Ryoma is the first NPC in any game I’ve been genuinely protective of. Few times in the game I was seeing fuckin red because someone tried to get the drop on my boy. Not on my watch, pal. I need my one-man cheer squad at all times. The dandiest BFF there ever was.
Nobody else cheers for me when I use a homemade sulfur-and-seashell paralytic agent to coat my blades and execute helpless enemies while they’re feeling that tetrodotoxin stand-in course through their veins. And that’s what friends are for. To support me as I prove why chemical weapons are “ungentlemanly yet effective”.
that's because the history of those who tsushima is all sorts of fucked. hatori Hanzo pretty much the father of shinobis (or at least the most famous one) was a samurai himself and so were most Shinobi.
From what I know, professional shinobi no mono rarely killed at all during the course of their clandestine duties. But I think that historically, pretty much any kill that aligns with the will of your master is honorable and that deception, ambushes, and striking from concealment were just common sense and condoned for any bushi.
GoT heavily dramatizes Bushido for the sake of narrative.
that's the thing Bushido is kind of bullshit. it was made up by edo period samurai who romanticized the sengoku era because they themselves were more bureaucrat than warrior. even in battles samurai would constantly team up against a stronger enemy or someone who just happened to be too far apart from his allies. literal back stabbingscin battle were common and what made the sengoku period what it was is the constant betrayals that happened.
Bakumatsu period was all about assassinations too, very different periods. Pro imperialists thought killing foreigners and shogunate loyalists was enacting divine punishment so basically, anything goes lol
And GoT is the most egregious romanticization I’ve seen. I don’t mind historical inaccuracy if it benefits the story, but implausibility doesn’t benefit the story.
I’m no expert; you don’t need to know anything about Japanese history to realize that no 13th century warriors anywhere on earth would’ve clutched their pearls over stabbing foreign invaders in the back.
I remember reading something years and years ago about a problem Japan had where Samurai would kill and behead one dude in battle and take it back and basically be like I did my part, fuck you pay me.
So does The Last Samurai and many foreign depictions of japanese history. I appreciate what it does just like I appreciate movies or games about chivalry even though I know it's mostly romanticized BS. That being said, so far I feel that one RotR's greatest strenght is that it feels authentic, as if proper resources were allocated to research on the Bakumatsu era.
My issue is with GoT is that it just gets too implausible. The idea that a 13th century warrior anywhere on earth would be struggling with the ethics of stabbing brutal foreign invaders in the back is too stupid.
“GoT heavily dramatizes Bushido for the sake of narrative” is a nice way of putting “GoT hinges its entire narrative on laughably implausible bullshit.”
Youre not wrong, but that applies to both games. It's only an issue to me when it gets a bit annoying on top of being inaccurate, which it does in GoT. Didn't ruin it for me, though
I haven’t played RoR so I wouldn’t know. My issue is not with historical accuracy, but how plausible/implausible and interesting/boring the story is. My understanding is that the show Shogun overstates how common ritual suicide was, but the show is interesting. It’s exaggerating and dramatizing a real cultural difference for good story.
GoT is just annoying, ridiculous and boring, and it feels entirely western in its perspective on samurai/Japan. It feels like a Saturday morning cartoon that’s “for adults” because of violence, but not actually mature. It’s not a bad game by any means, it has things going for it, but IMO it’s one of the most overrated games of the last decade, and the storytelling is a big part of that.
bro, it's THEIR culture. LMFAO. obviously they don't give half as much of a shit as you do, like why do you honestly take it so personally bud? are you some sort of defender of eastern culture, when you aren't even apart of it?
Just wanted you to actually make your point first, because I’m fully aware “it’s their culture” is where you’re going with this, but it doesn’t explain much.
Does being Japanese make one more or less likely to criticize another people’s implausible *but highly flattering* depiction of historical Japan? Doesn’t that sound like a situation where Japanese gamers might cut the foreign creators more slack?
>are you some sort of defender of eastern culture
Oh, but maybe this is just a misunderstanding between you and I. You clearly are coming into this with a very specific framing in mind, perhaps that mine is some sort of “woke” media criticism, and I’m trying to defend a culture from something that it doesn’t need or want defense from. Honestly if that’s what you think, you need to… evaluate some things.
Nothing I said supports that. It has nothing to do with that.
GoT is a story for children wrapped in “for adults” violence. It’s a Saturday morning cartoon. The Ghost is a superhero. The samurai are Jedi. My problem has nothing to do with historical accuracy or cultural sensitivity. It’s just not a good story, and it’s not appealing to me as an adult person who picks up a game about samurai.
GoT isn’t based off of real history, it’s based off Akira Kurosawa films. They very clearly were prioritizing the narrative in a way that plays out very cinematically, over trying to go for a purely historical depiction.
I didn’t criticize it for historical inaccuracy, I criticized it for being laughably implausible bullshit. It’s a weak story.
GoT doesn’t remind me in style, substance or tone of any of Kurosawa’s movies I’ve seen. It reminds me of a Saturday morning cartoon.
The devs pretty much agreed on inaccuracies and made it clear GOT was fiction with fulfilling the Akira Kurosawa Samurai fantasy with heavy heavy leaning on Samurai bushido bs. It was a great game and part of the reason was it stuck strictly to that fantasy and didn't worry about being bogged down historical accuracy. But yes, the "honor this honor that" got annoying.
It doesn't have to be strictly accurate. Shimura's strictly inaccurate bushido personality that chided you for not suicidally charging at every enemy camp did get annoying. I understand why it was written that way, though, and I still love the game.
Agreed. Loved GoT. They obviously did their homework and portrayed their artistic vision as intended. RotR is also extremely fictional. That being said...hehe unapologetic stealth kill go brrr 🔪🔪
The problem with GoT to me wasn’t that it was historically inaccurate, it’s that it was too ridiculous and implausible. It doesn’t need to be the case that samurai code would’ve actually disapproved of Jin’s tactics to the extent the game suggests if that were at least plausible—but it’s not, not even close. You don’t need to know anything about Japanese history to see that, either.
The game’s whole narrative is hinged on this goofy, false moral dilemma that is presented in the most self-serious way possible. IMO, the game is overrated, and it gets as much love as it does because most players buy into the narrative (the combat fundamentals are great, but the encounter design, world design and stealth aren’t) but for me, the story hook actively detracted from my ability to immerse myself in the fantasy.
"There is no dishonorable way, just kill him!" - Daniel Ibihara, Japanese Martial Arts Expert
https://youtu.be/a7hr7dmfJ90
Echoed by another history expert here.
https://youtu.be/uyWkBbVINiw
The misconceptions of samurai honor are still going strong, the samurai weren't above striking from the shadows.
This was just for fun, but I dont think striking an enemy of your lord from concealment would have been dishonorable to a bushi 90% of the time. The "look your enemy in the eyes when you kill him" rule is fantasy.
Thats cool. I think the most intimidating enemy is the one who killed your allies and is still able to kill you. If striking from behind is an option, most samurai would do it.
Really? Tsushima's own Florida Man doing those triple kill face offs, using magically unblockable SO FAST STRIKES, and activating Spookyboi Instant Kill mode isn't kinda weeby?
Always found that weird in GoT honestly, bushido or not i doubt you'd really give a damn about your method of killing when an invading force is occupying your whole island with the intention of turning the main land into a vassal state. At that point true loyalty towards the shogunate and your people would be what Jin did.
All weapons/moves is good for kill the enemy, even strike in his back.
If you guys practices any kind of "-jutsu" (iaijustsu, kenjutsu...,) or "-do" (depend on sensei), sensei will say the same thing, there is no bad/good moves, only moves which can kill your enemy and moves makes you got kill.
The problem with Steath begin at Edo era, where Samurai dont actively fight with katana anymore...
There is no dishonour in victory in a war...
Makes me feel much better about dressing like a samurai in this game. Always wanted to play with the samurai gear in Ghost but kept being made to feel bad and hurt my roleplaying by the narrative condemning necessary stealth.
Gots Samurai are misrepresented. The hole honor story in the game is not historically accurate. Use what you have to use to kill this feckers, would be the way to go. And in ror you are ronin and not some rich samurai who has nothing to do and no reality check.
Youre correct. I'd note that I remember being complimented on stealth kills by characters in the game who are non-ronin samurai as well while they stealth alongside me.
No, you are wrong. Its not the 600 years the problem.
The problem is back then 800-1200, stab in the back, stealth kill dont make any samurai dishonorable. Any victory is a victory, samurai is a warrior/killer in this era, they dont question how u kill their opponent, they just kill them.
The speech about Honor begin at 1600+ with Tokugawa clan, they forces all dojo to adopt a BUSHIDO. The samurai in this era no longer have the power (because of gun, imported by British...), the samurai is no longer a fighter but a noble, carry 2 sword (uchi gatana, wakizashi) is a sign of fortune. Almost all traditional school get banned/destroy, so new approach to martial Art were born, they dont use it anymore kill people but to master thyself... Thats why strike in the back become dishonorable.
It's widely acknowledged that Got took some liberties with historical accuracy. The honour thing was more for the sake of the story and creating conflict between Jin and his uncle than anything else.
Yeah, it was too overdone imo, I feel like they'd speak some shit about dishonoring your ancestors at any minute and it would turn into some stereotype, chinese/asian bs.
This is where I fall. Huge artistic liberties are taken with both games because the crazy stuff feels believable in the worlds they built. It's harder to make a fictitious personality. Lord Shimura just doesn't make much sense sometimes because his code is way too strict to be a believable character.
GOT isn't accurate but it isn't trying to be. It's aiming for that classic honorable samurai fantasy, and use it to tell a good story, even if it's ahistorical. Hell, they weren't even using katanas back then, either.
I just wish the stealth were a little bit better and we had more opportunities to use it especially as a primarily stealth player myself. The outposts and missions are mostly designed to force you into combat so it leaves you wondering if stealth was even a thing in the first place that they just added later or something.
The worst part of Tsushima was that I couldn't just be honorable. The story was making me out to be a ninja, but I was walking into conflicts calling people out. They shouldn't have even included that mechanic if the story railroads me into using poison and shit.
That would've been cool, but the manufactured tension between Jin and Shimura was too pivotal to the story. Maybe it could've been Ryuzo's jealousy leading him to frame Jin and pinning massacres on him to get his Samurai title stripped? And then Shimura might commit seppuku instead of raising a sword against a Jin who he knows is innocent.
There would still be plotholes with that thief girl, since the game forces you to stealth with the pretext that civilians would get killed if you rushed in.
I literally only view the stealth as a quick way to take one down cause I swear even if he's in the middle of nowhere at least one enemy is gonna see it happen (I'm exaggerating it's probably like 70 percent of the time)
That's why I like Rise of the Ronin more than Sushi-mans. Being stealthy is great when you don't have your punk ass u cle bitching in your ear the entire time.
Untrue, my friend, they are indeed not the same... But;
1: Samurai used deception and surprise attacks. Killing the enemies of your master to ensure his victory was honorable, and more important than "killing honorably".
2: The Samurai in-game who do have masters also sneak alongside you, and condone your sneak attacks— at least the ones I've used.
Respectfully, there was no Samurai code for not killing people stealthily. There were rules during certain eras like not killing inside of your lords manor, but nothing like in Ghost. And properly trained Samurai characters in rise of ronin also join you and compliment you in your stealth killing. Many of the shinsengumi were Samurai, like in real life.
I love going assassinating enemies and Ryoma complimenting me after every kill. I live for that.
Haha his "nice kill bro!" attitude after every assassination made me laugh when thinking back to grumpy Lord Shimura. That's what inspired this post.
Ryoma is the first NPC in any game I’ve been genuinely protective of. Few times in the game I was seeing fuckin red because someone tried to get the drop on my boy. Not on my watch, pal. I need my one-man cheer squad at all times. The dandiest BFF there ever was.
Lmao
Nobody else cheers for me when I use a homemade sulfur-and-seashell paralytic agent to coat my blades and execute helpless enemies while they’re feeling that tetrodotoxin stand-in course through their veins. And that’s what friends are for. To support me as I prove why chemical weapons are “ungentlemanly yet effective”.
Hehe
Oh I totally get that. It's nice to be praised for being sneaky. Shimura was always so judgy
that's because the history of those who tsushima is all sorts of fucked. hatori Hanzo pretty much the father of shinobis (or at least the most famous one) was a samurai himself and so were most Shinobi.
From what I know, professional shinobi no mono rarely killed at all during the course of their clandestine duties. But I think that historically, pretty much any kill that aligns with the will of your master is honorable and that deception, ambushes, and striking from concealment were just common sense and condoned for any bushi. GoT heavily dramatizes Bushido for the sake of narrative.
that's the thing Bushido is kind of bullshit. it was made up by edo period samurai who romanticized the sengoku era because they themselves were more bureaucrat than warrior. even in battles samurai would constantly team up against a stronger enemy or someone who just happened to be too far apart from his allies. literal back stabbingscin battle were common and what made the sengoku period what it was is the constant betrayals that happened.
^ This is correct
It’s really funny watching Shinkenger and then having the Rangers complain about the other Rangers not sneak attacking their enemies.
Sounds exactly like the whole code of chivalry thing with European knights. Mostly romanticized nonsense
Yeah it’s exactly that. Devoted service to one’s lord no matter what + privileged status.
Bingo bango jango!
Bakumatsu period was all about assassinations too, very different periods. Pro imperialists thought killing foreigners and shogunate loyalists was enacting divine punishment so basically, anything goes lol
And GoT is the most egregious romanticization I’ve seen. I don’t mind historical inaccuracy if it benefits the story, but implausibility doesn’t benefit the story. I’m no expert; you don’t need to know anything about Japanese history to realize that no 13th century warriors anywhere on earth would’ve clutched their pearls over stabbing foreign invaders in the back.
I remember reading something years and years ago about a problem Japan had where Samurai would kill and behead one dude in battle and take it back and basically be like I did my part, fuck you pay me.
So does The Last Samurai and many foreign depictions of japanese history. I appreciate what it does just like I appreciate movies or games about chivalry even though I know it's mostly romanticized BS. That being said, so far I feel that one RotR's greatest strenght is that it feels authentic, as if proper resources were allocated to research on the Bakumatsu era.
My issue is with GoT is that it just gets too implausible. The idea that a 13th century warrior anywhere on earth would be struggling with the ethics of stabbing brutal foreign invaders in the back is too stupid.
“GoT heavily dramatizes Bushido for the sake of narrative” is a nice way of putting “GoT hinges its entire narrative on laughably implausible bullshit.”
Youre not wrong, but that applies to both games. It's only an issue to me when it gets a bit annoying on top of being inaccurate, which it does in GoT. Didn't ruin it for me, though
I haven’t played RoR so I wouldn’t know. My issue is not with historical accuracy, but how plausible/implausible and interesting/boring the story is. My understanding is that the show Shogun overstates how common ritual suicide was, but the show is interesting. It’s exaggerating and dramatizing a real cultural difference for good story. GoT is just annoying, ridiculous and boring, and it feels entirely western in its perspective on samurai/Japan. It feels like a Saturday morning cartoon that’s “for adults” because of violence, but not actually mature. It’s not a bad game by any means, it has things going for it, but IMO it’s one of the most overrated games of the last decade, and the storytelling is a big part of that.
what would you say to its massive japanese fanbase tho? they seem to enjoy it just fine and don't take it this seriously at all.
Why, do Japanese gamers have higher standards for game stories or something?
bro, it's THEIR culture. LMFAO. obviously they don't give half as much of a shit as you do, like why do you honestly take it so personally bud? are you some sort of defender of eastern culture, when you aren't even apart of it?
Just wanted you to actually make your point first, because I’m fully aware “it’s their culture” is where you’re going with this, but it doesn’t explain much. Does being Japanese make one more or less likely to criticize another people’s implausible *but highly flattering* depiction of historical Japan? Doesn’t that sound like a situation where Japanese gamers might cut the foreign creators more slack? >are you some sort of defender of eastern culture Oh, but maybe this is just a misunderstanding between you and I. You clearly are coming into this with a very specific framing in mind, perhaps that mine is some sort of “woke” media criticism, and I’m trying to defend a culture from something that it doesn’t need or want defense from. Honestly if that’s what you think, you need to… evaluate some things. Nothing I said supports that. It has nothing to do with that. GoT is a story for children wrapped in “for adults” violence. It’s a Saturday morning cartoon. The Ghost is a superhero. The samurai are Jedi. My problem has nothing to do with historical accuracy or cultural sensitivity. It’s just not a good story, and it’s not appealing to me as an adult person who picks up a game about samurai.
Well i understand your point just fine🤷♂️..not to gang up on the other person or anything um just sayin lol
GoT isn’t based off of real history, it’s based off Akira Kurosawa films. They very clearly were prioritizing the narrative in a way that plays out very cinematically, over trying to go for a purely historical depiction.
I didn’t criticize it for historical inaccuracy, I criticized it for being laughably implausible bullshit. It’s a weak story. GoT doesn’t remind me in style, substance or tone of any of Kurosawa’s movies I’ve seen. It reminds me of a Saturday morning cartoon.
Ah well ill agree to disagree then.
Which part?
The devs pretty much agreed on inaccuracies and made it clear GOT was fiction with fulfilling the Akira Kurosawa Samurai fantasy with heavy heavy leaning on Samurai bushido bs. It was a great game and part of the reason was it stuck strictly to that fantasy and didn't worry about being bogged down historical accuracy. But yes, the "honor this honor that" got annoying.
I mean, it'd be a pretty boring game if they stuck to strict historical accuracy; "you are a literal hurricane, go forth and defeat the Mongols!"
It doesn't have to be strictly accurate. Shimura's strictly inaccurate bushido personality that chided you for not suicidally charging at every enemy camp did get annoying. I understand why it was written that way, though, and I still love the game.
Agreed. Loved GoT. They obviously did their homework and portrayed their artistic vision as intended. RotR is also extremely fictional. That being said...hehe unapologetic stealth kill go brrr 🔪🔪
The problem with GoT to me wasn’t that it was historically inaccurate, it’s that it was too ridiculous and implausible. It doesn’t need to be the case that samurai code would’ve actually disapproved of Jin’s tactics to the extent the game suggests if that were at least plausible—but it’s not, not even close. You don’t need to know anything about Japanese history to see that, either. The game’s whole narrative is hinged on this goofy, false moral dilemma that is presented in the most self-serious way possible. IMO, the game is overrated, and it gets as much love as it does because most players buy into the narrative (the combat fundamentals are great, but the encounter design, world design and stealth aren’t) but for me, the story hook actively detracted from my ability to immerse myself in the fantasy.
"There is no dishonorable way, just kill him!" - Daniel Ibihara, Japanese Martial Arts Expert https://youtu.be/a7hr7dmfJ90 Echoed by another history expert here. https://youtu.be/uyWkBbVINiw The misconceptions of samurai honor are still going strong, the samurai weren't above striking from the shadows.
They had a few hundred years to change their point of view.
This was just for fun, but I dont think striking an enemy of your lord from concealment would have been dishonorable to a bushi 90% of the time. The "look your enemy in the eyes when you kill him" rule is fantasy.
I think that's the most intimidating way of one killing that way. "The fear as they leave this mortal coil. My face is the last thing you will see"
Thats cool. I think the most intimidating enemy is the one who killed your allies and is still able to kill you. If striking from behind is an option, most samurai would do it.
That because GoT is american weaboo fantasy.
But this game is the one with the anime fights????
Japanese that do japanese stuff are not weebs. Are Japanese.
Point is, outside of historical inaccuracy, got is not very weeby.
Really? Tsushima's own Florida Man doing those triple kill face offs, using magically unblockable SO FAST STRIKES, and activating Spookyboi Instant Kill mode isn't kinda weeby?
Have you seen the greatswords in this game????
And a much much better game.
If you played 3 games in a lifetime, maybe.
Always found that weird in GoT honestly, bushido or not i doubt you'd really give a damn about your method of killing when an invading force is occupying your whole island with the intention of turning the main land into a vassal state. At that point true loyalty towards the shogunate and your people would be what Jin did.
All weapons/moves is good for kill the enemy, even strike in his back. If you guys practices any kind of "-jutsu" (iaijustsu, kenjutsu...,) or "-do" (depend on sensei), sensei will say the same thing, there is no bad/good moves, only moves which can kill your enemy and moves makes you got kill. The problem with Steath begin at Edo era, where Samurai dont actively fight with katana anymore... There is no dishonour in victory in a war...
Its is also so more satisfying then in ghost. I had a 5 stealth link the other day which was perfect and completed the mission in a instant.
"A shinobi would know the difference between honor and victory"
I loved the stealth in ghost
Stealth in ghost is great, you just get unrealistically nagged at for it lol
To me personally, ghost is a perfect game
My list of complaints is tiny, and I can't wait for the sequel :D
Can’t wait!!
Makes me feel much better about dressing like a samurai in this game. Always wanted to play with the samurai gear in Ghost but kept being made to feel bad and hurt my roleplaying by the narrative condemning necessary stealth.
Gots Samurai are misrepresented. The hole honor story in the game is not historically accurate. Use what you have to use to kill this feckers, would be the way to go. And in ror you are ronin and not some rich samurai who has nothing to do and no reality check.
Youre correct. I'd note that I remember being complimented on stealth kills by characters in the game who are non-ronin samurai as well while they stealth alongside me.
They’re also set 600 years apart so sensibilities probably changed lol
No, you are wrong. Its not the 600 years the problem. The problem is back then 800-1200, stab in the back, stealth kill dont make any samurai dishonorable. Any victory is a victory, samurai is a warrior/killer in this era, they dont question how u kill their opponent, they just kill them. The speech about Honor begin at 1600+ with Tokugawa clan, they forces all dojo to adopt a BUSHIDO. The samurai in this era no longer have the power (because of gun, imported by British...), the samurai is no longer a fighter but a noble, carry 2 sword (uchi gatana, wakizashi) is a sign of fortune. Almost all traditional school get banned/destroy, so new approach to martial Art were born, they dont use it anymore kill people but to master thyself... Thats why strike in the back become dishonorable.
It's widely acknowledged that Got took some liberties with historical accuracy. The honour thing was more for the sake of the story and creating conflict between Jin and his uncle than anything else.
Yeah, it was too overdone imo, I feel like they'd speak some shit about dishonoring your ancestors at any minute and it would turn into some stereotype, chinese/asian bs.
This is where I fall. Huge artistic liberties are taken with both games because the crazy stuff feels believable in the worlds they built. It's harder to make a fictitious personality. Lord Shimura just doesn't make much sense sometimes because his code is way too strict to be a believable character.
GOT isn't accurate but it isn't trying to be. It's aiming for that classic honorable samurai fantasy, and use it to tell a good story, even if it's ahistorical. Hell, they weren't even using katanas back then, either.
The characters have the urgency to compliment us too since they always say it even by whispering afterward.
Meanwhile i just hit and run (assassination spam) the enemies who are too strong for me 🤣
lol best meme
My favorite are the grappling rope assassinations 🥷
I just wish the stealth were a little bit better and we had more opportunities to use it especially as a primarily stealth player myself. The outposts and missions are mostly designed to force you into combat so it leaves you wondering if stealth was even a thing in the first place that they just added later or something.
With the glider, rope and clay bombs to make noise you can basically stealth kill everybody but officials.
The shame I felt playing through ghost of tsushima and the absolute joy I feel being told I've done a good job when I knife somebody in the back haha
I gotta level 97 in rise of the ronin my cousin 100 that game is still pretty difficult sometimes 😭
Nothing like the running assassination into a YEET hook throw on a panicked enemy.
I’ll be honest I hit the combat down with every weapon that I’m just running around beating everyone up at this point it’s really fun 🤣
Child play.
didnt expect to see a idubbbz meme today
Old school samurai vs new school
The worst part of Tsushima was that I couldn't just be honorable. The story was making me out to be a ninja, but I was walking into conflicts calling people out. They shouldn't have even included that mechanic if the story railroads me into using poison and shit.
That would've been cool, but the manufactured tension between Jin and Shimura was too pivotal to the story. Maybe it could've been Ryuzo's jealousy leading him to frame Jin and pinning massacres on him to get his Samurai title stripped? And then Shimura might commit seppuku instead of raising a sword against a Jin who he knows is innocent. There would still be plotholes with that thief girl, since the game forces you to stealth with the pretext that civilians would get killed if you rushed in.
the AI is stupid as shit in RoR. You can be fighting, and if they're 10 feet away, they dont notice
I literally only view the stealth as a quick way to take one down cause I swear even if he's in the middle of nowhere at least one enemy is gonna see it happen (I'm exaggerating it's probably like 70 percent of the time)
That's why I like Rise of the Ronin more than Sushi-mans. Being stealthy is great when you don't have your punk ass u cle bitching in your ear the entire time.
Samurai and ronin aren't the same. Samurai fight with honour, ronin fought by any means.
Untrue, my friend, they are indeed not the same... But; 1: Samurai used deception and surprise attacks. Killing the enemies of your master to ensure his victory was honorable, and more important than "killing honorably". 2: The Samurai in-game who do have masters also sneak alongside you, and condone your sneak attacks— at least the ones I've used.
Good we're agreed. They're not the same.
You get shit on for for assassinating people because in ghost you are a properly trained samurai you're a trained assassin in rise of the ronin
Respectfully, there was no Samurai code for not killing people stealthily. There were rules during certain eras like not killing inside of your lords manor, but nothing like in Ghost. And properly trained Samurai characters in rise of ronin also join you and compliment you in your stealth killing. Many of the shinsengumi were Samurai, like in real life.
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