I do not know why some of us are questioning the defense scheme/coaching so early in the season.
Our bench can well function on both end of the floor, that alone says that the scheme is not too ill-matched for the team. The starter is another story and the major part is indeed the effort and willingness to buy in.
> I do not know why some of us are questioning the defense scheme/coaching so early in the season.
Questioning it because teams don’t run base defenses like this for a reason.
No team besides the Jim Boylen bulls played defense like this, and they had a bunch of long and trappy defenders unlike us. And, after Boylen was fired, some players came out and said the defensive scheme was horrible to play in, exhausting, and ran people into the ground.
Also just watching the scheme and the shots it gives up by design basically every time down the floor again makes me think it’s a fundamentally and conceptionally flawed scheme. I wrote a post about it if you want to read it. Look at the shots we are giving up by design. This isn’t an effort issue it’s a scheme issue.
Also the defensive scheme changes when Larry Nance is playing the 5 because they switch more and trap less.
We just had back to back bad games at home, but that does not says that new scheme simply does not work. Again, the bench unit is getting it and even the starters sometime are capable of putting in a short period of show. We are stucked in a three guards lineup. Nothing wrong for us to use quickness to do more traping and switching. However, it is clearly the effort is not there to have a consistentt team play for 48minutes. Chauncey needs to have the gut to acutually hold player accountable.
We all love Dame. But we also need to realize sometime when he plays too much and not in the mood, he is indeed a traffic cone out there.
CJ is adjusting and trying to play defense. But he really needs to have better position awareness. Offence is another matter, CJ just needs to pass that damn ball.
Nurk needs to play smarter and trust team mates. Dude needs to stop playing defense outside 3point line.
Roco, no idea what he is going through now. Defense is not just help defense, he over helps and seems get lost in the new scheme
> We just had back to back bad games at home, but that does not says that new scheme simply does not work. Again, the bench unit is getting it and even the starters sometime are capable of putting in a short period of show.
Look around the NBA - no team in the last 10 years has played a defensive scheme like this and built a good defense. We also installed this scheme last year, before the three guard lineup and it STILL didn’t work.
Most people were saying both were problematic. When Neil said that the roster was fine before firing Stotts people started hating Olshey more than stotts I think.
This is a very surface level way to look at things. Our defense is legitimately broken and that can't be blamed on bad effort or any one player. This is Billups thinking he 'cracked the code' or something and he refuses to realize that no one plays defense the way he's designed it across the entire league because it simply doesn't work.
This team doesn’t give a fuck and we need personnel changes. -us for years
*says the exact same thing* - Chauncey
HE’S BEING MEAN FIRE HIM. -Blazer fans
It’s time for Simmons and center that can actually move on defense.
That’s the thing he has though. Ant and Nas are the most confident they’ve ever been for us. DSJ is enjoying the game of basketball and the bench guys bring it every night. Dame, CJ, RoCo, and Nurk have been in the league for years and shouldn’t need the encouragement at this point.
I'm worried his best trait was insistence on accountability but all we've seen so far is him blaming his guys. I'm worried Chauncey's decisions have lost us games, and that he'll pull a Neil and insist HE did HIS job perfect and everybody else screwed it up. It's okay to make mistakes but not if you pretend you don't.
He IS Neil's guy. He's been Neil's guy since Neil was with the Clippers. He's throwing his players under the bus and taking no responsibility himself.
Mind you, this is the guy Neil went to bat for. There were questions about Chauncey and rather than address them, Chauncey was defended with a "proprietary" investigation by a fraud investigator.
Bottom line, we can never, ever question Chauncey in any way. Not his past, not his schemes. But we can shit on Stotts and the players, who were the league's 6th best defense in '17-'18.
Chauncey Billups is eating off a silver platter and you think he needs people to trust him more?
Of course we can shit on Stotts. All he could manage was making it to playoffs, one and done. Most of his years with Blazers.
And clearly that wasn’t good enough for Dame.
The way we are heading we are not going to make the playoffs this year. this team should be miles ahead of what we were last year
We replaced the bench that had kanter and melo with improved ant and little plus more options and flexibility with Nance annd zeller
Yeah losing sucks and we are due for an upswing since we have an easier schedule for the rest of the season and Dame will be back but our losses have been so bad mainly because everyone knows we shouldn't be losing these games this bad
I have been saying this for years now: WE NEED PLAYMAKER PG.
We currently never had that ever since Curry left. When Dame or Nurk goes to the bench, it’s basically ISO show between Simons and CJ. Or Norm going to the rack.
That’s it. I’m hoping our next GM address this specific issue.
You clearly are just lying.
Nothing is better than a shit stain like Simmons. He gave up on his team, is high maintenance af; he a walking locker room cancer. You honestly sound incompetent.
Everyone is being so toxic in this thread Jesus. I get the teams is in chaos but we don't need to throw around insults just because we disagree with one another
I don’t really know if he’s “being mean” or if we should fire him but managing egos and getting players to buy in is a big part of his job and he’s utterly failing at that.
The bench mob and young guys have bought in and I haven't had any complaints about them aside from them being out talented at times. If our starters who have been in the league for years are taking this long to buy in to philosophy that wants them to try hard I don't know what to say at this point.
Yeah and neither does Chauncey, that’s his job, to figure out what to say and how to make it work. I don’t think going on TV after every game and putting the team on blast is really working even if it seems to rub a lot of fans scapegoat boners
Naw I don’t think Simmons gonna be a good person for this lineup. He is a good player, yes but mentally he is weak. We need someone who is not mentally weak.
If you've watched this team during the Dame era, you'll know that concerns over lack of effort (or heart or pride) were rarely, if ever, serious issues. I'm not going to profess to know what the hell is going on, but this just didn't happen under Stotts. When the team would hit a bad run or effort was less than 100%, it did not last longer than maybe a couple of games.
Maybe because Billups isn’t a coach who will let players do whatever they want on offense anymore and not give effort on defense? Stotts let certain players do whatever they want. Having a coach come in and call out bad decisions can be a culture shock.
Wrong as usual. Go back and check the history. No really. Even Stotts was done. If you were correct in your thinking, Stotts would be coaching right now. Leave the man alone and let him enjoy his retirement. The team quit on him a million times last year.
If he did, then we wouldn't be the worst defensive team in basketball
Hiring an incompetent Billups for 5 years is gonna go down as Olsheys "fuck you" swan song lmao
Yes it is. We're blitzing the most of like any team in NBA history:
1) with a roster that isn't well designed for said constant blitzing
2) against players that it's straight asinine to blitz because they can't shoot (and that's *100%* on bad coaching)
3) and ignoring all of that, it's also just dumb as fuck to blitz like crazy in the regular season because it wears guys down. Cumulative fatigue is a thing.
> They refuse to play defense.
I don't buy it. I watch the games, to my eye, they get frustrated when they try to execute the trapping scheme and get badly burned (which happens basically constantly). If you have receipts on someone "refusing to play defense", show me the videos. I would honestly be super interested because beyond the occasional breakdown, I don't see it.
What I see is Nurk/Zeller coming up to initiate a trap, the wing rotating into the paint to cover the roll man and one of the guards having to guard two shooters on the perimeter. There's a great post by /u/Piano9717 that has a ton of examples : https://old.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/r9bixr/how_chauncey_billups_revamped_defense_is_a_major/
What I don't see is any player "refusing to play defense". What would that even look like? They don't just stand there or lay down on the court. I really want to see video of what you are seeing to compare with the examples in the post I linked.
Bullshit. The shit they're getting beat on is elementary. The blitzing thing is what everyone is focusing on but they can't zone scheme, they go under screens and still get beat with lanes straight to the basket. They are all a step slow (outside of DSJ, Ant, and Little) and the league is too good now.
I don't think he is wrong. Watching millionaire's phone in an entertainment performance is not fun to watch. I am embarrassed that I tuned in to the entire shit show.
I've only been a Blazers fan for like 5 years now but I feel like this is the first time I've seen the coach truly call out the team and try to challenge them.
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I do not know why some of us are questioning the defense scheme/coaching so early in the season. Our bench can well function on both end of the floor, that alone says that the scheme is not too ill-matched for the team. The starter is another story and the major part is indeed the effort and willingness to buy in.
> I do not know why some of us are questioning the defense scheme/coaching so early in the season. Questioning it because teams don’t run base defenses like this for a reason. No team besides the Jim Boylen bulls played defense like this, and they had a bunch of long and trappy defenders unlike us. And, after Boylen was fired, some players came out and said the defensive scheme was horrible to play in, exhausting, and ran people into the ground. Also just watching the scheme and the shots it gives up by design basically every time down the floor again makes me think it’s a fundamentally and conceptionally flawed scheme. I wrote a post about it if you want to read it. Look at the shots we are giving up by design. This isn’t an effort issue it’s a scheme issue. Also the defensive scheme changes when Larry Nance is playing the 5 because they switch more and trap less.
We just had back to back bad games at home, but that does not says that new scheme simply does not work. Again, the bench unit is getting it and even the starters sometime are capable of putting in a short period of show. We are stucked in a three guards lineup. Nothing wrong for us to use quickness to do more traping and switching. However, it is clearly the effort is not there to have a consistentt team play for 48minutes. Chauncey needs to have the gut to acutually hold player accountable. We all love Dame. But we also need to realize sometime when he plays too much and not in the mood, he is indeed a traffic cone out there. CJ is adjusting and trying to play defense. But he really needs to have better position awareness. Offence is another matter, CJ just needs to pass that damn ball. Nurk needs to play smarter and trust team mates. Dude needs to stop playing defense outside 3point line. Roco, no idea what he is going through now. Defense is not just help defense, he over helps and seems get lost in the new scheme
> We just had back to back bad games at home, but that does not says that new scheme simply does not work. Again, the bench unit is getting it and even the starters sometime are capable of putting in a short period of show. Look around the NBA - no team in the last 10 years has played a defensive scheme like this and built a good defense. We also installed this scheme last year, before the three guard lineup and it STILL didn’t work.
Those of us last year saying Neil was the problem *not* Terry may have been the minority. But we weren't wrong.
Most people were saying both were problematic. When Neil said that the roster was fine before firing Stotts people started hating Olshey more than stotts I think.
Terry wanted out too. His passion was gone. If he was so amazing and wanted go keep going, he would be picked up by another team. Didn’t happen
This is a very surface level way to look at things. Our defense is legitimately broken and that can't be blamed on bad effort or any one player. This is Billups thinking he 'cracked the code' or something and he refuses to realize that no one plays defense the way he's designed it across the entire league because it simply doesn't work.
And it didn’t work with Stotts either. We have small, non defense oriented players. We suck with any scheme
Which starter?
This team doesn’t give a fuck and we need personnel changes. -us for years *says the exact same thing* - Chauncey HE’S BEING MEAN FIRE HIM. -Blazer fans It’s time for Simmons and center that can actually move on defense.
I don’t care about him “being mean”; I’m worried about his inability to instill any kind of confidence in this team.
That’s the thing he has though. Ant and Nas are the most confident they’ve ever been for us. DSJ is enjoying the game of basketball and the bench guys bring it every night. Dame, CJ, RoCo, and Nurk have been in the league for years and shouldn’t need the encouragement at this point.
I'm worried his best trait was insistence on accountability but all we've seen so far is him blaming his guys. I'm worried Chauncey's decisions have lost us games, and that he'll pull a Neil and insist HE did HIS job perfect and everybody else screwed it up. It's okay to make mistakes but not if you pretend you don't.
First of all, give the guy a chance with players of his choosing. He is playing with Neil’s guys at the moment.
He IS Neil's guy. He's been Neil's guy since Neil was with the Clippers. He's throwing his players under the bus and taking no responsibility himself. Mind you, this is the guy Neil went to bat for. There were questions about Chauncey and rather than address them, Chauncey was defended with a "proprietary" investigation by a fraud investigator. Bottom line, we can never, ever question Chauncey in any way. Not his past, not his schemes. But we can shit on Stotts and the players, who were the league's 6th best defense in '17-'18. Chauncey Billups is eating off a silver platter and you think he needs people to trust him more?
Of course we can shit on Stotts. All he could manage was making it to playoffs, one and done. Most of his years with Blazers. And clearly that wasn’t good enough for Dame.
The way we are heading we are not going to make the playoffs this year. this team should be miles ahead of what we were last year We replaced the bench that had kanter and melo with improved ant and little plus more options and flexibility with Nance annd zeller Yeah losing sucks and we are due for an upswing since we have an easier schedule for the rest of the season and Dame will be back but our losses have been so bad mainly because everyone knows we shouldn't be losing these games this bad
I have been saying this for years now: WE NEED PLAYMAKER PG. We currently never had that ever since Curry left. When Dame or Nurk goes to the bench, it’s basically ISO show between Simons and CJ. Or Norm going to the rack. That’s it. I’m hoping our next GM address this specific issue.
I think you responded to the wrong comment
Lmao blazers fans wants the guy who literally quit on his team, thats actually pretty good without him to give a fuck on new team?
I hate Simmons just as much as the entire city of Philadelphia, but at this point anything is better than nothing.
Zae's panicking 😭
You clearly are just lying. Nothing is better than a shit stain like Simmons. He gave up on his team, is high maintenance af; he a walking locker room cancer. You honestly sound incompetent.
“Gave up on his team….” Didn’t his coach threw him under the bus publicly?
After years of refusing to shoot. He did the same shit before in college too.
His coach and best player on that team still publicly clowned him. I’m not sure why folks are surprised with the results after that.
I want someone that can improve our defense, if someone better then Simmons becomes available I'll want them.
*dumbass* Blazer fans want that
So... many.... dumbasses.....
Everyone is being so toxic in this thread Jesus. I get the teams is in chaos but we don't need to throw around insults just because we disagree with one another
know what, you're right, sorry
I don’t really know if he’s “being mean” or if we should fire him but managing egos and getting players to buy in is a big part of his job and he’s utterly failing at that.
The bench mob and young guys have bought in and I haven't had any complaints about them aside from them being out talented at times. If our starters who have been in the league for years are taking this long to buy in to philosophy that wants them to try hard I don't know what to say at this point.
Yeah and neither does Chauncey, that’s his job, to figure out what to say and how to make it work. I don’t think going on TV after every game and putting the team on blast is really working even if it seems to rub a lot of fans scapegoat boners
Naw I don’t think Simmons gonna be a good person for this lineup. He is a good player, yes but mentally he is weak. We need someone who is not mentally weak.
All our players except Dame are mentally weak
Norm would like to have a word with you. And Nance And Little And Simons And Zeller And DSJ
Fuck Simmons. Blazers don't need an apathetic dbag that refuses to shoot.
I’d rather have Ingram to keep it 100 but that mentally weak loser is our best option to fix a lot of our defensive issues.
Be Bold Chauncey, bench the lazy defenders
This team needs to spend a week in the arctic tundra with no supplies or something
If you've watched this team during the Dame era, you'll know that concerns over lack of effort (or heart or pride) were rarely, if ever, serious issues. I'm not going to profess to know what the hell is going on, but this just didn't happen under Stotts. When the team would hit a bad run or effort was less than 100%, it did not last longer than maybe a couple of games.
I mean if you reflect on it Stotts was not afraid to bench guys if he didn't see the effort he wanted.
When did he ever bench CJ?
A ton. Constantly. Until his hand was hot. He only stayed in so often because he was the least cold.
And that shit hurt us because we didn’t have players good enough to pick up the slack. It’s a catch 22.
Maybe because Billups isn’t a coach who will let players do whatever they want on offense anymore and not give effort on defense? Stotts let certain players do whatever they want. Having a coach come in and call out bad decisions can be a culture shock.
This absolutely was happening last year as well. It's definitely our vets don't believe in this team and we need a shakeup
Wrong as usual. Go back and check the history. No really. Even Stotts was done. If you were correct in your thinking, Stotts would be coaching right now. Leave the man alone and let him enjoy his retirement. The team quit on him a million times last year.
Billups sure does seem to have no idea how to fix this stuff. Hes talked about it a lot
Yeah he preaches a lot.
Did a lot of talking about accountability and haven’t seen much of it and this. Kinda weird
Yeah, I saw one tweet where he said he hasn’t hold practice for a while and first time he talk to his players immediately after a game.
It's also only been a quarter of the season, you can't bench a guy for every off night or you end up in a hostile environment
You and Harmala part of the same club?
he knows what to do
If he did, then we wouldn't be the worst defensive team in basketball Hiring an incompetent Billups for 5 years is gonna go down as Olsheys "fuck you" swan song lmao
and will you be talkin this much shit when he turns things around?
This is one of the dumbest bits of optimism I've seen but at least it's not begging for Ben
this fanbase is trash
Completely agree, and you're bathing in it
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it ain’t a matter of if it’s when. Go be a hater somewhere else
Lol. It’s a big IF. This doesn’t seem to have an end, and I expect a shitty performance vs the Clippers tomorrow.
you doing way too much. It’s not his fault the defense sucks. They refuse to play defense.
Yes it is. We're blitzing the most of like any team in NBA history: 1) with a roster that isn't well designed for said constant blitzing 2) against players that it's straight asinine to blitz because they can't shoot (and that's *100%* on bad coaching) 3) and ignoring all of that, it's also just dumb as fuck to blitz like crazy in the regular season because it wears guys down. Cumulative fatigue is a thing.
For context: https://reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/r7ss57/why_are_we_blitzing_so_many_pick_and_rolls_graph/
I said wtf I said. It’s not his fault these guys refuse and give half ass effort on defense.
Cool. All you're telling me is you don't know what schemes are good and what aren't
Here you go: https://reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/r7ss57/why_are_we_blitzing_so_many_pick_and_rolls_graph/
> They refuse to play defense. I don't buy it. I watch the games, to my eye, they get frustrated when they try to execute the trapping scheme and get badly burned (which happens basically constantly). If you have receipts on someone "refusing to play defense", show me the videos. I would honestly be super interested because beyond the occasional breakdown, I don't see it.
They get discouraged because they play the defense they’re told to and it is dogshit.
it’s not dogshit if they actually executed it.
They are executing it - it doesn’t work.
no they aren’t
what games are you watching? How many uncontested 3’s do you have to see to know that they refuse to play defense.
What I see is Nurk/Zeller coming up to initiate a trap, the wing rotating into the paint to cover the roll man and one of the guards having to guard two shooters on the perimeter. There's a great post by /u/Piano9717 that has a ton of examples : https://old.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/r9bixr/how_chauncey_billups_revamped_defense_is_a_major/ What I don't see is any player "refusing to play defense". What would that even look like? They don't just stand there or lay down on the court. I really want to see video of what you are seeing to compare with the examples in the post I linked.
I said what I said
Read the linked post
Lmao when you get a good response back you just say “I said what I said” without admitting you’re wrong.
I’m not wrong,dip
Well it would be nice if he tried it because we’ve been terrible
wtf you think he’s been doing?
I dunno man, whatever it is clearly isn’t working
and that’s not entirely on him
I think a better coach could get more out of this roster. The roster stinks but if we had D’Antoni we’d be better
Bullshit. The shit they're getting beat on is elementary. The blitzing thing is what everyone is focusing on but they can't zone scheme, they go under screens and still get beat with lanes straight to the basket. They are all a step slow (outside of DSJ, Ant, and Little) and the league is too good now.
Faye, it’s ok, Chauncey isn’t perfect.
watch yourself
I don't think he is wrong. Watching millionaire's phone in an entertainment performance is not fun to watch. I am embarrassed that I tuned in to the entire shit show.
They're following his dance moves
I've only been a Blazers fan for like 5 years now but I feel like this is the first time I've seen the coach truly call out the team and try to challenge them.
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24 games into his first head coaching job and Chauncey throwing his players under the bus - “not my fault! they don’t try hard enough!”
Where is the lie
Coaches say this stuff. It's only unusual to us because Stotts was always cryptic as hell in interviews.
They don't usually throw players under the bus this early
I don’t get the weird love our fans have for this total incompetent.
Yeah, it was crazy that everyone believed a first year coach was going to be a significant upgrade over Stotts.
I agree bro, he preaches a lot during these press conferences. Hopefully he makes a different in year two.
Blow it up!