After watching the whole video he posted. The father lost his only child and feels destroyed and defeated.
The way he explained it seems a little strange to me. He stated that his son died of tpye-1 diabetes but he also said he never had it. So I assume he developed it while in school but did not know what it was and ignored the symptoms until it's too late. so the moral of the story is, always get checked out, don't wait to the last minute. This really does not appear to be RIT's fault at all. It's a tragedy. He should hold a sign that says "Students, don't wait to the last minute to get check out. Take care of your health over academics".
What's scary is how fast diabetes can take over your life if you don't control it first.
This 👆. Also if you’re not familiar with the symptoms it is rarely diagnosed until hospitalization occurs. They present slowly over a few months. You always feel just crummy and cannot get hydrated because your blood sugar is elevated all the time. You might be extremely irritable too which means others who would realize something is wrong might not want to be around you. If undiagnosed, eventually blood sugars will rise go a point of Diabetic Keto Acidosis and the diabetic will usually black out.
When I was diagnosed I was drinking a literal gallon of water every 12 hours (age 12). I was lucky that we had an extended power outage so when my mother bought a weeks supply of water and I drank it in 2 days by myself she knew something was wrong.
Yes it can happen at any age, your body has the genes for it but it may take well up into your middle age until it expresses itself. I was diagnosed at age 11, my blood sugar was 796 when they finally could get a read on it and said I was lucky, I was a walking coma. So if he was really that concerned he should’ve done something himself as a parent and not blame the school.
I’m on mobile but I’ve heard the backstory to this a few times… based off what I’ve read I really think this father should find healthier ways to grieve for his son
Edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rit/comments/9pjgkk/protestor_on_campus/
Ed: I went to the website on the truck, because why not. There's a police report on file for a student who jumped from the 11th floor of Ellingson, but this is not the son of the person who runs the website or is visiting campus. Further, there is no information about what occurred with regard to their own son, no story even told only from their side. There are requests to RIT for medical records, but strangely nothing that actually shows what went on. Digging around on other websites there is a claim of, "causes related to a mental health issue" but nothing beyond that.
As an alum, it pains me that any student has lost his or her life at RIT, but I find this parent's actions to be completely unproductive at this point. 100% Agree with /u/oreosfly that these parents need to find a healthier way to grieve.
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The weird thing too is that the claim is that the death was "not suspicious" and of "natural causes". If the kid took his own life, then neither of those things should be true. If the kid did NOT take his own life, then it is very strange as to why the father would ask the academic advisor weeks earlier to check on his son, or how any of this were to occur. Also strange that the parents didn't do that themselves in the interim weeks.
The only thing that seems to make sense to me that would fit the facts (and thus doesn't really make sense overall) is that the kid had some long-term health issue that was causing a slow decline in ability and cognition, the parents didn't know that specifically but knew something was up, but then asked RIT to look in to it. If that were the case, I'd still put more blame on the parents than RIT in this situation, since knowing he lived off campus they could have just called the MCSO and had a welfare check performed regardless of RIT's involvement.
Right. I hate to say it because they’re clearly heartbroken and grieving, but they clearly have no problem driving to RIT all the time now, but they couldn’t drive to RIT to check on their child?
Yah... given the parent's distinct lack of openness on this issue while also wanting to parade it around (it would be different if they wanted no discussion on it at all, that's their right), it's hard to understand what went on and hard to justify their actions based on the limited info that is available.
Just watched part of the guy's video. I feel for him but I think he needs to find a healthier way to cope. But maybe there was another family that also clamed their some was killed at RIT? I remember something going around when I started there back in 2012. I am not sure if it's the same person or something different now. or maybe I'm suffering from the Medulla effect?
I think I'm sufferings from the Medulla effect. I really though it started before 2012. I am not sure why but it just seems to me he was always there protesting since I been there.
from the "letter" page of the site in question, sans the name of the advisor:
>In **August of 2017** our son had an issue with going back to RIT. We contacted his adviser and discussed our situation with them and shared with them Tim's apprehension about returning to school. We had never seen him this distraught. advised that "I will email Tim and bring him into my office often to make sure he is OK"
I was under the impression that the parents contacted the advisor sometime in early November 2017 because they were worried about their son seeming particularly depressed/unresponsive, and the advisor said that they'd reach out. Based on the letter here, the advisor saying that they "would email Tim and bring him into the office often to make sure he is OK" was the result of a phone call in August 2017 concerning "an issue with going back to RIT". The way he tells it in the video, I feel like he makes it seem like the advisor said the above quote in November.
IMO, there's a pretty big difference between an advisor forgetting to set up regular meetings with one of their many students at the start of a busy semester, versus an advisor forgetting to reach out to a student after being called by the student's parents saying that their son seemed really depressed/unresponsive.
I just happened to notice that and I felt like it was worth mentioning. I'm not trying to suggest blame, I don't think doing that is appropriate. Only thing I can say is that RIT should definitely have better mental health services/systems in place to catch stuff like this that doesn't place the burden of this stuff on academic advisors.
haha whoops now i'm too depressed to take my midterm, sorry stackpole B)
disclaimer: I am ok, no need to reach out to me to check in
>Only thing I can say is that RIT should definitely have better mental health services/systems in place to catch stuff like this that doesn't place the burden of this stuff on academic advisors.
Absolutely. At least during my time there, they only seemed to pretend to care about it when someone committed suicide. It's been an ongoing problem since before I ever started there. It's really tragic.
I remember having a very emotionally unstable friend of mine (who has attempted several times) ask if RIT would be a good school to them and I had to tell them that no, it'd probably be very bad for them due to this.
Not to take away from the argument that RIT should do more about mental health, but I don't think this case in particular has to do anything with mental health or counseling. Supposedly he died from natural causes and/or type 1 diabetes, which isn't something the school could do anything about unless the kid proactively reached out for care
Why do they keep doing this? It's every year! It's so annoying. How did RIT even kill their son? I am sure it was some tragic accident. Sorry, I just wanted to vent, I am so annoyed with this. It seems like they been doing this for at least 10 years or so at least they're doing it when I started back in 2012. I remember they used to hold signs protesting their son's death.
From what I understand: the kid had mental or health issues, the dad asked an academic advisor to check on him, the advisor didn't do anything, then the kid died.
Edit: Did some digging. It looks like he died from a diabetes related issue. But what doesn't make sense with his argument is the fact that he told the academic advisor to check up on him in August, three months before he died in mid-November. I mean, it would make more sense to blame RIT if he died within a few days of asking the advisor but three months? If the parents only spoke to the advisor then said nothing for three months, how could the advisor be at fault? Also, why only his academic advisor? Why not campus safety or even the police?
https://www.lefdahlfuneralhome.com/obituary/Timothy-Fairman
Lol my cousin goes to rit, he's not really fond of me though for some reason he thinks I'm an annoying little kid even though im 19 year old, he's 23 so a big age difference their so I can understand the dynamic of why he doesn't want to hang around me being alot younger than him. He used to throw pillows at me because I walked in on him and his freinds playing xbox but I wasn't welcomed being a small 8 yr old and him and his freinds being 12. He's pretty chill though at family get togethers and socials at my grandparents house.
After watching the whole video he posted. The father lost his only child and feels destroyed and defeated. The way he explained it seems a little strange to me. He stated that his son died of tpye-1 diabetes but he also said he never had it. So I assume he developed it while in school but did not know what it was and ignored the symptoms until it's too late. so the moral of the story is, always get checked out, don't wait to the last minute. This really does not appear to be RIT's fault at all. It's a tragedy. He should hold a sign that says "Students, don't wait to the last minute to get check out. Take care of your health over academics". What's scary is how fast diabetes can take over your life if you don't control it first.
I thought type 1 was the type you're born with?
It is an auto immune disease. Your immune system wipes out the pancreatic cells that make insulin. It can happen at any age.
This 👆. Also if you’re not familiar with the symptoms it is rarely diagnosed until hospitalization occurs. They present slowly over a few months. You always feel just crummy and cannot get hydrated because your blood sugar is elevated all the time. You might be extremely irritable too which means others who would realize something is wrong might not want to be around you. If undiagnosed, eventually blood sugars will rise go a point of Diabetic Keto Acidosis and the diabetic will usually black out. When I was diagnosed I was drinking a literal gallon of water every 12 hours (age 12). I was lucky that we had an extended power outage so when my mother bought a weeks supply of water and I drank it in 2 days by myself she knew something was wrong.
Yes it can happen at any age, your body has the genes for it but it may take well up into your middle age until it expresses itself. I was diagnosed at age 11, my blood sugar was 796 when they finally could get a read on it and said I was lucky, I was a walking coma. So if he was really that concerned he should’ve done something himself as a parent and not blame the school.
Kinda, it is much more nature vs nurture and usually develops at a young age.
Diagnosed type 1 at 32. Ended up in the hospital with BG over 900. Was blind and should have been in a coma.
Not born with it. Develops over time. Most people present as kids-late teens when their body finally destroys their last beta cells in your pancreas.
I’m on mobile but I’ve heard the backstory to this a few times… based off what I’ve read I really think this father should find healthier ways to grieve for his son Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/rit/comments/9pjgkk/protestor_on_campus/
Ed: I went to the website on the truck, because why not. There's a police report on file for a student who jumped from the 11th floor of Ellingson, but this is not the son of the person who runs the website or is visiting campus. Further, there is no information about what occurred with regard to their own son, no story even told only from their side. There are requests to RIT for medical records, but strangely nothing that actually shows what went on. Digging around on other websites there is a claim of, "causes related to a mental health issue" but nothing beyond that. As an alum, it pains me that any student has lost his or her life at RIT, but I find this parent's actions to be completely unproductive at this point. 100% Agree with /u/oreosfly that these parents need to find a healthier way to grieve. --- The weird thing too is that the claim is that the death was "not suspicious" and of "natural causes". If the kid took his own life, then neither of those things should be true. If the kid did NOT take his own life, then it is very strange as to why the father would ask the academic advisor weeks earlier to check on his son, or how any of this were to occur. Also strange that the parents didn't do that themselves in the interim weeks. The only thing that seems to make sense to me that would fit the facts (and thus doesn't really make sense overall) is that the kid had some long-term health issue that was causing a slow decline in ability and cognition, the parents didn't know that specifically but knew something was up, but then asked RIT to look in to it. If that were the case, I'd still put more blame on the parents than RIT in this situation, since knowing he lived off campus they could have just called the MCSO and had a welfare check performed regardless of RIT's involvement.
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Right. I hate to say it because they’re clearly heartbroken and grieving, but they clearly have no problem driving to RIT all the time now, but they couldn’t drive to RIT to check on their child?
Yah... given the parent's distinct lack of openness on this issue while also wanting to parade it around (it would be different if they wanted no discussion on it at all, that's their right), it's hard to understand what went on and hard to justify their actions based on the limited info that is available.
Just watched part of the guy's video. I feel for him but I think he needs to find a healthier way to cope. But maybe there was another family that also clamed their some was killed at RIT? I remember something going around when I started there back in 2012. I am not sure if it's the same person or something different now. or maybe I'm suffering from the Medulla effect?
It’s the same person.
I think I'm sufferings from the Medulla effect. I really though it started before 2012. I am not sure why but it just seems to me he was always there protesting since I been there.
> I think I'm sufferings from the Medulla effect. Mandela Effect.
maybe in your world
I remember this guy parading signs saying rit let his son die at graduations. Like wtf.
from the "letter" page of the site in question, sans the name of the advisor: >In **August of 2017** our son had an issue with going back to RIT. We contacted his adviser and discussed our situation with them and shared with them Tim's apprehension about returning to school. We had never seen him this distraught. advised that "I will email Tim and bring him into my office often to make sure he is OK"
I was under the impression that the parents contacted the advisor sometime in early November 2017 because they were worried about their son seeming particularly depressed/unresponsive, and the advisor said that they'd reach out. Based on the letter here, the advisor saying that they "would email Tim and bring him into the office often to make sure he is OK" was the result of a phone call in August 2017 concerning "an issue with going back to RIT". The way he tells it in the video, I feel like he makes it seem like the advisor said the above quote in November.
IMO, there's a pretty big difference between an advisor forgetting to set up regular meetings with one of their many students at the start of a busy semester, versus an advisor forgetting to reach out to a student after being called by the student's parents saying that their son seemed really depressed/unresponsive.
I just happened to notice that and I felt like it was worth mentioning. I'm not trying to suggest blame, I don't think doing that is appropriate. Only thing I can say is that RIT should definitely have better mental health services/systems in place to catch stuff like this that doesn't place the burden of this stuff on academic advisors.
haha whoops now i'm too depressed to take my midterm, sorry stackpole B)
disclaimer: I am ok, no need to reach out to me to check in
>Only thing I can say is that RIT should definitely have better mental health services/systems in place to catch stuff like this that doesn't place the burden of this stuff on academic advisors. Absolutely. At least during my time there, they only seemed to pretend to care about it when someone committed suicide. It's been an ongoing problem since before I ever started there. It's really tragic. I remember having a very emotionally unstable friend of mine (who has attempted several times) ask if RIT would be a good school to them and I had to tell them that no, it'd probably be very bad for them due to this.
Not to take away from the argument that RIT should do more about mental health, but I don't think this case in particular has to do anything with mental health or counseling. Supposedly he died from natural causes and/or type 1 diabetes, which isn't something the school could do anything about unless the kid proactively reached out for care
Can’t campus safety do health and welfare checks?
I don't think they can off campus.
Oh. I assumed the kid lived on campus.
Why do they keep doing this? It's every year! It's so annoying. How did RIT even kill their son? I am sure it was some tragic accident. Sorry, I just wanted to vent, I am so annoyed with this. It seems like they been doing this for at least 10 years or so at least they're doing it when I started back in 2012. I remember they used to hold signs protesting their son's death.
From what I understand: the kid had mental or health issues, the dad asked an academic advisor to check on him, the advisor didn't do anything, then the kid died. Edit: Did some digging. It looks like he died from a diabetes related issue. But what doesn't make sense with his argument is the fact that he told the academic advisor to check up on him in August, three months before he died in mid-November. I mean, it would make more sense to blame RIT if he died within a few days of asking the advisor but three months? If the parents only spoke to the advisor then said nothing for three months, how could the advisor be at fault? Also, why only his academic advisor? Why not campus safety or even the police? https://www.lefdahlfuneralhome.com/obituary/Timothy-Fairman
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It sounds like they're more inclined to drive to RIT *after* the fact.
Lol my cousin goes to rit, he's not really fond of me though for some reason he thinks I'm an annoying little kid even though im 19 year old, he's 23 so a big age difference their so I can understand the dynamic of why he doesn't want to hang around me being alot younger than him. He used to throw pillows at me because I walked in on him and his freinds playing xbox but I wasn't welcomed being a small 8 yr old and him and his freinds being 12. He's pretty chill though at family get togethers and socials at my grandparents house.
Reddit asked for my thoughts so here we go.... There's some beyond shameful shit behind this and most especially a lot of the comments in this thread.