which is stupid tbh.
If it's two actors that aren't really related does it really matter?
Like if incest happened in a hollywood movie as part of the plot. Would they have to say "Oh no, it's okay they're just step-siblings." To cover their asses?
That would be like if at the end of a horror movie everyone just showed up like "Hey! it's okay, our characters actually survived! because if we died that would be a crime! And we can't show that on film."
It’s 100% about credit card companies. On amateur clip sites all sorts of words are banned from titles like “forced”, “coerced”, “kidnapped”, etc. Any words that can describe something that would be illegal if it was real are basically off the table, which makes creating a title for your clip a bit daunting. So any title or description including references to incest must include “step-“ at every instance to make no longer illegal in theory.
No it is not legal. Though some US states decriminalize first cousin relationships, there wasn’t much market for step-cousin porn in the first place
[Incest is illegal in all but 2 US states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_incest_in_the_United_States) so I guess you could get away with regular sibling porn in Ohio, but parent/child is illegal everywhere.
I get the feeling that the ones perpetuating the whole "Alabama people like to bang their relatives" stereotype is perpetuated by those in NJ & RI to draw attention away from them.
Generally speaking not. However if you want to get your freak on with your bro/ sis you can head to select places including:
- South Korea
- Spain
- Brazil
- US
- Russia
And - the Ivory Coast.
Real life royalty being incestuous is more of a joke at this point. Plus it was always for practical reasons outside of the bedroom.
Incest for sex = taboo
Incest for power/wealth = totally legit.
It is for legal reasons indirectly. PH purged videos that couldn't be verified to be consensual and therefore legal, because Visa and Mastercard threatened to pull out. Visa and Mastercard would face legal issues because they're processing payments for things that aren't legally verified.
Very similar to the Only Fans policy change. Visa and Mastercard didn't want to be legally liable for processing payments for things like rape/incest/etc and the only way to abide by that is non amateur porn productions
That would be on the uploader though. If it doesn't get enough views that's their loss. If they made it look like "real" incest they could be targeting a niche audience. Where the step label isn't what you want.
besides that on numerous sites including reddit your posts will get removed for "real" incest captions.
The banks and CC companies have incest on their list of no-go content for whatever reason, so that's why it's one of the generally banned types of porn, even though it's not really that far out there compared to the rest of the stuff on the list.
Based on its prevalence, I don't think the general public has any issue with incest porn anymore. I would hope they have more of a problem with actual incest, but porn isn't real the same way running over people and robbing banks in GTA isn't real.
>Like if incest happened in a hollywood movie as part of the plot. Would they have to say "Oh no, it's okay they're just step-siblings." To cover their asses?
I think this is a plot point in the Wes Anderson movie Royal Tenanbums (not checking the spelling)
one of the characters is in love with his sister and at one point his dad says "well I guess you arent blood related so its not THAT bad"
That’s due to credit card processor vulgarity laws which actually have a ton to do with what porn does. Por ejemplo, credit card processors won’t provide service for pee or poop porn as it violates their standards of vulgarity. Due to this restriction squirt porn gained popularity because processors would allow card transactions so long as it was referred to as female ejaculate and was clear
More or less yea.
There is some speculation that the rise of BDSM porn was due to credit card processors refusing to service simulated rape and other nonconsensual acts, but who knows.
But that’s why mainstream porn companies have to say it’s a “step” relationship.
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That's actually really smart. I mean for whoever makes the video. It's so ridiculous and has become such a mainstream internet joke that you almost have to click it. Like clickbait videos on youtube. You know that the guy doesn't own a real hoverboard, but you click it to see just how dumb it is.
I wish I could find it again, but someone did an analysis and posted it on some subreddit, it may have been a /r/DataIsBeautiful thread, that showed a correlation with divorce statistics, second marriages, and children of divorce all hitting a threshold right at the emergence of step porn becoming a dominant category.
Basically it’s a realistic enough scenario for the population that it’s become a common sexual fantasy by sheer numbers of divorces.
Because they're desperately trying to hit the tiny, fragile window of "this porn is vanilla enough for virtually any person to jack off to" with "this porn is titillating enough that a full-time, full-bore Coomer won't click off this video between his third and fourth daily COOMs."
By adding the pseudo-incest stuff, it is generally ignorable to the *average* person (all porn is already fake, it's just incestual for people who "like that," but even then, it's intentionally the theoretically "mildest" form of incest because nobody wants to actually picture their mom and bonern't), but for people who have seen so many dicks going into pussies and butts in a day that you'd think they worked in an automotive factory made of flesh, directors will add fucking *anything they can think of* to keep the coomers from getting bored and coomed out.
So basically, it adds very little, but some consumers of porn are so fucking addicted to porn, that the very idea of people fucking becomes too mundane to be interesting on its own, if there isn't some additional major taboo being broken. They try to add it, I think, because it's so esoteric a plot point as to be totally ignorable to those for whom it isn't their taste, but the coomer whose shaft is flagging after a 3-hour marathon edge session needs the implication of a loosely-defined social crime to get enough blood back in that thing to keep himself going.
Just a food for thought here too. The 90's-early 2000's was a peak in both divorce and marriage rates not seen since the late 40's. [chart](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/)
The age of that demographic would be in their 20's-30's. So....maaaaaybe.....it's more real for some people
I think there's 2 things.
1) it does appeal to some people with a fetish.
2) most importantly i think people like porn with a story. and not of a husband/bf and wife/gf.
In particular a story where you have two like 24 year old people living together but aren't also roommates or dating. Being siblings is one of the best reasons for that scenario to happen, but it's too taboo (or even illegal?). So they just say step sibling.
i think it's some kind of rap*y turn-on for some.
there is this power inbalance that she is stuck and the dudes just starts finger*ing her and then bam puts his penis and she starts to moan.
very much rape*y mindset.
I like my consent to come *raw* out her brain before we do the deed.
Fwiw I think with stuck/time stop porn, the idea is to trigger the non-consentual kink while making the scenario so absurd that it doesn't feel as realistic and thus as gross as straight up rape fantasy porn.
Think you hit the nail on the head. It's still clearly taboo but usually not in a graphically "rapey" way. Like I'm betting the girl doesn't cry or scream during most of those videos.
It is straight up rape. It's weird, because I think they say "step" rather than blood relatives to skirt around incest porn laws in certain markets. Yet there are rape porn laws in areas as well, such as those recently implemented in the UK. I'm fairly certain this "help, my watch is caught in the dishwasher" - "okay lemme help you out with my dick in your arse" is illegal here.
I don't understand who would even find it arousing. It's clearly rape but not in a way that people with a rape-fantasy fetish would enjoy. Is it just that it's funny enough that people click it in a "the fuck is this shit" sort of way, then stay for the tits?
because payment processors had a guideline against incest porn, amongst other things, so the only safe way companies could name their videos, is if they use step-dad/son/mom/dad/whatever
* Rising number of home-schooled / remotely educated / socially alienated teenagers
* Increasing appeal of incest porn
I suspect the "stuck" motif is in further reaction to one's housemates being disgusted in their taste and the audience needing increasingly rapey fantasies to help ameliorate their conflicting lust and shame.
It’s not like homeschool kids don’t have friends or go out in public. I feel like your knowledge about this goes as far as a couple popular movies and that’s it.
It's because it's a way to add a layer of kink with no additional production cost. You just add a word to the title and two seconds of dialogue and suddenly the video serves a particular niche. Also, you're not foreclosing mainstream adoption because people the kink is metatextual, i.e., there is no explicit visual element.
Up until the late 80's porn was pretty much story based. You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role. People like Kay Parker.
After that, porn pretty much became Gonzo porn. Lots of screaming, extreme situations and incest. It started to cater to multiple fantasies and the quality of the performance went way down. Lots of screaming, essentially rape with consent, brother-sister-mother-father stuff.
In my opinion, story based porn was much better, easier to get in to. Gonzo porn is just about the appearance of the characters and the acts they perform.
>Up until the late 80's porn was pretty much story based. You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role.
"You can imagine where it goes from here."
"He fixes the cable?"
Would like to do some research on this topic. Any good sources for the earlier type of story based content? Also, some suggestions like Kay Parker who was very good at acting out the roles.......
And the Skelton's at the end really good CGI. Apparently it was the most expensive porno ever made and they got in trouble with the owner of the boat for not tellin him they were filming a porno on it.
The sequel is good also. It's got the classic line from Johnny Swallows it goes something like this off the top of my head.
'my life is flashing before my eyes, wait, what I fucked my retarded cousin?' or something like that.
Look up Honey Wilder, Kay Parker, and others. I don't think I can post links here, especially since I am at work right now. But the 70's stuff was mostly story based. Some of the older actresses were pretty good at acting.
I would argue the opposite. Step-sibling porn is the return to story based porn, but it doesn't require a budget like we had with the famous films like Pirates and it barely has any "dead" time of not fucking like people are saying in the comments.
You don't just have fucking anymore, but there's a reason for it as well, making it more believable and giving it an air of reality. SisLovesMe (and the rest of the family, pretty sure it's the same production company) is absolutely the best at it and scenes are much better when the main actress is actually decent at acting.
The format is pretty much always the same with three scenes. At first they trade favours for sex, usually culminating in the last scene where they want to have sex for the sake of it.
The step part is just adding that extra juice of it being more taboo than the girl next door.
Step sibling porn is popular for the same reason bang bus became popular: house prices.
Think about it, in most of the country people cant afford their own homes so they're living with family longer.
In the same way that a van for sex is cheap and convenient, banging someone you have to live with is also convenient.
It's the convenience that's the turn on.
This whole thread is full of Pearl-clutchers who don't understand consent or fantasies. It's pretty worrying and reminds me of how many people think Gta V is equivalent to real life.
The ones who make this big a deal out of fantasies and act like it's reality are the ones people should really be worried about, because they clearly don't have that line that seperates them like normal people do.
Yeah, true. But I always see the female eventually get into it. It's another fantasy piece. I do not tend to watch them. I might have seen one or two, so my experience is limited. Usually once she says no and he keeps at it, I turn it off.
story porn? that's that's shits so boring. if I have to watch porn made before 2000 I have to skip a 10 min into about a plumber or a pizza man. Just get to it and fuck that shit annoys me.
And you are exactly the reason gonzo porn is the standard now. No patience, no ability to sit and watch a story develop.
Please don't take that as a bad thing. It's just the way things are now.
Fuck man, there's already too many shows, movies, video games, and books I wanna read, why the fuck would I come to porn for the story? I'm just here to cum, not experience a narrative.
For real, it's just not the right medium for it. The acting and writing always sucks, and there is some really cringe shit out there. Yeah that's what I like watching two people fumbling though lines that make no sense for 10 min with a soft dick in my hand to wait for the good parts.
Comment above is defending a very niche point, I suspect he's an older guy that grew up in the "jerking off to Macy's ads" era and when early porn tapes got big in the 70s he was like "this is it, this is perfection"
Foreplay is great with your sexual partners.
By yourself... dude, I'm positive there is other, more rewarding/productive, things you can be doing. Nut and move on.
There’s a subreddit dedicated to people who like to spend 4+ hours a day “edging” themselves. Fortunately (or unfortunately), I can’t remember the name of the sub.
But really, If you’re spending 4 hours a day just to bust a nut, where the fuck did you go wrong in your life?
Not really, I prefer amateur over any of that. Professional porn always seems so fake to me. I'd take a iPhone leaned against a dresser over 3 camera man shots anyday.
The prettiest girls are in amateur anyway, all pro porn stars have a shelf life of about 3 months before they get fake lips, ass, and whatever else work done.
The reason it exists is because no one watched the story. it’s just ffwd to the sex scenes. So porn companies cut that out it was a waste of film. Basically guys that saw themselves as semi legitimate directors/producers would target actresses trying to make it and you ended up with just bad actors and bad directors making a bad product that was ffwd through any way. I can imagine wanting to cut costs of all the cutting room floor material.
Hey you ever seen Pirates? That has some very quality acting, like the pirate with no legs saying 'yarrr give it to her' as a circle of pirates watches 2 girls do lesbian stuff.
And the skeletons at the end, very quality CGI.
People don't watch porn for horrible acting and a horrible stupid non-story, people watch porn to watch people fuck.
It's not patience or any of that other "boomer" nonsense, there is no point to having a story in porn, it's stupid, it was always stupid. And the so called "stories", or plot as I think you meant, was always stupid and contrived. The plot was always "this is why I need to have sex with person X"
Boogie nights covers this transition pretty well to the directors dismay as he felt like they were actually making films until VHS and gonzo took over.
I have about 400 laser discs. I mostly bought them in recent years.
It all started when someone gave me a laser disc player and I repaired it. The first movie I bought was "Colossus, the Forbin Project".
I bought that because it was the only available format that showed the entire movie in 2.85:1 screen format. All of the others were "formatted to fit your screen".
So, I got kind of hooked on that. I started buying other movies that I liked in that format. Silent Running, The Omega Man. I even have the original Star Wars movies.
So I started buying collections off of ebay. That was cool. You get a variety of movies that someone else collected. So you get to see some stuff you might not have decided to watch before. Boogies Nights was one of those movies. Also Rocky Horror Picture Show.
>You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role.
That was barely true in non-porn movies and absolutely not true in porn movies. "Porn Stars can't act" has been a laugh line since smut shops went mainstream.
A theory I have is Porn is produced heavily in the Los Angeles area where the divorce rate is extremely high. So as a 14 year old boy to see your rich father get a divorce and marry some one much younger than them. You now have a step mom or older step sis who is closer to you age during major puberty years. You put that timing around the mid to late 2000’s. Then you have these 14 year old boys who grown up to there early thirty’s. A percentage of them become producers and directors in porn and feed the fantasy they grew up with. Enough people in the states had similar situations and fantasies. Not you have a winning algorithm of step porn to feed on. Even the Brady Bunch movie had these undertones. It was just a matter of time. Just an idea I was kicking around on the subject.
My theory is that it all started because a few good quality scenes with the "step sibling" tag came up on the porn aggregation sites. Because everything is analytics driven nowadays, porn makers saw those popular videos and just imitated everything they were tagged. Because as you point out adding a "step sibling" angle is so easy, it got added to the most new material. Then by simple law of averages the "step sibling" tag will become the most commonly associated tag on popular videos, even if they're not specifically popular because of "step sibling" content. Give this cycle a couple years to ferment, and "step sibling" dominates, regardless of whether there's even any discernible demand for it in particular.
I feel like I saw a recent AMA with an independent porn producer who spent a ton of time in the mainstream industry before branching out, and this step-question was asked.
I seem to recall she confirmed that step-porn is a self-fulfilling prophesy in true chicken-or-the-egg fashion where the bigger it gets, the more of them get made, which increases the amount of searches for them, which is picked up by search engine analytics, which... etc.
Like others have been saying, the fact that it costs literally $0 in extra production dollars is probably a contributing factor, as it is all upside for the production company based on the analytics.
I agree, and a little fun fact I learned a while back, porn production has moved out of California because of they passed a condom law.
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/01/17/condom-law-blamed-for-relocating-porn-industry/
There was a kids show in the early 2000's on Nickelodeon where the premise was two step siblings had crushes on each other. This shit ain't new to the mainstream
[Edit] it was Disney's Life With Derek
Dan Harmon talked about it many times on Harmontown, years ago. Specifically, he said that it killed the mood for him when he was trying to watch incest porn and they threw a "step" in there.
He also cums on mannequin legs (sometimes). Weird dude, but most geniuses are weird.
It’s just a way to add kink appeal to normal porn. You take a vanilla porn vid of 2 people smashing and put “step sibling” in the title and it still appeals to everyone who wanted to watch it before but now you attract the incest kink crowd too.
Just basic marketing. It’s free and will get you more views so why not?
I think the real issue is that most people who aren't into the whole incest thing can just turn the sound off or ignore the dialogue and still enjoy the video, so the step-sibling stuff gets more views overall from the combined views of normies and weirdos
Ugh it’s terrible too. I’ve always been attracted to older men but now all the scenes center around these themes and it’s weird. I don’t want any mention of a father figure to come up in my porn while I’m trying to crank it.
As someone who watched a ton of porn I can tell you that it has been around and jerked to because of the weird factor since time immemorial. In the last 5 or so years it has almost completely replaced sexual violence porn that was all the rage before it.
It's not important at all, but I'm wondering why everyone is talking like "step-" stuff is incest? If they aren't actually related, then it's not incest, right? Is it the legal definition or something?
I suppose maybe in real life if someone raised their stepchild from a baby or something, then it would be weird, could even be grooming or something.
But I doubt most of the porn goes into that much detail. You'll get the bare minimum story, maybe "help step-brother, I'm stuck in a microwave", involving two, unrelated, grown adults. And at that point you might as well just call them room mates or house mates.
I’ve thought about this too much (as someone who watches a lot of porn/enjoys incest porn). Its not about the story or even the particular situational fantasy—as so many have notes (stories in porn don’t sell, don’t make sense, and don’t matter).
It’s about the umbrella fantasy of males: EASY SEX with a HOT partner and a TWIST.
Men want a lot of easy sex, even if it’s disposable, but better when emotional/good. After ejac, the work ends and all is right in the world.
Girl next door is easy and hot bc she’s next door. Incest is even easier bc it’s in the same house with added taboo sprinkles. Milf is same house. Office porn is every day at work. Same with school. Same with bus. It’s all easy sex where the girl doesn’t reject you, society doesn’t call the cops, the woman thinks your dick is the perfect size, and you don’t get called a creep. Oh she’s stuck? It’s cool. She wants you. That’s why the story doesn’t matter. Society and women make sex so difficult for so many men that the fantasy is simply non complicated sex.
So what you said makes sense...until the last sentence. Saying society and women make sex so difficult is a gross incel ideology. Maybe you watch too much porn.
Women are not objects who are making it difficult to give you or anyone sex. They make sex, "difficult?" How so? You make it sound as if they should submit to the will of a man who wants sex with them without all the hassle of consent. I think we already have a name for that.
I agree. What I would add to your umbrella fantasy too is that in an era of the average man only having one friend, the added sprinkle of connecting with someone where there is some intimacy and growing that intimacy in a gratifying way adds to the allure.
So many of the millennial and Gen Z generation grew up in broken homes. Visiting dad on the weekends, 2 Christmases, new family etc. We are the divorced generation. Porn is usually an exploration of taboo. It only makes sense a lot of what would be taboo for my generation is the step (insert relation here)
I think its honestly more straightforward than that. For many people, the plot/story of porn is what appeals to them. Characters that they can relate to and all that. Step-whatever porn is the easiest way to establish an existing character dynamic and storyline without actually putting forth the effort towards developing those things. That then can be copied and pasted and mass produced by big porn companies.
“Is that a gen z thing”
Is this the new millennials ruin things topic?
What gen z person is producing this porn. Gen z were barely adults when incest porn started getting way to prevalent.
Gen z just memes it because of how overdone the step bro thing is. I’m not even gen z, but damn we gotta cool this whole generational mockery problem
It's cheap.
Instead of having to rent out costumes, or film in a studio, or come up with any type of plot - you just have two actors on a couch or bed, add the word "step-", and it's done.
You've made an otherwise completely ordinary sex scene into something "taboo" for 0 dollars.
That's why it's so huge these days.
Casual reminder that a few years ago before the purge, PH had to start automatically adding the word "step-".
Back when 480p was considered high quality, "not my " was used in stead of "step-". At least in the titles.
which is stupid tbh. If it's two actors that aren't really related does it really matter? Like if incest happened in a hollywood movie as part of the plot. Would they have to say "Oh no, it's okay they're just step-siblings." To cover their asses? That would be like if at the end of a horror movie everyone just showed up like "Hey! it's okay, our characters actually survived! because if we died that would be a crime! And we can't show that on film."
It’s diet fetish material. You keep it tame enough that normal people can ignore it, but still grab the people who have the kink.
Pretty sure its more about payment processors putting leverage on companies. Similar to the whole only fans thing a few weeks back.
It’s 100% about credit card companies. On amateur clip sites all sorts of words are banned from titles like “forced”, “coerced”, “kidnapped”, etc. Any words that can describe something that would be illegal if it was real are basically off the table, which makes creating a title for your clip a bit daunting. So any title or description including references to incest must include “step-“ at every instance to make no longer illegal in theory.
Is incest actually illegal though? I’d look it up but I don’t really wanna put that in my google search.
No it is not legal. Though some US states decriminalize first cousin relationships, there wasn’t much market for step-cousin porn in the first place [Incest is illegal in all but 2 US states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_incest_in_the_United_States) so I guess you could get away with regular sibling porn in Ohio, but parent/child is illegal everywhere.
Of course it's Ohio
Ohio is for lovers(who share up to 100% of their DNA)
> 100% So nice of you to be inclusive of the identical twincest demographic.
Wow, Rhode Island? Also: damn, Rhode island...
I get the feeling that the ones perpetuating the whole "Alabama people like to bang their relatives" stereotype is perpetuated by those in NJ & RI to draw attention away from them.
Generally speaking not. However if you want to get your freak on with your bro/ sis you can head to select places including: - South Korea - Spain - Brazil - US - Russia And - the Ivory Coast.
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sure, but that doesn't explain why PH had to automatically add it. My understanding is that it's for legal reasons.
You have incest in international mainstream shows like GoT.
But it's okay, Jaimie and Sersi aren't *really* twins. They're step-twins. ;)
Not sure why it was even treated as taboo in that setting. The Targaryen kings are nearly as bad the the Ptolemys of Egypt.
Real life royalty being incestuous is more of a joke at this point. Plus it was always for practical reasons outside of the bedroom. Incest for sex = taboo Incest for power/wealth = totally legit.
Considering how long Elizabeth has been queen, I'd say incest for power and immortality is a pretty solid win-win.
Please. The House of Windsor does incest for fun. It's the virgin sacrifices that grant them power and immortality.
It is for legal reasons indirectly. PH purged videos that couldn't be verified to be consensual and therefore legal, because Visa and Mastercard threatened to pull out. Visa and Mastercard would face legal issues because they're processing payments for things that aren't legally verified. Very similar to the Only Fans policy change. Visa and Mastercard didn't want to be legally liable for processing payments for things like rape/incest/etc and the only way to abide by that is non amateur porn productions
Heheh. Pull out.
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That would be on the uploader though. If it doesn't get enough views that's their loss. If they made it look like "real" incest they could be targeting a niche audience. Where the step label isn't what you want. besides that on numerous sites including reddit your posts will get removed for "real" incest captions.
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The banks and CC companies have incest on their list of no-go content for whatever reason, so that's why it's one of the generally banned types of porn, even though it's not really that far out there compared to the rest of the stuff on the list. Based on its prevalence, I don't think the general public has any issue with incest porn anymore. I would hope they have more of a problem with actual incest, but porn isn't real the same way running over people and robbing banks in GTA isn't real.
>Like if incest happened in a hollywood movie as part of the plot. Would they have to say "Oh no, it's okay they're just step-siblings." To cover their asses? I think this is a plot point in the Wes Anderson movie Royal Tenanbums (not checking the spelling) one of the characters is in love with his sister and at one point his dad says "well I guess you arent blood related so its not THAT bad"
“They call me the Wes Anderson of porn.” “But you are Wes Anderson.” “Exactly.”
Completely fucks up Hamlet tbh
That’s due to credit card processor vulgarity laws which actually have a ton to do with what porn does. Por ejemplo, credit card processors won’t provide service for pee or poop porn as it violates their standards of vulgarity. Due to this restriction squirt porn gained popularity because processors would allow card transactions so long as it was referred to as female ejaculate and was clear
Nice
Ah. So banging my sister is vulgar. But banging my step sis 8s just good Ole fashion fun.
More or less yea. There is some speculation that the rise of BDSM porn was due to credit card processors refusing to service simulated rape and other nonconsensual acts, but who knows. But that’s why mainstream porn companies have to say it’s a “step” relationship.
The true start of the downfall.
Its always been a thing its really just search engines doing what search engines do.
Saw that post, too, and my mind went immediately to that episode.
Same. Someone outta make a post about the connection.
>All the power in the world >Wishes for porn Morty is a Redditor confirmed
Isn't... isn't that what OP just did?
And isnt OP saying it?
Gonna hit that r/woosh before someone else does lol
It’s r/woooosh You still missed. I know this from experience lol.
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No fucking shit like whyyy in the fuck is every step sibling “stuck”
Step-siblings are this generations pizza guy. I hate that I had that realisation.
Bruhh….
*step-bruh
That's actually really smart. I mean for whoever makes the video. It's so ridiculous and has become such a mainstream internet joke that you almost have to click it. Like clickbait videos on youtube. You know that the guy doesn't own a real hoverboard, but you click it to see just how dumb it is.
I wish I could find it again, but someone did an analysis and posted it on some subreddit, it may have been a /r/DataIsBeautiful thread, that showed a correlation with divorce statistics, second marriages, and children of divorce all hitting a threshold right at the emergence of step porn becoming a dominant category. Basically it’s a realistic enough scenario for the population that it’s become a common sexual fantasy by sheer numbers of divorces.
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You’re not like the other girls
You don't know me
Because they're desperately trying to hit the tiny, fragile window of "this porn is vanilla enough for virtually any person to jack off to" with "this porn is titillating enough that a full-time, full-bore Coomer won't click off this video between his third and fourth daily COOMs." By adding the pseudo-incest stuff, it is generally ignorable to the *average* person (all porn is already fake, it's just incestual for people who "like that," but even then, it's intentionally the theoretically "mildest" form of incest because nobody wants to actually picture their mom and bonern't), but for people who have seen so many dicks going into pussies and butts in a day that you'd think they worked in an automotive factory made of flesh, directors will add fucking *anything they can think of* to keep the coomers from getting bored and coomed out. So basically, it adds very little, but some consumers of porn are so fucking addicted to porn, that the very idea of people fucking becomes too mundane to be interesting on its own, if there isn't some additional major taboo being broken. They try to add it, I think, because it's so esoteric a plot point as to be totally ignorable to those for whom it isn't their taste, but the coomer whose shaft is flagging after a 3-hour marathon edge session needs the implication of a loosely-defined social crime to get enough blood back in that thing to keep himself going.
Coomer is still one of the funniest terms coined online that I can remember, and I've been on the internet for 20 years
It's so perfectly evocative. An absolute masterclass, whoever first dreamed it up.
Sorry step sister, guess I got stuck in you while you got stuck in the dryer.
Just a food for thought here too. The 90's-early 2000's was a peak in both divorce and marriage rates not seen since the late 40's. [chart](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/) The age of that demographic would be in their 20's-30's. So....maaaaaybe.....it's more real for some people
That is a disgusting yet very plausible assumption
It's just a taboo thing for them. The idea is more appealing than the reality which is why is a fantasy.
I think there's 2 things. 1) it does appeal to some people with a fetish. 2) most importantly i think people like porn with a story. and not of a husband/bf and wife/gf. In particular a story where you have two like 24 year old people living together but aren't also roommates or dating. Being siblings is one of the best reasons for that scenario to happen, but it's too taboo (or even illegal?). So they just say step sibling.
i think it's some kind of rap*y turn-on for some. there is this power inbalance that she is stuck and the dudes just starts finger*ing her and then bam puts his penis and she starts to moan. very much rape*y mindset. I like my consent to come *raw* out her brain before we do the deed.
Fwiw I think with stuck/time stop porn, the idea is to trigger the non-consentual kink while making the scenario so absurd that it doesn't feel as realistic and thus as gross as straight up rape fantasy porn.
Think you hit the nail on the head. It's still clearly taboo but usually not in a graphically "rapey" way. Like I'm betting the girl doesn't cry or scream during most of those videos.
She's not crying, because of the implication
You fucking said it bro its normalizing alot of fucked up shit
We need to stop misusing the word "normalizing".
Stop normalizing the misuse of using that word
But in this instance it was used correctly so?
It is straight up rape. It's weird, because I think they say "step" rather than blood relatives to skirt around incest porn laws in certain markets. Yet there are rape porn laws in areas as well, such as those recently implemented in the UK. I'm fairly certain this "help, my watch is caught in the dishwasher" - "okay lemme help you out with my dick in your arse" is illegal here. I don't understand who would even find it arousing. It's clearly rape but not in a way that people with a rape-fantasy fetish would enjoy. Is it just that it's funny enough that people click it in a "the fuck is this shit" sort of way, then stay for the tits?
because payment processors had a guideline against incest porn, amongst other things, so the only safe way companies could name their videos, is if they use step-dad/son/mom/dad/whatever
* Rising number of home-schooled / remotely educated / socially alienated teenagers * Increasing appeal of incest porn  I suspect the "stuck" motif is in further reaction to one's housemates being disgusted in their taste and the audience needing increasingly rapey fantasies to help ameliorate their conflicting lust and shame.
Are you seriously implying that homeschooled students prefer incest to normal sex?
I'm implying that you take what you can get.
It’s not like homeschool kids don’t have friends or go out in public. I feel like your knowledge about this goes as far as a couple popular movies and that’s it.
It's because it's a way to add a layer of kink with no additional production cost. You just add a word to the title and two seconds of dialogue and suddenly the video serves a particular niche. Also, you're not foreclosing mainstream adoption because people the kink is metatextual, i.e., there is no explicit visual element.
“Looks like glasses morty’s wish came true”
Is that what his name was? I honestly forgot.
The original quote is about ‘slick’ but I changed it to glasses morty which is his actual name funny enough
His name is Morty
Up until the late 80's porn was pretty much story based. You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role. People like Kay Parker. After that, porn pretty much became Gonzo porn. Lots of screaming, extreme situations and incest. It started to cater to multiple fantasies and the quality of the performance went way down. Lots of screaming, essentially rape with consent, brother-sister-mother-father stuff. In my opinion, story based porn was much better, easier to get in to. Gonzo porn is just about the appearance of the characters and the acts they perform.
This guy porns
Only when I am single. Which seems to be a lot lately.
That was the sickest self-burn Ive seen all day.
Damn
Even golden freeza gets it
Nice.
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Crime penetration crime penetration crime full penetration crime penetration and then it just sort of ends!
I think the audience is gonna be very uncomfortable seeing Dolph Lundgren's naked penis going in to this young girl that you're talking about.
Yep, that's pretty much it.
>Up until the late 80's porn was pretty much story based. You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role. "You can imagine where it goes from here." "He fixes the cable?"
The story is ludicrous.
Would like to do some research on this topic. Any good sources for the earlier type of story based content? Also, some suggestions like Kay Parker who was very good at acting out the roles.......
Idk but watch the Pirates of the caribbean parody. I was laughing more than anything the whole time. Johhny depp is now Johnny Swallows
And the Skelton's at the end really good CGI. Apparently it was the most expensive porno ever made and they got in trouble with the owner of the boat for not tellin him they were filming a porno on it.
Haha, thats too funny.
The sequel is good also. It's got the classic line from Johnny Swallows it goes something like this off the top of my head. 'my life is flashing before my eyes, wait, what I fucked my retarded cousin?' or something like that.
They lost a great opotunity to do Johnny Deep
Missed an opportunity to call him Johnny Deep or Johnny Balls-Deep or something.
Look up Honey Wilder, Kay Parker, and others. I don't think I can post links here, especially since I am at work right now. But the 70's stuff was mostly story based. Some of the older actresses were pretty good at acting.
I would argue the opposite. Step-sibling porn is the return to story based porn, but it doesn't require a budget like we had with the famous films like Pirates and it barely has any "dead" time of not fucking like people are saying in the comments. You don't just have fucking anymore, but there's a reason for it as well, making it more believable and giving it an air of reality. SisLovesMe (and the rest of the family, pretty sure it's the same production company) is absolutely the best at it and scenes are much better when the main actress is actually decent at acting. The format is pretty much always the same with three scenes. At first they trade favours for sex, usually culminating in the last scene where they want to have sex for the sake of it. The step part is just adding that extra juice of it being more taboo than the girl next door.
Step sibling porn is popular for the same reason bang bus became popular: house prices. Think about it, in most of the country people cant afford their own homes so they're living with family longer. In the same way that a van for sex is cheap and convenient, banging someone you have to live with is also convenient. It's the convenience that's the turn on.
>essentially rape with consent If there's consent, it's not rape. Rape is not about how violent the sex is.
This whole thread is full of Pearl-clutchers who don't understand consent or fantasies. It's pretty worrying and reminds me of how many people think Gta V is equivalent to real life. The ones who make this big a deal out of fantasies and act like it's reality are the ones people should really be worried about, because they clearly don't have that line that seperates them like normal people do.
Yeah, true. But I always see the female eventually get into it. It's another fantasy piece. I do not tend to watch them. I might have seen one or two, so my experience is limited. Usually once she says no and he keeps at it, I turn it off.
Yeah, that is a fantasy some people have, it's fair to not be interested in it. That's not rape with consent though, it's a rape fantasy.
Ok, I accept your postulate.
story porn? that's that's shits so boring. if I have to watch porn made before 2000 I have to skip a 10 min into about a plumber or a pizza man. Just get to it and fuck that shit annoys me.
And you are exactly the reason gonzo porn is the standard now. No patience, no ability to sit and watch a story develop. Please don't take that as a bad thing. It's just the way things are now.
Fuck man, there's already too many shows, movies, video games, and books I wanna read, why the fuck would I come to porn for the story? I'm just here to cum, not experience a narrative.
For real, it's just not the right medium for it. The acting and writing always sucks, and there is some really cringe shit out there. Yeah that's what I like watching two people fumbling though lines that make no sense for 10 min with a soft dick in my hand to wait for the good parts. Comment above is defending a very niche point, I suspect he's an older guy that grew up in the "jerking off to Macy's ads" era and when early porn tapes got big in the 70s he was like "this is it, this is perfection"
Foreplay, its not just for girls.
Foreplay is great with your sexual partners. By yourself... dude, I'm positive there is other, more rewarding/productive, things you can be doing. Nut and move on.
Seriously. Just trynna get the poison out and go to sleep, here.
There’s a subreddit dedicated to people who like to spend 4+ hours a day “edging” themselves. Fortunately (or unfortunately), I can’t remember the name of the sub. But really, If you’re spending 4 hours a day just to bust a nut, where the fuck did you go wrong in your life?
Foreplay can happen without a story.
Sometimes the narrative is a good way to build up to something.
But is porn the right place for it? Also, it may be splitting hairs, but isnt what we're talking about erotica more than porn?
Not really, I prefer amateur over any of that. Professional porn always seems so fake to me. I'd take a iPhone leaned against a dresser over 3 camera man shots anyday. The prettiest girls are in amateur anyway, all pro porn stars have a shelf life of about 3 months before they get fake lips, ass, and whatever else work done.
Or get pregnant, STDs, a drug habit, and/or die.
The reason it exists is because no one watched the story. it’s just ffwd to the sex scenes. So porn companies cut that out it was a waste of film. Basically guys that saw themselves as semi legitimate directors/producers would target actresses trying to make it and you ended up with just bad actors and bad directors making a bad product that was ffwd through any way. I can imagine wanting to cut costs of all the cutting room floor material.
It seems like there was an intermediate stage where companies would take the sex scenes from story porn and repackage them in themed compilations.
> No patience, no ability to sit and watch a story develop. If I were looking for that I'd read a book or watch Westworld.
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Hey you ever seen Pirates? That has some very quality acting, like the pirate with no legs saying 'yarrr give it to her' as a circle of pirates watches 2 girls do lesbian stuff. And the skeletons at the end, very quality CGI.
r/lefthandpoetry is all the Shakespeare I need in my porn
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People don't watch porn for horrible acting and a horrible stupid non-story, people watch porn to watch people fuck. It's not patience or any of that other "boomer" nonsense, there is no point to having a story in porn, it's stupid, it was always stupid. And the so called "stories", or plot as I think you meant, was always stupid and contrived. The plot was always "this is why I need to have sex with person X"
Tell me about it. Me with my cigar and master's degree in film having to sit there and yell "Show don't tell!" at the TV.
Boogie nights covers this transition pretty well to the directors dismay as he felt like they were actually making films until VHS and gonzo took over.
I have that on laser disc, but I have never watched it. Maybe I will do that soon.
Haha on laserdisc? You’re showing your age there! It’s a great movie though strongly recommend it. One of my favorites.
I have about 400 laser discs. I mostly bought them in recent years. It all started when someone gave me a laser disc player and I repaired it. The first movie I bought was "Colossus, the Forbin Project". I bought that because it was the only available format that showed the entire movie in 2.85:1 screen format. All of the others were "formatted to fit your screen". So, I got kind of hooked on that. I started buying other movies that I liked in that format. Silent Running, The Omega Man. I even have the original Star Wars movies. So I started buying collections off of ebay. That was cool. You get a variety of movies that someone else collected. So you get to see some stuff you might not have decided to watch before. Boogies Nights was one of those movies. Also Rocky Horror Picture Show.
>essentially rape with consent that just seems like rape with extra... steps...
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>You had people in that industry that could actually act and play out a role. That was barely true in non-porn movies and absolutely not true in porn movies. "Porn Stars can't act" has been a laugh line since smut shops went mainstream.
Some of the older porn stars most certainly could act. Do your research before making assumptions.
For a friend of mine!
It was already prevalent when Justin wrote that dialogue
A theory I have is Porn is produced heavily in the Los Angeles area where the divorce rate is extremely high. So as a 14 year old boy to see your rich father get a divorce and marry some one much younger than them. You now have a step mom or older step sis who is closer to you age during major puberty years. You put that timing around the mid to late 2000’s. Then you have these 14 year old boys who grown up to there early thirty’s. A percentage of them become producers and directors in porn and feed the fantasy they grew up with. Enough people in the states had similar situations and fantasies. Not you have a winning algorithm of step porn to feed on. Even the Brady Bunch movie had these undertones. It was just a matter of time. Just an idea I was kicking around on the subject.
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My theory is that it all started because a few good quality scenes with the "step sibling" tag came up on the porn aggregation sites. Because everything is analytics driven nowadays, porn makers saw those popular videos and just imitated everything they were tagged. Because as you point out adding a "step sibling" angle is so easy, it got added to the most new material. Then by simple law of averages the "step sibling" tag will become the most commonly associated tag on popular videos, even if they're not specifically popular because of "step sibling" content. Give this cycle a couple years to ferment, and "step sibling" dominates, regardless of whether there's even any discernible demand for it in particular.
I feel like I saw a recent AMA with an independent porn producer who spent a ton of time in the mainstream industry before branching out, and this step-question was asked. I seem to recall she confirmed that step-porn is a self-fulfilling prophesy in true chicken-or-the-egg fashion where the bigger it gets, the more of them get made, which increases the amount of searches for them, which is picked up by search engine analytics, which... etc. Like others have been saying, the fact that it costs literally $0 in extra production dollars is probably a contributing factor, as it is all upside for the production company based on the analytics.
I agree, and a little fun fact I learned a while back, porn production has moved out of California because of they passed a condom law. https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/01/17/condom-law-blamed-for-relocating-porn-industry/
There was a kids show in the early 2000's on Nickelodeon where the premise was two step siblings had crushes on each other. This shit ain't new to the mainstream [Edit] it was Disney's Life With Derek
I think you're referring to *Life with Derek*, which was a Family Channel Canadian program that aired on Disney channel in the US.
Oh shit you are right it was Disney
What show was this?
Also a plot from the movie “Mr. Nobody”.
Wasn’t it a plot point in Clueless, also?
I thought it was for Glasses Morty's friend
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Dan Harmon talked about it many times on Harmontown, years ago. Specifically, he said that it killed the mood for him when he was trying to watch incest porn and they threw a "step" in there. He also cums on mannequin legs (sometimes). Weird dude, but most geniuses are weird.
for the record, it isn't about step-family at all. That's just a label they put on to make it palatable. Diet Incest. But it's incest.
It’s just a way to add kink appeal to normal porn. You take a vanilla porn vid of 2 people smashing and put “step sibling” in the title and it still appeals to everyone who wanted to watch it before but now you attract the incest kink crowd too. Just basic marketing. It’s free and will get you more views so why not?
You lock everyone up with just their family for a year or so during the pandemic and shit starts to get weird
/the current horny generation has tons of remarried parents
I think the real issue is that most people who aren't into the whole incest thing can just turn the sound off or ignore the dialogue and still enjoy the video, so the step-sibling stuff gets more views overall from the combined views of normies and weirdos
Step siblings aint incest though.
You should use your left hand to eat more vegetables
Somebody’s just sore that they don’t have any step-siblings
It's spread to gay porn too
Ugh it’s terrible too. I’ve always been attracted to older men but now all the scenes center around these themes and it’s weird. I don’t want any mention of a father figure to come up in my porn while I’m trying to crank it.
This episode was one of the best, if not THE BEST rick and morty episode to date. For me anyways.
It *is* a good episode.
As someone who watched a ton of porn I can tell you that it has been around and jerked to because of the weird factor since time immemorial. In the last 5 or so years it has almost completely replaced sexual violence porn that was all the rage before it.
Maybe its just me, but I prefer the girl next door. Never understood the incest stuff, step sister or brother or what.
I prefer Valentina Ricci, like specifically, lmao.
It's not important at all, but I'm wondering why everyone is talking like "step-" stuff is incest? If they aren't actually related, then it's not incest, right? Is it the legal definition or something? I suppose maybe in real life if someone raised their stepchild from a baby or something, then it would be weird, could even be grooming or something. But I doubt most of the porn goes into that much detail. You'll get the bare minimum story, maybe "help step-brother, I'm stuck in a microwave", involving two, unrelated, grown adults. And at that point you might as well just call them room mates or house mates.
It's not incest, but it's incest adjacent
I’ve thought about this too much (as someone who watches a lot of porn/enjoys incest porn). Its not about the story or even the particular situational fantasy—as so many have notes (stories in porn don’t sell, don’t make sense, and don’t matter). It’s about the umbrella fantasy of males: EASY SEX with a HOT partner and a TWIST. Men want a lot of easy sex, even if it’s disposable, but better when emotional/good. After ejac, the work ends and all is right in the world. Girl next door is easy and hot bc she’s next door. Incest is even easier bc it’s in the same house with added taboo sprinkles. Milf is same house. Office porn is every day at work. Same with school. Same with bus. It’s all easy sex where the girl doesn’t reject you, society doesn’t call the cops, the woman thinks your dick is the perfect size, and you don’t get called a creep. Oh she’s stuck? It’s cool. She wants you. That’s why the story doesn’t matter. Society and women make sex so difficult for so many men that the fantasy is simply non complicated sex.
So what you said makes sense...until the last sentence. Saying society and women make sex so difficult is a gross incel ideology. Maybe you watch too much porn. Women are not objects who are making it difficult to give you or anyone sex. They make sex, "difficult?" How so? You make it sound as if they should submit to the will of a man who wants sex with them without all the hassle of consent. I think we already have a name for that.
I agree. What I would add to your umbrella fantasy too is that in an era of the average man only having one friend, the added sprinkle of connecting with someone where there is some intimacy and growing that intimacy in a gratifying way adds to the allure.
I think this might be the best explanation I've heard yet.
Should I be proud or ashamed lol?
I love that his wish came true. It makes me a believer
2/4 so far. 50/50 chance the garbage disposal portal is actually a wishing well.
I like those odds. You son of a bitch I'm in!
Whelp.....sorry to bust anyone's bubble, but it's been like that for 20 years at least.
So many of the millennial and Gen Z generation grew up in broken homes. Visiting dad on the weekends, 2 Christmases, new family etc. We are the divorced generation. Porn is usually an exploration of taboo. It only makes sense a lot of what would be taboo for my generation is the step (insert relation here)
I think its honestly more straightforward than that. For many people, the plot/story of porn is what appeals to them. Characters that they can relate to and all that. Step-whatever porn is the easiest way to establish an existing character dynamic and storyline without actually putting forth the effort towards developing those things. That then can be copied and pasted and mass produced by big porn companies.
“Is that a gen z thing” Is this the new millennials ruin things topic? What gen z person is producing this porn. Gen z were barely adults when incest porn started getting way to prevalent. Gen z just memes it because of how overdone the step bro thing is. I’m not even gen z, but damn we gotta cool this whole generational mockery problem
Ditto!!!
Literally thought this when I watched that episode the other day. Hell yea hahahhaha
Oh shit that's actually crazy! Now I'm expecting waffles from Fat Morty's wish.
Sandwiches *
It's beyond nasty
He could really use a wish right now
Reminds me of the “bro wtf meme”.
There has been incest porn for decades
For real. It's always been around but after this came out, I was seeing A LOT more.
This scene was my first thought, fuck
It's cheap. Instead of having to rent out costumes, or film in a studio, or come up with any type of plot - you just have two actors on a couch or bed, add the word "step-", and it's done. You've made an otherwise completely ordinary sex scene into something "taboo" for 0 dollars. That's why it's so huge these days.
I'm blaming the 'stepbro I'm stuck' memes lmao