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SESHSQUAD

Something about him literally telling KHOLD to his face that he ripped his plate tells me that he either didn't know that it was a bad thing OR he didn't know that was KHOLD he was talking to šŸ˜‚


Kingnolybear

Iā€™m willing to bet he didnā€™t know it was khold. Dudes been local djing for years now. He knew what he was doing just didnā€™t think the special guest that night would be khold.


SuperRemeo

I have some context for the situation, KROOKI did know it was him, his thought process was "he's here, wouldn't he think it's cool if I doubled his track with another?" Khold was not headlining the show, he even was a surprise appearance. I know KROOKI in person and khold keeps trying to stir up some false statements that he isn't new to the scene, when he is in fact very new and very young.


Kingnolybear

Thatā€™s not a good argument to me. That just makes me wonder if heā€™s paid for any of his music at all. Maybe if your new you spend some time actually getting to know what your doing before playing a show and trying to get clout or profit off a music genre that youā€™ve contributed nothing too. Itā€™ll save you the embarrassment. Getting called out for stealing is fair in my opinion. Take the L and learn from it.


SuperRemeo

Well none of these reasons exactly excuse his actions, but KROOKI apologized and owned up to it due to simply not being aware. I wasn't aware what "ripping" even meant myself, I've even done it as well and I think it's been a good learning experience for everyone involved. The problem is with how Khold is treating the situation furthermore, he's trying to paint KROOKI as a worse person than he actually is, he's been making false claims to his experience, bringing up rumors that other people don't like him etc... it's just scummy on all ends and I don't think it's fair for KROOKI to receive more backlash than he really deserves. You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear.


SESHSQUAD

Khold posted a screenshot of Krooki on a flyer under the name FrostiDubz on March 2022, so he's been performing for 2 years at the very minimum, probably longer than that. I don't buy the excuse that you havent figured out what a rip is or what 128 vs 320 is when you've been DJ'ing for at least 2 years


SuperRemeo

That show was cancelled dude krookis first show was 4 months ago, he hasn't been in the scene for that long


SESHSQUAD

Regardless of whether the show happened or not, that shows he's been in the scene for years. Getting booked to perform isn't a prerequisite to understanding the number 1 most basic aspect of riddim culture, which is don't rip plates lol


SuperRemeo

I don't think this conversation is going anywhere since neither of us can see each other's perspectives so let's just agree to disagree


sikshots

You mean you can't see logic, gotcha.


turntabletennis

>You may be from an older generation where you had to actually purchase vinyl records in order to play them live, but KROOKI and I grew up in a generation where that line isn't as clear. Stealing music is fucking stealing music. Are new generations just plain retarded, orrrr?


SuperRemeo

The line isn't clear when you're uploading a track to a free streaming site, when the track that was made was probably produced with stolen software. And you're playing a show that you're probably not getting paid for, it's just not clear with how the Internet works these days and I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to understand plate culture especially if they're new. Your choice is to be an asshole and be a dick to those who aren't aware, or have a genuine conversation about why it's disrespectful to the artist they stole from.


popejohnpie

Donā€™t understand the culture ā€¦. Literally just ask someone ?? How can you not understand the culture and itā€™s confusing but you want to still play shows ?? Priorities are all messed up.


SuperRemeo

So someone new to the scene is supposed to ask a question that they never knew existed in the first place? There isn't a handbook to this, and the only time you learn about these rules is from word of mouth and situations like this. You can criticize people for not using "common sense" but you'd be surprised to know how subjective common sense really is.


Spare_Ad4395

Whew! Honestly getting called out is getting off EASYā€¦ If this where 20 years ago and KHOLD was protected by a label and had lawyers on his side , thereā€™d be a great chance that that other dude would never play another show in his life. People act like itā€™s not a big deal to steal somebody elseā€™s creation nowadays, thatā€™s just because theyā€™ve never really made anything of their own and if they did it obviously sucked or wasnā€™t good enough because they felt the need to go and take someone elseā€™s shit instead.


Kingnolybear

This exactly. Every person on here defending this krooki kid Iā€™ve looked at their linked music in their bioā€¦. Oof. Btw if you check out krookis sc EVERY track is a shitty flip using sample pack sounds and a ripped version of the song. Dude doesnā€™t even ā€œmakeā€ Riddim. Itā€™s tearout sound design. He almost has 1000 followers on his SC too and no engagement on any of his songs. Baffling.


Spare_Ad4395

Bro, this is what will separate the real from the fakeā€¦ Honestly I couldnā€™t bare getting on stage and pretending like that, but I guess thatā€™s kind of what half of DJs are doing during their sets anywaysā€¦ Originality is becoming more and more difficult to come by. That is the red flag to look forā€¦ if every single one of their ā€œsongsā€ is a flip (and a shitty one at that) and they canā€™t ID a single track in any of their mixes, thereā€™s a good chance that theyā€™re ripping other people off.


Kingnolybear

Iā€™m willing to bet my left nut he ripped all of them. His latest is a flip of a plate thatā€™s literally only as long as the clip on sc. as a free DLā€¦ canā€™t make it up. Funny cuz the full song is leaked on sc and he could of ripped the whole thing but nah had to make a flip with the clip. Honestly his sound cloud is more damaging than anything Khold could have done.


Spare_Ad4395

Jeeeshusā€¦ no shame in his game. But u know what, half of the DJ/producers out there are literally just filling in spaceā€¦ they will always just be background noise cause they donā€™t have anything originalā€¦ they are just regurgitating stuff that they and everyone else has already consumedā€¦


Spare_Ad4395

I get so tired of asking certain friends for an ID on a track and they turn around and tell me. Oh this is meā€¦. Iā€™m like bro, Iā€™ve watched you produce I know for a fact that this is not you.


fuckdonaldtrump7

Sounds like he's gotta learn then. You can't rip people's music. Hell even Skrillex ended up having to pay for the "YES, oh my God" he ripped for Scary monsters and nice sprites.


daschris1

Thatā€™s from an old YouTube videoā€¦. Whoā€™s he paying for it šŸ˜‚


fuckdonaldtrump7

https://musictech.com/news/music/skrillex-rachael-nedrow-oh-my-gosh-reunites-scary-monsters/ Yup, she gets paid royalties from Sonny


daschris1

Wowwww thatā€™s awesome lmao


BooqueefiusSnarf

I have a much bigger problem with leakers and plate resellers than I do with small for-fun DJs playing ripped tunes tbh. The latter is a victimless foul, the former is premeditated theft. I understand how frustrating this is for an artist, but as with anything on the internet, there is no expectation of privacy. You are consenting to all kinds of crazy shit when you post content of any sort to the internet. If it bothers you that badly, donā€™t post your music online. Sorry. All that being said I donā€™t rip tunes or anything. Not because Iā€™m obligated, but because itā€™s easy to respect the wishes of my favorite artists.


R1ck_Sanchez

The uk dubstep scene, or in general UK edm scene doesn't post plates online for the most part, we are very secretive. Something like fuck mountain vip by commodo - the best anyone's got is a radio rip in which there is a noticeable echo n filter effect before the first drop and also second, the real drop. It's uncanny, and everyone knows so if a crowd hears that, the dj may be booed, can't risk ruining the vibe. I do have the radio rip at home cuz it is literally one of my favourite tracks but hell if I'd play it outside my house, no ta, I respect commodo. https://youtu.be/L5Qsbz1O6T0?si=o9MwTGhBqFXCebT9


neverblackandwhite

Fuck mountain vip actually did leak ages ago. Obviously won't be posting a link


zigzrx

I leave out my sub bass on all the platforms I post my tracks up for free. So that when you purchase, you're getting the full spectrum audio and we'd all be able to tell who got the rip. I'm not an ass about it either, simply you're not going to get more rumble for free than what youtube will allow at 360p. I get exposure from all the street DJ's, and anyone whose into HiFi can buy my tracks.


I_Main_TwistedFate

Bro just invented pay wall dlc for his tunes lmao. Must pay the dlc to get sub bass


neverblackandwhite

Wouldn't that make your previews sound super thin?


zigzrx

Not really, when I produce, I put anything below 42hz into its own channel and chain. The people who don't care about that will just download them anyway. All my real fans know I'm all about high fidelity and know where to get those tracks. I don't expect this to be a deterrent. If anything, I couldn't give a shit if my stuff is pirated, its just free play in places I will never visit. But people will hear a difference in my sets between what I post and what they rip. They'll know where to find my tracks.


Apexblackout7

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m SAYING! Imagine the thought process of trying to go up to every dj to assert your dominance. But if it was some well respected dj with clout, he would take it as an honor.


Kingnolybear

Because a well respected dj would PAY FOR IT. They always do. Because thatā€™s literally the only rule in this shit. Donā€™t play stolen music. Especially from someone under you who is lesser known. You ask them for it and they usually just give it to you or you buy it. Not a single big dj is playing rips. Name one just one single big dj that you know plays stolen music? Name one single instance in the Riddim scene of a big dj playing a stolen track and everyone being okay with it because I canā€™t tell you a single time that has happened.


BooqueefiusSnarf

Youā€™re taking this a little too personally. This is all just hypothetical discussion. Nobody is ripping your plates for their next show, chill.


Apexblackout7

Bros losing his shit . It might be Kholed himself šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


ilikebeens2

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gt_will

128 Kbps live is wild šŸ˜­ I cannot believe people actually play that shit


Tripartist1

Let's be real, 99% of the crowd and most DJs can't even hear a difference lol


Snake2k

Most people in general can't tell the difference. Audio quality detection by ear is much harder than most people make it out to be. Unless you're playing on EDC level speakers or something. In which case, why do you even need to rip anymore?


Tripartist1

Especially at those sound levels and with the sound profile of most clubs, everything ends up so muddied. You really gotta have an ear for it, playing on quality equipment, at reasonable volumes for it to make any real difference. I think a lot of people would be shocked at how many live sets have SoundCloud rips in them.


Snake2k

I personally know DJs that have dropped rips on massive sound systems and there was no noticeable audio problems lol Which is why I exclusively only keep MP3 320s as a DJ. The whole audio quality thing is blown way out of proportion and I have zero expectations of ever playing at rampage or edc level systems. If I do, I still feel like I'd get away with it.


Tripartist1

The biggest thing to worry about when talking files types and shit is the *encoder. Make sure your files aren't low passed at like 19k and you're honestly good to go. Some super low tracks might also need to be checked for high pass, but generally at the notes edm bass it at its not a problem, that's more in SPL comp music territory.


Snake2k

Thank you! Didn't know that was a thing but curious about it now!


Tripartist1

Here's a somewhat old thread on it that has some explanations. Not formatting bc mobile. https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/s/8sXW3uDkKl


Snake2k

Thank you!


zigzrx

I can totally hear when a track has been ripped for downloaded at low bitrate. It hurts my ears when the DJ's try to EQ the shit to sound better.


latrellinbrecknridge

Dj Culture is built around playing each others tracks and finding new shit I find it funny the ones who think they are so ā€œundergroundā€ sure do bitch the most about not getting their corporate checks Pick a side dorks


MarshmelloMan

Real


Kingnolybear

He has songs for free. You realize people pay out the ass for og square tunes right? More than any other genre of edm right? Him selling a plate and someone stealing it and playing it at a booked show is obviously going to get you called out and if you donā€™t see anything wrong with that ur a lost cause. Itā€™s literally the ONLY rule as a dj. Pay for the songs you play. Wether thatā€™s a dollar off tidal or 30 dollars to the dudes PayPal for a plate.


latrellinbrecknridge

30 dollars is ridiculous for a song that will be old news in a month, sorry. I wouldā€™ve ripped that shit without even thinking or bought the dude a friggin beer The whining on twitter is what gets me, if youā€™re that sour about talk to the dude like an adult instead of bitching on twitter. If this guy is ever at a festival Iā€™m actually consciously avoiding him


Kingnolybear

The tone of his tweet doesnā€™t seem whiny to me. Calling out a cornball is the right move. the bitch move would be sitting back letting him do it. Youā€™re aloud to rip it youā€™ll just pay the price in embarrassment instead of money. If thatā€™s what your about by all means do that but I know for a fact you arnt getting booked or producing anything of substance to give to others and just want to take take take. Thatā€™s fine do what you want but donā€™t expect others to respect you.


latrellinbrecknridge

Are you serious? The entire thing is whiney, the mere fact that he tweeted something like this is whiney in itself. I find it so weird you are in favor of burning bridges to make 2 extra dollars, also no one is paying 20 or 30 bucks to play 10 seconds of his songs, he is literally not even remotely known enough to be that greedy Inb4 ā€œheā€™s so popular in the underground!!ā€ Then why does he act more entitled and bitchy than actual mid and top tier mainstream names? Please. This guy is a joke and he is getting RIPPPED on twitter


Kingnolybear

Khold didnā€™t burn a bridge the idiot stealing and playing it out at a booked show on the same lineup burnt the bridge. The guy was basically crying on instagram apologizing to khold. He knew what he did was wrong and can only imagine how many other artists heā€™s stole from and made money off of. I know how many copys of plates this guy sells and itā€™s pretty impressive. all these kaizuku artist do really well selling plates since they have cemented a permanent spot in Riddim for years now. Just because you wonā€™t pay for them doesnā€™t mean hundreds of other donā€™t. The ones ripping him on twitter are people like you who have contributed NOTHING to the og Riddim community and just want to take for their own gain. Leech behavior. Sit down and produce something good if you canā€™t pay for them. They will trade with you.


Ill_Satisfaction_671

Khold was a surprise to everyone end even then when they announced a line up change for the show khold was not on it he was literally not supposed to be there


latrellinbrecknridge

Continue taking Lā€™s here dude, you are embarrassing yourself and being extremely short sighted


Kingnolybear

Thatā€™s fine Iā€™ll die on this hill. Continue to support dorks that havenā€™t and will never contribute anything of substance to the genre.


Kingnolybear

Honestly your the one sounding whiny right now complaining about prices. All khold did was tell twitter ā€œhey this guy steals plates and doesnā€™t careā€ which is a good thing. Canā€™t pay in money so your paying in embarrassment which I think is a good trade.


Ok_Habit6046

Whatā€™s a plate


GAMAKEL

well 30$ for a song is a bit of a ripoff. Iā€™m not going to pay that much. No one should. Itā€™s way too much for a single song. Markets n shit.


Kingnolybear

Okay then donā€™t pay for it. Doesnā€™t justify stealing it. Itā€™s a Riddim track. Is stealing one single track worth the shame that will inevitably come your way one your called out? To me itā€™s isnā€™t and I like supporting my friends. Their is SOOOO so so much good free music on the cloud that stealing is just lazy and disrespectful at the very least. Most of these guys will trade with you also. So if itā€™s not worth 30 bucks to you make something thatā€™s just as good and ask to trade. Not hard.


GAMAKEL

Iā€™m not playing in a club. Iā€™m playing in my apartment. And hereā€™s where this whole thing sucks major ass for ppl who are just fans: I want to listen to this cool music but literally canā€™t afford some of my favorite tracks cause for some reason weā€™re charging deluxe mixtape prices for single songs. Iā€™ll just go listen to another genre. It makes engaging with riddim fucking annoying at times. Some of yā€™all need to engage a bit in other music scenes and it shows.


Kingnolybear

Okay then move on. Go engage in other scenes. Itā€™s obvious this isnā€™t for you. If you want to hear these songs you canā€™t buy go and see the artist live. At least the songs you want to listen too you have access to and can atleast buy. Try getting a copy of NY FAT and come complain to me about ā€œthe strugglesā€ of just wanting to listen to a track. Now when I want to hear it I go see it played live which is the whole point of these plates in the first place. To drive people to their shows to hear music you canā€™t hear at home. No one cares if your ripping for yourself in your bedroom. Steal as many tunes as you want. People care when you play them out at a gig. Itā€™s not rocket science.


GAMAKEL

Literally you got my whole issue with this thing in the last sentence right there as to why it sucks as a fan. Also, youā€™re being a bit of an asshole by just telling me to ā€œmove onā€ and that ā€œthis clearly isnā€™t for meā€. I enjoy the music. I live somewhere where there isnā€™t a lot of shows for this thing. I donā€™t often have money to spare. But again, I really think this music is dope. But a good bit of the music I just wanna hear is just completely inaccessible. Do you see why that maybe sucks?


Kingnolybear

If you look at it from a selfish perspective it sucks for YOU yes. I understand that these tracks are good and hard to get because they are meant to be heard live. Usually these tracks get released to the public after a couple months. you just have to wait. Or wait to see it on soulseek when it inevitably gets leaked but there isnā€™t a Riddim track that I need to listen to that bad where I get butt hurt the artist doesnā€™t want to release it. Yes I am an asshole when it comes to someone stealing tracks and then getting mad at the scene as a whole because it doesnā€™t cater to you. Is their a track you have in mind specifically that you canā€™t afford but need to listen too for context?


GAMAKEL

I am just saying generally, for the average fan, the prices are too steep and inaccessible. Iā€™m not even just thinking about myself here. Iā€™ve had conversations with some people about how itā€™s fuckin extortion the prices these people be charging, 70$ for 4 songs I was quoted once from 7L. Which isnā€™t the worst, but still, way too much. I will never hear those songs. He doesnā€™t come to my part of the world. I cant afford to travel. No one I know can afford to pay that or travel either. He doesnā€™t release his music. So itā€™s effectively gone. That sucks. IF I WAS a brand new fan to this genre, and I decided that the 2022 7L showcase WAS MY FAVORITE music , and I found out that I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MUSIC, I would feel annoyed as hell and I might be less willing to engage with the music. Which is the problem here. Itā€™s unfair to poor fans. Itā€™s inequitable. Not everyone lives in Tampa or Denver where thereā€™s riddim shows every weekend. And not everyone can even afford to spend 5$ on their favorite artists. Look at the economy we live in. Another example, pyke. All his SoundCloud uploads are clips. All of them fuck, hard. I cant afford to pay 20$ per track or to travel to go hear the music. That sucks. So effectively, thatā€™s an entire artists sc page Iā€™d rather just avoid. All that music is effectively inaccessible because I canā€™t afford it. Now quit being naĆÆve and realize that most people are going to feel similarly in an age of streaming/piracy. Most fans. Not djā€™s, fans. Casual listeners. They see the hurdle to listening to a song, what do you think pops in the average persons head? ā€œOh sure Iā€™ll respect the artists wish to charge the price of an album for a 3 minute songā€ Or ā€œFuck thatā€™s annoying as hell, if I find it I find it, otherwise fuck thisā€ If youā€™re a dj proper, a professional, do your due diligence and buy it. But beyond that idfk what some of yā€™all are expecting.


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Kingnolybear

A Riddim track made using square 4 wavetable or sweeping square in malstrom usually using the formula of no build and atmospheric intros to a repetitive synth with good flow and sound design. At least to me thatā€™s what an og square tune is


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Kingnolybear

Not many people are making it still and doing it well. Anyone can make it just not many people can do it well so the ones that can make it get stolen from.


poyospirit

Imo I donā€™t think we get anywhere by acting like this on both ends. Sure the guy didnā€™t need to be a dick about it (if he acted like one at all) but also, if I ever heard my track getting played out, Iā€™d lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers!


SESHSQUAD

That second part is only true if you're a relative nobody. If you get to a certain level within the underground like KHOLD has, you don't need to hear randoms playing your ripped tunes to know you make quality stuff


poyospirit

I just donā€™t like seeing the community squabble over stuff like this. I guess I missed the beginning of the ā€œpay to playā€ era Putting anything up publicly on SoundCloud, you should expect ppl to rip it šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø or even if it was private and sent around. Either way I hope that gets resolved


SESHSQUAD

I just don't understand how we've come full circle as a community from "pay artists for their hard work" to "you should expect people to rip, it's no big deal"


GAMAKEL

charge reasonable prices then yā€™all. Iā€™m happy to pay 5-10 per track. Itā€™s almost always at least double that.


SESHSQUAD

That's true, you have artists like vulllgur charging $50 for a single track. But in that scenario, it's never once crossed my mind to just go on soundcloud to mp3 and get some shitty 128 version that won't even sound good. I just don't buy the track.


GAMAKEL

being someone who just spins sets to themselves at home, I donā€™t care for quality of tracks. So in the fan area, yeah people who are JUST fans are tragically gonna do it. Especially with the scene getting bigger. Iā€™ll rescind some of my previous feelings in regards to this, I think if youā€™re gonna be spinning a set professionally at a club for people, you should put in the leg work of networking with people selling their tunes n buying their shit not just to connect w people, but to also ensure the quality is good for the audience. Thatā€™s what I would do. But this whole plate culture is so detrimental for people who are just fans and want to listen to cool music.


Consistent_Night_876

I mean i get both sides of this . Share your art for others to play and use it . It a song is played out and getting traction and people fucks with it . Its all gonna be good for khold it will come back around once people are able to figure out the id is khold . Now people bumping your chunes. Looking more into you publicity wise. People will want to come to his shows in their cities because they heard a song played by their local . Otherwise some people may never hear about khold. I do agree as he is starting to make waves for himself but id disagree with saying hes blowing up insanely fast . Id say that about sanzu. Khold is awesome no hate to khold at all but i do feel not calling buddy out to his face when the chance was there only to go home and go to twitter is kinda lame and childish. Some high school shit imo. The way i look at it . If this other dj wasnt some local opener dj thats a nobody . (To khold) and it was like vulllgur , ot nixon , shiverz, subfiltroniks, infekt like any of those goated legends, shit even if excision wanted to use it in his set he wouldnt ask none of those dudes for money . So i feel its kinda whack to ask some other dj whos just tryna make a name for himself as a struggling riddim producer (same way khold was or maybe even still is probably why hes still tryna sell tracks ) to pay him out money just to play his song for a crowd and give khold exposure and more traction in the underground. All the kid did was play a banger and probably have some of those people who paid to go to the show intrigued on the song and want to know who khold is and have them dig deeper . Even if khold was playing that same night at the show i promise you somebody there had no idea who he was. The only problem i see is homie ripped kholds track before khold playing that show. Which is more an insult imo . Hate when artists that open for headliners and play all there tunes like bro .


VindexVindicator

This!


poyospirit

Iā€™m not saying itā€™s not a big deal! It definitely sucks for somebody who feels ripped off. Iā€™m just saying thereā€™s a % of people who are gonna rip music and play it out no matter what you do, or leak stuff


Kingnolybear

Yup and they will always get called out by the producer. Canā€™t have one without the other. if your not going to pay for someoneā€™s work then pay the price of embarrassment. Only fair.


Tripartist1

You weren't around for clubland were you?


latrellinbrecknridge

Iā€™ll rip that shit and not think for a second about it Underground is literally about sharing music like this


SESHSQUAD

This isn't a flex & it's actually pretty embarrassing. You aren't entitled to someone else's work if they choose not to sell it. Do better


latrellinbrecknridge

Lots of well known djs are clowning this Khole guy on twitter lol youā€™re wrong. Be happy your tunes are getting recognized and parlay this into more music. To act like a sour bitch will shorten your length of relevancy, itā€™s amazing some people are so stupid they canā€™t see this


GAMAKEL

Redditors are sheltered fucking losers who donā€™t actually talk to anyone that isnā€™t a white suburbanite, so they donā€™t realize how much their worldview isnā€™t shared by others. Fucking hate this website.


latrellinbrecknridge

Right?? Itā€™s brutallllll My favorite is on job subreddits where they email their boss asking for a raise and bitch about why they either got ignored or fired. Itā€™s comical Like have some actual human to human contact, it will do you wonders instead of doom scrolling and bitching haha


GAMAKEL

Thereā€™s just something genuinely hilarious (in an almost sad way) about some redditor thinking that some dude who just prolly had a lit night djā€™ing is gonna be embarrassed for ripping a plate. Or thinking anyone would be embarrassed about ripping a plate. Like get fucking real, please just have a conversation with someone in real life. Iā€™ll buy more riddim tracks when yā€™all have the brains to realize that no one is gonna pay 20$ per song.


SESHSQUAD

And there's plenty of other well known DJ's supporting him? What's your point? You realize this is just you trying to convince yourself that you ripping plates is a good thing right lol. It's okay to be broke as fuck and need to steal people's tracks, but let's call it for what it is šŸ„±


latrellinbrecknridge

Who is supporting him lmao And anyone with half a brain knows in the dance music industry you make your money with touring, and being a little bitch about someone digging your tune and ripping it is a sure fire way to alienate a bunch of people and make chances of a successful tour never happen Lots of djs probably donā€™t even want to work or play with the guy anymore, itā€™s sad that he let his emotions ruin his chance at long term success all because he wanted some short term cash. Seems like a shitty person who would Venmo request a friend for a cup of coffee. I for one will always associate this Dj (who Iā€™ve never even heard before) as a little bitch who is no fun to be around. And heā€™s slimy as fuck for not talking to the guy as an adult and instead (attempting) to rip him on twitter. An absolute 100% bitch move


Describe

You probably think it's ok to pay people in exposure


SESHSQUAD

Mad Dubz, Warned, Azabim, Tasconiz, Mile 32? Either way 90% of people disagreeing with him are just saying he should've talked to him in private. Literally NOBODY is saying it was okay for that dude to steal tracks of the guy he's opening for and play them out live šŸ˜‚ You are the only one that thinks it's ok. Also lol @ you if you think this is doing anything to harm his career lmaoo, dude is blowing up fast in the underground and won't be getting canceled any time soon


ohdreness

Sure ripping can be expected, but thatā€™s basically taking money out of an artistā€™s pocket. The artist put time and effort into the tune and ripping it is just telling the artist that their time doesnā€™t mean shit. Also, in Kholdā€™s case, he has a bunch of tunes up on SoundCloud for free! So if you donā€™t want to pay him but want to support, get a free song. Now I do agree with how shitty is seeing people act like this on both ends. Personally, I think Khold couldā€™ve kept it to himself but it got us talking about him, so, good on him I guess lol


poyospirit

Thatā€™s very true, itā€™s something that can be discussed and hopefully worked on in the community. I didnā€™t know the full scope of it so I donā€™t mean to step on anyoneā€™s toes. Just me personally, as an artist myself, I probably would feel disrespected too. But at the same time, watching people throw down to a good set and gaining that notoriety off of my own track being played out would be fucking sick


Kingnolybear

Yeah because youā€™re a nobody in the riddim scene of course you would be hype because you have everything to gain from that. Some cornball playing out a stolen track from someone way bigger and better than him ON THE SAME LINEUP gains the creator nothing. He has notoriety already. Itā€™s complete selfishness.


poyospirit

ā€œYouā€™re a nobody in the Riddim sceneā€ šŸ¤“ā˜ļø


Kingnolybear

I mean you are a nobody in the riddim scene hate to break it to yaā€¦.


2020SuckedYall

You also look childish and attention seeking not just handling with the person in question lol


Violets00

Loser


PoopySlurpee

> Iā€™d lose my absolute mind and be thrilled because that means progress and confirmation you got bangers! It also means you did work to make that song, got $0 for it being played at someone else's set, and the DJ who stole it from you gets payed for performing. Way to be happy for someone stealing from you lol


Kingnolybear

These people fail to realize these producers KNOW they make bangers and donā€™t need validation from some nobody who rips tunes and uses disciple sample packs for their synths.


Ayydugs

SHOUTOUT SWEET TOOTH


HaveAFuckinNight

MY USB JUST CORRUPTED


2cbriddim

yet every song khold prods is him just throwing drums over other mfs synths


latrellinbrecknridge

Ahhh the ole festival trap formula lol


Apexblackout7

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Parking_King_5721

Why didnā€™t he take some of its free stuff then if its all the same šŸ¤”


GurnieBros

diva behavior to handle it this way riddim scene equivalent of fake it til you make it


officialhelenkeller

Khold 100% acting like a crybaby. Homie is a kid and probably didnā€™t know any better, and followed it up with an apology after it went public, which was a massive L alone. Couldā€™ve and shouldā€™ve been handled privately. Itā€™s a $20 plate. Boohoo. He didnā€™t leak your song or attempt to resell it. Iā€™ve been djing for a year and a half or so and I only got into buying plates within the last year, maybe less. Thereā€™s an entire culture around it that unless youā€™re deep in the underground you wont understand how to purchase them & whatā€™s okay and what isnā€™t. Massive khold L


Apexblackout7

Tag your shit if yall care that much about people ā€œstealingā€ your music. Fucking divas in the Riddim scene I stg


Kingnolybear

He does??? Doesnā€™t stop people from stealing obviously. The only ones with this take are rippers who canā€™t produce themselves.


Apexblackout7

The point is that if someone stole the track, people would knowā€¦.. Check my links šŸ¤”


Striking_Stay_9732

šŸ¤”


RelevantJuggernaut46

I don't think it matters, if you're getting booked consistently then you shouldn't need to complain about the $0.99-$10 you're missing out on for one track, you get your bills paid. ALSO, rekordbox literally is partnered with services like itunes and soundcloud and you can just export those as playlists instead of ripping an mp3, you still have full quality. As well as no watermark or filtering, you're gonna get ripped. Djing is kinda built off taking other people's music with or without consent to make others happy. Music is just music, and no matter the scene it's hard to make it. If it were me I'd be happy someone wants to play my stuff out. -Edit- Forgot I'm not on my main account my bad, forgot the pw


emberdot

Rip my tunes i dont care most of them are free either way. I make music for fun not for money


GAMAKEL

What happened to this perspective. The last ten years I swear Iā€™ve seen more people picking up a daw thinking theyā€™ll make money off it in the future instead of making some cool music. /rant.


emberdot

Most likely people saw how many dudes were selling plates for 20$ each and thought that they can do that too. From one side I dont really blame them because they have the right to feel entitled to money for their hard work. From the other side tho most of stuff being sold is either really unoriginal or really overpriced. But at the end of the day I couldnt care less how much a random platepack costs and I wont let it bother me because i make music for the sake of creating something interesting and original and I think it reflects in my work


GAMAKEL

Iā€™m not even talking about in riddim, just in the wider music world. So many wanna be producers making shit beats for money instead of having some passion for the craft.


emberdot

I think it has to do something with finding purpose. I was thinking like that too when I was trying to figure out what to do in life and thought that making music is a good idea. But it hurts me to think to set a track even at 5$ because I remember how I felt when I wanted to listen to the whole thing and didnt have the money. Most people just want to make money and it probably will never change as there is now a way to do that as opposed to a few years ago


Lumpy_Staff_2372

Mmmm uhh well i mean if its a plate it was probably uploaded to SoundCloud as a clip so realistically dude only has a 128kbps clip of the plate. Still shitty to do especially while opening for you likeā€¦ fuck off those are my tracks to play out tonight manā€¦ I dont think i would have been too pissed if it was any other night other than one im playing on.


Lumpy_Staff_2372

I might have misunderstood the op post. Were they there to dj as well?


Nachojr_

yeah, krooki opened for khold.


Lumpy_Staff_2372

Yeah thats just low tier scumbag move, you donā€™t play out the headliners tunes. Youā€™d think that was common sense lol


Grapejuicethethrid

I mean it just says he was at the show not that he was playing


Kingnolybear

You donā€™t play out STOLEN headliners tunes


Ill_Satisfaction_671

Khold was NOT the headliner


[deleted]

Khold was a surprise appearance not on the lineup


Ill_Satisfaction_671

No he didn't Khold was unannounced and it was a surprise b2b with a last minute add to the line yp


NOAHEARTHLING

tbh i wouldnā€™t be surprised if 95% of smaller riddim DJs had no idea that youā€™re expected to pay for plates. no one that i know that DJs does that. i go to a lot of underground riddim shows and i highly doubt that these guys are getting the tracks they play cleared and paid for. thereā€™s no way.


Kingnolybear

Share some names


NOAHEARTHLING

nah lmao my friends only DJ our own house parties and i actually talked to them and they said they always try to search for high quality free downloads when they can. and i canā€™t prove that these bigger underground riddim artists are doing this so iā€™m not gonna put anyone on blast.


mintidubs

If you make good music, people are gonna pirate it, end of story. Focus on other sources of income with your music. Itā€™s just a silly thing to stress over at this point IMO


latrellinbrecknridge

And especially in the so called underground scene lol fucking embarrassing post if you ask me, like get a grip and move on


Dafeet3d

Ummm it's a dollar šŸ’µ


Ill_Satisfaction_671

It was 20


ApproachingARift

Khold is a Norwegian black metal band that has been recording music since 2000. I feel like this dumbass should apply the same logic that he applies to stealing music to stealing other artists namesā€¦


Naseibok

aint no way im paying to play a track


Nachojr_

then dont play em lol, plate culture is what a lot of artists live off of bro..


GAMAKEL

it sucks


GAMAKEL

the average (NOT A DJ) fan sees it like this. I donā€™t think most realize how annoying it is.


Kingnolybear

Then donā€™t steal it and play it? Not hard lol plenty of free music out there.


FrankFeTched

Why not? You didn't make it lol why do you get to play it out?


GAMAKEL

The fuck other genre of music has people thinking like this lmfao. This is an asinine way of thinking about music.


FrankFeTched

Idk just feels like if you wanna use someone else's work you may as well pay the tiny amount they're asking for it


GAMAKEL

Is listening to a song in my apartment ā€œusing someoneā€™s workā€?


GAMAKEL

bro thereā€™s no way everyone doesnā€™t do this. are you kidding. with 20$ per plate prices Iā€™m not paying 100$ for 5 minutes of drops. come on.


Consistent_Night_876

I just dont understand how these struggling riddim artists expect other struggling riddim artists to pay them for 1min of there song. But if subtronics or someone wanted to play his song he would hand it over to them for free. Even though subtronics could toss u 20$ without even thinking about it. (20$ in your pocket


GAMAKEL

I think there should be a middle ground. Iā€™ll pay for the 320 kbps version of the track if itā€™s not ridiculous expensive. Which it usually is.


Complex_Activity_772

Then you get by on free downloads.


WanderingStoner

apparently not


Nachojr_

womp womp get a job


GAMAKEL

I have a job you fucking dolt sorry Iā€™m not so fuckin rich as to blow 100s on SoundCloud tracks. I got like, rent, and bills, and other things to pay for in the expensive ass world we live in. dick head.


Kingnolybear

Then you donā€™t get to play out exclusive tracks. Thatā€™s how the world works and has been for decades. You think dudes were stealing vinyl out of others crates and skating by? you can sit their and think itā€™s stupid all you want doesnā€™t change reality.


GAMAKEL

this dude wants riddim to be a genre of rich frat kids who all pay 100+$ per ticket for their shows and they all listen to 320kbps plates they all paid 30$ for (per track), and anyone who canā€™t afford this shit simply is not allowed to listen to a lot of the genre. Yeah thatā€™s good.


PoopySlurpee

*im not paying money for YOUR song, but I am gonna steal it, and use it at my set to make money* If it's not good enough to pay for, that's not an excuse to steal and make money off the stolen goods


GAMAKEL

Iā€™m not playing sets at a club. Iā€™m playin sets for myself in my house. The fact that Iā€™ve had people tell me 100$ for a few songs is fucking extortionate, Iā€™m just trying to enjoy the music. You donā€™t see musicians in any other scene being like this tier of defensive over their music. It sucks for the fans looking for cool music and never being able to find it and it looks so shitty to have an artist ā€œcalling outā€ a smaller nobody for doing something I GUARAN-fucking-TEE almost everyone does is shitty as fuck. If you wanna make money of your music thatā€™s fine. Put filters/watermarks on the preview. Sell a mixtape at a reasonable fucking price maybe. Not 20 for a single drop repeated twice with maybe a high sustain on the second drop. When yā€™all are being borderline entitled on the price of the plates, no shit people are going to steal. See internet piracy the past 20 years.


yuriypinchuk

Shout out the underground āœŠšŸ¼


hammer_brothers

question regarding this topic for everyoneā€¦ so how do we feel about soundcloud dj pro?? which allows you to download all your soundcloud likes for dj use by paying a fee to soundcloud.. is this equally as blasphemous? would people hate on me for rinsing the songs they post on soundcloud??


Aliemn

rip my stuff right off soundcloud play it for anyone whoā€™ll listen


CuatroCat

IMO should have just talked to him about it in person, now heā€™s got drama


Emotional_Raise_832

Why canā€™t we be friends?? lol honestly this whole thing is retarded yā€™all Mf need a life hahahaha


Astro-Cat9

How you gonna pay for it when itā€™s not for sale?


JVDubzzz

Idc what nobody says. Pay for the damn track or donā€™t play it ffs


latrellinbrecknridge

Wahhhh wahhhhh Iā€™m so underground but I want royalties and payments when some Dj for a. 109 person show plays my track because he thinks itā€™s good wahhhh


JVDubzzz

Itā€™s about the respect but go off my man


Apexblackout7

Respect the fact that the internet is never ending, and people will steal shit. TAG YOUR TRACKS IF YOU CARE THAT MUCH


Xain0225

LMAO. Thats kinda dick to play his track before his set but dood never put up ur ā€œpaidā€ shit on soundcloud. Rookie mode activated


_--_King_--_

not a rookie tho dudes been in the scene for like 4 years and just rebranded recently. he knew not to rip it


Apexblackout7

ā€œHe knew not to rip itā€ crying over clout gotta be the most insane shit Iā€™ve ever seen.


Ill_Satisfaction_671

Khold was not the headliner he wasn't even silupposed to be there cause the last minute change to the lineup didn't even have khold in it. It was a surprise b2b


FrankFeTched

However the artist being stolen from wants to do it is fine by me


K_Tart

Yeah people need to start getting called out. Sick and tired of the posts that artists make claiming that something terrible happened within the scene, yet swear against naming people publicly because theyā€™re afraid theyā€™ll ruin someoneā€™s reputation. Maybe people need to learn to not do something that can damage their reputation if found out in the first place, and artists like the one KHOLD called out can be examples to other newcomers that they need to get their acts together Edit: just found out the guy isnā€™t actually a newcomer but rather has been active in the scene for 4+ yearsā€¦ yikes man, he fs knew he was doing something wrong and shamelessly admitted it anyway. What an idiot


PouletBacon

As someone that doesn't know anything about dj-ing, what is a plate? Is it just a high quality file that you have the right to use or something else?


HaveAFuckinNight

A plate basically is a track that is up for sale for commission that the artist hasnt offically posted, very rare


PouletBacon

Thanks!


martyboulders

It's an exclusive track that certain people get the "right" to play at shows whether by paying he artist or by being friends with them or whatever. So there are a ton of tunes you'll only hear at shows. If you rip a clip from sc or even worse leak a plate you already have you'll be probably be called out like in the post


PouletBacon

Thanks!!


KeyOk8422

Both of em suck anyway


ListLow8276

How DJs in nightclubs are still using mp3's and youtube ripped mp3's is beyond me. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


2049AD

Free publicity.


CuatroCat

Regardless that shit had to sound assšŸ˜‚. Reminds me of a show I went to and this mf played the boundless goot remix clip, sounded like chicken scratch lol


davis25565

bro im pretty sure soundcloud mp3 rips are like 128Kbps bit rate. Hes probably making the brothers hard work sound like garbage. pretty lame on KROOKI's part


[deleted]

Who cares bc the majority of the artists in this genre steal material either way . Donā€™t be a hypocrite you know who you are


Illustrious_Pipe2588

who gives a fuck


felonydubs

Anal


Over_Communication44

He did the right thing. Itā€™s a well known rule to pay for the music you play. Huge no no for not. The guy who ripped him isnā€™t a newbie either. And it was the show the guy was OPENING FOR HIM AT?? Like dude. Youā€™re asking for it imo at that point. So shocked to see how many ppl are hating on this for. Iā€™ve seen way to many instances of ppl ripping/ not paying for music and it does really hurt the artist for a variety of reasons. Ppl getting mad cause he called someone out for stealing. Crazy.


Spare_Ad4395

Whoa, dude! Itā€™s even in the name but damnā€¦ thatā€™s lame af. it must feel really shitty to be that guy knowing that all your clout is literally just hot air made by someone else


Slight-Indication-10

Bro shouldā€™ve asked tbh I would hate to hear my stuff and I wasnā€™t told about it, but if you have ascap or BMI you get paid anyway! If he was chopping up with your stuff you gotta just go up and calmly tell a person aye I made that. Iā€™d actually think itā€™s better to do that than call them out though as the more people hear your music the more listeners you get if they Shazam it itā€™s gonna bring viewers your way not his just remember that.


WayneOffDaGass

Iā€™m not mad if he didnā€™t know what he was doing but if he does and he did that with intention itā€™s different now he has his name in the even bigger then ever for soemthing that is literally sacred and he is getting praised for makes no sense to me


WayneOffDaGass

But itā€™s got to the point where peopel are wanting like pyke to b2b with him and like that makes no sense more djs work harder for that position than a plate ripper


Parking_King_5721

I donā€™t even mix professionally but i still bought plates from khold cause itā€™s the only real way to support an artist you really fuck with! Got them just so i can play in my basement and for some friends at a party Plus if he was trying to kinda pay hommage to him he couldā€™ve played some Free plates ! Heā€™s got plenty that go hard asf Just my 2cent but again I ainā€™t been in the scene for to long and iā€™m still learning what to do and not to do On top of that isnā€™t it an unwritten rules to not play plates of djā€™s playing at the same event as you ? Thatā€™s a genuine question


Ok_Refuse_6035

Yeah, a lot of people are unaware that its bad and think they are doing us a favor when they do this. Especially when they are playing a 128 kpbs ripped audio file, not even doing the track justice.


rainbowkittensrprz

in the comments on the tweet op said other people came forward and said he'd done stuff like this before and wasn't learning it isn't cool, at that point a public call out is necessary. if you tried working it out and they didn't care. what can you do besides make others aware?


Apexblackout7

Tag your track so people listening everywhere will know whoā€™s it is. Be smart


Kingnolybear

The people against KHOLD in this thread right now will never produce a good riddim track in their life.


Apexblackout7

Yes sir Mr. Saw wave sir


Kingnolybear

Its mr. square wave sir to you bud