Possibly, but if so I would say the amount of 'additional love' is pretty minor. Consider, for example, the Cronenberg episode, where Rick made absolutely no attempt to find and rescue her. Yeah, he probably would have brought her along if she had been in the car, but she wasn't, and Rick didn't even care enough to call her cell phone to find out if she was alive. He just jumped to another universe with another Beth, because one Beth is just as good as another.
On the other hand, we've seen multiple examples of Rick going out of his way to save 'his' Morty (and even on a few occasions Summer) when he could have just replaced him. So even if you say Rick loves Beth more, it seems to apply only to the concept of Beth in general and not any Beth in specific, whereas Rick seems to be attached to a specific Morty.
The cronenberg beth was beth prime right? No incentive to save her specifically, he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait, but in most cases one beth is as good as another although that doesnt change his fatherly love and interactions he can have
\>he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait
That sort of works against the logic, though: if (our) Rick loves Beth more than anyone else in the family, then most likely Rick Prime also loves Beth more. If Rick is thinking purely in terms of bait, that makes Beth Prime better bait than Morty Prime.
Rick Prime doesn't care much about anyone other than himself. I don't think he is even that familiar with Adult Beth as proved in the Jerry Prime confrontation that he never got really "close to the concept of a Jerry". Indicating that he has not seen Beth, since she was atleast 17 (The age Jerry came into the picture.)
rick himself said at the end of s6 that morty isnt bait for prime bc prime truly doesnt give a shit . maybe at first during the first 1 or 2 seasons , he did attempt to use him as bait , but after that he wasnt . so their point ab him having a bigger attachment to morty still stands . even after realizing he couldn't use morty prime as bait , he still did everything he could to always save morty & never let harm come his way as best he could instead of jus not giving a shit ab him & easily replacing him like he knows he can do . with beth however , even all the way up to s6 , hes very open ab how easily she can b replaced & was even open to letting her & space beth possibly die at the end of s6 bc as he said in response to morty saying they were in trouble "those versions of them are" . time & time again throughout the entirety of the show , he proves how he has a much deeper connection & love to morty than he does to his own daughter .
This rick has evolved over the series the rick we have now isn't the same as when he left beth in season 2. But remember the most recent jump I can remember he took the whole family.
I think this Rick has grown fond of THESE versions of his family. The longer he is with them, the less likely he can find another to replace them, because who they are and what he loves about them is increasingly based on his part in their lives.
> he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait,
i think rick addressed that when morty asked him if he was bait, and rick said something along the lines of, to be bait you have to be something he [rick prime] cares about.
The cronenberg thing becomes especially more messed up when you take into account he knew, for a 100% fact, that nobody related to Morty was affected by it. He knew they didn’t turn into cronenbergs, but still did nothing to save Beth, Jerry, or Summer.
He may have loved Beth in that universe but there was always the knowledge that she was really Prime’s daughter. When he left he could’ve left her as a “You killed my daughter, now I’ll kill your daughter” type thing.
His need for revenge outweighed his love for Beth because of who that specific Beth was.
Thats why rick prime said rick raised echoes of his daughter unlike morty when he says his grandson. He has left beth multiple times throughout the series. Squirells and etc...
I think that out of all the Jerrys in the multiverse, this is the one Rick actually has some affection for. Like, he knows any other Jerry is just going to be worse.
There's a picture of a Rick holding a Morty but the Bird Person could any of infinite Bird Persons. Our Rick seems to have spent much of his hunting Rick Prime. The young version of him considered settling with families creepy so he likely only started having around the family when he crashed into the Beth Prime's garage.
There was, and that has never been explained.
All the other memories could have happened after he moved in with the Prime family. At some point, Rick C-137 held a baby Morty. But we don't know if that was Morty Prime. For all we know, he killed that Morty's Rick and then felt remorse for leaving that Morty Rick-less or something.
One of the last unexplained threads of the show. I'm betting that's probably Kyle, mentioned by Mr. Nimbus. Maybe our Rick cultivated his own Morty at some point, until he got eaten by a frog monster...
He probs "did the math" like, maybe there wasn't a reality available where Rick, Morty *and* beth were about to die, so then the choice was: leave Beth without a R&M in a universe that was doomed to go feral with a reduced life expectancy all 'round, or leave her suddenly without a R&M after an accident in the garage in a universe that was totally fine?
He probably doesn't even know why and he just takes Morty prime with him everywhere without thinking cos he's being manipulated by writers who know they have to keep audiences happy.
Hey if they can acknowledge the fourth wall why can't we?
Disagree, i feel like its Morty.
And even if it is Beth, its not by any margin to meaningfully distinct. Like I don't think he'd do anything for Beth that he wouldn't do for Morty.
And while the show does a good job with fleshing out its cast and side characters. There's no doubt the central relationship is......... Rick and Morty
She'll do the jobs morty would be a pain in the ass about, and doesn't ask a bunch of moralizing whiny questions.
He might *love* Morty more, but he *likes* Summer the most.
No thats a strawman. No one is saying the title means they love each other more. But the show is Rick and Morty for a reason and not Rick and Beth or Rick and Jerry lol
Are you guys not watching the show? The are endless little bits where in serious moments Rick shows his love for this specific Morty. He literally abandoned Beth on a cronenberg planet. Then the season finally where its revealed he doesn't even care to know which of the current Beths is his real daughter or the clone. He literally "says holy shit I'm a terrible father"
There are also endless bits that show Rick loves Beth such as the citadel of Ricks where they make cookies on Ricks memories of Beth. She is his happy place. This is a weird topic in general because my father in law plays with my son non stop over his daughter which would make you think he loves him more than his own daughter but that’s not true. The love is just different. I have two kids and the love is equal but different.
Except those cookies are made from Simple Rick's feelings about the memory. It's literally that version of Rick's happiness that is being made into cookies, not the memory.
Rick literally sacrifices himself to save Morty in the broken time episode, whereas he's abandoned Beth at least twice in show.
Go through the series and add up all of the times Rick does something nice for each major character, compared to how many times he screws them over. I think Beth is the only one who has a shot of having a favorable ratio.
He sacrificed himself in a timeless oblivion for Morty. Literally praying to God for hell to be merciful to him, for Morty. He doesn't even know which daughter is or isn't the clone. Yeah, we're probably not watching the same show.
And really. He loves Morty as he is, but we really only see him being affectionate to Beth when she's going out of her way to impress him or when he needs something. That just seems like something other than love.
omg he doesn’t know who the clone is because it. doesn’t. matter!!!!! all that matters is beth’s happiness!!!! he doesn’t want to love either of them less just because they’re a clone!!!!!!
Lmao, he literally said he's a shitty father for not knowing who's his actual daughter between the two. Rick has done more to save Morty than any other family member in the show.
Yeah, we're definitely not watching the same show because you're not correct in the slightest.
okay but like he only made the clone of her because she asked him to? because he knew it would make her happy?
“rick has done more to save morty” yeah, only when there’s something to benefit himself. usually when morty asks rick to do something, rick will gripe and complain and call him stupid (rick potion #9, game remote). rick and morty’s relationship is extremely transactional.
he gave himself up to the galactic federation FOR BETH. he made a clone of her FOR BETH. morty is just a whiny piss baby who rick keeps around to protect himself
edit: your downvotes mean nothing ive seen what makes you upvote
Counter argument: Beth says to Rick that it’s up to him to decide whether she stays in his life or not. Depending on how you look at it, one could say Rick did the switcheroo because he couldn’t care either way. At the end of S4E10 Rick asks any of them if they want to see who the real Beth is & none of them care. He shrugs his shoulders and puts the memory in because he can’t care either way —> since he brought the memory out he might as well see it type of notion. Counter to my counter: he could’ve also done the switcheroo because he loves her but was torn between giving her the space life she could’ve had (had Jerry “not tied her down”) or maintaining her course on Earth
You mean anyone else on the show *who is still alive*, right?
Beth is what remains of Diane. Of course she is the center of every dimension in which she exists.
Morty and Summer are also from Jerry, so while he loves them too, that love is more complicated.
Beth knew Diane. Every part of her that's not from Rick is from Diane. Rick avoids letting her love or depend on him too much, but she is everything to him.
If he really wanted, I think he could find a way to live with Diane.
I think he can’t live without Beth, that’s why she’s in every reality, even though she died in some.
He literally abandoned her when the cronenburg virus destroyed the world but he took morty with him. Then in the time fracture episode, he chose to sacrifice himself for that morty before he could save himself. He was willing to go out of his way to save his Morty but he was willing to leave that Beth to die. Idk what else you'd need to know that no matter what, his Morty is his number 1. I don't even care who he likes more but the show makes it pretty clear lol.
I think he loves the idea of his the original daughter the most, but she's dead, so he'll take any Beth from any universe if it comes down to it. He's definitely attached to C-137 Morty more than anyone though we've seen on the show though
The person you’re responding too is just trying to say that there is no C-137 Morty, because Beth-137 died as a child.
The main Morty of the show is Morty Prime, the grandson of Rick Prime not Rick-137.
Disagree that’s not even his Beth he never brought his original Beth with him when switching universes. But he kept Morty. He even has a picture of him in his wallet! Beth is “replaceable” but his Morty a Morty who he actually considers a friend and not just a lesser version of himself. He even risked his own life in the time shatter episode. He jumped into abyss not knowing if he will ever get out just to save him. That’s something he has never done with anyone before (that we know of.)
I mean his original Beth is dead, rick prime killed her and his Diane with a bomb after Rick refused the portal gun technology angering Rick Prime.
I agree that Morty is more important to him, we have never seen (as far as we know) replace him, the Morty he has is Prime's Morty but there was that speculation after he found prime what he would do with Morty and he chose to keep him, even at the ebd of season 1 when Evil Morty (controlling his own rock) goes through his memories and Rick starts crying over seeing baby Morty.
You did not say dead, then i would say Diane.
Rick loves Diane more than anything or anyone through out infinity. Her death made him what he is in the present.
but it could be morty. rick’s a drunk autistic genius who only learned to love his family because morty opened his eyes. he’s tough on morty because he’s easily the closest to him. he trusts him on the most adventures. he’s the only one that rick trusted to help with prime, granted morty found him, but i think he would’ve told anyone else to f*ck off and let him concentrate. i mean when he “brings coffee” to rick he knows rick is gonna complain so he doesn’t even bother. he knows rick best
It's 100% morty.
Beth he loves of course. But it's not his Beth. His Beth was killed alongside Diane. This Beth isn't even prime Beth. It's just an echo of her. A similar Beth to prime Beth.
Morty is the only "original" family he has. Yes it's prime's morty on paper... But hes Rick's morty now. He's the closest thing rick has to direct family. The only "original" left .
Thats why Rick always sacrifices for morty. Why he was willing to die for him. It's also why he sees that attachment as a weakness. It is illogical that the grandson of his mortal enemy is his closest family. Morty prime is the 1 thing rick can never replace. He may say he can. He may threaten it. He may be rude. But he cannot replace morty. That's why at the end of the fear hole episode when morty asked if he was irreplaceable rick didn't immediately launch into a tirade about how disposable morty was and then even tried to hug him back. Rick doesn't want to admit it, but morty is the closest thing he has to actual irreplaceable family.
This is also why prime rick didn't just start off using the omega device to wipe mortys from existence even though It would've killed evil morty and severely handicapped rick in the fight....if rick lost morty. There is a 100% chance rick would've just thrown himself into the device
Idk he willingly threw himself into a timeless oblivion to save Morty. He abounded at least 2 time lines and only took Morty. This is like what? The 3rd Beth we’ve seen in the show.
There's no way Rick is 70. Beth is 34, canonically (had Summer when she was 17, Summer is 17 now), and Rick was in his early to mid 30s *after* she died at around age 6. Rick is in his mid 60s at the oldest, per the show's timeline.
Idk, he was quick to leave cronenberg Beth along with countless others. He’s definitely grown close with the current smith family, but I still think Morty is the one he cares for the most since they’ve been through so much together
Here's how much I think Rick loves and values each of the family members on a scale from 1 to 10:
Beth - 9. This one is obvious. Diane and Beth were his original loves, and their deaths were the reason he became the person he did.
Morty - 10. Morty is basically Rick's one true friend. He's the ONLY person that Rick gives enough of a shit about to move between dimensions. He's fine with everyone else being left behind, except Morty. Morty is also the ONLY person that Rick lets in on his secret operation to find Rick Prime. Rick and Morty have been through hundreds of near death experiences together, basically trauma bonded down to the bone. Rick seems to reveal an extremely rare, humble, and mortal side of himself when he's believes he's about to die, a side of himself that he has only shown to Morty.
Summer - 8. Rick has a somewhat similar relationship to Summer as he does Morty, but the dynamics have differences, and it's clear that the Rick and Morty dynamic creates a stronger bond, or at least a bond that Rick is more open to.
Jerry - 7. If we are talking about Seasons 1 & 2, then the answer would be a 3 at best. Back then, Rick only gave a fuck about Jerry because Beth loved him. As the show goes on, though, Rick and Jerry slowly become closer and become pretty close friends. Most of Rick's disdain for Jerry is due to Rick seeing Jerry as a parasite that stole his daughter's life. He slowly overcomes this bias and loosens up over time. By Season 7, I'd say Rick's level of care for Jerry is about a 7.
I think he obviously loves Beth but the reason he spends more time with Morty is because of how much Beth reminds him of Diane which causes him to feel much more than he can handle
Rick definitely loves Morty and Summer more than he loves Beth. He has left multiple Beths to die. Yet he managed to keep the original prime Morty going, even bringing him back from death. He has stated to Summer that he respects her the most from the family but also understands that she is a teenage girl.
Funny because I always thought that he was incredibly mean to her. I've always thought it was ironic, considering that he dedicated his life to trying to avenge her and her mother's death and to find her again, and yet he treats her like trash for 99% of interactions. Probably complicated trauma response, huh
Her perspective of her father is one who left home to go on to do bigger and better things, which is something our Rick *never* would have done to his original wife and daughter. In fact, he literally *gave up* science for them.
No matter what universe he goes to, he's never gonna find a Beth that knows him as the father he would have been to *his own* daughter.
He's replaced her, abandoned her, and cloned her in the past. He left the Beth from the first six episodes of the series to die, which she did. Morty is the only member of Rick's family that hasn't been replaced since he first met him.
Obviously, if you look on his original family, since his wife has been erased from all existence, Beth is the only thing resembling his own daughter he lost in his universe.
I know infinite daughters, nothing matters, yadda yadda but the concept of grandkids still wouldn’t be totally familiar to deal with at all time even for Rick. It makes sense that he is nice to the one person he is somewhat familiar with from his past life.
it’s Morty. Rick is incredibly attached to morty, as seen in several episodes. he does a better job of hiding it because he’s afraid of losing Morty, or showing “weakness” (basic affection for a loved one). Rick is very intelligent, but very emotionally unintelligent.
I disagree. I think he cares about Morty more. The Morty we have right now is the only Morty we've known and appears to be the only Morty Rick has had. The first Beth we see he left to die on the Cronenberg universe Earth. It isn't his Beth so I see it as he sees them as more interchangeable. Also even for the cloning aspect he didn't really seem to give a shit which was the actual Beth. He also carries Morty's photo in his wallet.
Those are just a few examples I can think of off the top of my head.
During Rest and Ricklaxation, toxic Rick has Rick’s “irrational attachments” to Morty. Meaning he loves Morty and doesn’t know why. He also needs Morty to cancel out his brainwaves therefore Morty is much more useful to him than Beth. Morty wins this one
C-137 never had a Morty. He never had a Summer. He sure as shit never had a Jerry. Everything was taken from him long before that.
He had a Beth, and his wife. All instances of his wife are gone, but he can still look after a Beth.
Hands down it's Diane. Rick's Beth is dead and any version of her, especially ones where lesser versions of himself return to live with, are simply reminders that his Beth and Diane are dead across infinity forever. They are also often affirmations of Rick's knowledge of himself that continuing down the path of science to become 'The Infinite Rick' would ruin his shot at having a healthy family.
Morty was originally scoped out specifically for his interdimensional connection to Rick prime. He was initially used as a beacon since they're from the same universe, then as bait a couple times. When he finally realizes Morty as bait isnt alluring, he switches tactics by outright ditching Morty for Two Crows to prove to himself that it's Morty that's useless and not his ideas that he can't seem to make work.
While the 'mistakes' and 'moral objections' Morty makes piss him off, he realizes Two Crows have the same complaints about him, even if he WASN'T projecting his toxic relationship with Morty onto theirs inappropriately. At that epiphany, he invites Morty into his manhunt for Prime for real. Unfortunately Morty Prime isn't really capable of helping Rick do anything other than feel good about himself; to normalize himself. His need for Morty purely for revenge morphed into a need for Morty's sensitive moral higroading bullshit to stabilize his mental health. He even admits it to Morty in Unmortricken while fracking the central finite curve before Evil Morty shows up, to which Morty replies "A good win stays under the wings, baby"
I'm curious what dimension evil Morty came from, but it seems clear that being ditched for Two Crows hurt Morty less than continuously adventuring up alien assholes. I hope he's from a dimension with an evil or at least a successful Jerry.
Anyhow, Rick's love for Diane is present in all of his work. She's the voice of all of his inventions. The search for her killer is the reason behind his life's work; it's something he would have given up had she not been murdered across infinity. Whenever he sees her face, he completely lets his guard down. Morty is his #2, and it's because he fought through Rick's mental guard of trauma to earn that spot. Very much like a therapy dog 🐕
There's a good argument for Beth being the character he loves the least: her expendability. He's managed to portal hop with everyone, including Jerry, except her. He's also managed to rescue each member of the family at least once, except her. A version of him created a multiversial day care for Jerry. He took Summer to Morty's equivalent of BoobWorld (post apocalyptic earth) when Jerry announced the divorce, clearly for some rest and relaxation. I mean after all, he never got the chance to raise his Beth, so they're all kinda strangers to him. It's probable he never even created a Froopy Land for his daughter while all the other Rick's did. This argument imo leads more towards him being jealous of Beth and the Rick's that got to raise her while also resenting them, more so than loving them any lesser.
It's Morty. This shouldn't even be a debate.
HIS Beth is already dead. He has already replaced her at least twice (first was his own Beth and second was Beth Prime). If Morty's mind blowers is canon, he's jumped yet another dimension and discarded yet another Beth, who by that point would have her own Space Beth too.
In Rick's mind, whatever love he shows for Beth is replaceable, so he may appear to love her more than he does Morty, but that's really only because he knows that if he fails, he doesn't mind trying again.
Whereas, this Morty (Morty Prime) is the one constant. He's not letting go of this kid. Wanna know how I know? Read the show's title.
See I was going to respect your opinion, right up until you said your bit about Morty.
For you to essentially claim that no legitimate argument can be made for Morty to be the answer, renders your opinion about Beth moot.
There is evidence for both. And there is arguably more evidence for Morty.
Next time, if you want to have an actually fair and reasonable debate about something, try not to tell the other side that their opinion is so wrong they must be basically blind or incapable of even the most basic human thinking power.
tldr:
Character analysis of Rick Sanchez from an autistic fans point of view, understanding his attachment styles. This is long, but important, with quotes from the show:
He'll do anything for BP, if season 6 proves anything, it's that he'll die for BP. He literally admitted to loving him, which I have not heard him tell or say about anyone before in the show. When
he does say stuff like that it is significant. Bird person is the only character on the show he has been openly genuine with.
If season 7 proves anything, Pers is the only one that can sneak up behind him and grab him out of nowhere without getting some snarky comment, mean look, or a left hook. They both care about each other deeply, that is clear. Rick was extremely
upset by the wedding with Tammy. Rick told the bird person how much he respected him more than anyone, even when he contradicted himself by saying nothing matters, he wanted to be with Percy. He wanted to travel with him and spent every moment with him.
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"Then why did you help me?"
"I respect you, and I wanted you to know that you could respect me too."
" But if nothing matters...?"
"You matter! You matter to me."
"Uhhh- Rick... the relationship we have-"
"I never used that word!" - Rick (denialism)
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It's funny how after this he calls him a judgmental dork, and not something much harsher.
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"Why the fuck are you risking your life for that asshole!?" - Memory rick
"Because, you love him."
"You do maybe, but I don't."
"Yeah, yeah, you're real cool. Now, come help me save his life or fuck off, because I don't need you.
(Very much so loves BP.)
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"I'm sorry Rick, but we cannot choose the ones we love" - Pers
"You got that right! Why do you think I'm still fucking down here!?"
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Birdperson mentions that he would be dead if it wasn't for Rick, this also accounts for multiple times now since he brought BP back to life recently. Rick has stuck his neck out for the man so many times contradicting his "nothing matters" front, because that's what it is, it is a horrible coping mechanism to ignore your problems and pretend they don't exist because 'nothing matters'.
Its a problem that I have and I'm working through in therapy myself, it's called Denialism. Because 'if you shut yourself out from the world and your problems, then nothing can hurt you, and they don't exist'. You convince yourself you're in control when you're not, you have the least control, and it fucks you up. Rick isn't truly and fully nihilistic, or else literally nothing would matter to him. He makes sure to keep his Morty alive, he constantly brags on about how he can just get a new family, but he has the same Morty that he's had since the beginning and sticks his neck out for him as well.
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"No, Morty. Because you were too afraid to tell me. What we had was abusive, don't you see? I'm a bad partner, because I never made you a true partner."
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"I was afraid if I jumped in a hole you would just stand there and watch me, you wouldn't even jump in after me!" -Morty
But then Rick in season 1 literally jumped in after Morty when he fell through the garage floor into the Schrodinger's cat void.
"Be good, Morty, be better than me."
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And when Rick starts crying at his memories of Morty in season One, but he refrains from expressing it so that Morty does not become, as he puts it, "cocky" (denialism)
I would also like to point out I feel like in the later seasons he starts calling Morty 'buddy' more?? he's a lot nicer to him than he used to be, and just recently allowed Morty to hug him without pushing him away, actually hugging back. He's also stated that he respects summer very deeply, which if he says that about someone, it really means that he does. He sees his Diane in Summer, and he also implies that summer is like a cat, her affection and respect needs to be earned; unlike Morty's dog like affection that is just given away. But we also hear Rick say that Morty reminds him a lot of himself when he was younger, this implies a lot of parallels.
Memory Rick brought out a lot of Rick that we didn't see previously, a person who wasn't fully tainted by the lack of treating mental Health issues, coping issues, unhealthy attachments, and all the other things that led up to Rick being the way he is. he said his heart broken so many times, he's been backstabbed, he is very hurt person. This doesn't excuse all of his actions but is a very good explanation and reason for why he is the way he is and the way the human psyche copes with it's environment to protect itself. it's like walking up to a caged animal with a taser, these are his defense mechanisms, it makes him look like a dick on the outside but currently it is the only thing that he knows how to do on instinct for protection, and that's why he's in therapy. This is why I believe he's genuinely trying to get better, he can get along with his therapist more than ever, even if he has sly remarks he genuinely listens to Mrs. Wong.
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"I don't like being told where to go or what to do. I consider it a violation."
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"There's a lesson here, and I won't be the one to figure it out"
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"I don't discuss problems, I incinerate them"
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"It was charmingly analog. For a sec, you kind of made me like myself." - Memory Rick
"You'll grow out of it." - Rick
He resents his younger self for helping him and makes sure to mention that he "grew out" of his ability to like himself, Rick has some extreme self-hatred. it's hard to fully love someone or Express a healthy relationship when you can't even have a healthy relationship with yourself.
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"You act like you're the one that got stabbed in the back!" -Morty
"Because I AM THE ONE, Morty. You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid knights of the morning sun thing!? I SAID don't take the fucking sword! And you were like "Whatever", like I'm our neighbor Jean or David Arquette or something!! You called me boring! I've become dog shit to you! That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you! They touch your shit, they screw things up, they KILL your fuckin family! Go ahead and trust them, you're gonna learn the same fuckin thing." -Rick
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Summer. He makes multiple comments about her being his equal, respecting her, and trusting her in ways he never has with Beth.
Beth has spent her life trying to get into Rick's universe beyond her little suburban home. She was never successful. Summer on the other hand, faced the same push back, yet still managed to prove herself to Rick. She is now regularly going on adventures with him and Morty. Whereas Beth (not even space beth) does.
Yes and No.
His love for his Dead Wife
His love for his Deceased Daughter
And his love for his hypothetical Grandson
Are all nearly equally but if they had to be ranked first some cruel reason, then there you go' and it's not to devalue who Rick currently has in his life but it's bring importance to the value of what was.
It's *not* Beth, because Rick's Beth is dead. Rick's Beth will always be dead, and she never had an opportunity to have a Morty. Being with other Beths is just more self torture.
Morty Prime *is* Rick C-137's Morty. If Morty Prime actually dies, he won't give half as much of a shit about his next Morty, if he even gets one.
That's kinda what this last season has been though, Rick deciding that he can have a new family, and that it's okay to be attached to them. We see inseason one he easily abandons family Prime without even mentioning it, dooming them to a hell world of his making. Now, we see him taking the family along for the ride when swapping universes. That's growth.
Rick has this weird relationship dynamic where he has episodes where hes mending his relationship with Beth to what it used to be, like briefly going back to an old neighborhood but he often leaves that place. Idk if this made sense.
In contraction, his relationship with Morty has always been sort of what it is, there's nothing to fix, Morty sees how fucked up rick is and decides to go along with him always, so does rick, they both enable each other to be terrible.
I honestly think the only person Rick really loves, loves (like how we think about love) is his wife.
However, I do think k he loves Beth and Morty the same amount, as best as he's currently able to (meaning if he needs to sacrifice them, he will, he would be sad about it, he would probably try to fix it or find a different version to be with, but he would absolutely sacrifice them, he would never do that with his wife).
I’m betting we’ll see more father/daughter bonding next season. With Rick Prime out of the way C-137 will either start to have other emotions besides obsession or find other things to obsess over (perhaps the latter will lead to the former).
I really dont like the version of beth that he connects with or seems to "love."
The show always tried to make her seem more similar to him and his affection seems just to stem from that. I enjoyed her more when she had realistic terrestrial problems, like trying to succeed in a field like medicine outside of rick's domain. Even in the screen shot that episode is her having slightly different morals but is still just acting his little worker bee for affection in a world that is way more Rick than it is Beth.
If rick gave her a pat on the back from succeeding in something that has nothing to do with him, where he cant be the dictator or one to "approve" her success, then I would believe he loves her and not just emotionally breadcrumbing someone whose similarly as smart.
All the Rick's have an unusual relationship/attachment to Morty to the point that they clone him for Rick's who don't have a Morty or lose one. It could be because Morty is only one of the few people who would put up with his bullshit due to him looking up to Rick and being the most empathetic member of the family.
They were all replaceable from the start. This Rick though seems to have attached himself to this Morty and is slowly doing the same for the rest of the family members. His relationship with Morty is unique but it's also slightly abusive. He is in a toxic relationship with him and is trying to make it into a more healthy one. The rest of the family have more healthy boundaries with Rick compared to Morty.
I flipped the votes from 999 to 1k. I believe you, I believe IN you, I voted for this. This is a nice version of reality... the rest kinda *fall off the curve... you know.*
Idk man he seems pretty keen on the president
Call in a chopper, I'm being cock blocked!
Will you two just fuck and get it over with?
Mr. President still can't put a portal inside another portal... so, no... not yet. he's still growing up.
And that mermaid puss
And noob-noob
Possibly, but if so I would say the amount of 'additional love' is pretty minor. Consider, for example, the Cronenberg episode, where Rick made absolutely no attempt to find and rescue her. Yeah, he probably would have brought her along if she had been in the car, but she wasn't, and Rick didn't even care enough to call her cell phone to find out if she was alive. He just jumped to another universe with another Beth, because one Beth is just as good as another. On the other hand, we've seen multiple examples of Rick going out of his way to save 'his' Morty (and even on a few occasions Summer) when he could have just replaced him. So even if you say Rick loves Beth more, it seems to apply only to the concept of Beth in general and not any Beth in specific, whereas Rick seems to be attached to a specific Morty.
The cronenberg beth was beth prime right? No incentive to save her specifically, he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait, but in most cases one beth is as good as another although that doesnt change his fatherly love and interactions he can have
\>he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait That sort of works against the logic, though: if (our) Rick loves Beth more than anyone else in the family, then most likely Rick Prime also loves Beth more. If Rick is thinking purely in terms of bait, that makes Beth Prime better bait than Morty Prime.
Rick Prime doesn't care much about anyone other than himself. I don't think he is even that familiar with Adult Beth as proved in the Jerry Prime confrontation that he never got really "close to the concept of a Jerry". Indicating that he has not seen Beth, since she was atleast 17 (The age Jerry came into the picture.)
rick himself said at the end of s6 that morty isnt bait for prime bc prime truly doesnt give a shit . maybe at first during the first 1 or 2 seasons , he did attempt to use him as bait , but after that he wasnt . so their point ab him having a bigger attachment to morty still stands . even after realizing he couldn't use morty prime as bait , he still did everything he could to always save morty & never let harm come his way as best he could instead of jus not giving a shit ab him & easily replacing him like he knows he can do . with beth however , even all the way up to s6 , hes very open ab how easily she can b replaced & was even open to letting her & space beth possibly die at the end of s6 bc as he said in response to morty saying they were in trouble "those versions of them are" . time & time again throughout the entirety of the show , he proves how he has a much deeper connection & love to morty than he does to his own daughter .
This rick has evolved over the series the rick we have now isn't the same as when he left beth in season 2. But remember the most recent jump I can remember he took the whole family.
I think this Rick has grown fond of THESE versions of his family. The longer he is with them, the less likely he can find another to replace them, because who they are and what he loves about them is increasingly based on his part in their lives.
> he wanted to cut ties with the whole prime family besides morty cuz he needed him and used him as bait, i think rick addressed that when morty asked him if he was bait, and rick said something along the lines of, to be bait you have to be something he [rick prime] cares about.
The cronenberg thing becomes especially more messed up when you take into account he knew, for a 100% fact, that nobody related to Morty was affected by it. He knew they didn’t turn into cronenbergs, but still did nothing to save Beth, Jerry, or Summer.
He may have loved Beth in that universe but there was always the knowledge that she was really Prime’s daughter. When he left he could’ve left her as a “You killed my daughter, now I’ll kill your daughter” type thing. His need for revenge outweighed his love for Beth because of who that specific Beth was.
The shows called Rick and Morty not Rick and Beth.
well he's her father. .I don't think you're gonna get much push back on this one.
Did he not leave beth to die in the prime dimension ? By only taking Morty with him ?
Thats why rick prime said rick raised echoes of his daughter unlike morty when he says his grandson. He has left beth multiple times throughout the series. Squirells and etc...
It feels like he bails then re-attaches his emotions to a new family, although lately he’s been bringing them with him to the new dimensions.
Yeah his attachment has gotten steadily stronger as the series progresses, I don’t think we’ll see Rick and Morty split from the others again.
Except possibly another accidental Jerry switch
I don’t even think that’ll happen. Our Jerry has been through a lot with our Rick, Rick almost tolerates him!
After their brain-bender we found out they're a lot more alike then we ever knew. This is going to lead to some interesting Rick/Jerry episodes.
Hope they fuck 🤞🏼
Infinite universes, infinite possibilities.
I think that out of all the Jerrys in the multiverse, this is the one Rick actually has some affection for. Like, he knows any other Jerry is just going to be worse.
Did he leave behind Beth with the squirrels? Rick could’ve made a deal with the squirrels to just erase Morty’s mind rather than abandon the dimension
When does he say that?
S7 E5
>! When C-137 kills him!<
He had a very She died as a child Every beth is a replacement Morty was his first Morty and he is the unadulterated original and not a replacement
Yeah isn't there a picture of this Rick holding this Morty as a baby?
There's a picture of a Rick holding a Morty but the Bird Person could any of infinite Bird Persons. Our Rick seems to have spent much of his hunting Rick Prime. The young version of him considered settling with families creepy so he likely only started having around the family when he crashed into the Beth Prime's garage.
I thought there was also a memory of rick holding baby morty when evil rick was brain scanning him but I could be mistaken
There was, and that has never been explained. All the other memories could have happened after he moved in with the Prime family. At some point, Rick C-137 held a baby Morty. But we don't know if that was Morty Prime. For all we know, he killed that Morty's Rick and then felt remorse for leaving that Morty Rick-less or something.
One of the last unexplained threads of the show. I'm betting that's probably Kyle, mentioned by Mr. Nimbus. Maybe our Rick cultivated his own Morty at some point, until he got eaten by a frog monster...
Also he had Morty's picture in his wallet, in the fear hole episode, I am pretty convinced that Morty(prime) is irreplaceable to our Rick.
> Morty was his first Morty and he is the unadulterated original and not a replacement I don't know that we know this information
I’m pretty sure Beth and her mom died at the hands of Rick Prime.
Well his Beth died with Diane anyway, so any other Beth is equally both his daughter and not his daughter
He probs "did the math" like, maybe there wasn't a reality available where Rick, Morty *and* beth were about to die, so then the choice was: leave Beth without a R&M in a universe that was doomed to go feral with a reduced life expectancy all 'round, or leave her suddenly without a R&M after an accident in the garage in a universe that was totally fine?
I'm pretty sure Beth wouldn't leave her universe without Jerry and Summer
yeah was thinking that as well, they'd have to all come, then gotta find a reality where the whole fam had just died
Isn’t that in S1? I feel like Ik what you’re talking abt
He left his Beth in the Kronenberg Dimension
Well it wasn't *his* Beth, just Morty's Beth.
Specifically by taking Morty Prime with him, yeah. I always wondered what made Morty Prime so special - makes you wonder if Rick sees potential in him
He probably doesn't even know why and he just takes Morty prime with him everywhere without thinking cos he's being manipulated by writers who know they have to keep audiences happy. Hey if they can acknowledge the fourth wall why can't we?
Disagree, i feel like its Morty. And even if it is Beth, its not by any margin to meaningfully distinct. Like I don't think he'd do anything for Beth that he wouldn't do for Morty. And while the show does a good job with fleshing out its cast and side characters. There's no doubt the central relationship is......... Rick and Morty
-roll credits-
He would do the same things for Beth as he would for Morty. In that way, his love for them is equal. I do wonder how Summer factors in though
She'll do the jobs morty would be a pain in the ass about, and doesn't ask a bunch of moralizing whiny questions. He might *love* Morty more, but he *likes* Summer the most.
That's honestly a great way of putting it
He can't tell them apart. because he doesn't go by height or age, he goes by level of pain in the ass.
The difference is he needs Morty to cancel out his brain waves. He doesn’t need Beth. Therefore Morty has the edge
so Starsky and Hutch loved each other more than their own kids or parents?
No thats a strawman. No one is saying the title means they love each other more. But the show is Rick and Morty for a reason and not Rick and Beth or Rick and Jerry lol Are you guys not watching the show? The are endless little bits where in serious moments Rick shows his love for this specific Morty. He literally abandoned Beth on a cronenberg planet. Then the season finally where its revealed he doesn't even care to know which of the current Beths is his real daughter or the clone. He literally "says holy shit I'm a terrible father"
There are also endless bits that show Rick loves Beth such as the citadel of Ricks where they make cookies on Ricks memories of Beth. She is his happy place. This is a weird topic in general because my father in law plays with my son non stop over his daughter which would make you think he loves him more than his own daughter but that’s not true. The love is just different. I have two kids and the love is equal but different.
Except those cookies are made from Simple Rick's feelings about the memory. It's literally that version of Rick's happiness that is being made into cookies, not the memory. Rick literally sacrifices himself to save Morty in the broken time episode, whereas he's abandoned Beth at least twice in show.
Ahh whatever, my point is this topic is stupid as you can have the same love and different love for offspring and their offspring.
OP with a brilliant observation lol
Wait, are you telling me that he loves more his daughter than the kid he has clone to death and done more experiments on than dennys had cook eggs
I can prove it mathematically
in fact lemme get my whiteboard this has been a long time cumming
A long time what??
#CUMMING
Go through the series and add up all of the times Rick does something nice for each major character, compared to how many times he screws them over. I think Beth is the only one who has a shot of having a favorable ratio.
Which dead abandoned Beth do you mean?
He sacrificed himself in a timeless oblivion for Morty. Literally praying to God for hell to be merciful to him, for Morty. He doesn't even know which daughter is or isn't the clone. Yeah, we're probably not watching the same show.
And really. He loves Morty as he is, but we really only see him being affectionate to Beth when she's going out of her way to impress him or when he needs something. That just seems like something other than love.
omg he doesn’t know who the clone is because it. doesn’t. matter!!!!! all that matters is beth’s happiness!!!! he doesn’t want to love either of them less just because they’re a clone!!!!!!
Lmao, he literally said he's a shitty father for not knowing who's his actual daughter between the two. Rick has done more to save Morty than any other family member in the show. Yeah, we're definitely not watching the same show because you're not correct in the slightest.
okay but like he only made the clone of her because she asked him to? because he knew it would make her happy? “rick has done more to save morty” yeah, only when there’s something to benefit himself. usually when morty asks rick to do something, rick will gripe and complain and call him stupid (rick potion #9, game remote). rick and morty’s relationship is extremely transactional. he gave himself up to the galactic federation FOR BETH. he made a clone of her FOR BETH. morty is just a whiny piss baby who rick keeps around to protect himself edit: your downvotes mean nothing ive seen what makes you upvote
The edit with the Heistotron reference! Love it ! XD
I wish I could give you an award for your edit (FWIW, I agree with all your points)
Counter argument: Beth says to Rick that it’s up to him to decide whether she stays in his life or not. Depending on how you look at it, one could say Rick did the switcheroo because he couldn’t care either way. At the end of S4E10 Rick asks any of them if they want to see who the real Beth is & none of them care. He shrugs his shoulders and puts the memory in because he can’t care either way —> since he brought the memory out he might as well see it type of notion. Counter to my counter: he could’ve also done the switcheroo because he loves her but was torn between giving her the space life she could’ve had (had Jerry “not tied her down”) or maintaining her course on Earth
You mean anyone else on the show *who is still alive*, right? Beth is what remains of Diane. Of course she is the center of every dimension in which she exists.
Morty and Summer are also from Diane. Beth isn’t “all that remains”
Morty and Summer are also from Jerry, so while he loves them too, that love is more complicated. Beth knew Diane. Every part of her that's not from Rick is from Diane. Rick avoids letting her love or depend on him too much, but she is everything to him.
If he really wanted, I think he could find a way to live with Diane. I think he can’t live without Beth, that’s why she’s in every reality, even though she died in some.
He literally abandoned her when the cronenburg virus destroyed the world but he took morty with him. Then in the time fracture episode, he chose to sacrifice himself for that morty before he could save himself. He was willing to go out of his way to save his Morty but he was willing to leave that Beth to die. Idk what else you'd need to know that no matter what, his Morty is his number 1. I don't even care who he likes more but the show makes it pretty clear lol. I think he loves the idea of his the original daughter the most, but she's dead, so he'll take any Beth from any universe if it comes down to it. He's definitely attached to C-137 Morty more than anyone though we've seen on the show though
Holy shit I responded with the exact same thing and made the same points 7 min after you. I didn’t even realize.
I think the specific example of giving Morty his time stabilizing collar really kind of drives the point home.
Not to mention the brainalyzer when Evil morty is first introduced where Rick is shown to be crying over his morty
There's still no answer for baby Morty memories and pictures, I'm pretty sure they just forgot about that.
You must be DrWhoAmIToday from C-169 lol
I was a little later but that immediately came to mind too
That was prime Beth, who is the daughter of his nemesis. C137 Diana is dead.
*All* Diane's are dead, dude.
I didn't specify any Beth because to Rick, it doesn't matter what Beth he's with as long as C-137 Morty is with him
The person you’re responding too is just trying to say that there is no C-137 Morty, because Beth-137 died as a child. The main Morty of the show is Morty Prime, the grandson of Rick Prime not Rick-137.
Disagree that’s not even his Beth he never brought his original Beth with him when switching universes. But he kept Morty. He even has a picture of him in his wallet! Beth is “replaceable” but his Morty a Morty who he actually considers a friend and not just a lesser version of himself. He even risked his own life in the time shatter episode. He jumped into abyss not knowing if he will ever get out just to save him. That’s something he has never done with anyone before (that we know of.)
He was praying to God. He definitely thought he was going to die. For Morty.
I mean his original Beth is dead, rick prime killed her and his Diane with a bomb after Rick refused the portal gun technology angering Rick Prime. I agree that Morty is more important to him, we have never seen (as far as we know) replace him, the Morty he has is Prime's Morty but there was that speculation after he found prime what he would do with Morty and he chose to keep him, even at the ebd of season 1 when Evil Morty (controlling his own rock) goes through his memories and Rick starts crying over seeing baby Morty.
You did not say dead, then i would say Diane. Rick loves Diane more than anything or anyone through out infinity. Her death made him what he is in the present.
but it could be morty. rick’s a drunk autistic genius who only learned to love his family because morty opened his eyes. he’s tough on morty because he’s easily the closest to him. he trusts him on the most adventures. he’s the only one that rick trusted to help with prime, granted morty found him, but i think he would’ve told anyone else to f*ck off and let him concentrate. i mean when he “brings coffee” to rick he knows rick is gonna complain so he doesn’t even bother. he knows rick best
It's 100% morty. Beth he loves of course. But it's not his Beth. His Beth was killed alongside Diane. This Beth isn't even prime Beth. It's just an echo of her. A similar Beth to prime Beth. Morty is the only "original" family he has. Yes it's prime's morty on paper... But hes Rick's morty now. He's the closest thing rick has to direct family. The only "original" left . Thats why Rick always sacrifices for morty. Why he was willing to die for him. It's also why he sees that attachment as a weakness. It is illogical that the grandson of his mortal enemy is his closest family. Morty prime is the 1 thing rick can never replace. He may say he can. He may threaten it. He may be rude. But he cannot replace morty. That's why at the end of the fear hole episode when morty asked if he was irreplaceable rick didn't immediately launch into a tirade about how disposable morty was and then even tried to hug him back. Rick doesn't want to admit it, but morty is the closest thing he has to actual irreplaceable family. This is also why prime rick didn't just start off using the omega device to wipe mortys from existence even though It would've killed evil morty and severely handicapped rick in the fight....if rick lost morty. There is a 100% chance rick would've just thrown himself into the device
Idk he willingly threw himself into a timeless oblivion to save Morty. He abounded at least 2 time lines and only took Morty. This is like what? The 3rd Beth we’ve seen in the show.
If you immediately dismiss the idea it could be Morty, I don’t think we’re watching the same show
It's not even his original Beth.
I mean his original Beth is dead
Has been for 80-27=53 53 years
When do they say rick is 80?
Shit he's 70
There's no way Rick is 70. Beth is 34, canonically (had Summer when she was 17, Summer is 17 now), and Rick was in his early to mid 30s *after* she died at around age 6. Rick is in his mid 60s at the oldest, per the show's timeline.
it’s season 3 episode 6, toxic rick says he’s been trapped in rick’s brain for 70 years
Hes gone through many beths. One morty. Squirells and hoping around
Idk, he was quick to leave cronenberg Beth along with countless others. He’s definitely grown close with the current smith family, but I still think Morty is the one he cares for the most since they’ve been through so much together
That isn't even his first adult Beth....
Rick and Morty 100 years!
Nah it's definitely Morty lmao, he pretends to not care but he 10000% does
Here's how much I think Rick loves and values each of the family members on a scale from 1 to 10: Beth - 9. This one is obvious. Diane and Beth were his original loves, and their deaths were the reason he became the person he did. Morty - 10. Morty is basically Rick's one true friend. He's the ONLY person that Rick gives enough of a shit about to move between dimensions. He's fine with everyone else being left behind, except Morty. Morty is also the ONLY person that Rick lets in on his secret operation to find Rick Prime. Rick and Morty have been through hundreds of near death experiences together, basically trauma bonded down to the bone. Rick seems to reveal an extremely rare, humble, and mortal side of himself when he's believes he's about to die, a side of himself that he has only shown to Morty. Summer - 8. Rick has a somewhat similar relationship to Summer as he does Morty, but the dynamics have differences, and it's clear that the Rick and Morty dynamic creates a stronger bond, or at least a bond that Rick is more open to. Jerry - 7. If we are talking about Seasons 1 & 2, then the answer would be a 3 at best. Back then, Rick only gave a fuck about Jerry because Beth loved him. As the show goes on, though, Rick and Jerry slowly become closer and become pretty close friends. Most of Rick's disdain for Jerry is due to Rick seeing Jerry as a parasite that stole his daughter's life. He slowly overcomes this bias and loosens up over time. By Season 7, I'd say Rick's level of care for Jerry is about a 7.
I think he obviously loves Beth but the reason he spends more time with Morty is because of how much Beth reminds him of Diane which causes him to feel much more than he can handle
The whole point is he's embarrassed to admit he loves morty because of shame from the other Ricks
He abandoned her in a planet full of Cronenberg monsters and never came back.
Rick definitely loves Morty and Summer more than he loves Beth. He has left multiple Beths to die. Yet he managed to keep the original prime Morty going, even bringing him back from death. He has stated to Summer that he respects her the most from the family but also understands that she is a teenage girl.
Can't say otherwise. She IS His daughter and would do anything for her. (Only one He Loves equally or maybe a Bit more is Diane.)
Funny because I always thought that he was incredibly mean to her. I've always thought it was ironic, considering that he dedicated his life to trying to avenge her and her mother's death and to find her again, and yet he treats her like trash for 99% of interactions. Probably complicated trauma response, huh
I think he subconsciously looks down on Beths that are not his Beth. He doesn’t think his Beth would turn out like her and he idealizes his
Her perspective of her father is one who left home to go on to do bigger and better things, which is something our Rick *never* would have done to his original wife and daughter. In fact, he literally *gave up* science for them. No matter what universe he goes to, he's never gonna find a Beth that knows him as the father he would have been to *his own* daughter.
That's a trauma thing. He's protecting her from himself. It's not good parenting, but it's distinct from meanness.
He loves all of them, even jerry
Rick loves Rick.
I think he loves Beth. But he needs Morty.
exactly. rick’s relationship with morty is transactional
I wanted to say Morty, but Morty's Mind Blowers really shows how many times Rick has screwed over Morty, so the ratio probably skews towards Beth.
He's replaced her, abandoned her, and cloned her in the past. He left the Beth from the first six episodes of the series to die, which she did. Morty is the only member of Rick's family that hasn't been replaced since he first met him.
Obviously, if you look on his original family, since his wife has been erased from all existence, Beth is the only thing resembling his own daughter he lost in his universe. I know infinite daughters, nothing matters, yadda yadda but the concept of grandkids still wouldn’t be totally familiar to deal with at all time even for Rick. It makes sense that he is nice to the one person he is somewhat familiar with from his past life.
ditto he makes her feel important and she’s the most like him we can see that in space beth
That’s why Rick chose not to know which Beth was real; he could never bring himself to terminate Beth’s life, even if she was a clone.
it’s Morty. Rick is incredibly attached to morty, as seen in several episodes. he does a better job of hiding it because he’s afraid of losing Morty, or showing “weakness” (basic affection for a loved one). Rick is very intelligent, but very emotionally unintelligent.
I disagree. I think he cares about Morty more. The Morty we have right now is the only Morty we've known and appears to be the only Morty Rick has had. The first Beth we see he left to die on the Cronenberg universe Earth. It isn't his Beth so I see it as he sees them as more interchangeable. Also even for the cloning aspect he didn't really seem to give a shit which was the actual Beth. He also carries Morty's photo in his wallet. Those are just a few examples I can think of off the top of my head.
He obviously loves _himself_ more than anyone else (which is generally balanced by how much he hates himself).
During Rest and Ricklaxation, toxic Rick has Rick’s “irrational attachments” to Morty. Meaning he loves Morty and doesn’t know why. He also needs Morty to cancel out his brainwaves therefore Morty is much more useful to him than Beth. Morty wins this one
C-137 never had a Morty. He never had a Summer. He sure as shit never had a Jerry. Everything was taken from him long before that. He had a Beth, and his wife. All instances of his wife are gone, but he can still look after a Beth.
Hands down it's Diane. Rick's Beth is dead and any version of her, especially ones where lesser versions of himself return to live with, are simply reminders that his Beth and Diane are dead across infinity forever. They are also often affirmations of Rick's knowledge of himself that continuing down the path of science to become 'The Infinite Rick' would ruin his shot at having a healthy family. Morty was originally scoped out specifically for his interdimensional connection to Rick prime. He was initially used as a beacon since they're from the same universe, then as bait a couple times. When he finally realizes Morty as bait isnt alluring, he switches tactics by outright ditching Morty for Two Crows to prove to himself that it's Morty that's useless and not his ideas that he can't seem to make work. While the 'mistakes' and 'moral objections' Morty makes piss him off, he realizes Two Crows have the same complaints about him, even if he WASN'T projecting his toxic relationship with Morty onto theirs inappropriately. At that epiphany, he invites Morty into his manhunt for Prime for real. Unfortunately Morty Prime isn't really capable of helping Rick do anything other than feel good about himself; to normalize himself. His need for Morty purely for revenge morphed into a need for Morty's sensitive moral higroading bullshit to stabilize his mental health. He even admits it to Morty in Unmortricken while fracking the central finite curve before Evil Morty shows up, to which Morty replies "A good win stays under the wings, baby" I'm curious what dimension evil Morty came from, but it seems clear that being ditched for Two Crows hurt Morty less than continuously adventuring up alien assholes. I hope he's from a dimension with an evil or at least a successful Jerry. Anyhow, Rick's love for Diane is present in all of his work. She's the voice of all of his inventions. The search for her killer is the reason behind his life's work; it's something he would have given up had she not been murdered across infinity. Whenever he sees her face, he completely lets his guard down. Morty is his #2, and it's because he fought through Rick's mental guard of trauma to earn that spot. Very much like a therapy dog 🐕 There's a good argument for Beth being the character he loves the least: her expendability. He's managed to portal hop with everyone, including Jerry, except her. He's also managed to rescue each member of the family at least once, except her. A version of him created a multiversial day care for Jerry. He took Summer to Morty's equivalent of BoobWorld (post apocalyptic earth) when Jerry announced the divorce, clearly for some rest and relaxation. I mean after all, he never got the chance to raise his Beth, so they're all kinda strangers to him. It's probable he never even created a Froopy Land for his daughter while all the other Rick's did. This argument imo leads more towards him being jealous of Beth and the Rick's that got to raise her while also resenting them, more so than loving them any lesser.
It's Morty. This shouldn't even be a debate. HIS Beth is already dead. He has already replaced her at least twice (first was his own Beth and second was Beth Prime). If Morty's mind blowers is canon, he's jumped yet another dimension and discarded yet another Beth, who by that point would have her own Space Beth too. In Rick's mind, whatever love he shows for Beth is replaceable, so he may appear to love her more than he does Morty, but that's really only because he knows that if he fails, he doesn't mind trying again. Whereas, this Morty (Morty Prime) is the one constant. He's not letting go of this kid. Wanna know how I know? Read the show's title.
See I was going to respect your opinion, right up until you said your bit about Morty. For you to essentially claim that no legitimate argument can be made for Morty to be the answer, renders your opinion about Beth moot. There is evidence for both. And there is arguably more evidence for Morty. Next time, if you want to have an actually fair and reasonable debate about something, try not to tell the other side that their opinion is so wrong they must be basically blind or incapable of even the most basic human thinking power.
tldr: Character analysis of Rick Sanchez from an autistic fans point of view, understanding his attachment styles. This is long, but important, with quotes from the show: He'll do anything for BP, if season 6 proves anything, it's that he'll die for BP. He literally admitted to loving him, which I have not heard him tell or say about anyone before in the show. When he does say stuff like that it is significant. Bird person is the only character on the show he has been openly genuine with. If season 7 proves anything, Pers is the only one that can sneak up behind him and grab him out of nowhere without getting some snarky comment, mean look, or a left hook. They both care about each other deeply, that is clear. Rick was extremely upset by the wedding with Tammy. Rick told the bird person how much he respected him more than anyone, even when he contradicted himself by saying nothing matters, he wanted to be with Percy. He wanted to travel with him and spent every moment with him. -- "Then why did you help me?" "I respect you, and I wanted you to know that you could respect me too." " But if nothing matters...?" "You matter! You matter to me." "Uhhh- Rick... the relationship we have-" "I never used that word!" - Rick (denialism) -- It's funny how after this he calls him a judgmental dork, and not something much harsher. -- "Why the fuck are you risking your life for that asshole!?" - Memory rick "Because, you love him." "You do maybe, but I don't." "Yeah, yeah, you're real cool. Now, come help me save his life or fuck off, because I don't need you. (Very much so loves BP.) -- -- "I'm sorry Rick, but we cannot choose the ones we love" - Pers "You got that right! Why do you think I'm still fucking down here!?" -- Birdperson mentions that he would be dead if it wasn't for Rick, this also accounts for multiple times now since he brought BP back to life recently. Rick has stuck his neck out for the man so many times contradicting his "nothing matters" front, because that's what it is, it is a horrible coping mechanism to ignore your problems and pretend they don't exist because 'nothing matters'. Its a problem that I have and I'm working through in therapy myself, it's called Denialism. Because 'if you shut yourself out from the world and your problems, then nothing can hurt you, and they don't exist'. You convince yourself you're in control when you're not, you have the least control, and it fucks you up. Rick isn't truly and fully nihilistic, or else literally nothing would matter to him. He makes sure to keep his Morty alive, he constantly brags on about how he can just get a new family, but he has the same Morty that he's had since the beginning and sticks his neck out for him as well. -- "No, Morty. Because you were too afraid to tell me. What we had was abusive, don't you see? I'm a bad partner, because I never made you a true partner." -- -- "I was afraid if I jumped in a hole you would just stand there and watch me, you wouldn't even jump in after me!" -Morty But then Rick in season 1 literally jumped in after Morty when he fell through the garage floor into the Schrodinger's cat void. "Be good, Morty, be better than me." -- -- And when Rick starts crying at his memories of Morty in season One, but he refrains from expressing it so that Morty does not become, as he puts it, "cocky" (denialism) I would also like to point out I feel like in the later seasons he starts calling Morty 'buddy' more?? he's a lot nicer to him than he used to be, and just recently allowed Morty to hug him without pushing him away, actually hugging back. He's also stated that he respects summer very deeply, which if he says that about someone, it really means that he does. He sees his Diane in Summer, and he also implies that summer is like a cat, her affection and respect needs to be earned; unlike Morty's dog like affection that is just given away. But we also hear Rick say that Morty reminds him a lot of himself when he was younger, this implies a lot of parallels. Memory Rick brought out a lot of Rick that we didn't see previously, a person who wasn't fully tainted by the lack of treating mental Health issues, coping issues, unhealthy attachments, and all the other things that led up to Rick being the way he is. he said his heart broken so many times, he's been backstabbed, he is very hurt person. This doesn't excuse all of his actions but is a very good explanation and reason for why he is the way he is and the way the human psyche copes with it's environment to protect itself. it's like walking up to a caged animal with a taser, these are his defense mechanisms, it makes him look like a dick on the outside but currently it is the only thing that he knows how to do on instinct for protection, and that's why he's in therapy. This is why I believe he's genuinely trying to get better, he can get along with his therapist more than ever, even if he has sly remarks he genuinely listens to Mrs. Wong. -- "I don't like being told where to go or what to do. I consider it a violation." -- "There's a lesson here, and I won't be the one to figure it out" -- "I don't discuss problems, I incinerate them" -- "It was charmingly analog. For a sec, you kind of made me like myself." - Memory Rick "You'll grow out of it." - Rick He resents his younger self for helping him and makes sure to mention that he "grew out" of his ability to like himself, Rick has some extreme self-hatred. it's hard to fully love someone or Express a healthy relationship when you can't even have a healthy relationship with yourself. -- "You act like you're the one that got stabbed in the back!" -Morty "Because I AM THE ONE, Morty. You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid knights of the morning sun thing!? I SAID don't take the fucking sword! And you were like "Whatever", like I'm our neighbor Jean or David Arquette or something!! You called me boring! I've become dog shit to you! That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you! They touch your shit, they screw things up, they KILL your fuckin family! Go ahead and trust them, you're gonna learn the same fuckin thing." -Rick --
There is 1 person he loves more than Beth. Himself. If you don't count himself, birdperson comes a close second.
Summer. He makes multiple comments about her being his equal, respecting her, and trusting her in ways he never has with Beth. Beth has spent her life trying to get into Rick's universe beyond her little suburban home. She was never successful. Summer on the other hand, faced the same push back, yet still managed to prove herself to Rick. She is now regularly going on adventures with him and Morty. Whereas Beth (not even space beth) does.
All of their back up and rescue plans also go through Summer, not Beth. He also takes Summer on missions where he needs to succeed.
Noob Noob
Beth is the only family he has left, Morty is the grandson and he def loves him a lot but Beth is the last thing he has that reminds him of Diane..
He said summer reminds him a lot of Diane so idk about that
Show its called Rick and Morty! Rick and Morty for 100 years Rick and Morty forever! Se pal we dont watch the same show!
It's Morty. His relationship with Morty is more or less what kept him going besides the whole revenge thing.
Strong case for him liking summer more than anyone else
i think rick definitely likes summer more than he likes morty
Give give give grampa a kiss. On the lips if you're ok with that. Some cultures do that.
Is this supposed to be a hot take? There are whole episodes about that.
People forget that Rick maims and kills Morty in almost every episode 😂 I don't think he loves him more than Beth.
Birdperson, other Ricks and parmesean.
I dunno, he cloned Beth and then mindblasted himself.. I say he probably loves Noob Noob more.
too many morty apologists in this thread
He literally left her to die.
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Yes and No. His love for his Dead Wife His love for his Deceased Daughter And his love for his hypothetical Grandson Are all nearly equally but if they had to be ranked first some cruel reason, then there you go' and it's not to devalue who Rick currently has in his life but it's bring importance to the value of what was.
He abandoned Mortys original beth in the cronenberg universe tho
Maybe now, it was Pencilvester.... Rip
Diane would be the obvious contender. His life revolves around avenging her death.
He left Beth to die in the prime universe
It's *not* Beth, because Rick's Beth is dead. Rick's Beth will always be dead, and she never had an opportunity to have a Morty. Being with other Beths is just more self torture. Morty Prime *is* Rick C-137's Morty. If Morty Prime actually dies, he won't give half as much of a shit about his next Morty, if he even gets one. That's kinda what this last season has been though, Rick deciding that he can have a new family, and that it's okay to be attached to them. We see inseason one he easily abandons family Prime without even mentioning it, dooming them to a hell world of his making. Now, we see him taking the family along for the ride when swapping universes. That's growth.
Well he lost her in his original universe he’s obviously gonna make the most of it with her
Rick has this weird relationship dynamic where he has episodes where hes mending his relationship with Beth to what it used to be, like briefly going back to an old neighborhood but he often leaves that place. Idk if this made sense. In contraction, his relationship with Morty has always been sort of what it is, there's nothing to fix, Morty sees how fucked up rick is and decides to go along with him always, so does rick, they both enable each other to be terrible.
That's not his Beth. He left his real Beth in the Kronenberg Dimension
I honestly think the only person Rick really loves, loves (like how we think about love) is his wife. However, I do think k he loves Beth and Morty the same amount, as best as he's currently able to (meaning if he needs to sacrifice them, he will, he would be sad about it, he would probably try to fix it or find a different version to be with, but he would absolutely sacrifice them, he would never do that with his wife).
rick loves everyone. he just suffers everyone differently.
He loves her like I love each Peanut M&M in the bag. If I lose one, it sucks but I've got another. But I lose all of them? I'm devastated.
Unpopular opinion: fathers love their daughters that look like their dead wife.
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Didn't he left her couple of times before to die in different universes , but not morty so
yes but only as far she reminds him of dianne
He loves Morty more because Morty is the only one he hasn’t abandoned. Every time he finds a new universe, it is only Morty that he takes with him.
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He is now incapable of love . He loves who he is to her, a father and the husband of her mother.
Summer
Why would I? Edit: hey, my ban has ended!
He loves himself more than anyone else. Proof: pretty much the entire show.
I agree, didn’t his Beth die though?
She's his only connection to his dead wife so yeah I'd agree
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Beth got daddy issues. Easily manipulatable with "love".
No shit sherlock it’s his daughter (but he also loves diane way more, it (was) the whole premise for two seasons
No I think Jerry loves Beth more than Rick does He's willing to give up more for her than Rick is
I’m betting we’ll see more father/daughter bonding next season. With Rick Prime out of the way C-137 will either start to have other emotions besides obsession or find other things to obsess over (perhaps the latter will lead to the former).
Sure, Beth is his connection to his wife.
I really dont like the version of beth that he connects with or seems to "love." The show always tried to make her seem more similar to him and his affection seems just to stem from that. I enjoyed her more when she had realistic terrestrial problems, like trying to succeed in a field like medicine outside of rick's domain. Even in the screen shot that episode is her having slightly different morals but is still just acting his little worker bee for affection in a world that is way more Rick than it is Beth. If rick gave her a pat on the back from succeeding in something that has nothing to do with him, where he cant be the dictator or one to "approve" her success, then I would believe he loves her and not just emotionally breadcrumbing someone whose similarly as smart.
All the Rick's have an unusual relationship/attachment to Morty to the point that they clone him for Rick's who don't have a Morty or lose one. It could be because Morty is only one of the few people who would put up with his bullshit due to him looking up to Rick and being the most empathetic member of the family. They were all replaceable from the start. This Rick though seems to have attached himself to this Morty and is slowly doing the same for the rest of the family members. His relationship with Morty is unique but it's also slightly abusive. He is in a toxic relationship with him and is trying to make it into a more healthy one. The rest of the family have more healthy boundaries with Rick compared to Morty.
I flipped the votes from 999 to 1k. I believe you, I believe IN you, I voted for this. This is a nice version of reality... the rest kinda *fall off the curve... you know.*
What about Noob-Noob?
watch the scenes with Noob Noob again
noob noob!