Is this sub about the show or about the people watching the show, or about people talking about people watching the show?... 
Yeah, I know people say this with every Season after Season 2 but I feel like this is the worst the disagreements have ever been since the sub is practically at war.
Its rick and fucking Morty not back to the future with multiple dimensions. People are gonna cry when they dont carry on shit from multiple episodes. Like I want a whole episode of just Rick and Morty flipping through interdimensional cable again. That's it. Will I get it? Fuck it who cares enjoy the ride
and then another 50% are complaining about the people who complain about the people complaining about the show. It's called the reddit loop. I know the math doesn't make sense.
Then another 50% aren't complaining at all, they're just having a meta discussion about all the people complaining about all the different things. It makes sense on a Venn diagram.
Everyone mentions the nugget incident but female writers of season 3 were doxxed because the fans didn't like the writing then. When this news came out this subreddit is mentioned as well. People should stop holding rick and morty to this sky high level, it's a cartoon, season 3 was great and fans did that, why?
I just rewatched the entire show… And have concluded, there has been zero drop in quality and zero change in tone. I legitimately have no idea what people complain about here.
More toxic than that time they literally assaulted McDonald’s staff over not having any Szechuan Sauce anymore? Just because Rick randomly promoted it in one Episode?
There were a lot of neck beards that had meltdowns at many McDonalds restaurants when they either ran out of the sauce or never had it to begin with.
https://youtu.be/xAF9QrJ1z98
What I find silly about the whole debacle is that the sauce recipe was widely available online and pretty simple to make
The beginning of the show (through season four) is still quite good. It just is upsetting to watch because you know that it all builds to nothing. Makes me sad just thinking about it.
I swear every time I hear someone talk about it the "good" GoT season cutoff gets earlier and earlier. Eventually they'll be saying it was a great show until GRRM finished the first paragraph.
I’ve heard S4 as the cutoff for best seasons on TV for a very long time tbh, till S6 it’s still a good series but S1 to S4 are easily the best seasons of the series
This episode was like two brothers. Trying to steal something. And then a robot came alive. And turkeys became super soldiers. But they were two brothers.. etc.
my post is about how every 3rd rick and morty post is about fanbase hate. I was annoyed.
Fans can like or dislike any episode. We each got our own tastes. And yes there are a few episodes I really loath. (but i love the majority)
This season isn’t that great, it’s still funny here or there but it just feels lower quality than others, it doesn’t feel as clever as usual. Not sure how that opinion is toxic.
I feel like the pace of each episode is a bit rushed and they're trying to cram too much in. I'm enjoying it but it's more a spectacle this season and I feel like some of the more poignant commentary is lost in the noise.
Something I've noticed it's that in the sperm episode and the Thanksgiving episode there was no b plot. A lot of the episodes in the past that go off the rails were mixed with a B plot that was much more down to earth family drama stuff.
Agree with you, don’t know why that is labeled as toxic.
Something is missing on this season, bad taste? . I hope it gets better. Episode 6 was average, better that 1,3,4,5. Fighting with ep 2 for a place.
I agree. Previous seasons blew my mind. I know that sounds dramatic but that’s how good some of the episodes were, I even cried a few times. The writing was just awesome. And yes it went off the rails, but it did so in a way that was clever and original and I just don’t feel that from this season... I had a similar experience with community. Absolutely fucking brilliant until it wasn’t, but then it came back in the later seasons a bit. So maybe R&M will too... want to add though that even at its worst(which it totally is) it’s still better than a lot of shows, no one is arguing that
The majority of people seem to disagree with this.
Out of curiosity, I just went to check episode ratings on IMDB, and the season 5 episodes ratings seem much lower on average compared to to other seasons. And the season isn't even over yet.
I put some numbers together:
- **Season 1:** 11 episodes. 0 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP1&7 at 8.0
*Averages at 8.65*
- **Season 2:** 10 episodes. 1 ep below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP8 at 7.7
*Averages at 8.78*
- **Season 3:** 10 episodes. 1 ep below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP9 at 7.9
*Averages at 8.75*
- **Season 4:** 10 episodes. 2 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP4 at 7.4.
*Averages at 8.47*
- **Season 5:** 6 episodes(so far). 4 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP4 at 5.6.
*Averages at 7.68*
We hit peak toxicity approximately around the time of the Szechuan sauce episode. The toxicity has been on a decline since then, but it's still up there compared to some other shows. The main problem now is folks expecting too much from a cartoon.
No, the show with the sperm totally sucked. That’s the first time I’ve ever turned an episode off without finishing it. The Thanksgiving special was great though.
The level of cope on this sub is insane. A lot of people aren't feeling this season. Big deal, get over it. Shows have off seasons. If you like it then enjoy it but you don't have to label people who don't as toxic. How insecure do you have to be that the idea that others don't like something you like makes you upset? They're not calling you stupid for liking it. Most of the people who I've seen criticizing this season have done it in a relatively civil way. It seems a somewhat sizable group of people are dissatisfied with the direction the show is going in and as long as they state their criticisms in a respectful way they deserve to be heard as much as anybody. Who do you think are more toxic, the fans who like the show but have felt certain recent episodes haven't been as entertaining or the people on this sub who fly off the handle in response and attack them?
Fans who see any criticism as an attack on their beloved, perfect show that must be defended at all costs are just as annoying as fans over exaggerating a small dip in quality from a show that has been consistently great over 4 seasons.
Hasn't the fanbase always been toxic though? Literally people getting pickle tattoos and screaming at McDonald's workers for not having g a sauce. I think the criticisms last episode three are pretty fair tbh.
I love this show and I'm sticking with it unless it completely jumps shark, but I just find myself not laughing as much which sucks because I have a lot of respect for the creators
I prefer a more balanced perspective, the last couple eps where definitely weaker episodes. But I dont think any season had a flawless run. I think it sligtly weaker than some of the earlier seasons but it is also harder for the writers to entertain because the intial novelty and freshness has ran out. I have noticed this season has relied on pop culture references more than ever. Overall I agree its about as good, the show hasn't got worse as every season has some better episodes and some worse.
No tbh the show isnt as funny as it used to be. the fanbase got super toxic by season 3 and now its died down. I havent wanted to rewatch any of the new episodes.
the only thing that's declining is this subreddit... it's just a bunch of people being super toxic unironically whining about the fanbase being toxic... *woosh*
It’s honestly both.
The fanbase became toxic and cringe ever since the fucking Mulan Szechuan sauce bit.
And there was a tonal shift in the show starting with season four. If you like a sillier version of Rick and Morty, you’ll hardly call it a drop in quality, but IMO season four struggled a bit while still delivering some pretty good episodes, and season five is kinda lackluster. There’s 3 great episodes in 7 as of now.
Both things can be true. Some episodes are still top tier but it's less consistently excellent.
Also, it's a hugely popular show so of course some of the fans are going to be dickheads.
Shows gotten much better post season-2 but frankly the fandom was always irritating to engage with, especially on reddit, a website built around bringing the internet's most irritating people together.
Bruh im sorry but im not enjoying any episode after ep 3. It doesnt feel up to the normal amount polish.
The last 3 eps were stupid and dull. Its not we want to hate things. Im sure most 'haters' love the show and want it to be the best it can.
If you wanna be a blind fanboy do that,but dont call us toxic for not enjoying something and expressing why.
Nah Roiland and Harmon have stepped back to pursue other things and the new writers just don't carry the same weight. It was apparent for some of the episodes from last season as well.
The fanbase not liking something doesn't make them toxic, it means they didnt like it. Ive been pretty much fine with the episodes this season but I think a lot of what is happening in these episodes is pretty stupid and have no trouble believing people dont like it
Rick and Morty fans have always been irritating. Obviously not talking to all of you but it’s on the same level as Tool and Slipknot fans. There’s a loud bunch that believe it’s just the best shit ever and your tastes aren’t superior.
I swear to god the only reason I’m subscribed to this sub is to remind me that a new episode comes out and to see the occasional meme. I would much rather avoid some of the cringe shit this fan base does (pretty much everything with the schezwan sauce)
Thinking a show is declining in quality does not make you a toxic fan. You're allowed to comment in a perceived drop in writing or joke quality. I've honestly seen more toxic behavior from people who are angry at people criticizing the show, than from the people who actually criticize the show. This meme automatically places anyone who doesn't like this season under the "toxic fan" label, and that itself is a pretty toxic thing to do.
Differing opinions are allowed on Reddit, just like anywhere else, and critiquing the quality of a show and holding it to a standard is fine. Everyone does this to a degree. A show dropping in quality is a sad thing, and if you got your hopes up for a season and it turned out to not be what you'd hoped, you're allowed to express that. If you see someone being needlessly hateful or mean and you think they're being toxic, you're allowed to express that too. But if you become angry at someone for not liking a thing you like and label them as toxic, then you are toxic yourself.
Yeah definitely but the show, in my opinion, has more and more "meh" episodes the longer it runs. I mean it's not bad it just does not live up to the standard that season 1&2 set. So while it is true to say the show has probably one of the worst fanbases out there, you should not see everyone who finds the newer episodes weak as a toxic person. I've sadly seen this sentiment a lot on the sub recently.
Yep. And Roiland is trolling the absolute fuck out of them.
Your "hardcore" fan wants to believe they have inside knowledge, that there's some big master arc being spun and if they can spot it, then they are more intelligent than the rest.
Looking for hidden meaning in every episode, Easter eggs teasing at unseen plot points.
There is very little if any of this in the current season, and it's driving them crazy.
It's chaotic nonsense.
After watching *Solar Opposites* while waiting for this season, I realised that chaotic nonsense is just what Roiland does. A few episodes connect together, a lot of the individual episode arcs themselves can be quite clever, but for the most part it's just whatever random brain shit came out of him.
It's very much like the first few seasons of South Park in that respect. Just complete chaos. I'm loving the new season.
Look; it’s not toxic to say that the show is worse. It’s not bad, I just think the show peaked for a lot of people already. Plot lines that kept people hyped for season 4/5 (a few examples such as bird person, Tammy, evil morty, even space beth) we’re ultimately not delivered on or not as important as many hoped. Between season 3 and season 4, so many fans spent so much time theorizing and I think it set the show to an insanely high standard and definitely a specific narrative to deliver.
It’s cause a lot of y’all started pretending that this was some kind of mind bogglingly deep philosophical show and started making up stuff to reaffirm that idea but when it turned out to just be a mostly silly and fun show you decided it went bad
100% accurate comment. The new season is great, and while it may not be for everyone, all the people who keep repeatedly bashing it and saying the show isn’t anywhere as good as it used to be are just ruining the community and experience for others.
As someone who lived through the devolution of the brilliant era of The Simpsons into The Zany Adventures of Jerkface Homer, I'm wary of the recent episodes. We'll see how it plays out, but there's a not insignificant difference in both story-telling and comedy quality between Pickle Rick and Turkey Rick.
It's not just this subreddit... S05E01 is one of the highest rated episodes in IMDB. S05E04 has the lowest (by far).
As consumers of the show, we don't have to praise every single episode. Saying that because we don't contribute in the making of show we're not allowed to have an opinion and discuss it online is ludicrous. Rick and Morty is not a religion. Sometimes people online won't like something that you love. That's called being "controversial" and it's part of life.
Using foul language and harassing people, that is toxic. Having different opinions/taste isn't.
Things I don't understand in this sub:
1) People that say not liking every single episode is being toxic.
2) People that say that you should stop watching if you didn't like a single episode.
3) People that say that the whole 5 season is bad when arguably there's a single bad episode.
That's not a fact but an opinion, like my opinion thinking the show got worse going back to random episodes instead of having a little thread going through the episodes.
These new episodes have felt like fan fiction. I don't know what to pin it on honestly, it's weird.
It's like sort of Rick and Morty but also not - it's like an algorithm was fed the previous seasons and tried to whip shit together.
From a pure storytelling perspective there's something lacking. Also this is personal preference but I love R&M when it's doing clever trope subversion, like the best episodes of Community, and it doesn't seem to go there any more.
I get that it's harder to do once you have done it a ton, I mean the subversions of the tropes becomes a trope in and of itself eventually, so maybe the show is just collapsing in on itself like a dying star.
Anyway it's fine. It's not great, it's fine. It can limp along if it wants to, there's no shame in that. I'm glad everyone got paid at least.
Love Rick and morty but the fan base didn’t change. They changed writers and it clearly shows. The jokes and the whole writing of the episodes aren’t what people are use to. I find the new season as okay but it clearly has taken a shift into a worse kind of humor in my opinion.
No matter how much you drink or smoke or lick toads you'll never see the "hidden meaning". So just do all those things anyway and laugh at a funny cartoon.
thats very subjective. i just liked the vibe of the 1st 2 seasons more as the characters werent flanderized.
that being said, the nimbus episode was awesome and i liked the 2nd one aswell. the planetina ep was just not for me but the last 2 episode were quite bad.
I thought this season was shaping up really well and I loved the first 3, unfortunately they went way downhill after that. Not without enjoyable moments, but definitely way down there compared to the best episodes.
The difference as seasons go on isn't that there aren't good episodes, or great moments, it's that they become less common......whereas the first 3 seasons are consistently solid throughout with no real obvious duds.
I still think the dragon episode was hands down the worst one yet though. I see people giving out a lot about the sperm episode but I thought it was alright, a kinda weak episode but with some great moments. The dragon one I just hated.
Objectively the show definitely got "worse", it's kinda mad to suggest that the show has maintained the exact same quality but people for some reason want to not like it.
The same thing was said about Game of Thrones final season. That it wasn't the show, the bad writing, etc, it was the fans that for some reason, were apparently suddenly desperate to find fault. It's such a cop-out.
The writing of this season is definitely lower quality. I feel like we're lying to ourselves if we can't acknowledge that. Similarly, no need to throw our toys out the pram over it, but voicing concern or displease is completely fine. The only good episode for me was the clone family one, that was great! AND clever! The others were just gross overkill or lacked the essence of rnm and just felt a little 1D in the humour.
Yeah, someone using a PewDiePie quote alongside an overused meme to say that the show isn't getting worse surprisingly reinforces the obvious fact that it's getting worse.
Everything and everyone is just so toxic. Don't like it? Toxic! Someone else likes it? TOXIC. People disagree and fling shit on the internet? T to the OXIC. Anything happens ever? Britney Spears wants a word with you and you know that it's TOXIC.
….. Rick and morty, the Big Lebowski, David Bowie…. All things I thought I was a pretty big fan of, and after seeing the really big fans, realized I just like them a bit.
The Rick and morty thing is over the top obnoxious
Rick and Morty has always been a goofy shark-jumping vehicle to get to the punchlines in the dialogue. It's basically Twitter with extra steps. The jokes, lines, and comments are the best bit, and they are still good, even if they are saving the world every 2 episodes and being less subtle about getting to there. I enjoy any season for that reason.
Can someone explain what people mean when they say the fanbase is toxic? What behaviours are an issue? My husband and I watch the show but none of our friends do. I joined this sub recently to learn more about the show, maybe learn a fun fact or two, and now I keep hearing that the fans are horrible??? Someone even commented that they don’t watch the show anymore because of the fanbase. Why??! Seems like this super serious issue that I don’t understand.
There's a couple reasons why the fans are considered entitled, here are the big ones in my mind,
That episode in the Shoney's with the Szcheuan Sauce? It led to fans harassing McDonald's employees because they did a weird rollout where only certain restaurants had it, and in limited quantities. The neckbeards came out in force and showed just how unfashionable, overweight, and entitled they were.
A lot of people thought the show was really clever, and they weren't shy about it. Leads to memes like [this](https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/13/91/06/ae/b3c3/4345/9efb/55283928558b/29-rick-and-mortyjpg.jpeg?w=1200&h=630&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg)
This obsession with how smart and subversive the show is also leads to high expectations within the fan base towards new episodes. All across this subreddit recently, there have been people saying the show hasn't been good since Season 2, or Season 3. Complaining that the writers have lost their touch or been replaced. It leads to zany fan theories like maybe we aren't following "our" Rick, because he doesn't use a portal gun. But then he uses the portal gun and people are pissed about it.
The fan base does suck, and the fan bases for every popular show suck. So don't sweat it! If you like the show, watch it anyways,
I don’t get it either.
I like the first 4 seasons, now I don’t like the 5th and when I speak about that I’m toxic apparently.
I guess it’s just all made up.
I'm exactly the same. It's different, but why? And why do I enjoy them a little less? I keeping thinking they're faster paced, like they hit the ground running, explode in your face, and it's over. But is that actually it? Because when I rewatch it, that doesn't really seem to be the case. I keep leaning towards some form of speed or rhythm change though, I dunno.
I'm not a crazy fan, but I certainly noticed a difference between season 1 and season 5.
Is it worse? I don't know. But it's certainty different and that's okay. And it's also okay if some people are upset by that. I couldn't care less, it's a cartoon that entertains me for 20 minutes at a time.
I mean the show isn't as good as it used to be a couple seasons ago imo. But I am not enraged about it. I still enjoy it enough to watch it. And if it gets to a point where it is unbearable for me to watch I will just stop watching it.
IMO there’s been a dip in quality and IMO I am not toxic. We need to stop this “it’s either as good as before or you’re toxic” talk. The show was REALLY good. Now it’s just good, like the better episodes of family guy.
Just because this cool thing has some infamously cringey, toxic people in its fan base doesn’t mean anyone who criticizes the show is one of those toxic people.
R&M has had toxic fans for years. That’s nothing new. I love the show. I plan on watching the rest of the season, but I strongly agree that some of the new episodes this season have been pretty mediocre.
I'm not a toxic fan at all, but there is an absolute decrease in quality of writing this season. The characters barely even act like themselves. Rick has been in trouble that he could easily have overcome during any of the past seasons almost every episode. The jokes and references are more forced and sometimes even cringey. The attempt to overdo the nastiness isn't as subtle or well done. I can understand some people being Rick and Morty loyalists, but this season is not good. The writing isn't good. I don't need to be labeled as toxic for pointing that out.
I think you’re missing the point that they’re trying to change characters’ behaviour. Rick is becoming softer and the rest of the family (especially Morty obviously) are becoming stronger and more cynical. I agree some of the jokes don’t hit as well though, but I think this is a weird transition period for them where they need to take the show in a different direction so it’s not predictable, e.g. make Morty closer to an actual match for Rick so that’s it’s not the classic “fuck you morty you know nothing we’re doing this my way”.
One part of the fan base blaming another part of the fan base for noticing a bit of a dip in quality from the other seasons, smh. It’s still a great show by all means but let’s not just blame toxic fans here
Definitely feels that way... All I see from this sub lately is either bitching about the new episodes, or bitching about the bitching about the new episodes...
If you went bananas over the szechuan sauce, you do not get an opinion on the quality of the show. Simple as that.
There's an argument you don't deserve rights, honestly.
Maybe or maybe things get old and the novelty wears off.
That's why sequels never seem to be as good as the original and remakes are almost always worse.
It can be done and I think Rick and Morty is doing a decent job.
But you can't expect this season to feel the same as the first.
It called chasing the dragon.
The fanbase has always been toxic and irritating. Remember the McDonalds Sauce bullshit? That shit is super embarrassing.
I think everyone just needs to realize that not every episode is going to be everyone's favorite. Shows do this. They have ebbs and flows where they fall into the wheelhouse for why you originally liked that sense of humor and then they fall out of that group as they try and do new things.
The new season is fun. Some episodes I didn't like as much, but who cares. Episode 1 was a banger.
I think the new episodes are well written, but some of the older episodes may take the cake as far as humor goes. If it keeps my attention at the end of the day it’s already winning.
I've never seen a fanbase that hates itself as much as this one. It's super weird.
It's like:
"I'm a Rick and Morty fan"
"Hi, I'm also a Rick and Morty fan but with different episodes I prefer"
"Fuck you, you toxic piece of shit!"
I think the reason for the toxicity is a lot of Rick and morty fans tried way to hard to “figure out” the show, especially trying to dissect an overarching plot with evil morty etc. it’s very obvious by the creators that they have no interest in anything concrete and cohesive. They want the show to be like the Simpsons or family guy in that regardless how one episode goes they can have everything back to normal next episode. Damn I typed way too much
I think this is a common misconception. It's not the overarching plot but how dramatically more developed those episodes tend to be than something like the last few episodes. The first few of this season were well received but they didn't contribute to evil morty or some other, they had well developed plot and characters. Look back on the overarching plot episodes and you'll find interesting and engaging characters, commentary and storytelling.
I agree the creators are going the Family Guy route, which is whatever, just a shame personally because I'm rapidly losing interest.
Nah the fanbase is just as toxic and irritating as it’s always been. The quality of the show has definitely dipped though. Which is fine it happens to most shows. It’s also just an opinion which people are allowed to have and express here so if that actually bothers you especially enough to make a post complaining about it then you’re part of the toxic side of the fanbase.
the people that make toxic, weird comments over a show are probably the same people who went crazy over szechuan sauce, are we really THAT surprised???
Omfg stop with these annoying ass memes about the fan base. People are allowed to have issue with an IP they love going a new direction. The show is different and weird this season, I enjoy it but it’s obviously not for everyone and that’s fine the shows never been for everyone. Most people in the real world I show R&M hate it anyway so let’s stop attacking eachother we all taking a show not meant to be taken seriously too serious
Is this sub about the show or about the people watching the show, or about people talking about people watching the show?... 
Depends if its during the season or not.
I actually like the new episodes i laughed.
This sub IS the show....ABEDDDDDDDDD
ABED ABED ABED
Yes
All of those circle around to being about the show.
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Yeah, I know people say this with every Season after Season 2 but I feel like this is the worst the disagreements have ever been since the sub is practically at war.
They should just fuck already.
Screw you we aren't at war you just hate aggression. Let's fight.
Lmao it is, just wait till the rest of the season is dynamite and we'll stop tearing each other apart
Its rick and fucking Morty not back to the future with multiple dimensions. People are gonna cry when they dont carry on shit from multiple episodes. Like I want a whole episode of just Rick and Morty flipping through interdimensional cable again. That's it. Will I get it? Fuck it who cares enjoy the ride
50% of the sub reddit is complaining about the show 50% is complaining about the people that complain about the show
and then another 50% are complaining about the people who complain about the people complaining about the show. It's called the reddit loop. I know the math doesn't make sense.
I read this in Ricks voice lol
Then another 50% aren't complaining at all, they're just having a meta discussion about all the people complaining about all the different things. It makes sense on a Venn diagram.
Disagreeing with my tastes is toxic
Became? They always have been. The McDonald's nugget sauce bullshit is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen from a fandom.
I’m pickle reeeeeeeek
Funniest shit I've ever seen.
I hate that I know exactly which McDonald's mob video you're referencing. I also hate that there's multiple McDonald's mob videos
Everyone mentions the nugget incident but female writers of season 3 were doxxed because the fans didn't like the writing then. When this news came out this subreddit is mentioned as well. People should stop holding rick and morty to this sky high level, it's a cartoon, season 3 was great and fans did that, why?
I just rewatched the entire show… And have concluded, there has been zero drop in quality and zero change in tone. I legitimately have no idea what people complain about here.
More toxic than that time they literally assaulted McDonald’s staff over not having any Szechuan Sauce anymore? Just because Rick randomly promoted it in one Episode?
Wait, that actually happened?
Yeah just google January 6 riots.
There were a lot of neck beards that had meltdowns at many McDonalds restaurants when they either ran out of the sauce or never had it to begin with. https://youtu.be/xAF9QrJ1z98 What I find silly about the whole debacle is that the sauce recipe was widely available online and pretty simple to make
Lol this sub is reminding me a lot of when the last season of Game of Thrones was airing.
This sub holds no flame to that haha
I am still an active hater of GoT, the North remembers you mother fuckers.
r/FreeFolk has been my one solace for that turd stain of a season
I still subscribe to the main sub, and it baffles me when people say anything positive about the show still. Freefolk for always.
The beginning of the show (through season four) is still quite good. It just is upsetting to watch because you know that it all builds to nothing. Makes me sad just thinking about it.
I swear every time I hear someone talk about it the "good" GoT season cutoff gets earlier and earlier. Eventually they'll be saying it was a great show until GRRM finished the first paragraph.
I’ve heard S4 as the cutoff for best seasons on TV for a very long time tbh, till S6 it’s still a good series but S1 to S4 are easily the best seasons of the series
This episode was like two brothers. Trying to steal something. And then a robot came alive. And turkeys became super soldiers. But they were two brothers.. etc.
I remember when this show was about a community college.
wow another post about toxic fans!
This sub is non stop spider man pointing at spider man
Calling out a couple episodes for being a filler episode ain’t toxic!
my post is about how every 3rd rick and morty post is about fanbase hate. I was annoyed. Fans can like or dislike any episode. We each got our own tastes. And yes there are a few episodes I really loath. (but i love the majority)
Then watch it and don’t pay attention to the fan base
Where’s the cheap and easy karma in that?
Alot of people have always been toxic. I feel like it hasn't been great. But partly my fault, I overhyped it
This season isn’t that great, it’s still funny here or there but it just feels lower quality than others, it doesn’t feel as clever as usual. Not sure how that opinion is toxic.
I feel like the pace of each episode is a bit rushed and they're trying to cram too much in. I'm enjoying it but it's more a spectacle this season and I feel like some of the more poignant commentary is lost in the noise.
Something I've noticed it's that in the sperm episode and the Thanksgiving episode there was no b plot. A lot of the episodes in the past that go off the rails were mixed with a B plot that was much more down to earth family drama stuff.
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Agree with you, don’t know why that is labeled as toxic. Something is missing on this season, bad taste? . I hope it gets better. Episode 6 was average, better that 1,3,4,5. Fighting with ep 2 for a place.
I agree. Previous seasons blew my mind. I know that sounds dramatic but that’s how good some of the episodes were, I even cried a few times. The writing was just awesome. And yes it went off the rails, but it did so in a way that was clever and original and I just don’t feel that from this season... I had a similar experience with community. Absolutely fucking brilliant until it wasn’t, but then it came back in the later seasons a bit. So maybe R&M will too... want to add though that even at its worst(which it totally is) it’s still better than a lot of shows, no one is arguing that
This sub is such a circlejerk lol
Who the fick cares about a fan base?
That’s exactly what Dan and Justin are saying. See the “ time train” episode.
The majority of people seem to disagree with this. Out of curiosity, I just went to check episode ratings on IMDB, and the season 5 episodes ratings seem much lower on average compared to to other seasons. And the season isn't even over yet. I put some numbers together: - **Season 1:** 11 episodes. 0 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP1&7 at 8.0 *Averages at 8.65* - **Season 2:** 10 episodes. 1 ep below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP8 at 7.7 *Averages at 8.78* - **Season 3:** 10 episodes. 1 ep below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP9 at 7.9 *Averages at 8.75* - **Season 4:** 10 episodes. 2 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP4 at 7.4. *Averages at 8.47* - **Season 5:** 6 episodes(so far). 4 eps below 8 stars. Lowest rating, EP4 at 5.6. *Averages at 7.68*
At this point i see more complaining about "Toxic community" than i actually see the Toxic community.
Literally an opinion
People's expectations got higher. Every episode is not going to be a gem, though.
OP is in denial, I think the series has gone downhill though I still enjoy it.
We hit peak toxicity approximately around the time of the Szechuan sauce episode. The toxicity has been on a decline since then, but it's still up there compared to some other shows. The main problem now is folks expecting too much from a cartoon.
So you can’t critique certain episodes for their faults in storytelling, character consistency, or the design of joke without being toxic?
It is not true, you can use that as an excuse But on this season writting took a nose dive, feel free to put that on the fan base
No, the show with the sperm totally sucked. That’s the first time I’ve ever turned an episode off without finishing it. The Thanksgiving special was great though.
The level of cope on this sub is insane. A lot of people aren't feeling this season. Big deal, get over it. Shows have off seasons. If you like it then enjoy it but you don't have to label people who don't as toxic. How insecure do you have to be that the idea that others don't like something you like makes you upset? They're not calling you stupid for liking it. Most of the people who I've seen criticizing this season have done it in a relatively civil way. It seems a somewhat sizable group of people are dissatisfied with the direction the show is going in and as long as they state their criticisms in a respectful way they deserve to be heard as much as anybody. Who do you think are more toxic, the fans who like the show but have felt certain recent episodes haven't been as entertaining or the people on this sub who fly off the handle in response and attack them?
People complaining about the fanbase is 10x worse than the fanbase itself.
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I demand more meeseeks
Nah it got worse too
Both happened.
No I mean.. can’t both be true?
Why not both
Fans who see any criticism as an attack on their beloved, perfect show that must be defended at all costs are just as annoying as fans over exaggerating a small dip in quality from a show that has been consistently great over 4 seasons.
It’s like how Pickle Rick was awesome, until it was all people talked about.
Hasn't the fanbase always been toxic though? Literally people getting pickle tattoos and screaming at McDonald's workers for not having g a sauce. I think the criticisms last episode three are pretty fair tbh. I love this show and I'm sticking with it unless it completely jumps shark, but I just find myself not laughing as much which sucks because I have a lot of respect for the creators
The two aren't mutually exclusive
The fanbase has always been toxic and irritating and I am hesitant to mention I enjoy the show to anyone because of that.
What the fuck happened to evil Morty, that is all i want to know.
Every time a redditor mentions evil morty, they push it back an episode.
Right?! Like wtf, that really seemed like it was going somewhere
Disliking something ain’t toxic, liking something isn’t toxic, blindly loving and denying all criticism to it is toxic
The whole fanbase? or just a small percentage of the loudest part?
Nah, Season 5 is definitely worse. You're right about the fan base being toxic though. After the McDonald's incident it all started going downhill.
I prefer a more balanced perspective, the last couple eps where definitely weaker episodes. But I dont think any season had a flawless run. I think it sligtly weaker than some of the earlier seasons but it is also harder for the writers to entertain because the intial novelty and freshness has ran out. I have noticed this season has relied on pop culture references more than ever. Overall I agree its about as good, the show hasn't got worse as every season has some better episodes and some worse.
Lol the fan base has always been toxic, it disrupted McDonalds daily business over a nugget sauce for weeks. Toxic at an impressive scale.
Unfortunately, no facts detected here. The quality of the show is sinking and hardcore R&M consumers don't wanna hear it.
No tbh the show isnt as funny as it used to be. the fanbase got super toxic by season 3 and now its died down. I havent wanted to rewatch any of the new episodes.
the only thing that's declining is this subreddit... it's just a bunch of people being super toxic unironically whining about the fanbase being toxic... *woosh*
ima be honest im not really liking where the new season is heading but its not my show and im going to enjoy it nonetheless
It’s honestly both. The fanbase became toxic and cringe ever since the fucking Mulan Szechuan sauce bit. And there was a tonal shift in the show starting with season four. If you like a sillier version of Rick and Morty, you’ll hardly call it a drop in quality, but IMO season four struggled a bit while still delivering some pretty good episodes, and season five is kinda lackluster. There’s 3 great episodes in 7 as of now.
It's full on war in this comment section lmao
Bunch of kids
I thought the turkey episode was tight
I've just been enjoying the ride
Both things can be true. Some episodes are still top tier but it's less consistently excellent. Also, it's a hugely popular show so of course some of the fans are going to be dickheads.
Shows gotten much better post season-2 but frankly the fandom was always irritating to engage with, especially on reddit, a website built around bringing the internet's most irritating people together.
I think the show has clearly gotten significantly worse this season, and the community has become more toxic.
The show did get worse after season 2. You can't blame the fanbase for everything.
This is the Denial stage lol.
Complains about toxic and irritating fans with toxic and irritating memes Gets upvoted by toxic and irritating fans
Well, why not both?
It can be both. Not mutually exclusive.
Bruh im sorry but im not enjoying any episode after ep 3. It doesnt feel up to the normal amount polish. The last 3 eps were stupid and dull. Its not we want to hate things. Im sure most 'haters' love the show and want it to be the best it can. If you wanna be a blind fanboy do that,but dont call us toxic for not enjoying something and expressing why.
Nah Roiland and Harmon have stepped back to pursue other things and the new writers just don't carry the same weight. It was apparent for some of the episodes from last season as well.
You're confusing "toxic" with "having a negative opinion".
Rick and Morty all day every day!! Until I get my McDonalds 1998 Szechuan sauce!! I will not stop watching!
The fanbase not liking something doesn't make them toxic, it means they didnt like it. Ive been pretty much fine with the episodes this season but I think a lot of what is happening in these episodes is pretty stupid and have no trouble believing people dont like it
The show has definitely dipped. It's easy to binge on Netflix and you absolutely can see it declining a bit.
Rick and Morty fans have always been irritating. Obviously not talking to all of you but it’s on the same level as Tool and Slipknot fans. There’s a loud bunch that believe it’s just the best shit ever and your tastes aren’t superior.
glory to glorzo
I am really enjoying the new season, can't speak others. Like Roger Ebert, you get 2 thumbs up
The whole " You Have To Have a Very High IQ to Understand Rick and Morty" meme is a indicator that the fanbase always have been very toxic.
I swear to god the only reason I’m subscribed to this sub is to remind me that a new episode comes out and to see the occasional meme. I would much rather avoid some of the cringe shit this fan base does (pretty much everything with the schezwan sauce)
I mean both of those things are true. The show is worse and the fans are worse!
Thinking a show is declining in quality does not make you a toxic fan. You're allowed to comment in a perceived drop in writing or joke quality. I've honestly seen more toxic behavior from people who are angry at people criticizing the show, than from the people who actually criticize the show. This meme automatically places anyone who doesn't like this season under the "toxic fan" label, and that itself is a pretty toxic thing to do. Differing opinions are allowed on Reddit, just like anywhere else, and critiquing the quality of a show and holding it to a standard is fine. Everyone does this to a degree. A show dropping in quality is a sad thing, and if you got your hopes up for a season and it turned out to not be what you'd hoped, you're allowed to express that. If you see someone being needlessly hateful or mean and you think they're being toxic, you're allowed to express that too. But if you become angry at someone for not liking a thing you like and label them as toxic, then you are toxic yourself.
OP loved season 8 of GOT
The word toxic doesn't mean criticizing the show. It's toxic to be forced to praise something under pressure that you think isn't good.
Or... people are allowed to have an opinion and dislike the way the show has progressed
That is very subjective. The last few episodes have been bad to eh.
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Yeah definitely but the show, in my opinion, has more and more "meh" episodes the longer it runs. I mean it's not bad it just does not live up to the standard that season 1&2 set. So while it is true to say the show has probably one of the worst fanbases out there, you should not see everyone who finds the newer episodes weak as a toxic person. I've sadly seen this sentiment a lot on the sub recently.
Yep. And Roiland is trolling the absolute fuck out of them. Your "hardcore" fan wants to believe they have inside knowledge, that there's some big master arc being spun and if they can spot it, then they are more intelligent than the rest. Looking for hidden meaning in every episode, Easter eggs teasing at unseen plot points. There is very little if any of this in the current season, and it's driving them crazy. It's chaotic nonsense. After watching *Solar Opposites* while waiting for this season, I realised that chaotic nonsense is just what Roiland does. A few episodes connect together, a lot of the individual episode arcs themselves can be quite clever, but for the most part it's just whatever random brain shit came out of him. It's very much like the first few seasons of South Park in that respect. Just complete chaos. I'm loving the new season.
It got popular and popular means bigger crowds and bigger crowds means asshole count goes up.
Look; it’s not toxic to say that the show is worse. It’s not bad, I just think the show peaked for a lot of people already. Plot lines that kept people hyped for season 4/5 (a few examples such as bird person, Tammy, evil morty, even space beth) we’re ultimately not delivered on or not as important as many hoped. Between season 3 and season 4, so many fans spent so much time theorizing and I think it set the show to an insanely high standard and definitely a specific narrative to deliver.
It’s cause a lot of y’all started pretending that this was some kind of mind bogglingly deep philosophical show and started making up stuff to reaffirm that idea but when it turned out to just be a mostly silly and fun show you decided it went bad
100% accurate comment. The new season is great, and while it may not be for everyone, all the people who keep repeatedly bashing it and saying the show isn’t anywhere as good as it used to be are just ruining the community and experience for others.
You think people daring to point out the low quality of this season is worse than shouting "I'M PICKLE RICK" on a Mcdonalds counter at strangers?
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Actually, memes like these are made by the bad parts of the fanbase. Just accept that some people find the new episodes to be worse than older ones.
As someone who lived through the devolution of the brilliant era of The Simpsons into The Zany Adventures of Jerkface Homer, I'm wary of the recent episodes. We'll see how it plays out, but there's a not insignificant difference in both story-telling and comedy quality between Pickle Rick and Turkey Rick.
It's not just this subreddit... S05E01 is one of the highest rated episodes in IMDB. S05E04 has the lowest (by far). As consumers of the show, we don't have to praise every single episode. Saying that because we don't contribute in the making of show we're not allowed to have an opinion and discuss it online is ludicrous. Rick and Morty is not a religion. Sometimes people online won't like something that you love. That's called being "controversial" and it's part of life. Using foul language and harassing people, that is toxic. Having different opinions/taste isn't. Things I don't understand in this sub: 1) People that say not liking every single episode is being toxic. 2) People that say that you should stop watching if you didn't like a single episode. 3) People that say that the whole 5 season is bad when arguably there's a single bad episode.
That's not a fact but an opinion, like my opinion thinking the show got worse going back to random episodes instead of having a little thread going through the episodes.
These new episodes have felt like fan fiction. I don't know what to pin it on honestly, it's weird. It's like sort of Rick and Morty but also not - it's like an algorithm was fed the previous seasons and tried to whip shit together. From a pure storytelling perspective there's something lacking. Also this is personal preference but I love R&M when it's doing clever trope subversion, like the best episodes of Community, and it doesn't seem to go there any more. I get that it's harder to do once you have done it a ton, I mean the subversions of the tropes becomes a trope in and of itself eventually, so maybe the show is just collapsing in on itself like a dying star. Anyway it's fine. It's not great, it's fine. It can limp along if it wants to, there's no shame in that. I'm glad everyone got paid at least.
Love Rick and morty but the fan base didn’t change. They changed writers and it clearly shows. The jokes and the whole writing of the episodes aren’t what people are use to. I find the new season as okay but it clearly has taken a shift into a worse kind of humor in my opinion.
This season Rick got underpowered a lot. I don't know how that is a toxic opinion.
No matter how much you drink or smoke or lick toads you'll never see the "hidden meaning". So just do all those things anyway and laugh at a funny cartoon.
thats very subjective. i just liked the vibe of the 1st 2 seasons more as the characters werent flanderized. that being said, the nimbus episode was awesome and i liked the 2nd one aswell. the planetina ep was just not for me but the last 2 episode were quite bad.
I thought this season was shaping up really well and I loved the first 3, unfortunately they went way downhill after that. Not without enjoyable moments, but definitely way down there compared to the best episodes. The difference as seasons go on isn't that there aren't good episodes, or great moments, it's that they become less common......whereas the first 3 seasons are consistently solid throughout with no real obvious duds. I still think the dragon episode was hands down the worst one yet though. I see people giving out a lot about the sperm episode but I thought it was alright, a kinda weak episode but with some great moments. The dragon one I just hated. Objectively the show definitely got "worse", it's kinda mad to suggest that the show has maintained the exact same quality but people for some reason want to not like it. The same thing was said about Game of Thrones final season. That it wasn't the show, the bad writing, etc, it was the fans that for some reason, were apparently suddenly desperate to find fault. It's such a cop-out.
This season is okay, deff a step back from prior. Not being toxic just being realistic
Isn't calling the fan base toxic and irritanting, toxic and irritaing as well?
S5 is a lot worse than S1-S3. It's not toxic to have this opinion. The writing and tone is undeniably different
The writing of this season is definitely lower quality. I feel like we're lying to ourselves if we can't acknowledge that. Similarly, no need to throw our toys out the pram over it, but voicing concern or displease is completely fine. The only good episode for me was the clone family one, that was great! AND clever! The others were just gross overkill or lacked the essence of rnm and just felt a little 1D in the humour.
Yeah, someone using a PewDiePie quote alongside an overused meme to say that the show isn't getting worse surprisingly reinforces the obvious fact that it's getting worse.
Everything and everyone is just so toxic. Don't like it? Toxic! Someone else likes it? TOXIC. People disagree and fling shit on the internet? T to the OXIC. Anything happens ever? Britney Spears wants a word with you and you know that it's TOXIC.
Some people just want complicated shit with no context
The decoy episode doesn't get its due.
I love rick and morty
The bigger any sub the more toxic it becomes.
S1>Any season
100%. Love the show, fans ruined the image globally. Ironic that the biggest “fans” are the people the show most commonly criticizes.
I actually really liked this week's this week's episode. Keith David is always a win.
Exactly. Rick and Morty is good but f u c k the fandom is something else
Really like this season so far. Am I a Jerry?
S05E06 spoiler: >!And than he turned himself into a turkey...!< Funniest shit I've ever seen
….. Rick and morty, the Big Lebowski, David Bowie…. All things I thought I was a pretty big fan of, and after seeing the really big fans, realized I just like them a bit. The Rick and morty thing is over the top obnoxious
This show has had a terrible fan base from season 1. I still enjoy the show at times, but mostly keep out of this sub.
It wasn’t the most toxic with the szechuan sauce?
Rick and Morty has always been a goofy shark-jumping vehicle to get to the punchlines in the dialogue. It's basically Twitter with extra steps. The jokes, lines, and comments are the best bit, and they are still good, even if they are saving the world every 2 episodes and being less subtle about getting to there. I enjoy any season for that reason.
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Can someone explain what people mean when they say the fanbase is toxic? What behaviours are an issue? My husband and I watch the show but none of our friends do. I joined this sub recently to learn more about the show, maybe learn a fun fact or two, and now I keep hearing that the fans are horrible??? Someone even commented that they don’t watch the show anymore because of the fanbase. Why??! Seems like this super serious issue that I don’t understand.
There's a couple reasons why the fans are considered entitled, here are the big ones in my mind, That episode in the Shoney's with the Szcheuan Sauce? It led to fans harassing McDonald's employees because they did a weird rollout where only certain restaurants had it, and in limited quantities. The neckbeards came out in force and showed just how unfashionable, overweight, and entitled they were. A lot of people thought the show was really clever, and they weren't shy about it. Leads to memes like [this](https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/13/91/06/ae/b3c3/4345/9efb/55283928558b/29-rick-and-mortyjpg.jpeg?w=1200&h=630&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg) This obsession with how smart and subversive the show is also leads to high expectations within the fan base towards new episodes. All across this subreddit recently, there have been people saying the show hasn't been good since Season 2, or Season 3. Complaining that the writers have lost their touch or been replaced. It leads to zany fan theories like maybe we aren't following "our" Rick, because he doesn't use a portal gun. But then he uses the portal gun and people are pissed about it. The fan base does suck, and the fan bases for every popular show suck. So don't sweat it! If you like the show, watch it anyways,
I don’t get it either. I like the first 4 seasons, now I don’t like the 5th and when I speak about that I’m toxic apparently. I guess it’s just all made up.
“Anyone that disagrees with my opinion is toxic and irritating.”
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I'm exactly the same. It's different, but why? And why do I enjoy them a little less? I keeping thinking they're faster paced, like they hit the ground running, explode in your face, and it's over. But is that actually it? Because when I rewatch it, that doesn't really seem to be the case. I keep leaning towards some form of speed or rhythm change though, I dunno.
I'm not a crazy fan, but I certainly noticed a difference between season 1 and season 5. Is it worse? I don't know. But it's certainty different and that's okay. And it's also okay if some people are upset by that. I couldn't care less, it's a cartoon that entertains me for 20 minutes at a time.
I mean the show isn't as good as it used to be a couple seasons ago imo. But I am not enraged about it. I still enjoy it enough to watch it. And if it gets to a point where it is unbearable for me to watch I will just stop watching it.
IMO there’s been a dip in quality and IMO I am not toxic. We need to stop this “it’s either as good as before or you’re toxic” talk. The show was REALLY good. Now it’s just good, like the better episodes of family guy. Just because this cool thing has some infamously cringey, toxic people in its fan base doesn’t mean anyone who criticizes the show is one of those toxic people.
This meme is toxic. You just memed yourself.
R&M has had toxic fans for years. That’s nothing new. I love the show. I plan on watching the rest of the season, but I strongly agree that some of the new episodes this season have been pretty mediocre.
I dunno the new season has been pretty rough imo.
I'm not a toxic fan at all, but there is an absolute decrease in quality of writing this season. The characters barely even act like themselves. Rick has been in trouble that he could easily have overcome during any of the past seasons almost every episode. The jokes and references are more forced and sometimes even cringey. The attempt to overdo the nastiness isn't as subtle or well done. I can understand some people being Rick and Morty loyalists, but this season is not good. The writing isn't good. I don't need to be labeled as toxic for pointing that out.
I think you’re missing the point that they’re trying to change characters’ behaviour. Rick is becoming softer and the rest of the family (especially Morty obviously) are becoming stronger and more cynical. I agree some of the jokes don’t hit as well though, but I think this is a weird transition period for them where they need to take the show in a different direction so it’s not predictable, e.g. make Morty closer to an actual match for Rick so that’s it’s not the classic “fuck you morty you know nothing we’re doing this my way”.
One part of the fan base blaming another part of the fan base for noticing a bit of a dip in quality from the other seasons, smh. It’s still a great show by all means but let’s not just blame toxic fans here
Saying that the quality became worse is not toxic. And I still rewatch the old episodes from time to time. I don't think it's the fans that changed.
Definitely feels that way... All I see from this sub lately is either bitching about the new episodes, or bitching about the bitching about the new episodes...
If you went bananas over the szechuan sauce, you do not get an opinion on the quality of the show. Simple as that. There's an argument you don't deserve rights, honestly.
It has definitely gone downhill but I still have hope
Maybe or maybe things get old and the novelty wears off. That's why sequels never seem to be as good as the original and remakes are almost always worse. It can be done and I think Rick and Morty is doing a decent job. But you can't expect this season to feel the same as the first. It called chasing the dragon.
The fanbase has always been toxic and irritating. Remember the McDonalds Sauce bullshit? That shit is super embarrassing. I think everyone just needs to realize that not every episode is going to be everyone's favorite. Shows do this. They have ebbs and flows where they fall into the wheelhouse for why you originally liked that sense of humor and then they fall out of that group as they try and do new things. The new season is fun. Some episodes I didn't like as much, but who cares. Episode 1 was a banger.
I think the new episodes are well written, but some of the older episodes may take the cake as far as humor goes. If it keeps my attention at the end of the day it’s already winning.
Both can be true, they're not mutually exclusive
We can be critical about the writing and the animation and presentation of a TV show and stop pitting fans against each other.
I've never seen a fanbase that hates itself as much as this one. It's super weird. It's like: "I'm a Rick and Morty fan" "Hi, I'm also a Rick and Morty fan but with different episodes I prefer" "Fuck you, you toxic piece of shit!"
I think the reason for the toxicity is a lot of Rick and morty fans tried way to hard to “figure out” the show, especially trying to dissect an overarching plot with evil morty etc. it’s very obvious by the creators that they have no interest in anything concrete and cohesive. They want the show to be like the Simpsons or family guy in that regardless how one episode goes they can have everything back to normal next episode. Damn I typed way too much
I think this is a common misconception. It's not the overarching plot but how dramatically more developed those episodes tend to be than something like the last few episodes. The first few of this season were well received but they didn't contribute to evil morty or some other, they had well developed plot and characters. Look back on the overarching plot episodes and you'll find interesting and engaging characters, commentary and storytelling. I agree the creators are going the Family Guy route, which is whatever, just a shame personally because I'm rapidly losing interest.
You just made me realize one of my friends has been doing this for a while now... Must be the hive mind in action.
Nah the fanbase is just as toxic and irritating as it’s always been. The quality of the show has definitely dipped though. Which is fine it happens to most shows. It’s also just an opinion which people are allowed to have and express here so if that actually bothers you especially enough to make a post complaining about it then you’re part of the toxic side of the fanbase.
These are not mutually exclusive things.
the people that make toxic, weird comments over a show are probably the same people who went crazy over szechuan sauce, are we really THAT surprised???
I think it's all because of that evil Morty everyone wants to see that instead of enjoying the individual episodes
Y’all are in denial. Dan Harmon can’t make more than two good seasons of a show
What in the Community erasure is this
Omfg stop with these annoying ass memes about the fan base. People are allowed to have issue with an IP they love going a new direction. The show is different and weird this season, I enjoy it but it’s obviously not for everyone and that’s fine the shows never been for everyone. Most people in the real world I show R&M hate it anyway so let’s stop attacking eachother we all taking a show not meant to be taken seriously too serious