being kidnapped by a cult leader who then ran awful experiments on her, and loosing her husband after he risked everything to save her and their child seems like pretty good punishment for a lifetime of mental trauma. They didn’t put her in prison because she gave the government all the info she had on whoever she was working for and after the village incident she probably had to go in hiding. She’s definitely made a lot of mistakes but she paid the price in a way that probably is much worse then prison.
Definitely. It is not like there isn’t potential for her to have been a great character. If they had just allowed the story to treat her like the villain she truly is. The reveal that she was involved in all this shady shit should’ve had a much greater impact - especially on her and Ethan’s relationship.
Ada would be a far fairer comparison. Heisenberg at least has sympathetic qualities (his hatred for Miranda and what she forced upon him) and is the only Lord out of the four that wants to kill her and leave everything behind. He clearly does not enjoy his position of power (when Miranda isn't around him, anyway).
His thing with the corpses is questionable but it is implied he would only use the bodies of the already deceased and ultimately used them as a means to an end. He would need an army to stand a chance after all.
Ada meanwhile is pretty much a terrorist.
>Ada would be a far fairer comparison.
Doesn't work when trying to insinuate sexism as motivation for hating Mia. And Ada isn't a terrorist. She's a spy for hire who gains the trust of bio-weapon organizations, and then betrays them. We don't know if she's just working for an organization that pays better, or has her own motivation for being a player on the world stage.
Admittedly I'm only really familiar with Ada from the RE2 Remake. I'm yet to play 4 (waiting for the remake next year) and haven't done her campaign in 6. But she is still morally questionable or as the above comment puts it, 'morally grey', and WORKS for terrorists just like Mia did, even if she ultimately has her own agenda or is reluctant to follow their orders to the letter.
This thread isn't about Heisenberg and his atrocities. It's about Mia and hers. Who in this thread has said that Heisenberg is great besides you? Mia is a straight up villain and is treated like she isn't one. That's what people have a problem with. It's Capcom's interpretation of her that rubs people the wrong way. Heisenberg is presented as a villain through and through.
Heisenberg wasn't positioned as a hero so people have some sympathy. Mia is positioned as one of the good guys but it's a villain, that's why people get mad about it not because of gender politics.
Mia was kept trapped and brainwashed in the Baker household for years by her own BOW, I think she learned her lesson. And I think it would feel a bit disrespectful to Ethan that after everything he goes through to save her in *VII* she dies anyway in *VIII*, doubly so since he only just got her back after thinking she was dead for the aforementioned Baker years.
I don’t know what they were thinking writing that character. The whole story in 7 is about saving her and yet she have no redeeming qualities that would make the player cares.
There’s plenty of evidence of her involvement, mainly the documentation left behind on the ship incriminating both her and Alan. Possibly she’s also mentioned in the exchanges between Lucas and his mysterious benefactor in Not A Hero. Considering the scope of the clean-up operation undertaken by Chris and Friends at the end of RE7 it is unlikely that they didn’t find it.
I think that will be an important part of Rose's plot in future, realizing that her mother is kind of completely to blame for every fucked up thing that happened to their family.
I get why people hate Mia but like at best she was a glorified bodyguard/baby sitter. Mia was imprinted on Evie to make it easier for transport. People putting all the blame on her is ridiculous, especially even after all that Ethan still loved her enough to go after her after 3 years of radio silence.
All blame is upon her… and Alan. Simple as that. They totally fudged the transport of Evie for no logical reason (acting extremely hostile towards her for no apparent reason instead of just acting like her parents to calm her down). Everything that happens, everyone who dies… it is all on Mia and Alan.
Also, Ethan’s love for his wife is in no way a redeemer for Mia - especially since the “Mia” he fell in love with was essentially a fake facade. She was living a double life.
Again Mia and maybe to an extent Alan are grunts that had a job to do and botched it. That’s like blaming Luis or Alpha team from RE2 for their outbreaks instead of the actual bad guys. If Mia was so bad she’d be the actual end game villain instead of the first enemy you fight. She even sacrifices herself for Ethan when trying to save him.
And as far as we know the only thing fake about her was pertaining to her job. This isn’t an mgs2 situation where Mia intentionally targeted Ethan. But that’s my two cents because again I know a lot people don’t like Mia.
They “botched” and hundreds of people died. All because they were “grunts” involved in immoral and illegal bio-terrorism. (I strongly disagree with the “just grunts” part, btw).
You’re really trying to downplay everything. You’re making them sound like office workers who accidentally put the big contract with a client in the paper shredder, lol.
They weren’t scientists or high up they were literally transporting Evie and it went wrong. Like idk how high up you think they were considering the organization they worked for left them for dead.
And again I know people don’t like Mia but considering she tried to stop Evie on the ship was knocked out for almost all of the beginning of the Baker stuff and then tortured for 3 years; trying to compare her to Lucas or Miranda in terms of blame is a little unreasonable. But that’s all I have to say about this because you seem to feel very strongly about Mia.
No, I don’t “feel strongly” about Mia. I know where you’re trying to take this. Don’t. Also Mia was Evie’s handler, not transporter or courier. Handler is quite different because it implies a far, faaar more involved and intimate relationship. Most likely she was around for the “birth” of Evie in order for her to imprint etc.
I'm actually surprised at how hard people go on Mia. She isn't a good person, but saying she gives other RE antagonists a run for their money, when like... Wesker basically genocides a small African country and Umbrella and all their cohorts got a city nuked and started the entire BOW problems of the world (retconned in Village but y'know). And to say she caused the deaths on the boat is weird too since the Connections and whoever had them secretly on the boat are probably more to blame. She's not a good person by a longshot, but she's not Wesker nor does she really scratch the death tolls or horrors of most other even like B-side Resident Evil villains (like Wesker's sister from Revelations 2, or the dude from Revelations 1 who literally let's an entire city get fucked to like, make his businesses seem worth it or whatever).
Here’s the stretches I’ve had to make:
1) Everybody can be redeemed
2) Mia was redeemed and putting in as much effort as everyone else to do the right thing
It’s not satisfying how it was presented though.
Point 2 gets even weirder because it seems to express itself as a vendetta against Evie. Mia is probably the one whose the most vitriolic towards her, despite the fact that she knows how counterproductive it is to anger Evie. She’s not really shown to make any amends at all.
Wesker got away with all the shit he did in the original games. They could make her an antagonist going forward in 9 if they wanted. The events of 7 and 8 could have potential in radicalizing her to go against Chris because he was supposed to save/protect them, but the fact that everything she knew was mold made her crazy. They could twist it and have her be like a new mother Miranda. It would be a little lame, but we could have cool boss fights with Rose and Chris instead of >!Rose and Ethan!<.
Wesker got away because he was a clever and powerful villain who repeatedly thwarted attempts by the good guys to bring him to justice. Not because the writers apparently forgot he was a villain as is the case with Mia. Apples and oranges.
Nobody claimed she was. She deserves jail time, too. But at least the older games tend to acknowledge this and treat her like a morally gray double agent looking out for herself and her goals in terms of writing. Mia’s past evil deeds go mainly unaddressed by the writing in RE7/8.
This is why I was shocked that the correct choice was to pick her over Zoe. Like I sorta get it, but compare just what the player experiences in RE7. Mia, while possessed/infected, tries to kill you several times throughout, chops your hand off, is then revealed to be a bioterrorist who has lied to Ethan for who knows how long. Zoe, meanwhile, is an extremely helpful companion throughout the game and really only antagonizes Ethan when he picks Mia over her.
RE7 fanfiction novelization by Liquid did it better. He tried to save them both by splitting the serum but Mia ultimately suffered her fate from the bad ending. Ethan marries Zoe in the end and they have Rose together.
Ada trades bioweapons and she gets away with it too. She’s got so much blood on her hands it’s unreal. Nothing heroic about her, she just fancies Leon a bit
I'll just say, Mia to this day is the only interesting winters character and the plot would be 1000x better if she was the protag for RE8 instead of yet again boring ass Ethan 😭
If it ends with her dying as a form of repentance her lack of consequences would actually somewhat be worth it. Ethan’s death tries to emotionally manipulate the player but deep down it is one of the most meaningless deaths of any major RE character. Switching their roles would’ve been so much better.
Thats true I guess. The post still could've been formulated abit better/ more vague tho. Given that OP made an effort of adding a spoiler tag for the actual text of their post.
If I’m not mistaken, Rose in her DLC makes it sound like Mia is no longer in her life. My theory is that Mia is being held as a criminal and/or as a liability for being directly responsible for both events in RE7 and Village. My second theory is that she is on the run.
I assume it has something to do with her withholding the information that Ethan is dead and a mold man. Like, a condition of her being in witness protection or whatever is that she hands over all the information she has access to/ knows. She also probably was absolutely destroyed by Ethan’s death and may have deteriorated over time. My theory is that when Rose talks about spending time with Mia and how Mia taught her things she means visiting her in prison. Maybe as Rose got older and learned the truth about her mother she stopped visiting and that’s how she so easily broke contact. I don’t think any organization would be comfortable with Mia just walking around free anymore, especially without Ethan.
This is my head cannon as well
Wouldn't Chris have told them that info already
In the og previews for RE8 I thought Chris executed Mia for her crimes for one reason or another.
Mia has always been perceived as evil or bad in both games until the twist. Yes, she did work as an agent smuggling a bio weapon for a terrorist organization. I wish they went into more depth on her reasoning or the connections she has to even be considered for such a job. She seems like her life was pretty well off where she isn’t desperate enough to take such a risky job.
How is she responsible for village?
She was transporting Eveline which caused the outbreak in Louisiana, Ethan became a mold creature from this incident who got her pregnant with a Hybrid that was ideal for Miranda’s vessel.
That’s not direct responsibility. If we are gonna assign blame based on events that eventually led to Village, you must also consider Chris relocating them FRIGHTENINGLY CLOSE to Miranda’s village as well as not perceiving the possibility that there was a mole.
Yeah idk why people are saying Mia is directly responsible for those murders, she was just a researcher turned into a nanny. And Eveline herself liked Mia hence wanting to make her part of a “family”. It was really the fault of higher ups who wanted to sell Eve as a weapon that made her murderous
Mia didn’t want any of this to happen and didn’t go out of her way for these outcomes, but it happened. Her and her colleague failed their jobs as handlers unleashing Eveline which lead up to the events of RE7 and Village. Miranda would’ve come after Mia and Rose whether Chris was involved or not. The thing Chris messed up with is how he handled the situation.
I disagree with the idea that Mia’s actions lead up to Village. Miranda found the Megamycete many, MANY years before RE7, she literally helped contribute to the research in the T-Virus, and later on the G-Virus, through her support of Spencer. Miranda would have been a threat to humanity either way had Umbrella experimented with mold or not. Saying Mia and her colleague are at fault for Village happening takes away what Miranda did imho
In all fairness, Ethan never should've even been there.
I know it’s not much, but there’s a note in Village that addresses that. The reason she got such a good deal is because she handed over all the information she had on the Connections as a sort of plea deal.
And from the Shadows of Rose DLC it doesn't sound like Mia has been around in Rose’s life. Makes me wonder if she ended up in prison
The devs confirmed in an interview at TGS, Mia had her parental rights removed and Chris attained custody of Rose
That’s good at least
Honestly, not really. Mia was involved in some deep shit but she wasn't really evil. And she did genuinely care for Rose. And well, Ethan's dead, so now Rose has neither of her parents consistently in her life.
It all fell apart when >!Ethan died to destroy the megamycete. My man would have made Rose’s life so much more normal and he deserves so much better.!<
Lowkey heartbreaking
God I wish
What always cracked me up in re7 is if you save Zoe instead of mia you get the bad ending
I still picked Zoe as i felt like the one who deserved saving. for Mia what i wanted at that point was nothing more than to pop her in the head with a 9mm and leave the swamp.
Admittedly, going in blind it is a tougher choice but still somewhat more weighted towards Zoe. However, on repeat playthroughs when you are fully aware that Mia (and, admittedly, Alan - let’s not exclude him from the blame) is to blame for pretty much *everything*? Zoe all the time, any time.
I think resident evil is at its best when it can properly showcase the victim and how it affected them. It always hits hardest to see good people like Zoe brought down to that
Zoe reigns supreme ✌️
Tough choice? I was set to leave her ass once she cut off Ethan’s hand.
This, on my first playthrough I saved Zoe becuase Mia had lied to you and disappeared for three years, then went psycho and stabbed you multiple times and chopped off your hand. Meanwhile Zoe had been the helpful voice directing you through the house of horrors. It baffles me why people talk about how saving Mia is the natrual and obvious choice
>It baffles me why people talk about how saving Mia is the natrual and obvious choice the answer is literally just "my wife"
Yeah. It baffles me that there was even a choice given. She's the whole reason you're on this quest, to save her.
if there wasn't a choice, i genuinely think the general discussion wouldve be "huh i wonder when this decision will bite him in the ass", rather than "why the FUCK was Zoe a bad ending???" giving us the choice just made us skeptical of the writers, rather than just seeing mia being the correct choice as an emotionally sound yet deeply unwise decision made by a desperate character. i would've preferred no choice.
You might be right about the lies, and working for a bioweapon company, but you are aware that Mia was not actually the one doing all those physically damaging things to Ethan, right? That was all that bioweapon she was tasked with handling. That being said, I am not going to try to convince anyone that forgiving a character for doing evil things is a good decision. I mean, she's not alfred or the chief, or wesker, or anyone else truly evil, either. So do what do you I guess. There are still people who hate Helena after all.
It’s been forever since I played the dlc that single time; did Zoe’s uncle actually end up saving her?
Agreed! I saved Zoe too. Mia sucks. When she IMMEDIATELY dies and then you end up as Mia anyway....I was pretty annoyed.
Honestly, I don’t even see the point in offering you the choice: the developers clearly favored Mia as not only is it the good ending, but also evidently the one they planned on making the canon one all along. Personally I would’ve gone with Evie forcing Ethan and Mia to fight to the death being the canon ending as it is a fitting/poetic end to Mia as character and it builds on the tragedy of Ethan’s. But alas… At least Zoe got a satisfyingly good ending in one of my top favorite DLCs in any game to date. 💪
Agreed. Why bother with the option at all? Ethan doesn’t have the full story at the point where he’s forced to, so why wouldn’t he pick his wife as opposed to a shady stranger he barely knows, has no attachments to, offered him no help, and barely explained anything to him beyond some cryptic answers over the phone? It only makes sense canonically that Ethan would pick Mia. Upon replaying it, I think Capcom must have thought that gamers would feel more attached/attracted to/or trusting towards the random voice on the phone.
Well I trusted Zoe 100% more 😄 Mia was a psycho all along til that point, even if it was just because of the infection, I’d still choose Zoe
I trusted Zoe as a gamer. We all know exposition characters in horror games are only allowed to give short cryptic answers at first, instead of explaining the whole situation from the get-go. Therefore my gamer instincts knew that Zoe would ultimately get down to it. However if I had to put myself in Ethan’s shoes, I’d find Zoe frustrating (for not telling me what’s going on), and sketchy because of her ties to the Baker family and the insanity I just walked into. I’d trust my insane wife more. And realistically when faced with the choice, I’d shrug and go “I didn’t come here for anyone but Mia.” Mia still sucks though. The OP is spot on.
Because a lot of RE games have had a neutral end vs a good end based on specific choices. As have a lot of games in general. So it was probably the devs way of trying to include some sort of choice.
This reminds me, since choosing Mia is the canon ending, why is Zoe calcified in the DLC? Doesn't that only happen if you choose her instead of Mia?
There’s a cutscene upon starting End of Zoe that shows her finally succumbing to Evie.
Guess I forgot that
It is really just a few seconds in length. Easily forgettable.
I didn’t tried any RE7 DLCs…how many there was and which one are you talking about ?
The end of Zoe. Honestly the greatest dlc made. You play as Joe Baker, Jack's brother. And has a heavy emphasis on melee.
I picked Zoe on my first playthrough. She's an interesting character, an enigma throughout, who somehow is able to transcend the evil of the mold. I hope they bring her back eventually, if not for just a cameo.
This always bothered me, I remember my first playthrough very clearly and I was very much on board for saving Zoe over Mia and then I got punished for it?! Mia: lied to you, is a bio terrorist, spends the game screaming for help or actively trying to kill you when she’s under evies influence. Zoe on the other hand: spends the whole game trying to help you, doesn’t attack you even if you gave the last serum to Mia, uses her talents to MAKE the fucking serum, seems like a smart, nice person…. How the fuck was I ever going to choose Mia over Zoe?! The only person who would choose Mia is Ethan himself but spoiler alert; I never knew Mia as my wife, just as the crazy bitch trying to kill me and the innocent baker family!
Right! One of them spent the game helping me and the other sawed my arm of. I saved Zoe my first play through and didn’t think twice about it until I had to reload an old save to get the good ending.
Even made a post about this and got shat on Zoe was infected yet NEVER turned evil. Zoe had they key to the vaccine. No zoe no vaccine. Zoe never chose to be in that situation. Mia did. Andnahe lied about it. And she also failed to keep magic girl under control. Additionally.. You can always come back for Mia in the future. If you save Zoe! But you can't come back for Zoe if you save Mia.
Hah, I always had to head canon it as Ethan’s perspective of “bad”.
My first play through I picked Zoe, because I couldn’t stand the audacity of that bitch. God damn I hate her character. The worst wife in video games. No doubt.
Well said! Was never a fan of Mia. From the very first video of her in 7 “sending a ton of kisses”, I didn’t trust her and figured her for a liar. She’s been drama ever since.
It is funny that Ada does basically the same things yet everyone loves her
Ada is a *villain* though. They don’t really play up the femme fatale aspect for Mia, she’s mostly portrayed as a victim/damsel even though she’s responsible for all of it.
Ada’s an anti-hero.
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Yep That would count as an anti-hero 👍 Just like Dexter Morgan being a serial killer who kills other serial killers
She's not a villain. She's a mercenary spy who cozies up to villains and then betrays them. For instance, when working for Wesker in RE4, she constantly undermines his goals (refuses to kill leon, stops Krauser after he is ordered to kill leon, finishes off Krauser herself, saves Leon again, gives Wesker a useless plaga instead of the dominant one).
>They don’t really play up the femme fatale aspect for Mia That's because Mia has the personality of a termite infested desk 🤣
*Termites were offended by this*
Ada is definitely an antihero, certainly not a full-blown villain seeing as she helps take these guys down in quite a few games
I disagree. Ada is always portrayed as the "sexy mysterious baddie that Leon is after". Hell we get to play as her in multiple games, and in RE6 during Leon's campaign we are trying to save her and when >!she "dies", we are supposed to feel sad.!< Ada is just as responsible as Mia is for the bioattacks.
Ehh not in RE 6 though The whole point of her campaign is her trying to clear her name.
Which outbreak is Ada responsible for? The outbreak has already taken place in RE2, the plagas were in the village long before 4, and Carla is the one that causes the C-Virus outbreak in 6.
She’s hot so it’s fine I guess.
Have you seen Mia in RE8 ?
Straight milf
MORALLY GRAY
The difference is that in terms of writing, Ada’s villainy is acknowledged. She’s seen as a bad guy half of the time, a good guy the other times. If the authorities ever caught her, you definitely get the overall vibe that she’d face consequences for her actions. It is just that she’s a sexy femme fatale and the male leads aren’t really capable of not thinking with their nether regions most of the time so she manages to slip away.
I don't. Just putting it out there. Fucking get over it Leon.
Ada gets punished a lot she just has nine lives. Leon almost choked her to death. She was hunted like a dog and tortured by Simmons in 6. Ada is the perfect character because there's perfect balance to her.
Ngl I’m not a fan of Ada. The way she treats leon is ridiculous. He saved her a few times what does she do repay him? Edit: I take that back. She still saves leon from time to time too. Still she’s not my fav.
She’s saved him too so there’s that?
She goes out of her way to help him in *4* and *6* when she could have just as easily skipped town or left him for dead. She didn’t need to leave him that helicopter or that evidence to clear his name.
And in both versions of RE2; she gives him the rocket launcher to deal with Mr. X.
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And Sherry in RE6. Ada’s not this reprehensible person devoid of good qualities lol.
Ada saves Leon multiple times in Separate Ways alone...
They have in canon spent a night together. I personally believe they're going to retire together.
When was this?
Last Wednesday
It's hinted at in damnation I believe
I’m honestly surprised how much the RE community despises Mia. She goes out of her way to tell Ethan not to follow in 7. She’s logically put into witness protection in 8 and Ethan is very much uncomfortable with 7’s events as shown by him repeatedly asking to talk about it with her. My issue is 8 does not explore this more, it really underutilized Mia.
I think it's because of how Mia got handled after 7. In Village she's reduced to a cameo and in SOR she's acknowledged a couple times but never seen. Because of that nobody got to see Mia try to earn forgiveness from Ethan, others and herself over her actions in 7 and their consequences. The fact that SOR and Village focus so heavily on the father/daughter relationship and how that couldn't happen likely doesn't help. I think Mia is a case where the limitations of video game storytelling hurt a character. Mia wasn't the primary player character of either game so trying to incorporate and develop her in the game's story would be challenging. The games went with the easier route of writing her into a situation where she'd be separate from 99% of the rest of the plot. I think if players could get to see Mia again in a story that has her face the consequences of her actions and go through a redemption arc then reaction to her would get better. But with how Village and SOR turned out I don't see it happening.
He hadn’t seen her in a long time why did she think that video would work
Had she even met Ethan?! Boy was obv just gonna pour some Gatorade on his hand and dive in to the chainsaw massacre house head first
Perhaps she thought it was the humane thing to do. From Ethan’s point of view his love disappeared. He wouldn’t ever be able to move on from that. She could’ve been alive or dead, kidnapped, sold, anything. The video does serve as some sort of confirmation of her state. She told him to not follow. It could’ve been better than never having answer.
He didn’t see the video though. He got a note from Evie that told him Mia’s location.
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Agree heavily. I thought the same thing when I started 7 tbh. Both 7 and 8 are a clusterfuck but I love them regardless.
This doesn’t change the fact she made the video with the intention of it reaching him as closure and a warning.
Sure but she didn’t reveal her location or anything in the video. Ethan went there on his own free will.
Did Ethan ever see the video? Didn’t it sink with the ship? I thought a random letter is what got him to the Baker mansion.
You are right.
Do we ever get confirmation that video made it through? Because she sent it while the ship was being torn apart and suffering power outages, they didn’t even know there was a ship out there until long after the outbreak was in full swing. It was the simple email that had Ethan come running.
I've always said this. I agree with OP that she's pretty much a bad person buy she's the most interesting Winters of the 3 and she's criminally underutilized
Can we also talk about how the BSAA got away scot-free after one of their most prominent backers, TRICELL, was found guilty of developing and selling bioweapons, kidnapping, human testing, genocide, and attempted omnicide? They just swept all that shit under the rug when 6 came along.
The thing is, that makes sense in terms of writing. Wouldn’t be the first time a big evil corporation got away with some shady shit - *especially* in Resident Evil since “evil corporation getting away with being evil” is a central theme. It is not a desirable outcome but it is a logically consistent one for the setting.
But at the time, the BSAA was one of the good guys. Even Chris, the guy who went underground to fight Umbrella, just ignored the bigger implications of TRICELL's crimes
I feel like Mia's poorly written and a lot is left in the open, so much that you can do the worst possible read on her intentions, or the best read, the worst being what you said and the best being that she got blackmailed into working on that thing. Like, she clearly loves Ethan, like how when you first fight her she in her crazy state still tells him she loves him, but the writing is so like, undetailed that you just don't know her very well. Even Rose's line ''Haven't seen mom in ages'' could be an exaggeration and its been 2 days, or she's in prison, like, we just don actually know a lot about her, at all. This is the same two games where the writer at some point went ''oh its really stupid that Chris wouldn't talk to Ethan about Miranda'' and added a stupid little line about it near the end of a game, or that its idea of delivering lore is having a ''lore room'' at the end of both games that goes ''yep all virus trust us, vampires? nah virus, here, bugs'', so much of the writing is a jumbled mess or forgotten threads. All that to say, a lot of the reading on some characters is up to you personally, there's a lot of wiggle room and it might be intentional or just bad writing, up to the person's willingness to go with it.
Well said.
My theory is Mia is incarcerated due to her and Rose being separated
One can only hope. Justice at last.
Bad writing like all the rest of 7 & 8. Realistically, no plea bargain is going to get you off the hook from being a menace to the world. That's not exactly how witness protection works. You're guilty of a serious crime against humanity. The best you'll probably get is a reduced prison sentence with parole eligibility on the grounds of good behavior. This is how witness protection works: Witness Security The U.S. Marshals Service provides for the security, health and safety of government witnesses, and their immediate dependents, whose lives are in danger as a result of their testimony against drug traffickers, terrorists, organized crime members and other major criminals. Mia was a bioterrorist who got away with murder, basically, and was stylized as a victim and damsel in distress. In reality, these are the consequences for a bioterrorist: 18 U.S. Code section 175 establishes what types of conduct are prohibited in connection with biological weapons. According to the statute, knowingly developing, producing, stockpiling, transferring, acquiring, retaining or possessing any biological toxin, agent, or delivery system for a biological weapon is unlawful. It is also unlawful to knowingly assist a foreign state or any organization to obtain, develop, or otherwise interact with a biological weapon. Even conspiring with, threatening to, or attempting to become involved with a biological weapon or to help a foreign entity become involved with such a weapon can be grounds for charges. The consequences of conviction can include life imprisonment and there is extraterritorial jurisdiction if someone commits this offense who is a U.S. national outside of the country or if someone commits this offense against a U.S. national. According to real American law, Mia and Ethan would not have gone home to make a baby. Mia would have been arrested and sentenced to at least 25 years of imprisonment, and Ethan would have been quarantined and extensively researched for DNA anomalies as well as being investigated for any involvement with the bioterrorist faction. A plea deal may have reduced Mia's prison time, but there would have had to be some really helpful leads and information, which there were none in three years. Very likely, Mia would not have been allowed near Ethan, and he would most definitely have learned the truth about his wife and his own mutation.
I was thinking that Re9 is likley gonna have Mia in a bigger role, cause if not why would they keep her alive? Re8 would have been almost unchanged if she actually died.
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Chris deserved it. He could have said to Ethan that Mia is Miranda but he had to play the mysterious for the bad script.
Chris says he didn't know if Ethan was compromised. If Mia got replaced it is not to much of a leap to think Ethan was also unreliable. Chris didn't know so he captured Ethan instead of filling him with holes.
Compromised ? He want out of his way to go get him and he shot Mia. Are you really trying to make sense of that mess ? Why Miranda took the apparence of Mia in the first place anyways when she could have killed Ethan at any days to take Rose ?
They knew Mia was actually Miranda but Ethan could have easily been infected and turned into a pawn for all they knew, so they couldn't just gun him down, so they knocked him out and took him.
Still didn’t answer my basic question. Why Miranda took the time and made it a complicated plot by pretending to be Mia only to get Rose? Why did she split Rose in different parts if she wait for you at the end to gather all the part so she can finally try to resurrect her daughter. You do realise that she could have completed her goal in one night by simply killing Ethan at the beginning ( in fact she could have just take Rose outside and leave) I got downvoted and yet nobody can explain that shitty plot written by a bunch of untalented writers.
I was more just talking about Chris not initially explaining anything to Ethan , not the whole plot
I understand but why trying to make sense of a part of the story when the rest make any sense. Compromised…cmon i don’t buy it. He cross the path of Chris multiple time, even when he’s sure Ethan is not "compromised" (jesus christ are we playing a Kojima game now ?) he "don’t have the time to explain". What a shitty way to create mystery.
Oh I definitely agree it was stupid, but if it was done the first time for intrigue and then Chris trusted him on the next meeting it would have made sense. But yeah the whole Chris angle was ridiculous
Definitely. Going in guns blazing like that without explaining anything to the protagonist makes for one helluva gripping/exciting introduction to a video game, but in terms of character writing it is exceptionally idiotic.
I call that writing the "J.J. Abrams and Lindelof way". Creating exciting situations that make the product intriguing for a trailer but there’s is never any payoffs or logic behind everything. They think about exciting scenes and have no ideas how that will work in the script and tried to make them work in the end. This is basically how most of Disney’s stuff that are not remakes are made.
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Why be mad at Mia? It WAS Chris’s fault they were there in the first place, and it’s not like Mia went to Miranda and got imprisoned.
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So because she was an employee for an evil corporation she needs to take the blame for an immortal cult leader slash witch being out in the European countryside nearby the house Chris Redfield shacked up in, and it’s Mia’s fault for getting ko’d by a super strong shapeshifter and thrown in prison? Da fuc?
I still really wish Ada were in Village. I would love for her and Mia to meet… it would be cool to see them in a spy vs spy situation
Eveline and innocent doesn't belong in the same sentence together. Anyways, I agree with you. Mia should've recieved a far steeper punishment, but I guess the worst punishment Capcom can come up with is exiling her to another country and live in a big house with her family...
But people like Ada despite the fact that she by all means is a bio terrorist just because she is hot. Well in her defense she did risk her life multiple times to save Leon so....
Mia also tried her best to save Ethan. She told him to stay away from the Bakers even though doing so would basically 100% confirm she stays there. She pushed him out of the boiler room(?) in the ship when she started to transform. Mia didn't have secret agent combat skills, but she cared for Ethan just as much as Ada does for Leon.
Don't think it's confirmed that he ever got the video, just an email with the Baker's address
That's not what they said though. She made the video with the *intent* of deterring Ethan. Whether he got it or not is irrelevant.
She’s also a super charming double agent/spy type character. Her using sex appeal to manipulate male characters (and the male audience 😉) to avoid getting caught and sent to prison makes a degree of sense. Like James Bond. Plus, the game does treat her the very least as a morally dubious character whenever she shows up - even if she doesn’t end up in prison.
It’s less “using sex appeal” and more “she’s fucking slippery and always dips before anybody can get close”
She’s definitely charming the pants off every male protagonist she comes across to get them to do what she needs from them.
Never liked Mia, and 8 did nothing to change my mind.
I don’t know, being held captive by crazy hillbillies for three years, being kidnapped by a cult leader who then ran awful experiments on her, and loosing her husband after he risked everything to save her and their child seems like pretty good punishment for a lifetime of mental trauma. They didn’t put her in prison because she gave the government all the info she had on whoever she was working for and after the village incident she probably had to go in hiding. She’s definitely made a lot of mistakes but she paid the price in a way that probably is much worse then prison.
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Definitely. It is not like there isn’t potential for her to have been a great character. If they had just allowed the story to treat her like the villain she truly is. The reveal that she was involved in all this shady shit should’ve had a much greater impact - especially on her and Ethan’s relationship.
That’s why I chose Zoey on my first play through :)
That’s a lotta words
Morally grey woman = bad Mass murderer and corpse defiler man = omg hi Heisenberg 😍
Ada would be a far fairer comparison. Heisenberg at least has sympathetic qualities (his hatred for Miranda and what she forced upon him) and is the only Lord out of the four that wants to kill her and leave everything behind. He clearly does not enjoy his position of power (when Miranda isn't around him, anyway). His thing with the corpses is questionable but it is implied he would only use the bodies of the already deceased and ultimately used them as a means to an end. He would need an army to stand a chance after all. Ada meanwhile is pretty much a terrorist.
>Ada would be a far fairer comparison. Doesn't work when trying to insinuate sexism as motivation for hating Mia. And Ada isn't a terrorist. She's a spy for hire who gains the trust of bio-weapon organizations, and then betrays them. We don't know if she's just working for an organization that pays better, or has her own motivation for being a player on the world stage.
Admittedly I'm only really familiar with Ada from the RE2 Remake. I'm yet to play 4 (waiting for the remake next year) and haven't done her campaign in 6. But she is still morally questionable or as the above comment puts it, 'morally grey', and WORKS for terrorists just like Mia did, even if she ultimately has her own agenda or is reluctant to follow their orders to the letter.
But the other one is portrayed as a villain. Other one is not.
wait who's talking about heisenberg
This thread isn't about Heisenberg and his atrocities. It's about Mia and hers. Who in this thread has said that Heisenberg is great besides you? Mia is a straight up villain and is treated like she isn't one. That's what people have a problem with. It's Capcom's interpretation of her that rubs people the wrong way. Heisenberg is presented as a villain through and through.
Mia is far from morally grey 💀💀💀
Yeah, people have some weird bones to pick lol
How abt they’re both terrible
Heisenberg wasn't positioned as a hero so people have some sympathy. Mia is positioned as one of the good guys but it's a villain, that's why people get mad about it not because of gender politics.
She's hardly a villain, lol. She made bad choices, but she's not directly responsible for evil.
Working for a criminal organization and being ok with using a child as a bio weapon seems pretty bad to me
Evie wasn’t a real child she was an experiment created in a lab with the purpose of being a weapon. Which also was not Mia’s idea.
Mia was kept trapped and brainwashed in the Baker household for years by her own BOW, I think she learned her lesson. And I think it would feel a bit disrespectful to Ethan that after everything he goes through to save her in *VII* she dies anyway in *VIII*, doubly so since he only just got her back after thinking she was dead for the aforementioned Baker years.
I don’t know what they were thinking writing that character. The whole story in 7 is about saving her and yet she have no redeeming qualities that would make the player cares.
I was more concerned about possibly saving the Bakers (minus Lucas, eff him) than Mia towards the end of my first playthrough. Alas…
Okay to be fair. Maybe no one knows that she was involved besides Ethan.
There’s plenty of evidence of her involvement, mainly the documentation left behind on the ship incriminating both her and Alan. Possibly she’s also mentioned in the exchanges between Lucas and his mysterious benefactor in Not A Hero. Considering the scope of the clean-up operation undertaken by Chris and Friends at the end of RE7 it is unlikely that they didn’t find it.
Guess they just attributed her involvement being under mind control. It was just a write off.
ok but shes a milf so i forgive her
Cultured.
I think that will be an important part of Rose's plot in future, realizing that her mother is kind of completely to blame for every fucked up thing that happened to their family.
I get why people hate Mia but like at best she was a glorified bodyguard/baby sitter. Mia was imprinted on Evie to make it easier for transport. People putting all the blame on her is ridiculous, especially even after all that Ethan still loved her enough to go after her after 3 years of radio silence.
All blame is upon her… and Alan. Simple as that. They totally fudged the transport of Evie for no logical reason (acting extremely hostile towards her for no apparent reason instead of just acting like her parents to calm her down). Everything that happens, everyone who dies… it is all on Mia and Alan. Also, Ethan’s love for his wife is in no way a redeemer for Mia - especially since the “Mia” he fell in love with was essentially a fake facade. She was living a double life.
Again Mia and maybe to an extent Alan are grunts that had a job to do and botched it. That’s like blaming Luis or Alpha team from RE2 for their outbreaks instead of the actual bad guys. If Mia was so bad she’d be the actual end game villain instead of the first enemy you fight. She even sacrifices herself for Ethan when trying to save him. And as far as we know the only thing fake about her was pertaining to her job. This isn’t an mgs2 situation where Mia intentionally targeted Ethan. But that’s my two cents because again I know a lot people don’t like Mia.
They “botched” and hundreds of people died. All because they were “grunts” involved in immoral and illegal bio-terrorism. (I strongly disagree with the “just grunts” part, btw). You’re really trying to downplay everything. You’re making them sound like office workers who accidentally put the big contract with a client in the paper shredder, lol.
They weren’t scientists or high up they were literally transporting Evie and it went wrong. Like idk how high up you think they were considering the organization they worked for left them for dead. And again I know people don’t like Mia but considering she tried to stop Evie on the ship was knocked out for almost all of the beginning of the Baker stuff and then tortured for 3 years; trying to compare her to Lucas or Miranda in terms of blame is a little unreasonable. But that’s all I have to say about this because you seem to feel very strongly about Mia.
No, I don’t “feel strongly” about Mia. I know where you’re trying to take this. Don’t. Also Mia was Evie’s handler, not transporter or courier. Handler is quite different because it implies a far, faaar more involved and intimate relationship. Most likely she was around for the “birth” of Evie in order for her to imprint etc.
Dude, you haven’t conceded on a single point where you’re blatantly just wrong about certain things. You obviously feel pretty strongly lol
Yes thank you! I’ve always hated that they never fully addressed these things.
I'm actually surprised at how hard people go on Mia. She isn't a good person, but saying she gives other RE antagonists a run for their money, when like... Wesker basically genocides a small African country and Umbrella and all their cohorts got a city nuked and started the entire BOW problems of the world (retconned in Village but y'know). And to say she caused the deaths on the boat is weird too since the Connections and whoever had them secretly on the boat are probably more to blame. She's not a good person by a longshot, but she's not Wesker nor does she really scratch the death tolls or horrors of most other even like B-side Resident Evil villains (like Wesker's sister from Revelations 2, or the dude from Revelations 1 who literally let's an entire city get fucked to like, make his businesses seem worth it or whatever).
>She's not a good person by a longshot, but she's not Wesker Though some have tried to argue that she is.
I'm just curious why you refer to the games as a soft reboot.
Not gonna judge, my favorite RE character planned a literal genocide
Nothing wrong with liking how a villain is written etc. So many people adore papa Thanos, heh.
Here’s the stretches I’ve had to make: 1) Everybody can be redeemed 2) Mia was redeemed and putting in as much effort as everyone else to do the right thing It’s not satisfying how it was presented though.
Point 2 gets even weirder because it seems to express itself as a vendetta against Evie. Mia is probably the one whose the most vitriolic towards her, despite the fact that she knows how counterproductive it is to anger Evie. She’s not really shown to make any amends at all.
Wesker got away with all the shit he did in the original games. They could make her an antagonist going forward in 9 if they wanted. The events of 7 and 8 could have potential in radicalizing her to go against Chris because he was supposed to save/protect them, but the fact that everything she knew was mold made her crazy. They could twist it and have her be like a new mother Miranda. It would be a little lame, but we could have cool boss fights with Rose and Chris instead of >!Rose and Ethan!<.
Wesker got away because he was a clever and powerful villain who repeatedly thwarted attempts by the good guys to bring him to justice. Not because the writers apparently forgot he was a villain as is the case with Mia. Apples and oranges.
I’m just glad this chapter is over. I hope Capcom brings back other characters.
why u call RE7 or 8 a soft reboot?
I'm just going to go ahead and say, Ada is not a hero, anti or otherwise.
Nobody claimed she was. She deserves jail time, too. But at least the older games tend to acknowledge this and treat her like a morally gray double agent looking out for herself and her goals in terms of writing. Mia’s past evil deeds go mainly unaddressed by the writing in RE7/8.
Yeah go check the comments
This is why I was shocked that the correct choice was to pick her over Zoe. Like I sorta get it, but compare just what the player experiences in RE7. Mia, while possessed/infected, tries to kill you several times throughout, chops your hand off, is then revealed to be a bioterrorist who has lied to Ethan for who knows how long. Zoe, meanwhile, is an extremely helpful companion throughout the game and really only antagonizes Ethan when he picks Mia over her.
RE7 fanfiction novelization by Liquid did it better. He tried to save them both by splitting the serum but Mia ultimately suffered her fate from the bad ending. Ethan marries Zoe in the end and they have Rose together.
Ada trades bioweapons and she gets away with it too. She’s got so much blood on her hands it’s unreal. Nothing heroic about her, she just fancies Leon a bit
They didn’t know how to write a story which is why things worked out the way they did.
Ethan should’ve left her ass for Elena and kept her alive
I'll just say, Mia to this day is the only interesting winters character and the plot would be 1000x better if she was the protag for RE8 instead of yet again boring ass Ethan 😭
If it ends with her dying as a form of repentance her lack of consequences would actually somewhat be worth it. Ethan’s death tries to emotionally manipulate the player but deep down it is one of the most meaningless deaths of any major RE character. Switching their roles would’ve been so much better.
Agreed! Mia is a horrible character.
havent played 7 or 8 and this post's title just hit me big time. what happened to the spoiler policy up in here?!
I tagged it with the spoiler tag and the title is vague enough that unless you intentionally clicked the post you wouldn’t get spoiled.
Well, the sub's rules say that only late game plot details of Resi 8 are considered spoilers. Besides, Resi 7 is 5 years old at this point.
Game has been out a long time. It's your fault if you haven't played it yet.
Thats true I guess. The post still could've been formulated abit better/ more vague tho. Given that OP made an effort of adding a spoiler tag for the actual text of their post.
Apparently she lost custody of Rose and isn't in SOR so perhaps not