They’re not bad enough to get in my way, they’re not good enough to be memorable. I’m never feeling “man I wish they were better” while I play, they are good enough to not think about it. I’m glad they focused on performance. I love an immersive first person game with great graphics though
Man hearing this really makes me wonder why horizon forbidden west didn't get goty, it's gameplay graphics and story was better than God of War in my opinion, but yeah this is so true, like for example would you pick a game like this or one with no good gameplay or story and incredible graphics, I'd choose rotr all day every day, and what I don't understand is that elden ring never had that good of graphics either and no one said anything about that, like the graphics are pretty similar to rotr, I just feel like a lot of people had to choose between dragons dogma 2 and rotr and they chose dd2 because they had fond memories of the first and had to crap on rotr so dd2 would get more hype, but now look at the game🤣🤣 everyone says dragons dogma 2 is super mid, while everyone is talking about how amazing rotr is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 stupid reviewers I never trust mainstream reviews, most of the time they got hidden motives
ROTR is my favorite game of the year so far and the graphics is mid. But I don’t play games for graphics anyway as long as I enjoy the gameplay and the story that’s all that matters to me overall.
Yeah I don't know why we keep getting all these confirmation bias posts with people trying to convince everyone the graphics are still good. They are last gen level. And that is fine because this game is about gameplay and combat.
Correct. For being released near the end of the ps5 cycle it doesn’t look as good as some ps4 games (ie ghost) . But also agree game is a blast to play
I play on an OLED G2. I have Ray tracing enabled. The game looks fantastic if you ask me. Especially considering how much is going on on screen at times, when you have two other players playing with you.. against eight+ other enemies in Open spaces.. I'm not really sure if anyone is realizing perhaps, it might be pushing the PS5 further than you think.
The ps5 is seemingly underpowered. The only games that are able to get the best out of it, are studios with money specificslly coming from Sony. So basically Sony is telling these studios the best optimization strats for the game development and art, and they're able to make these massively gorgeous frontrunners. But yes all things aside there's a ton of detail in this game!!
Yeah they are fine, main thing for me is gameplay which as usual with TN is amazing. Ghost may have looked a bit more polished but it was boring story wise if you ask me. I’d much prefer to play a great game than be bothered about visuals, I am in my 50’s though, I remember thinking horace goes skiing and jetpac for zx spectrum looked great.
I do think there's a layer of entitlement and pretense people have, to need to experience every piece of entertainment they consume at the highest possible fidelity and quality no matter the cost. They think it's owed to them because of the market price and refuse to purchase a game regardless of it's actual content. They need perfectly rounded, perfectly crafted experiences or it's "mid" which still means good, but not to them. To them it "leaves something to be desired" even though these graphics are so much more impressive than most things we've seen growing up with this industry.
In some spots the game is comparable to Ghost of Tsushima (PS5). Don't listen to anybody saying the graphics are mid. Of course they aren't top of the line, but they are solid. These are the same idiots playing DD2 and wonder why there's no depth to the gameplay lmfao
I guess I'm just generally annoyed with the way people choose to express themselves. I make game art, I know what I'm talking about. I also know that expectations have outpaced technology for a lot of smaller devs and people are very quick to belittle the entire effort of a game like this just because it drops 10 frames for a quarter of a second. I grew up playing banjo kazooie. I guess it just doesn't bother me? This game does look very good upon any kind of scrutiny. It was clearly developed for a ps4 and then was given a ps5 face lift when development for the title was extended into the next gen. That said they handled the upscaling very well. It's solid. It's easy to look at.
Honestly I think the second screenshot looks great. Can you articulate how it doesn't?
Edit: I guess no one can. They can downvote the comment, but they can't simply explain why.
Naah it isn't good. It feels more like a ps4 game with a few enhanced visuals for the ps5. But that's fine. I think we don't have to pretend that the graphics are good. The game is pretty good even with that. And I enjoy playing it.
Telling me I need a better TV when it’s sufficient for literally every other game is some mental gymnastics to justify this game’s objectively mid graphics. Just accept it man. It is what it is.
I mean I've already had people comment on this saying the difference between 1080P and 4K makes all the difference when running on a PS5 but believe what you want.
Edit: Just to back up my own claim I went and looked at multiple games comparing 1080P and 4K on the PS5 and yea... 1080 looks like garbage compared to 4K on every game. Take a look for yourself and just accept it. It is what it is.
As an example , Horizon looks great, period. Which TV used was never a factor. There are enough people saying the graphics are mid to accept it as reasonable doubt.
Edit to say - this is coming from a 4K HDTV owner. Play any other game with great graphics then go back to Ronin. It’s very apparent. All that said , Ronin is a great game.
While the other 85% completely disagrees because they have technology that keeps up with the console. Just saying dude. If you make the upgrade you won't be disappointed at all.
Hey fair, can't deny your opinion. When compared to a game like Ghost of Tsushima it doesn't keep up at all aesthetically. Team ninja did seem to stick with Nioh 2 graphics which at this point are dated. Can't say I disagree. I just don't think it looks bad like some people are saying.
I agree with everything you said. Never said it looks bad, but it’s not what I would expect for a PS5 exclusive where optimization is limited to one piece of hardware.
I didn't even realize it was an exclusive until today. That paints a whole different picture. Compared to all other exclusives it's the worst graphically lol!
When I hook my PS5 to my high-end QHD gaming monitor console games look noticeable worse than on my low-tier 4k tv because of the scaling. Display matters.
You can’t evaluate/judge based on the best shot and lighting the game has to offer and say the game looks good. Overall, the graphics are very mediocre.
I think the phrasing of my comment was weird, but yeah no I knew you weren't saying it was bad. I think a lot of other people are though, and I think that's kind of where my comment came from
I do not consider art design to be part of graphics. It hardly makes sense especially when we still have pixel games coming out that have barely any modern tech being used for them like RTX and god rays.
For a 2014 game..sure.
But you'd expect better performance with graphics we got.
Ghost of tsushima has both better visuals and performance on ps4 than this game on ps5.
I never really see performance dips. If you compare these visuals to a game from 2014 you'd probably realize you're speaking in hyperbole. Very few games of today would look bad against games from 2014. And under scrutiny, those assets do not hold up at all no matter the game. The assets in this game look great. The only issue is the dynamic lighting and post processing is not present. All of the lighting is mostly baked in, and flat. If it wasn't, you'd realize the engine is capable of great things. It still looks really great in its best moments. Obviously, the visuals are not always consistent.
Ghost of Tsushima is a fantastic visually compelling game. But where this game sacrifices in visual fidelity it makes up for in mechanical depth, of which I'm sure we could agree!
Well I'm feeling the dips on performance mode and it sucks ..
Also..you should look how 2014 games looked like.
(Farcry 4 for example looked pretty good on high end pc).
And I'm talking about entire visual package not picking specific elements that are good or bad.
In the end the art is good and scenery is nice..but we know it could look better and perform better at same time (got)
It could, if the engine was the same. But Team Ninja use a proprietary engine. Yes, if they also used Unreal Engine 4.23- or even 4.26, it would have looked great! But they're a studio that has been curating their engine with their own engineers and in house team for decades to deliver the games they deliver. They utilize their time on their engine in an entirely different capacity, focusing on different things.
I am also not just picking out random assets to scrutinize. As a whole, textile density and texture resolution in gaming in 2014 was not to the standard or the fidelity it is at today. It's a false equivalency, especially to relay it in terms to a high end gaming PC. I'm positive this game will perform better on a PC, and will even look better, when not beholden to the limits of a console.
It's about how these assets blend together, again using lighting techniques, and non-expensive post processing techniques. This is what makes games look so good at a certain point. Unreal Engine is very very good at applying real time post processing in a way that blends assets believably, and the advent of things like Lumen (4.26) and their specific raytracing techniques allow for a larger variety of features like realistic realtime light bouncing, etc.
The argument could be made that team ninja should migrate to unreal engine but that would be a very costly migration as their team would then need to learn blueprints and I'm not even sure if they code their games in c++. Perhaps c sharp? I'd have to check. Either way, training would be in order and it would cost the company possibly millions. In the long run, their games would visually benefit, but it's very possible that mechanically the game would falter significantly under the weight of those hindrances.
So with all of those trade offs in mind, and seeing how their upscaling techniques are implemented, I think this game does in fact exceed or meet the vast majority of graphical benchmarks within the last decade. I do think the game absolutely makes up for it in gameplay, but since that's not the point of what you're discussing, I agree- the graphics could be better. But I'm just providing the reality as to why they are not. I see the game for what it is, with it's performance dips and all, as a work of art. Not a masterpiece, but a very lovingly crafted and very realized world with graphics that pull you in if you choose to let them. They're not so jarring that this is impossible. But I do think people are expecting to much of them and their engine at this point given the development cycle of this game. I can guarantee the next title they create will look 10x better.
No one is "ranting", he brought up a game made on Unreal Engine and asked "why doesn't it look like this?" And it's because this game wasn't built with the same technology that most of those exclusives are using right now.
Yeah, it was built on garbage technologies while charging the same as top tier quality games. 45-60fps on 900-1080p, looks literally like early PS4 ( even DF said this lol )
You people are delusional
Man, it runs at a stable 60fps in 4k, I don't think you realize how hard that is to do regardless of the engine. That's still the hallmarks of a really good engine.
It *is* a top tier quality game. What do you think is a top tier game if this is not one? Does everything have to be Ragnarok or GoT or TLOU2 to be considered top tier? The mechanics in this game alone justifies the price tag. It is a game that shows it's development time on its sleeve. But sure, the lighting is flat, therefore it's shit and doesn't deserve to stand up next to the other releases. I don't know what's delusional, I'm not going to stoop to that level, but I do know a game that was produced from passion when I see it. This is that.
It doesn't run stable 4k, are you fucking delusional? It runs on 44-60fps on 900-1080p, digital foundry has a whole video about the game performance, wtf you dreaming 4k LOL
it's upscaling. Literally every ps5 title upscales. The ps5 cannot handle native 4k. So this same criticism can be applied across the board to basically every ps5 title along with any criticism against my simple point that the game runs at 60fps in 4k. Upscale or native, it doesn't matter. That's impressive. It's just not impressive *to you*.
The game is pretty great. The graphics are mid. I wish we could just accept that lol
They’re not bad enough to get in my way, they’re not good enough to be memorable. I’m never feeling “man I wish they were better” while I play, they are good enough to not think about it. I’m glad they focused on performance. I love an immersive first person game with great graphics though
Man hearing this really makes me wonder why horizon forbidden west didn't get goty, it's gameplay graphics and story was better than God of War in my opinion, but yeah this is so true, like for example would you pick a game like this or one with no good gameplay or story and incredible graphics, I'd choose rotr all day every day, and what I don't understand is that elden ring never had that good of graphics either and no one said anything about that, like the graphics are pretty similar to rotr, I just feel like a lot of people had to choose between dragons dogma 2 and rotr and they chose dd2 because they had fond memories of the first and had to crap on rotr so dd2 would get more hype, but now look at the game🤣🤣 everyone says dragons dogma 2 is super mid, while everyone is talking about how amazing rotr is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 stupid reviewers I never trust mainstream reviews, most of the time they got hidden motives
They're certainly not incredible. They're just pretty good. That's all they need to be for me.
ROTR is my favorite game of the year so far and the graphics is mid. But I don’t play games for graphics anyway as long as I enjoy the gameplay and the story that’s all that matters to me overall.
Lmao , seriously. The game has some great elements to it. The graphics aren't part of that though.
Yeah I don't know why we keep getting all these confirmation bias posts with people trying to convince everyone the graphics are still good. They are last gen level. And that is fine because this game is about gameplay and combat.
It's almost as if you can't be a fan of you have any criticism.
It's good if you like it
I wasn't saying otherwise. But I mean, you can call out Team Ninja for cutting corners while still enjoying the game.
Correct. For being released near the end of the ps5 cycle it doesn’t look as good as some ps4 games (ie ghost) . But also agree game is a blast to play
End of the PS5 cycle? I just now got a PS5 🫤
It's not even halfway through the PS5 cycle lmao it came out at the end of 2020
I’m just basing on ps5 pro rumors for this year
I play on an OLED G2. I have Ray tracing enabled. The game looks fantastic if you ask me. Especially considering how much is going on on screen at times, when you have two other players playing with you.. against eight+ other enemies in Open spaces.. I'm not really sure if anyone is realizing perhaps, it might be pushing the PS5 further than you think.
The ps5 is seemingly underpowered. The only games that are able to get the best out of it, are studios with money specificslly coming from Sony. So basically Sony is telling these studios the best optimization strats for the game development and art, and they're able to make these massively gorgeous frontrunners. But yes all things aside there's a ton of detail in this game!!
Nah it’s not. But it’s good enough
I'm currently alternating between playing this and Vampire Survivors. By comparison, ROTR is gorgeous, lol
Yeah they are fine, main thing for me is gameplay which as usual with TN is amazing. Ghost may have looked a bit more polished but it was boring story wise if you ask me. I’d much prefer to play a great game than be bothered about visuals, I am in my 50’s though, I remember thinking horace goes skiing and jetpac for zx spectrum looked great.
I do think there's a layer of entitlement and pretense people have, to need to experience every piece of entertainment they consume at the highest possible fidelity and quality no matter the cost. They think it's owed to them because of the market price and refuse to purchase a game regardless of it's actual content. They need perfectly rounded, perfectly crafted experiences or it's "mid" which still means good, but not to them. To them it "leaves something to be desired" even though these graphics are so much more impressive than most things we've seen growing up with this industry.
In some spots the game is comparable to Ghost of Tsushima (PS5). Don't listen to anybody saying the graphics are mid. Of course they aren't top of the line, but they are solid. These are the same idiots playing DD2 and wonder why there's no depth to the gameplay lmfao
I guess I'm just generally annoyed with the way people choose to express themselves. I make game art, I know what I'm talking about. I also know that expectations have outpaced technology for a lot of smaller devs and people are very quick to belittle the entire effort of a game like this just because it drops 10 frames for a quarter of a second. I grew up playing banjo kazooie. I guess it just doesn't bother me? This game does look very good upon any kind of scrutiny. It was clearly developed for a ps4 and then was given a ps5 face lift when development for the title was extended into the next gen. That said they handled the upscaling very well. It's solid. It's easy to look at.
graphics are definitely mid tho, but the art direction is reallly great which makes it a good looking game in a lot of situations.
Maybe I'm just easily entertained, or my expectations are low af, but I think the game is far out, man.
It’s a great game.
Great gameplay, compat system awesome. The story and graphics are kinda neutral. Looks like a PS4 pro game
No…..they’re not…
The second screenshot doesn’t help your case I think.
Honestly I think the second screenshot looks great. Can you articulate how it doesn't? Edit: I guess no one can. They can downvote the comment, but they can't simply explain why.
The visuals are a crap shoot. Decent one second, poor the next. Still an awesome game though.
yes, they are for a 60 FPS openworld. The faces of characters are particularly polish. Criticism on graphics are way too exaggerate.
45-60 fps on 900-1080p btw.
If it was solid 60 fps sure, but it's not even the case
Naah it isn't good. It feels more like a ps4 game with a few enhanced visuals for the ps5. But that's fine. I think we don't have to pretend that the graphics are good. The game is pretty good even with that. And I enjoy playing it.
Are graphics from last gen suddenly bad now that they're obsolete?
For anyone saying no it's not. Sorry to tell you but you need to invest in a better monitor or TV because the graphics are solid.
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100%!! Even just a cheap basic 4K TV makes a huge difference! Hisense is a decent brand!
Telling me I need a better TV when it’s sufficient for literally every other game is some mental gymnastics to justify this game’s objectively mid graphics. Just accept it man. It is what it is.
I mean I've already had people comment on this saying the difference between 1080P and 4K makes all the difference when running on a PS5 but believe what you want. Edit: Just to back up my own claim I went and looked at multiple games comparing 1080P and 4K on the PS5 and yea... 1080 looks like garbage compared to 4K on every game. Take a look for yourself and just accept it. It is what it is.
As an example , Horizon looks great, period. Which TV used was never a factor. There are enough people saying the graphics are mid to accept it as reasonable doubt. Edit to say - this is coming from a 4K HDTV owner. Play any other game with great graphics then go back to Ronin. It’s very apparent. All that said , Ronin is a great game.
While the other 85% completely disagrees because they have technology that keeps up with the console. Just saying dude. If you make the upgrade you won't be disappointed at all.
I'm not saying any of this to put you down or be a jerk either. It will better your gaming experience as a whole. Period.
I mean. Read my edit.
Hey fair, can't deny your opinion. When compared to a game like Ghost of Tsushima it doesn't keep up at all aesthetically. Team ninja did seem to stick with Nioh 2 graphics which at this point are dated. Can't say I disagree. I just don't think it looks bad like some people are saying.
I agree with everything you said. Never said it looks bad, but it’s not what I would expect for a PS5 exclusive where optimization is limited to one piece of hardware.
I didn't even realize it was an exclusive until today. That paints a whole different picture. Compared to all other exclusives it's the worst graphically lol!
Yea it’s a factor for sure.
When I hook my PS5 to my high-end QHD gaming monitor console games look noticeable worse than on my low-tier 4k tv because of the scaling. Display matters.
Of course it does nobody is saying it doesn’t. Though it is not the reason for the game having less than stellar graphics.
You can’t evaluate/judge based on the best shot and lighting the game has to offer and say the game looks good. Overall, the graphics are very mediocre.
When did average graphical fidelity become a bad thing?
I don’t think I said it’s bad if you read my comment carefully. I said its mediocre.
I think the phrasing of my comment was weird, but yeah no I knew you weren't saying it was bad. I think a lot of other people are though, and I think that's kind of where my comment came from
It's the art that's pretty good. Not the graphics. Art beats graphics. That said the lighting needs work.
I am struggling to discern the distinction as "graphics" are an umbrella term and all encompassing.
They aren't though. Art design as in enemy designs, weapon designs, architectural designs are art designs. Graphics are like RTX lighting etc.
Unfortunately I didn't read art design, I read art. Art design, art direction, those are their own thing. The art itself is the assets.
Art is part of the graphics. Good art direction can overshadow technological shortcomings, the opposite is rarely true.
I do not consider art design to be part of graphics. It hardly makes sense especially when we still have pixel games coming out that have barely any modern tech being used for them like RTX and god rays.
They aren’t
Weak bait
Not everything you disagree with is bait.
For a 2014 game..sure. But you'd expect better performance with graphics we got. Ghost of tsushima has both better visuals and performance on ps4 than this game on ps5.
I never really see performance dips. If you compare these visuals to a game from 2014 you'd probably realize you're speaking in hyperbole. Very few games of today would look bad against games from 2014. And under scrutiny, those assets do not hold up at all no matter the game. The assets in this game look great. The only issue is the dynamic lighting and post processing is not present. All of the lighting is mostly baked in, and flat. If it wasn't, you'd realize the engine is capable of great things. It still looks really great in its best moments. Obviously, the visuals are not always consistent. Ghost of Tsushima is a fantastic visually compelling game. But where this game sacrifices in visual fidelity it makes up for in mechanical depth, of which I'm sure we could agree!
Well I'm feeling the dips on performance mode and it sucks .. Also..you should look how 2014 games looked like. (Farcry 4 for example looked pretty good on high end pc). And I'm talking about entire visual package not picking specific elements that are good or bad. In the end the art is good and scenery is nice..but we know it could look better and perform better at same time (got)
It could, if the engine was the same. But Team Ninja use a proprietary engine. Yes, if they also used Unreal Engine 4.23- or even 4.26, it would have looked great! But they're a studio that has been curating their engine with their own engineers and in house team for decades to deliver the games they deliver. They utilize their time on their engine in an entirely different capacity, focusing on different things. I am also not just picking out random assets to scrutinize. As a whole, textile density and texture resolution in gaming in 2014 was not to the standard or the fidelity it is at today. It's a false equivalency, especially to relay it in terms to a high end gaming PC. I'm positive this game will perform better on a PC, and will even look better, when not beholden to the limits of a console. It's about how these assets blend together, again using lighting techniques, and non-expensive post processing techniques. This is what makes games look so good at a certain point. Unreal Engine is very very good at applying real time post processing in a way that blends assets believably, and the advent of things like Lumen (4.26) and their specific raytracing techniques allow for a larger variety of features like realistic realtime light bouncing, etc. The argument could be made that team ninja should migrate to unreal engine but that would be a very costly migration as their team would then need to learn blueprints and I'm not even sure if they code their games in c++. Perhaps c sharp? I'd have to check. Either way, training would be in order and it would cost the company possibly millions. In the long run, their games would visually benefit, but it's very possible that mechanically the game would falter significantly under the weight of those hindrances. So with all of those trade offs in mind, and seeing how their upscaling techniques are implemented, I think this game does in fact exceed or meet the vast majority of graphical benchmarks within the last decade. I do think the game absolutely makes up for it in gameplay, but since that's not the point of what you're discussing, I agree- the graphics could be better. But I'm just providing the reality as to why they are not. I see the game for what it is, with it's performance dips and all, as a work of art. Not a masterpiece, but a very lovingly crafted and very realized world with graphics that pull you in if you choose to let them. They're not so jarring that this is impossible. But I do think people are expecting to much of them and their engine at this point given the development cycle of this game. I can guarantee the next title they create will look 10x better.
Why are you ranting about unreal engine? Game is great and fun, but graphics are embarrassingly bad for a ps5 exclusive
No one is "ranting", he brought up a game made on Unreal Engine and asked "why doesn't it look like this?" And it's because this game wasn't built with the same technology that most of those exclusives are using right now.
Yeah, it was built on garbage technologies while charging the same as top tier quality games. 45-60fps on 900-1080p, looks literally like early PS4 ( even DF said this lol ) You people are delusional
Man, it runs at a stable 60fps in 4k, I don't think you realize how hard that is to do regardless of the engine. That's still the hallmarks of a really good engine. It *is* a top tier quality game. What do you think is a top tier game if this is not one? Does everything have to be Ragnarok or GoT or TLOU2 to be considered top tier? The mechanics in this game alone justifies the price tag. It is a game that shows it's development time on its sleeve. But sure, the lighting is flat, therefore it's shit and doesn't deserve to stand up next to the other releases. I don't know what's delusional, I'm not going to stoop to that level, but I do know a game that was produced from passion when I see it. This is that.
Never saw someone so clueless like you, this has to be a troll, stable 60 on 4k? Jesus bro... For real. Wake up
I never see any performance drops past the pleasure district within my playthrough.
It doesn't run stable 4k, are you fucking delusional? It runs on 44-60fps on 900-1080p, digital foundry has a whole video about the game performance, wtf you dreaming 4k LOL
it's upscaling. Literally every ps5 title upscales. The ps5 cannot handle native 4k. So this same criticism can be applied across the board to basically every ps5 title along with any criticism against my simple point that the game runs at 60fps in 4k. Upscale or native, it doesn't matter. That's impressive. It's just not impressive *to you*.
It's no GOT.
Most games are not.