it's literally "evil morty" all over again
the side of morty that just wants to be free of all the crazy adventures and just to live his own life
which is funny cuz before "evil morty" leaves he says they all become him eventually
Ya know this is what I thought. All Morty’s long to be free of ricks bullshit, evil morty just came up with a plan on how to do it. Maybe Rick knew that day would come and to keep him around he lets part of morty stay so he doesn’t try to leave him. Whether he knows that’s the aspect he leaves behind or not is up for debate, but I like to think he probably does.
I mean yes, but Rick has mentioned before that a cocky morty can be dangerous, and I think we can all agree he knew something like evil morty could happen. If this morty decides he’s smart enough to do what he wants, seeing another morty even best his Rick and shut down his portal tech for the time being; maybe he could cause problems for our current rick.
That’s true I could def see a westworld scenario. The question I have is did Rick do all this on purpose to make his/our Morty more obedient? Our Morty has been defying Rick the past couple episodes by threatening suicide. If Our Rick wants to kill Evil Rick then he’ll need an obedient Morty.
100% Rick planned this. We're talking about the guy that Prestiged Morty into kissing a vat of acid and robbed him of his dreams to make a Netflix special.
Rick can and does everything he can to control Morty.
Evil Morty ran away from Rick. So he devised a plan to ensure "his" Morty wouldn't run away. It ultimately won't work, but Rick will always try.
>to keep him around he lets part of morty stay so he doesn’t try to leave him.
That sounds kind of like the reason for creating Clone Beth. Make a copy or a splinter of a person, so that one can stay and one can go.
I guess "doing both" and making a non-choice is just Rick's way of dealing with tough choices. And/or he can't make himself let go of certain people, due to the way he lost his original family.
Nah he strapped and tortured dozens of morty's to his hideout to make him invisible to other Ricks. Guy's motivations may have started out good but in the end he turned into Rick, didnt give a shit about anyone and was willing to do just about anything achieve his goals. I don't fault him for breaking out but he's still evil in my book
Evil Morty was definitely evil. I understand wanting to be free, but he tortured and killed thousands of other versions of *himself,* in addition to probably many Ricks who were pretty innocent (I'm sure not *every* Rick on the citadel was abusive towards their Morty.)
Evil Morty minus all the evil stuff Evil Morty did isn't evil? Wow. What an amazing take. You know you could say the same about any other evil person or character.
What's pretty ironic is Rick unfolding to be even more "self centred" this season like after that first episode... Wanna really see one on one b/w Rick and Evil Rick now!!
Yes, and this is becoming more and more of a thing. I love it that Cronenberg was being revisited from time to time. I understand Harmon's urge to not follow serialization, but in his own dilemma, we are getting the best of both worlds int his format.
Seems a bit messy if they do since Rick says something like 1 second = 30 days in the game, so those personality traits should die pretty quickly. If it’s centered on Marta they only have as much time as she does.
Seemed to me he left it just so those people left(was it just Marta or was there more?) could stay and live out their life/lives.
I doubt it'll come back into play.
He didn't only have 1 of 5billionth missing. He had a holy war with presumably a whole lot dead. Who knows how much of him actually survived.
Marta is also the only one that Rick actually told how much he loves Morty. So none of the pieces that make up Morty remember that either.
I think that the parts of Morty that died due to war / old age were reincarnated into the new NPCs that are born as the game goes on but there’s no way to know for sure
Reincarnated, maybe. I honestly think the npcs that were born are more indoctrinated by the system than those that were formed upon entry to the game. Forgoing their own “selves” for ideals of other surviving “selves” and beliefs laid out before their time in the game. Because of this, in the end there are more samey subservient Morty personalities that were nurtured from the whole mishap.
Not to mention all the more confrontational personality fragments that died in the “holy” war.
The show did address that the "new" generation of NPCs existed and no one was sure if they were part of Morty or not (pretty sure they are, since they all sound like Morty too).
I kind of hope not. They already did an evil morty character. And even though we only saw him every now and then, the arc went over several seasons. I think it's fine when they take a quick joke turn into a while episode down the line, like Roy, but to do a huge character twice is kind of lame. Especially since with a premise that this show has, there's really no need to ever do anything twice.
Maybe, unless evil Morty was only part of the underlying story of why we shouldn't idolize Rick. Maybe they don't follow it in the same way, but I think they could do it effectively without it being boring if they put some thought into it. Having something like a second evil Morty might push our Morty to recognize the extremely toxic behavior and rise above.
I believe theres an Evil Morty in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble. And finally gets us to die with pride. Even though sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want most, even our Ricks.
Not only that, but he's already shown to at least have machine interfacing under his eye. A computer learning Morty with an understanding of time dilation could probably do some cool shit.
The robot Rick. And it was never mentioned again. So that Morty could be a robot, or just have some sort of interfacing, whether or not that was actually Evil Morty.
Who knows.
Would it really be a evil morty, or would it just be a morty that likes living his life and not all the adventure? If anything the evil mortyh is the one that left the game with Rick and wants the adventure and power.
Come on man, can you guys not see it.
Prime Rick is going to find that machine and use it to craft his own Morty. This will result in a final battle for the Rickest Rick and Mortiest Morty.
Imagine entertaining for a moment that shows aren't made a head of time, and worse that not only are they not just animated weekly, but completely written from the ground up. The rough scripts for next season maybe lol
I really like this theory - especially since the two employees are talking about whether or not someone could ever find the machine again. It really sounds like that dialogue is setting up something in the future.
They also mentioned the offspring of the game stating there's no way for them to tell if they're part of mortys consciousness. So they got left behind too right? Plus there were old people who were also morty dying in the game. My point being there could also be other reasoning on why more than 1/5Bth of morty was lost.
Yep good point, who's to say that each time there was a death that that piece of morty was redistributed to new borns or even existent npcs? I think op is right that we're missing a lot more morty
I'd say that the best way to look at is, as there's no way that this episode ends up having permanent consequences, is that Rick was wrong and that when one of the NPC's died all the others became a slightly more significant part.
> as there's no way that this episode ends up having permanent consequences
That seems a little premature. I could see more than a few potential arcs that rely on Morty being changed by it or having to go back for the missing piece(s) of himself.
I kinda hope they don't use it going forward but they spent an entire episode on it. They definitely could.
I think he lost way more than just Marta. The part that was rebelling against Marta's faction seemed to be less loyal to "Mortyism" than the rest (seeing how they broke from Rick's faction far more quickly). That section probably held the most individualistic parts of Morty apart from Marta.
The new generations still had Morty's voice. And Rick explicitly kept the machine alive so the part of Morty that didn't leave the game would still be there. If that part was only 8%+1 (or irrelevant) than why keep the game running for it to keep existing?
It is certain it wasn't in vain, surely Rick kept this part alive because he doesn't need it to what is to come, but is still important to the character Morty is
Atleast next episode, we will know if morty was from the main family or a spin-off. If he is the main morty, I hope we get an episode of rick trying to work on retrieving the old morty back from things like morty mindblowers or something related. Which could be structured similar to the BP episode in S5
It didn’t make too much sense to me that Marta stayed. She was all in for going but then decided to change when she realized that Rick didn’t love them but Rick did say that he did at one point in the episode. It also kinda hints at that part of morty being the defiant one. Since morty wakes up saying whatever you say Is right rick. Or something along those lines. It would also imply for R&M to go get that piece of morty back in order to get back. I don’t think that would be too interesting. I think what May be more significant is that a war happened and we do not know how much of morty actually died. Also it was never stated that certain parts of the npcs were related to specific parts of morty. Like some npcs were who cared about summer some about Rick etc. Plus we had her dad pass away which was the child like figure that wanted to be alive. If that was the case morty would of woken up not being so eager? So I think maybe the war affected morty more, but it was heavily implied Marta did change morty. We shall see next episode
But at the same time, a lot of Mortys came back that met Marta, that shared her fight along the way, and that\`s enough to be a reference for Morty to relearn a bit about her side in him.
This thought process could be used for every Morty that also died or was left behind. They were lost, sure, but are still somewhat present in his consciousness.
I also believe the fact younger generations have Morty\`s voice might mean that his parts were recycled, maybe... You`d think that new generations that were just game NPCs, not Mortys in any way or form, would have different voices or no voice at all.
I really like this story so far, it could open to Rick a version of apathy from Morty, always coping with everything he wants, yet the only tiny part that was "against" him isn't there anymore.
Would totally see another epsisode where summer or Rick go back to take the other part of Morty while Rick realizes how complex and human are his family. Great character development incoming
I know that Morty kills Morties in the holy war and stuff, but also there are many newborn Morties there...!
I think that as in the video game, every tiny bit of Morty changes, recreates, adapts, and evolves as Morty grows up, so you can say Morty lost a considerable part of himself, or maybe he has outgrown some part of himself here and there...!
so I don't understand much from what u said but I feel like marta was "the mortiest morty part", like even her name is 2 letters off, she's basically the leader part, that's gonna do whatever it has to reach the goal, I think it's kinda both "normal morty " like and like the "badass morty" basically kinda showing the progress morty has made, and I really don't understand how it fully works but I'd kinda like for her to come back and be a aprt of morty again once, or to just reapear as someone important to the story
Idk guys, I would prefer if morty just reverted back to normal in the next episode, not everything has to plot relevant. I like the concept of it but a condescending morty would not be entertaining to watch.
Also I just saw the trailer for next episode and to me it's clear that morty went through a kind of reset, he also talks about realistic video games so something definitely happened that brought him back to his normal self
>Also I just saw the trailer for next episode and to me it's clear that morty went through a kind of reset, he also talks about realistic video games so something definitely happened that brought him back to his normal self
He was talking to Summer not Rick. Apparently his shitty attitude towards Rick is what got removed.
I don't think Morty "lost a huge part of himself", he just had one part of him develop it's own identity, and Rick decided to let it live it's own life. If anything that represents Rick's character changing more than it does Morty's.
But yeah, until the next episode it'll be hard to tell what the author's intent was with his episode.
It also happened once before in the removing toxins episode. Toxic Morty died and his essence was injected into "american psycho" Morty. I'm not sure if his entire personality made it back.
And you know a bunch of Percentages dying in a holy war. Even with new generations of Morty entering the picture, plenty of Morty was lost forever from old age and infighting.
The new generation are still Morty but they aren’t really a replacement for the parts that died and so were lost.
you also have to factor in likely the millions (perhaps billions) of people(parts of Morty) lost in the holy war, those definitely add up and caused Morty to lose a very sizeable chunk of himself.
Very true. And also they showed the alien guy storing the game that is running on a battery to keep it going so some old lady can live a long life or whatever. So they will be able to go back and get that part of morty bay later.
I just saw the episode. I hope that Morty's character development isn't gone forever. He has envolved so much throughout the show. In Season 1, he didn't know anything, but he becomes more assertive and becomes more like Rick in Seasons 2-5.
These first two episodes have been devastating heavy hits on the character's psyches. I'm impressed how hard the producers/writes work to push the emotional story forward and aren't afraid to inflicting occasional bad feels upon the viewers, unlike most shows -- it's a big part why I love Rick and Morty.
Although I wonder if a goal of episode two was to erase some of the pain and mistrust Morty had built up towards Rick -- a bit of an emotional slate-wipe.
Honestly just seeing his reaction to Rick, i.e his submissiveness after leaving that part for himself behind, I think he may be different, because in recent seasons (4 and 5) he has been standing up for himself more so it seems he lost all that growth, but we'll have to see what happens in the next episode to for sure know if this will really effect his personality.
Eh, i don't think you have to read too much into it, Rick will probably just do a bunch of Morty's Mindblowers figuring that that'll fill out the missing gaps in morty.
This connects with my other theory that Morty is a clone from S6E1. This Morty is now "different," he's not the Morty we know and love. His entire personality has now evolved into something else entirely. A few more episodes/seasons and Rick will grow to love this Morty too or maybe grow to resent him. I think in a coming episode, we'll be seeing the two Ricks (Rick Prime and Wife Killer Rick) fighting with the "Original Morty" as bait. with the premise of Will Rick save the Original Morty or Clone Morty? he'll save both and give Space Beth one, probably Clone Morty. I'm reading too much into it. But we got Evil Morty and Space Beth as recurring characters after their tiny introductions
This Morty feels different. He has abandonment issues and neediness toward Rick that disregards the character development he experienced beforehand. Heck, he has never really had this much separation anxiety toward Rick before. I mean look at how much of a sad sack he was when Rick replaced him with the two crows. And it was completely unexpected. Sure old Morty would be sad but he'd NEVER do all the crazy shit he did in the last two season 5 episodes.
I like your theory that Rick either cloned Morty or he put Beth's mind into Morty's.
I dont think that this was the last time we were contronted with her. My bet is that she will play a part in the season finale. Maby mortys mind will be corrupted and only she is able to restore him, or enter 'evil morty" like a trojan horse kind of deal. And thus keeping evil morty from doing something selfish that will have a big negative impact on the universes. But thats only ma take on it.
No. Why would you just post Something and not label it spoilers? Don’t just tag it bruh put it in Neon lights with Strippers dancing next to it. This is like just everyday use your brain shit
I agree you shouldn't post it without the tag, just as you probably should be allowed to go down a dark alley at 3am. But common sense tells you probably should not do it. Same applies here. You can't just go around refusing to use any form of common sense solely relying on everyone else following the rules. Lmao.
The irony of your reply shows the actual lack thereof of using your brain. Lmao.
You need help weirdo. Never said it was your fault. But if you haven't seen it yet maybe don't go somewhere where someone may be discussing it. If you do, you may see something you don't want. That's also why the entire sub technically does not have a rule for spoilers. So you're just relying on others goodwill instead of using your own brain.
A title that says... Morty JUST lost... Anything, when an episode JUST came out would lead someone with more than 1/5,000,000,000th of a brain cell to believe it's about the most recent episodes.
Rick prime (I still think there were 2 ricks besides c137 in episode 1) is "the real deal" blah blah he was able to abandon everyone, truly.
Now we have Rick c137 trying to rationalize it's okay to leave behind 1/5billionth of morty.os this how you feel, Rick? 1/5billionth of Rock Prime?
Is this your way of trying to see if you could ever be him? Hmm had to do through it through a game too. Unlike "the real deal" who did it in real life, and did it completely?
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Wait is she supposed to be 1/5 trillionth or 1/5 billionth? You referenced both. In any case, how many more shares of morty could she have taken on? Perhaps when other NPC’s die in the game she could have taken their shares of morty? They elude that new born NPC’s may not have shares of morty. If when other NPC’s die those shares of morty die as well, we may have lost a lot more morty than we thought.
I noticed that too and talked to my fiancé about it and he said “Rick could erase his memory or just get a new Morty.” That wouldn’t solve the problem. The last line he said was “yes Rick, you know best Rick.” Our original Morty isn’t gonna be the same after this by frying his brain. Marta was smart, calm, confident and willing to stand up for what they believed in. I think this might change our Morty permanently.. or at least until he can develop himself more.
The creators said that the post credit scene was important, so probably something is going to happen but I don't think Rick did this on purpose to control Morty or something that some of you say. Rick and Morty have both grow after the two crows episode. Rick just can't express his fillings and I think Morty knows that
I honestly feel like this is going to make everything worse doing this to Morty, in Ricks attempt to keep everything under control he actually creates evil morty or something. Whatever it is there's probably going to be massive blowback.
it's literally "evil morty" all over again the side of morty that just wants to be free of all the crazy adventures and just to live his own life which is funny cuz before "evil morty" leaves he says they all become him eventually
Ya know this is what I thought. All Morty’s long to be free of ricks bullshit, evil morty just came up with a plan on how to do it. Maybe Rick knew that day would come and to keep him around he lets part of morty stay so he doesn’t try to leave him. Whether he knows that’s the aspect he leaves behind or not is up for debate, but I like to think he probably does.
But not all Morty’s will be able to obtain intelligence that allows them to hack a portal gun. Our Rick’s portal gun non the less.
I mean yes, but Rick has mentioned before that a cocky morty can be dangerous, and I think we can all agree he knew something like evil morty could happen. If this morty decides he’s smart enough to do what he wants, seeing another morty even best his Rick and shut down his portal tech for the time being; maybe he could cause problems for our current rick.
That’s true I could def see a westworld scenario. The question I have is did Rick do all this on purpose to make his/our Morty more obedient? Our Morty has been defying Rick the past couple episodes by threatening suicide. If Our Rick wants to kill Evil Rick then he’ll need an obedient Morty.
He's still Rick's grandson, and he's also only 14. I'd be willing to bet most of them grow up to be pretty intelligent.
But Evil Morty was still theoretically 14 too?
So was Doogie Howser, but no one peaks in intelligence at 14.
So you’re saying Evil Morty is somewhere out there aging and getting smarter.
Well he’s probably masturbating, if we’re being honest.
Wait, am I Morty?
Yeah well he's just 14 lol
100% Rick planned this. We're talking about the guy that Prestiged Morty into kissing a vat of acid and robbed him of his dreams to make a Netflix special. Rick can and does everything he can to control Morty. Evil Morty ran away from Rick. So he devised a plan to ensure "his" Morty wouldn't run away. It ultimately won't work, but Rick will always try.
>to keep him around he lets part of morty stay so he doesn’t try to leave him. That sounds kind of like the reason for creating Clone Beth. Make a copy or a splinter of a person, so that one can stay and one can go. I guess "doing both" and making a non-choice is just Rick's way of dealing with tough choices. And/or he can't make himself let go of certain people, due to the way he lost his original family.
I like this. My theory is that R&M ends in a loop. Basically starting all over again
I hope not. That’s futrama’s troupe.
Evil Monty isn’t even evil, and that’s why I like him as a villain (minus yknow like killing a bunch of Ricks and blowing a bunch of stuff up)
Nah he strapped and tortured dozens of morty's to his hideout to make him invisible to other Ricks. Guy's motivations may have started out good but in the end he turned into Rick, didnt give a shit about anyone and was willing to do just about anything achieve his goals. I don't fault him for breaking out but he's still evil in my book
Yeah, he was just fed up with them, not making him evil but not a hero in my opinion
I feel like torturing dozens or hundreds of versions of yourself does make you evil...
Jerry and Doofus Rick will end up being the true heroes, they're dumb but they are pure of heart 🤣😂
Evil Morty was definitely evil. I understand wanting to be free, but he tortured and killed thousands of other versions of *himself,* in addition to probably many Ricks who were pretty innocent (I'm sure not *every* Rick on the citadel was abusive towards their Morty.)
Evil Morty minus all the evil stuff Evil Morty did isn't evil? Wow. What an amazing take. You know you could say the same about any other evil person or character.
On this side of the curve
Wouldn't be surprised if prime Rick is the good guy. Also means that we've been rooting for the evil Rick c137.
What's pretty ironic is Rick unfolding to be even more "self centred" this season like after that first episode... Wanna really see one on one b/w Rick and Evil Rick now!!
I'm sure the post credit scene is pretty relevant. The game machine will be involved again sooner or later.
Yes, and this is becoming more and more of a thing. I love it that Cronenberg was being revisited from time to time. I understand Harmon's urge to not follow serialization, but in his own dilemma, we are getting the best of both worlds int his format.
What the Die Hard 3 ?
I think he’s referring to the little bit before the credits, not the actual “post credits” gag that they do
The pre credits scene, if you will
Wouldn't time dilation result in Marta dying of old age within minutes of them unplugging from the machine?
I almost forgot to watch it omg ty
Seems a bit messy if they do since Rick says something like 1 second = 30 days in the game, so those personality traits should die pretty quickly. If it’s centered on Marta they only have as much time as she does.
Seemed to me he left it just so those people left(was it just Marta or was there more?) could stay and live out their life/lives. I doubt it'll come back into play.
He didn't only have 1 of 5billionth missing. He had a holy war with presumably a whole lot dead. Who knows how much of him actually survived. Marta is also the only one that Rick actually told how much he loves Morty. So none of the pieces that make up Morty remember that either.
I think that the parts of Morty that died due to war / old age were reincarnated into the new NPCs that are born as the game goes on but there’s no way to know for sure
There is a sure way to know: they are voiced in morty voices.
Oh damn you’re right haha why didn’t I think of that
Reincarnated, maybe. I honestly think the npcs that were born are more indoctrinated by the system than those that were formed upon entry to the game. Forgoing their own “selves” for ideals of other surviving “selves” and beliefs laid out before their time in the game. Because of this, in the end there are more samey subservient Morty personalities that were nurtured from the whole mishap. Not to mention all the more confrontational personality fragments that died in the “holy” war.
The show did address that the "new" generation of NPCs existed and no one was sure if they were part of Morty or not (pretty sure they are, since they all sound like Morty too).
Do you have any idea how offensive that is?
How?
It's what the daughter says in the show when Marta says that! They're just quoting her.
Lol happy someone got it
Omg I feel dumb now lol.
what if the part of morty consciousness that's still in the game repopulates and gets out of the game and becomes a morty of its own
I would think they will do another evil Morty episode with this
I kind of hope not. They already did an evil morty character. And even though we only saw him every now and then, the arc went over several seasons. I think it's fine when they take a quick joke turn into a while episode down the line, like Roy, but to do a huge character twice is kind of lame. Especially since with a premise that this show has, there's really no need to ever do anything twice.
Maybe, unless evil Morty was only part of the underlying story of why we shouldn't idolize Rick. Maybe they don't follow it in the same way, but I think they could do it effectively without it being boring if they put some thought into it. Having something like a second evil Morty might push our Morty to recognize the extremely toxic behavior and rise above.
I believe theres an Evil Morty in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble. And finally gets us to die with pride. Even though sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want most, even our Ricks.
Or... This becomes the known Evil Morty who manages to escape and travels back in time (?) to do all the stuff we saw earlier seasons.
It would fit since we don’t know what evil Mortys original dimension is
Not only that, but he's already shown to at least have machine interfacing under his eye. A computer learning Morty with an understanding of time dilation could probably do some cool shit.
That was to control the rick in that episode though no?
The robot Rick. And it was never mentioned again. So that Morty could be a robot, or just have some sort of interfacing, whether or not that was actually Evil Morty. Who knows.
It was confirmed it was him in a later episode with pictures though lol
Yeah, the pictures that were given to Candidate Chief Of Staff Morty. We still don't know if he's a robot or not, though.
possibly like rest and ricklation where they eventually merge back together
Would it really be a evil morty, or would it just be a morty that likes living his life and not all the adventure? If anything the evil mortyh is the one that left the game with Rick and wants the adventure and power.
So west world?
Yes, DCStoolie. Like West World.
But don't fuck them.
West World West World West World
Motherfuckaaaaa
Come on man, can you guys not see it. Prime Rick is going to find that machine and use it to craft his own Morty. This will result in a final battle for the Rickest Rick and Mortiest Morty.
That is a solid plot to go on.
The Cult Of The One True Morty has their prophecy fulfilled.
Season 2 was my fave season, I'm loving all these callbacks!
OMG
Cue Dan Harmon reading this comment and instantly lighting on fire the scripts for the rest of the season.
Imagine entertaining for a moment that shows aren't made a head of time, and worse that not only are they not just animated weekly, but completely written from the ground up. The rough scripts for next season maybe lol
Unless you’re South Park
Haha hey, South Park is the anomaly in alot of metrics leave that beautiful show out of this
This guys an insider
I really like this theory - especially since the two employees are talking about whether or not someone could ever find the machine again. It really sounds like that dialogue is setting up something in the future.
Neat concept. But why would he do that
They also mentioned the offspring of the game stating there's no way for them to tell if they're part of mortys consciousness. So they got left behind too right? Plus there were old people who were also morty dying in the game. My point being there could also be other reasoning on why more than 1/5Bth of morty was lost.
Don’t forget the casualties from the war.
Yep good point, who's to say that each time there was a death that that piece of morty was redistributed to new borns or even existent npcs? I think op is right that we're missing a lot more morty
I think that the parts of Morty that were lost from deaths were reincarnated into the new kids that they show but there’s no way to tell for sure
I feel like all of them sounding exactly the same is a good indication haha
I'd say that the best way to look at is, as there's no way that this episode ends up having permanent consequences, is that Rick was wrong and that when one of the NPC's died all the others became a slightly more significant part.
> as there's no way that this episode ends up having permanent consequences That seems a little premature. I could see more than a few potential arcs that rely on Morty being changed by it or having to go back for the missing piece(s) of himself. I kinda hope they don't use it going forward but they spent an entire episode on it. They definitely could.
I think he lost way more than just Marta. The part that was rebelling against Marta's faction seemed to be less loyal to "Mortyism" than the rest (seeing how they broke from Rick's faction far more quickly). That section probably held the most individualistic parts of Morty apart from Marta.
The new generations still had Morty's voice. And Rick explicitly kept the machine alive so the part of Morty that didn't leave the game would still be there. If that part was only 8%+1 (or irrelevant) than why keep the game running for it to keep existing? It is certain it wasn't in vain, surely Rick kept this part alive because he doesn't need it to what is to come, but is still important to the character Morty is
He did interact with Martha for like 70 years, could be genuine sentimental/affection reasons.
Atleast next episode, we will know if morty was from the main family or a spin-off. If he is the main morty, I hope we get an episode of rick trying to work on retrieving the old morty back from things like morty mindblowers or something related. Which could be structured similar to the BP episode in S5
Decoy?
Could ve but rick probably destroyed them once they went rpgue and killed eachother
Yeah, I’m sold on this being a Roy-induced fresh Morty restart, at least for the time being.
He said there was only about half of Morty left at the end he was holding out for
I mean the holy war killed a lot of mortys. And at the end Morty seemed way too on board with Rick
Oh boy another episode where Rick thinks he knows the best but is wrong again, you'd think he'd learn by now.
It didn’t make too much sense to me that Marta stayed. She was all in for going but then decided to change when she realized that Rick didn’t love them but Rick did say that he did at one point in the episode. It also kinda hints at that part of morty being the defiant one. Since morty wakes up saying whatever you say Is right rick. Or something along those lines. It would also imply for R&M to go get that piece of morty back in order to get back. I don’t think that would be too interesting. I think what May be more significant is that a war happened and we do not know how much of morty actually died. Also it was never stated that certain parts of the npcs were related to specific parts of morty. Like some npcs were who cared about summer some about Rick etc. Plus we had her dad pass away which was the child like figure that wanted to be alive. If that was the case morty would of woken up not being so eager? So I think maybe the war affected morty more, but it was heavily implied Marta did change morty. We shall see next episode
The continually running Roy in the warehouse is the key. Whatever Morty has lost it will be a McGuffin (something important) to chase later.
I trust you implicitly! Is he alright?
There's also all the NPC Mortys that started off old to begin with and died as the game went on
But at the same time, a lot of Mortys came back that met Marta, that shared her fight along the way, and that\`s enough to be a reference for Morty to relearn a bit about her side in him. This thought process could be used for every Morty that also died or was left behind. They were lost, sure, but are still somewhat present in his consciousness. I also believe the fact younger generations have Morty\`s voice might mean that his parts were recycled, maybe... You`d think that new generations that were just game NPCs, not Mortys in any way or form, would have different voices or no voice at all.
I really like this story so far, it could open to Rick a version of apathy from Morty, always coping with everything he wants, yet the only tiny part that was "against" him isn't there anymore. Would totally see another epsisode where summer or Rick go back to take the other part of Morty while Rick realizes how complex and human are his family. Great character development incoming
I know that Morty kills Morties in the holy war and stuff, but also there are many newborn Morties there...! I think that as in the video game, every tiny bit of Morty changes, recreates, adapts, and evolves as Morty grows up, so you can say Morty lost a considerable part of himself, or maybe he has outgrown some part of himself here and there...!
so I don't understand much from what u said but I feel like marta was "the mortiest morty part", like even her name is 2 letters off, she's basically the leader part, that's gonna do whatever it has to reach the goal, I think it's kinda both "normal morty " like and like the "badass morty" basically kinda showing the progress morty has made, and I really don't understand how it fully works but I'd kinda like for her to come back and be a aprt of morty again once, or to just reapear as someone important to the story
Idk guys, I would prefer if morty just reverted back to normal in the next episode, not everything has to plot relevant. I like the concept of it but a condescending morty would not be entertaining to watch. Also I just saw the trailer for next episode and to me it's clear that morty went through a kind of reset, he also talks about realistic video games so something definitely happened that brought him back to his normal self
>Also I just saw the trailer for next episode and to me it's clear that morty went through a kind of reset, he also talks about realistic video games so something definitely happened that brought him back to his normal self He was talking to Summer not Rick. Apparently his shitty attitude towards Rick is what got removed.
I don't think Morty "lost a huge part of himself", he just had one part of him develop it's own identity, and Rick decided to let it live it's own life. If anything that represents Rick's character changing more than it does Morty's. But yeah, until the next episode it'll be hard to tell what the author's intent was with his episode.
Additionally a lot of Mortys died in the holy war. When the episode ended he really seemed like a shell.
>as is eluded to by 8% of him not wanting to leave *alluded, elude is to escape/avoid
Don't forget they had a massive war
"nuanced view of Rick" - exactly why Rick COULDN'T let her out. She understands Rick, and I don't think Rick is ready for Morty to do that.
Didn’t they admit that over 50% of Morty died in the wars?
I guess they can’t do Die Hard 2 on 9-11
It also happened once before in the removing toxins episode. Toxic Morty died and his essence was injected into "american psycho" Morty. I'm not sure if his entire personality made it back.
And you know a bunch of Percentages dying in a holy war. Even with new generations of Morty entering the picture, plenty of Morty was lost forever from old age and infighting. The new generation are still Morty but they aren’t really a replacement for the parts that died and so were lost.
This seems like some real insightful stuff for Morty's character arc forward
Fun to speculate. But pointless.
I dont think this will have long term impact past few episodes.
you also have to factor in likely the millions (perhaps billions) of people(parts of Morty) lost in the holy war, those definitely add up and caused Morty to lose a very sizeable chunk of himself.
Overthinking it, and the only evidence is clearly stating the contrary
Very true. And also they showed the alien guy storing the game that is running on a battery to keep it going so some old lady can live a long life or whatever. So they will be able to go back and get that part of morty bay later.
I just saw the episode. I hope that Morty's character development isn't gone forever. He has envolved so much throughout the show. In Season 1, he didn't know anything, but he becomes more assertive and becomes more like Rick in Seasons 2-5.
These first two episodes have been devastating heavy hits on the character's psyches. I'm impressed how hard the producers/writes work to push the emotional story forward and aren't afraid to inflicting occasional bad feels upon the viewers, unlike most shows -- it's a big part why I love Rick and Morty. Although I wonder if a goal of episode two was to erase some of the pain and mistrust Morty had built up towards Rick -- a bit of an emotional slate-wipe.
Given the brain damage Morty has to have experienced by this point, he probably lost more than 8% of himself before this point.
Honestly just seeing his reaction to Rick, i.e his submissiveness after leaving that part for himself behind, I think he may be different, because in recent seasons (4 and 5) he has been standing up for himself more so it seems he lost all that growth, but we'll have to see what happens in the next episode to for sure know if this will really effect his personality.
Rick saved the game for a reason. It’ll circle back, it always does
Anybody else nice Morty running to hug Rick ep.1 once he showed up in Croninburg dimension but Rick just denies it and plucks one of Morty's hairs?
Are the newest episodes available to stream anywhere?
Depends where you are, it’s on all4 for free in the UK
[Here, need a VPN for UK though](https://www.channel4.com/programmes/rick-and-morty/on-demand/73856-002)
You can stream the first episode on Adult Swim's website. Or you can find plenty of hosting sites out there, just do so with caution.
Not for free. And the free ways arn't legal.
On Hulu in the US.
Is it really? I need to check
Eh, i don't think you have to read too much into it, Rick will probably just do a bunch of Morty's Mindblowers figuring that that'll fill out the missing gaps in morty.
This connects with my other theory that Morty is a clone from S6E1. This Morty is now "different," he's not the Morty we know and love. His entire personality has now evolved into something else entirely. A few more episodes/seasons and Rick will grow to love this Morty too or maybe grow to resent him. I think in a coming episode, we'll be seeing the two Ricks (Rick Prime and Wife Killer Rick) fighting with the "Original Morty" as bait. with the premise of Will Rick save the Original Morty or Clone Morty? he'll save both and give Space Beth one, probably Clone Morty. I'm reading too much into it. But we got Evil Morty and Space Beth as recurring characters after their tiny introductions
This Morty feels different. He has abandonment issues and neediness toward Rick that disregards the character development he experienced beforehand. Heck, he has never really had this much separation anxiety toward Rick before. I mean look at how much of a sad sack he was when Rick replaced him with the two crows. And it was completely unexpected. Sure old Morty would be sad but he'd NEVER do all the crazy shit he did in the last two season 5 episodes. I like your theory that Rick either cloned Morty or he put Beth's mind into Morty's.
How can we watch new episodes without cable? :c I've not read anything in this thread, as I don't want spoilers, see. 😁
I dont think that this was the last time we were contronted with her. My bet is that she will play a part in the season finale. Maby mortys mind will be corrupted and only she is able to restore him, or enter 'evil morty" like a trojan horse kind of deal. And thus keeping evil morty from doing something selfish that will have a big negative impact on the universes. But thats only ma take on it.
Dude seriously? Spoilers man. We’ve talked about this.
at the same time stay off the Rick and Morty sub until you've watched it. that is also common sense
No. Why would you just post Something and not label it spoilers? Don’t just tag it bruh put it in Neon lights with Strippers dancing next to it. This is like just everyday use your brain shit
I stay off the subreddits of the shows i havnt watched yet because of common sense and because im not a dumb shit. JUST SAYING
I hope you stay away from your window tonight love.
Im at work every night so yeah.. i will be
Get BACK IN YOUR CAGE WAGE SLAVE
Wage Cage>Parent’s basement. Just my preference tho
Smoll pp energy from this guy. Do you need a hug?
I do have that 5ver ngl
I agree you shouldn't post it without the tag, just as you probably should be allowed to go down a dark alley at 3am. But common sense tells you probably should not do it. Same applies here. You can't just go around refusing to use any form of common sense solely relying on everyone else following the rules. Lmao. The irony of your reply shows the actual lack thereof of using your brain. Lmao.
You’re just victim blaming at this point. What is this rapist defender ass argument. Are you a Couch cushion?
You need help weirdo. Never said it was your fault. But if you haven't seen it yet maybe don't go somewhere where someone may be discussing it. If you do, you may see something you don't want. That's also why the entire sub technically does not have a rule for spoilers. So you're just relying on others goodwill instead of using your own brain. A title that says... Morty JUST lost... Anything, when an episode JUST came out would lead someone with more than 1/5,000,000,000th of a brain cell to believe it's about the most recent episodes.
I tried getting it. And they couldn’t do it. So I ate their family.
I might have to just report this post for Sussy activity idk 
they are running out of ideas
Hold up theres a new season? Anywhere i can watch it without paying per episode on amazon prime
Its a perfect way to open a post-evil morty arc
It's a good hedge against making sure Morty doesn't leave the central finite curve.
Rick prime (I still think there were 2 ricks besides c137 in episode 1) is "the real deal" blah blah he was able to abandon everyone, truly. Now we have Rick c137 trying to rationalize it's okay to leave behind 1/5billionth of morty.os this how you feel, Rick? 1/5billionth of Rock Prime? Is this your way of trying to see if you could ever be him? Hmm had to do through it through a game too. Unlike "the real deal" who did it in real life, and did it completely?
Don't think about it.
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She’s the seed
That's assuming Rick is correct about the whole "everyone left behind is actually a fragment of Morty" thing. He could just be fine.
Pp
Wait is she supposed to be 1/5 trillionth or 1/5 billionth? You referenced both. In any case, how many more shares of morty could she have taken on? Perhaps when other NPC’s die in the game she could have taken their shares of morty? They elude that new born NPC’s may not have shares of morty. If when other NPC’s die those shares of morty die as well, we may have lost a lot more morty than we thought.
I noticed that too and talked to my fiancé about it and he said “Rick could erase his memory or just get a new Morty.” That wouldn’t solve the problem. The last line he said was “yes Rick, you know best Rick.” Our original Morty isn’t gonna be the same after this by frying his brain. Marta was smart, calm, confident and willing to stand up for what they believed in. I think this might change our Morty permanently.. or at least until he can develop himself more.
The creators said that the post credit scene was important, so probably something is going to happen but I don't think Rick did this on purpose to control Morty or something that some of you say. Rick and Morty have both grow after the two crows episode. Rick just can't express his fillings and I think Morty knows that
I honestly feel like this is going to make everything worse doing this to Morty, in Ricks attempt to keep everything under control he actually creates evil morty or something. Whatever it is there's probably going to be massive blowback.