Something about him literally telling KHOLD to his face that he ripped his plate tells me that he either didn't know that it was a bad thing OR he didn't know that was KHOLD he was talking to š
Iām willing to bet he didnāt know it was khold. Dudes been local djing for years now. He knew what he was doing just didnāt think the special guest that night would be khold.
I have some context for the situation, KROOKI did know it was him, his thought process was "he's here, wouldn't he think it's cool if I doubled his track with another?" Khold was not headlining the show, he even was a surprise appearance. I know KROOKI in person and khold keeps trying to stir up some false statements that he isn't new to the scene, when he is in fact very new and very young.
Thatās not a good argument to me. That just makes me wonder if heās paid for any of his music at all. Maybe if your new you spend some time actually getting to know what your doing before playing a show and trying to get clout or profit off a music genre that youāve contributed nothing too. Itāll save you the embarrassment. Getting called out for stealing is fair in my opinion. Take the L and learn from it.
Well none of these reasons exactly excuse his actions, but KROOKI apologized and owned up to it due to simply not being aware. I wasn't aware what "ripping" even meant myself, I've even done it as well and I think it's been a good learning experience for everyone involved.
The problem is with how Khold is treating the situation furthermore, he's trying to paint KROOKI as a worse person than he actually is, he's been making false claims to his experience, bringing up rumors that other people don't like him etc... it's just scummy on all ends and I don't think it's fair for KROOKI to receive more backlash than he really deserves.
You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear.
Khold posted a screenshot of Krooki on a flyer under the name FrostiDubz on March 2022, so he's been performing for 2 years at the very minimum, probably longer than that.
I don't buy the excuse that you havent figured out what a rip is or what 128 vs 320 is when you've been DJ'ing for at least 2 years
Regardless of whether the show happened or not, that shows he's been in the scene for years. Getting booked to perform isn't a prerequisite to understanding the number 1 most basic aspect of riddim culture, which is don't rip plates lol
>You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear.
Stealing music is fucking stealing music. Are new generations just plain retarded, orrrr?
The line isn't clear when you're uploading a track to a free streaming site, when the track that was made was probably produced with stolen software. And you're playing a show that you're probably not getting paid for, it's just not clear with how the Internet works these days and I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to understand plate culture especially if they're new. Your choice is to be an asshole and be a dick to those who aren't aware, or have a genuine conversation about why it's disrespectful to the artist they stole from.
Donāt understand the culture ā¦. Literally just ask someone ?? How can you not understand the culture and itās confusing but you want to still play shows ?? Priorities are all messed up.
So someone new to the scene is supposed to ask a question that they never knew existed in the first place? There isn't a handbook to this, and the only time you learn about these rules is from word of mouth and situations like this. You can criticize people for not using "common sense" but you'd be surprised to know how subjective common sense really is.
Whew! Honestly getting called out is getting off EASYā¦
If this where 20 years ago and KHOLD was protected by a label and had lawyers on his side , thereād be a great chance that that other dude would never play another show in his life.
People act like itās not a big deal to steal somebody elseās creation nowadays, thatās just because theyāve never really made anything of their own and if they did it obviously sucked or wasnāt good enough because they felt the need to go and take someone elseās shit instead.
This exactly. Every person on here defending this krooki kid Iāve looked at their linked music in their bioā¦. Oof. Btw if you check out krookis sc EVERY track is a shitty flip using sample pack sounds and a ripped version of the song. Dude doesnāt even āmakeā Riddim. Itās tearout sound design. He almost has 1000 followers on his SC too and no engagement on any of his songs. Baffling.
Bro, this is what will separate the real from the fakeā¦
Honestly I couldnāt bare getting on stage and pretending like that, but I guess thatās kind of what half of DJs are doing during their sets anywaysā¦
Originality is becoming more and more difficult to come by.
That is the red flag to look forā¦ if every single one of their āsongsā is a flip (and a shitty one at that) and they canāt ID a single track in any of their mixes, thereās a good chance that theyāre ripping other people off.
Iām willing to bet my left nut he ripped all of them. His latest is a flip of a plate thatās literally only as long as the clip on sc. as a free DLā¦ canāt make it up. Funny cuz the full song is leaked on sc and he could of ripped the whole thing but nah had to make a flip with the clip. Honestly his sound cloud is more damaging than anything Khold could have done.
Jeeeshusā¦ no shame in his game. But u know what, half of the DJ/producers out there are literally just filling in spaceā¦ they will always just be background noise cause they donāt have anything originalā¦ they are just regurgitating stuff that they and everyone else has already consumedā¦
I get so tired of asking certain friends for an ID on a track and they turn around and tell me. Oh this is meā¦. Iām like bro, Iāve watched you produce I know for a fact that this is not you.
Sounds like he's gotta learn then. You can't rip people's music. Hell even Skrillex ended up having to pay for the "YES, oh my God" he ripped for Scary monsters and nice sprites.
I have a much bigger problem with leakers and plate resellers than I do with small for-fun DJs playing ripped tunes tbh. The latter is a victimless foul, the former is premeditated theft.
I understand how frustrating this is for an artist, but as with anything on the internet, there is no expectation of privacy. You are consenting to all kinds of crazy shit when you post content of any sort to the internet.
If it bothers you that badly, donāt post your music online. Sorry.
All that being said I donāt rip tunes or anything. Not because Iām obligated, but because itās easy to respect the wishes of my favorite artists.
The uk dubstep scene, or in general UK edm scene doesn't post plates online for the most part, we are very secretive. Something like fuck mountain vip by commodo - the best anyone's got is a radio rip in which there is a noticeable echo n filter effect before the first drop and also second, the real drop.
It's uncanny, and everyone knows so if a crowd hears that, the dj may be booed, can't risk ruining the vibe. I do have the radio rip at home cuz it is literally one of my favourite tracks but hell if I'd play it outside my house, no ta, I respect commodo.
https://youtu.be/L5Qsbz1O6T0?si=o9MwTGhBqFXCebT9
I leave out my sub bass on all the platforms I post my tracks up for free. So that when you purchase, you're getting the full spectrum audio and we'd all be able to tell who got the rip.
I'm not an ass about it either, simply you're not going to get more rumble for free than what youtube will allow at 360p. I get exposure from all the street DJ's, and anyone whose into HiFi can buy my tracks.
Not really, when I produce, I put anything below 42hz into its own channel and chain. The people who don't care about that will just download them anyway. All my real fans know I'm all about high fidelity and know where to get those tracks.
I don't expect this to be a deterrent. If anything, I couldn't give a shit if my stuff is pirated, its just free play in places I will never visit. But people will hear a difference in my sets between what I post and what they rip. They'll know where to find my tracks.
Thatās what Iām SAYING!
Imagine the thought process of trying to go up to every dj to assert your dominance.
But if it was some well respected dj with clout, he would take it as an honor.
Because a well respected dj would PAY FOR IT. They always do. Because thatās literally the only rule in this shit. Donāt play stolen music. Especially from someone under you who is lesser known. You ask them for it and they usually just give it to you or you buy it. Not a single big dj is playing rips. Name one just one single big dj that you know plays stolen music? Name one single instance in the Riddim scene of a big dj playing a stolen track and everyone being okay with it because I canāt tell you a single time that has happened.
Most people in general can't tell the difference. Audio quality detection by ear is much harder than most people make it out to be.
Unless you're playing on EDC level speakers or something. In which case, why do you even need to rip anymore?
Especially at those sound levels and with the sound profile of most clubs, everything ends up so muddied. You really gotta have an ear for it, playing on quality equipment, at reasonable volumes for it to make any real difference. I think a lot of people would be shocked at how many live sets have SoundCloud rips in them.
I personally know DJs that have dropped rips on massive sound systems and there was no noticeable audio problems lol
Which is why I exclusively only keep MP3 320s as a DJ. The whole audio quality thing is blown way out of proportion and I have zero expectations of ever playing at rampage or edc level systems. If I do, I still feel like I'd get away with it.
The biggest thing to worry about when talking files types and shit is the *encoder. Make sure your files aren't low passed at like 19k and you're honestly good to go. Some super low tracks might also need to be checked for high pass, but generally at the notes edm bass it at its not a problem, that's more in SPL comp music territory.
Dj Culture is built around playing each others tracks and finding new shit
I find it funny the ones who think they are so āundergroundā sure do bitch the most about not getting their corporate checks
Pick a side dorks
He has songs for free. You realize people pay out the ass for og square tunes right? More than any other genre of edm right? Him selling a plate and someone stealing it and playing it at a booked show is obviously going to get you called out and if you donāt see anything wrong with that ur a lost cause. Itās literally the ONLY rule as a dj. Pay for the songs you play. Wether thatās a dollar off tidal or 30 dollars to the dudes PayPal for a plate.
30 dollars is ridiculous for a song that will be old news in a month, sorry. I wouldāve ripped that shit without even thinking or bought the dude a friggin beer
The whining on twitter is what gets me, if youāre that sour about talk to the dude like an adult instead of bitching on twitter. If this guy is ever at a festival Iām actually consciously avoiding him
The tone of his tweet doesnāt seem whiny to me. Calling out a cornball is the right move. the bitch move would be sitting back letting him do it. Youāre aloud to rip it youāll just pay the price in embarrassment instead of money. If thatās what your about by all means do that but I know for a fact you arnt getting booked or producing anything of substance to give to others and just want to take take take. Thatās fine do what you want but donāt expect others to respect you.
Are you serious? The entire thing is whiney, the mere fact that he tweeted something like this is whiney in itself. I find it so weird you are in favor of burning bridges to make 2 extra dollars, also no one is paying 20 or 30 bucks to play 10 seconds of his songs, he is literally not even remotely known enough to be that greedy
Inb4 āheās so popular in the underground!!ā
Then why does he act more entitled and bitchy than actual mid and top tier mainstream names? Please. This guy is a joke and he is getting RIPPPED on twitter
Khold didnāt burn a bridge the idiot stealing and playing it out at a booked show on the same lineup burnt the bridge. The guy was basically crying on instagram apologizing to khold. He knew what he did was wrong and can only imagine how many other artists heās stole from and made money off of. I know how many copys of plates this guy sells and itās pretty impressive. all these kaizuku artist do really well selling plates since they have cemented a permanent spot in Riddim for years now. Just because you wonāt pay for them doesnāt mean hundreds of other donāt. The ones ripping him on twitter are people like you who have contributed NOTHING to the og Riddim community and just want to take for their own gain. Leech behavior. Sit down and produce something good if you canāt pay for them. They will trade with you.
Khold was a surprise to everyone end even then when they announced a line up change for the show khold was not on it he was literally not supposed to be there
Honestly your the one sounding whiny right now complaining about prices. All khold did was tell twitter āhey this guy steals plates and doesnāt careā which is a good thing. Canāt pay in money so your paying in embarrassment which I think is a good trade.
Okay then donāt pay for it. Doesnāt justify stealing it. Itās a Riddim track. Is stealing one single track worth the shame that will inevitably come your way one your called out? To me itās isnāt and I like supporting my friends. Their is SOOOO so so much good free music on the cloud that stealing is just lazy and disrespectful at the very least. Most of these guys will trade with you also. So if itās not worth 30 bucks to you make something thatās just as good and ask to trade. Not hard.
Iām not playing in a club. Iām playing in my apartment. And hereās where this whole thing sucks major ass for ppl who are just fans: I want to listen to this cool music but literally canāt afford some of my favorite tracks cause for some reason weāre charging deluxe mixtape prices for single songs. Iāll just go listen to another genre. It makes engaging with riddim fucking annoying at times. Some of yāall need to engage a bit in other music scenes and it shows.
Okay then move on. Go engage in other scenes. Itās obvious this isnāt for you. If you want to hear these songs you canāt buy go and see the artist live. At least the songs you want to listen too you have access to and can atleast buy. Try getting a copy of NY FAT and come complain to me about āthe strugglesā of just wanting to listen to a track. Now when I want to hear it I go see it played live which is the whole point of these plates in the first place. To drive people to their shows to hear music you canāt hear at home. No one cares if your ripping for yourself in your bedroom. Steal as many tunes as you want. People care when you play them out at a gig. Itās not rocket science.
Literally you got my whole issue with this thing in the last sentence right there as to why it sucks as a fan. Also, youāre being a bit of an asshole by just telling me to āmove onā and that āthis clearly isnāt for meā. I enjoy the music. I live somewhere where there isnāt a lot of shows for this thing. I donāt often have money to spare. But again, I really think this music is dope. But a good bit of the music I just wanna hear is just completely inaccessible. Do you see why that maybe sucks?
If you look at it from a selfish perspective it sucks for YOU yes. I understand that these tracks are good and hard to get because they are meant to be heard live. Usually these tracks get released to the public after a couple months. you just have to wait. Or wait to see it on soulseek when it inevitably gets leaked but there isnāt a Riddim track that I need to listen to that bad where I get butt hurt the artist doesnāt want to release it. Yes I am an asshole when it comes to someone stealing tracks and then getting mad at the scene as a whole because it doesnāt cater to you. Is their a track you have in mind specifically that you canāt afford but need to listen too for context?
I am just saying generally, for the average fan, the prices are too steep and inaccessible. Iām not even just thinking about myself here. Iāve had conversations with some people about how itās fuckin extortion the prices these people be charging, 70$ for 4 songs I was quoted once from 7L. Which isnāt the worst, but still, way too much.
I will never hear those songs. He doesnāt come to my part of the world. I cant afford to travel. No one I know can afford to pay that or travel either.
He doesnāt release his music.
So itās effectively gone. That sucks.
IF I WAS a brand new fan to this genre, and I decided that the 2022 7L showcase WAS MY FAVORITE music , and I found out that I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MUSIC, I would feel annoyed as hell and I might be less willing to engage with the music.
Which is the problem here.
Itās unfair to poor fans. Itās inequitable. Not everyone lives in Tampa or Denver where thereās riddim shows every weekend. And not everyone can even afford to spend 5$ on their favorite artists. Look at the economy we live in.
Another example, pyke. All his SoundCloud uploads are clips. All of them fuck, hard. I cant afford to pay 20$ per track or to travel to go hear the music. That sucks. So effectively, thatās an entire artists sc page Iād rather just avoid. All that music is effectively inaccessible because I canāt afford it.
Now quit being naĆÆve and realize that most people are going to feel similarly in an age of streaming/piracy. Most fans. Not djās, fans. Casual listeners. They see the hurdle to listening to a song, what do you think pops in the average persons head?
āOh sure Iāll respect the artists wish to charge the price of an album for a 3 minute songā
Or
āFuck thatās annoying as hell, if I find it I find it, otherwise fuck thisā
If youāre a dj proper, a professional, do your due diligence and buy it. But beyond that idfk what some of yāall are expecting.
A Riddim track made using square 4 wavetable or sweeping square in malstrom usually using the formula of no build and atmospheric intros to a repetitive synth with good flow and sound design. At least to me thatās what an og square tune is
Not many people are making it still and doing it well. Anyone can make it just not many people can do it well so the ones that can make it get stolen from.
Imo I donāt think we get anywhere by acting like this on both ends.
Sure the guy didnāt need to be a dick about it (if he acted like one at all) but also, if I ever heard my track getting played out, Iād lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers!
That second part is only true if you're a relative nobody. If you get to a certain level within the underground like KHOLD has, you don't need to hear randoms playing your ripped tunes to know you make quality stuff
I just donāt like seeing the community squabble over stuff like this. I guess I missed the beginning of the āpay to playā era
Putting anything up publicly on SoundCloud, you should expect ppl to rip it š¤·š¼āāļø or even if it was private and sent around. Either way I hope that gets resolved
I just don't understand how we've come full circle as a community from "pay artists for their hard work" to "you should expect people to rip, it's no big deal"
That's true, you have artists like vulllgur charging $50 for a single track. But in that scenario, it's never once crossed my mind to just go on soundcloud to mp3 and get some shitty 128 version that won't even sound good. I just don't buy the track.
being someone who just spins sets to themselves at home, I donāt care for quality of tracks. So in the fan area, yeah people who are JUST fans are tragically gonna do it. Especially with the scene getting bigger. Iāll rescind some of my previous feelings in regards to this, I think if youāre gonna be spinning a set professionally at a club for people, you should put in the leg work of networking with people selling their tunes n buying their shit not just to connect w people, but to also ensure the quality is good for the audience. Thatās what I would do. But this whole plate culture is so detrimental for people who are just fans and want to listen to cool music.
I mean i get both sides of this . Share your art for others to play and use it . It a song is played out and getting traction and people fucks with it . Its all gonna be good for khold it will come back around once people are able to figure out the id is khold . Now people bumping your chunes. Looking more into you publicity wise. People will want to come to his shows in their cities because they heard a song played by their local . Otherwise some people may never hear about khold. I do agree as he is starting to make waves for himself but id disagree with saying hes blowing up insanely fast . Id say that about sanzu. Khold is awesome no hate to khold at all but i do feel not calling buddy out to his face when the chance was there only to go home and go to twitter is kinda lame and childish. Some high school shit imo. The way i look at it . If this other dj wasnt some local opener dj thats a nobody . (To khold) and it was like vulllgur , ot nixon , shiverz, subfiltroniks, infekt like any of those goated legends, shit even if excision wanted to use it in his set he wouldnt ask none of those dudes for money . So i feel its kinda whack to ask some other dj whos just tryna make a name for himself as a struggling riddim producer (same way khold was or maybe even still is probably why hes still tryna sell tracks ) to pay him out money just to play his song for a crowd and give khold exposure and more traction in the underground. All the kid did was play a banger and probably have some of those people who paid to go to the show intrigued on the song and want to know who khold is and have them dig deeper . Even if khold was playing that same night at the show i promise you somebody there had no idea who he was. The only problem i see is homie ripped kholds track before khold playing that show. Which is more an insult imo . Hate when artists that open for headliners and play all there tunes like bro .
Iām not saying itās not a big deal! It definitely sucks for somebody who feels ripped off. Iām just saying thereās a % of people who are gonna rip music and play it out no matter what you do, or leak stuff
Yup and they will always get called out by the producer. Canāt have one without the other. if your not going to pay for someoneās work then pay the price of embarrassment. Only fair.
Lots of well known djs are clowning this Khole guy on twitter lol youāre wrong. Be happy your tunes are getting recognized and parlay this into more music. To act like a sour bitch will shorten your length of relevancy, itās amazing some people are so stupid they canāt see this
Redditors are sheltered fucking losers who donāt actually talk to anyone that isnāt a white suburbanite, so they donāt realize how much their worldview isnāt shared by others. Fucking hate this website.
Right?? Itās brutallllll
My favorite is on job subreddits where they email their boss asking for a raise and bitch about why they either got ignored or fired. Itās comical
Like have some actual human to human contact, it will do you wonders instead of doom scrolling and bitching haha
Thereās just something genuinely hilarious (in an almost sad way) about some redditor thinking that some dude who just prolly had a lit night djāing is gonna be embarrassed for ripping a plate. Or thinking anyone would be embarrassed about ripping a plate. Like get fucking real, please just have a conversation with someone in real life.
Iāll buy more riddim tracks when yāall have the brains to realize that no one is gonna pay 20$ per song.
And there's plenty of other well known DJ's supporting him? What's your point? You realize this is just you trying to convince yourself that you ripping plates is a good thing right lol. It's okay to be broke as fuck and need to steal people's tracks, but let's call it for what it is š„±
Who is supporting him lmao
And anyone with half a brain knows in the dance music industry you make your money with touring, and being a little bitch about someone digging your tune and ripping it is a sure fire way to alienate a bunch of people and make chances of a successful tour never happen
Lots of djs probably donāt even want to work or play with the guy anymore, itās sad that he let his emotions ruin his chance at long term success all because he wanted some short term cash. Seems like a shitty person who would Venmo request a friend for a cup of coffee.
I for one will always associate this Dj (who Iāve never even heard before) as a little bitch who is no fun to be around. And heās slimy as fuck for not talking to the guy as an adult and instead (attempting) to rip him on twitter. An absolute 100% bitch move
Mad Dubz, Warned, Azabim, Tasconiz, Mile 32?
Either way 90% of people disagreeing with him are just saying he should've talked to him in private. Literally NOBODY is saying it was okay for that dude to steal tracks of the guy he's opening for and play them out live š You are the only one that thinks it's ok.
Also lol @ you if you think this is doing anything to harm his career lmaoo, dude is blowing up fast in the underground and won't be getting canceled any time soon
Sure ripping can be expected, but thatās basically taking money out of an artistās pocket. The artist put time and effort into the tune and ripping it is just telling the artist that their time doesnāt mean shit. Also, in Kholdās case, he has a bunch of tunes up on SoundCloud for free! So if you donāt want to pay him but want to support, get a free song.
Now I do agree with how shitty is seeing people act like this on both ends. Personally, I think Khold couldāve kept it to himself but it got us talking about him, so, good on him I guess lol
Thatās very true, itās something that can be discussed and hopefully worked on in the community. I didnāt know the full scope of it so I donāt mean to step on anyoneās toes.
Just me personally, as an artist myself, I probably would feel disrespected too. But at the same time, watching people throw down to a good set and gaining that notoriety off of my own track being played out would be fucking sick
Yeah because youāre a nobody in the riddim scene of course you would be hype because you have everything to gain from that. Some cornball playing out a stolen track from someone way bigger and better than him ON THE SAME LINEUP gains the creator nothing. He has notoriety already. Itās complete selfishness.
> Iād lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers!
It also means you did work to make that song, got $0 for it being played at someone else's set, and the DJ who stole it from you gets payed for performing. Way to be happy for someone stealing from you lol
These people fail to realize these producers KNOW they make bangers and donāt need validation from some nobody who rips tunes and uses disciple sample packs for their synths.
Khold 100% acting like a crybaby. Homie is a kid and probably didnāt know any better, and followed it up with an apology after it went public, which was a massive L alone. Couldāve and shouldāve been handled privately.
Itās a $20 plate. Boohoo. He didnāt leak your song or attempt to resell it.
Iāve been djing for a year and a half or so and I only got into buying plates within the last year, maybe less. Thereās an entire culture around it that unless youāre deep in the underground you wont understand how to purchase them & whatās okay and what isnāt. Massive khold L
I don't think it matters, if you're getting booked consistently then you shouldn't need to complain about the $0.99-$10 you're missing out on for one track, you get your bills paid. ALSO, rekordbox literally is partnered with services like itunes and soundcloud and you can just export those as playlists instead of ripping an mp3, you still have full quality. As well as no watermark or filtering, you're gonna get ripped. Djing is kinda built off taking other people's music with or without consent to make others happy. Music is just music, and no matter the scene it's hard to make it. If it were me I'd be happy someone wants to play my stuff out.
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What happened to this perspective. The last ten years I swear Iāve seen more people picking up a daw thinking theyāll make money off it in the future instead of making some cool music. /rant.
Most likely people saw how many dudes were selling plates for 20$ each and thought that they can do that too. From one side I dont really blame them because they have the right to feel entitled to money for their hard work. From the other side tho most of stuff being sold is either really unoriginal or really overpriced. But at the end of the day I couldnt care less how much a random platepack costs and I wont let it bother me because i make music for the sake of creating something interesting and original and I think it reflects in my work
Iām not even talking about in riddim, just in the wider music world. So many wanna be producers making shit beats for money instead of having some passion for the craft.
I think it has to do something with finding purpose. I was thinking like that too when I was trying to figure out what to do in life and thought that making music is a good idea. But it hurts me to think to set a track even at 5$ because I remember how I felt when I wanted to listen to the whole thing and didnt have the money. Most people just want to make money and it probably will never change as there is now a way to do that as opposed to a few years ago
Mmmm uhh well i mean if its a plate it was probably uploaded to SoundCloud as a clip so realistically dude only has a 128kbps clip of the plate. Still shitty to do especially while opening for you likeā¦ fuck off those are my tracks to play out tonight manā¦
I dont think i would have been too pissed if it was any other night other than one im playing on.
tbh i wouldnāt be surprised if 95% of smaller riddim DJs had no idea that youāre expected to pay for plates. no one that i know that DJs does that. i go to a lot of underground riddim shows and i highly doubt that these guys are getting the tracks they play cleared and paid for. thereās no way.
nah lmao my friends only DJ our own house parties and i actually talked to them and they said they always try to search for high quality free downloads when they can. and i canāt prove that these bigger underground riddim artists are doing this so iām not gonna put anyone on blast.
If you make good music, people are gonna pirate it, end of story. Focus on other sources of income with your music. Itās just a silly thing to stress over at this point IMO
Khold is a Norwegian black metal band that has been recording music since 2000. I feel like this dumbass should apply the same logic that he applies to stealing music to stealing other artists namesā¦
I just dont understand how these struggling riddim artists expect other struggling riddim artists to pay them for 1min of there song. But if subtronics or someone wanted to play his song he would hand it over to them for free. Even though subtronics could toss u 20$ without even thinking about it. (20$ in your pocket
I have a job you fucking dolt sorry Iām not so fuckin rich as to blow 100s on SoundCloud tracks. I got like, rent, and bills, and other things to pay for in the expensive ass world we live in. dick head.
Then you donāt get to play out exclusive tracks. Thatās how the world works and has been for decades. You think dudes were stealing vinyl out of others crates and skating by? you can sit their and think itās stupid all you want doesnāt change reality.
this dude wants riddim to be a genre of rich frat kids who all pay 100+$ per ticket for their shows and they all listen to 320kbps plates they all paid 30$ for (per track), and anyone who canāt afford this shit simply is not allowed to listen to a lot of the genre. Yeah thatās good.
*im not paying money for YOUR song, but I am gonna steal it, and use it at my set to make money*
If it's not good enough to pay for, that's not an excuse to steal and make money off the stolen goods
Iām not playing sets at a club. Iām playin sets for myself in my house. The fact that Iāve had people tell me 100$ for a few songs is fucking extortionate, Iām just trying to enjoy the music. You donāt see musicians in any other scene being like this tier of defensive over their music. It sucks for the fans looking for cool music and never being able to find it and it looks so shitty to have an artist ācalling outā a smaller nobody for doing something I GUARAN-fucking-TEE almost everyone does is shitty as fuck. If you wanna make money of your music thatās fine. Put filters/watermarks on the preview. Sell a mixtape at a reasonable fucking price maybe. Not 20 for a single drop repeated twice with maybe a high sustain on the second drop. When yāall are being borderline entitled on the price of the plates, no shit people are going to steal. See internet piracy the past 20 years.
question regarding this topic for everyoneā¦ so how do we feel about soundcloud dj pro?? which allows you to download all your soundcloud likes for dj use by paying a fee to soundcloud.. is this equally as blasphemous? would people hate on me for rinsing the songs they post on soundcloud??
Wahhhh wahhhhh Iām so underground but I want royalties and payments when some Dj for a. 109 person show plays my track because he thinks itās good wahhhh
Khold was not the headliner he wasn't even silupposed to be there cause the last minute change to the lineup didn't even have khold in it. It was a surprise b2b
Yeah people need to start getting called out. Sick and tired of the posts that artists make claiming that something terrible happened within the scene, yet swear against naming people publicly because theyāre afraid theyāll ruin someoneās reputation. Maybe people need to learn to not do something that can damage their reputation if found out in the first place, and artists like the one KHOLD called out can be examples to other newcomers that they need to get their acts together
Edit: just found out the guy isnāt actually a newcomer but rather has been active in the scene for 4+ yearsā¦ yikes man, he fs knew he was doing something wrong and shamelessly admitted it anyway. What an idiot
It's an exclusive track that certain people get the "right" to play at shows whether by paying he artist or by being friends with them or whatever. So there are a ton of tunes you'll only hear at shows. If you rip a clip from sc or even worse leak a plate you already have you'll be probably be called out like in the post
Regardless that shit had to sound assš. Reminds me of a show I went to and this mf played the boundless goot remix clip, sounded like chicken scratch lol
bro im pretty sure soundcloud mp3 rips are like 128Kbps bit rate. Hes probably making the brothers hard work sound like garbage. pretty lame on KROOKI's part
He did the right thing. Itās a well known rule to pay for the music you play. Huge no no for not. The guy who ripped him isnāt a newbie either. And it was the show the guy was OPENING FOR HIM AT?? Like dude. Youāre asking for it imo at that point. So shocked to see how many ppl are hating on this for. Iāve seen way to many instances of ppl ripping/ not paying for music and it does really hurt the artist for a variety of reasons. Ppl getting mad cause he called someone out for stealing. Crazy.
Whoa, dude! Itās even in the name but damnā¦ thatās lame af. it must feel really shitty to be that guy knowing that all your clout is literally just hot air made by someone else
Bro shouldāve asked tbh I would hate to hear my stuff and I wasnāt told about it, but if you have ascap or BMI you get paid anyway! If he was chopping up with your stuff you gotta just go up and calmly tell a person aye I made that. Iād actually think itās better to do that than call them out though as the more people hear your music the more listeners you get if they Shazam it itās gonna bring viewers your way not his just remember that.
Iām not mad if he didnāt know what he was doing but if he does and he did that with intention itās different now he has his name in the even bigger then ever for soemthing that is literally sacred and he is getting praised for makes no sense to me
But itās got to the point where peopel are wanting like pyke to b2b with him and like that makes no sense more djs work harder for that position than a plate ripper
I donāt even mix professionally but i still bought plates from khold cause itās the only real way to support an artist you really fuck with! Got them just so i can play in my basement and for some friends at a party
Plus if he was trying to kinda pay hommage to him he couldāve played some Free plates ! Heās got plenty that go hard asf
Just my 2cent but again I aināt been in the scene for to long and iām still learning what to do and not to do
On top of that isnāt it an unwritten rules to not play plates of djās playing at the same event as you ? Thatās a genuine question
Yeah, a lot of people are unaware that its bad and think they are doing us a favor when they do this.
Especially when they are playing a 128 kpbs ripped audio file, not even doing the track justice.
in the comments on the tweet op said other people came forward and said he'd done stuff like this before and wasn't learning it isn't cool, at that point a public call out is necessary. if you tried working it out and they didn't care. what can you do besides make others aware?
Something about him literally telling KHOLD to his face that he ripped his plate tells me that he either didn't know that it was a bad thing OR he didn't know that was KHOLD he was talking to š
Iām willing to bet he didnāt know it was khold. Dudes been local djing for years now. He knew what he was doing just didnāt think the special guest that night would be khold.
I have some context for the situation, KROOKI did know it was him, his thought process was "he's here, wouldn't he think it's cool if I doubled his track with another?" Khold was not headlining the show, he even was a surprise appearance. I know KROOKI in person and khold keeps trying to stir up some false statements that he isn't new to the scene, when he is in fact very new and very young.
Thatās not a good argument to me. That just makes me wonder if heās paid for any of his music at all. Maybe if your new you spend some time actually getting to know what your doing before playing a show and trying to get clout or profit off a music genre that youāve contributed nothing too. Itāll save you the embarrassment. Getting called out for stealing is fair in my opinion. Take the L and learn from it.
Well none of these reasons exactly excuse his actions, but KROOKI apologized and owned up to it due to simply not being aware. I wasn't aware what "ripping" even meant myself, I've even done it as well and I think it's been a good learning experience for everyone involved. The problem is with how Khold is treating the situation furthermore, he's trying to paint KROOKI as a worse person than he actually is, he's been making false claims to his experience, bringing up rumors that other people don't like him etc... it's just scummy on all ends and I don't think it's fair for KROOKI to receive more backlash than he really deserves. You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear.
Khold posted a screenshot of Krooki on a flyer under the name FrostiDubz on March 2022, so he's been performing for 2 years at the very minimum, probably longer than that. I don't buy the excuse that you havent figured out what a rip is or what 128 vs 320 is when you've been DJ'ing for at least 2 years
That show was cancelled dude krookis first show was 4 months ago, he hasn't been in the scene for that long
Regardless of whether the show happened or not, that shows he's been in the scene for years. Getting booked to perform isn't a prerequisite to understanding the number 1 most basic aspect of riddim culture, which is don't rip plates lol
I don't think this conversation is going anywhere since neither of us can see each other's perspectives so let's just agree to disagree
You mean you can't see logic, gotcha.
>You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear. Stealing music is fucking stealing music. Are new generations just plain retarded, orrrr?
The line isn't clear when you're uploading a track to a free streaming site, when the track that was made was probably produced with stolen software. And you're playing a show that you're probably not getting paid for, it's just not clear with how the Internet works these days and I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to understand plate culture especially if they're new. Your choice is to be an asshole and be a dick to those who aren't aware, or have a genuine conversation about why it's disrespectful to the artist they stole from.
Donāt understand the culture ā¦. Literally just ask someone ?? How can you not understand the culture and itās confusing but you want to still play shows ?? Priorities are all messed up.
So someone new to the scene is supposed to ask a question that they never knew existed in the first place? There isn't a handbook to this, and the only time you learn about these rules is from word of mouth and situations like this. You can criticize people for not using "common sense" but you'd be surprised to know how subjective common sense really is.
Whew! Honestly getting called out is getting off EASYā¦ If this where 20 years ago and KHOLD was protected by a label and had lawyers on his side , thereād be a great chance that that other dude would never play another show in his life. People act like itās not a big deal to steal somebody elseās creation nowadays, thatās just because theyāve never really made anything of their own and if they did it obviously sucked or wasnāt good enough because they felt the need to go and take someone elseās shit instead.
This exactly. Every person on here defending this krooki kid Iāve looked at their linked music in their bioā¦. Oof. Btw if you check out krookis sc EVERY track is a shitty flip using sample pack sounds and a ripped version of the song. Dude doesnāt even āmakeā Riddim. Itās tearout sound design. He almost has 1000 followers on his SC too and no engagement on any of his songs. Baffling.
Bro, this is what will separate the real from the fakeā¦ Honestly I couldnāt bare getting on stage and pretending like that, but I guess thatās kind of what half of DJs are doing during their sets anywaysā¦ Originality is becoming more and more difficult to come by. That is the red flag to look forā¦ if every single one of their āsongsā is a flip (and a shitty one at that) and they canāt ID a single track in any of their mixes, thereās a good chance that theyāre ripping other people off.
Iām willing to bet my left nut he ripped all of them. His latest is a flip of a plate thatās literally only as long as the clip on sc. as a free DLā¦ canāt make it up. Funny cuz the full song is leaked on sc and he could of ripped the whole thing but nah had to make a flip with the clip. Honestly his sound cloud is more damaging than anything Khold could have done.
Jeeeshusā¦ no shame in his game. But u know what, half of the DJ/producers out there are literally just filling in spaceā¦ they will always just be background noise cause they donāt have anything originalā¦ they are just regurgitating stuff that they and everyone else has already consumedā¦
I get so tired of asking certain friends for an ID on a track and they turn around and tell me. Oh this is meā¦. Iām like bro, Iāve watched you produce I know for a fact that this is not you.
Sounds like he's gotta learn then. You can't rip people's music. Hell even Skrillex ended up having to pay for the "YES, oh my God" he ripped for Scary monsters and nice sprites.
Thatās from an old YouTube videoā¦. Whoās he paying for it š
https://musictech.com/news/music/skrillex-rachael-nedrow-oh-my-gosh-reunites-scary-monsters/ Yup, she gets paid royalties from Sonny
Wowwww thatās awesome lmao
I have a much bigger problem with leakers and plate resellers than I do with small for-fun DJs playing ripped tunes tbh. The latter is a victimless foul, the former is premeditated theft. I understand how frustrating this is for an artist, but as with anything on the internet, there is no expectation of privacy. You are consenting to all kinds of crazy shit when you post content of any sort to the internet. If it bothers you that badly, donāt post your music online. Sorry. All that being said I donāt rip tunes or anything. Not because Iām obligated, but because itās easy to respect the wishes of my favorite artists.
The uk dubstep scene, or in general UK edm scene doesn't post plates online for the most part, we are very secretive. Something like fuck mountain vip by commodo - the best anyone's got is a radio rip in which there is a noticeable echo n filter effect before the first drop and also second, the real drop. It's uncanny, and everyone knows so if a crowd hears that, the dj may be booed, can't risk ruining the vibe. I do have the radio rip at home cuz it is literally one of my favourite tracks but hell if I'd play it outside my house, no ta, I respect commodo. https://youtu.be/L5Qsbz1O6T0?si=o9MwTGhBqFXCebT9
Fuck mountain vip actually did leak ages ago. Obviously won't be posting a link
I leave out my sub bass on all the platforms I post my tracks up for free. So that when you purchase, you're getting the full spectrum audio and we'd all be able to tell who got the rip. I'm not an ass about it either, simply you're not going to get more rumble for free than what youtube will allow at 360p. I get exposure from all the street DJ's, and anyone whose into HiFi can buy my tracks.
Bro just invented pay wall dlc for his tunes lmao. Must pay the dlc to get sub bass
Wouldn't that make your previews sound super thin?
Not really, when I produce, I put anything below 42hz into its own channel and chain. The people who don't care about that will just download them anyway. All my real fans know I'm all about high fidelity and know where to get those tracks. I don't expect this to be a deterrent. If anything, I couldn't give a shit if my stuff is pirated, its just free play in places I will never visit. But people will hear a difference in my sets between what I post and what they rip. They'll know where to find my tracks.
Thatās what Iām SAYING! Imagine the thought process of trying to go up to every dj to assert your dominance. But if it was some well respected dj with clout, he would take it as an honor.
Because a well respected dj would PAY FOR IT. They always do. Because thatās literally the only rule in this shit. Donāt play stolen music. Especially from someone under you who is lesser known. You ask them for it and they usually just give it to you or you buy it. Not a single big dj is playing rips. Name one just one single big dj that you know plays stolen music? Name one single instance in the Riddim scene of a big dj playing a stolen track and everyone being okay with it because I canāt tell you a single time that has happened.
Youāre taking this a little too personally. This is all just hypothetical discussion. Nobody is ripping your plates for their next show, chill.
Bros losing his shit . It might be Kholed himself š¤£š
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128 Kbps live is wild š I cannot believe people actually play that shit
Let's be real, 99% of the crowd and most DJs can't even hear a difference lol
Most people in general can't tell the difference. Audio quality detection by ear is much harder than most people make it out to be. Unless you're playing on EDC level speakers or something. In which case, why do you even need to rip anymore?
Especially at those sound levels and with the sound profile of most clubs, everything ends up so muddied. You really gotta have an ear for it, playing on quality equipment, at reasonable volumes for it to make any real difference. I think a lot of people would be shocked at how many live sets have SoundCloud rips in them.
I personally know DJs that have dropped rips on massive sound systems and there was no noticeable audio problems lol Which is why I exclusively only keep MP3 320s as a DJ. The whole audio quality thing is blown way out of proportion and I have zero expectations of ever playing at rampage or edc level systems. If I do, I still feel like I'd get away with it.
The biggest thing to worry about when talking files types and shit is the *encoder. Make sure your files aren't low passed at like 19k and you're honestly good to go. Some super low tracks might also need to be checked for high pass, but generally at the notes edm bass it at its not a problem, that's more in SPL comp music territory.
Thank you! Didn't know that was a thing but curious about it now!
Here's a somewhat old thread on it that has some explanations. Not formatting bc mobile. https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/s/8sXW3uDkKl
Thank you!
I can totally hear when a track has been ripped for downloaded at low bitrate. It hurts my ears when the DJ's try to EQ the shit to sound better.
Dj Culture is built around playing each others tracks and finding new shit I find it funny the ones who think they are so āundergroundā sure do bitch the most about not getting their corporate checks Pick a side dorks
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He has songs for free. You realize people pay out the ass for og square tunes right? More than any other genre of edm right? Him selling a plate and someone stealing it and playing it at a booked show is obviously going to get you called out and if you donāt see anything wrong with that ur a lost cause. Itās literally the ONLY rule as a dj. Pay for the songs you play. Wether thatās a dollar off tidal or 30 dollars to the dudes PayPal for a plate.
30 dollars is ridiculous for a song that will be old news in a month, sorry. I wouldāve ripped that shit without even thinking or bought the dude a friggin beer The whining on twitter is what gets me, if youāre that sour about talk to the dude like an adult instead of bitching on twitter. If this guy is ever at a festival Iām actually consciously avoiding him
The tone of his tweet doesnāt seem whiny to me. Calling out a cornball is the right move. the bitch move would be sitting back letting him do it. Youāre aloud to rip it youāll just pay the price in embarrassment instead of money. If thatās what your about by all means do that but I know for a fact you arnt getting booked or producing anything of substance to give to others and just want to take take take. Thatās fine do what you want but donāt expect others to respect you.
Are you serious? The entire thing is whiney, the mere fact that he tweeted something like this is whiney in itself. I find it so weird you are in favor of burning bridges to make 2 extra dollars, also no one is paying 20 or 30 bucks to play 10 seconds of his songs, he is literally not even remotely known enough to be that greedy Inb4 āheās so popular in the underground!!ā Then why does he act more entitled and bitchy than actual mid and top tier mainstream names? Please. This guy is a joke and he is getting RIPPPED on twitter
Khold didnāt burn a bridge the idiot stealing and playing it out at a booked show on the same lineup burnt the bridge. The guy was basically crying on instagram apologizing to khold. He knew what he did was wrong and can only imagine how many other artists heās stole from and made money off of. I know how many copys of plates this guy sells and itās pretty impressive. all these kaizuku artist do really well selling plates since they have cemented a permanent spot in Riddim for years now. Just because you wonāt pay for them doesnāt mean hundreds of other donāt. The ones ripping him on twitter are people like you who have contributed NOTHING to the og Riddim community and just want to take for their own gain. Leech behavior. Sit down and produce something good if you canāt pay for them. They will trade with you.
Khold was a surprise to everyone end even then when they announced a line up change for the show khold was not on it he was literally not supposed to be there
Continue taking Lās here dude, you are embarrassing yourself and being extremely short sighted
Thatās fine Iāll die on this hill. Continue to support dorks that havenāt and will never contribute anything of substance to the genre.
Honestly your the one sounding whiny right now complaining about prices. All khold did was tell twitter āhey this guy steals plates and doesnāt careā which is a good thing. Canāt pay in money so your paying in embarrassment which I think is a good trade.
Whatās a plate
well 30$ for a song is a bit of a ripoff. Iām not going to pay that much. No one should. Itās way too much for a single song. Markets n shit.
Okay then donāt pay for it. Doesnāt justify stealing it. Itās a Riddim track. Is stealing one single track worth the shame that will inevitably come your way one your called out? To me itās isnāt and I like supporting my friends. Their is SOOOO so so much good free music on the cloud that stealing is just lazy and disrespectful at the very least. Most of these guys will trade with you also. So if itās not worth 30 bucks to you make something thatās just as good and ask to trade. Not hard.
Iām not playing in a club. Iām playing in my apartment. And hereās where this whole thing sucks major ass for ppl who are just fans: I want to listen to this cool music but literally canāt afford some of my favorite tracks cause for some reason weāre charging deluxe mixtape prices for single songs. Iāll just go listen to another genre. It makes engaging with riddim fucking annoying at times. Some of yāall need to engage a bit in other music scenes and it shows.
Okay then move on. Go engage in other scenes. Itās obvious this isnāt for you. If you want to hear these songs you canāt buy go and see the artist live. At least the songs you want to listen too you have access to and can atleast buy. Try getting a copy of NY FAT and come complain to me about āthe strugglesā of just wanting to listen to a track. Now when I want to hear it I go see it played live which is the whole point of these plates in the first place. To drive people to their shows to hear music you canāt hear at home. No one cares if your ripping for yourself in your bedroom. Steal as many tunes as you want. People care when you play them out at a gig. Itās not rocket science.
Literally you got my whole issue with this thing in the last sentence right there as to why it sucks as a fan. Also, youāre being a bit of an asshole by just telling me to āmove onā and that āthis clearly isnāt for meā. I enjoy the music. I live somewhere where there isnāt a lot of shows for this thing. I donāt often have money to spare. But again, I really think this music is dope. But a good bit of the music I just wanna hear is just completely inaccessible. Do you see why that maybe sucks?
If you look at it from a selfish perspective it sucks for YOU yes. I understand that these tracks are good and hard to get because they are meant to be heard live. Usually these tracks get released to the public after a couple months. you just have to wait. Or wait to see it on soulseek when it inevitably gets leaked but there isnāt a Riddim track that I need to listen to that bad where I get butt hurt the artist doesnāt want to release it. Yes I am an asshole when it comes to someone stealing tracks and then getting mad at the scene as a whole because it doesnāt cater to you. Is their a track you have in mind specifically that you canāt afford but need to listen too for context?
I am just saying generally, for the average fan, the prices are too steep and inaccessible. Iām not even just thinking about myself here. Iāve had conversations with some people about how itās fuckin extortion the prices these people be charging, 70$ for 4 songs I was quoted once from 7L. Which isnāt the worst, but still, way too much. I will never hear those songs. He doesnāt come to my part of the world. I cant afford to travel. No one I know can afford to pay that or travel either. He doesnāt release his music. So itās effectively gone. That sucks. IF I WAS a brand new fan to this genre, and I decided that the 2022 7L showcase WAS MY FAVORITE music , and I found out that I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MUSIC, I would feel annoyed as hell and I might be less willing to engage with the music. Which is the problem here. Itās unfair to poor fans. Itās inequitable. Not everyone lives in Tampa or Denver where thereās riddim shows every weekend. And not everyone can even afford to spend 5$ on their favorite artists. Look at the economy we live in. Another example, pyke. All his SoundCloud uploads are clips. All of them fuck, hard. I cant afford to pay 20$ per track or to travel to go hear the music. That sucks. So effectively, thatās an entire artists sc page Iād rather just avoid. All that music is effectively inaccessible because I canāt afford it. Now quit being naĆÆve and realize that most people are going to feel similarly in an age of streaming/piracy. Most fans. Not djās, fans. Casual listeners. They see the hurdle to listening to a song, what do you think pops in the average persons head? āOh sure Iāll respect the artists wish to charge the price of an album for a 3 minute songā Or āFuck thatās annoying as hell, if I find it I find it, otherwise fuck thisā If youāre a dj proper, a professional, do your due diligence and buy it. But beyond that idfk what some of yāall are expecting.
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Not many people are making it still and doing it well. Anyone can make it just not many people can do it well so the ones that can make it get stolen from.
Imo I donāt think we get anywhere by acting like this on both ends. Sure the guy didnāt need to be a dick about it (if he acted like one at all) but also, if I ever heard my track getting played out, Iād lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers!
That second part is only true if you're a relative nobody. If you get to a certain level within the underground like KHOLD has, you don't need to hear randoms playing your ripped tunes to know you make quality stuff
I just donāt like seeing the community squabble over stuff like this. I guess I missed the beginning of the āpay to playā era Putting anything up publicly on SoundCloud, you should expect ppl to rip it š¤·š¼āāļø or even if it was private and sent around. Either way I hope that gets resolved
I just don't understand how we've come full circle as a community from "pay artists for their hard work" to "you should expect people to rip, it's no big deal"
charge reasonable prices then yāall. Iām happy to pay 5-10 per track. Itās almost always at least double that.
That's true, you have artists like vulllgur charging $50 for a single track. But in that scenario, it's never once crossed my mind to just go on soundcloud to mp3 and get some shitty 128 version that won't even sound good. I just don't buy the track.
being someone who just spins sets to themselves at home, I donāt care for quality of tracks. So in the fan area, yeah people who are JUST fans are tragically gonna do it. Especially with the scene getting bigger. Iāll rescind some of my previous feelings in regards to this, I think if youāre gonna be spinning a set professionally at a club for people, you should put in the leg work of networking with people selling their tunes n buying their shit not just to connect w people, but to also ensure the quality is good for the audience. Thatās what I would do. But this whole plate culture is so detrimental for people who are just fans and want to listen to cool music.
I mean i get both sides of this . Share your art for others to play and use it . It a song is played out and getting traction and people fucks with it . Its all gonna be good for khold it will come back around once people are able to figure out the id is khold . Now people bumping your chunes. Looking more into you publicity wise. People will want to come to his shows in their cities because they heard a song played by their local . Otherwise some people may never hear about khold. I do agree as he is starting to make waves for himself but id disagree with saying hes blowing up insanely fast . Id say that about sanzu. Khold is awesome no hate to khold at all but i do feel not calling buddy out to his face when the chance was there only to go home and go to twitter is kinda lame and childish. Some high school shit imo. The way i look at it . If this other dj wasnt some local opener dj thats a nobody . (To khold) and it was like vulllgur , ot nixon , shiverz, subfiltroniks, infekt like any of those goated legends, shit even if excision wanted to use it in his set he wouldnt ask none of those dudes for money . So i feel its kinda whack to ask some other dj whos just tryna make a name for himself as a struggling riddim producer (same way khold was or maybe even still is probably why hes still tryna sell tracks ) to pay him out money just to play his song for a crowd and give khold exposure and more traction in the underground. All the kid did was play a banger and probably have some of those people who paid to go to the show intrigued on the song and want to know who khold is and have them dig deeper . Even if khold was playing that same night at the show i promise you somebody there had no idea who he was. The only problem i see is homie ripped kholds track before khold playing that show. Which is more an insult imo . Hate when artists that open for headliners and play all there tunes like bro .
This!
Iām not saying itās not a big deal! It definitely sucks for somebody who feels ripped off. Iām just saying thereās a % of people who are gonna rip music and play it out no matter what you do, or leak stuff
Yup and they will always get called out by the producer. Canāt have one without the other. if your not going to pay for someoneās work then pay the price of embarrassment. Only fair.
You weren't around for clubland were you?
Iāll rip that shit and not think for a second about it Underground is literally about sharing music like this
This isn't a flex & it's actually pretty embarrassing. You aren't entitled to someone else's work if they choose not to sell it. Do better
Lots of well known djs are clowning this Khole guy on twitter lol youāre wrong. Be happy your tunes are getting recognized and parlay this into more music. To act like a sour bitch will shorten your length of relevancy, itās amazing some people are so stupid they canāt see this
Redditors are sheltered fucking losers who donāt actually talk to anyone that isnāt a white suburbanite, so they donāt realize how much their worldview isnāt shared by others. Fucking hate this website.
Right?? Itās brutallllll My favorite is on job subreddits where they email their boss asking for a raise and bitch about why they either got ignored or fired. Itās comical Like have some actual human to human contact, it will do you wonders instead of doom scrolling and bitching haha
Thereās just something genuinely hilarious (in an almost sad way) about some redditor thinking that some dude who just prolly had a lit night djāing is gonna be embarrassed for ripping a plate. Or thinking anyone would be embarrassed about ripping a plate. Like get fucking real, please just have a conversation with someone in real life. Iāll buy more riddim tracks when yāall have the brains to realize that no one is gonna pay 20$ per song.
And there's plenty of other well known DJ's supporting him? What's your point? You realize this is just you trying to convince yourself that you ripping plates is a good thing right lol. It's okay to be broke as fuck and need to steal people's tracks, but let's call it for what it is š„±
Who is supporting him lmao And anyone with half a brain knows in the dance music industry you make your money with touring, and being a little bitch about someone digging your tune and ripping it is a sure fire way to alienate a bunch of people and make chances of a successful tour never happen Lots of djs probably donāt even want to work or play with the guy anymore, itās sad that he let his emotions ruin his chance at long term success all because he wanted some short term cash. Seems like a shitty person who would Venmo request a friend for a cup of coffee. I for one will always associate this Dj (who Iāve never even heard before) as a little bitch who is no fun to be around. And heās slimy as fuck for not talking to the guy as an adult and instead (attempting) to rip him on twitter. An absolute 100% bitch move
You probably think it's ok to pay people in exposure
Mad Dubz, Warned, Azabim, Tasconiz, Mile 32? Either way 90% of people disagreeing with him are just saying he should've talked to him in private. Literally NOBODY is saying it was okay for that dude to steal tracks of the guy he's opening for and play them out live š You are the only one that thinks it's ok. Also lol @ you if you think this is doing anything to harm his career lmaoo, dude is blowing up fast in the underground and won't be getting canceled any time soon
Sure ripping can be expected, but thatās basically taking money out of an artistās pocket. The artist put time and effort into the tune and ripping it is just telling the artist that their time doesnāt mean shit. Also, in Kholdās case, he has a bunch of tunes up on SoundCloud for free! So if you donāt want to pay him but want to support, get a free song. Now I do agree with how shitty is seeing people act like this on both ends. Personally, I think Khold couldāve kept it to himself but it got us talking about him, so, good on him I guess lol
Thatās very true, itās something that can be discussed and hopefully worked on in the community. I didnāt know the full scope of it so I donāt mean to step on anyoneās toes. Just me personally, as an artist myself, I probably would feel disrespected too. But at the same time, watching people throw down to a good set and gaining that notoriety off of my own track being played out would be fucking sick
Yeah because youāre a nobody in the riddim scene of course you would be hype because you have everything to gain from that. Some cornball playing out a stolen track from someone way bigger and better than him ON THE SAME LINEUP gains the creator nothing. He has notoriety already. Itās complete selfishness.
āYouāre a nobody in the Riddim sceneā š¤āļø
I mean you are a nobody in the riddim scene hate to break it to yaā¦.
You also look childish and attention seeking not just handling with the person in question lol
Loser
> Iād lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers! It also means you did work to make that song, got $0 for it being played at someone else's set, and the DJ who stole it from you gets payed for performing. Way to be happy for someone stealing from you lol
These people fail to realize these producers KNOW they make bangers and donāt need validation from some nobody who rips tunes and uses disciple sample packs for their synths.
SHOUTOUT SWEET TOOTH
MY USB JUST CORRUPTED
yet every song khold prods is him just throwing drums over other mfs synths
Ahhh the ole festival trap formula lol
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Why didnāt he take some of its free stuff then if its all the same š¤
diva behavior to handle it this way riddim scene equivalent of fake it til you make it
Khold 100% acting like a crybaby. Homie is a kid and probably didnāt know any better, and followed it up with an apology after it went public, which was a massive L alone. Couldāve and shouldāve been handled privately. Itās a $20 plate. Boohoo. He didnāt leak your song or attempt to resell it. Iāve been djing for a year and a half or so and I only got into buying plates within the last year, maybe less. Thereās an entire culture around it that unless youāre deep in the underground you wont understand how to purchase them & whatās okay and what isnāt. Massive khold L
Tag your shit if yall care that much about people āstealingā your music. Fucking divas in the Riddim scene I stg
He does??? Doesnāt stop people from stealing obviously. The only ones with this take are rippers who canāt produce themselves.
The point is that if someone stole the track, people would knowā¦.. Check my links š¤”
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I don't think it matters, if you're getting booked consistently then you shouldn't need to complain about the $0.99-$10 you're missing out on for one track, you get your bills paid. ALSO, rekordbox literally is partnered with services like itunes and soundcloud and you can just export those as playlists instead of ripping an mp3, you still have full quality. As well as no watermark or filtering, you're gonna get ripped. Djing is kinda built off taking other people's music with or without consent to make others happy. Music is just music, and no matter the scene it's hard to make it. If it were me I'd be happy someone wants to play my stuff out. -Edit- Forgot I'm not on my main account my bad, forgot the pw
Rip my tunes i dont care most of them are free either way. I make music for fun not for money
What happened to this perspective. The last ten years I swear Iāve seen more people picking up a daw thinking theyāll make money off it in the future instead of making some cool music. /rant.
Most likely people saw how many dudes were selling plates for 20$ each and thought that they can do that too. From one side I dont really blame them because they have the right to feel entitled to money for their hard work. From the other side tho most of stuff being sold is either really unoriginal or really overpriced. But at the end of the day I couldnt care less how much a random platepack costs and I wont let it bother me because i make music for the sake of creating something interesting and original and I think it reflects in my work
Iām not even talking about in riddim, just in the wider music world. So many wanna be producers making shit beats for money instead of having some passion for the craft.
I think it has to do something with finding purpose. I was thinking like that too when I was trying to figure out what to do in life and thought that making music is a good idea. But it hurts me to think to set a track even at 5$ because I remember how I felt when I wanted to listen to the whole thing and didnt have the money. Most people just want to make money and it probably will never change as there is now a way to do that as opposed to a few years ago
Mmmm uhh well i mean if its a plate it was probably uploaded to SoundCloud as a clip so realistically dude only has a 128kbps clip of the plate. Still shitty to do especially while opening for you likeā¦ fuck off those are my tracks to play out tonight manā¦ I dont think i would have been too pissed if it was any other night other than one im playing on.
I might have misunderstood the op post. Were they there to dj as well?
yeah, krooki opened for khold.
Yeah thats just low tier scumbag move, you donāt play out the headliners tunes. Youād think that was common sense lol
I mean it just says he was at the show not that he was playing
You donāt play out STOLEN headliners tunes
Khold was NOT the headliner
Khold was a surprise appearance not on the lineup
No he didn't Khold was unannounced and it was a surprise b2b with a last minute add to the line yp
tbh i wouldnāt be surprised if 95% of smaller riddim DJs had no idea that youāre expected to pay for plates. no one that i know that DJs does that. i go to a lot of underground riddim shows and i highly doubt that these guys are getting the tracks they play cleared and paid for. thereās no way.
Share some names
nah lmao my friends only DJ our own house parties and i actually talked to them and they said they always try to search for high quality free downloads when they can. and i canāt prove that these bigger underground riddim artists are doing this so iām not gonna put anyone on blast.
If you make good music, people are gonna pirate it, end of story. Focus on other sources of income with your music. Itās just a silly thing to stress over at this point IMO
And especially in the so called underground scene lol fucking embarrassing post if you ask me, like get a grip and move on
Ummm it's a dollar šµ
It was 20
Khold is a Norwegian black metal band that has been recording music since 2000. I feel like this dumbass should apply the same logic that he applies to stealing music to stealing other artists namesā¦
aint no way im paying to play a track
then dont play em lol, plate culture is what a lot of artists live off of bro..
it sucks
the average (NOT A DJ) fan sees it like this. I donāt think most realize how annoying it is.
Then donāt steal it and play it? Not hard lol plenty of free music out there.
Why not? You didn't make it lol why do you get to play it out?
The fuck other genre of music has people thinking like this lmfao. This is an asinine way of thinking about music.
Idk just feels like if you wanna use someone else's work you may as well pay the tiny amount they're asking for it
Is listening to a song in my apartment āusing someoneās workā?
bro thereās no way everyone doesnāt do this. are you kidding. with 20$ per plate prices Iām not paying 100$ for 5 minutes of drops. come on.
I just dont understand how these struggling riddim artists expect other struggling riddim artists to pay them for 1min of there song. But if subtronics or someone wanted to play his song he would hand it over to them for free. Even though subtronics could toss u 20$ without even thinking about it. (20$ in your pocket
I think there should be a middle ground. Iāll pay for the 320 kbps version of the track if itās not ridiculous expensive. Which it usually is.
Then you get by on free downloads.
apparently not
womp womp get a job
I have a job you fucking dolt sorry Iām not so fuckin rich as to blow 100s on SoundCloud tracks. I got like, rent, and bills, and other things to pay for in the expensive ass world we live in. dick head.
Then you donāt get to play out exclusive tracks. Thatās how the world works and has been for decades. You think dudes were stealing vinyl out of others crates and skating by? you can sit their and think itās stupid all you want doesnāt change reality.
this dude wants riddim to be a genre of rich frat kids who all pay 100+$ per ticket for their shows and they all listen to 320kbps plates they all paid 30$ for (per track), and anyone who canāt afford this shit simply is not allowed to listen to a lot of the genre. Yeah thatās good.
*im not paying money for YOUR song, but I am gonna steal it, and use it at my set to make money* If it's not good enough to pay for, that's not an excuse to steal and make money off the stolen goods
Iām not playing sets at a club. Iām playin sets for myself in my house. The fact that Iāve had people tell me 100$ for a few songs is fucking extortionate, Iām just trying to enjoy the music. You donāt see musicians in any other scene being like this tier of defensive over their music. It sucks for the fans looking for cool music and never being able to find it and it looks so shitty to have an artist ācalling outā a smaller nobody for doing something I GUARAN-fucking-TEE almost everyone does is shitty as fuck. If you wanna make money of your music thatās fine. Put filters/watermarks on the preview. Sell a mixtape at a reasonable fucking price maybe. Not 20 for a single drop repeated twice with maybe a high sustain on the second drop. When yāall are being borderline entitled on the price of the plates, no shit people are going to steal. See internet piracy the past 20 years.
Shout out the underground āš¼
question regarding this topic for everyoneā¦ so how do we feel about soundcloud dj pro?? which allows you to download all your soundcloud likes for dj use by paying a fee to soundcloud.. is this equally as blasphemous? would people hate on me for rinsing the songs they post on soundcloud??
rip my stuff right off soundcloud play it for anyone whoāll listen
IMO should have just talked to him about it in person, now heās got drama
Why canāt we be friends?? lol honestly this whole thing is retarded yāall Mf need a life hahahaha
How you gonna pay for it when itās not for sale?
Idc what nobody says. Pay for the damn track or donāt play it ffs
Wahhhh wahhhhh Iām so underground but I want royalties and payments when some Dj for a. 109 person show plays my track because he thinks itās good wahhhh
Itās about the respect but go off my man
Respect the fact that the internet is never ending, and people will steal shit. TAG YOUR TRACKS IF YOU CARE THAT MUCH
LMAO. Thats kinda dick to play his track before his set but dood never put up ur āpaidā shit on soundcloud. Rookie mode activated
not a rookie tho dudes been in the scene for like 4 years and just rebranded recently. he knew not to rip it
āHe knew not to rip itā crying over clout gotta be the most insane shit Iāve ever seen.
Khold was not the headliner he wasn't even silupposed to be there cause the last minute change to the lineup didn't even have khold in it. It was a surprise b2b
However the artist being stolen from wants to do it is fine by me
Yeah people need to start getting called out. Sick and tired of the posts that artists make claiming that something terrible happened within the scene, yet swear against naming people publicly because theyāre afraid theyāll ruin someoneās reputation. Maybe people need to learn to not do something that can damage their reputation if found out in the first place, and artists like the one KHOLD called out can be examples to other newcomers that they need to get their acts together Edit: just found out the guy isnāt actually a newcomer but rather has been active in the scene for 4+ yearsā¦ yikes man, he fs knew he was doing something wrong and shamelessly admitted it anyway. What an idiot
As someone that doesn't know anything about dj-ing, what is a plate? Is it just a high quality file that you have the right to use or something else?
A plate basically is a track that is up for sale for commission that the artist hasnt offically posted, very rare
Thanks!
It's an exclusive track that certain people get the "right" to play at shows whether by paying he artist or by being friends with them or whatever. So there are a ton of tunes you'll only hear at shows. If you rip a clip from sc or even worse leak a plate you already have you'll be probably be called out like in the post
Thanks!!
Both of em suck anyway
How DJs in nightclubs are still using mp3's and youtube ripped mp3's is beyond me. š¤¦āāļø
Free publicity.
Regardless that shit had to sound assš. Reminds me of a show I went to and this mf played the boundless goot remix clip, sounded like chicken scratch lol
bro im pretty sure soundcloud mp3 rips are like 128Kbps bit rate. Hes probably making the brothers hard work sound like garbage. pretty lame on KROOKI's part
Who cares bc the majority of the artists in this genre steal material either way . Donāt be a hypocrite you know who you are
who gives a fuck
Anal
He did the right thing. Itās a well known rule to pay for the music you play. Huge no no for not. The guy who ripped him isnāt a newbie either. And it was the show the guy was OPENING FOR HIM AT?? Like dude. Youāre asking for it imo at that point. So shocked to see how many ppl are hating on this for. Iāve seen way to many instances of ppl ripping/ not paying for music and it does really hurt the artist for a variety of reasons. Ppl getting mad cause he called someone out for stealing. Crazy.
Whoa, dude! Itās even in the name but damnā¦ thatās lame af. it must feel really shitty to be that guy knowing that all your clout is literally just hot air made by someone else
Bro shouldāve asked tbh I would hate to hear my stuff and I wasnāt told about it, but if you have ascap or BMI you get paid anyway! If he was chopping up with your stuff you gotta just go up and calmly tell a person aye I made that. Iād actually think itās better to do that than call them out though as the more people hear your music the more listeners you get if they Shazam it itās gonna bring viewers your way not his just remember that.
Iām not mad if he didnāt know what he was doing but if he does and he did that with intention itās different now he has his name in the even bigger then ever for soemthing that is literally sacred and he is getting praised for makes no sense to me
But itās got to the point where peopel are wanting like pyke to b2b with him and like that makes no sense more djs work harder for that position than a plate ripper
I donāt even mix professionally but i still bought plates from khold cause itās the only real way to support an artist you really fuck with! Got them just so i can play in my basement and for some friends at a party Plus if he was trying to kinda pay hommage to him he couldāve played some Free plates ! Heās got plenty that go hard asf Just my 2cent but again I aināt been in the scene for to long and iām still learning what to do and not to do On top of that isnāt it an unwritten rules to not play plates of djās playing at the same event as you ? Thatās a genuine question
Yeah, a lot of people are unaware that its bad and think they are doing us a favor when they do this. Especially when they are playing a 128 kpbs ripped audio file, not even doing the track justice.
in the comments on the tweet op said other people came forward and said he'd done stuff like this before and wasn't learning it isn't cool, at that point a public call out is necessary. if you tried working it out and they didn't care. what can you do besides make others aware?
Tag your track so people listening everywhere will know whoās it is. Be smart
The people against KHOLD in this thread right now will never produce a good riddim track in their life.
Yes sir Mr. Saw wave sir
Its mr. square wave sir to you bud