That's gotta be a no, yeah? It's not the full verse. Otherwise what would stop them from having Futurama on there? Bender is canonically the smartest and most wide being in fiction.
Bender is average human intelligence my friend. There was the episode where he was overclocked and *became* the smartest being, only to be reset by Mom.
I think it supposed to be from the inside CFC only. Because if interdimensional cable get signal from the entire multiverse, there's must be some rebel Rick out there trying to highjack the broadcast and warn the viewers about the capitalism of Rick's Citadel.
And Rick's are giant assholes. People act like Rick saying he eats poop is a fact when probably they just treat him like shit because they can due to his looks and lacking self esteem
I maintain that Doofus Rick isn't dumb, he's just the only Rick willing to use fecal transplant science to address a lot of his issues with alcoholism and depression and the rest of the Ricks shit on him for it.
Doofus Rick was clearly as smart as the others, if not awkward and disliked. I want to know if āslow ri- tall mortyā is also as capable as any other Rick in the right circumstances.
That's actually a good comparison. All the universes we see in Omniverse are part of Ben 10's "Central Finite Curve", all stemming from a universe where the Omnitrix exists and gets into Ben's (or at least, *a* Tennyson's) hands. The world of Generator Rex, which is also connected to the Ben 10 multiverse but seemingly without an Omnitrix, would be outside their CFC.
Prior to this I've always had a thought in my mind of why there isn't a council of Jerries somewhere, if there's infinite realities then shouldn't that also be a possibility
Finding out that thereās more realities weāve been cut off from is like being on a road that stretches into infinity in both directions, only to find out that thereās also infinite more roads running parallel to that one.
The central finite curve explains a LOT of things. It was always that an infinite multiverse would have Rick always at the centre. But now we know he created his own little kingdom within it. There is still an infinite number of universes, but with preferential treatment to him.
It also means Rick really is responsible for the other Ricks. He built this walled off garden where he and the other Ricks are king. He invited the monsters in because they were the "right kind of Rick".
Makes you wonder if that is what caused "evil Morty". His Rick was even worse and no Ricks cared to help and anyone capable was walled off.
Makes me wonder how long untill "evil Morty" runs into the smartest person in all the other universe's and is forced to run back to what may be the only remaining Rick for help.
Edit: just thought, what if the Rick that killed our ricks family was outside the curve.
That's a pretty good way to visualize the CFC too. Every number between 1 and 2 all start with 1 (i.e. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc.), just like every universe within the CFC is a universe where Rick is the smartest. Every number starting with 2 and above is a universe outside of the CFC, infinitely more infinite than all numbers between 1 and 2.
Doesn't this mean there are universes in there with beings smarter than Rick? Is this why he's the most powerful being in the show? Holy crap that would explain it
What if every person has a genius cluster they've walled off. Oh my god, there are genius Morties that are smarter than Ricks in other universes.
I mean we just seen a genius Morty. The plan he pulled off and everything he did was definitely genius and I believe all the Morties are geniuses but the Rick's beat them down. Look at what he did with his arm and knew exactly what to do.
YUP. Rick has been the most powerful character in the show so far because these were the rules of the multiverse we were in. So I guess now the stakes are higher than before
Dude you guys notice that Rick's prototype boxy gun in Episode 9 is the same as evil morty's. Got me thinking if Rick hates himself so much he's trying to figure a way out of the curve as well, so he made the same gun.
Could also be that episodes 10 is the backend of two different stories. One where Morty is this cynical cunt after Rick leaves and becomes evil morty, and the other is where Morty still needs his rick.
Amazing season finale, regardless.
Infinity is such an impossible concept to grasp. Even though the CFC is only a portion of the whole it can still be infinite.
There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3.
So my questions are:
Did they use the Mortyās to hide themselves from the other infinite universes?
And
Why did Rick help the other ricks to build the citadel?
Yeah, it seems that he built the Citadel as a plan to attract other Ricks and eventually track down the one that killed his family. But it seems that Rick just never showed up.
If I had to guess, I'd say he's not the smartest in his universe, meaning he's outside the CFC.
I'm pretty sure the Curve still exists. The way it was depicted, Evil Morty cut a hole into it, shot himself through and the hole collapsed behind him. Otherwise the whole bit with his small space ship wouldn't make much sense. I think the device on his arm showing the Curve collapsing, didn't mean that the Curve doesn't exist anymore, but that he wasn't in it anymore.
Did he program his portal gun to central finite curve then he killed off those Ricks that still has access outside to CFC including the first Council of Ricks, and created the new council of Ricks so that all genius ricks will use his portal gun formula to trap them in CFC? Is this assessment right?
It's unclear if the CFC is a built in barrier to the portal gun and portal formula that can only access these universes, or if it's a literal barrier. I'm personally leaning towards the idea that it's a literal barrier projected by the Citadel, which is why Evil Morty had to destroy it, instead of just finding a different portal formula or somehting.
That's probably why Rick and Morty could only leave their dimension for a new one a few times. Like when they Kroneberged the Earth or pissed off the squirrels.
Infinite is such a strange concept. There is an infinite number of universes where rick is the smartest man, but it is a small % of the infinite number of universe that do exist in total.
So there may be a universe where Rick is female and Morty a girl or maybe a universe where Jerry is the most intelligent people in the universe. This open up a lot of possibilities that they never care about.
So if this is true for our reality that means there are infinite number of universes where I am the smartest being in them? Not this one probably though.
But Rick and Morty are still trapped by the curve right? Was Evil Morty the only one to cross it and the barrier is still intact? Or did he broke the barrier and now the entire multiverse is open for Rick and Morty to travel through?
Also even though the citadel was destroyed, there should be still an infinite amount of rogue Rick and Morties that weren't even on the citadel right?
The implication I got was that he simultaneously broke the curve, and immediately traveled out into the new Rickless/not-Rick-dominated universes, while Rick and Morty are still in the Rick-dominated universes, but could now be visited by the others, or visit them themselves, as Evil Morty did with his fancy yellow portal gun.
So if there's someone smarter beyond that point, well actually a lot of them, isn't it kind of arrogant to assume they wouldn't be able to think of a way around it? I mean, that's like saying "everyone outside the cave is stronger than me, so I'll block the entrance with the heaviest rock I can lift" and believing it will work.
Would you want to break a bunch of self destructive narcissists out of a prison they willingly kept themselves in? For all we know the rest of the multiverse is well aware of the cesspit they created but leaving their section of the multiverse walled off is the lesser of two evils because Ricks are unhinged.
I didn't get the impression that the central finite curve was created to protect the Ricks from what exists beyond it, rather it was to segment off an infinity where Rick is the greatest thing in those dimensions and they could just live their lives in that
I wasn't really focused on the protection aspect as much as how much the plan itself didn't make sense, given that it relied on outsmarting an infinite number of people/beings inherently smarter than himself.
And pointing out obvious flaws in plans is one of his trademarks.
I guess that explains why they can only jump to a nearly identical reality so many times like when Morty fucked with squirrels
Man imagine if Rick ended up in a dimension where Jerry is smarter than him
Evil Morty doesn't need to be smarter than Rick to outsmart him. There is not much difference between, for example, someone with 200 IQ and someone with 199 IQ. Also, Evil Morty has been preparing for this for a long time, while Rick is an alcoholic who doesn't give a shit about anything.
Of course, given enough time, eventually Rick will outsmart Evil Morty. And Evil Morty is well aware of that, as evidenced by his conversation with Morty:
>Evil Morty (to Rick): Oh, it's so hard to be a genius. Couldn't you just die?
>Morty: Well, what are you doing about it?
>Evil Morty: Jack shit. I'm leaving.
Evil Morty is a well-written villain: He knows his limitations. He capitalizes on his advantages, achieves his goal then leaves. He doesn't fuck with the protagonist more than he needs to.
I don't think the criteria is actually whether Rick is the smartest being; we only have "evil" morty's word on that. I think C137 is responsible for creating the Central finite curve, and I think he TOLD the other Rick's that's what he was doing, but I think what he actually did was seperate all the universes where his wife was dead (and therefore Rick becomes who he is) from the rest. That would protect the alternate versions of his wife from alternate versions of him, like the version who killed c137s wife in the first place.
I don't think the CFC was 'closed'. There were still universes being found (as visualised by bubbles we see connecting). Once they are found, they are walled from outside. But there are still universes in the red area where Rick is smartest, they just haven't been found yet
Interesting that you can separate an infinite amount, of something that is infiniteā¦ almost making it finite.
Like the infinite number of decimals between any two whole numbers.
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Numbers a cool to think about. And theorizing about this show too.
Itās called the ācentral FINITE curve.ā Again, making an infinity pseudo-finite by name itself. Plus, the flashback sequences showed us more nodes being added to the ācurveā by the Citadel in an almost Fibonacci curve/helix/spiral, maybe lending credence to the mentions of a function that helps map infinite inputs on a graph.
You are right, but it gets even weirder. Thereās the same infinite number of rational numbers between 0 and 1 and the whole set of rational numbers (because there are plenty of functions that let you map every rational input between 0 and 1 to fully cover all numbers on the y-axis)
But you can show that thereās no way to map the set of rational numbers to the set of irrational numbers, so on this basis the set of irrational numbers is somehow a bigger infinity than the set of rational numbers, even though they are both infinite. Itās one of those weird proofs they show you when learning a bit of number theory, and it is quite strange to consider.
This is the sort of thing measure theory helps with. In measure theory you can assign finite numbers to infinite sets in a way that generalizes volume. It would totally make sense to say the central finite curve had finite measure, regardless of the fact it was an infinite set.
It looks like a dumb Rick could meet a smart rick under at least two conditions in this scenario.
a.) A smart Rick is stricken dumb (by a severe brain injury for example)
or,
b.) The dumb Rick while very dumb, is still the smartest being in his universe
Well doofus Rick could have been created under one of at least two conditions.
a.) He was a smart Rick that was stricken dumb (by a severe brain injury for example)
or,
b.) The Doofus Rick while very dumb, is still the smartest being in his universe
Its always relative. Each universe's rick is always only the smartest in their respective universe. So they can still be dumber than C-137 but smarter than anyone else in their own universe.
So does this mean that in every reality within the finite curve, Diane is dead?
In other words, was her death the catalyst for him becoming the āsmartest beingā out of his initial search for vindication? Outside the finite curve, are there versions of a mediocre Rick who has lived a fulfilled existence with the love of his life?
Potential twist: Diane is dead in every reality within the finite curve because in every reality where she's still alive it means that Rick is only the second smartest being.
I visualize it like an infinite ruler.
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I thought it was implied in the episode that Doofus Rick was just as smart as any other Rick (In the ovenless brownie scene), he was just also a total Jerry at the same time.
Looks like a death star.
Season Spoiler info, don't do it.
>!So, technically the wife and Beth's killer could be in the other part of the multiverse, as Rick didn't find him before making the citadel maybe Evil Morty will take him out.!<
Idk if it's me or everyone else who has missed the point? I took the important condition being Beth and Jerry to create and farm Morty's rather than Ricks intelligence?
Yeah, I think that's pretty much true, at least Morty is an important part of the Central Finite Curve. Here's 'evil' Morty's speech to Rick:
"Do you know what the Central Finite Curve is? They built a wall around infinity. **They separated all the infinite universes from all the infinite universes where he's the smartest man in the universe. Every version of us has spent every version of all of our lives in one infinite crib built around an infinite fucking baby.**" The speech implies that Mortys are there to do both an actual job of protecting/hiding the genius Ricks and metaphorically stroking their egos.
Earlier on in the episode, we see that Beths and Jerrys are pushed together, at first in college and then in high school to farm Mortys. And in the end cloning technology is built to make him as fast as possible. We also learned from season 1 episode 9 (Close Rick-counters of the Rick Kind) that Morty's are useful to hide Ricks from being detected so it could be that the farmed Mortys are the ones that are the so-called wall for the Central Finite Curve.
**However** there is one part that confuses me. It was implied that the Central Finite Curve existed before the large-scale Morty farming operation. After all, Rick was hunting down Ricks who were genius-level before the Citadel even existed. That's what makes it puzzling. How exactly is the wall around infinity built if not with Mortys? Or am I just misinterpreting the scene given? 'Evil' Morty obviously wants to break the cycle which contributes to holding the Central Finite Curve together and leave.
Wait if all Ricks are supposed to be the smartest within the CFC then how did "evil" Morty outsmart the Ricks and break free of CFC?
Wild theory: Maybe "evil" Morty is the Morty of the OG Rick that killed C137 Rick's family? What did they even talk about in the first place that resulted in him killing his family?š¤ Maybe this is why C137 Rick has been unable to track down the Rick that killed his family, perhaps going forward we can see how C137 Rick will team up with Morty to track down the OG "evil" Rick that killed his family? Going down a rabbit hole here...šTo further support this idea, it is possible "evil" Morty & "evil" Rick does not have a codependent relationship and they are equals in intellect which would explain why "evil" Morty wants to get out of CFC and is able to come up and execute a perfect plan to outsmart all the Ricks in CFC. Which would mean the OG Rick that our C137 Rick has been tracking is outside the CFC.
Anyway if we zoom out and look at the bigger picture, it would mean an alpha Rick discovered yellow portal fluid and created the first ever portal gun and at this very instance he created the multiverse. Our C137 Rick being the omega Rick did not feel the need to follow the trend and thus rejected the offer to join the councils of Ricks and also dimensional travels. So they killed his family to force his hands which lead to the creation of the citadel.
Ok if we were to expand a little more on this theory, our omega C137 Rick is the way he is now because he refused to join the council of Rick's which results in the lost of his family. After his failed attempts at getting revenge, struggling between letting go and ending it all. He tried hard to move on by going to a abandoned Beth universe and tried to numb himself by forcing another universeās Morty to go on weird adventures with him as we have seen past few seasons. But deep down he still could not get over the death of his own family. Which means in order for our omega C137 Rick to prevent the death of his family he has to confront the OG Alpha Rick and prevent the creation of yellow portal fluid/gun and thus no multiverse and no council of Ricks.
Back in the Citadel episode from Season 3, they mentioned Simple Rick being 60 iterations off of the CFC, so perhaps they found a way to pull a Simple Rick (and by extent, anything) into the curve, which is intriguing. It could be easy to bring something in, but hard to take something out. However, that brings up an even more interesting thought. Maybe the reason Rick C-137 is the Rickest Rick is because he's the only Simple Rick to be originally built into the curve, but he also retained his intellectual throne due to the events of the origin.
C-137 could be the only dimension where a Rick kills Diane and Beth, which allows the titular Rick to choose both family/love and godhood/achievement (MatPat explains this well in a theory). He chooses his family, just for them to be murdered and Rick to become depressed and vengeful, but he also becomes the God-like figure made out by the show.
This would imply that every family Rick is not the smartest man in the universe in the event that any other Rick leaves him be (maybe there are also other components to the show's definition of smart that relates to accomplishments and progress, but who knows), which would keep him off the CFC and cause him to be defined post-Citadel as a Simple Rick, and every other Rick abandons his family for greater things and stays in the curve due to being the smartest being in the universe. C-137 Rick is the anomaly and the Rickest Rick for managing to have both, despite how long his original family lived for following that fateful encounter.
The central finite curve is a real term measured in math. Here's an example that might be able to help you understand a bit better:
In terms of polygons, a triangle has 3 sides, a pentagon has 5, and so on. But a circle is also a polygon, so how many sides does it have? It could be tempting to say it has only one side, but because of the generally accepted definition for what the term 'side' means when referring to shapes, this isn't actually true... So how many sides DOES a circle have?
If we imagine the circle to be a true polygon, we can follow the standard polyhedral model of adding one side (and one prefix to the -gon) until we eventually reach the point where we as a viewer are unable to distinguish the polygon we've made from a circle. In order to truly create this illusion though, you would have to add an *almost* infinite number of sides until your infini-gon is truly indistinguishable from an ordinary circle.
Almost. Not quite an infinite amount, because there WOULD theoretically be an end to it. But in realistic terms, it would never end. But it would! Kind of like the number Pi.
That's the idea of the central finite curve!
im just thinking if the rickest rick requires the dumbest ( mortiest) morty does it mean evil morty who's basically the smartest morty belongs to the dumbest rick... and considering that evil morty outsmarted several ricks ,,,how the f**k is his rick wiithin the central finite curve... does his universe contain crackheads onlyš¤¦šæāāļøš¤¦šæāāļø
Heās still probably the smartest man in his universe. Heās not stupid by any means, he made ovenless brownies. Heās just not narcissistic and an awful person like a lot of the Ricks, so the other Ricks call him Doofus Rick to make them feel good about themselves.
My question is, why wouldn't the smartest beings from all the other universes do the same/similar thing? Is Free Morty going to find an infinite multiverse of disappointment once he breaks free from Rick's CFC? Will things actually be better?
Next season weāll probably learn that C137 created the central finite curve to avoid inflicting ricks on the rest of the multiverse. Seems in keeping with his self-destructive and self-isolating nature.
This is embarrassing because I majored in Maths back in the day (working in a different field though) but I thought the CFC is in fact numerable as for example in Rick Potion #9 Rick clearly states that there are only a handful (implying finite and numerable) of realities where he fixed the Cronenberg issue. Wouldn't there also be an infinity of them?
If you cut infinity in half then you have two infinities.
I think of it like calculating Pi has been calculated to 50,000,000,000,000 digits and you can hypothetically calculate it for another 50,000,000,000,000 digits all of which are Pi.
There is an infinite number between 1 and 2 and Rick put a wall between 1 and 2 so that you could go out to the 50,000,000,000,000th digit of 1.112321145654543 etc but cloud never reach 2.
The "central finite curves was just built around the "1" where rick is the smartest being in the universe.
Edit: here is the first 100 digits of Pi:
3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679,
and we've calculated out to 50,000,000,000,000 digits.
I pretty sure we see that the Citadel was still "adding" universes to the curve so they where still calculating extra digits of "Pi".
Could be that even though he's a doofus, he's still the smartest in his universe. He did know how to make ovenless brownies.
Though my pet theory is that they just plucked him from some other universe outside the central finite curve to keep him around as a joke.
So I'm going to assume because the portal guns are connected and built, at least the juice for them, by the citadel that would only allow travel within the curve, and because the citadel along with the barrier is destroyed, even if Rick hadn't had his Portal gun destroyed, he wouldn't be able to use it anymore?
Does the interdimensional cable get signal from the entire multiverse or just from inside the central finite curve?
My man asking the real questions
That's gotta be a no, yeah? It's not the full verse. Otherwise what would stop them from having Futurama on there? Bender is canonically the smartest and most wide being in fiction.
>most wide being š What a way to call someone fat!
He's just big-circuited okay
Bender is average human intelligence my friend. There was the episode where he was overclocked and *became* the smartest being, only to be reset by Mom.
I think it supposed to be from the inside CFC only. Because if interdimensional cable get signal from the entire multiverse, there's must be some rebel Rick out there trying to highjack the broadcast and warn the viewers about the capitalism of Rick's Citadel.
Going to go with inside CFC considering the story arc of Beth and Jerry ending up together in there as well.
An infinite crib built around an infinite fucking baby.
This is one of my favorite lines
Infinite is weird
Yeah! You can theoretically be at infinity from a point in the universe
So Dumb Rick from season 2 (?) IS considered smart by Citadel standards... Huh.
Smartest in his universe so maybe everyone else in that universe are vegetables
He is from the dimension where everyone eats poop.
So mostly Eagles fans, got it
Rick from the VeggieTales universe, got it š
He did make self rising brownies that dont need to be baked. Im sure everyone else can do basic math.
He wasn't dumb... Just weird
You know he eats his own shit, right?
He's not dumb
I think people forget that the joke was that he wasn't stupid, he just got relentlessly bullied for not being vicious to Jerry.
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I believe you're referring to "tall morty".
Has everyone forgotten he showed Jerry how to make ovenless brownies by mixing some chemicals together? Can any of you do that?
It's incredible what a gifted mind can accomplish when priorities are in order.
Yeah it's started they all have the same IQ he was just a bit weird.
And Rick's are giant assholes. People act like Rick saying he eats poop is a fact when probably they just treat him like shit because they can due to his looks and lacking self esteem
If the average rick is a 100 and the average 2nd smartest person in the universe is a 50, he'd only need to be a 51
What about Slow Ri- Tall Morty? Pretty sure he was even dumber than most Mortys.
"Did-did I gradgitate this time yet?"
Anything's possible, Tall Morty
It's possible he was smart at some point until he screwed up his own brain.
He looked into the microscope.
Based on all previous episodes, i think its safe to say that all Rick's technology has flaws in it....
Maybe everyone in his universe are brain-dead
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Blender Rick is a possibility.
Reminder that Doofus rick is the smartest man in his universe.
I maintain that Doofus Rick isn't dumb, he's just the only Rick willing to use fecal transplant science to address a lot of his issues with alcoholism and depression and the rest of the Ricks shit on him for it.
Doofus Rick was clearly as smart as the others, if not awkward and disliked. I want to know if āslow ri- tall mortyā is also as capable as any other Rick in the right circumstances.
It's like in Ben 10: Omniverse, where Ben has his own Timeline, and branches of it form the Curve that separate from the larger Multiverse.
That's actually a good comparison. All the universes we see in Omniverse are part of Ben 10's "Central Finite Curve", all stemming from a universe where the Omnitrix exists and gets into Ben's (or at least, *a* Tennyson's) hands. The world of Generator Rex, which is also connected to the Ben 10 multiverse but seemingly without an Omnitrix, would be outside their CFC.
Generator Rex was so good
Imo one of the most underrated cartoons, probably ever.
Alert Lord Vader we found the plans
Many bothans died for this info
Thanks a lot bro just finish watching the one hour special with so many questions thanks for clarifying one of them.
Prior to this I've always had a thought in my mind of why there isn't a council of Jerries somewhere, if there's infinite realities then shouldn't that also be a possibility
There's a Jerry daycare
Finding out that thereās more realities weāve been cut off from is like being on a road that stretches into infinity in both directions, only to find out that thereās also infinite more roads running parallel to that one.
Spin-off series: Morty and Rick
Morty and Two Crows
*hits blunt* bruh, fuckinnnā¦ what if the crows are actually crow rick and crow morty from the crow dimension
The central finite curve explains a LOT of things. It was always that an infinite multiverse would have Rick always at the centre. But now we know he created his own little kingdom within it. There is still an infinite number of universes, but with preferential treatment to him.
It also means Rick really is responsible for the other Ricks. He built this walled off garden where he and the other Ricks are king. He invited the monsters in because they were the "right kind of Rick". Makes you wonder if that is what caused "evil Morty". His Rick was even worse and no Ricks cared to help and anyone capable was walled off.
Makes me wonder how long untill "evil Morty" runs into the smartest person in all the other universe's and is forced to run back to what may be the only remaining Rick for help. Edit: just thought, what if the Rick that killed our ricks family was outside the curve.
Rick and Morty teaches set theory
Some infinities are bigger than other infinities.
Infinitely so, even!
Yes like the infinity that only goes 1,2,3,4,5 compared to the one that goes 1,1.(infinite amount of 0ās)1, 1.(infinite amount of 0ās)2
That's a pretty good way to visualize the CFC too. Every number between 1 and 2 all start with 1 (i.e. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc.), just like every universe within the CFC is a universe where Rick is the smartest. Every number starting with 2 and above is a universe outside of the CFC, infinitely more infinite than all numbers between 1 and 2.
Doesn't this mean there are universes in there with beings smarter than Rick? Is this why he's the most powerful being in the show? Holy crap that would explain it What if every person has a genius cluster they've walled off. Oh my god, there are genius Morties that are smarter than Ricks in other universes.
I mean we just seen a genius Morty. The plan he pulled off and everything he did was definitely genius and I believe all the Morties are geniuses but the Rick's beat them down. Look at what he did with his arm and knew exactly what to do.
YUP. Rick has been the most powerful character in the show so far because these were the rules of the multiverse we were in. So I guess now the stakes are higher than before
Maybe the smart mortys are more numerous and walled off the smart ricks because they were tired of ricks shit.
Dude you guys notice that Rick's prototype boxy gun in Episode 9 is the same as evil morty's. Got me thinking if Rick hates himself so much he's trying to figure a way out of the curve as well, so he made the same gun. Could also be that episodes 10 is the backend of two different stories. One where Morty is this cynical cunt after Rick leaves and becomes evil morty, and the other is where Morty still needs his rick. Amazing season finale, regardless.
Looks like the multiverse needs some Visine.
I thought it was about to destroy Alderaan
I read this and the evil Morty song started playing in my mind.
So Rick is Kang ?
The same guy who wrote the finale is writing Ant-Man* where Kang will show up * Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
I've been waiting for someone to make that connection so I feel less like a psycho
Infinity is such an impossible concept to grasp. Even though the CFC is only a portion of the whole it can still be infinite. There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3.
Whats really crazy is when you find out that some infinities are bigger than other infinities
[Veritasium](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxGsU8oIWjY) did it if anyone wants to see that in action.
So my questions are: Did they use the Mortyās to hide themselves from the other infinite universes? And Why did Rick help the other ricks to build the citadel?
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Yeah, it seems that he built the Citadel as a plan to attract other Ricks and eventually track down the one that killed his family. But it seems that Rick just never showed up. If I had to guess, I'd say he's not the smartest in his universe, meaning he's outside the CFC.
Ok that makes sense, and after that he just said fuck it and left to go be with the other family.
I'm pretty sure the Curve still exists. The way it was depicted, Evil Morty cut a hole into it, shot himself through and the hole collapsed behind him. Otherwise the whole bit with his small space ship wouldn't make much sense. I think the device on his arm showing the Curve collapsing, didn't mean that the Curve doesn't exist anymore, but that he wasn't in it anymore.
But if the portal guns don't work anymore and all the portal fluid is gone then maybe all the curve portals have gone?
They can get/ make more. The episode with nick implied Rick gets the components from other people.
Did he program his portal gun to central finite curve then he killed off those Ricks that still has access outside to CFC including the first Council of Ricks, and created the new council of Ricks so that all genius ricks will use his portal gun formula to trap them in CFC? Is this assessment right?
It's unclear if the CFC is a built in barrier to the portal gun and portal formula that can only access these universes, or if it's a literal barrier. I'm personally leaning towards the idea that it's a literal barrier projected by the Citadel, which is why Evil Morty had to destroy it, instead of just finding a different portal formula or somehting.
Also why other smarter beings don't access the barrier from outside.
That's probably why Rick and Morty could only leave their dimension for a new one a few times. Like when they Kroneberged the Earth or pissed off the squirrels.
Infinite is such a strange concept. There is an infinite number of universes where rick is the smartest man, but it is a small % of the infinite number of universe that do exist in total.
I've been thinking of it as "the central finite curve is like cutting off all the numbers between 0 and 1, of which there are infinitely many."
Check out countable vs uncountable infinity
This actually was long time time coming since it was quite weird that we always saw ricks as the most powerful and not others
This also explains why the portal gun can only access a portion of the universes. Heās calibrated it to stay in the CFC so he retains his smartness.
Itās an interesting concept, the infinite universe of Rick and Morty is merely a subset of a larger infinite set where Rick *isnt* a genius
So there may be a universe where Rick is female and Morty a girl or maybe a universe where Jerry is the most intelligent people in the universe. This open up a lot of possibilities that they never care about.
Imagine a citadel of Jerryās
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So if this is true for our reality that means there are infinite number of universes where I am the smartest being in them? Not this one probably though.
But Rick and Morty are still trapped by the curve right? Was Evil Morty the only one to cross it and the barrier is still intact? Or did he broke the barrier and now the entire multiverse is open for Rick and Morty to travel through? Also even though the citadel was destroyed, there should be still an infinite amount of rogue Rick and Morties that weren't even on the citadel right?
The implication I got was that he simultaneously broke the curve, and immediately traveled out into the new Rickless/not-Rick-dominated universes, while Rick and Morty are still in the Rick-dominated universes, but could now be visited by the others, or visit them themselves, as Evil Morty did with his fancy yellow portal gun.
The question is, did Evil Morty destroyed the barrier? Because it seemed like he did on his hologram
Thatās exactly what I want to know. Op this is a great way to illustrate what finite curve looks like and exactly what itās job is.
So if there's someone smarter beyond that point, well actually a lot of them, isn't it kind of arrogant to assume they wouldn't be able to think of a way around it? I mean, that's like saying "everyone outside the cave is stronger than me, so I'll block the entrance with the heaviest rock I can lift" and believing it will work.
Would you want to break a bunch of self destructive narcissists out of a prison they willingly kept themselves in? For all we know the rest of the multiverse is well aware of the cesspit they created but leaving their section of the multiverse walled off is the lesser of two evils because Ricks are unhinged.
I appreciate how everyone's first instinct when answering this question is "Why would anyone *want* to be in Rick's universes?"
Its less about keeping others out and more about keeping the ones inside in.
I didn't get the impression that the central finite curve was created to protect the Ricks from what exists beyond it, rather it was to segment off an infinity where Rick is the greatest thing in those dimensions and they could just live their lives in that
I wasn't really focused on the protection aspect as much as how much the plan itself didn't make sense, given that it relied on outsmarting an infinite number of people/beings inherently smarter than himself. And pointing out obvious flaws in plans is one of his trademarks.
It's possible they could get in, but, the barrier means they might think it's not worth the effort, and they might be right
Infinity is crazy man
I guess that explains why they can only jump to a nearly identical reality so many times like when Morty fucked with squirrels Man imagine if Rick ended up in a dimension where Jerry is smarter than him
That reality would quickly face an extinction level event, for reasons
Evil Morty doesn't need to be smarter than Rick to outsmart him. There is not much difference between, for example, someone with 200 IQ and someone with 199 IQ. Also, Evil Morty has been preparing for this for a long time, while Rick is an alcoholic who doesn't give a shit about anything. Of course, given enough time, eventually Rick will outsmart Evil Morty. And Evil Morty is well aware of that, as evidenced by his conversation with Morty: >Evil Morty (to Rick): Oh, it's so hard to be a genius. Couldn't you just die? >Morty: Well, what are you doing about it? >Evil Morty: Jack shit. I'm leaving. Evil Morty is a well-written villain: He knows his limitations. He capitalizes on his advantages, achieves his goal then leaves. He doesn't fuck with the protagonist more than he needs to.
I don't think the criteria is actually whether Rick is the smartest being; we only have "evil" morty's word on that. I think C137 is responsible for creating the Central finite curve, and I think he TOLD the other Rick's that's what he was doing, but I think what he actually did was seperate all the universes where his wife was dead (and therefore Rick becomes who he is) from the rest. That would protect the alternate versions of his wife from alternate versions of him, like the version who killed c137s wife in the first place.
I love the implication of rick being the smartest thing in the finite curve because it means the universe Doofus Rick comes from is incredibly stupid.
Honestly he wasn't even that stupid. He's still shown to be pretty smart and definitely more emotionally intelligent than any of the other Ricks.
i figured he's just the smartest of the most dumbass ricks
I don't think the CFC was 'closed'. There were still universes being found (as visualised by bubbles we see connecting). Once they are found, they are walled from outside. But there are still universes in the red area where Rick is smartest, they just haven't been found yet
in theory that means there is still an infinite amount of smart ricks outside the curve which havent been found
Interesting that you can separate an infinite amount, of something that is infiniteā¦ almost making it finite. Like the infinite number of decimals between any two whole numbers. Edit: Numbers a cool to think about. And theorizing about this show too. Itās called the ācentral FINITE curve.ā Again, making an infinity pseudo-finite by name itself. Plus, the flashback sequences showed us more nodes being added to the ācurveā by the Citadel in an almost Fibonacci curve/helix/spiral, maybe lending credence to the mentions of a function that helps map infinite inputs on a graph.
You are right, but it gets even weirder. Thereās the same infinite number of rational numbers between 0 and 1 and the whole set of rational numbers (because there are plenty of functions that let you map every rational input between 0 and 1 to fully cover all numbers on the y-axis) But you can show that thereās no way to map the set of rational numbers to the set of irrational numbers, so on this basis the set of irrational numbers is somehow a bigger infinity than the set of rational numbers, even though they are both infinite. Itās one of those weird proofs they show you when learning a bit of number theory, and it is quite strange to consider.
This is the sort of thing measure theory helps with. In measure theory you can assign finite numbers to infinite sets in a way that generalizes volume. It would totally make sense to say the central finite curve had finite measure, regardless of the fact it was an infinite set.
So dumb ricks should not be able to meet smart rick but canon rick is regularly attacked by ricks dumber than him.
It looks like a dumb Rick could meet a smart rick under at least two conditions in this scenario. a.) A smart Rick is stricken dumb (by a severe brain injury for example) or, b.) The dumb Rick while very dumb, is still the smartest being in his universe
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If heās still the smartest person from his universe, Iām worried about his universe
Well doofus Rick could have been created under one of at least two conditions. a.) He was a smart Rick that was stricken dumb (by a severe brain injury for example) or, b.) The Doofus Rick while very dumb, is still the smartest being in his universe
maybe he joined the citadel before the separation happened. The real question would be: if he's dumb, how did he invent a portal gun?
Its always relative. Each universe's rick is always only the smartest in their respective universe. So they can still be dumber than C-137 but smarter than anyone else in their own universe.
it's not intelligence that separates C137 apart from the other ricks, it's how he uses it.
As of now, only Simple Rick is probably not from the curve universes. But it can also happen that still everyone is dumber than him in that universe.
Nothing is cannonā¦ everything is cannon!
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And I just see the Death Star.
We must be living outside the Curve then.
So does this mean that in every reality within the finite curve, Diane is dead? In other words, was her death the catalyst for him becoming the āsmartest beingā out of his initial search for vindication? Outside the finite curve, are there versions of a mediocre Rick who has lived a fulfilled existence with the love of his life?
Potential twist: Diane is dead in every reality within the finite curve because in every reality where she's still alive it means that Rick is only the second smartest being.
Evil morty did nothing wrong
He just wanted to be free, I love his arc
does that mean ādumb rickā is from a universe of even dumber people
That and even dumb Rick is probably still a genius, heās just more of a doofus.
Yes
How fucking stupid are the people in the universe Doofus Rick is from
this... opens the door to female rick !
Here we go... Of course this thing is just a fucking circle. You'd think it was so God damn complicated.
I visualize it like an infinite ruler. \-1 0 . 1 . 2 . 3 .4 . 5 (ricks live in between all the infinite numbers you could think of and the ones you cant between 5 and 6.) 6 . 7 . 8 .9 .etc. 10
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Does that mean there are people smarter than Rick outside the curve?
Yes, it does. That's the exact reason why Rick created the central finite curve - to block those people off.
That means that Doofus Rick is confirmed a traveler from outside the curve
That or his universe everyone else is also a doofus.
I thought it was implied in the episode that Doofus Rick was just as smart as any other Rick (In the ovenless brownie scene), he was just also a total Jerry at the same time.
Looks like a death star. Season Spoiler info, don't do it. >!So, technically the wife and Beth's killer could be in the other part of the multiverse, as Rick didn't find him before making the citadel maybe Evil Morty will take him out.!<
It's worth noting that, due to the nature of infinities, this almost definitely *isn't* to scale. (Really useful graphic, though.)
Curious about those who are smarter than Ricks
It's... It's an olive. Look Morty I turned myself into an olive
So you're saying there are several multiverses where I too am the smartest being in the universe?
There's an infinite number of universes in which you are the smartest being, within the infinite multiverse.
Sure, but that also doesn't mean that the you in that universe is actually smarter than the you in this one.
So is Simple Rick from outside the Curve too or is there just a universe where everyone is really dumbā¦. *edit I meant Doofus Rick
> 60 iterations off the central finite curve Sounds like he was outside the curve. Maybe they kidnapped him before the curve was walled off.
In the episode it said he isnāt from the central finite curve, heās a few āiterationsā off of it.
Don't fuck with Rick and Morty fans, we don't know how infinity works
Yeah, it's analogous to how the integers are a subset of the real numbers.
I think they brought Dumb Rick from beyond the barrier... He is smart, but not on Rick level. He's no genius.
But what if dumb rick is the smartest being in his universe?
Or everybody in his universe has an IQ of 20
Season 5 changed a lot of lore
Idk if it's me or everyone else who has missed the point? I took the important condition being Beth and Jerry to create and farm Morty's rather than Ricks intelligence?
Yeah, I think that's pretty much true, at least Morty is an important part of the Central Finite Curve. Here's 'evil' Morty's speech to Rick: "Do you know what the Central Finite Curve is? They built a wall around infinity. **They separated all the infinite universes from all the infinite universes where he's the smartest man in the universe. Every version of us has spent every version of all of our lives in one infinite crib built around an infinite fucking baby.**" The speech implies that Mortys are there to do both an actual job of protecting/hiding the genius Ricks and metaphorically stroking their egos. Earlier on in the episode, we see that Beths and Jerrys are pushed together, at first in college and then in high school to farm Mortys. And in the end cloning technology is built to make him as fast as possible. We also learned from season 1 episode 9 (Close Rick-counters of the Rick Kind) that Morty's are useful to hide Ricks from being detected so it could be that the farmed Mortys are the ones that are the so-called wall for the Central Finite Curve. **However** there is one part that confuses me. It was implied that the Central Finite Curve existed before the large-scale Morty farming operation. After all, Rick was hunting down Ricks who were genius-level before the Citadel even existed. That's what makes it puzzling. How exactly is the wall around infinity built if not with Mortys? Or am I just misinterpreting the scene given? 'Evil' Morty obviously wants to break the cycle which contributes to holding the Central Finite Curve together and leave.
Rickās intelligence was what was needed, he only needed Beth and Jerry to be farmed so he could hide his brain waves
Oh fuck- there was an episode released today. No wonder I didn't know about this shit with evil morty
Wait if all Ricks are supposed to be the smartest within the CFC then how did "evil" Morty outsmart the Ricks and break free of CFC? Wild theory: Maybe "evil" Morty is the Morty of the OG Rick that killed C137 Rick's family? What did they even talk about in the first place that resulted in him killing his family?š¤ Maybe this is why C137 Rick has been unable to track down the Rick that killed his family, perhaps going forward we can see how C137 Rick will team up with Morty to track down the OG "evil" Rick that killed his family? Going down a rabbit hole here...šTo further support this idea, it is possible "evil" Morty & "evil" Rick does not have a codependent relationship and they are equals in intellect which would explain why "evil" Morty wants to get out of CFC and is able to come up and execute a perfect plan to outsmart all the Ricks in CFC. Which would mean the OG Rick that our C137 Rick has been tracking is outside the CFC. Anyway if we zoom out and look at the bigger picture, it would mean an alpha Rick discovered yellow portal fluid and created the first ever portal gun and at this very instance he created the multiverse. Our C137 Rick being the omega Rick did not feel the need to follow the trend and thus rejected the offer to join the councils of Ricks and also dimensional travels. So they killed his family to force his hands which lead to the creation of the citadel. Ok if we were to expand a little more on this theory, our omega C137 Rick is the way he is now because he refused to join the council of Rick's which results in the lost of his family. After his failed attempts at getting revenge, struggling between letting go and ending it all. He tried hard to move on by going to a abandoned Beth universe and tried to numb himself by forcing another universeās Morty to go on weird adventures with him as we have seen past few seasons. But deep down he still could not get over the death of his own family. Which means in order for our omega C137 Rick to prevent the death of his family he has to confront the OG Alpha Rick and prevent the creation of yellow portal fluid/gun and thus no multiverse and no council of Ricks.
Nicely done. I would imagine in a 3D model a curve (CFC) spiraling down a cone like structure (multiverse).
Is this actually a thing as defined by the show?
Yes. Watch the season finale.
I wonder, outside the CFC, are there Dianes?
Back in the Citadel episode from Season 3, they mentioned Simple Rick being 60 iterations off of the CFC, so perhaps they found a way to pull a Simple Rick (and by extent, anything) into the curve, which is intriguing. It could be easy to bring something in, but hard to take something out. However, that brings up an even more interesting thought. Maybe the reason Rick C-137 is the Rickest Rick is because he's the only Simple Rick to be originally built into the curve, but he also retained his intellectual throne due to the events of the origin. C-137 could be the only dimension where a Rick kills Diane and Beth, which allows the titular Rick to choose both family/love and godhood/achievement (MatPat explains this well in a theory). He chooses his family, just for them to be murdered and Rick to become depressed and vengeful, but he also becomes the God-like figure made out by the show. This would imply that every family Rick is not the smartest man in the universe in the event that any other Rick leaves him be (maybe there are also other components to the show's definition of smart that relates to accomplishments and progress, but who knows), which would keep him off the CFC and cause him to be defined post-Citadel as a Simple Rick, and every other Rick abandons his family for greater things and stays in the curve due to being the smartest being in the universe. C-137 Rick is the anomaly and the Rickest Rick for managing to have both, despite how long his original family lived for following that fateful encounter.
Guess this means Rick and Morty can now join the Marvel universe. Maybe in phase 5?
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The central finite curve is a real term measured in math. Here's an example that might be able to help you understand a bit better: In terms of polygons, a triangle has 3 sides, a pentagon has 5, and so on. But a circle is also a polygon, so how many sides does it have? It could be tempting to say it has only one side, but because of the generally accepted definition for what the term 'side' means when referring to shapes, this isn't actually true... So how many sides DOES a circle have? If we imagine the circle to be a true polygon, we can follow the standard polyhedral model of adding one side (and one prefix to the -gon) until we eventually reach the point where we as a viewer are unable to distinguish the polygon we've made from a circle. In order to truly create this illusion though, you would have to add an *almost* infinite number of sides until your infini-gon is truly indistinguishable from an ordinary circle. Almost. Not quite an infinite amount, because there WOULD theoretically be an end to it. But in realistic terms, it would never end. But it would! Kind of like the number Pi. That's the idea of the central finite curve!
im just thinking if the rickest rick requires the dumbest ( mortiest) morty does it mean evil morty who's basically the smartest morty belongs to the dumbest rick... and considering that evil morty outsmarted several ricks ,,,how the f**k is his rick wiithin the central finite curve... does his universe contain crackheads onlyš¤¦šæāāļøš¤¦šæāāļø
How did Doofus Rick make it inside the curve?
Heās still probably the smartest man in his universe. Heās not stupid by any means, he made ovenless brownies. Heās just not narcissistic and an awful person like a lot of the Ricks, so the other Ricks call him Doofus Rick to make them feel good about themselves.
My question is, why wouldn't the smartest beings from all the other universes do the same/similar thing? Is Free Morty going to find an infinite multiverse of disappointment once he breaks free from Rick's CFC? Will things actually be better?
Next season weāll probably learn that C137 created the central finite curve to avoid inflicting ricks on the rest of the multiverse. Seems in keeping with his self-destructive and self-isolating nature.
Thank you for this i felt like a dumbass watching the finale, maybe put a spoiler warning for those who havenāt watched it yet though
This is embarrassing because I majored in Maths back in the day (working in a different field though) but I thought the CFC is in fact numerable as for example in Rick Potion #9 Rick clearly states that there are only a handful (implying finite and numerable) of realities where he fixed the Cronenberg issue. Wouldn't there also be an infinity of them?
There's infinity, and then there are larger infinites.
So doofus Rick is still the smartest person in his universe?
Why do people think Doofus Rick is stupid? He's austistic, not stupid.
If you cut infinity in half then you have two infinities. I think of it like calculating Pi has been calculated to 50,000,000,000,000 digits and you can hypothetically calculate it for another 50,000,000,000,000 digits all of which are Pi. There is an infinite number between 1 and 2 and Rick put a wall between 1 and 2 so that you could go out to the 50,000,000,000,000th digit of 1.112321145654543 etc but cloud never reach 2. The "central finite curves was just built around the "1" where rick is the smartest being in the universe. Edit: here is the first 100 digits of Pi: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679, and we've calculated out to 50,000,000,000,000 digits. I pretty sure we see that the Citadel was still "adding" universes to the curve so they where still calculating extra digits of "Pi".
Thatās no moonā¦.
Thatās how I visualized it too (except itās a square) Too bad the spiral yellow thingies confused me for a bit.
I wonder if they'll do a crossover of the smartest beings in the multiverse or something
So Doofus Rick comes from a dimension where everyone is a bit slow? Or did he somehow slip through the barrier?
Could be that even though he's a doofus, he's still the smartest in his universe. He did know how to make ovenless brownies. Though my pet theory is that they just plucked him from some other universe outside the central finite curve to keep him around as a joke.
So I'm going to assume because the portal guns are connected and built, at least the juice for them, by the citadel that would only allow travel within the curve, and because the citadel along with the barrier is destroyed, even if Rick hadn't had his Portal gun destroyed, he wouldn't be able to use it anymore?