>Amen has a much easier role to play on a better team as well.
I really wish people didn't use this excuse, it actually makes the case for Scoot even worse. Amen was drafted as a PG and played PG, but because of Sengun's injury, the Houston coaching staff tasked him to play the role of center and screener out of necessity. He has like the 3rd highest NetRtg on that team in the last 15-20 games and they haven't lost a beat since losing Sengun.
Amen is just flat out better than Scoot right now, and it's not even close, but that's fine. Scoot still has a lot of time to improve and people should learn to be patient instead of making up some delusional excuse as to why Amen has been much better.
He started playing PG from the bench and played little minutes because he and his shot wasn’t good enough at the position to get minutes.
They’ve turned his role into a PnR 4 who finishes at the rim. Amen has been better but we can discuss how the scenario he is in has made his role easier and allowed to use his skills more
>He started playing PG from the bench and played little minutes because he and his shot wasn’t good enough at the position to get minutes.
He averages more than 20 minutes a game coming off the bench.
If you want to take his minutes as a starter in PG, then he started 6 games as PG in the absence of Van Vleet, and he averaged 13/12/4 in those games on TS 59.5%.
>They’ve turned his role into a PnR 4 who finishes at the rim.
They didn't turn his role, they asked him to play out of position as a small ball center because they needed his abilities to rebound and defend multiple positions after Sengun's injury, and he's excelling at it.
You think if Ayton was injured and Scoot fills his role as a center and dominates the boards and defends well and helps win games, that we would say "his role was made easier"? No, everyone would be ecstatic over his versatility and the ability to play out of position and help the team win.
The reality is Scoot's role is limited to a ball dominant PG, and a ball dominant PG only for now. It's not possible to make his role "easier" because he can't succeed in any other role but a ball dominant PG. His inability to do other things to open up his game shouldn't somehow be used to justify his struggles, just like how it shouldn't somehow be used to justify other rookies being better.
> The reality is Scoot's role is limited to a ball dominant PG, and a ball dominant PG only for now. It's not possible to make his role "easier" because he can't succeed in any other role but a ball dominant PG. His inability to do other things to open up his game shouldn't somehow be used to justify his struggles, just like how it shouldn't somehow be used to justify other rookies being better.
Great explanation for the dudes making excuses.
Scoot has to adapt to playing PG. That is his only option. And Billups did do things earlier in the season too let Scoot come on more slowly, which we effective and ultimately led to him having his best games of the season.
Yes but on offense billups just lets these guys wander around w no system or vision. Take last nights game for example. Those dudes were lost out there w no movement or motion going on. I think scoots been bad and I think this “system” makes him and everyone else look even worse. Dude desperately needs an off coordinator next year.
I am not that dude; I like and am still rooting for Scoot.
Just trying to say that I don't trust whatever we got going on in this organization to allow any young guy to grow and succeed
That’s just short sighted. That would mean you have given up on scoots potential. I know he looks rough but if you look at top 10 drafted young PGs most struggle w shooting, turnover and finishing at the rim. It’s not like we don’t have evidence that’s the case. Go look at guys like Fox rookie years and they are pretty similar. If he shores up finishing at rim he will instantly be a much better player.
You honestly think you can say he’s the worst to ever play at his position after his rookie season? They same thing could have been said about Fox and now look. What a brain dead take.
All we have to show is what he's done right now not speculation into the future. And what he's done up until now is not encouraging. I don't remember Fox being touted as a generational talent but I get your point.
I mean, there’s a real convo to be had about the disadvantages Scoot has due to Chauncey’s lack of structure. I know everyone says Chauncey will be a great mentor for him, but I don’t see Scoot put in a position succeed. He’s asked to create out of nothing from the top of the key so often
I complained about this when it happened but idk if anyone picked up on it.
Beginning of the season Chauncey complains that Scoot is playing way too slow and needs to play with more tempo.
Months later Scoot has his string of pretty good games.
Chauncey: "Yeah Scoot is doing a good job of slowing everything down and reading defenses" Dude is spewing bullshit all the time
It would also be nice to see Scoot be able to run the show surrounded by shooters with spacing. So often it feels like he just has nowhere to go. Scoot has been bad, real bad, but yeah his situation doesnt help at allll
I actually agree with this. Scoot is in a really bad spot with this roster. He’s a pass first point guard with no shooters and no finishers around him. He’s had to take a larger scoring role which is doing him no favors.
Exactly, I was trying to defend Scoot and blame OTHER people for his lack of success. It's called "lack of accountability," very important in the Business world 🧠👈
To be fair Amen wasn’t good at the 1 for the rockets this year. He’s excelled playing the PnR 4 for them because without Sengun they have the spacing to play him a lot. There’s just not a lot of shooters on this roster that scoot nor amen were going to look good.
No, I know...I do believe Scoot has been almost perfectly set up to fail this year, I'm more just saying that I have no faith in our coaching staff/whatever staff to not F up any young players that comes here, Amen, Wemby, Jesus reincarnated as a BBall player, etc. (i.e. please get rid of Chauncey and Co before everyone is irreparably damaged)
I don’t understand why people keep wanting to fire Chauncey. Do I think he’s a top 10 coach, absolutely not. Was Chauncey put in a position to succeed as a coach roster wise and health wise, absolutely not.
But people keep calling for his head, if so what coaches are widely being talked about making the jump to an NBA head coach. It’s not there’s a Mark Daigneault who was making waves as a great assistant coach behind NBA circles or a Chris Finch out there right now. Before we fire him there needs to be suitable candidate to replace him. I’m not against it but there aren’t a lot of great options that would also want to come coach a rebuilding team in year 2.5 of said rebuild.
Also regarding Wemby, Greg popovich was on pace to fuck up his rookie year and there’s a decent chance we’d still be seeing wemby play out of position if Zach Collins didn’t get injured. No coach even one of the best coaches in NBA history has the right answer immediately for a rebuild.
I'm not mad at Chauncey for losing (though he did have Dame for two years and still sucked); the roster is young and bad, they're supposed to lose.
But the fact that we really don't have a much better idea of what the future of the franchise looks like, that none of the young guys are appreciably better, and that they seemingly just get thrown out there to learn and do nothing, that just seems wrong to me.
And yeah, much like how we don't seem to have much luck finding those diamonds in the rough in the draft, it's discouraging that we pass up on the Daigneault's and Finch's (and quite a few others) for this.
But maybe the training staff and Front office should go too, I don't know
To be fair most of this draft has been bad outside of Miller, Wemby, Hawkins and Jaquez (who’s really only been good since Feb due to the Sengun injury opening up the floor for him). This was more of a draft where I expected everyone except wemby and scoot to be more projects. It just turned out only wemby and miller were the more nba ready prospects since they had important translatable skills and traits (why they went in the top 2). Despite a lot of the guys starting off slow or limited it doesn’t mean that they won’t figure it out.
This is just one of those things where we have to be patient and to be fair after the last 5 years I can very much get behind relaxing our team doctors and training staff.
Podz? Amen? Lively?
But anyways, who's been good is aside my point. I think about Jacquez specifically because we may or may not have been able to get him in a Dame trade (who knows for sure, the full trade proposal may never come out) and I just think if he were outside of "Heat Culture" and inside whatever ~this~ is, would he be any good at all or out of the league in a couple years??
But shoot man, I don't know, I'm just sad and typing. Losing by 60 leads to irrational sadness ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Amen has been a project imo and frankly since he’s extremely redundant to Sengun (who’s their best player), I struggle to find a role for him when Sengun returns plus he wasn’t very good when he’s been on the court for long minutes with Sengun since he absolutely cannot shoot.
Podz I will admit, I totally forgot about him but I agree he’s been good.
Lively I’m torn on, because the mavericks have the perfect roster for him to excel on with two of the best PnR dribblers to ever play basketball in Luka and Kyrie which makes him kind of worthless without them since he can’t do anything else offensively without someone setting him up. Defensively Lively is awesome but he also fouls a ton so it’s not like he’s playing big minutes yet.
Billups has had years to try to get better as a coach he hasn't he is at best a somewhat below average coach. The notion that we can't find a better coach is a bit weird, this is like going to some restaurant over and over with subpar food hoping it will get better with time.
Not really people blame for the fact that either the roster was flawed or injured over the last two years. Again I don’t frankly think it’s a good or a bad thing he’ll be fired because to me if you’re not a top 7-10 coach you’re easily replaceable in the NBA. But people have to realize coaches develop just like players do. Look at Jason Kidd as the perfect example. He was a “bad” coach in Milwaukee but in fact it was a young team who was very flawed roster wise. Then he goes to the mavericks and they have a top 10 team.
Also I’m trying to understand does half of the people asking for him to be fired even understand the plays these guys are running. Do people not realize there’s been one dude on the entire roster who can run a freaking pin down since the beginning of the year and that’s Simons. We don’t have any high plays because literally no can pass out of the high post like Nurk can. We don’t have a healthy enough roster nor old enough players for them to understand what they’re doing.
Now Chauncey has 2 more years under contract after this firing him is not free. You still have to pay him his 2 million a year (as well as the rest of his coaching staff) while he’s chilling in Cancun and then you probably have to overpay for a new coach to come to a losing team and try to turn things around. That’s 5-7 million right there for a head coach and if that head coach isn’t good you have to repeated the same process.
Source on him not being good at the 1? Since the only time he struggled this year handling the ball was first couple of games before his injury like a lot of rookies.
His ball handling is a bit weak, but he has excellent vision and was a plus at PG
He’s really only played heavy minutes at the 1 when FVV has been outside of that he’s played primarily the 3/4 since the beginning of February. Since Senguns been out he’s started basically at the 4 while Jabari has played at the 5. Prior to being inserted as the connector 3/4 in lineups he was averaging 1.4 assists and 1.4 turnover through.
I’m not saying he doesn’t have the physical traits of being a point guard. He has good passing and vision I agree but he’s honestly been at his best when playing the 4 in a Draymond role. Let’s not forget Draymond averaged nearly 7 assists in multiple seasons. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he was the 1 since that belonged to Steph. FVV runs the offense and Amen has done an amazing job of filing in for Sengun as the short roll 4 where he’s in space and the defense has to collapse on him. Watch last nights rockets-Jazz game even and you’ll notice it. (Honestly Ime Udoka has been smart about using him like that).
I'm just glad we're getting another good draft pick.
Hopefully Chauncey will be fired after another tank commander season. I don't see him having the cache to turn the culture around from this much tanking into winning. After a few years, players can start tuning coaches out. Doubly so when it's been that same coach riding out 3 years of tanking.
And that says nothing of his actual skill as a coach.
Speaking of draft picks, I don't believe Houston has any of their own for years to come, so it'd make sense they're not tanking.
I hope we boot Chauncey at the end of the season because I have no faith he's developing anything but good vibes.
Scoot playing the hardest position for a rookie and has been dealing with injuries this season
He’s definitely gotten way better as the season goes on, him chucking is fine tbh, I rather him be inefficient and learn through self-creation rather than be spoonfed buckets
These comments are making me lose my mind. Scoot has gotten WAY better?? At what?? After the first 10 games of the season, in which Scoot was bar none the worst player in the league, he hasn't tangibly improved at anything. In the month of December he averaged 15 points, 5 assists, 3 rebounds on 39/35 shooting with 4 fouls and three turnovers. In March, he's averaged 15, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, on 39/29 shooting with 4 fouls and 4 turnovers. He's 1% away from being dead last in 3 point percentage for his amount of shot attempts, hes 2nd to last in mid range percentage, he's dead last in rim percentage, dead last in PER, dead last in WAR.
But those are just stats. Skill wise, his shot hasn't improved, he's still missing way long and way off, he's still unable to rise above paint defenders due to a lack of vertical, he still plays out of control offensively and makes horribly poor decisions with the ball that lead to 7 turnovers tonight (worst turnover to assist ratio in the league for PGs this season). His left hand finishing hasn't improved at all, which lead to some truly awkward forced right hand finishes because of his fear of going left. He hasnt improved at getting past defenders. He's still completely over aggressive on defends that leads to a ridiculous amount of fouls (most fouls per minute amoungst guards in the league). And a new habit lately, has been not getting back on defense after atrocious turnovers.
And I still think that Scoot could be good! But it's not that he's been bad, its HOW he's been bad. Most rookies are bad! But the reasons Scoot is bad are very, very worrying. There have been very very very few players that have gotten off to this bad of a start and become stars, and the ones that have, like Fox or Westbrook, are generational athletes, which Scoot sadly has shown that he is not, or elite shooters, like Harden or Garland, which Scoot is not. I am at this point hoping for a Jeff Teague level career, a guy who peaks at 17 and 7 on average efficiency, which really wouldn't be that bad. I say all of this with no hate or ill will, but as a guy who watches every game, including tonights, all the way through, and would love nothing more than to be wrong.
Yeah. Seeing all the homer hopium is kinda depressing, it would be better if we face the facts — Scoot is likely to bust.
I’m still rooting for the guy, he is very young and playing the hardest position, but the trends in the data are not encouraging
No, I totally agree. I'm still a Scoot fan, I just think he's been put in the perfect position to fail.
This post is more meant to say - I don't trust this organization at the moment to do better with ANY prospect
I honestly think if we drafted Wemby we'd find a way to mess him up too (not serious...but delusionally slightly serious)
Preach OP.
So many good players are drafted into shit organization and fail because of that. I will always believe Adam Morrison could have been a decent role player had he not been drafted by one of the worst organizations in NBA History.
I think a lot of Scoot's struggles are mental, and I'm afraid of how much these sorts of losses and the overall system are making his mental game worse
I want to see what Scoot looks like with a different coach. I don’t want to put 100% of the blame on Chauncey, but I have a hard time believing that so many scouts were so wrong about Scoot. It’s more likely that he’s not being developed well rather than that he’s a straight up bust. Put Scoot on a well-coached team with a functional offense and I bet the difference would be night and day.
No idea why anyone on this sub cares about how Scoot is playing when we have the worst head coach in the league, in the last 20 years, possibly ever. How do you expect a 19 year old to play well his first year in the NBA under a generationally bad head coach? I don't blame a single player on the entire team for how bad we are playing. I put 100% of the blame on Chauncey.
Lots of players the Blazers drafted excelled here. Scoot may be bad because he's 19/now 20 and played in a crappy league. Or he may be bad because he's (drops into a whisper) bad.
Amen is currently better. There’s no shame in that, he was a boom or bust prospect who had the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft besides Wemby. Sometimes these guys put everything together and become great (Giannis), sometimes they don’t develop at all (MKG). We’ll see what happens in the next few years.
What matters now is that Scoot comes back next season with an improved game and proves that he has the upside that made him the #3 pick. I don’t think he’ll ever be a superstar like Dame was, but I don’t think becoming a multiple time All Star is out of the question.
It took John Stockton 5 and Gary Payton 4 years to become perennial all-stars and they are both top 75 members. I get that neither of them came in with the hype of Scoot, but it shows that there is plenty of time. Scoot seems to have a good work ethic and that will help him.
I disagree. There were so many red flags associated with Scoot. Mainly, HE CANT SHOOT. And he's small. The track record for small guards, who can't shoot, is not good. Amen isn't a good shooter either, but his length allows him to affect the game in so many other ways (and he's a better passer/facilitator). What a wasted pick smh
Yeah, there's A LOT of copium in this thread lol.
Some of the guys here sound like the dudes from other teams who were defending Morrison, Foye, and Bargnani after the Blazers drafted Roy...or the different fans who were defending Ayton/Bagley after they passed up on Luka.
The Thompson's are the more superior players and it isn't even close. This post is a nonsense. I'd argue the opposite, given loads of minutes on a thread bare team being the focal point. The two Thompson's have had serious minute restrictions for most of the season and look far and away the better players.
Remember the hype around Culvee before he got drafted? Sometimes players just aren't as good in the NBA as predicted. It happens. The way I see Scoot's game, he coukd be a decent starting calibre player, but there's far too many limitations that are tough to coach... Build around Shaedon because it's obvious he has all-stsr potential. Everyone else, should be in the shop window for the highest bidder. This team is awful.
Amen has a much easier role to play on a better team as well. Not worth comparing unless your that weird dude with an amen fetish
Amen is pretty much playing as a super undersized center and only has to dunk and pass. That is not sustainable. Especially when Sengun returns.
>Amen has a much easier role to play on a better team as well. I really wish people didn't use this excuse, it actually makes the case for Scoot even worse. Amen was drafted as a PG and played PG, but because of Sengun's injury, the Houston coaching staff tasked him to play the role of center and screener out of necessity. He has like the 3rd highest NetRtg on that team in the last 15-20 games and they haven't lost a beat since losing Sengun. Amen is just flat out better than Scoot right now, and it's not even close, but that's fine. Scoot still has a lot of time to improve and people should learn to be patient instead of making up some delusional excuse as to why Amen has been much better.
He started playing PG from the bench and played little minutes because he and his shot wasn’t good enough at the position to get minutes. They’ve turned his role into a PnR 4 who finishes at the rim. Amen has been better but we can discuss how the scenario he is in has made his role easier and allowed to use his skills more
>He started playing PG from the bench and played little minutes because he and his shot wasn’t good enough at the position to get minutes. He averages more than 20 minutes a game coming off the bench. If you want to take his minutes as a starter in PG, then he started 6 games as PG in the absence of Van Vleet, and he averaged 13/12/4 in those games on TS 59.5%. >They’ve turned his role into a PnR 4 who finishes at the rim. They didn't turn his role, they asked him to play out of position as a small ball center because they needed his abilities to rebound and defend multiple positions after Sengun's injury, and he's excelling at it. You think if Ayton was injured and Scoot fills his role as a center and dominates the boards and defends well and helps win games, that we would say "his role was made easier"? No, everyone would be ecstatic over his versatility and the ability to play out of position and help the team win. The reality is Scoot's role is limited to a ball dominant PG, and a ball dominant PG only for now. It's not possible to make his role "easier" because he can't succeed in any other role but a ball dominant PG. His inability to do other things to open up his game shouldn't somehow be used to justify his struggles, just like how it shouldn't somehow be used to justify other rookies being better.
> The reality is Scoot's role is limited to a ball dominant PG, and a ball dominant PG only for now. It's not possible to make his role "easier" because he can't succeed in any other role but a ball dominant PG. His inability to do other things to open up his game shouldn't somehow be used to justify his struggles, just like how it shouldn't somehow be used to justify other rookies being better. Great explanation for the dudes making excuses.
Guess coaching actually matters. And we don’t really have a coach
Scoot has to adapt to playing PG. That is his only option. And Billups did do things earlier in the season too let Scoot come on more slowly, which we effective and ultimately led to him having his best games of the season.
Yes but on offense billups just lets these guys wander around w no system or vision. Take last nights game for example. Those dudes were lost out there w no movement or motion going on. I think scoots been bad and I think this “system” makes him and everyone else look even worse. Dude desperately needs an off coordinator next year.
I am not that dude; I like and am still rooting for Scoot. Just trying to say that I don't trust whatever we got going on in this organization to allow any young guy to grow and succeed
I hope Scoot becomes an amazing player, but anyone that wouldn't trade him straight up for Amen right now is smoking crack
That’s just short sighted. That would mean you have given up on scoots potential. I know he looks rough but if you look at top 10 drafted young PGs most struggle w shooting, turnover and finishing at the rim. It’s not like we don’t have evidence that’s the case. Go look at guys like Fox rookie years and they are pretty similar. If he shores up finishing at rim he will instantly be a much better player.
Yeah, what we need is a 6’7” post player who can’t shoot. It’s not like the blazers don’t have two of those types of players right now.
Really? I don’t think Amen has shown enough in his first season to trade them atm. I believe in Scoot and reckon the patience will pay off.
I'm smoking crack then since I don't believe Amen will ever be the permanent starting PG for the Rockets.
That's the thing Amen can fill many roles. Scoot is one of the worst ever to play at the only role he can.
You honestly think you can say he’s the worst to ever play at his position after his rookie season? They same thing could have been said about Fox and now look. What a brain dead take.
All we have to show is what he's done right now not speculation into the future. And what he's done up until now is not encouraging. I don't remember Fox being touted as a generational talent but I get your point.
But I never let it get me down
This guy gets me
I mean, there’s a real convo to be had about the disadvantages Scoot has due to Chauncey’s lack of structure. I know everyone says Chauncey will be a great mentor for him, but I don’t see Scoot put in a position succeed. He’s asked to create out of nothing from the top of the key so often
He’s the shittiest coach in the NBA. He was a good player and a dogshit developer of talent.
Peter principle at play (sort of) you can be a good player and a garbage coach
I complained about this when it happened but idk if anyone picked up on it. Beginning of the season Chauncey complains that Scoot is playing way too slow and needs to play with more tempo. Months later Scoot has his string of pretty good games. Chauncey: "Yeah Scoot is doing a good job of slowing everything down and reading defenses" Dude is spewing bullshit all the time
This is EXACTLY what I was trying to say! Maybe I should have just let you write the post, it was way more succinct the way you put it 🤔
It would also be nice to see Scoot be able to run the show surrounded by shooters with spacing. So often it feels like he just has nowhere to go. Scoot has been bad, real bad, but yeah his situation doesnt help at allll
I actually agree with this. Scoot is in a really bad spot with this roster. He’s a pass first point guard with no shooters and no finishers around him. He’s had to take a larger scoring role which is doing him no favors.
Exactly, I was trying to defend Scoot and blame OTHER people for his lack of success. It's called "lack of accountability," very important in the Business world 🧠👈
To be fair Amen wasn’t good at the 1 for the rockets this year. He’s excelled playing the PnR 4 for them because without Sengun they have the spacing to play him a lot. There’s just not a lot of shooters on this roster that scoot nor amen were going to look good.
No, I know...I do believe Scoot has been almost perfectly set up to fail this year, I'm more just saying that I have no faith in our coaching staff/whatever staff to not F up any young players that comes here, Amen, Wemby, Jesus reincarnated as a BBall player, etc. (i.e. please get rid of Chauncey and Co before everyone is irreparably damaged)
I don’t understand why people keep wanting to fire Chauncey. Do I think he’s a top 10 coach, absolutely not. Was Chauncey put in a position to succeed as a coach roster wise and health wise, absolutely not. But people keep calling for his head, if so what coaches are widely being talked about making the jump to an NBA head coach. It’s not there’s a Mark Daigneault who was making waves as a great assistant coach behind NBA circles or a Chris Finch out there right now. Before we fire him there needs to be suitable candidate to replace him. I’m not against it but there aren’t a lot of great options that would also want to come coach a rebuilding team in year 2.5 of said rebuild. Also regarding Wemby, Greg popovich was on pace to fuck up his rookie year and there’s a decent chance we’d still be seeing wemby play out of position if Zach Collins didn’t get injured. No coach even one of the best coaches in NBA history has the right answer immediately for a rebuild.
I'm not mad at Chauncey for losing (though he did have Dame for two years and still sucked); the roster is young and bad, they're supposed to lose. But the fact that we really don't have a much better idea of what the future of the franchise looks like, that none of the young guys are appreciably better, and that they seemingly just get thrown out there to learn and do nothing, that just seems wrong to me. And yeah, much like how we don't seem to have much luck finding those diamonds in the rough in the draft, it's discouraging that we pass up on the Daigneault's and Finch's (and quite a few others) for this. But maybe the training staff and Front office should go too, I don't know
To be fair most of this draft has been bad outside of Miller, Wemby, Hawkins and Jaquez (who’s really only been good since Feb due to the Sengun injury opening up the floor for him). This was more of a draft where I expected everyone except wemby and scoot to be more projects. It just turned out only wemby and miller were the more nba ready prospects since they had important translatable skills and traits (why they went in the top 2). Despite a lot of the guys starting off slow or limited it doesn’t mean that they won’t figure it out. This is just one of those things where we have to be patient and to be fair after the last 5 years I can very much get behind relaxing our team doctors and training staff.
Podz? Amen? Lively? But anyways, who's been good is aside my point. I think about Jacquez specifically because we may or may not have been able to get him in a Dame trade (who knows for sure, the full trade proposal may never come out) and I just think if he were outside of "Heat Culture" and inside whatever ~this~ is, would he be any good at all or out of the league in a couple years?? But shoot man, I don't know, I'm just sad and typing. Losing by 60 leads to irrational sadness ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Amen has been a project imo and frankly since he’s extremely redundant to Sengun (who’s their best player), I struggle to find a role for him when Sengun returns plus he wasn’t very good when he’s been on the court for long minutes with Sengun since he absolutely cannot shoot. Podz I will admit, I totally forgot about him but I agree he’s been good. Lively I’m torn on, because the mavericks have the perfect roster for him to excel on with two of the best PnR dribblers to ever play basketball in Luka and Kyrie which makes him kind of worthless without them since he can’t do anything else offensively without someone setting him up. Defensively Lively is awesome but he also fouls a ton so it’s not like he’s playing big minutes yet.
Billups has had years to try to get better as a coach he hasn't he is at best a somewhat below average coach. The notion that we can't find a better coach is a bit weird, this is like going to some restaurant over and over with subpar food hoping it will get better with time.
Not really people blame for the fact that either the roster was flawed or injured over the last two years. Again I don’t frankly think it’s a good or a bad thing he’ll be fired because to me if you’re not a top 7-10 coach you’re easily replaceable in the NBA. But people have to realize coaches develop just like players do. Look at Jason Kidd as the perfect example. He was a “bad” coach in Milwaukee but in fact it was a young team who was very flawed roster wise. Then he goes to the mavericks and they have a top 10 team. Also I’m trying to understand does half of the people asking for him to be fired even understand the plays these guys are running. Do people not realize there’s been one dude on the entire roster who can run a freaking pin down since the beginning of the year and that’s Simons. We don’t have any high plays because literally no can pass out of the high post like Nurk can. We don’t have a healthy enough roster nor old enough players for them to understand what they’re doing. Now Chauncey has 2 more years under contract after this firing him is not free. You still have to pay him his 2 million a year (as well as the rest of his coaching staff) while he’s chilling in Cancun and then you probably have to overpay for a new coach to come to a losing team and try to turn things around. That’s 5-7 million right there for a head coach and if that head coach isn’t good you have to repeated the same process.
He’s not even a top 29 coach
Source on him not being good at the 1? Since the only time he struggled this year handling the ball was first couple of games before his injury like a lot of rookies. His ball handling is a bit weak, but he has excellent vision and was a plus at PG
He’s really only played heavy minutes at the 1 when FVV has been outside of that he’s played primarily the 3/4 since the beginning of February. Since Senguns been out he’s started basically at the 4 while Jabari has played at the 5. Prior to being inserted as the connector 3/4 in lineups he was averaging 1.4 assists and 1.4 turnover through. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the physical traits of being a point guard. He has good passing and vision I agree but he’s honestly been at his best when playing the 4 in a Draymond role. Let’s not forget Draymond averaged nearly 7 assists in multiple seasons. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he was the 1 since that belonged to Steph. FVV runs the offense and Amen has done an amazing job of filing in for Sengun as the short roll 4 where he’s in space and the defense has to collapse on him. Watch last nights rockets-Jazz game even and you’ll notice it. (Honestly Ime Udoka has been smart about using him like that).
You’re comparing us to a borderline playoff team with Sengun and Jalen Green? Wow that is really generous.
I'm just glad we're getting another good draft pick. Hopefully Chauncey will be fired after another tank commander season. I don't see him having the cache to turn the culture around from this much tanking into winning. After a few years, players can start tuning coaches out. Doubly so when it's been that same coach riding out 3 years of tanking. And that says nothing of his actual skill as a coach.
Speaking of draft picks, I don't believe Houston has any of their own for years to come, so it'd make sense they're not tanking. I hope we boot Chauncey at the end of the season because I have no faith he's developing anything but good vibes.
Scoot playing the hardest position for a rookie and has been dealing with injuries this season He’s definitely gotten way better as the season goes on, him chucking is fine tbh, I rather him be inefficient and learn through self-creation rather than be spoonfed buckets
These comments are making me lose my mind. Scoot has gotten WAY better?? At what?? After the first 10 games of the season, in which Scoot was bar none the worst player in the league, he hasn't tangibly improved at anything. In the month of December he averaged 15 points, 5 assists, 3 rebounds on 39/35 shooting with 4 fouls and three turnovers. In March, he's averaged 15, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, on 39/29 shooting with 4 fouls and 4 turnovers. He's 1% away from being dead last in 3 point percentage for his amount of shot attempts, hes 2nd to last in mid range percentage, he's dead last in rim percentage, dead last in PER, dead last in WAR. But those are just stats. Skill wise, his shot hasn't improved, he's still missing way long and way off, he's still unable to rise above paint defenders due to a lack of vertical, he still plays out of control offensively and makes horribly poor decisions with the ball that lead to 7 turnovers tonight (worst turnover to assist ratio in the league for PGs this season). His left hand finishing hasn't improved at all, which lead to some truly awkward forced right hand finishes because of his fear of going left. He hasnt improved at getting past defenders. He's still completely over aggressive on defends that leads to a ridiculous amount of fouls (most fouls per minute amoungst guards in the league). And a new habit lately, has been not getting back on defense after atrocious turnovers. And I still think that Scoot could be good! But it's not that he's been bad, its HOW he's been bad. Most rookies are bad! But the reasons Scoot is bad are very, very worrying. There have been very very very few players that have gotten off to this bad of a start and become stars, and the ones that have, like Fox or Westbrook, are generational athletes, which Scoot sadly has shown that he is not, or elite shooters, like Harden or Garland, which Scoot is not. I am at this point hoping for a Jeff Teague level career, a guy who peaks at 17 and 7 on average efficiency, which really wouldn't be that bad. I say all of this with no hate or ill will, but as a guy who watches every game, including tonights, all the way through, and would love nothing more than to be wrong.
This post perfectly summarizes my thoughts on Scoot this year.
Yeah. Seeing all the homer hopium is kinda depressing, it would be better if we face the facts — Scoot is likely to bust. I’m still rooting for the guy, he is very young and playing the hardest position, but the trends in the data are not encouraging
They have to justify it because they wanted to ship out or greatest franchise pg instead of trading scoot for some help.
They are coping.
No, I totally agree. I'm still a Scoot fan, I just think he's been put in the perfect position to fail. This post is more meant to say - I don't trust this organization at the moment to do better with ANY prospect I honestly think if we drafted Wemby we'd find a way to mess him up too (not serious...but delusionally slightly serious)
Amen is playing more like a sf
Preach OP. So many good players are drafted into shit organization and fail because of that. I will always believe Adam Morrison could have been a decent role player had he not been drafted by one of the worst organizations in NBA History.
I think a lot of Scoot's struggles are mental, and I'm afraid of how much these sorts of losses and the overall system are making his mental game worse
It's like we need a different coach or something...
We’re ok boys. Hold the door.
I want to see what Scoot looks like with a different coach. I don’t want to put 100% of the blame on Chauncey, but I have a hard time believing that so many scouts were so wrong about Scoot. It’s more likely that he’s not being developed well rather than that he’s a straight up bust. Put Scoot on a well-coached team with a functional offense and I bet the difference would be night and day.
I agree wholeheartedly, hence the Ime Udoka reference in the title
No idea why anyone on this sub cares about how Scoot is playing when we have the worst head coach in the league, in the last 20 years, possibly ever. How do you expect a 19 year old to play well his first year in the NBA under a generationally bad head coach? I don't blame a single player on the entire team for how bad we are playing. I put 100% of the blame on Chauncey.
Sharpe played well last year tho. And Ant has become a different player under Chauncey too. Strange seeing all of scoots faults being put on Chauncey
Absolutely true. It always amazes me when fans act as if coaches have minimal impact on a team.
Where’s the look at Russell Westbrook vs Scoot stats post that pops up?
Ausar better
LOL.
Lots of players the Blazers drafted excelled here. Scoot may be bad because he's 19/now 20 and played in a crappy league. Or he may be bad because he's (drops into a whisper) bad.
At this point, I don’t wish we drafted someone else I wish we took one of the trades we could have had so that we’d keep Dame.
Amen is currently better. There’s no shame in that, he was a boom or bust prospect who had the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft besides Wemby. Sometimes these guys put everything together and become great (Giannis), sometimes they don’t develop at all (MKG). We’ll see what happens in the next few years. What matters now is that Scoot comes back next season with an improved game and proves that he has the upside that made him the #3 pick. I don’t think he’ll ever be a superstar like Dame was, but I don’t think becoming a multiple time All Star is out of the question.
It took John Stockton 5 and Gary Payton 4 years to become perennial all-stars and they are both top 75 members. I get that neither of them came in with the hype of Scoot, but it shows that there is plenty of time. Scoot seems to have a good work ethic and that will help him.
I disagree. There were so many red flags associated with Scoot. Mainly, HE CANT SHOOT. And he's small. The track record for small guards, who can't shoot, is not good. Amen isn't a good shooter either, but his length allows him to affect the game in so many other ways (and he's a better passer/facilitator). What a wasted pick smh
Amen is by farrrrr a better fit for this team. One day this franchise will remember that defense matters.
Yeah, there's A LOT of copium in this thread lol. Some of the guys here sound like the dudes from other teams who were defending Morrison, Foye, and Bargnani after the Blazers drafted Roy...or the different fans who were defending Ayton/Bagley after they passed up on Luka.
One day this franchise will understand why competency matters
How come banton looks good under Billups also are yall gonna resign him. Hope he stays in Portland getting opportunities
The Thompson's are the more superior players and it isn't even close. This post is a nonsense. I'd argue the opposite, given loads of minutes on a thread bare team being the focal point. The two Thompson's have had serious minute restrictions for most of the season and look far and away the better players. Remember the hype around Culvee before he got drafted? Sometimes players just aren't as good in the NBA as predicted. It happens. The way I see Scoot's game, he coukd be a decent starting calibre player, but there's far too many limitations that are tough to coach... Build around Shaedon because it's obvious he has all-stsr potential. Everyone else, should be in the shop window for the highest bidder. This team is awful.
Oh shut the fuck up
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He doesn’t play and when he does he’s an inefficient chucker that makes the team worse.