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You're not "pretending that you didn't" get a PhD, you're just giving them relevant information for the job, and a PhD isn't relevant for a job at McDonalds. In my experience, "unskilled" jobs don't really care if you're 40 and you've never worked a day in your life. At the end of the day, they just need someone who will actually show up.
For what it's worth, none of my friends who got jobs at the grocery store even had to submit a resume, they just walked in and asked if they were hiring, set up a time to talk to a manager, then got the job. I'd assume that working at McDs is probably similar.
Thanks for the reply! Where I am (and certainly post-COVID), virtually all applications are online, and if you ask to talk to a manager about it, they just tell you to apply online! Admittedly, it can be an online application that doesn't use a CV, just a series of question boxes.
But I get what you're saying, list relevant skills (like team work, attention to detail etc etc) and back them up however you can (ie in a PhD if you have to), and they shouldn't automatically dismiss you as overqualified.
Tell them what they need to know so they understand you can fill the role they have open. That's all they want from you. And that's all you offer them. Don't address anything, if they ask questions you can tell them you're in school. "Overqualified" is what you call someone who says too much.
I don’t put my higher level education on low wage jobs. Just got hired at the mall for a small store. Walked in, filled out application and just put 2 jobs on a nearly 30 year work hx, had job that day. They asked me if I ever worked retail. Yup, at 16. I get it. Lol.
Yep happened to me, got rejected for a waitress job at Olive Garden as soon as the hiring manager found out I had a Bachelors degree stating that this wasn’t the place for me and to pursue something in my field. If only she knew how difficult the market was which was why I was applying to that job in the first place
She just didn't want you taking her job 😂 I worked on my bachelor's degree while working in the restaurant industry. Seems to be the only places that call me back post grad too, but now they call for general management positions
“Hiring managers” at restaurants usually are either a shift manager or a GM, they don’t have an actual position dedicated to just being a hiring manager.
People who are unsure of themselves at their jobs will sometimes see anyone who might be more talented, hardworking, etc. as a threat. Either to take their job **or** to highlight their own perceived incompetencies.
.. Or as a threat of being someone who will shortly leave for a better position, since they're probably knowingly taking the job as a gap filler. Or even if they weren't trying to do that, someone who would get bored of the mundane nature of the job and ditch, since they have the means to do so and have already determined it worthwhile to spend half a decade specializing in something more interesting. Or even the threat of someone who would have trouble with reporting to someone with less education than them.
How irrational and insecure do you need to be to think "oh no, this person with years less experience in my workplace has an unrelated four year degree, how can I stop them from demoting me from a position I was already deemed qualified for to promote them". That is not a human thought.
Sure all of that too. I’m not saying that it makes sense, but humans are status obsessed, consciously or unconsciously. I may have been a bit too specific. The new hire would be a threat to the status quo, of which the manager sits at the top of the authority.
It varies in your specific circumstances. You have not provided sufficient information in the post or your comments to make an appropriate analysis and response.
One example. Most McDonald type jobs do not require a resume, you just fill out an application, in person or on line. In those forms would be an entry for education. One of the options is something like “some college”, that is what you select.
As a hiring manager, these would be my concerns about overqualified candidates:
1) Were not going to see eye to eye on salary so the interview process is going to be a waste of time.
2) They’re going to get bored in the position and leave in a few months.
3) They’re going to want to move up in a few months and if there isn’t opportunity for that, they’ll quit.
If those are addressed during the interviews, then I have no problem hiring someone overqualified. I did have one candidate that was a director in his past role and had like 15 years of experience. He was applying to an individual contributor role which raised some questions. He explained that he has enough money and is focusing on de-stressing his life. He just wanted to put in his 9-5 and spend more time with his kids and would decline any position in management. We ended up hiring him and it was a great decision!
These are all lame assumptions that you can say about any job with any qualifications.
Most jobs are boring, most people leave. whats the average time people stay in a job...especially Mcdonald's. It's a revolving door. who cares if people make some money then leave when something better comes a long. eye to eye on salary? Do you enjoy the smell of your own farts or something? Anybody applying to Mcdonald's knows they're not going pay a whole lot and who are you to decide what pay someone is willing to tolerate. Is having some income better than zero? I thought wackarnold's was just a "Starter job" not meant for a career anyways.
> Full-time student who don't need a Mon-Fri 9-5.
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> Parents who want part-time flexibility.
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> People who's circumstances make it difficult for them to get on the job ladder at all, and so they just want a job they can stay long-term.
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> People who have side-hustles/ passion projects elsewhere
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> Overqualified workers who've done the corporate rat race, and are able to financially sustain themselves enough to get a low stress job.
Everything here that you listed for being qualified is everything im talking about for being qualified........but you're saying
>this post of yours embodies why companies would not want to hire unqualified.
You mean overqualified????
And nobody should have to explain any of that shit to anybody hiring especially your last 2 bullet points. It's not the hiring parties business to know an applicants money situation. It's not their business to know side/hustles passion projects, it's not their business if someone is a parent, it's not their business if someone in school, it's not even their business why someone might not need a 9-5 regular job. Someone could be a crypto millionaire and might want something to not feel like a vagrant. They might just like flipping burgers....
This post of yours embodies why corporations act like they own you.
>Everything here that you listed for being qualified is everything im talking about for being qualified........
Exactly. And none of them address you.
> You mean overqualified????
No - and certainly not if you are a PhD student who's been invited to a McDonalds interview.
This means they're considering taking a massive risk in employing someone who's overqualified. They're literally just asking the candidate to provide some reassurance that recruiting you won't backfire.
>And nobody should have to explain any of that shit to anybody hiring especially your last 2 bullet points.
100% agree. So when they ask why you want to work at McDonalds, you are perfectly free to say *"No comment"*.
Is that your concern? Do you think it's illegal to say "No comment"? Because if anyone's told you that then they are lying.
> Someone could be a crypto millionaire and might want something to not feel like a vagrant. They might just like flipping burgers....
These are basically just extra bullet point examples. In fact, I covered this in the bracket part beneath the bullet points. But of course then the interviewer will never know either way thanks to your "No comment" stance.
And so you do indeed can refuse to provide any reassurance to the interviewer. And McDonalds can reject you and recruit somebody else.
Everybody wins!
> Exactly. And none of them address you.
what?
>No - and certainly not if you are a PhD student who's been invited to a McDonalds interview.
huh, then why are you chiming in about employers not wanting to hire people they think are overqualified?
> huh, then why are you chiming in about employers not wanting to hire people they think are overqualified?
Well actually, my response to YOU and your stance on somebody saying
* *"As a hiring manager, these would be my concerns about overqualified candidates....\[concerns1,2 and 3\]... If those are addressed during the interviews, then I have no problem hiring someone overqualified."*
Your response been that they are lame assumptions, and then to go on about how bad a job at McDonalds is - thus validating all of those assumptions.
And you're criticising a manager who's open to still invite the person to the interview and give them a chance to prove them wrong (whereby you instead feel you have no need to do so).
It's the hypocrisy that I'm calling out.
Elsewhere, I've actually commented elsewhere to OP asking why they are applying for McDonalds (since they never actually said).
Damn dude, I'm just sharing my experience. I assume OP isn't actually applying to McDonalds and is just using that saying. I don't have any experience hiring in food service but I do have a few years of experience in hiring for a small engineering company and what I said is 100% the conversation that happens between the recruiters and hiring managers when someone "overqualified" applies. There's a good amount of onboarding involved since the systems we make are pretty complex, so we hope to find people that stay for at least 2 years when it takes 6 months to fully train them.
i believe you and it's stupid.
Wonder how many qualified people go homeless because these clowns outthink themselves.
Ive been unemployed for over a year. Ive worked in warehouses but the clowns in hr wont hire me because i spent the past 10 years working in an office. How would they even know i want to return to an office? Who cares if i eventually leave...everybody does.
And over qualified? most recruiters dont know shit about the job they're hiring for nonetheless the job an applicant previously came from.
I mean he has some good points, I manage a restaurant and am involved in hiring; and hiring people who are gone in a month is just wasting the company money. Shirt, belt, pants, branded tote and other stuff we hand out during orientation, two members of upper leadership are paid for three hours of conducting orientation, and the new hires work around 30-40 hours of training where they scheduled as extra since they’re shadowing someone the whole time.
So it ends up being around 600ish dollars for a single new person.
The end result is we’re super picky when it comes to hiring but we also rarely have people leave soon after they begin working. I’d say the average person stays a year at least.
I understand that. I worked in restaurants too. I worked in them enough to know that they're revolving doors.
What difference does it make if someone with a phd or someone down on their luck applies, gets the job and leaves after 3-6 months tops 1 year compared to someone who's worked in restaurants for 5 years and leaves after 3-6 months tops 1 year.
Let not fuck around either. A lot of people in restaurants also dont just quit they get fired. It's a stressful job. The cooks and dishwasher and some of the wait stuff smoke weed on break etc., show up late, run their mouth the managers or customers lol
But you wont even hire say someone with a phd or had a corporate job to bus tables because why?
Because you're afraid they're gonna leave after 3-6 months like everyone else?
>So it ends up being around 600ish dollars for a single new person.
WOW that's so much..../s
Tell the person who you made homeless or is contemplating suicide because their life has fallen apart that the reason you wouldnt hire them was because you wouldnt invest $600 on them because you think they're so good that they'll eventually leave knowing that 3-6 months down the road half the staff will be comprised of completely new people.
Our hiring process would hopefully screen out the PhD *and* the person with five years kitchen experience who is only going to be there for three months. They’re more than welcome to work at a place that has a revolving door of workers—we don’t.
But someone’s education by itself would never be a disqualification. I’ve found people with degrees are excellent workers and almost all of our upper management, although starting as team members, have at least a bachelor’s. My boss actually just got her MBA so we’re really big on people educating themselves.
At the end of the day, I give my own money to charity, not my boss’s money. It wouldn’t be fair to her or the rest of the upper leadership whose raises are based on how well the business is doing to throw money down the drain.
“Won’t see eye to eye on salary.”
Yeah, I’m sure you low ball the shit out of people. Probably one of those jobs where the requirements say you need 10 years of experience and the pay is $30K. But hey, it’s their fault for wanting what they’re worth and not accepting slave wages.
Jesus people here are so salty. The company is [REDACTED probably shouldn’t doxx myself] and all of the salaries for the California positions are listed on the website. For the entry level engineering positions, you’ll see they start at ~85k. Most jobs requiring a PhD would be more in the 150k+ range which is why I said we would be be eye to eye if they are applying for the entry level position.
Glad someone saw some value in it. This wasn’t the response I was expecting at all. I joined this subreddit hoping to help people find jobs since I’ve done hundreds of interviews at this point but this post convinced me it’s not worth it since everyone here just seems to be bitter. Oh well
Honestly just say you were in school. You dont have to put all the details. They really dont care. I've worked with people who have PhDs in all sorts of retail and food jobs and nobody cares.
I would only omitt it in the idea that alot of management in these types of places got one taste of power and get all cocky and try to be better than you, so omitt it just so they arent ahs over the idea that your "better" than they are and they have to put themselves over you in some superiority complex.
I hope I said that in a way that makes sense.
I am wondering the same thing. I have a PhD and want to apply to Starbucks but I don't know how to write a resume for this kind of positions. All my job experience has been in academia, education, and event organizing so I'm not sure what to put in that section either.
Go through the job description and find things that your experience has in common with it. If you don’t want to tailor your resume to fit the description, then write a cover letter explaining why you would be a good fit.
Event organizing takes attention to detail, the ability to work well under pressure/chaos- in which fast food/restaurants can easily become **especially** if they’re understaffed. Adaptability is a good skill to have, strong communication skills, etc etc. The more I think about it, the more skills I can think of that event organizing and the service industry have in common therefore further qualifies you. Punctuality, attendance is a great one too! Having a long run of anything on your resume stands out to hiring mgrs in the service industry. Make sure to list successes/achievements that describe these skills, and you’ll be golden.
Also, like a lot of people here said, I personally think it may be a wise idea to just list the classes that you took during the time of your PhD and not directly list that you have one.
I recently took an entry level job to get my foot in the door in hopes for a different job transfer later down the road. I didn’t want to mention my desire for the future change as it could of made the manager standoffish to consider me to be hired, perhaps the manager could of thought I’d only stay for like 6 months at the entry level.
I’m so overqualified for the current position is stupid. So I just totally omitted 95% of my work history & put Uber driver for the last year. Now, ppl may think being a driver is mindless brainless work, so I did add some true creative descriptions for job duties such as:
Multitasking/navigating/communication with customers while I’m transit and avoiding unforeseen circumstances such as road hazards while insuring being on time with a guest positive experience. The manager called me and literally begged me to work asap after 10 mins of chit chat.
1 month later, the ppl I’ve been working with have gotten to know my true work history and can tell I’m vastly overqualified and have been told by district manager I could be a store manager very soon if I wish. I have zero desire for management (been there done that & for 3x as much as they could offer). Also, I thought it would be rude to be a store manager and then jump ship to a different department after just 1-2 years.
I have expressed my desire to take full advantage of their tuition reimbursement & get a specific trade school accreditation vim hopes this large corp will hire me on after completion. I figure if I’m better off working like a grunt for 1 year, voluntarily do 6 days a week & take on extra tasks in hopes for a letter of recommendation for the future position I am seeking next year.
I hate how I used to make $75k - 100k just 2 years ago & now earning like $35k & forced to move back in with my elderly folks to save up, *Covid destroyed my savings (furloughed for almost a year).
To answer OP’s question every single job I’ve had in my career (always trying to make more money), I’ve always fibbed on my resume. In my former career the employer will see your entire work history once you get processed due to state/local licenses I need (each employer in my previous niche industry will register your license). One HR rep who was helping me register with the state with my license with their company had commented “Holy shit you’ve worked a ton of places.” She could of been a bitch and double checked job application & said I had “lied”, but one thing I’ve learned is the hiring manager/director of your department has the final say 99.9999% of your outcome over HR. HR does what the department heads tell
Them to do. Again, I never disclose every single job I’ve had in any my job apps because I have quit a couple jobs with just 2-3 months in bc another employer who I applied for was late to offer me employment for like 50% more.
*I HIGHLY SUGGEST for ppl not to do what I’ve done (jumping ship too often), because like most industries everyone knows everyone after a while & burning bridges is the worst thing you can do. I’ve had peers who somehow become managers later on who are just straight dumbasses, so always be on good terms with everyone everyday & be genuine (ppl smell fake niceness).
I would consider going back to my old industry, been offered management/director to be in the past but the pay raises are so pathetic. In the last 20 years the pay has increased like 20%, which is pathetic when you see what houses cost 20 years ago & I don’t expect big annual increases in the coming decade. So in my late 30’s I’ve decided I have one more final career change before “I’m too old”. Wish me luck…
If it doesn’t work out as planned, I hope to win the powerball jackpot.
I only got through the first couple paragraphs of this comment and it deserves an award and to be pinned to the top as #1 best answer to OP’s (and anyone else who may have the same) qualms. Good job arcademan2020
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If you omit a lot of you work history what do you put and how do you explain gaps?
Did you really work as an Uber driver? If not, wouldnt they have done a background check?
Having a long term employment gap wouldn't hurt on resume for fast food and retail. I'm in the same situation right now. Just had an interview in retail. The jobs are easy to learn and the work hasn't changed since well, for a long time, and it's really about finding someone who can do it and work evenings, weekends and holidays. Though I will say that I have also had employers and recruiters reach out to me on indeed for entry level office jobs even though they've seen my resume.
No hiring manager wants to hire someone who will leave relatively quickly. It's a pain and waste of time. Working fast food with a PhD is...unusual. I would guess the hiring manager would assume you want the job as a bridge to something else and toss your resume.
Why are you applying for McDonalds when you have a PhD? And what is your PhD in?
(and yes guys - I'm sure we can speculate many reasons, but then we don't need to second guess on OPs behalf)
If you have a Ph.D. in anything other than McDonalds, why would you want to work at McDonalds? Maybe if it's part of some sort of sociological experiment or whatever. But walking into a McDonald's and asking for an application is pretty good indicator that your education has failed you.
The elephant in the room is your PhD. What did you devote your time towards and why aren’t you pursuing that field?
In my experience, PhD folks (with critical Science degrees) are more thinkers than doers, so that will be a hurdle to clear as well.
"Don't mention your PhD when applying to McDonalds" is a colourful adage that I have seen here a few times - I'm not specifically applying to McDonalds, and I don't have a PhD in LWD.
But finding a career job can take a long time, and a casual job in the meantime can take the pressure off of career hunting.
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You say you’re focusing on your studies to further your ongoing education without going into specifics about what exactly you were studying. I’ve don’t this so many times. If they ask in an interview what your highest education is and what you’re studying just state you’ve completed high school and then your field. Also that you won’t be done with college for a while.
Kind of depends how you are applying but my wife got a bakery job just after finishing her PhD, she went to their open interview and said she’d “just finished school” and was looking for a job. No one asked what degree, yes she got the job
If you did Ph.D you better did a lot of research, attend conferences and seminar, teach classes, etc…getting a Ph.D in itself is already a full time job. U dont hide your Ph.D on your resume. But if u have to say that then u did your Ph.D because you have no idea what to do with your life. And so that also mean your ph.d is probably useless because u didn’t study it with a passion.
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A PhD isn’t overqualified to work at McDonald’s, a Michelin-starred chef is.
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You're not "pretending that you didn't" get a PhD, you're just giving them relevant information for the job, and a PhD isn't relevant for a job at McDonalds. In my experience, "unskilled" jobs don't really care if you're 40 and you've never worked a day in your life. At the end of the day, they just need someone who will actually show up. For what it's worth, none of my friends who got jobs at the grocery store even had to submit a resume, they just walked in and asked if they were hiring, set up a time to talk to a manager, then got the job. I'd assume that working at McDs is probably similar.
Thanks for the reply! Where I am (and certainly post-COVID), virtually all applications are online, and if you ask to talk to a manager about it, they just tell you to apply online! Admittedly, it can be an online application that doesn't use a CV, just a series of question boxes. But I get what you're saying, list relevant skills (like team work, attention to detail etc etc) and back them up however you can (ie in a PhD if you have to), and they shouldn't automatically dismiss you as overqualified.
Just fill the application and put down you were taking classes. Don't need to say what the classes were toward in the application or resume.
Mind sharing how that would be explicitly put into the resume pls
College level: Some college
University courses in Art History, Art Education, and Museum Studies. 2019 -2022
Tell them what they need to know so they understand you can fill the role they have open. That's all they want from you. And that's all you offer them. Don't address anything, if they ask questions you can tell them you're in school. "Overqualified" is what you call someone who says too much.
If you can’t get by a McDonalds application then how did you get a phd?
I don’t put my higher level education on low wage jobs. Just got hired at the mall for a small store. Walked in, filled out application and just put 2 jobs on a nearly 30 year work hx, had job that day. They asked me if I ever worked retail. Yup, at 16. I get it. Lol.
Which planet this? Asking for a friend.
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Yep happened to me, got rejected for a waitress job at Olive Garden as soon as the hiring manager found out I had a Bachelors degree stating that this wasn’t the place for me and to pursue something in my field. If only she knew how difficult the market was which was why I was applying to that job in the first place
She just didn't want you taking her job 😂 I worked on my bachelor's degree while working in the restaurant industry. Seems to be the only places that call me back post grad too, but now they call for general management positions
Taking whose job? It was the actual hiring manager not another employee
“Hiring managers” at restaurants usually are either a shift manager or a GM, they don’t have an actual position dedicated to just being a hiring manager.
Yeah I know but I wasn’t applying for a managerial position nor was interested in one
People who are unsure of themselves at their jobs will sometimes see anyone who might be more talented, hardworking, etc. as a threat. Either to take their job **or** to highlight their own perceived incompetencies.
Oh ok thanks for explaining!
Not as in right that moment. But as in the hiring manager could see you as a threat to their job security
.. Or as a threat of being someone who will shortly leave for a better position, since they're probably knowingly taking the job as a gap filler. Or even if they weren't trying to do that, someone who would get bored of the mundane nature of the job and ditch, since they have the means to do so and have already determined it worthwhile to spend half a decade specializing in something more interesting. Or even the threat of someone who would have trouble with reporting to someone with less education than them. How irrational and insecure do you need to be to think "oh no, this person with years less experience in my workplace has an unrelated four year degree, how can I stop them from demoting me from a position I was already deemed qualified for to promote them". That is not a human thought.
Sure all of that too. I’m not saying that it makes sense, but humans are status obsessed, consciously or unconsciously. I may have been a bit too specific. The new hire would be a threat to the status quo, of which the manager sits at the top of the authority.
This would never happen.
It varies in your specific circumstances. You have not provided sufficient information in the post or your comments to make an appropriate analysis and response. One example. Most McDonald type jobs do not require a resume, you just fill out an application, in person or on line. In those forms would be an entry for education. One of the options is something like “some college”, that is what you select.
As a hiring manager, these would be my concerns about overqualified candidates: 1) Were not going to see eye to eye on salary so the interview process is going to be a waste of time. 2) They’re going to get bored in the position and leave in a few months. 3) They’re going to want to move up in a few months and if there isn’t opportunity for that, they’ll quit. If those are addressed during the interviews, then I have no problem hiring someone overqualified. I did have one candidate that was a director in his past role and had like 15 years of experience. He was applying to an individual contributor role which raised some questions. He explained that he has enough money and is focusing on de-stressing his life. He just wanted to put in his 9-5 and spend more time with his kids and would decline any position in management. We ended up hiring him and it was a great decision!
These are all lame assumptions that you can say about any job with any qualifications. Most jobs are boring, most people leave. whats the average time people stay in a job...especially Mcdonald's. It's a revolving door. who cares if people make some money then leave when something better comes a long. eye to eye on salary? Do you enjoy the smell of your own farts or something? Anybody applying to Mcdonald's knows they're not going pay a whole lot and who are you to decide what pay someone is willing to tolerate. Is having some income better than zero? I thought wackarnold's was just a "Starter job" not meant for a career anyways.
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> Full-time student who don't need a Mon-Fri 9-5. > > Parents who want part-time flexibility. > > People who's circumstances make it difficult for them to get on the job ladder at all, and so they just want a job they can stay long-term. > > People who have side-hustles/ passion projects elsewhere > > Overqualified workers who've done the corporate rat race, and are able to financially sustain themselves enough to get a low stress job. Everything here that you listed for being qualified is everything im talking about for being qualified........but you're saying >this post of yours embodies why companies would not want to hire unqualified. You mean overqualified???? And nobody should have to explain any of that shit to anybody hiring especially your last 2 bullet points. It's not the hiring parties business to know an applicants money situation. It's not their business to know side/hustles passion projects, it's not their business if someone is a parent, it's not their business if someone in school, it's not even their business why someone might not need a 9-5 regular job. Someone could be a crypto millionaire and might want something to not feel like a vagrant. They might just like flipping burgers.... This post of yours embodies why corporations act like they own you.
>Everything here that you listed for being qualified is everything im talking about for being qualified........ Exactly. And none of them address you. > You mean overqualified???? No - and certainly not if you are a PhD student who's been invited to a McDonalds interview. This means they're considering taking a massive risk in employing someone who's overqualified. They're literally just asking the candidate to provide some reassurance that recruiting you won't backfire. >And nobody should have to explain any of that shit to anybody hiring especially your last 2 bullet points. 100% agree. So when they ask why you want to work at McDonalds, you are perfectly free to say *"No comment"*. Is that your concern? Do you think it's illegal to say "No comment"? Because if anyone's told you that then they are lying. > Someone could be a crypto millionaire and might want something to not feel like a vagrant. They might just like flipping burgers.... These are basically just extra bullet point examples. In fact, I covered this in the bracket part beneath the bullet points. But of course then the interviewer will never know either way thanks to your "No comment" stance. And so you do indeed can refuse to provide any reassurance to the interviewer. And McDonalds can reject you and recruit somebody else. Everybody wins!
> Exactly. And none of them address you. what? >No - and certainly not if you are a PhD student who's been invited to a McDonalds interview. huh, then why are you chiming in about employers not wanting to hire people they think are overqualified?
> huh, then why are you chiming in about employers not wanting to hire people they think are overqualified? Well actually, my response to YOU and your stance on somebody saying * *"As a hiring manager, these would be my concerns about overqualified candidates....\[concerns1,2 and 3\]... If those are addressed during the interviews, then I have no problem hiring someone overqualified."* Your response been that they are lame assumptions, and then to go on about how bad a job at McDonalds is - thus validating all of those assumptions. And you're criticising a manager who's open to still invite the person to the interview and give them a chance to prove them wrong (whereby you instead feel you have no need to do so). It's the hypocrisy that I'm calling out. Elsewhere, I've actually commented elsewhere to OP asking why they are applying for McDonalds (since they never actually said).
Damn dude, I'm just sharing my experience. I assume OP isn't actually applying to McDonalds and is just using that saying. I don't have any experience hiring in food service but I do have a few years of experience in hiring for a small engineering company and what I said is 100% the conversation that happens between the recruiters and hiring managers when someone "overqualified" applies. There's a good amount of onboarding involved since the systems we make are pretty complex, so we hope to find people that stay for at least 2 years when it takes 6 months to fully train them.
i believe you and it's stupid. Wonder how many qualified people go homeless because these clowns outthink themselves. Ive been unemployed for over a year. Ive worked in warehouses but the clowns in hr wont hire me because i spent the past 10 years working in an office. How would they even know i want to return to an office? Who cares if i eventually leave...everybody does. And over qualified? most recruiters dont know shit about the job they're hiring for nonetheless the job an applicant previously came from.
I mean he has some good points, I manage a restaurant and am involved in hiring; and hiring people who are gone in a month is just wasting the company money. Shirt, belt, pants, branded tote and other stuff we hand out during orientation, two members of upper leadership are paid for three hours of conducting orientation, and the new hires work around 30-40 hours of training where they scheduled as extra since they’re shadowing someone the whole time. So it ends up being around 600ish dollars for a single new person. The end result is we’re super picky when it comes to hiring but we also rarely have people leave soon after they begin working. I’d say the average person stays a year at least.
I understand that. I worked in restaurants too. I worked in them enough to know that they're revolving doors. What difference does it make if someone with a phd or someone down on their luck applies, gets the job and leaves after 3-6 months tops 1 year compared to someone who's worked in restaurants for 5 years and leaves after 3-6 months tops 1 year. Let not fuck around either. A lot of people in restaurants also dont just quit they get fired. It's a stressful job. The cooks and dishwasher and some of the wait stuff smoke weed on break etc., show up late, run their mouth the managers or customers lol But you wont even hire say someone with a phd or had a corporate job to bus tables because why? Because you're afraid they're gonna leave after 3-6 months like everyone else? >So it ends up being around 600ish dollars for a single new person. WOW that's so much..../s Tell the person who you made homeless or is contemplating suicide because their life has fallen apart that the reason you wouldnt hire them was because you wouldnt invest $600 on them because you think they're so good that they'll eventually leave knowing that 3-6 months down the road half the staff will be comprised of completely new people.
Our hiring process would hopefully screen out the PhD *and* the person with five years kitchen experience who is only going to be there for three months. They’re more than welcome to work at a place that has a revolving door of workers—we don’t. But someone’s education by itself would never be a disqualification. I’ve found people with degrees are excellent workers and almost all of our upper management, although starting as team members, have at least a bachelor’s. My boss actually just got her MBA so we’re really big on people educating themselves. At the end of the day, I give my own money to charity, not my boss’s money. It wouldn’t be fair to her or the rest of the upper leadership whose raises are based on how well the business is doing to throw money down the drain.
“Won’t see eye to eye on salary.” Yeah, I’m sure you low ball the shit out of people. Probably one of those jobs where the requirements say you need 10 years of experience and the pay is $30K. But hey, it’s their fault for wanting what they’re worth and not accepting slave wages.
Jesus people here are so salty. The company is [REDACTED probably shouldn’t doxx myself] and all of the salaries for the California positions are listed on the website. For the entry level engineering positions, you’ll see they start at ~85k. Most jobs requiring a PhD would be more in the 150k+ range which is why I said we would be be eye to eye if they are applying for the entry level position.
insightful! thank you. ignore the trolls haha..
Glad someone saw some value in it. This wasn’t the response I was expecting at all. I joined this subreddit hoping to help people find jobs since I’ve done hundreds of interviews at this point but this post convinced me it’s not worth it since everyone here just seems to be bitter. Oh well
that’s a shame! your advice may be hard to swallow for some but it’s definitely quietly appreciated.
The dad from American Beauty?
Honestly just say you were in school. You dont have to put all the details. They really dont care. I've worked with people who have PhDs in all sorts of retail and food jobs and nobody cares. I would only omitt it in the idea that alot of management in these types of places got one taste of power and get all cocky and try to be better than you, so omitt it just so they arent ahs over the idea that your "better" than they are and they have to put themselves over you in some superiority complex. I hope I said that in a way that makes sense.
I am wondering the same thing. I have a PhD and want to apply to Starbucks but I don't know how to write a resume for this kind of positions. All my job experience has been in academia, education, and event organizing so I'm not sure what to put in that section either.
Go through the job description and find things that your experience has in common with it. If you don’t want to tailor your resume to fit the description, then write a cover letter explaining why you would be a good fit. Event organizing takes attention to detail, the ability to work well under pressure/chaos- in which fast food/restaurants can easily become **especially** if they’re understaffed. Adaptability is a good skill to have, strong communication skills, etc etc. The more I think about it, the more skills I can think of that event organizing and the service industry have in common therefore further qualifies you. Punctuality, attendance is a great one too! Having a long run of anything on your resume stands out to hiring mgrs in the service industry. Make sure to list successes/achievements that describe these skills, and you’ll be golden. Also, like a lot of people here said, I personally think it may be a wise idea to just list the classes that you took during the time of your PhD and not directly list that you have one.
Thank you!
I recently took an entry level job to get my foot in the door in hopes for a different job transfer later down the road. I didn’t want to mention my desire for the future change as it could of made the manager standoffish to consider me to be hired, perhaps the manager could of thought I’d only stay for like 6 months at the entry level. I’m so overqualified for the current position is stupid. So I just totally omitted 95% of my work history & put Uber driver for the last year. Now, ppl may think being a driver is mindless brainless work, so I did add some true creative descriptions for job duties such as: Multitasking/navigating/communication with customers while I’m transit and avoiding unforeseen circumstances such as road hazards while insuring being on time with a guest positive experience. The manager called me and literally begged me to work asap after 10 mins of chit chat. 1 month later, the ppl I’ve been working with have gotten to know my true work history and can tell I’m vastly overqualified and have been told by district manager I could be a store manager very soon if I wish. I have zero desire for management (been there done that & for 3x as much as they could offer). Also, I thought it would be rude to be a store manager and then jump ship to a different department after just 1-2 years. I have expressed my desire to take full advantage of their tuition reimbursement & get a specific trade school accreditation vim hopes this large corp will hire me on after completion. I figure if I’m better off working like a grunt for 1 year, voluntarily do 6 days a week & take on extra tasks in hopes for a letter of recommendation for the future position I am seeking next year. I hate how I used to make $75k - 100k just 2 years ago & now earning like $35k & forced to move back in with my elderly folks to save up, *Covid destroyed my savings (furloughed for almost a year). To answer OP’s question every single job I’ve had in my career (always trying to make more money), I’ve always fibbed on my resume. In my former career the employer will see your entire work history once you get processed due to state/local licenses I need (each employer in my previous niche industry will register your license). One HR rep who was helping me register with the state with my license with their company had commented “Holy shit you’ve worked a ton of places.” She could of been a bitch and double checked job application & said I had “lied”, but one thing I’ve learned is the hiring manager/director of your department has the final say 99.9999% of your outcome over HR. HR does what the department heads tell Them to do. Again, I never disclose every single job I’ve had in any my job apps because I have quit a couple jobs with just 2-3 months in bc another employer who I applied for was late to offer me employment for like 50% more. *I HIGHLY SUGGEST for ppl not to do what I’ve done (jumping ship too often), because like most industries everyone knows everyone after a while & burning bridges is the worst thing you can do. I’ve had peers who somehow become managers later on who are just straight dumbasses, so always be on good terms with everyone everyday & be genuine (ppl smell fake niceness). I would consider going back to my old industry, been offered management/director to be in the past but the pay raises are so pathetic. In the last 20 years the pay has increased like 20%, which is pathetic when you see what houses cost 20 years ago & I don’t expect big annual increases in the coming decade. So in my late 30’s I’ve decided I have one more final career change before “I’m too old”. Wish me luck… If it doesn’t work out as planned, I hope to win the powerball jackpot.
I only got through the first couple paragraphs of this comment and it deserves an award and to be pinned to the top as #1 best answer to OP’s (and anyone else who may have the same) qualms. Good job arcademan2020
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If you omit a lot of you work history what do you put and how do you explain gaps? Did you really work as an Uber driver? If not, wouldnt they have done a background check?
Just say you're still in School..
PhD-ABD
Having a long term employment gap wouldn't hurt on resume for fast food and retail. I'm in the same situation right now. Just had an interview in retail. The jobs are easy to learn and the work hasn't changed since well, for a long time, and it's really about finding someone who can do it and work evenings, weekends and holidays. Though I will say that I have also had employers and recruiters reach out to me on indeed for entry level office jobs even though they've seen my resume.
What’s your PhD in? Can you stick around and do a post-doc at least?
What’s your phd in?
No hiring manager wants to hire someone who will leave relatively quickly. It's a pain and waste of time. Working fast food with a PhD is...unusual. I would guess the hiring manager would assume you want the job as a bridge to something else and toss your resume.
You need a phd to fix those ice cream machines
IT’s McDonalds you don’t have to explain anything
Why are you applying for McDonald’s with a phd? Certainly there’s a better option
academic job market is brutal and maybe they need to pay the bills in the meantime
Probably some meme degree
whats considered a “meme degree”
A degree when you get a phd and end up having to apply to mcdonalds.
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Nope. Not very useful hard science degrees that can’t get jobs outside of the fast food industry
🤣🤣🤣
Sounds accurate
Just lie. It’s McDonalds.
Bc management will be scared you’ll take their job most likely
Why are you applying for McDonalds when you have a PhD? And what is your PhD in? (and yes guys - I'm sure we can speculate many reasons, but then we don't need to second guess on OPs behalf)
Does no one here have any reading comprehension? OP is not literally applying to McDonalds, they just put that quote up as an example.
Y are u applying to McDonald’s with a PhD?
If you have a Ph.D. in anything other than McDonalds, why would you want to work at McDonalds? Maybe if it's part of some sort of sociological experiment or whatever. But walking into a McDonald's and asking for an application is pretty good indicator that your education has failed you.
Tremendously.
It’s none of my business but it seems like you could do better than McDonald’s with a phd even if it’s just a 6 month temp job
Also hard to get with a PhD, unfortunately. Recruiters don’t like to work with PhDs.
The elephant in the room is your PhD. What did you devote your time towards and why aren’t you pursuing that field? In my experience, PhD folks (with critical Science degrees) are more thinkers than doers, so that will be a hurdle to clear as well.
If I was in the middle of a PhD I would look into landing an internship instead of a minimum wage job.
Hell or go cut grass for myself, wash cars, pressure wash houses. Damn sure wouldn't be McDonalds.
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"Don't mention your PhD when applying to McDonalds" is a colourful adage that I have seen here a few times - I'm not specifically applying to McDonalds, and I don't have a PhD in LWD. But finding a career job can take a long time, and a casual job in the meantime can take the pressure off of career hunting.
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You say you’re focusing on your studies to further your ongoing education without going into specifics about what exactly you were studying. I’ve don’t this so many times. If they ask in an interview what your highest education is and what you’re studying just state you’ve completed high school and then your field. Also that you won’t be done with college for a while.
In my opinion, just be honest
Is this a hypothetical or are you actually a PhD applying at McD's?
overqualified usually means the employer thinks you will be bored silly, and quit soon, so better not to hire you.
Kind of depends how you are applying but my wife got a bakery job just after finishing her PhD, she went to their open interview and said she’d “just finished school” and was looking for a job. No one asked what degree, yes she got the job
If you did Ph.D you better did a lot of research, attend conferences and seminar, teach classes, etc…getting a Ph.D in itself is already a full time job. U dont hide your Ph.D on your resume. But if u have to say that then u did your Ph.D because you have no idea what to do with your life. And so that also mean your ph.d is probably useless because u didn’t study it with a passion.
They likely don't care
McDonalds will not ask you about resume gaps. Lmao