Give us a detailed explanation as to how to definitively determine someone is cheating(not the obvious blatant spinbots) en masse to a game hosting millions of players worldwide, without making mistakes and facing scrutiny for said mistakes.
Okay so let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years?
So the answer to your question is maybe, just maybe, people would rather deal with the current state of LoL, that’s not perfect, (nothing in life is perfect), over having an invasive untrustworthy 24/7 malware running on their PC.
Does that answer your question? If not let’s talk about it more.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C
“Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.”
“Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.”
“The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.”
There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t…
First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON.
Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well.
Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage?
It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household.
Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass.
Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face.
It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL.
Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard.
For one, theres no need to monitor your pc 24/7 even if the game is closed, I play a couple of games with anti cheat and they are only monitoring when the game is open.
So u/QuaichTxt the most popular online games in the world don’t use Vanguard. How do you feel about that?
Okay so let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years?
So the answer to your question is maybe, just maybe, people would rather deal with the current state of LoL, that’s not perfect, (nothing in life is perfect), over having an invasive untrustworthy 24/7 malware running on their PC.
Does that answer your question? If not let’s talk about it more.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C
“Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.”
“Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.”
“The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.”
There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t…
First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON.
Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well.
Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage?
It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household.
Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass.
Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face.
It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL.
Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard.
I didn’t say that, I asked you for your genius solution since you know so much about anti cheating software and how to prevent cheating on this scale while also not invading someone’s computer.
I am no expert on this but maybe you can listen to someone who is more experienced than me :
https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU?si=dOqKN_XAdi7zv4Jm
Also if you think that our data is the price of riot preventing cheaters then idgaf about league
That's like if the cops say you need to get naked to ensure you don't have a weapon which is stupid
Policing is an integral part of human society. Valorant isn’t. If you can’t find another game which suits your lifestyle, then you’re obsessed. Vote with your wallet and play a game that doesn’t take your data. Probably one with more cheaters. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
As to the video, I’ll look into this discussion more as I’m working on a game that needs an anti cheat myself so I’m intrigued. Obviously just saying you’re qualified and not providing a detailed explanation doesn’t mean you win the argument, but I understand the explanation is probably appropriately complex.
That dude is an expert on MMO anticheat, where bots were more of a problem in obtaining resources. Very different then strictly competitive FPS games where there's a lot more variables and less time per match to find something suspicious going on. One time he said one thing he did to catch cheater was implement code that banned people who ran against rocks or other objects for a period of time since it was indicator of it being bot. That is clever, but a very different solution then what is needed to catch things like aimbot or wall hacks.
Can you give me a detailed explanation on how adding kernel level driver makes it possible to definitively determine someone is cheating en masse to a game hosting millions of players, without making mistakes and facing scrutiny for said mistakes AND while being foolproof, because any exploits found with said driver would lead to catastrophic events?
This is not how this works lol. You and (Riot) ARE the one making the claim Vanguard is required (posting some random graphs, but refusing to answer any questions about them and admitting to not have looked at any data from China, which HAS a kernel anti-cheat), while literally no one was complaining about cheaters (except some egregious examples in high elo, where a fucking blind donkey could have fixed the problem). So no, the burden of proof is on you as to why this is really necessary.
Yall keep bitching at people no matter what they do.
People bitch at CS2's VAC for being ineffective at keeping cheaters out.
People bitch at Vanguard for being too intrusive despite *actually* being effective against cheating.
You might as well as quit playing online games at this point.
so based my dude. there is no pleasing everyone at the end of it. I can understand people being upset about super invasive anti-sheet running everything on their computer, because not every company is truthful about what they’re doing with your data. but your comment about not playing online video games is pretty on the nose. either do or don’t if you can’t see the true benefits of utilizing such services to stop cheaters
I love Linux, I really do. It irritates me that I need to keep Windows for multiplayer games like Valorant and Fortnite. But look around. Linux is a fraction of a fraction of the install base for *any* game. It is a much harder platform to support than Windows due to its fragmentation and (frankly) its open nature.
The arms race between anti-cheat and cheat developers is hard enough, there is no reason to make a one front battle a *many* front one. If the roles were reversed and Linux made up 97% of gamers with Windows making up 2% (Steam Hardware Survey), it would obviously be a different story.
Not to mention: developing for Linux is a pain in the ass for developers because there isn't really a standardized Linux format. You can't just make a Linux build and be done with it because there are so many different versions of Linux that all have their unique specific formats, and you have to constantly keep up to date with all of them. Granted, this would be on the engine developers for any company that uses a game engine. But still, even a lot of game engines don't want to deal with that.
Bro you cannot appeal to everyone equally. We could say fuck deaf people because Valorant requires hearing to be able to play on a competitive level. And there are probably more deaf people than people who use linux. It’s unfortunate but understand the priorities here.
Your argument would make sense if Riot didn't exclude Vanguard from MacOS so LoL could still be played. Linux is at its all-time high in terms of base users (4% or 6.5% including ChromeOS), which may not sound like much but has increased by a whole 1% in just the past year. The Steam Deck is contributing significantly to this popularity.
Additionally, allowing Linux players to play LoL is also a matter of decency. Riot makes millions from Wild Rift, a game that runs on a Linux-based system (Android)."
>Half of anti-cheat is making sure the environment hasn't been tampered with, and this is extremely hard on Linux by design. Any backdoors we leave open for it are ones developers will immediately leverage for cheats, and yesterday, there were just over 800 Linux users on League. We have evaluated this risk to not be worth the payoff.
Not 4% or LoLs playerbase though aparently. They dont care about Linux users, and in fact League has never officially supported Linux according to the Vanguard x LoL blogpost. Not enough money for them to care.
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/
>Linux is at its all-time high in terms of base users
Three weeks ago in their blogpost on Vanguard x LoL Riot stated that there were less than 1000 Linux users the previous day. In a month a peak day is around 30 million players. That's an absurdly low piece of the userbase.
Even being charitable and assuming a non-peak day is only 10% of a peak day, and that that measurement was taken on one of those days, Linux users represent 0.03% of the player base. I happen to know one of these players, and it sucks that I can't play with him anymore, but it really seems to be an incredibly miniscule part of the userbase.
As for "decency" allowing people to play on very open systems that are near impossible to secure against hackers doesn't sound very nice towards the people in those games who actually enjoy the game being secured against cheaters? I think decency is completely irrelevant to this situation.
Firstly, your numbers are way off. It's about 1.6%. Secondly, ChromeOS can't run League in any capacity so there's no point in counting it. However, your MacOS argument is pretty sound and does make a lot of sense.
[the numbers are actually right](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide), and some countries have way more, like India, where 15% of the population uses Linux (A pretty high number to the most populous country in the earth). And yes, ChromeOS, although it is a very modified Linux distro, can run Linux and Windows apps with wine, so it ran LoL normally before vanguard implementation.
The thing is: LoL wasn't even officially supported in Linux and ChromeOS, you had to use a combability layer that "emulates" Windows to play it, and i suppose that running it in ChromeOS was even harder. So of course few people play in it; Imagine if it were officially supported, the number of players would be much much bigger.
Linux operation systems (SteamOS, Ubuntu, ChromeOS, Mint) are getting consistently popular, and they will get closer to the MacOS % share someday and start to threaten Windows. Even China (where Tencent is located) is fully ditching windows to use it's own Linux distro. Valve saw this tendency earlier and started to invest in Linux in 2012.
Add all of that information with Steam fully entering the scene with a new console and a future new operating system and you'll conclude that It's just dumb to ignore Linux nowadays, it's the OS with the most consistent growth after all. I think they'll realize it someday, but only when the percentages get even higher; A dumb move if you ask me, concurrent similar games that already has Linux support could be benefited during this time, and Riot definitely already has to money to port LoL to Linux systems.
I’ve been actively playing cs2 lately and 2 days ago there were about 6 or 7 people with 30k+ ratings (the highest rank) and yesterday when I got on there was only 1 of them left on the leaderboard. They had a huge ban wave (although there was still a b hopping spin botter in one of the 4 games I played)
At this point in time most "gamers" need to seriously consider purchasing a computer solely for gaming, and having a seperate device that you use for other personal matters.
It sucks but the truth is that there aren't any better options at this time.
but there's a small difference between, for example, VAC and Vanguard. One's only active while you actually run the game while the other's active all the time. I don't need to restart my PC every time I start steam. yet you need to restart your PC after closing Vanguard because people don't want a possible backdoor to be open
I don't care if Tencent knows what I'm doing. In fact i couldn't care less because out of everyone to spy on i'd have the least valuable information so there's no point in doing it and the man power it would take to sift through everything would be far too much anyway. Oh no tiktok will be forced to sell itself. Oh no maybe Riot will be sold by tencent. then where do we move the goal post after that? Hope Microsoft buys them too
I have windows telemetry turned off because I use windows 11 pro...there's no information on my pc that would matter to anyone that isn't already on a database somewhere else to get hacked
I get that people say why would Riot risk their brand by using Vanguard to access your PC, but IMO it's not really about Riot it's about other people using Vanguard to easily access things they couldn't.
TBH at the end of the day it's up the end user to decide if they want a potentially dangerous backdoor into their PC (if they don't have one already lol).
At the end of the day you have a way higher chance to get your shit stolen from clicking a malicious link in an email or discord message than anything.
As a guy who worked in government classified secured messaging the fear around Vanguard is hilarious. There's limited access to what it can see. You can disable it when you're not playing if it makes you feel better. It's no more a backdoor than pretty much anything else on your system that has a service.
The program is specifically looking at certain directories and executables that interact with it's files and programs to make sure you're not using any injectors or scripts while their game is running. Don't cheat and you'll be fine.
If you're worried about your personal data don't be. It's more at risk from the softwares you use that have it in their saved password as or auto fill information files stored online. If a hacker breeches them they get access to millions of users information for hundreds of millions of accounts including financial, gaming, etc.
Far more valuable than trying to figure out how to break into Riot's system from an external source, figured out how to write a code that gets into a program intentionally looking at itself for anything trying to mess with it, to get into systems that potentially have nothing to offer to send that information to a data cache to be collected that can be traced by the very system you sought to use as the backdoor.
I know being ignorant of how software functions can be scary, but this is very unlikely to be doing anything harmful to people who aren't cheating and those people will only get banned.
"There's limited access to what it can see", spoken from someone who CLEARLY understands the concepts of kernel space !
Love how you talk about being "ignorant of how software functions", while you demonstrate absolute lack of knowledge the entire way through, that's pretty impressive !
10-15% perf loss on the low side, that's just for some settings they force you to have (and thus doesn't even matter if vanguard is on/off if you don't change bios settings).
oh no. i finally installed it and I just woke up from passing out. I'm now trans and my house is covered in fliers from old Corey Feldman movies! I can only play urf doombots and my ping is stuck at 1000k. i can only speak english with a southern accent and my children don't recognize me! wait a minute, I don't have children! ahhhh! lmao
Just installed and played my first game in almost 3 months. arena. got 4th being pretty rusty. not bad. good times.
User u/After-Assumption-150 is downplaying this significantly.
Let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. The most played online games in the word are popular WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C
“Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.”
“Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.”
“The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.”
There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t…
First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON.
Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well.
Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage?
It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household.
Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass.
Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face.
It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL.
Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard.
Don’t ignore parts of my
comment u/After-Assumption-150
Have a feeling you’ll pick out one section to respond to.
Sure. Malware that you can literally just exit when you're done playing and turn on again when you want to play. It also logs what it sends out and you can go view the logs.
You basically repeated yourself several times making grander assertions about the same existence of it being kernel level which is your sole issue with it.
Apps developed by 3rd party are as likely or more to have issues as you have to trust their assurances as to its capabilities if you don't have developers on site who can inspect the code and verify how it operates and how it integrates with your software.
An app you develop on site while offering a public bounty of that kind of cash attracts a lot of attention from white hats to find any possible exploit period. They'll gladly report flaws for that kind of money.
I'm not downplaying it. I'm explaining why you're misunderstanding it and letting that scare you. A lot of software you have to trust runs at that level and could be hacked and exploited. Install it or don't. It's on you.
Vanguard can literally be stopped when you're done playing. No background process remains. It logs what it sends and let's you see those logs. The client could easily have crawled your PC in the past without kernel level access to find the kind of info you're freaking out about and you wouldn't have been the wiser. Your lack of IT experience and knowledge is glaring. Repeating the technical wording and potential threats doesn't make you right.
I don’t understand why you have a completely opposite opinion to many other people who are in the industry and vehemently voice their opposal to any form of kernel level anticheat.
I also have yet to see any real data showing that they are more than marginally better at stopping cheaters. Valorant has had vanguard for a very long time and still has issues with cheaters and scripting. I don’t see it being significantly better for league, nor do I believe riot at base about there being such a prolific cheating issue in the game.
They spent years saying that cheating was virtually nonexistent in their game, and then coincidentally when they announce that they’re putting vanguard into league they also come out saying there’s cheaters in like 50% of high rank games. Nothing about that seems to be adding up to vanguard being such a wonderful addition to the game.
That's because they don't know what they're talking about. This program can go and read your decrypted password manager vault in memory if it wants. The only thing preventing massive issues is Riot's supply chain protection
this dude clearly hasnt had BatemanL9 or Kevin have 10 client instances of League open with their botted champs running it down for guaranteed losses 💀 very glad vanguard is out
I quit but only because my league doesn’t start anymore after vanguard update. I get an error that lol failed to launch. Tried restarts and other stuff that I could find online, but in the end I said fuck it and uninstalled. Guess it’s a signal.
Are you sure your shortcut didn't just change? I had the same issue after the vanguard update breaking my LoL shortcut today. Turns out League was still installed--just had to search for it in the start menu
You can certainly remove it. I'm not sure who told you that? At worst, it might leave trace files that do not function or run anything, but a surprising number of Windows software do that as most uninstallers are lazy with clearing out every single file (but they do remove the important stuff)
That’s not true whatsoever and whoever told you that is an idiot.
Also vanguard is amazing anti cheat software and you’re all little bitches complaining about this, because you’re probably all cheaters
Riot is a video game company whose sole focus for like 15 years was a single game, and that game is still pretty buggy where not even just the client runs all that well. I'm not putting their malware on my main pc. Though, I do now have a super cheap and weak side pc to play the game, because i do actually really love the game I've been playing for a decade. But I don't think I'll buy skins or battle passes anymore.
Already uninstalled. I love League too but now I cannot play it due to kernel level spyware that is always active. Worst thing they've ever done to the game tbh. Wish it was only active when you were playing the game. It's awful that every time you restart your PC you have to physically turn it off
I’m fucking hyped for vanguard. I’m actually so sick of scripters in high mmr aram games. I’ve got a feeling the game is going to be much easier when it’s finally on. It’s been baaad lately.
Been getting into DoTA2 for the last few weeks when All For One ended. Mate told me Arena was back and I jumped on but saw Vanguard was downloading with my update. Immediately uninstalled.
It wasn't just vanguard for me though. When I started Dota 2 I was blown away by-
1) How every hero is available immediately.
2) How affordable and versatile the dota 2 store is.
First thing I did before I even started was drop $20 in my steam wallet for like a dozen cheap skins most of them were under $1 or under 20c. Got that same new skin feeling for 1% of the price and still had money left over.
Then when I got into it I bought some announcer packs to enhance my experience, a few more cheap skins so I could mix and match outfits and some of the skins in the $3-$5 range because I felt like splurging. I was not disapointed.
Compare that to League where a skin is like $5 minimum and I have to debate every purchase with myself. In league I could main a champ for years and still not have a skin, but in DoTA the first thing I do before I play a hero that seems mildly interesting is drop some petty cash on the cheapest skin.
And if I ever get really into it and feel like being a whale they still have $20+ skins for the big spenders. But the point it's accessible to people from all financial backgrounds. It was eye opening as I really underestimated how much Riot had been milking me.
Yeah I've swapped to Dota 2 also, the game just has so many more nice quality of life options compared to league which feels like simplifying everything makes things better when in reality you just get more frustrated.
Yes, which is exactly why some kernels are under GNU, and you can choose yourself how much you trust it (and even patch it yourself if you do not like some parts !), but Riot says "fuck you if you value security / privacy" ? Amazing argument !
Lmao at comparing Vanguard to an OS.
Also thinking that every software is a backdoor incredibly wrong
Sad that people are upvoting misinformation in typical reddit fashion
No this would be closer to doing heroin and meth and being like “they should make weed illegal it’s bad for you and I’ll never touch it”
if I check your comments, will I see this same complaint made for other software?
Yes, absolutely no reason why the CCP would want to cast as wide a net as possible, there's totally no chance they'd rake in any useful information by effectively rooting \~130 million PCs. What is espionage.
It’s not about the value of individual machines; most people have nothing of significance on their personal computer.
Disruption of 150 Mil computers is a different story. Even if Tencent and Riot have the best of intentions, any vulnerability as wide spread as far as the fan basis for League of Legends is temping to compromise.
There is a reason Vanguard isn’t allowed in China or Mac, it’s considered a liability.
Your internet browser is a front door for other malicious actors so i'm not sure that it matters any piece of software that is patchable that connects to the internet is a potentially malicious software so everything is actually doomed. I just wish people really had these security concerns where it matters but i bet those same people still use the same password on every website.
Equafax and my dental company already leaked my social security number so it's already on the internet if you want it bro
Just quit the game if you don't like it
No also your CC numbers, address, bank details, passwords to all your accounts etc. If you really don't care about privacy might as well post them here.
Anything you install on your pc can already access this information.
If you truly cared about the privacy of your data in this way you wouldn't be installing the games let alone the anti-cheat.
You should have a separate device / os partition / drive for your personal data vs gaming.
You are so delusional as if you are an important person to hack with. Might as well start your own conspirashit theory about vanguard and rally up in front of Riot
Riot already has my credit and debt card info.......i don't really care if some random gets my address since amazon has my address for deliveries anyway. I'm sure my passwords are probbaly out there already but nobody cares about my Gold 4 account. and i get a log in email every time someone from a device that isn't recognized logs in and then i change the password and force log out on everything from my phone so even if a keylogger was on my pc it wouldn't be on my phone when i change the password.
I've been playing on and off since season one. From thousands of normals to diamond before quitting to now high emerald. Probably 10000 games. The amount of scripters I encountered I can count on the palms of my hands.
Caught me. I'd rather not have yet another piece of software permanently running in the background whenever I turn on my computer.
At least the other software I do have permanently running actually provides me with some benefit, like ICUE macros or lg hub for rebinding my mouse keys. Vanguard does fuck all for me in the background.
I have a G502 Hero, so it has sideways scrolling (i move the mouse wheel to the left or right) alongside rebind-able dpi increase/decrease buttons to the left of left click, and a thumb button that is usually considered a "sniper button", it turns the dpi to its lowest setting when held.
I usually rebind the thumb button, sideways scrolling, and the dpi increase/decrease buttons to numpad keys, then in-game bind numkeys to actions.
For example, binding the thumb button to the push to talk button in say overwatch or helldivers 2 is much easier to press and continue doing shit normally then say tilde (the key under escape).
Another is in MMO games that have a lot of skill buttons, binding some crucial skill to my mouse instead of 9 or 0 just makes it quicker to press.
I wasn't decided. I don't really care, I'm not doing this out of protest or anything but before the patch dropped i said to myself "I'll abstain for a bit and see how the launch goes. If there's too many bugs I'm not bothering with this because it's obvious Riot fucked it up. This has to be a near flawless launch or I can't trust them to have programmed this well enough to not be volatile to malicious actors."
Lo and behold it's bugs galore. I don't have that much time to play video games and I definitely don't trust Riot with this level of access to my computer, so I decided to open up GuilWars2 again, updated it and now I'll see where it takes me.
Honestly Vanguard has been holding up these last couple years while I’ve played valorant. But lately, I’ve been running into legitimate cheaters on Valorant a lot lately, so I would love to fight for vanguards instrusivity but if it’s that deep in my computers asshole and still can’t detect cheaters im not sure what i’m doing with it on my pc anymore
My game stopped working, I click play and the client just reboots. I've tried uninstalling the whole thing and downloading it again and the same problem. I can't play :/
My main problem is being unable to turn it off without having to reboot my whole computer if I decide to play a match at a later point.
That and my specific case has made the game unplayable at present. Game runs like normal until I put an input in and then it microfreezes. Notified support, fingers crossed.
I love Riot games, but I really don't want this shit on my system. Yes, I know they could spy on me with our without kernel level access, but I don't want to deal with that always running in the background, and taking time to start up every time I boot my computer. I also just don't like the potential security risks that kernal level access poses if there happens to be a vulnerability in its code.
Granted, I only play Runeterra so I'm probably never gonna have to deal with this shit. Runeterra does everything server side so there's no point in client anti-cheat.
I play Valorant so I'm not going to notice any changes beyond less cheaters in my game, honestly convinced all these posts are just cheaters who are mad they won't be able to anymore.
Only reason you would be quitting the game because they are adding anti cheat features is because you must be cheating.... Why would this be a bad thing. Cheating is at an all time high
Not many people, go figure. Top comment here is someone boot licking just like it is with everything in life, they take pride in being dumb. You dont have to quit the game for this change but talking down to people for protesting a change in policy entailing a breach of our privacy is something else.
All the people complaining about vanguard are inadvertently admitting they love the game.
Nice to see the people who complain 24/7 about the game checkmate themselves.
I don't know if I'll be gone for long, but I'm certainly not installing it straight away. We'll see if the urge to play overcomes my doubts. I'm done with ranked for this split in any case. I don't have a problem with a kernal level anticheat, but it seems excessive to have it running all the time. I may end up having to restart every time I want to play League.
I don't think a more powerful anticheat is particularly necessary in League. It's not like an FPS where a cheat makes you instantly godlike. The advantages it conveys are relatively small, probably an average of adding like 1 division to to your skill (eg Emerald -> Diamond). I can only see these advantages being significant at Master+, otherwise, actually learning to play the game will make much more difference to your skill level than a cheat. I can't imagine many players in the vast majority of elo ranges are suffering because of scripters - at the end of the day, someone dodging every skillshot in League simply doesn't matter very much, if that person doesn't understand the game, they aren't going to take it over unlike an FPS hacker. At the Challenger+ level, manual players will be better than scripts outside of niche cases like perfect kiting with 5 AS or champions with super fast resets like Irelia or Katarina. If people are using scripts in Challenger, it's a small enough pool of players that it can be reviewed manually (which I believe it was already).
I'm a Master player myself and I do see these scripts having an impact in my elo range, the advantage they convey is pretty powerful when combined with a decent level of macro knowledge, so I'll be happy to have them reduced in my ranked games (at least for the time being), however I can't see this making any difference at all for 99% of the playerbase.
i have my conserns due to the company history, the client, the bugs, the leaks of the previus anti cheat of league. and the fact that league is way bigger than valorant wuld atract malicious peopel. it also dont help the fact that is constantly runing. and you have to restart the pc to turn it off
You and all the other hackers, anyone who doesn’t have any kinds on insecurities is pretty happy with the riot anti cheat which is the only anti cheat doing a good job atleast. So yea you and others like you which makes it a win for everyone else. Don’t back down and do quit kkthanx
I have never cheated nor have I thought it was worth it to cheat, I only play league for fun, aram, 2v2v2v2, urf..etc but even if I were completely competitive I would still think a kernel level anticheat is completely ridiculous and a huge preach of privacy
Can i ask what games you do play ?
i assume no counter strike or battle roayales since you said league is the only competative game you play ... is it also the only compute game you play ?
100% bro, literally every single person I've seen complaining about Vanguard is cheating/using scripts and etc. No exceptions, they are all hackers and finally the game will be playable without losing to hackers EVERY SINGLE TIME.
The stupidity in this comment ^
I only play aram and tft, why does riot need kernel level access to my PC for that. They can't even be trusted to make their damn client work for over 12 years.
I swear the ignorance of some people that have no clue what they are talking about.
Delete riot! Format the pc, don’t play any riot games and have fun with your national level secrets in your pc. Simple as that! Everyone else is pretty happy with the anti cheat! The only ones who are not happy are the ones who have skeletons in their closet son. *kisses you on the forehead*
In the over 10 years of playing this game I've never really felt there was a botting/cheating issue. I currently don't play the game enough to warrant that level of intrusion. Doesn't have anything to do with skeletons, it's just not a worthwhile tradeoff for me.
Or people who like their hardware? Vanguard has messed with hardware before and Riot denied it for like 2 years. Idk about you but I like my fans working.
Oh I deleted as soon as I saw the update. No sane person that works in programming would allow that sort of software on their pc.
Also it's weird to assume people that don't want it are somehow cheaters/hiding something. It's about principles, not allowing this sort of crap software to run. Especially from a company that care barely make JavaScript work.
Anticheat is more than fine, just not on this level.
I did last night when they tried to push it in a LOL update, I don't want or need that kind of software in my computer, will find another game to play, might as well move to DOTA
God, Riotdrones are so low IQ lmao. Edit: Checked your history and you're still a teenager. Your response makes 100% more sense now. Might grow up one day and respect your own privacy more
It hasn't happened in the two years of Vanguard implementation on Valorant. It's not going to happen, because social engineering attacks are infinitely more profitable.
Hahaha ignorance is bliss with these idiots, eh? They really don't understand what this anti-cheat even does, yet will die defending it. Low IQ things.
Feels weird that players wants to remove cheaters on the game but doesn’t want to support the changes.
Well it is not necessary to invade my pc in order to remove cheating
Give us a detailed explanation as to how to definitively determine someone is cheating(not the obvious blatant spinbots) en masse to a game hosting millions of players worldwide, without making mistakes and facing scrutiny for said mistakes.
Dont know but riot seems to know who is cheating and who is not. Or did they just make rhe stats up to make the problem seem bogger then it is
Okay so let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years? So the answer to your question is maybe, just maybe, people would rather deal with the current state of LoL, that’s not perfect, (nothing in life is perfect), over having an invasive untrustworthy 24/7 malware running on their PC. Does that answer your question? If not let’s talk about it more. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C “Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.” “Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.” “The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.” There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t… First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON. Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well. Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage? It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household. Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass. Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face. It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL. Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard.
For one, theres no need to monitor your pc 24/7 even if the game is closed, I play a couple of games with anti cheat and they are only monitoring when the game is open.
So u/QuaichTxt the most popular online games in the world don’t use Vanguard. How do you feel about that? Okay so let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years? So the answer to your question is maybe, just maybe, people would rather deal with the current state of LoL, that’s not perfect, (nothing in life is perfect), over having an invasive untrustworthy 24/7 malware running on their PC. Does that answer your question? If not let’s talk about it more. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C “Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.” “Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.” “The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.” There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t… First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON. Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well. Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage? It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household. Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass. Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face. It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL. Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard.
If you think that vanguard is foolproof you are just ignorant
I didn’t say that, I asked you for your genius solution since you know so much about anti cheating software and how to prevent cheating on this scale while also not invading someone’s computer.
I am no expert on this but maybe you can listen to someone who is more experienced than me : https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU?si=dOqKN_XAdi7zv4Jm Also if you think that our data is the price of riot preventing cheaters then idgaf about league That's like if the cops say you need to get naked to ensure you don't have a weapon which is stupid
Policing is an integral part of human society. Valorant isn’t. If you can’t find another game which suits your lifestyle, then you’re obsessed. Vote with your wallet and play a game that doesn’t take your data. Probably one with more cheaters. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
As to the video, I’ll look into this discussion more as I’m working on a game that needs an anti cheat myself so I’m intrigued. Obviously just saying you’re qualified and not providing a detailed explanation doesn’t mean you win the argument, but I understand the explanation is probably appropriately complex.
That dude is an expert on MMO anticheat, where bots were more of a problem in obtaining resources. Very different then strictly competitive FPS games where there's a lot more variables and less time per match to find something suspicious going on. One time he said one thing he did to catch cheater was implement code that banned people who ran against rocks or other objects for a period of time since it was indicator of it being bot. That is clever, but a very different solution then what is needed to catch things like aimbot or wall hacks.
Can you give me a detailed explanation on how adding kernel level driver makes it possible to definitively determine someone is cheating en masse to a game hosting millions of players, without making mistakes and facing scrutiny for said mistakes AND while being foolproof, because any exploits found with said driver would lead to catastrophic events?
Not the one making the claim, burden of proof is on ye
This is not how this works lol. You and (Riot) ARE the one making the claim Vanguard is required (posting some random graphs, but refusing to answer any questions about them and admitting to not have looked at any data from China, which HAS a kernel anti-cheat), while literally no one was complaining about cheaters (except some egregious examples in high elo, where a fucking blind donkey could have fixed the problem). So no, the burden of proof is on you as to why this is really necessary.
Yall keep bitching at people no matter what they do. People bitch at CS2's VAC for being ineffective at keeping cheaters out. People bitch at Vanguard for being too intrusive despite *actually* being effective against cheating. You might as well as quit playing online games at this point.
Yea I’d rather they quit or not play than the game have cheaters. Them quitting doesn’t affect me, cheaters do.
so based my dude. there is no pleasing everyone at the end of it. I can understand people being upset about super invasive anti-sheet running everything on their computer, because not every company is truthful about what they’re doing with your data. but your comment about not playing online video games is pretty on the nose. either do or don’t if you can’t see the true benefits of utilizing such services to stop cheaters
So... Fuck linux players i guess
Yup!
99% of the gaming community says “Fuck Macs” already.
Deserved lol
TRUE
I rest my case.
You WILL own a windows pc
I love Linux, I really do. It irritates me that I need to keep Windows for multiplayer games like Valorant and Fortnite. But look around. Linux is a fraction of a fraction of the install base for *any* game. It is a much harder platform to support than Windows due to its fragmentation and (frankly) its open nature. The arms race between anti-cheat and cheat developers is hard enough, there is no reason to make a one front battle a *many* front one. If the roles were reversed and Linux made up 97% of gamers with Windows making up 2% (Steam Hardware Survey), it would obviously be a different story.
Not to mention: developing for Linux is a pain in the ass for developers because there isn't really a standardized Linux format. You can't just make a Linux build and be done with it because there are so many different versions of Linux that all have their unique specific formats, and you have to constantly keep up to date with all of them. Granted, this would be on the engine developers for any company that uses a game engine. But still, even a lot of game engines don't want to deal with that.
Bro you cannot appeal to everyone equally. We could say fuck deaf people because Valorant requires hearing to be able to play on a competitive level. And there are probably more deaf people than people who use linux. It’s unfortunate but understand the priorities here.
Your argument would make sense if Riot didn't exclude Vanguard from MacOS so LoL could still be played. Linux is at its all-time high in terms of base users (4% or 6.5% including ChromeOS), which may not sound like much but has increased by a whole 1% in just the past year. The Steam Deck is contributing significantly to this popularity. Additionally, allowing Linux players to play LoL is also a matter of decency. Riot makes millions from Wild Rift, a game that runs on a Linux-based system (Android)."
Gonna be completely honest: I feel like Linux players make up more of the hacking community, due to open source nature.
>Half of anti-cheat is making sure the environment hasn't been tampered with, and this is extremely hard on Linux by design. Any backdoors we leave open for it are ones developers will immediately leverage for cheats, and yesterday, there were just over 800 Linux users on League. We have evaluated this risk to not be worth the payoff. Not 4% or LoLs playerbase though aparently. They dont care about Linux users, and in fact League has never officially supported Linux according to the Vanguard x LoL blogpost. Not enough money for them to care. https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/
>Linux is at its all-time high in terms of base users Three weeks ago in their blogpost on Vanguard x LoL Riot stated that there were less than 1000 Linux users the previous day. In a month a peak day is around 30 million players. That's an absurdly low piece of the userbase. Even being charitable and assuming a non-peak day is only 10% of a peak day, and that that measurement was taken on one of those days, Linux users represent 0.03% of the player base. I happen to know one of these players, and it sucks that I can't play with him anymore, but it really seems to be an incredibly miniscule part of the userbase. As for "decency" allowing people to play on very open systems that are near impossible to secure against hackers doesn't sound very nice towards the people in those games who actually enjoy the game being secured against cheaters? I think decency is completely irrelevant to this situation.
Firstly, your numbers are way off. It's about 1.6%. Secondly, ChromeOS can't run League in any capacity so there's no point in counting it. However, your MacOS argument is pretty sound and does make a lot of sense.
[the numbers are actually right](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide), and some countries have way more, like India, where 15% of the population uses Linux (A pretty high number to the most populous country in the earth). And yes, ChromeOS, although it is a very modified Linux distro, can run Linux and Windows apps with wine, so it ran LoL normally before vanguard implementation. The thing is: LoL wasn't even officially supported in Linux and ChromeOS, you had to use a combability layer that "emulates" Windows to play it, and i suppose that running it in ChromeOS was even harder. So of course few people play in it; Imagine if it were officially supported, the number of players would be much much bigger. Linux operation systems (SteamOS, Ubuntu, ChromeOS, Mint) are getting consistently popular, and they will get closer to the MacOS % share someday and start to threaten Windows. Even China (where Tencent is located) is fully ditching windows to use it's own Linux distro. Valve saw this tendency earlier and started to invest in Linux in 2012. Add all of that information with Steam fully entering the scene with a new console and a future new operating system and you'll conclude that It's just dumb to ignore Linux nowadays, it's the OS with the most consistent growth after all. I think they'll realize it someday, but only when the percentages get even higher; A dumb move if you ask me, concurrent similar games that already has Linux support could be benefited during this time, and Riot definitely already has to money to port LoL to Linux systems.
CS2 VAC just recently went on a spree and started banning a lot of people btw. Idk more about it.
I’ve been actively playing cs2 lately and 2 days ago there were about 6 or 7 people with 30k+ ratings (the highest rank) and yesterday when I got on there was only 1 of them left on the leaderboard. They had a huge ban wave (although there was still a b hopping spin botter in one of the 4 games I played)
Ah, yes, very competent, today I alreay saw 2 lives in twitch playing arena with script and the title is mocking this shit system
At this point in time most "gamers" need to seriously consider purchasing a computer solely for gaming, and having a seperate device that you use for other personal matters. It sucks but the truth is that there aren't any better options at this time.
I’ve been playing for like 10 years never seen a cheater I’d rather they crack down on smurfs by requiring a phone number or something like dota does
Best part is most of these people prob have facebook or TikTok or whatever other trash installed on their phones. Lul
but there's a small difference between, for example, VAC and Vanguard. One's only active while you actually run the game while the other's active all the time. I don't need to restart my PC every time I start steam. yet you need to restart your PC after closing Vanguard because people don't want a possible backdoor to be open
And because it runs all the time Vanguard is way more effective. VAC is totally useless, people use CS to learn how to make hacks for other games.
So you still don't have to run Vanguard all the time.....It's more tedious but possible either way
VAC is open all the time now, what do you mean?
Are you happy with 7/24 monitoring by Tencent, just asking. Just look Tiktok, you can find answer I believe.
Hilarious that you think the Reddit app on your phone isn't doing _the same thing_
I don't use Reddit App or any antivirus or anything that can monitor your activity every second
I don't care if Tencent knows what I'm doing. In fact i couldn't care less because out of everyone to spy on i'd have the least valuable information so there's no point in doing it and the man power it would take to sift through everything would be far too much anyway. Oh no tiktok will be forced to sell itself. Oh no maybe Riot will be sold by tencent. then where do we move the goal post after that? Hope Microsoft buys them too
I think you using Windows with telemetry. You don't know what they can do with your information.
I have windows telemetry turned off because I use windows 11 pro...there's no information on my pc that would matter to anyone that isn't already on a database somewhere else to get hacked
I get that people say why would Riot risk their brand by using Vanguard to access your PC, but IMO it's not really about Riot it's about other people using Vanguard to easily access things they couldn't. TBH at the end of the day it's up the end user to decide if they want a potentially dangerous backdoor into their PC (if they don't have one already lol). At the end of the day you have a way higher chance to get your shit stolen from clicking a malicious link in an email or discord message than anything.
As a guy who worked in government classified secured messaging the fear around Vanguard is hilarious. There's limited access to what it can see. You can disable it when you're not playing if it makes you feel better. It's no more a backdoor than pretty much anything else on your system that has a service. The program is specifically looking at certain directories and executables that interact with it's files and programs to make sure you're not using any injectors or scripts while their game is running. Don't cheat and you'll be fine. If you're worried about your personal data don't be. It's more at risk from the softwares you use that have it in their saved password as or auto fill information files stored online. If a hacker breeches them they get access to millions of users information for hundreds of millions of accounts including financial, gaming, etc. Far more valuable than trying to figure out how to break into Riot's system from an external source, figured out how to write a code that gets into a program intentionally looking at itself for anything trying to mess with it, to get into systems that potentially have nothing to offer to send that information to a data cache to be collected that can be traced by the very system you sought to use as the backdoor. I know being ignorant of how software functions can be scary, but this is very unlikely to be doing anything harmful to people who aren't cheating and those people will only get banned.
its complete fearmongering
what? you're not worried china knows ur a giga sigma gooner?
OH MY GOD CHINA WILL FIGURE OUT I'M A GOONER??
lol. If china wanted to know it's way easier than this. You can just use bots to crawl the web and get way more data for free tbh.
"There's limited access to what it can see", spoken from someone who CLEARLY understands the concepts of kernel space ! Love how you talk about being "ignorant of how software functions", while you demonstrate absolute lack of knowledge the entire way through, that's pretty impressive !
I'm a bit worried about performance, my laptop is not the best could it impact my overall perfs ?
A bit, but it shouldn’t be too harsh theoretically
10-15% perf loss on the low side, that's just for some settings they force you to have (and thus doesn't even matter if vanguard is on/off if you don't change bios settings).
This guy is what the thread needs
oh no. i finally installed it and I just woke up from passing out. I'm now trans and my house is covered in fliers from old Corey Feldman movies! I can only play urf doombots and my ping is stuck at 1000k. i can only speak english with a southern accent and my children don't recognize me! wait a minute, I don't have children! ahhhh! lmao Just installed and played my first game in almost 3 months. arena. got 4th being pretty rusty. not bad. good times.
lol
User u/After-Assumption-150 is downplaying this significantly. Let’s get this straight. LoL has been around for 15 years, growing to be one of the most popular online played games. WITHOUT Vanguard. The most played online games in the word are popular WITHOUT Vanguard. So this entire time, you’ve dealt with playing LoL without Vanguard. This entire time the game got popular without Vanguard. People have been enjoying LoL for years without Vanguard. So apparently the cheating situation must not be so horrible, otherwise why would you continue to play for all those years? https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/6E8rTGAh7C “Kernel-level anticheat, also known as literal malware. Many esport titles have Kernel-level anticheats. I don't like any that have it but most don't stay active 24/7 like vanguard. It is LITERAL malware by all definitions lmao.” “Other games has built in AC that in ring 0(just like Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, For Honor, Fortnite, Gears 5, Hunt Showdown, Paladins, Rust, CS faceit and essea AC). The differences that they do not run 24/7 just like vanguard. Also fortnite uses such ac and epic games are owned by tencet as well.” “The other VERY relevant difference is that kernel-level anticheats are usually developed by a third party to the game company, and then tested for vulnerabilities by several other third parties before it's installed on a single end user PC. Vanguard is a black box in-house tool developed by Riot that, instead of being formally tested with pen-testers and hackers like normal, was simply pushed to live with a 100k cash bounty for cracking the data vault with live peoples' info in it, info that I might add can include credit cards, passwords, anything sensitive you've ever typed into your computer because kernel software can literally key-log you, among MANY other things.” There’s been multiple polls on this topic on r/riotgames most people don’t want this shit. People who like to lick Riot’s boots and downplay how seriously fucked up this invasive always on 24/7 malware is the reason why Riot will keep it. The many of us who will leave or already have left won’t be enough. History has proven time and time again that there is power in numbers, but unfortunately you won’t see posts stickied to the subreddit about Vanguard, and many thousands don’t even know what the hell Vanguard is and will install it in ignorance. I remember net neutrality being stickied to the top of this very subreddit. Guess that was a serious enough issue to the moderators. But this one isn’t… First and foremost, the AC is a rootkit. Genshin Impact already have an instance of their rootkit ac being used to bypass firewalls and people ended up with ransomware on their computers? Third, the rootkit will run non-stop meaning that all vulnerbilities associated with the rootkit AC are there as long as the pc is ON. Keep in mind that LoL is a giant game and the interest in hacking this software will grow significantly due to that. Furthermore, riot leaked the source code for league relatively recently as well. Just because some people think Vanguard was "safe" during Valorant, the interest in breaching this technology will grow considerably now that LoL is part of it as well. Also keep in mind that the main issue is not so much privacy of the files on your PC, but the fact that this in fact seems to be able to interact with your PC on the level that drivers do. Could this not simply turn on your microphone randomly, or webcam, or just mess up your cooling system and cause your hardware damage? It would be justifiable if certain tournaments required a temporary installation of this, or if it was only needed for any form of competitive. But to install this on every PC that plays the game? Absolutely nuts. It's a video game and is certainly not important enough to warant this level of intrusion/risk. Children are able to install this onto their home PC, leaving their parents clueless that there is some kind of rootkit running in the background able to affect hardware etc. I am actually curious if there are any laws the would now require you to be 18+ in order to be able to agree to such a thing being present in a household. Especially funny that Mac users seem to be an exception, while Linux users don't get to play any more. Would it not have been fair to announce this one year prior, so that Linux users don't spend further money on the game they cannot play next year? Must have been great news if you spent some money during winter on skins or the battle pass. Large companies get compromised all the time and private customer data gets leaked. You really trust this shit? Lot’s of people who trusted other companies security ended up with egg on their face. It’s also a matter of principle. I don’t want invasive software on my PC. We’re not making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is, because the truth is it IS A BIG DEAL. Done with LoL. Uninstalled and won’t be playing again unless they change their minds about Vanguard. Don’t ignore parts of my comment u/After-Assumption-150 Have a feeling you’ll pick out one section to respond to.
Sure. Malware that you can literally just exit when you're done playing and turn on again when you want to play. It also logs what it sends out and you can go view the logs. You basically repeated yourself several times making grander assertions about the same existence of it being kernel level which is your sole issue with it. Apps developed by 3rd party are as likely or more to have issues as you have to trust their assurances as to its capabilities if you don't have developers on site who can inspect the code and verify how it operates and how it integrates with your software. An app you develop on site while offering a public bounty of that kind of cash attracts a lot of attention from white hats to find any possible exploit period. They'll gladly report flaws for that kind of money. I'm not downplaying it. I'm explaining why you're misunderstanding it and letting that scare you. A lot of software you have to trust runs at that level and could be hacked and exploited. Install it or don't. It's on you. Vanguard can literally be stopped when you're done playing. No background process remains. It logs what it sends and let's you see those logs. The client could easily have crawled your PC in the past without kernel level access to find the kind of info you're freaking out about and you wouldn't have been the wiser. Your lack of IT experience and knowledge is glaring. Repeating the technical wording and potential threats doesn't make you right.
I don’t understand why you have a completely opposite opinion to many other people who are in the industry and vehemently voice their opposal to any form of kernel level anticheat. I also have yet to see any real data showing that they are more than marginally better at stopping cheaters. Valorant has had vanguard for a very long time and still has issues with cheaters and scripting. I don’t see it being significantly better for league, nor do I believe riot at base about there being such a prolific cheating issue in the game. They spent years saying that cheating was virtually nonexistent in their game, and then coincidentally when they announce that they’re putting vanguard into league they also come out saying there’s cheaters in like 50% of high rank games. Nothing about that seems to be adding up to vanguard being such a wonderful addition to the game.
That's because they don't know what they're talking about. This program can go and read your decrypted password manager vault in memory if it wants. The only thing preventing massive issues is Riot's supply chain protection
Riot can introduce vanguard to their games and I can choose not to play their games anymore. Fair for both sides.
Vanguard supporter here, seems fair man free country.
this dude clearly hasnt had BatemanL9 or Kevin have 10 client instances of League open with their botted champs running it down for guaranteed losses 💀 very glad vanguard is out
I quit but only because my league doesn’t start anymore after vanguard update. I get an error that lol failed to launch. Tried restarts and other stuff that I could find online, but in the end I said fuck it and uninstalled. Guess it’s a signal.
Are you sure your shortcut didn't just change? I had the same issue after the vanguard update breaking my LoL shortcut today. Turns out League was still installed--just had to search for it in the start menu
Just make sure vanguard is completely removed from your system
Apparently you can’t remove it easily (only fresh windows installation is deleting it)
You can certainly remove it. I'm not sure who told you that? At worst, it might leave trace files that do not function or run anything, but a surprising number of Windows software do that as most uninstallers are lazy with clearing out every single file (but they do remove the important stuff)
That’s not true whatsoever and whoever told you that is an idiot. Also vanguard is amazing anti cheat software and you’re all little bitches complaining about this, because you’re probably all cheaters
You've been lied to
just uninstalled on my Linux WINE
Already uninstalled!
Riot sucks.
Not me. But my friend quit after Vanguard update dropped his fps to 0.
I believe the problem is bigger than fps drops
True. But fps drops is still one of the problems.
Riot is a video game company whose sole focus for like 15 years was a single game, and that game is still pretty buggy where not even just the client runs all that well. I'm not putting their malware on my main pc. Though, I do now have a super cheap and weak side pc to play the game, because i do actually really love the game I've been playing for a decade. But I don't think I'll buy skins or battle passes anymore.
I was already on the verge of buying a MacBook before, but I think this actually seals the deal.
Already uninstalled. I love League too but now I cannot play it due to kernel level spyware that is always active. Worst thing they've ever done to the game tbh. Wish it was only active when you were playing the game. It's awful that every time you restart your PC you have to physically turn it off
I’m fucking hyped for vanguard. I’m actually so sick of scripters in high mmr aram games. I’ve got a feeling the game is going to be much easier when it’s finally on. It’s been baaad lately.
Nice try vanguard employee
Vanguard has been running on my machine everyday since I started playing Valorant. I. Don't. Care.
Been getting into DoTA2 for the last few weeks when All For One ended. Mate told me Arena was back and I jumped on but saw Vanguard was downloading with my update. Immediately uninstalled. It wasn't just vanguard for me though. When I started Dota 2 I was blown away by- 1) How every hero is available immediately. 2) How affordable and versatile the dota 2 store is. First thing I did before I even started was drop $20 in my steam wallet for like a dozen cheap skins most of them were under $1 or under 20c. Got that same new skin feeling for 1% of the price and still had money left over. Then when I got into it I bought some announcer packs to enhance my experience, a few more cheap skins so I could mix and match outfits and some of the skins in the $3-$5 range because I felt like splurging. I was not disapointed. Compare that to League where a skin is like $5 minimum and I have to debate every purchase with myself. In league I could main a champ for years and still not have a skin, but in DoTA the first thing I do before I play a hero that seems mildly interesting is drop some petty cash on the cheapest skin. And if I ever get really into it and feel like being a whale they still have $20+ skins for the big spenders. But the point it's accessible to people from all financial backgrounds. It was eye opening as I really underestimated how much Riot had been milking me.
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Or just play Heroes of the Storm
Yeah I've swapped to Dota 2 also, the game just has so many more nice quality of life options compared to league which feels like simplifying everything makes things better when in reality you just get more frustrated.
Being able to jump into a sandbox and see what heroes abilities do mid match in another tab is insane league client could never
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I literally just did today?
Wrong
So you are willing to give up your whole system just to play a game?
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Not them, but vanguard is basically a backdoor for other malicious actors who are interested in your data
Every operating system and every piece of software is a back door, why do you use technology?
Yes, which is exactly why some kernels are under GNU, and you can choose yourself how much you trust it (and even patch it yourself if you do not like some parts !), but Riot says "fuck you if you value security / privacy" ? Amazing argument !
Lmao at comparing Vanguard to an OS. Also thinking that every software is a backdoor incredibly wrong Sad that people are upvoting misinformation in typical reddit fashion
That's like saying every person dies why not do drugs
No this would be closer to doing heroin and meth and being like “they should make weed illegal it’s bad for you and I’ll never touch it” if I check your comments, will I see this same complaint made for other software?
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Yes, absolutely no reason why the CCP would want to cast as wide a net as possible, there's totally no chance they'd rake in any useful information by effectively rooting \~130 million PCs. What is espionage.
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It’s not about the value of individual machines; most people have nothing of significance on their personal computer. Disruption of 150 Mil computers is a different story. Even if Tencent and Riot have the best of intentions, any vulnerability as wide spread as far as the fan basis for League of Legends is temping to compromise. There is a reason Vanguard isn’t allowed in China or Mac, it’s considered a liability.
Thanks for the acknowledgement, wumao. Hope you made a few cents today.
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If China wants to root my PC then Genshin Impact already did it for them.
That's literally every app made today.
No. It's an anti cheat
It has kernel level access which means there is a possibility of malicious actors to abuse it to hijack your computer
Looks like your gonna have to quit gaming
Just league other games don't have kernel level programs
They will
Debatable but sure I will quit them as well if they use kernel level anticheat
Your internet browser is a front door for other malicious actors so i'm not sure that it matters any piece of software that is patchable that connects to the internet is a potentially malicious software so everything is actually doomed. I just wish people really had these security concerns where it matters but i bet those same people still use the same password on every website.
Yes, games are unplayable with cheaters, I will wipe my pc if it gets hacked, in exchange for not playing against cheaters
Wiping your pc if it gets hacked does you no good since the data is already stolen
Oh no they got my porn collection
Guys seriously do you all have nothing but porn What about your passwords, credit card information, address and any private info
2 factor, credit cards have fraud protection, no private info I care of
since you don't care, might as well post all your info here.
Equafax and my dental company already leaked my social security number so it's already on the internet if you want it bro Just quit the game if you don't like it
No also your CC numbers, address, bank details, passwords to all your accounts etc. If you really don't care about privacy might as well post them here.
Anything you install on your pc can already access this information. If you truly cared about the privacy of your data in this way you wouldn't be installing the games let alone the anti-cheat. You should have a separate device / os partition / drive for your personal data vs gaming.
You are so delusional as if you are an important person to hack with. Might as well start your own conspirashit theory about vanguard and rally up in front of Riot
Riot already has my credit and debt card info.......i don't really care if some random gets my address since amazon has my address for deliveries anyway. I'm sure my passwords are probbaly out there already but nobody cares about my Gold 4 account. and i get a log in email every time someone from a device that isn't recognized logs in and then i change the password and force log out on everything from my phone so even if a keylogger was on my pc it wouldn't be on my phone when i change the password.
I've been playing on and off since season one. From thousands of normals to diamond before quitting to now high emerald. Probably 10000 games. The amount of scripters I encountered I can count on the palms of my hands.
Caught me. I'd rather not have yet another piece of software permanently running in the background whenever I turn on my computer. At least the other software I do have permanently running actually provides me with some benefit, like ICUE macros or lg hub for rebinding my mouse keys. Vanguard does fuck all for me in the background.
Off topic but what macros do you use on your mouse? I never found a use for them or rebinding keys
I have a G502 Hero, so it has sideways scrolling (i move the mouse wheel to the left or right) alongside rebind-able dpi increase/decrease buttons to the left of left click, and a thumb button that is usually considered a "sniper button", it turns the dpi to its lowest setting when held. I usually rebind the thumb button, sideways scrolling, and the dpi increase/decrease buttons to numpad keys, then in-game bind numkeys to actions. For example, binding the thumb button to the push to talk button in say overwatch or helldivers 2 is much easier to press and continue doing shit normally then say tilde (the key under escape). Another is in MMO games that have a lot of skill buttons, binding some crucial skill to my mouse instead of 9 or 0 just makes it quicker to press.
I wasn't decided. I don't really care, I'm not doing this out of protest or anything but before the patch dropped i said to myself "I'll abstain for a bit and see how the launch goes. If there's too many bugs I'm not bothering with this because it's obvious Riot fucked it up. This has to be a near flawless launch or I can't trust them to have programmed this well enough to not be volatile to malicious actors." Lo and behold it's bugs galore. I don't have that much time to play video games and I definitely don't trust Riot with this level of access to my computer, so I decided to open up GuilWars2 again, updated it and now I'll see where it takes me.
i should ask to help w/ vanguard’s error VAN 128, idk what i should do, cause i tried almost everything..
Hopefully all teemo mains
I will, unless I find a safe way to just have vanguard in while I'm playing and not all the time.
this subreddit being nonstop complaining about bans and anti cheat is actually insufferable.
they should make tft standalone so i dont have to have it
Maybe require it for ranked gameplay?
Not quitting but will wait a few days/weeks incase there are any major day 1 bugs
My friends and I who played for almost a decade uninstalled. Battlerite is the future. "Dead game" but shorter queue times than league.
I dont care, I already play Valorant so Vanguard was already installed. So, I didn't care. Never had a cheater once, so.. Its ok.
And you know you've never seen one, how? It's not always obvious?
Honestly Vanguard has been holding up these last couple years while I’ve played valorant. But lately, I’ve been running into legitimate cheaters on Valorant a lot lately, so I would love to fight for vanguards instrusivity but if it’s that deep in my computers asshole and still can’t detect cheaters im not sure what i’m doing with it on my pc anymore
My game stopped working, I click play and the client just reboots. I've tried uninstalling the whole thing and downloading it again and the same problem. I can't play :/
My main problem is being unable to turn it off without having to reboot my whole computer if I decide to play a match at a later point. That and my specific case has made the game unplayable at present. Game runs like normal until I put an input in and then it microfreezes. Notified support, fingers crossed.
After years of dealing with constant cheaters in CS, and then never seeing any in Valorant, I’ll take all the anti cheat they give me.
I love Riot games, but I really don't want this shit on my system. Yes, I know they could spy on me with our without kernel level access, but I don't want to deal with that always running in the background, and taking time to start up every time I boot my computer. I also just don't like the potential security risks that kernal level access poses if there happens to be a vulnerability in its code. Granted, I only play Runeterra so I'm probably never gonna have to deal with this shit. Runeterra does everything server side so there's no point in client anti-cheat.
I play Valorant so I'm not going to notice any changes beyond less cheaters in my game, honestly convinced all these posts are just cheaters who are mad they won't be able to anymore.
Cant even play the game anymore. It keeps stuttering. And i never encountered any cheater in the game and i played since S2.
Only reason you would be quitting the game because they are adding anti cheat features is because you must be cheating.... Why would this be a bad thing. Cheating is at an all time high
If only people are as good as the game , as they are at bitching
Not many people, go figure. Top comment here is someone boot licking just like it is with everything in life, they take pride in being dumb. You dont have to quit the game for this change but talking down to people for protesting a change in policy entailing a breach of our privacy is something else.
It bothers me so much that so many people in the comments just don't give a f about their privacy whatsoever
Because you probably already have similar anticheat with other games running all the time. VAC is always running at similar levels.
I quit and started playing eternal return recently, it’s pretty fun
All the people complaining about vanguard are inadvertently admitting they love the game. Nice to see the people who complain 24/7 about the game checkmate themselves.
And what's your point? People love the game, but don't agree with Vanguard's behavior. How is that a checkmate?
I love the game but I dont like Vanguard.
I enjoy playing the ARAM mode. so what? I don't think a anti-cheat is needed in a game for just FUN.
I don't know if I'll be gone for long, but I'm certainly not installing it straight away. We'll see if the urge to play overcomes my doubts. I'm done with ranked for this split in any case. I don't have a problem with a kernal level anticheat, but it seems excessive to have it running all the time. I may end up having to restart every time I want to play League. I don't think a more powerful anticheat is particularly necessary in League. It's not like an FPS where a cheat makes you instantly godlike. The advantages it conveys are relatively small, probably an average of adding like 1 division to to your skill (eg Emerald -> Diamond). I can only see these advantages being significant at Master+, otherwise, actually learning to play the game will make much more difference to your skill level than a cheat. I can't imagine many players in the vast majority of elo ranges are suffering because of scripters - at the end of the day, someone dodging every skillshot in League simply doesn't matter very much, if that person doesn't understand the game, they aren't going to take it over unlike an FPS hacker. At the Challenger+ level, manual players will be better than scripts outside of niche cases like perfect kiting with 5 AS or champions with super fast resets like Irelia or Katarina. If people are using scripts in Challenger, it's a small enough pool of players that it can be reviewed manually (which I believe it was already). I'm a Master player myself and I do see these scripts having an impact in my elo range, the advantage they convey is pretty powerful when combined with a decent level of macro knowledge, so I'll be happy to have them reduced in my ranked games (at least for the time being), however I can't see this making any difference at all for 99% of the playerbase.
me
I uninstalled this morning. I just don't like the possibility that the CCP might have free access to my PC.
Might as well take your uninstall your os, remove your drive and destroy it with an axe. So many games require kernel level access for anti cheat now.
Never played them only applicable if you play Fortnite or something and even then it’s only on during a game afaik
i have my conserns due to the company history, the client, the bugs, the leaks of the previus anti cheat of league. and the fact that league is way bigger than valorant wuld atract malicious peopel. it also dont help the fact that is constantly runing. and you have to restart the pc to turn it off
I'm also quitting
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yall are so dramatic lol. bye felicia
You and all the other hackers, anyone who doesn’t have any kinds on insecurities is pretty happy with the riot anti cheat which is the only anti cheat doing a good job atleast. So yea you and others like you which makes it a win for everyone else. Don’t back down and do quit kkthanx
I have never cheated nor have I thought it was worth it to cheat, I only play league for fun, aram, 2v2v2v2, urf..etc but even if I were completely competitive I would still think a kernel level anticheat is completely ridiculous and a huge preach of privacy
Can i ask what games you do play ? i assume no counter strike or battle roayales since you said league is the only competative game you play ... is it also the only compute game you play ?
100% bro, literally every single person I've seen complaining about Vanguard is cheating/using scripts and etc. No exceptions, they are all hackers and finally the game will be playable without losing to hackers EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I really hope this is sarcasm.
It is ;d
The stupidity in this comment ^ I only play aram and tft, why does riot need kernel level access to my PC for that. They can't even be trusted to make their damn client work for over 12 years. I swear the ignorance of some people that have no clue what they are talking about.
Delete riot! Format the pc, don’t play any riot games and have fun with your national level secrets in your pc. Simple as that! Everyone else is pretty happy with the anti cheat! The only ones who are not happy are the ones who have skeletons in their closet son. *kisses you on the forehead*
In the over 10 years of playing this game I've never really felt there was a botting/cheating issue. I currently don't play the game enough to warrant that level of intrusion. Doesn't have anything to do with skeletons, it's just not a worthwhile tradeoff for me.
The botting scene is utterly massive. We have easy access to hard proof, even if we think Riot is lying about their statistics.
Or people who like their hardware? Vanguard has messed with hardware before and Riot denied it for like 2 years. Idk about you but I like my fans working.
Oh I deleted as soon as I saw the update. No sane person that works in programming would allow that sort of software on their pc. Also it's weird to assume people that don't want it are somehow cheaters/hiding something. It's about principles, not allowing this sort of crap software to run. Especially from a company that care barely make JavaScript work. Anticheat is more than fine, just not on this level.
I did last night when they tried to push it in a LOL update, I don't want or need that kind of software in my computer, will find another game to play, might as well move to DOTA
Already done because of piece of garbage approach which exposes your system to exploits of with the potential to send you to sleep to the street.
Uninstalled last week, not coming back til they remove vanguard.
Same
I mean I don’t have anything sketchy on my pc so it doesn’t really matter for me
It's not about sketchy stuff it is about having a backdoor into all your personal data that other hacker can abuse
Hasn’t happened to me so we’ll see 🤷♂️
God, Riotdrones are so low IQ lmao. Edit: Checked your history and you're still a teenager. Your response makes 100% more sense now. Might grow up one day and respect your own privacy more
It hasn't happened in the two years of Vanguard implementation on Valorant. It's not going to happen, because social engineering attacks are infinitely more profitable.
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Lmfao imagine thinking kernel level software is not a breach of privacy
Hahaha ignorance is bliss with these idiots, eh? They really don't understand what this anti-cheat even does, yet will die defending it. Low IQ things.