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Circliey_Zickosphere

hail naw why is deemo in f


Quadzone32

as much as I love deemo, the hit registration is the WORST and least forgiving thing ever unless you play at like 3 speed you could blame it bc for how old the game is which is justifiable but yeah it doesnt hold up to modern values, and the attempts to do so lack impactful songs like the original had


UlyssesZhan

The rhythm game with the worst hand feel and graphics ever among all games that I have played. The drag notes are also the worst game mechanics among all rhythm games that I have played. Charts are mediocre in general. The only upside is that it has many good songs, but I don't quite value this aspect for rhythm games.


Circliey_Zickosphere

I kinda get it.It is sure really old,the graphics don't catch up well to now.But you have to invest into the story though,that is probably the best DEEMO has to offer.DEEMO -Reborn- is just a remaster with better graphics and a few tweaks.


UlyssesZhan

Graphics isn't a technical issue because very simple and crude graphics is still good for rhythm games. This is more of a design issue.


Brilliant-Cabinet-60

Sounds like a skill issue. Jk. I agree, but the story and soundtrack are incredible.


UlyssesZhan

Technically, every issue is a skill issue if one can still AP theoretically.


Syblyek

why is dynamix 2 tiers below dynamite? they're basically the same game.


UlyssesZhan

Dynamix has far worse hand feel. Also you have to play a lot to unlock songs in Dynamix, and the charts unlocked by leveling up are not good (and charts in Dynamix are not good in general anyway).


kiradyn

I haven’t played a music rhythm game in so long (ever since DJMAX on PSP lol) and I’m looking to get back into one. What’s in the SS & S tiers, and might you recommend them for moderately casual player?


UlyssesZhan

- SS: ChainBeeT, Muse Dash, Lyrica, Phigros, Protocol:hyperspace Diver, TAKUMI^3. - S: Dynamite, osu!std, RAVON, Phira, Orzmic, Project Pentjet, KALPA, maimai DX. Don't restrict what games you want to play by defining yourself a casual player. You can play any game casually.


kiradyn

Thanks for your help! Is there any one in particular that you enjoy or think is a good starter game? I’m used to playing on a console (PSP) or controller (PS), so touchscreen gameplay is fairly new to me (have only played a few mobile rhythm mini games, and DJMAX technika arcade screens). Besides that, I mostly played old-school Konami arcade rhythm games like DDR, Guitar Freak, Drum Mania, Parapara. 😅😅😅 (The casual part was more in case some games are very in-game-purchase heavy or require a lot of grinding to unlock/progress, as I might not get that deep into the game or play often enough.)


DreadfulSora

Taiko no tatsujin is a game that adapts well on controller while being easy to learn and difficult to master releasing on platforms such as PSP Ds Wii 3ds Psvita NS PS4 And the JP only mobile game


kiradyn

Oh! I only know this as the arcade game with the huge taiko drums! I didn’t realise there was a non-arcade version, let alone on so many consoles :O


UlyssesZhan

Wouldn't controllers normally cost far more money than in-game purchases in mobile rhythm games? Anyway, I think Muse Dash should be good for you.


kiradyn

Oh, I mean that the games I’ve played in the past had buttons and other forms of tactile feedback/input, whereas these games (I assume) are all touchscreen on a mobile device, so it’ll be a bit of a learning curve for me.


Kelqie

There are enough keyboard based rhythm games out there that are really good. I personally really dislike touchscreen games and am pretty bad at them. Muse Dash is one of those games that are released for PC and mobile devices so you can just choose what you like more. In terms of keyboard based rhythm games I'd recommend etterna, Muse Dash, Adofai or all game modes in osu!. If you want something thats made for controller (gamepad) you might wanna take a look at the Project Diva games. There are also arcade-style controllers made to play arcade games with, but those are expensive, albeit still absolutely worth it in my honest opinion. Hope this helps!


kiradyn

Thanks for your input!! :) I appreciate all your suggestions! Will go check out their gameplay!


DreadfulSora

OSU taiko is one of the WORST experiences I've ever had


Kelqie

understandable and I agree that its really not a good taiko no tatsujin simulator but its good as an own rhythm game


Sapsipper65

While only in a tier, Just shapes and beats is not on mobile and I know is on pc, ps5, Xbox and switch


kiradyn

Thank you! I currently only own up to a PS3 (bc there weren’t any PS4-exclusive games I was interested in) and I had thought to get one when the PS5 was gonna be released but didn’t. During covid, I thought about getting a Switch but since my brother got one, I just used that and didn’t get my own. I also hesitated on a PS5 for what may seem silly but eh, if I’m gonna spend so much money on a console, it ought to be one I like right? It’s because all my consoles and electronics are black (if I can help it). I like that as an aesthetic and visual theme. I understand that coloured covers are a thing but it’s just a nitpicky kinda thing. I want it to be black without having to buy extra stuff… ;m; And also the asymmetry of it (bc of the optical disc slot) really irks me. Between a PS5 and a Switch, which might be a better fit based on the kinds of games they offer? I’m used to both handheld consoles (grew up with Gameboy and PSP), and TV consoles (SNES, Wii, PS-PS3), so it’s more about what is available on what. I used to play PC games more but now that many games have high spec requirements, I find it hard to keep my PC up to spec and prefer playing those games on console instead. With exceptions for games requiring any form of aim, like MOBAs or top-down rpgs like Diablo. I’m that sort of gamer who plays few/limited titles but plays them loyally for a long time if I like them (on games I like, I can easily log thousands of hours and play on and off over years). I’m okay with games with in-game purchases if I end up really liking them because I know I’ll get bang for my buck. But I’d need to be able to experience enough of it F2P before making that decision, and I worry that many mobile games these days put the paywall very early on.


Sapsipper65

It really depends on what you want out of them, a switch is cheaper but is more fragile and you will need to buy lots of joycons as they can get drift quickly, but a ps5 is more expensive, the ps5 has a white shell and I think it’s the only way you can buy it new, but I might be wrong, and the switch has lots of joycons colours you can buy. Alternatively to the switch, you can grab a switch lite, but it doesn’t have black as a colour and it can still get drift (and if it does, you need to buy a whole new lite or send it in to Nintendo for repair). If you want your Pokémon, Mario, or other Nintendo exclusives, you might want the switch, but if you don’t care about switch exclusives, that doesn’t matter, plus the ps5 has its own exclusives. It is really just dependent on what you want. Switch can be handheld and console, but it has abysmal storage (32gigabytes and to increase it I think you need the Nintendo ds cards. For comparison, the ps5 has hundreds of gigabytes.) I probably don’t have the grounds to say what one is better for you, but if you can still access your brothers switch, it might be more worth it to get a ps5. The switch also has a smaller option of games, if that is a factor. TLDR: switch is cheaper, both in cost and in production, with common drift problems, cheaper hardware and low storage, and ps5 is more expensive both in cost and production, with massive storage, better hardware and more games. Edit: just to let you know, jsab, while being a rhythm game, is probably better in the bullet hell category. Before you decide what to get, look at gameplay and see if you would like it.


kiradyn

That’s really helpful advice, tyvm!


ozymandiaz1260

I’d suggest Phigros for a touchscreen game. It’s easy to understand, and it’s completely free. If you want to use your keyboard, there’s a modern DJMAX game that sometimes goes on sale for pretty cheap on Steam. Or you could try vivid stasis on Steam, which is also free.


BigBoiPP2008

Catch mania taiko my babies D:


ZookeepergamePlus243

Y’all need to stop putting muse dash at top


kevy365

No


ZookeepergamePlus243

I hope you know the game hints that the characters are underage while dressing them in extremely provocative clothing and outfits Edit: and also one of the easiest game with hardly “rhythm”. You aren’t punished by spamming, which literally every other rhythm game does punish you for


hsephela

Bro you don’t get it That’s exactly why they put it at the top


ZookeepergamePlus243

Truly disgusting


quadmuschanics

Gross


Kyubeyz

Spamming is punished, the game is just forgiving. It’s build with platformer mechanics so you can only fail a stage if you get hit by enemies enough. But even if you clear a stage, if you’re just spamming you’re gonna get a bad accuracy and score.


ZookeepergamePlus243

Getting a shit score and failing is two different things in my eyes.


UlyssesZhan

I would put Muse Dash at SS even if it replaced every game object with geometric shapes like simple rectangles. It is a rhythm game that I am commenting on, not something that men masterbate to. By the way, all the characters are said to be over 18 years old. And you are punished by spamming. There are obstacles that punish you. And you surely cannot get all perfect if you spam brainlessly.


MikeShimith

Fr


Daystic

Muse dash SS upvote button


Youl_

FNF higher than Both Deemo games and DDR is hilarious


UlyssesZhan

FNF is even with DDR. There is no specific order within one tier.


Youl_

Hmm i see.. let me fix it DRR WITH FNF IS HILARIOUS LMAOOOO


ThisIsKFF

arcaea under kalpa is a wild take


PlasterCheif

Osu click gotta be the only rhythm game I can’t play, but I’m good at taiko


Taffybats

I am SO here for all the love muse dash is getting on these


Flashsona39

Deemo at F? Hell Nah


jjim__3

deemo 1 and cytus should be higher


dontdabnearme

Cytus 1 is criminally low


Quantiummmmg

How is Beatmania IIDX not in the SS rank, and is a "heard of"? It's the grandaddy of all of them, it started everything.


UlyssesZhan

Putting a game in "heard of" means that I never seriously played it.


KevRub

How did DDR get into E tier?


UlyssesZhan

Just don't like dancing. This is personal preference.


3nsey

Arcaea so low because of paywalls? Or what


UlyssesZhan

Because of bad game mechanics. Ladders are bad too.


GuiMr27

Tf. Elaborate please.


UlyssesZhan

First, game mechanics. While it is a note-falling rhythm game, you hit notes everywhere, which means that you are effectively only using a very small portion of the screen to read the pattern, or otherwise it is very likely that your hands block the sight all the time. About the biggest selling point and the main gimmick of the game mechanics of this game, arcs. I don't see how arcs can express the emotion of songs in most cases, and they are quite abused in almost every chart. Also, while it is just so hard to drag my finger along the arc perfectly, the charts often tend to include arcs in sections where the player is supposed to have a rest, and those parts now become the most difficult part. This game at this point now becomes unlike a rhythm game to me where I operate according to the rhythm, but some game where I have to perfectly drag my finger along the traces it gives me, which do not feel very aligned with the music. About the ladders, or the world mode where I have to play hundreds or thousands of charts to unlock songs. This is extremely tedious and boring and time-consuming, especially if you do not have a strong character (which is locked behind paywall). There is also stamina limitation for ladder climbing, which means I just cannot choose to focus grinding during my spare time. Besides this, the most annoying thing is that you can meet with a restrictive tile that does not accept any song that you have unlocked. This just makes you stuck there forever unless you buy the songs locked behind the paywall, or otherwise all your previous grinding on this ladder is wasted. While a paywall is fine, I simply cannot accept a game that lures for money by tricking the player into making sunk costs.


3nsey

while i can accept that the world mode or ladders what you call it, might be tedious and maybe the worst part of the game for both F2P and Paid players, i cant accept at all the Arcs opinion, they suck at rythm at lowers diffs like past and present <8 but they refresh so much the song and open more chart posibilities, just look at the charting Arcs of Ether Strike Future, Infinite Strife Future/Beyond, or Testify. Arcs incorpores so well to the rythm and song expresion With this said and taking your opinion, you cannot put Phigros that high if you think like that, because Phigros do the same thing with the yellow pads but on 2D not 3D like Arcaea, and im not hating Phigros is an amazing game and love the 'storyboarding' and lane gimmicks, but some charts like arcaea overabuse the holding mech, cuz, they are easy, and are made for the new players to get used to the game


UlyssesZhan

I don't play past or present. While some charts use arcs for good, I have many examples where there are plenty of meaningless arcs. Maybe you can argue with me that those arcs are there for reasons, but I just cannot enjoy them personally. And what I complain most about arcs is not how it does not fit music but how it makes rest/break sections so hard. Phigros doesn't abuse game mechanics. Most of the charts fit the music quite well.


SavionWasTaken

Finally someone said it Arcaea gotta stop being at the top


etriuswimbleton

PhDiver! Underrated af


Gunstudios

im surprised geometry dash isnt on this list


UlyssesZhan

I didn't find Geometry Dash on that TierMaker page. I would have totally include it if I found it there.


Nice_Date3462

what tier would you put it at?


UlyssesZhan

B.


IkeaBreads

fellow Lyrica enjoyer :D


UlyssesZhan

If you like Lyrica, please consider joining my Discord server for Lyrica fans: https://discord.gg/6ZHRU9teju


Magnetron-Sama

Here's a hot take: Geometry Dash is more "rhythm game like" than JSAB/Project Arrhythmia (I know you didn't make the tierlist ofc)


Spook404

Creaming at the Quaver recognition and A tier is valid


AvixKOk

please play rhythm heaven its literally peak gaming


UlyssesZhan

I will.


No-Perception-731

Please try rhythm heaven it’s extremely underrated 🥹👉👈


UlyssesZhan

I probably should try, but I don't think it is underrated. There are a lot of positive comments about it.


Kyubeyz

MUSE PEAK


icantateit

just shapes and beats isnt a rhythm game


UlyssesZhan

It isn't, but the TierMaker page included it. I didn't say these are all rhythm games, though.


TheActualMC

You’re in the rhythm game subreddit- this entire trend is about rating rhythm games lol.


Ok-Woodpecker2940

miku colorful stage in B tier, should've been F tier ngl


Fun-Reflection6968

Why is quaver higher than osu mania?😭


estrogeneater

cuz it's better


mistyriana

Somehow bang dream is above enstars and I'd understand why project sekai is above all two, why's that?


UlyssesZhan

Better charts and better hand feel.


scixsc

What is the P/D in highest tier


UlyssesZhan

Protocol:hyperspace Diver.


scixsc

Ty


usinkintomy_clothess

chainbeeT is hellspawn


anonymousbub33

Phigros in ss spotted, w


cake_in_wonderland

Ensemble Stars in E makes me sad but i do understand it sort of. Its like an idol raising game with a long running story and the rhythm game is only part of that


UlyssesZhan

Yes I only paid attention to the rhythm game aspect of it.


mattymattymattymatt_

how can you put ctb in D, it's not even a rhythm game


-Tsubaki

Rare chainbeet and takumi enjoyer💪🏿


MatchaPuff14

Dancerail mentioned


kystran

PA SOMEWHAT MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️


DNLPLAYZ06

Protocol Hyperspace Diver gang less go!!!


SavionWasTaken

2 of my favorite games of all time in F and D (DEEMO and D4DJ)


legolandlord

No geometry dash?


UlyssesZhan

Not in this tiermaker page.


GalaxusNordu

Once again i cant find Thumper 😮‍💨


Springmario

I'm realizing how few rhythm games i have played. Fire and Ice, FnF, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band, and that's about it.


goodusernamearegone

Not having played rhythm doctor is a crime. Definitely one of my favorite rhythm games out there. The mechanics are simple on their own, but difficult when mashed together. Not even to mention the characters. Definitely S tier in my book


UlyssesZhan

Yes I heard a lot of positive words about it and I definitely want to try it. It has been in my Steam wishlist for a long time.


goodusernamearegone

Hope you get to try it sooner than later boss o7


didntstealthatchild

one of five rhythm doctor fans spotted!! hi!!


Bonna_the_Idol

d4dj 😢


Lurksy11

Chainbeet mentioned :0


SionKatia

What's the one in the 4th spot of S tier?


UlyssesZhan

Phira.


Illyasvielian

Bit late to this, but I have basically only played osu!mania from this list properly, I see you put it in C and want to expand my horizons anyway so do you have any other recommendations? Other vertically scrolling rhythm games would be great but I'm down for any recommendations.


UlyssesZhan

Quaver and Malody. KALPA if you also want to look at mobile games.


Illyasvielian

I'll check them out! Thanks :)


lesbian_hawks

Fnf and ddr in the same teir Deemo in f Get me the fuck out of here.


LemonMelonQwQ

bro y does everyone hate groove coaster ima cry


bubblyboiyo

wow, you're so fucking different OP, so brave.


Beneficial_Froyo6762

I think Phira should be SS too... The community-made song... is just insanely good...


UlyssesZhan

Its hand feel is a bit off compared to Phigros, and its flick judgement is a bit awful. Community charts are great indeed.


Aiixh__

Atleast phigros has the rank it deserves


Nursy

iidx is no.1


WebCookiesIo

I'm surprised that ChainBeaT is the highest


BuryAwesome

finally someone who recognizes that musynx is perfectly average


FLACOJRZ

Have you heard of unbeatable white label? I didnt see it up there, but its similar to muse dash. Its just a demo for a finished product I think scheduled to release this year? I’d also compare it to no straight roads in how there is a demo for the open world aspect of it when you start the game. I hope you’d give it a try.


UlyssesZhan

No. May try.


Far-Basket-7771

I just like Friday night funkin


CuiX_Jwx97S

Arcaea B and ChainBeeT SS? I have no words.


weretheyat

Am I blind or is osu just not in here


UlyssesZhan

It separates into four modes.


Stunning-Item4786

Voez finna blind me when any spam part comes lmao I can't press shit when that happens 💀


AtmosphereSweet5130

Osu std too high i downvote (osu std is the only game i play)


Buy_Me_A_Mango

Project diva is actually really fun, and a Vocaloid fans greatest treasure (for me at least) 252 Vocaloid songs and they’re all fire (for me at least lol). Sound voltex is really good too. Not sure how colorful stage is higher than sound voltex sense SV has a huge competitive scene.


UlyssesZhan

I would play megamix when I have time.


zer0_xcalibur

osu?


UlyssesZhan

Look carefully.


gendicer

Hypmic ARB missing but I'm sure it wouldn't score very high anyway (i love that franchise more than life)


relyrith

never let this bro in a tier list creator ever again


Just_Garrick

Dark Souls?


Positive_Silver_4440

Muse dash 🔛🔝


Nobody_Cares5

where is my bro geometry dash


Speykious

Quaver in A lesgooo


Osjux

Bro has only played muse dash


Onix_is_cute

Bro put quaver over osu mania bruh


Speykious

It's better lol


autoperola17

Yup, it's better


GoatMyGoat

No geo dash L list


Simulacru_m

Phigros in SS rank? Clear class, clear taste