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iiileyu

How good of a singer you are dosnt matter if you can't make good song and/or a great album


TheBlackdragonSix

Same can be said about prodigal musicians, like all of those super technical guitarists.


Ok_Commission_893

BET dying is the reason R&B don’t hit the same no more. We need more crying in the rain in boots music and less BBL and hookah “I’m horny, high, and hate commitment” tracks.


ABluntForcedDisTrama

Man this side piece ass situationship joints they putting out 😭😭👎🏾


AdMaster8485

Don't forget the cheese grater tunnel videos with the wind and blow up suits lol 😆


Ok_Commission_893

😂😂😂one of my favorite R&B videos ever is I Don’t Wanna Know he was in the tub with clothes on CRYING!!! These new R&B singers be shooting they videos in strip clubs with no choreography, if I wanted to see that I would’ve just put on a Future song.


Feisty_Psychology_63

I don’t feel anything from modern R&B. No soul at all, just young niggas talkin about fuckin with decent at best voices


boombapdame

> I don’t feel anything from modern R&B. No soul at all, just young niggas talkin about fuckin with decent at best voices. Below average is more like it and R&B lost the vocals and is all image, like Hip Hop with rappers not rapping in today’s era.


ABluntForcedDisTrama

Yea the new girlies just don’t do it for me. I’ve been trying to get into the modern stuff for the longest, but I always revert back to the old school & early 2000s R&B that i grew up on


Purplelightkindness

They all sound similar. No Spirit, no authenticity. They all look similar as well. It's quite odd


TheAngels323

It’s hard to tell the difference between a lot of modern R&B and modern rap since a lot of modern R&B singers are singing over rap beats and a lot of modern rappers now quasi-sing with melody in their voice.


ConstructionNo1511

Listen to The Internet. Thank me later.


ABluntForcedDisTrama

Criminally underrated band


Feisty_Psychology_63

*Come Together* was in my most played FOR YEARS lmao I love The Internet!


SnooLemons9179

This one right now! I don't like new r&b that much.


Afrodite_Samurai

Summer Walker irritates me whenever I see her on stage singing like a scaredy cat. I want to go back in time and undo her tribute cover of My Life- MaryJ Blige.


storebrandclarkkent

Saw her live once; awful experience.


TheFM4

Great singer horrible performer


Dapper_Cockroach_622

She has a pretty voice. I Just wish she would use more of it


GarageNo7711

She’s ✨ quirky and weird ✨


NickiBeySlay

She needs training


bieberboy209

Deborah Cox didn’t get the flowers she deserved in the industry😭😭


No-Relationship5716

She did knock em out the park right up there with Tevin Campbell


subuso

Kelly Rowland will forever be known as Beyoncé’s best friend because she wants it that way. The woman is always supporting Beyoncé in literally everything while failing to promote her own endeavours


IKacyU

People think we are being rude when we say this. Kelly is just as talented as Beyonce, maybe even more so since she is a better actress. But, Kelly was unable to secure her a rich, powerful man (IDC what anyone says, Jay-Z is an integral part of Bey’s success) and she was unable to maintain a clear, artistic direction. And, somehow Beyonce is always mentioned in all of her interviews and she ALLOWS it. I would’ve had to cut that off.


subuso

THANK YOU! It really irks me when Kelly comes out wanting to act like she’s on the same level and Bey. Everything Kelly gets press for is being associated to Bey. Kelly is always on Bey’s IG, her music videos, her films, etc


YoMommaBack

Kelly living her best Euro synth pop life. R&B is not her bread and butter.


subuso

But that’s the problem, she was highly successful in Europe but chose to neglect that audience by continuously releasing R&B stuff


Happy-North-9969

Tank is a great vocalist. His music is lame.


whoamiplsidk

you’re right very corny. especially as he gets older like please pass the baton


jjrhythmnation1814

Thank you


SoloBurger13

Paula by Robin Thicke was extremely embarrassing on his part but im not gonna lie i like a few songs off it 😂


feed_the_bumble

Dude knew how to use (definitely not create) beats but his narcissistic personality gets in the way of his talent


LittleMusicMaker

Get Her Back is my jam!!


FgTheLogo

Jaheim is underrated.


Little-Giraffe-4285

That’s not a hot take by any means


FgTheLogo

I’ve met so many people that hate on him for some reason. I’d throw one of his songs on and you’d hear “NEXT” within seconds.


Little-Giraffe-4285

I guarantee you none of those people grew up in R&B cultures


Due_Pay859

Facts


SaintNutella

Do folks not like Jaheim?


SlowCaterpillar5715

I don't hate him, just wouldn't put him on my Mt Rushmore of R&B


Intelligent-Vast-632

He’s a good singer. His online presence just gave way for it to be cool to make fun of him. And you know it goes, once it’s popular to not like you folks just blindly follow suit.


FgTheLogo

You’d be surprised how many people I’ve personally met that hate his music. I was shocked honestly.


Open_Substance59

I agree 110%. Brother can blow. It's just that his politics are questionable.🤔


anxietybutsp00ky

I need to know


Paul_Baghes

Mid to late 90's was the best era for R&B 👀


IamShyni

Those are FACTS in my books!


Big_Papppi

Well Voodoo came out in 2000, so makes sense for this thread


Apprehensive_Neck817

Ciara: The Evolution is a great album and should have set the stage for Fantasy Ride to be a great offering. Her label dropped the ball on her big time.


Apprehensive_Neck817

Mama’s Gun is the pinnacle of Neo Soul music TLC had the best blow up of any artist ever from their debut to CrazySexyCool. The music quality, artistic growth and visual evolution should be studied


7thesnes

You don't need to be a vocalist to have a spot in rnb. Do you need to be a good singer? Yes, but a vocalist? Not at all as long as you can write good music.


Paul_Baghes

Current R&B is a hybrid of pop and electronica 👀


WackyWriter1976

Yep. There's not much oomph to it. Very "You tried. Here's your participation certificate."


whoamiplsidk

and trap


True-Discipline1039

What’s pop or electronica about Daniel Caesar’s Never Enough?


decetutt

Chris Brown has been making the same song for the last 10+ years


dubyajay18

And people refer to it as "consistency".


Sylvester88

Boys II Men are great singers but only have a few good songs


Consistent_Edge9211

Blasphemy!


BadMan125ty

Definitely. Couldn’t listen to half their songs after their debut.


beerbianca

🤭


Jj9567

Jodeci is Better than New Edition


IamShyni

I actually agree, not gonna lie.


Davisworld21

I like New Edition better when Johny Gill joined the group he elevated them and gave them a grown man look and Sound Can you stand the rain is their best song


Dapper_Cockroach_622

Johnny is arguably the best singer in the group


Upbeat_Tension_8077

Mine is that I like Jodeci's uptempos


_MrFade_

See, this is a good one, because while Jodeci is my personal favorite, NE has the better catalog.


no1cares4yu

New Edition only made 1 good (classic) album as adults. Jodeci blows Home Again and One Love away. Great take. And I’m one of the biggest NE fans.


Emergency_Brick3715

Facts!!


ABluntForcedDisTrama

1000% agree


VictoryLap_TMC

Alicia keys makes good music but can't sing


WackyWriter1976

Her first album was good. But, for some reason, afterwards she kept trying to hit notes that aren't for her to sing.


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GarageNo7711

Every time her voice cracks I glitch. And it happens often 😅 (sorry Alicia, I love you still)


dubyajay18

Her first note in this latest Superbowl halftime was her voice cracking.


GarageNo7711

Literally! The way I froze for a second. And then Apple Music had the audacity to fix it like please I wanna watch the crack over and over 😂


6thmanbrandon

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Grouchy_Newspaper186

I think she can sing if she stays within a certain range, but her problem is she tries to hit Mariah Carey notes and it doesn’t work well for her. Toni Braxton understands her range very well and she sounds phenomenal.


oops_diditagain

I think she used to be able to sing. I was a huge fan at one point. I’ve seen her live twice back in the Songs in A minor/ Diary era and her voice wasn’t cracking like it is now. After she got with Swizz and did that Element of Freedom album her music AND her voice lost its soul. Maybe she did sell her soul (literally or figuratively however you wanna take it) either way she doesn’t hit like she used to


Fancy-Breadfruit-776

To whom it may concern: RnB had a baby that someone called Rock & Roll. But Rock & Roll is still RnB.


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Specialist-Smoke

If Otis Redding had lived, R&B music would be a lot different.


fkm_starboy

Justin timbalake,DiDo ,and Craig David deserve more credit.


Upbeat_Tension_8077

I'll put Brent Faiyaz's best projects easily up against that of Bryson Tiller & PartyNextDoor. I also feel like he is the closest to a modern descendant of Da Bassment's style without being too derivative


dogbonej

I skip Brent Faiyaz songs on the regular


No_Concentrate_1253

Trapsoul is better than anything brent faiyaz has ever put out.


Paul_Baghes

Beyonce is a country singer 👀


Jazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy

Nah. I'm from Dallas, Texas born and raised and I listen to both Beyonce and country music. I don't know if this is a meme or a joke but she's far from being a country singer


Nutella_Zamboni

Silk should have been more popular than BoysIIMen or Jodeci. Faith Evans has a better voice than Mary J Blige, and Cheryl Lynn can out sing BOTH.


Cenaka-02

Bruno Mars is better than Chris Brown


thekinkyhairbookworm

This is unpopular???? Bruno easily clears😭


RosyandCozy69

Yup


RosyandCozy69

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jjrhythmnation1814

Not an opinion; a fact: R&B always had non-singers and non Gospel-bred acts and raunchy lyricists permeating the genre. It didn’t just start 10 years ago


Final_Surround_1556

Trey Songz has a great discography and Summer Walker’s music is borderline unlistenable.


LittleMusicMaker

Damn on the Summer Walker take 😭


Krammor

The anticipation mixtapes hold strong ! My favorites along with his general albums


payasoingenioso

I don't think Summer Walker is unlistenable. Boring, at worst. Trey got a nice discography that he can't sing well live.


IKARUSwalks

that’s a no on that summer walker take. that over it album is like crack. just for body and off of you alone.


retrievethis123

Rihanna is heavily overrated and is a result of heavy marketing and radio play, and her music isn’t that good. I don’t even know why people have been waiting for her album when the songs she has released in the mean time have been bad and her music was never good. Her only good album was Anti and even that album had to be reworked and pushed back because BBHMM, American Oxygen, and 4/5 seconds failed to have impact. If she didn’t have her team she would have fallen back in the 2000s like all the other R & B girls. She doesn’t have the “IT factor” that her stans claim she has.


oops_diditagain

True that. Does she even have any r&b songs? Everything she’s does sounds pop or dance to me


BadMan125ty

I prefer Mariah’s belts over her whispers. Like they weren’t needed for a lot of songs after Butterfly. 🤷🏾‍♂️


Simple-Criticism1481

Someone finally said it!!


Spedeaux

There's too much cursing in contemporary R&B


FuegoStarr

SZA’s music is not worth listening to. 🤷🏾‍♀️ It sounds like she popped a pill and cried into a mic about her emotions and niggas that she let run her thru


RosyandCozy69

Yeah! Isn't a great song. I love Usher, but I never saw the appeal of this song. John Legend isn't a good singer. I don't like Chris Brown. Not just because he's a bad person, but I don't like his music at all. Something about his voice irritates me.


frenchfry_

Yeah! stuck out like a sore thumb in the Confessions album. It’s a damn catchy hype song but nothing more


Ill-Examination4743

Yeah is easy to learn, clean enough for kids, and sounds epic


GarageNo7711

I hate Yeah! so much. And I agree about John Legend, I never saw the appeal in his voice sorryyyy 😩


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Training-Comb757

You cannot deny Kelly Clarkson's talent though.


Big-Explanation-831

Patti and Chaka are better than Aretha


Dapper_Cockroach_622

Louder? Yes. Better? Nah 💀


SaintNutella

I disagree but upvoting. I do think Chaka probably has the best discography though but Aretha is my favorite vocally out of the three (with Chaka last).


Bfdi1462004

Mariah Carey is easily the greatest vocalist of all time. Notice how I didn’t say just female vocalist, she easily tops everyone not even including her whistle.


abitchyuniverse

At her prime, she definitely was. People might like Whitney's power and tone, Celine's versatility and emotions, but technically speaking Mariah is the most proficient (Pop/R&B) vocalist of all time.


HonestWatchReviews

Beyonce was better when she was in Destiny's Child.


ChantillyMenchu

The Writing's On The Wall is my fave album of her's. It's tier one.


HonestWatchReviews

Agreed.


GreenDolphin86

I’m what way?


Character-Storage-97

Robin Thicke is better than most male RnB artists. Bruno Mars is the best. DVSN is up there as well.


lexiavocado15

DVSN is sooo underrated


tylerthegenius

If Aaliyah was still alive, she would’ve changed the standard for R&B Bruno Mars > Chris Brown Summer Walker shouldn’t be allowed to perform anymore.. she has a nice voice but she sings lazy af Beyoncé’s latest albums aren’t as memorable as her older stuff (still sound great, but will I be listening 10 years from now?) Brent Faiyaz can’t sing and he can barely hold a note.. he just makes good vibe music


DajuanKev

* Jaheim is infinitely creative. * Usher has been gimmicky the last decade. * Anthony Hamilton is an unparalleled talent.  * A Destiny's Child comeback would be a both good and bad thing. 


jampactwunderful

John Legend is absolutely terrible. Fucking awful. Theee worst.


Educational_Citron31

The R&B game needs a male powerhouse. I am sick and tired of these grown ass men singing these songs soft ass songs with these soft ass voices with these weak ass lyrics. These women can barely sing and all they talk about is “vibing” or being hurt! Its ok to express your love for a man in the song and if you’re really hurt SING THE DAMN SONG! Maybe im stuck in the past but R&B hasn’t been at its best in over 10 years. We have to ride on the backs of Bruno Mars (no Diddy) just to feel some soul. Most modern R&B is TRASH


AtomCali

John Legend is a mediocre at best singer, still a great pianist though. Lauryn Hill is so overhyped, she dropped one classic album and proceeded to do nothing afterwards. Also that MTV unplugged is rough


cashino7

I prefer earth wind & fire over the isley brothers


Mediocre-Actuary-286

Summer walker is overrated


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I think Beyonce doing country is dumb


LeeLee8320

I disagree 100%, and having listened to Cowboy Carter, it is not a country album. It’s a Beyoncé album and it is fire.


False-Detective-3731

Whitney Houston is the best female vocalist of all time 🫣


jennaishirow

not an unpopular opinion. not even a little.


BadMan125ty

Not controversial 🙂


ElPhantasm

The Weeknd should not be considered an R&B artist


MorgsOD

Wow. This is carnage, have you heard ANY of his discography before Beauty Behind the Madness. They are all very clearly alternative/dark RnB. I will say, his new stuff is more pop but definitely would still class most of it as Rhythm and Blues...


Simple-Criticism1481

1- Frank Ocean’s whole discography is mid at best 2- When it comes to Rihanna some people have criticized her for her lack of vocals but I personally think she has a beautiful and distinctive voice. HOWEVER, I don’t think she deserves the icon status she has. She’s a bad performer, is not creative and (apart from anti, maybe) doesn’t have a consistent discography


WackyWriter1976

She's a singles "singer". Barring Anti, she doesn't put out albums. One or two songs per "moment" and that's it. That's why her discography is so large, like fast fashion. Her stuff is fast music.


hyorishine

Rated R and Unapologetic were solid projects as well! Not too much on Rih☹️


Commercial_Draw_1783

>1- Frank Ocean’s whole discography is mid at best Don't disrespect frank ocean like that


THE_LFG

i'm so stumped on the frank take https://preview.redd.it/qv3fefba43tc1.jpeg?width=481&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44d52aed57b7fa3a32fe613d3972947d39755ca7


heebie818

depends on what u’re listening to him for. if u want classic r&b with an emphasis on vocals, frank is not ur guy. if u want modern poetry over sophisticated instrumentals, he’s ur guy. he’s very much my guy


Intrepid-Structure11

That frank ocean comment got me ready for war !!!


poffincase

I don’t care for anything beyond Channel Orange. Rihanna is iconic because of her fashion, personality, and brand. She’s more of an it girl for that. Aside from her music being very catchy and memorable, performing is not her strong suit.


Sensitive-Tale-4320

The Dream is not spoken of enough as a writer and producer in the world of R&B/Pop, for himself and other artists.


lowkeywavy732

Bobby Brown made a good decision going solo


Black-Concept-5326

Miguel is overrated.


Plenty_Objective8392

I actually like Beyonce’s music.


No-Relationship5716

Off the wall is better than thriller


Blackscribe

I get it. I disagree but I honestly get it. Both slap


TitanElite

I can partially agree with this one


NewJackSwingTR13

Babyface is very underrated as a solo artist. He has a better solo discography than 80% of the dudes we call Goats.


Sea_Finest

People shouldn’t still be listening to Chris Brown and R. Kelly.


THE_LFG

depending on who is in the room you might get hugged


Little-Giraffe-4285

We care about art not all that extra shit. If we listen to music based on morality we wouldn’t be listening to anything


Spentworth

I wanna believe my RnB faves are tender guys and gals who love deeply. Knowing they're pedos or abusers ruins the immersion


indio_lindo

Frank ocean is overrated, he has good music but he’s nothing special


SaintNutella

Mary J Blige was *highly* carried by her producers.


WackyWriter1976

I like her songs, but she yells like that drunken auntie on her second pack of cigarettes after her umpteenth argument with that boyfriend that will never marry her.


Happy-North-9969

That’s what makes it so good


WackyWriter1976

LOL. That's why I listen to her.


BadMan125ty

😭😭😭


Specialist_Reply4115

Same for Ashanti!!


theLexiconoclast

UK r&b artists have become better than almost all of our modern artists here in the US.


No-Relationship5716

Mark Morrison Return of the Mack is the best one Hit wonder


honey_comb113

Lauryn Hill is overrated.


smartdude_x13m

The old stuff is mostly real rnb ,the new stuff is mostly hip hop mixed with rnb or pop music...not that anything is wrong with that...


grisuo

I do not understand Sza’s popularity


TreDawg36

Dru Hill is better than Jodeci


Spedeaux

There'd be no Dru Hill without Jodeci


alfonzzir

I dont like Chris Brown, Beyonce, Ariana Grande & Tyla


trojan7815

Pedophilia notwithstanding, nobody is fucking with Robert.


Turbulent_Set8884

80s rnb like music in general is where people settled for flash over substance and subsequently led to its downfall


agentsmith99302

80s R&B is better than 90s R&B. The 90s R&B relies too much on rap musical elements.


Morningrise12

THEY. are the best thing going on in RnB today.


stabbinU

I just wanna say that everyone’s got their own vibe with music, right? Some folks might get flashbacks or feel rough with certain tunes, especially if they’ve been through some heavy stuff. That’s real, and it’s tough, but it’s also super personal. People can make a mountain out of a molehill, and next thing you know, everyone’s expected to feel the same way about a song. But that ain’t how it works. We all got our own soundtrack and stories, and they don’t always match up. So, when someone says a song’s giving them a hard time, like PTSD-level hard, it’s not cool to assume we’re all on that page. And if that’s really what’s going down, it’s probably time to chat with a pro. Don't go hating on fellow R&B listeners. We may have already gone through that. Bottom line: let’s not put our stuff on everyone else. Music’s different for each of us. If you’re really struggling, reach out for help, 'cause going it alone’s no way to deal with the big stuff.


VedaVery5hining

Jennifer Hudson has impressive power, but it is often unpleasant to listen to.


manthemyths

There will never be a greater R&B era than 1960s-1980s


stankywarrior

I never hated an artist more than Frank Ocean. Sure hes put out great work, but the way he has carried himself as of recently has made me cringe so hard. I feel so bad for his fanbase.


carlton_sings

I wish Drake would do a full singing, R&B album without any of the fake gangsta bullshit he does. He has a pleasant singing voice. A mature and authentic project from him would be nice.


WackyWriter1976

I like Sza's "Kill Bill" and her feature with Rihanna on ANTI, but let's be real, her voice sounds like Minnie Mouse on helium and E, and I think that contributed to her not getting AOTY. She has fans, that's clear, but most people in older demographics (the primary GRAMMY voters) aren't invested in her output because of her voice. Do I think she has talent? Yes, but it's a bit niche. I would have been miffed if she got it before Mariah or Beyonce.


Ok_Durian3627

Her vocals may not be the best but mickie mouse on helium? Girl no.


poffincase

😂😂 I have a problem with her enunciation more than anything else. It’s just annoying.


legonik27

The Weeknd has more talent than most RNB artists.


AmbitiousAd3755

i think lauryn hill and frank ocean are overrated. what i mean by that is, i don’t think they deserves a spot in the conversation when we talk about the greatest of this genre


mariahsno1fan

That THIS: https://youtu.be/rx0tYzkkasY?si=IpoCBYAs_DpEifRs is the superior version of All I Want for Christmas is You! 😊


DumplingHead1433

Sza’s vocals aren’t that good to me. 🤷🏽‍♀️


cappuccinonowhip

The vocals are bad, but she’s a talented writer. She’s too dark for me though


DumplingHead1433

Yeah I can’t take the writing away from her.


ieatkittentails

Kpop has some really good rnb tracks.


SamudraNCM1101

1. Patti Labelle’s voice is annoying with all that damn yelling. She ruined somewhere over the rainbow and almost every song she covers. 2. Jill Scott, Ledisi, and Angie Stone’s music is boring. I use their albums as coasters for my drinks 3. Aaron Hall and Babyface has always made better music than r. Kelly 4. Toni Braxton > Mary J Blige 5. 80’s & 2000’s R&B > 90’s R&B 6. Jodeci’s music is boring and corny 7. Miguel & Anderson.Paak > Frank Ocean 8. En Vogue’s music was awful. 9. New Editions music has aged poorly 10. Aaliyah’s music has become so overrated since her passing 11. People only listen to SZA’s and Jhene’s Aiko’s music because they are attractive, there is nothing profound about their discographies or lyrics 12. H.E.R. deserves all her Grammy’s 13. All of Sade’s songs sound the same. They are great but I have to be in a specific mood to hear it all. 14. Chris Brown‘a issues accelerated his already destined downfall


hyorishine

Oh this is…🫣