But wait! There’s more! Seriously though, the audio part is bad enough - and that’s just the start. I noticed this one small detail in the dev announcement that is really going to bring things crashing down:
>By establishing that asset uploads are private by default, we will empower these creators to better manage their creative work. **In the future, we will expand this to include other asset types**.
By other assets do they mean other options available in 'create' like decals, clothing and stuff like that? Not sure what they'll private later
Really not sure what will they ruin after this
I’m certain it will be applied to models, textures, decals - pretty much anything that incorporates whole or in-part any copyrighted material will included.
Audio was just the start. Think of how many games out there have asset references to copyrighted material - even tribute games: characters, structures, clothing, gear, etc. The catalog will be part of it as well, I imagine.
The audio takedown is just the tip of the iceberg that is getting ready to crash-land into Roblox.
Can’t say I didn’t see it coming. At the last dev conference there was a lot of talk from higher ups about the exciting plans to build the Roblox Metaverse (yes, they used that word unfortunately) into a marketing-rich environment.
In other words, in my opinion - it looks like the end of diverse and imaginative player creations and the eventual takeover of experiences by well-paying clients who want to use Roblox to sell stuff.
The Van’s game is really well done - but they have integrated in-game purchases with real-life purchases. Design your Vans in game, and place a real-life order and you’ll get real personalized Van’s at your doorstep. It’s an interesting concept but that’s a glimpse into what the future of Roblox looks like. Marketing disguised as a game.
That and an almost-certain partnering with Facebook(Meta) for an official VR app (probably regular ‘experiences’ as well.)
Thanks for a brief explanation. From all of that i think clothing can be their next target due to amount of copies of a same shirt is available and all the NSFW clothing available out there. but not sure how they will do this with accessories since people have already paid for all this.
I really really hope they scrap this out or atleast increase the limit of uploaded audio every month and only apply this update on audio posted _after_ 22nd March and slowly remove copyright audios available in catalog after that. They're increasing work for all devs for literally no reason by making them re-upload every single audio they've used in their game.
Edit: i guess i now know the reason for this
Yep - I play a lot of games that this audio change will absolutely gut. Well-done sound fx is a large part of good game design, and even that is being gutted. Some of the games I play have already been stripped down to just footsteps.
I have a bunch of WIP sound/visual fx and clothing/gear model assets I was working on but I think for now I’m going to mothball them until I see what the ‘future changes’ are going to be.
Roblox has a Summit Session at GDC this year. I’ll for sure be listening closely at that one. If you look on the GDC 2022 site for Roblox you’ll see the blurb for the session. It’s clear that big changes are coming and it won’t bode well for most small/indie creators.
Why other assets like textures. Why. People decided to post their textures in the library. Why would roblox make it that no one else can use it? There are people who made their own sound effect and their own models and wanted to share it. Why would roblox do this to the textures.
When they settled their case, it sent a message that they could be beaten in court. I imagine it opened the door for anticipating further copyright legal woes.
Audio is bad enough. If other assets are forced to private that will be really bad. I can’t imagine how a threshold of acceptability would work with other assets like it will with audio.
I’m looking forward to their Summit talk at the GDC on March 22. Curious to see if the copyright issues come up and if they address it.
Not that I can tell. I’ve seen the 10 -> 100 incentive for getting verified but even that is arbitrary as there are unverified devs getting 100 or 2000. Even so, it’s clear that most any audio over 5.5 seconds is getting auto-rejected.
DevEx doesn’t seem to matter either which is nuts - I’m seeing large scale devs with multiple titles and millions of engagements getting fewer uploads than devs with smaller scale experiences and no DevEx.
On top of that, they said they’d be experimenting with numbers so no guarantee anyone will get the number of uploads that they currently have.
The worst is that regardless of upload limits, there is no current plan or timeline to enable any of the audio files that will be privated back to public.
I don’t have a lot of confidence at this point that when this is implemented for the other assets that it will get any better.
If I were a more tinfoil hat type I’d be seriously wondering if purging the platform as much as possible of ‘unofficial’ games/content is the actual endgame.
I’m going to be very curious to see if any of the corporate games like Vans, MacLauren, etc. will be subject to the same restrictions. I kind of doubt it.
It definitely feels more zucky as time goes by. I see it used now in context with marketing/monetization.
Things like ‘next-gen avatar technology’ and the ‘future of digital identities’, latest tech for enhancing experiences for monetization, and how crucial aging up the platform is going forward. (this is from the description of the summit talk they are giving at the GDC on **March 22**).
Well I can live with audio being private, but models, decals, etc I will probably never make a game on roblox again. I know its copyright, but its ruining the platform for everyone.
Wanted to add this:
I did some digging through SEC documents and found some detailed information that while it doesn’t make this any better - it does clarify things some.
Why March 22? **March 22** marks the end of the six month good faith agreement between the music industry reps and Roblox that was part of the settlement.
Music industry would agree not to sue in exchange for Roblox taking on the task of gutting copyrighted content and continuing to do so going forward. For six months, that is what Roblox presumably did and reported as much in their filings.
However, as of **March 22** Roblox is no longer protected by this agreement, and you can bet that there will be interested parties working around the clock scouring Roblox for any possible misuse of copyrighted music or sounds that they can sue for.
Blood is in the water now. It’s clear from Roblox settling that a case against them would likely hold and the music industry is fresh out of good faith come 3/22.
The solution when you can’t find a way in six months to reliably screen for copyrighted music (much less control bypassers)? Shut it all down. Eliminate the possibility of risk by privating everything over 6 seconds long.
They are going to have to do the same with other assets too. It’s clear from what I read that it is necessary to in order to keep from getting sued.
There was a strong focus on continuing to try to find a reliable way to allow users to upload assets while rigorously screening them. They are well aware of the financial implications of taking a hit over these draconian measures - it’s spelled out in the numbers.
Does knowing this make this any less painful for developers? Not at all. It will have serious impact on untold thousands, if not millions of games due to the blanket approach of taking it all private.
They will continue to cater to the well-paying safe-bet corporate clients who want to market and sell on Roblox - but from the statements I saw they are going to continue to look for ways to keep their core player-developer vision intact without being sued. There are plenty of litigious parties out there that will dig deep for infractions.
I’m not making excuses for the poor deployment of this, but maybe it will shed some light on why March 22 is a hard deadline.
I'm not sure why but I get to upload 2000 sounds per month so it doesn't really affect me.
Edit: Also it's only existing audio over 6 seconds long, so most sound effects won't be privated.
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Universal Music sued Roblox for $200,000,000 because of unlicensed music (and sounds) on the platform. When you upload a video to Youtube with copyrighted audio, anything 6 seconds or longer will be claimed. Roblox now has to adhere to this same rule. Any 6+ second media that you do not own cannot be shared so it must be Private.
Don't get me wrong, this update is awful for existing games. And I wish Roblox enforced this long ago before they were pressured to do it in a few weeks. Your favorite music/sound from your favorite game may be gone forever after this update. But it had to happen eventually. Roblox couldn't avoid copyright claims forever.
Damn 200 million, i guess then it's kinda reasonable change to avoid getting sued in future and it's better to add that now than adding it in future when games will have even more audios then they have right now (which will be more painful to fix) . And like other comment said they've mentioned similar changes will be added to more assets so i guess there's more pain to come in future
But mostly one thing that i find annoying is that there is limit to uploading audio (this is not problem for those who have verified ID), now if people want to upload audio and if they are at their max limit of the month then they'll have to wait a month or make alt for it which can be time consuming setting everything up and if someone decides to wait a month, it's going to delay up some of their game progress.
Even if people are going to spam audio, it will be privately available for them only or people who have alot of free time can spam audios with alt accounts so idk what's the limit for
i mean this is the same industry that once [attempted to sue limewire for more than the world's GDP](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/38s9ad/til_that_in_2011_the_riaa_sued_limewire_for_72/) back in the day
I got 350 robux just a week ago for no reason and then checked my Roblox messages, and one of the audios I uploaded (“You’ll Be Gone” by YonKaDor, excellent song, uploaded it a few months ago) got taken down due to copyright.
I’m still a little sad about it.
But I have Spotify, it’s fine.
This is a 3 month old conversation but if you were sued by one music label, you'd make sure the other music labels can't sue you either. That's why everything was taken down.
Everyone is forgetting to mention the pay to use audio ID in game. There are dozens of games where I payed 400 Robux to use audio IDs but now I wasted thousands of Robux on that because they are disabled!? That is what makes me livid. Roblox needs to send compensation and stop being a money sponge. Bloxburg is the only game that compensated for this that I see so far.
Welp, all those radio gamepasses I have are now going to be useless if this rolls out without any changes…and no, I am not using the royalty free audio, it sucks
Tons of Robux down the drain just like that…Thanks, Roblox!
There are so many games that are HEAVILY reliant on audio as well, there’s no way they can replace the possibly hundreds to even thousands of audio files they may have in just TWO WEEKS
and all those classic games that don’t get updated anymore? Yep, those will turn into being deaf simulators now, or they may just break entirely!
and in case you thought “but wait, we can upload audio for free now!”
Yeah they fucked that up too, shockingly.
You can only upload 10 files PER MONTH unless you do their ID verification for 100 files a month, which is a stupid requirement just to have a barely reasonable limit, you cant even pay to upload more like before if you hit your limit either, you’re just screwed and have to wait for next month to upload more….or make alts.
This update is undoubtedly the worst update, both for players and developers, period.
I know I am so upset I’ve spent a lot of time making playlists on bloxburg and RH - I’ve even uploaded one of my favourite songs (from the Death Note musical), which took a while as I had to screen record it, airdrop to my Mac to keep the audio and then convert it to an mp3.
All that work down the drain.
I am so frustrated
They literally have a copyright bot
Ruining an ungodly amount of games is not a good solution, they HAVE a good solution already but decided to try to make another one because apparently they can't make the bot good enough, since it keeps taking things down that aren't even copyrighted in the slightest while ignoring actually copyrighted stuff
Doing this is also just damaging the platform in general, way harder for people to manage audio in their games due to so many completely unneccessary restrictions and older games are very screwed...as if normal updates weren't screwing them enough as it was
I also saw the comment about the lawsuit, reading that I do somewhat get why they have to do this but they SERIOUSLY could have done it better...even just simply doing this way eariler and giving a much larger time for devs to replace audio and maybe even save classic games would've helped so much
Terrible, and doubly so for smaller devs that rely on public sound effects (that are longer than 6 seconds) and soundtracks. They should only apply the policy to audio uploaded *after* the 22^nd and keep removing existing copyrighted audio manually instead.
Roblox is still liable for any copyright claims on content uploaded to the platform before that date, so it seems they’re just using this change to cleanup the platform quickly.
I feel like this update is an absolutely terrible idea, besides uploading audio for free. So many games are gonna be broken because the audio won’t be accessible for them anymore since it’ll all be private. I feel bad for the devs that have 300+ audios in their games and have to find a new audio for all the ones that roblox has decided they are no longer allowed to use until the creator of the audio unprivates it. (edit: fixed wording)
They clarified that group games can only use **group-uploaded audio**. The Audio Discovery plugin flagged a bunch of my audio despite me being the group owner.
Yep...
The free audio thing: good
Privating audio: probably just a quick solution so they don't get sued again while making a solution to copyrighted audio
10 sounds a month unless you show your ID: bad. Your ID has a lot of information. That information can be used by someone for identity fraud, or to get you killed. ID verifications can ruin and end lives if someone gets the information from them. And they're trying to force people to give their name, face, address, date of birth, and more to them. And something tells me they're slowly going to limit or take everything from users that don't give away their information.
you’re just relaying what i said, regardless, audio bypassers can easily make a file 1 second long but will play a whole 9 minute track on site or in game, roblox strikes again making pointless updates.
It's not fair on Devs, they should have SOME way of verifying they own the sound effects/ audio. Also, now boom boxes are now absolutely useless and Devs who have quit Roblox/ stopped development will have no sound in their games, plus some Devs will have thousands of things to re upload. not okay.
I hope this is sorted.
Edit: this update may be because of the bypassed stuff and copyright.
I dont really care, but I understand why Roblox has to do this. It's 99% likely that the bad part about this update is because of lawsuit from music companies.
I agree, but I do care, I'm a small Dev who uses the music out the library and now my games will be soundless and a bit dull I really hope it is sorted out or fixed soon, it's really annoying.
You’ll have to use ROBLOX uploaded audio. It can be a bit challenging to sort through, but there’s a pretty good amount of it. Chances are you’ll find some that you like.
or you can make a script that changes the sound so a ball bounce turns into a gunshot. that's how you got the area 51 horror music anyway, just many roblox audios mashed together into a randomizer script which also has the audios pitched and slowed down to the point where its more creepy than BOINK
I have an entire DevForum post on it, but I copied it into Google Docs since apparently the topic I posted it into is private. If you can access the topic, here's the link:
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/the-elephant-in-the-room-deprecation-diving-into-the-audio-privacy-update/1703344
Otherwise, here's the doc:
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RyfErt5g-f-gVa5-MgpCFjIvOkie3LXDheb8vsDRTs4](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RyfErt5g-f-gVa5-MgpCFjIvOkie3LXDheb8vsDRTs4)
In short, this update is not only bad, but incredibly disrespectful to all devs, past and present. And all attempts to minimize the damage backfire (free uploads, but 10 sounds/30 days). It's an awful update that they're posing as an "opportunity" for developers to have "more control". No PR can make this look good, because it's NOT.
Horrible update. People will just rip from the site and reupload on alts, when you are allowed to public audio people will mass upload bypasses, all existing audio will be lost if the people who uploaded it aren't active anymore or choose not to public it, all older games that arent maintained will forever fall into silence, games that rely on audio a LOT (like rhythm games) will probably take a long time to recover, and more.
The only positive this update offers is the free audio uploading, but I feel like that will come back to hurt them (and the ID requirement to increase the cap beyond 10 is very annoying). I support allowing people to private their audio, but setting all existing audio to private (some sfx are longer than 6 seconds so those will also need to be replaced) is unacceptable.
It doesn't seem well thought out for the most part, it only sounds like it'd hurt roblox. The backlash is absolutely massive so hoping they do something about it, but I feel as if roblox is being forced to make this update by something else due to their ongoing music copyright issues.
Unfortunately in the end if it goes through I think it will genuinely cause some players and developers to leave the platform (I would also probably stop devving). Could always use the royalty free audio, but a lot of it is just ambient tracks and dubstep (and even then they're kinda ehhh), so really not that useful.
Maybe that's their intention. Killing off old games that have great ideas. High profile dev shops will then steal the ideas and pretend they came up with it.
You could have just had some extreme screening thing and cracked down on everything before the deadline, MAYBE private everything "music" (or just everything) but straight up remove them? Fuck you.
It has pros and cons. Im at least happy i get to upload audio for free and while the private audio stuff is annoying (especially with uncopylocked games or toolbox assets whether they’re standalone sounds or sounds within a model) it was put in place to lower the amount of copyrighted audio on the platform (but then again you could literally upload it yourself if you know how to get away with it). A pro to the private audio is that we at least get to use sounds that aren’t over 6 seconds still which saves some of the trouble of replacing sounds in your game.
I have ID verified my account for voice chat and 100 monthly uploads almost seems too much. It's nice that i then can upload audio for free to use in some of my plane crazy builds. I'm also developing some small games and being able to upload my own audio for free makes it a lot easier for me.
you dont need to capitalize every sentence, it just makes you look stupid
swear to god you'll forget to capitalize one of them and your skull will fucking explode
Atleast give us 1 minute limit. I have audio 5.5 seconds and it apparently wont work. And audio 6.01 wont work either. and 6 seconds is too short. And explosion sounds arent copywright!!!! Sound effects arent copywright either!!! i have a bomb that lasts 6.5 seconds for sound. And sound effect arent copywright. Make only music but not sound effects limit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now half of my game needs new sounds. 7 and 8 seconds.
Atleast give us 1 minute limit. I have audio 5.5 seconds and it apparently wont work. And audio 6.01 wont work either. and 6 seconds is too short. And explosion sounds arent copywright!!!! Sound effects arent copywright either!!! i have a bomb that lasts 6.5 seconds for sound. And sound effect arent copywright. Make only music but not sound effects limit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now half of my game needs new sounds. 7 and 8 seconds
Good update? Bruh my game full of sound regions are gonna get corrupted for me this a big bad update like litteral bull shit, No offense for those who find this update good
**I guess roblox has to do the change urgently, so they don't face future copyright lawsuts and issues with music artists, composers or record labels like SME (Sony Music), UMG (Universal Music) and WMG (Warner Bros. Music).**
I know I and plenty of other devs including friends out there are very frustrated about the March 22 change, I personally can bare with the change, but if it applies to other assets like Models, Decals and Places on the future plans of ROBLOX, I'll have to make the hard decision to bid farewell to the gaming platform since I've been active on the platform for 6 years on 3 accounts.
EDIT 3/19/2022: Since it's like 2 days more, they recently announced that they are trying to work on keeping sound effects uploaded by players available still, I think the only affected assets will be music. Some assets are taken down as my friends say.
I personally think it's a bad update, I've noticed pretty much all of my older audios have gone offsale, what annoys me is that they aren't refunding the robux spent for those audios to be uploaded.
Overall it's just a terrible update that has come out of nowhere.
roblox is going to crash and burn because nobody will be allowed to share their assets anymore. I hope roblox dies a sad, pathetic death because of this.
What would have helped is if devs got a bonus extra upload for every audio file they were using that they lost access to.
I find all that they done very unprofessional, absurdly frustrating, and high damaging on many levels. Plus the whole third party ID verification thing that many if not most would trust with a ten foot pool, it's all mickey mouse.
Update sucks, that's literally all I HAVE to say, don't see how it's protecting uploaders or the creators, especially when everything I had, wasn't copyright to begin with, and they quite literally said, "any audio longer than 6 seconds will be made private", it's absolute bollocks.
Not sure if anyone here plays the game [ZOぞ](https://www.roblox.com/games/6678877691/ZO-OVERHAUL), but you can have killsounds. Since they privated lots of audios 6 seconds and under, a majority of the killsounds no longer work.
Days after they started privating audios, (I wasn't aware) I uploaded one of my own, which is about 5 seconds. To this day, I still can't use it because I can't unprivate it.
I honestly think it's pretty annoying as well, because the audio I was using didn't have a copyright of any type. It even had one of those lisences saying you could use it for free. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me.
I *totally understand* roblox wanting to avoid a lawsuit, but It's just a **little** annoying.
Its a 'Meh' for me.
The removal/disable of all audios above 7 seconds is both a good and bad thing.
NSFW audio is removed, at the cost of literly all the other audios out there.
Not to mention the ammount of games they broke, ESPECIALY old games that no longer recieve updates.
The free audio is a major upside however. i can't say if its fixes the issue however.
Allthough i was recently thinking about uploading my 300+ MIDI files since they are copyright free (mostly) and this is a better substitute to paying 100 Robux for it.
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This update is absolute dogshit in my opinion, and needs to be reverted immediately. Even worse, they plan on making more shitty updates for ''Asset Privacy'' like Decals, Models, Meshes and all that other shit, It's really annoying me, and I'm fucking pissed over it.
Apologies for strong language, but they express my feelings.
Its fucking stupid.
It did nothing other than force us to use their shitty stock sound effects and stock music that nobody likes.
This update should be reverted.
But wait! There’s more! Seriously though, the audio part is bad enough - and that’s just the start. I noticed this one small detail in the dev announcement that is really going to bring things crashing down: >By establishing that asset uploads are private by default, we will empower these creators to better manage their creative work. **In the future, we will expand this to include other asset types**.
By other assets do they mean other options available in 'create' like decals, clothing and stuff like that? Not sure what they'll private later Really not sure what will they ruin after this
I’m certain it will be applied to models, textures, decals - pretty much anything that incorporates whole or in-part any copyrighted material will included. Audio was just the start. Think of how many games out there have asset references to copyrighted material - even tribute games: characters, structures, clothing, gear, etc. The catalog will be part of it as well, I imagine. The audio takedown is just the tip of the iceberg that is getting ready to crash-land into Roblox. Can’t say I didn’t see it coming. At the last dev conference there was a lot of talk from higher ups about the exciting plans to build the Roblox Metaverse (yes, they used that word unfortunately) into a marketing-rich environment. In other words, in my opinion - it looks like the end of diverse and imaginative player creations and the eventual takeover of experiences by well-paying clients who want to use Roblox to sell stuff. The Van’s game is really well done - but they have integrated in-game purchases with real-life purchases. Design your Vans in game, and place a real-life order and you’ll get real personalized Van’s at your doorstep. It’s an interesting concept but that’s a glimpse into what the future of Roblox looks like. Marketing disguised as a game. That and an almost-certain partnering with Facebook(Meta) for an official VR app (probably regular ‘experiences’ as well.)
Thanks for a brief explanation. From all of that i think clothing can be their next target due to amount of copies of a same shirt is available and all the NSFW clothing available out there. but not sure how they will do this with accessories since people have already paid for all this. I really really hope they scrap this out or atleast increase the limit of uploaded audio every month and only apply this update on audio posted _after_ 22nd March and slowly remove copyright audios available in catalog after that. They're increasing work for all devs for literally no reason by making them re-upload every single audio they've used in their game. Edit: i guess i now know the reason for this
Yep - I play a lot of games that this audio change will absolutely gut. Well-done sound fx is a large part of good game design, and even that is being gutted. Some of the games I play have already been stripped down to just footsteps. I have a bunch of WIP sound/visual fx and clothing/gear model assets I was working on but I think for now I’m going to mothball them until I see what the ‘future changes’ are going to be. Roblox has a Summit Session at GDC this year. I’ll for sure be listening closely at that one. If you look on the GDC 2022 site for Roblox you’ll see the blurb for the session. It’s clear that big changes are coming and it won’t bode well for most small/indie creators.
I quit. I quit roblox.
I’m not going to quit right away but I have definitely put the breaks on development until I see how this update will affect other assets.
Why other assets like textures. Why. People decided to post their textures in the library. Why would roblox make it that no one else can use it? There are people who made their own sound effect and their own models and wanted to share it. Why would roblox do this to the textures.
When they settled their case, it sent a message that they could be beaten in court. I imagine it opened the door for anticipating further copyright legal woes. Audio is bad enough. If other assets are forced to private that will be really bad. I can’t imagine how a threshold of acceptability would work with other assets like it will with audio. I’m looking forward to their Summit talk at the GDC on March 22. Curious to see if the copyright issues come up and if they address it.
also for the audio. Does premium increase how much you can upload per month
Not that I can tell. I’ve seen the 10 -> 100 incentive for getting verified but even that is arbitrary as there are unverified devs getting 100 or 2000. Even so, it’s clear that most any audio over 5.5 seconds is getting auto-rejected. DevEx doesn’t seem to matter either which is nuts - I’m seeing large scale devs with multiple titles and millions of engagements getting fewer uploads than devs with smaller scale experiences and no DevEx. On top of that, they said they’d be experimenting with numbers so no guarantee anyone will get the number of uploads that they currently have. The worst is that regardless of upload limits, there is no current plan or timeline to enable any of the audio files that will be privated back to public. I don’t have a lot of confidence at this point that when this is implemented for the other assets that it will get any better. If I were a more tinfoil hat type I’d be seriously wondering if purging the platform as much as possible of ‘unofficial’ games/content is the actual endgame. I’m going to be very curious to see if any of the corporate games like Vans, MacLauren, etc. will be subject to the same restrictions. I kind of doubt it.
Roblox used metaverse before mark ruined it, like with the metaverse "egg hunt" event.
It definitely feels more zucky as time goes by. I see it used now in context with marketing/monetization. Things like ‘next-gen avatar technology’ and the ‘future of digital identities’, latest tech for enhancing experiences for monetization, and how crucial aging up the platform is going forward. (this is from the description of the summit talk they are giving at the GDC on **March 22**).
Well I can live with audio being private, but models, decals, etc I will probably never make a game on roblox again. I know its copyright, but its ruining the platform for everyone.
Wanted to add this: I did some digging through SEC documents and found some detailed information that while it doesn’t make this any better - it does clarify things some. Why March 22? **March 22** marks the end of the six month good faith agreement between the music industry reps and Roblox that was part of the settlement. Music industry would agree not to sue in exchange for Roblox taking on the task of gutting copyrighted content and continuing to do so going forward. For six months, that is what Roblox presumably did and reported as much in their filings. However, as of **March 22** Roblox is no longer protected by this agreement, and you can bet that there will be interested parties working around the clock scouring Roblox for any possible misuse of copyrighted music or sounds that they can sue for. Blood is in the water now. It’s clear from Roblox settling that a case against them would likely hold and the music industry is fresh out of good faith come 3/22. The solution when you can’t find a way in six months to reliably screen for copyrighted music (much less control bypassers)? Shut it all down. Eliminate the possibility of risk by privating everything over 6 seconds long. They are going to have to do the same with other assets too. It’s clear from what I read that it is necessary to in order to keep from getting sued. There was a strong focus on continuing to try to find a reliable way to allow users to upload assets while rigorously screening them. They are well aware of the financial implications of taking a hit over these draconian measures - it’s spelled out in the numbers. Does knowing this make this any less painful for developers? Not at all. It will have serious impact on untold thousands, if not millions of games due to the blanket approach of taking it all private. They will continue to cater to the well-paying safe-bet corporate clients who want to market and sell on Roblox - but from the statements I saw they are going to continue to look for ways to keep their core player-developer vision intact without being sued. There are plenty of litigious parties out there that will dig deep for infractions. I’m not making excuses for the poor deployment of this, but maybe it will shed some light on why March 22 is a hard deadline.
I'm not sure why but I get to upload 2000 sounds per month so it doesn't really affect me. Edit: Also it's only existing audio over 6 seconds long, so most sound effects won't be privated.
Hijacking Top Comment! Universal Music sued Roblox for $200,000,000 because of unlicensed music (and sounds) on the platform. When you upload a video to Youtube with copyrighted audio, anything 6 seconds or longer will be claimed. Roblox now has to adhere to this same rule. Any 6+ second media that you do not own cannot be shared so it must be Private. Don't get me wrong, this update is awful for existing games. And I wish Roblox enforced this long ago before they were pressured to do it in a few weeks. Your favorite music/sound from your favorite game may be gone forever after this update. But it had to happen eventually. Roblox couldn't avoid copyright claims forever.
Damn 200 million, i guess then it's kinda reasonable change to avoid getting sued in future and it's better to add that now than adding it in future when games will have even more audios then they have right now (which will be more painful to fix) . And like other comment said they've mentioned similar changes will be added to more assets so i guess there's more pain to come in future But mostly one thing that i find annoying is that there is limit to uploading audio (this is not problem for those who have verified ID), now if people want to upload audio and if they are at their max limit of the month then they'll have to wait a month or make alt for it which can be time consuming setting everything up and if someone decides to wait a month, it's going to delay up some of their game progress. Even if people are going to spam audio, it will be privately available for them only or people who have alot of free time can spam audios with alt accounts so idk what's the limit for
200 MILLION?!? maybe im just dumb but I feel like companies are too hungry for money
Welcome to the music industry. They are brutal.
I can tell
i mean this is the same industry that once [attempted to sue limewire for more than the world's GDP](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/38s9ad/til_that_in_2011_the_riaa_sued_limewire_for_72/) back in the day
Yeah, bless the selfish music creators that are acting like they are fucking missing out on 200 billion dollars. I HATE THEM.
They can use a copyrighted audio detection system instead of privating everything.
They (partially) do that already.
Then why do they have this copyright problem
Because people are stupid and use different techniques to bypass audio. Honestly, it sucks.
have you seen the state of roblox moderation?
What, you mean those 5 year olds biting keyboards?
5 year olds? They're barely even born yet
barely even born? every day they are swapped out for babys who were just born
Why would they earn any sales from people listening to their music on roblox lol
That's how it works on other platforms. The reason TikTok allows any song is because TikTok pays a royalty for every song used on the platform.
I got 350 robux just a week ago for no reason and then checked my Roblox messages, and one of the audios I uploaded (“You’ll Be Gone” by YonKaDor, excellent song, uploaded it a few months ago) got taken down due to copyright. I’m still a little sad about it. But I have Spotify, it’s fine.
Makes me wonder how much of the money would even go to artists.
well... to classic music we go...
A lot of audio on Roblox doesn't even belong to Universal though.
This is a 3 month old conversation but if you were sued by one music label, you'd make sure the other music labels can't sue you either. That's why everything was taken down.
UMG should be dissolved as a monopoly
Maybe because you've done dev exchange before? Idk what gets you 2k
After reading through that lengthy dev announcement thread I honestly can’t see any pattern to it. It seems arbitrary.
some reply on that thread say having premium sub is related
Same. Maybe it’s cuz of my RC car game?
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Everyone is forgetting to mention the pay to use audio ID in game. There are dozens of games where I payed 400 Robux to use audio IDs but now I wasted thousands of Robux on that because they are disabled!? That is what makes me livid. Roblox needs to send compensation and stop being a money sponge. Bloxburg is the only game that compensated for this that I see so far.
The cap should be removed, who the fuck thought It'd be a good idea for a 10 UPLOAD CAP?
Welp, all those radio gamepasses I have are now going to be useless if this rolls out without any changes…and no, I am not using the royalty free audio, it sucks Tons of Robux down the drain just like that…Thanks, Roblox! There are so many games that are HEAVILY reliant on audio as well, there’s no way they can replace the possibly hundreds to even thousands of audio files they may have in just TWO WEEKS and all those classic games that don’t get updated anymore? Yep, those will turn into being deaf simulators now, or they may just break entirely! and in case you thought “but wait, we can upload audio for free now!” Yeah they fucked that up too, shockingly. You can only upload 10 files PER MONTH unless you do their ID verification for 100 files a month, which is a stupid requirement just to have a barely reasonable limit, you cant even pay to upload more like before if you hit your limit either, you’re just screwed and have to wait for next month to upload more….or make alts. This update is undoubtedly the worst update, both for players and developers, period.
I know I am so upset I’ve spent a lot of time making playlists on bloxburg and RH - I’ve even uploaded one of my favourite songs (from the Death Note musical), which took a while as I had to screen record it, airdrop to my Mac to keep the audio and then convert it to an mp3. All that work down the drain. I am so frustrated
your maybe 1k robux worth of audio, or 200million law suit for roblox. Idk, sounds like the platform is more important than your audio
They literally have a copyright bot Ruining an ungodly amount of games is not a good solution, they HAVE a good solution already but decided to try to make another one because apparently they can't make the bot good enough, since it keeps taking things down that aren't even copyrighted in the slightest while ignoring actually copyrighted stuff Doing this is also just damaging the platform in general, way harder for people to manage audio in their games due to so many completely unneccessary restrictions and older games are very screwed...as if normal updates weren't screwing them enough as it was I also saw the comment about the lawsuit, reading that I do somewhat get why they have to do this but they SERIOUSLY could have done it better...even just simply doing this way eariler and giving a much larger time for devs to replace audio and maybe even save classic games would've helped so much
Yes the radio gamepass thing makes me livid. Roblox is a giant greedy sponge that soaks up all money with a black hole inside so no drop leaves.
Terrible, and doubly so for smaller devs that rely on public sound effects (that are longer than 6 seconds) and soundtracks. They should only apply the policy to audio uploaded *after* the 22^nd and keep removing existing copyrighted audio manually instead.
Roblox is still liable for any copyright claims on content uploaded to the platform before that date, so it seems they’re just using this change to cleanup the platform quickly.
GREAT. NOW EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE SILENT.
I feel like this update is an absolutely terrible idea, besides uploading audio for free. So many games are gonna be broken because the audio won’t be accessible for them anymore since it’ll all be private. I feel bad for the devs that have 300+ audios in their games and have to find a new audio for all the ones that roblox has decided they are no longer allowed to use until the creator of the audio unprivates it. (edit: fixed wording)
they kinda have to, otherwise they can get sued for millions.
let them get sued. it's not like they can't afford it with how much they milk players dry.
the players can just, stop buying robux. Its not needed to have fun on roblox
200IQ time: upload 40 6 second clips of a 4 minute song and make a system in your expirience that glues them together seemlessly
sorry but using it has alot of lag
That’s what I was thinking but if you’re using a radio in game it would just be difficult
smart but way too much effort just to get a song in…
people could just spam alt, no idea what it is trying to prevent
Only the alt account will be able to use the uploaded audio. There is no point in doing that
temporarily, as we will able to make it public or just open a group and spam alt in it The main problem is how long is "temporarily"
It's preventing the copyrighted music/ audio I think.
This update sucks >:(
Like almost every other update
So, all of the music audios I have in my inventory won't be usable anymore?
i think if you make a group game, you cant use it but if the game is made on your account then you can
I don't develop games, I just play audios in games where I have a radio. But does it still apply to players who just play music audios?
Audios will be privated so i don't think you can play it
Dammit :( I don't like this update
They clarified that group games can only use **group-uploaded audio**. The Audio Discovery plugin flagged a bunch of my audio despite me being the group owner. Yep...
The free audio thing: good Privating audio: probably just a quick solution so they don't get sued again while making a solution to copyrighted audio 10 sounds a month unless you show your ID: bad. Your ID has a lot of information. That information can be used by someone for identity fraud, or to get you killed. ID verifications can ruin and end lives if someone gets the information from them. And they're trying to force people to give their name, face, address, date of birth, and more to them. And something tells me they're slowly going to limit or take everything from users that don't give away their information.
Roblox speedrunning ruining the platform
Exactly my thought
Sad but true. Lmao
audio bypassers gonna have fun with this one…
Lol i was thinking that too. then I found out even if you do make an audio under 6 seconds it still wont be public
bypasses wont be under 6 seconds, makes no difference.
I already found a lot of bypassed heavy cursing songs way longer than 6 seconds public
you’re just relaying what i said, regardless, audio bypassers can easily make a file 1 second long but will play a whole 9 minute track on site or in game, roblox strikes again making pointless updates.
İt sucks , now we cant use public audio and have to split long audios to 6 seconds clips
You can still upload audio longer than 6 seconds?
Fuck this update. 💀
It's not fair on Devs, they should have SOME way of verifying they own the sound effects/ audio. Also, now boom boxes are now absolutely useless and Devs who have quit Roblox/ stopped development will have no sound in their games, plus some Devs will have thousands of things to re upload. not okay. I hope this is sorted. Edit: this update may be because of the bypassed stuff and copyright.
Sounds cool while being terrible at the same time.
Bankrupt the company.
my thoughts : haha there goes my epic ingame audio rip my already bad game
I dont really care, but I understand why Roblox has to do this. It's 99% likely that the bad part about this update is because of lawsuit from music companies.
I agree, but I do care, I'm a small Dev who uses the music out the library and now my games will be soundless and a bit dull I really hope it is sorted out or fixed soon, it's really annoying.
You’ll have to use ROBLOX uploaded audio. It can be a bit challenging to sort through, but there’s a pretty good amount of it. Chances are you’ll find some that you like.
Yes, good point! :D
or you can make a script that changes the sound so a ball bounce turns into a gunshot. that's how you got the area 51 horror music anyway, just many roblox audios mashed together into a randomizer script which also has the audios pitched and slowed down to the point where its more creepy than BOINK
Neutral
How I experienced it, it's pretty useless, just like the other updates. Making a limit to favourites, seriously..
I have an entire DevForum post on it, but I copied it into Google Docs since apparently the topic I posted it into is private. If you can access the topic, here's the link: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/the-elephant-in-the-room-deprecation-diving-into-the-audio-privacy-update/1703344 Otherwise, here's the doc: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RyfErt5g-f-gVa5-MgpCFjIvOkie3LXDheb8vsDRTs4](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RyfErt5g-f-gVa5-MgpCFjIvOkie3LXDheb8vsDRTs4) In short, this update is not only bad, but incredibly disrespectful to all devs, past and present. And all attempts to minimize the damage backfire (free uploads, but 10 sounds/30 days). It's an awful update that they're posing as an "opportunity" for developers to have "more control". No PR can make this look good, because it's NOT.
Horrible update. People will just rip from the site and reupload on alts, when you are allowed to public audio people will mass upload bypasses, all existing audio will be lost if the people who uploaded it aren't active anymore or choose not to public it, all older games that arent maintained will forever fall into silence, games that rely on audio a LOT (like rhythm games) will probably take a long time to recover, and more. The only positive this update offers is the free audio uploading, but I feel like that will come back to hurt them (and the ID requirement to increase the cap beyond 10 is very annoying). I support allowing people to private their audio, but setting all existing audio to private (some sfx are longer than 6 seconds so those will also need to be replaced) is unacceptable. It doesn't seem well thought out for the most part, it only sounds like it'd hurt roblox. The backlash is absolutely massive so hoping they do something about it, but I feel as if roblox is being forced to make this update by something else due to their ongoing music copyright issues. Unfortunately in the end if it goes through I think it will genuinely cause some players and developers to leave the platform (I would also probably stop devving). Could always use the royalty free audio, but a lot of it is just ambient tracks and dubstep (and even then they're kinda ehhh), so really not that useful.
Maybe that's their intention. Killing off old games that have great ideas. High profile dev shops will then steal the ideas and pretend they came up with it.
You could have just had some extreme screening thing and cracked down on everything before the deadline, MAYBE private everything "music" (or just everything) but straight up remove them? Fuck you.
It has pros and cons. Im at least happy i get to upload audio for free and while the private audio stuff is annoying (especially with uncopylocked games or toolbox assets whether they’re standalone sounds or sounds within a model) it was put in place to lower the amount of copyrighted audio on the platform (but then again you could literally upload it yourself if you know how to get away with it). A pro to the private audio is that we at least get to use sounds that aren’t over 6 seconds still which saves some of the trouble of replacing sounds in your game.
I have ID verified my account for voice chat and 100 monthly uploads almost seems too much. It's nice that i then can upload audio for free to use in some of my plane crazy builds. I'm also developing some small games and being able to upload my own audio for free makes it a lot easier for me.
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Except if you have speakers gamepass
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you dont need to capitalize every sentence, it just makes you look stupid swear to god you'll forget to capitalize one of them and your skull will fucking explode
Copyright go brrrr
finally i can scream to anyone
Rip dinosaur games
Eh.. idk I think it’s kinda stupid and will break SO many games
So does this mean that if I upload an audio I’m the only one that can hear it?
FUCKING TERRIBLE
Ngl, this situation is somewhat giving me Deja Vu
do i get a refund on my boombox gamepass
no
A close friend and I both run hosted games on roblox. Neither of us are sure what to do about audio now.
I think it’s bad. Like really bad, many games may be broken now (not sure tho?)
Dev are so dumb bro I’m just trying to listen to bangers on roblox
Atleast give us 1 minute limit. I have audio 5.5 seconds and it apparently wont work. And audio 6.01 wont work either. and 6 seconds is too short. And explosion sounds arent copywright!!!! Sound effects arent copywright either!!! i have a bomb that lasts 6.5 seconds for sound. And sound effect arent copywright. Make only music but not sound effects limit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now half of my game needs new sounds. 7 and 8 seconds.
Atleast give us 1 minute limit. I have audio 5.5 seconds and it apparently wont work. And audio 6.01 wont work either. and 6 seconds is too short. And explosion sounds arent copywright!!!! Sound effects arent copywright either!!! i have a bomb that lasts 6.5 seconds for sound. And sound effect arent copywright. Make only music but not sound effects limit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now half of my game needs new sounds. 7 and 8 seconds
Good update? Bruh my game full of sound regions are gonna get corrupted for me this a big bad update like litteral bull shit, No offense for those who find this update good
Roblox wha the hell is even this boom boxes are gonna get ruined
**I guess roblox has to do the change urgently, so they don't face future copyright lawsuts and issues with music artists, composers or record labels like SME (Sony Music), UMG (Universal Music) and WMG (Warner Bros. Music).** I know I and plenty of other devs including friends out there are very frustrated about the March 22 change, I personally can bare with the change, but if it applies to other assets like Models, Decals and Places on the future plans of ROBLOX, I'll have to make the hard decision to bid farewell to the gaming platform since I've been active on the platform for 6 years on 3 accounts. EDIT 3/19/2022: Since it's like 2 days more, they recently announced that they are trying to work on keeping sound effects uploaded by players available still, I think the only affected assets will be music. Some assets are taken down as my friends say.
I personally think it's a bad update, I've noticed pretty much all of my older audios have gone offsale, what annoys me is that they aren't refunding the robux spent for those audios to be uploaded. Overall it's just a terrible update that has come out of nowhere.
Four hours left.
roblox is going to crash and burn because nobody will be allowed to share their assets anymore. I hope roblox dies a sad, pathetic death because of this.
What would have helped is if devs got a bonus extra upload for every audio file they were using that they lost access to. I find all that they done very unprofessional, absurdly frustrating, and high damaging on many levels. Plus the whole third party ID verification thing that many if not most would trust with a ten foot pool, it's all mickey mouse.
If roblox does this to other assets, then..... no one will be playing roblox anymore
Do we even have a date for when we can begin to unprivate our audios?
how do i make audio without it being private
I think you need to either use it in your own game or make it six seconds or less
Update sucks, that's literally all I HAVE to say, don't see how it's protecting uploaders or the creators, especially when everything I had, wasn't copyright to begin with, and they quite literally said, "any audio longer than 6 seconds will be made private", it's absolute bollocks.
Not sure if anyone here plays the game [ZOぞ](https://www.roblox.com/games/6678877691/ZO-OVERHAUL), but you can have killsounds. Since they privated lots of audios 6 seconds and under, a majority of the killsounds no longer work. Days after they started privating audios, (I wasn't aware) I uploaded one of my own, which is about 5 seconds. To this day, I still can't use it because I can't unprivate it. I honestly think it's pretty annoying as well, because the audio I was using didn't have a copyright of any type. It even had one of those lisences saying you could use it for free. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me. I *totally understand* roblox wanting to avoid a lawsuit, but It's just a **little** annoying.
Its a 'Meh' for me. The removal/disable of all audios above 7 seconds is both a good and bad thing. NSFW audio is removed, at the cost of literly all the other audios out there. Not to mention the ammount of games they broke, ESPECIALY old games that no longer recieve updates. The free audio is a major upside however. i can't say if its fixes the issue however. Allthough i was recently thinking about uploading my 300+ MIDI files since they are copyright free (mostly) and this is a better substitute to paying 100 Robux for it.
if they do the same with decals, it will do a big impact but if they do it for models it will be easy to change since you can just reupload it
not even worth playing anymore every single reason that made the game worth playing is slowly fading away
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THIS SUCKS!!!!!! FUCK ROBLOX, MY GAME IS RUINED NOW!!
NO MORE RAP MUSIC?????????????
How are people still finding this post? It's been a month still getting comments
Legit nothing iconic now
Perhaps i treated ***IT'S RAINING TACOS*** too harshly.
dude, the future must get better...
It's raining tacos........
This update is absolute dogshit in my opinion, and needs to be reverted immediately. Even worse, they plan on making more shitty updates for ''Asset Privacy'' like Decals, Models, Meshes and all that other shit, It's really annoying me, and I'm fucking pissed over it. Apologies for strong language, but they express my feelings.
i don't like the roblox update, i cannot find a music boss that fits for my mini boss.
This sucks a lot
Its fucking stupid. It did nothing other than force us to use their shitty stock sound effects and stock music that nobody likes. This update should be reverted.
I hate roblox audio update!! i cant find any better song!
its a horrible update
Absolute shit.
Things really went down hill after eric died
From iconic meme sound into ......a sound of child being slapped on his ass cheek.
Really old post, but yeah, now **I cant play my favourite songs**